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					To continue our discussion in http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16699&postdays=0&postorder=asc &start=0 Please make full quotes and don’t erase what I wrote to change the subject, I need only who can make full answer or reply to debate with me. Please ask somebody who are spechialized to reply my posts instead of just waisting our time chating. Or giving personal point of views, only specialized scholars may reply to me in scintefic way. Please respect what I asked for. [quote=”he”] [quote="IslamMiracles"]I want you to get back to the quranic miracles, I'm waiting for two days and no body could reply a logic reply, all the replys posted I answered it before and all old questions to repeat.[/quote] They are all rubbish. I have addressed your posts about Iron.[/quote] Not only Iron all of them I will relist them to make it clear to the audience, that there is no way it’s miracles. .[/quote] 1Quran 1500years ago said the earth is ball (not a perfect ball in other verses) while people till less than a century ago say it’s flat. (we are balling the day into the night and night into the day) why used verbe ball? Some said it’s translated with other word, I said it’s not the direct translation the direct translation is ball (yokawero) the verb of (kora) or (koraton) whis is the only word to describe the balls like foot ball or basket ball (Korat quadam or Korat yad). So there is translator who made mistakes but they are not gods, the god words were in arabic you can have an Arabic quran and a simple dictionary Arabic-English to look for the translation of Yokawero, or you can ask any Arabic man haw to say foot ball in arabic. And haw to say the verb of it like we are balling the day into the night.

2The Iron sent down, Some people argued and said that he know this from common knolage as antiant Egyptians said that in hirogliphic inscription, and people know that from long time ago, and it’s not a recent discovery from the recent knolage. The answer for those are clear, aif it a common knoalge we wouldn’t discover that recently then re translated the Egyptian text as the Iron sent down. bHe must forgot that in that time there was no books available for every body, only Libraries which was demolished in that time and it’s not mentioned in any old book that the Iron sent down, There was no news papers books were wrote by hands and sold for fortunes only to he kings. Common knowlage at Mekka that time was only about poems, There was no scientists socity there to make them say to each other if the Iron is from planet earth or not, and they don’t know even if the earth is a planet. Mohammed if he is fake will not mention that the Iron sent down while he is not sure if we Immagine that

people said that to each other, there was no books and mohammed don’t know how to read Arabic, then haw he will read hieroglyphic or any other book. And if we said that he succeeded to find a source book speak about the Iron and that is trusted book enogh to consider this info in quran which is supposed to rich all the nations that may mentioned this info(iron sent down) so imagine with me what is the proofs mentioned in this old source book that proof the Iron Is from out the planet? If he succeeded to be sure of this info then haw he was succeede to know the rest 1000s phenomenas mentioned in quran that’s also were not known before? cProfit can’t depend on what people say about phenomenas as long as there was no knowlage haw to proof these phenomenas that people think it’s tru (If we said that it’s common knowlage although we didn’t know these info but from few years or monthes ago) dWhy the profit risk and put scintefic theories that he and any one else till few days ago don’t have the knowlage haw to proof it? He didn’t have to mention those theories. 3The mountains are like Pegs: If we tried to define the pegs scientifically we should not defineit as a fixed shape, because you can use a ball as a peg or a box as a peg as long as they are under the ground and they are solid. Also you can’t define it by it’s purpose. As it can be used with not only the tents but also with spars or flags or balloons. So the only definition for the pegs is like this: It’s a solid piece most of it is under the ground. The mountains definition is tepically the definition of the pegs geologically, You can’t define the mountains as the old definition (piece of land above the sea surface level) as the recent knowlage says that most of the mountain is under the ground, and you can’t define the mountains by it’s purpose or functions as many mountains have different functions from each other and all of them are mountains, so we can’t define the mountains by it’s function, The only scintefic definition is that it’s solid piece of solid materials (as the surrounded materials are much softer) most of it under the ground. (the same definition of the pegs) 4The mountains pass like the clouds, It’ clear and no body argued in that they just asked where is that verses and I told them. And told me it’s about the judjment day but I proofed that it’s not as the verses before it was talking about another miracle and scintefic fact which is the night is rest. And before this verses talking about the judjment, so the god put between verses that is talking about judjment verses talking about his gifts proofs and miracles. Those are the main topics I was talking about from the beginning and till now, no body cant erease them from the Quran to say that they are not mentioned. [quote=”he”] [img]http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/images_miracles_of_the_quran/part1_10_02.jp g[/img] If you draw the picture to scale, you will have to stretch the X-axis by more than 15 times. And then the "pegs" will disappear and in their places will be flat bottomed pans.

I'm sorry to say that only gullible people like you fall for Harun Yahya's lies.[/quote] Actually not Harun yehya or any other scintist who says there is scintefic miracles and proofs that quran is not fabricated by human, But also quran says that there is proofs in quran we have to discover to know that it's truth. The god said in quran, {who fear the god of his slaves are the scientists} He said also { we will show them our proofs (miracles) in themselves and in the horizons until they know that it’s the truth.

If you made a 3d shap you will find it as pegs and even if it take many shapes, and the shape is fixed, we should only look to the definition what is pegs and what is mountains they have typical definition. 5The mountains are like Pegs: If we tried to define the pegs scientifically we should not defineit as a fixed shape, because you can use a ball as a peg or a box as a peg as long as they are under the ground and they are solid. Also you can’t define it by it’s purpose. As it can be used with not only the tents but also with spars or flags or balloons. So the only definition for the pegs is like this: It’s a solid piece most of it is under the ground. The mountains definition is tepically the definition of the pegs geologically, You can’t define the mountains as the old definition (piece of land above the sea surface level) as the recent knowlage says that most of the mountain is under the ground, and you can’t define the mountains by it’s purpose or functions as many mountains have different functions from each other and all of them are mountains, so we can’t define the mountains by it’s function, The only scintefic definition is that it’s solid piece of solid materials (as the surrounded materials are much softer) most of it under the ground. (the same definition of the pegs) I don’t know who is haroon yehya, actually all who are called scientists in this earth and readed quran by it’s original language they found that quran didn’t made any mistake while defining things related to theire scince, and all of them who did that believed in quran and became muslims.


				
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