Minutes of HAP Meeting – Thursday 16 September
Present: Dave Thompson (DT) – CfL
Lucy Atkinson (LA) – Hull Training
Jade Woodfield (JW) – Hull Business Training Centre
1. Apologies Action
Luke Jackson (LJ) – North Lindsey
Matthew Mackevych (MM) - HETA
2. Minutes of last meeting
Agreed as a true record.
3. Panel Update
DT updated the panel on the latest developments with the minimum
contract values and other changes behind the senses. DT updated the
members on other mechanisms including the final meeting of the
Yorkshire and Humber Regional Learner Panel and the learner voice
accreditation. DT added JW would be able to complete this remotely.
LA stated she is looking at amending the HAP website again, in
addition JW advised that she was working on updating the HAP poster
as the HAP TxT number had been changed.
4. Promoting HAP to Providers
DT explained the main purpose of the meeting is to discuss how to
promote HAP to Apprenticeship providers and the panel need to identify
the benefits to providers.
What are the benefits to Apprenticeship providers to be involved with
Improves learner involvement strategy – helps providers improve
Recognition for Learner Achievements – as many HAP members
have achieved awards for learner involvement activities
OFSTED a keen supporter of HAP
Learners who feel involved in their learning will be more
enthusiastic and will work harder / do better
Can be involved in promotional activities and so help to recruit
new Apprentices to providers
Free Marketing to Apprentices, Employers, Family & Friends,
even government / Adds value to name of provider
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Increases pride in the learner within a provider – increases
retention, participation, progression, achievement, motivation,
self esteem confidence, debating skills for learners, group and
Assists the Apprenticeship Provider with self improvement!
Receiving feedback from learners and find out what works / what
doesn’t – but this can only work if providers encourage
apprentices to utilise the on-line forum and facebook “like” page.
Improves Apprenticeship scheme overall
Improves relationships between educators and peers
DT circulated the “Voicing Concerns” article which was published in the
NASUWT newsletter. DT explained this article was teachers voicing
concerns about learner voice. DT stated it would be HAP to utilise this
article to tease out some of the myths attached to learner voice.
1. Student voice activities should not be a means by which the
interests of specific groups of adults within the school are
HAP gives an impartial opinion with unbiased facilitation.
HAP only have the best interests of the Apprentice as a priority
Not a lobbying body / Not working for any one organisation
Learners are the only group of people who actually know the real
effect of policy changes or course changes – without their
feedback the policy makers will never know the true effect.
Involving learners gives them a start for life to be useful citizens
in the future when working
2. Policies and practices on student voice must consider
effectively the capacity of pupils to participate in particular
activities and the extent to which they can reasonably be
held to account for the results of their actions.
Again, without learner voice – how do you know the
effectiveness of change?
Stereotypes breed stereotypical people.
HAP members are trained and taught how to give a valid opinion
in an effective manner.
HAP members are enthusiastic to help.
HAP are not expecting to be the voice but instead give the
Apprentice the opportunity to give input for consideration.
3. Student voice activities and policies must be consistent
with and support work to promote equality and diversity and
tackle discrimination and prejudice
HAP aim to reach all different Apprentices regardless to ability,
occupational area, age, gender, religion etc. These are outlined
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in the HAP Members Pack
Give Apprentices a way to keep in touch and communicate and
be consulted whilst being isolated in the workplace
4. Approaches to student voice must be inclusive and give all
pupils an opportunity to participate
No one is turned away from HAP
HAP offers multiple ways Apprentices can voice their opinions,
from the physical panel, to facebook, to the virtual panel through
the HAP website, HAP TxTs and many more
5. Student voice activities must not compromise other
fundamental rights of children and young people or the
legitimate rights and responsibilities of teachers and head
Learner Involvement improves relationships between learners
If assessors aren’t developing Apprentices, misunderstanding
job roles, responsibilities within an organisation then this needs
feeding back. However it isn’t solely about Apprentices only
feeding back negatives, it’s about feedback the positives, sharing
good practices and methods.
6. Student Voice activities must not add to teachers and head
teachers workload or school-level bureaucratic burdens
Learner voice decreases workload by making the changes right
All Apprenticeship providers need to do is promote the panel and
its services. Providers embedding learner voice into their signing
up procedures can simply give the Apprentice the HAP Users
Guide, HAP Awareness Workshops are still being ran, HAP
facilitator will undertake this interactive session leaving teaching
staff with any burdens.
HAP members also discussed the different types of technologies the
panel utilise. Members agreed that providers may not promote these
technologies as they are “unknown” resources. HAP set out a number
of key benefits of utilising such resources:
Keeping with the times
Reaches everyone one way or another
Share Photos, discussions, links
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Easy to lean and to use
Can help to promote learning providers
Cheap and Viable
To cut out feelings of isolation in the workplace and the majority
of the Apprentices aren’t with large organisations with many
Gives everyone an equal say
HAP members finally discussed what we require Apprenticeship
providers to do to ensure all Apprentices are fully aware of HAP and
how they can have their say:
Display our materials
Word of mouth – via induction
Signpost Apprentices to the website
Ask us for our opinion
Let us do Awareness Workshops
Forward our e-mail to Apprentices
Utilise HAP in Learner Involvement Strategies
Encourage all Apprentices (regardless to ability)
Put us in your newsletters / website
DT stated these points will be drafted up into an e-mail to be circulated
to all Apprenticeship Providers across the Humber sub-region, attached
to this e-mail would be an interactive “flash” e-mail for Providers to
forward onto all Apprentices. DT explained this would co-inside with the
release of posters to providers in addition the release of the 24:7
Magazine articles. DT added that HAP couldn’t afford to get the HAP
Users Guide printed however this document would be circulated to
providers and be available as a download from the HAP website once
the draft had been approved.
DT suggested all HAP members attend the Advanced Apprenticeship
Graduation Ceremony to promote the benefits of learner voice and HAP
directly to employers and Apprenticeship providers. HAP members
agreed this was a fantastic idea and would raise the profile of the panel
with achieving Apprentices who could spread the word to existing
5. Any Other Business
LA stated that HAP should have a night out to celebrate all the hard
work they have done over the last three years, as both the Yorkshire
and Humber Regional Learner Panel and the National Learner Panel’s
have gone it’s would be great to celebrate the fact we are the only
learner voice mechanism solely for Apprentices still in existence. DT
agreed, and stated that we could all go out after the Advanced
Apprenticeship Graduation Ceremony. DT to circulate an e-mail to all
HAP members new and old to invite them to the night out.
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Date and time of next meeting: 4th November 2010 – 5:30pm – 7pm
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