Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DOC) by liaoqinmei


									                        RECORD OF MEETING

Date:            January 14-15, 2008

Location:        Fisheries & Oceans Canada,
                 Delta Pointe, Victoria, BC

Purpose of          Update on International Fishery Issues
Meeting:            Post Season Review
                    Planning for TAB Elections
                    Discuss Issues of Importance to the Fishery

Group/Advisory   Tuna Advisory Board (TAB)

Attendees:       Lisa Wilson, DFO (Chair)
                 Steven Wright, DFO
                 Harpreet Gill, DFO
                 Max Stocker, DFO
                 Sylvie LaPointe, DFO
                 Lauren Donihee, DFO
                 David Whorley, DFAIT
                 Sandy Argue, MOE
                 Joe Graceffo, High Seas Zone
                 Absent, High Seas Zone
                 Ian Bryce, Canadian Zone
                 Dave Ratcliff, Canadian Zone
                 Ernie Cooper, WWF Canada
                 Bud Schuler, USA Zone (Alternate for Keeling)
                 Masa Haraguchi, Producer/Buyer
                 Bob McIntosh, USA Zone
                 Korey Sundstrum, USA Zone
                 Gord Cranton, USA Zone (Alternate for Dave Ronlund)
                 Gregg Holm, USA Zone
                 Larry Teague, USA Zone
                 Tom Lindberg                      Dave Keeling (Day 1)
                 Dave Chambers                     Peter deGreef (Day 1)
                 Bruce Wight                       Steve Lasota (Day 1)
                 Mark De Conte                     GW Thor Johnson (Day 1)
                 Lorne Clayton                     Evy Vestad (Day 1)
                 Don Bellham (Day 1)               Cliff Vestad (Day 1)
Materials Distributed (list):

      Agenda

Key Issues Discussed:

      The Tuna Advisory Board (TAB) is Fisheries & Oceans Canada’s advisory body
       that provides advice on tuna operational issues. Final decisions rest with the
       Minister of Fisheries & Oceans.

DAY ONE, January 14, 2007

Agenda Item: Report on Call with US State Department (S. LaPointe)
    Sylvie Lapointe spoke with Dave Hogan, lead negotiator with US State
     Department & Mark Helvey, NOAA to get information about the WFOA letter of
     November 29th, requesting the US government to terminate the Canada/US Tuna
     Treaty. Overall, the call was positive.
    The termination request did not take place by December 31, 2007.
    A copy of the WFOA letter was circulated. The key issues for the WFOA outlined
     in the letter are:
          o Canadians selling/leasing of vessel months;
          o Decreased Canadian landings in USA ports;
          o Potential future management measures and country quotes required by
              WCPFC and IATTC due to the state of Northern Albacore stocks;
          o Increasing size of Canadian vessels fishing in US waters; and
          o Number of Canadian vessels entering US waters is not within spirit of
    US officials do not have a set process to follow in response to a request to
     terminate a Treaty. As such, the US government has embarked on broad series of
     consultations on the potential impacts of ending the Treaty with processors, ports,
     states, and congressional committees.
    US officials will be seeking clarification about WFOA concerns and options that
     the WFOA might be open to. US officials need to determine if the letter reflects
     the opinions of the entire WFOA.
    US officials are expecting to have constructive feedback by early February.
    US officials will be seeking Canadian views on ending the Treaty through a
     diplomatic note.
    After consulting with stakeholders, US officials will also examine the broader
     context of Canada/USA relationship and fisheries relationships.
    Canada and the US agreed that the 2008 USA section 68 fishery will go ahead -
     we expect at default levels set by the amended Treaty.
    Canada and US officials will meet in April to discuss management of the tuna
     fishery and the Treaty.
Agenda Item: Preliminary Exchange of Data between Canadian and US Officials (L.
    Canadian officials met with officials from NWFS and NOAA to exchange
      information on the 2007 fishing season on January 11, 2008.
    US officials will be seeking clarification on hail requirements for Canadian
      vessels fishing for tuna in US waters.
    Canadian officials identified the following challenges for Canadian vessels
      landing in US ports: need for emergency docking, bonds/fees, and inconsistency
      with application of laws/regulations.
    Canadian and US officials agreed upon the vessel months reported.
    There were no violations of US laws by Canadian tuna vessels in US waters.
    There were 6 US vessels that did not hail to Tofino properly.
    There were 3 US high seas fishing vessels that entered Canadian ports without
      proper port access. These vessel owners have all been issued letters of
      requirements for entering Canadian ports.
    US officials will be recommending harsher penalties for 2008 for tuna fishers who
      are repeat offenders.
    US Coast Guard and Customs agencies did not identify any complaints with
      Canadian tuna vessels in US waters.
    US officials are conducting extensive consultations and market research to
      identify any stakeholders that would be impacted by ending the Canada/US Tuna
    16 Canadian vessels entered US ports without unloading in 2007.
    Port of Astoria is completing an economic benefits analysis, as part of this they
      will be looking at the Canadian tuna vessels.
    All US tuna vessel owners are members of the WFOA.

Agenda Item: Assessment of US Concerns (Discussion)
 There was extensive discussion about concerns that US fishers may have about
   Canadians fishing for tuna in US waters. The discussion focused on:
      o Imbalance in fishing;
      o Vessel months scheme;
      o Transfer of vessel months;
      o Decreased Canadian landings in US ports;
      o Challenges for Canadians landing in US ports (administrative requirements
          inconsistent application of laws, price differences, etc.);
      o Ease for US fishers to land in Canadian ports; and
      o Potential for country quotas.

Agenda Item: USA Concerns over Leasing Vessel Months (Discussion)
    There was extensive discussion about USA concerns over Canadian vessels
     leasing their months. The key issues identified were:
          o WFOA seems to have a misunderstanding on how Canada manages the
          o NOAA is okay with how we manage vessel months.
          o Canadian fleet has decreased effort every year for the last 5 years.
           o Vessel months were requested by the US fishing industry. The Canadian
             industry was in support of a set number of boats.
           o The Canadian fishery is in compliance with the Treaty.
           o Canadian officials have not received any formal concerns from USA
             government officials.
           o Industry sees leasing vessel months as a as a transition tool to allow fleet
             to slowly decrease while protecting the most number of jobs.
           o Generally, TAB members were in support of leasing months as long as it
             did not jeopardize the Treaty.
           o Generally, TAB advised DFO against sending 179 boats to the US with 2
             months per vessel.

Agenda Item: Strategic Thinking about Treaty (Discussion)
    In camera meeting to discuss principles for negotiation, options for moving
     forward, and a timeline.

DAY TWO, January 15, 2007

Agenda Item: Review Past Action Items
    DFO held a conference call with the US State Department to obtain further
     information on the US process for consulting its stakeholders, the timing of a US
     determination as to its intentions, possible dates for a bilateral consultation, and
     possible implications for the fishery.
    DFO and DFAIT met with the TAB to discuss preparations for possible bilateral
     treaty negotiations in the spring of 2008.
    An advocacy working group was established. Members will include: DFO,
     DFAIT, the Province, Masa Haraguchi, Gregg Holm, Dave Ratcliffe, Canadian
     Embassy officials, and the Ambassador’s office.
    Gregg Holm and Bud Schuler will represent TAB on the Bowie Seamount
     Advisory Team.
    The Province sent an official letter to DFO that expressed their concerns over the
     Bowie Seamount prohibition of commercial tuna fishing.
    L. Wilson provided more information to TAB on USA laws via email.
    L. Wilson circulated the DFO policy on Advisory Board processes to TAB via

Agenda Item: Fishery Management Update (L. Wilson)
    TAB members did not identify any benefits to the “change of intent” reporting
     requirement to
    Based on recommendations received at the last meeting, DFO has made changes
     to the Terms of Reference for TAB and circulated.
    DFO will be sending out ballots for the TAB election after January 21st. Fishers
     will be allowed 30 days to respond.
    There will be six representatives elected from the US section 68 sector. Only
     those on the Albacore Tuna USA Section 68 license eligibility list as of January
       21, 2008 are eligible to vote or be nominated as representatives for the USA zone
       on TAB. There is no requirement for landings.
      There will be two representatives elected for the High Seas sector. Only those
       tuna vessel owners/license holders that have participated on the high seas by
       having previously recorded landings with DFO at any time from 2005-2007 are
       eligible vote or be nominated to TAB for the high seas zone.
      There will be two representatives elected for the Canadian zone. Only those tuna
       vessel owners/license holders that have participated in the Canadian zone by
       having previously recorded landings with DFO at any time from 2005-2007 are
       eligible vote or be nominated to TAB for the Canadian zone.

Agenda Item: Pre-IFMP Planning (L. Wilson)
    L. Wilson made a presentation on the 2007 IFMP. Key points of discussion were:
          o Increase in average catch from 4,547t to 5,378t
          o Decrease in high seas fishery effort
          o There are no new international management requirements
          o Monitoring requirements may increase in the future due to WCFPC and
             IATTC resolutions
          o Assessment of the 2007/08 Management Objectives:
                 Hail system, logbooks, and fish slips monitored – high compliance
                 Information provided to IATTC & WCPFC
                 Two TAB meetings to discuss management and monitoring of the
                 TAB election to be held January-February 2008
                 195 unique vessels participated and caught 12,326,241 lbs
                   (2,427,751 lbs in BC waters)
                 119 unique vessels fished in USA using 337 vessels months
                 4th year of amended Treaty
                 Continued to monitor tuna fishery through joint hail system
                 No bi-lateral meeting in 2007, next meeting anticipated for Spring
                 Exchanged technical information on effort and compliance in
          o Key Management Issues for 2008 IFMP:
                 No compliance with reporting requirements
                 Hails and logbook submissions (20 outstanding)
                 Fish slips – reporting of location of fishing
                 Long term Treaty planning & access to USA waters
                 E-log pilot???
    L. Wilson sought input on changes for the 2008 IFMP.

Agenda Item: Electronic Logbooks (C. Sinclair/ C. McConnell)
    DFO provided an overview of the e-log pilot and a demonstration.
    Cost of equipment is ~$1,500, plus costs of service provider for airtime (~$50
     unlimited data transfer per month).
    Fisher is expected to pay for the service provider (most tuna vessels are already
     paying this expense).
      DFO is prepared to loan equipment for the duration of the pilot to those vessels
       who qualify for the pilot but do not have equipment.
      The E-logs could be used to hail to both Tofino and
      DFO would need ~5-20 vessels to pilot. DFO would target vessels that had or globalstar equipment.

Agenda Item: Other Issues
    High seas representative raised the following challenges to the high seas fleet:
          o US high seas fishers entering Canadian ports prior to Canadian season and
             flooding Canadians market.
          o Rising cost of fuel and need for tax relief or fuel subsidy.

Action Items:

      TAB members: to provide specific examples of inconsistencies/challenges
       experienced when landing at US ports.
      DFAIT: to draft a letter to move forward on improving the relationship between
       the Canadian tuna fleet and US border/customs.
      Canadian officials: will have another call with US officials on February 4th to
       receive an update on the US government consultation and next steps in the

Recommendations/Decision(s) Made/Deferred:

   1. TAB members recommended that DFO officials work with US officials to
      develop a landing provision that allows a veto of the 24 hour notice requirement
      and associated fines in cases where emergency towing is required.
   2. TAB members recommended that DFO fine tuna fishers who do not submit their
      logbooks on time.
   3. TAB members voted unanimously in favour of participating in the DFO
      electronic logbook pilot.
   4. TAB members unanimously requested DFO to examine the feasibility of a user
      pays system for vessel month re-allocation system.
   5. TAB members provided the following recommendations for changes to the 2008
          o There needs to be “broader” wording about the Treaty in the IFMP.
          o There needs to be fines for fishers who do not submit their logbooks on
          o Issues with US customs should be added to the current management
          o Add a more specific definition of vessel month re-allocation.
   6. TAB members unanimously advised DFO to:
          o Continue to allocate 4 vessel months to USA section 68 license holders
              ranked from 1 to 94; and
             o Continue to maintain the vessel month re-allocation system.

Next Meeting:

         Monday, February 11, 2008, 10AM – 4PM, DFO Regional Headquarters,
          Boardroom B, 2nd Floor, 401 Burrard Street, Vancouver, BC

Contact:        Lisa Wilson, Pelagics Resource Manager, (604) 666-2188

cc:             Harpreet Gill
                TAB members

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