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							                    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                    FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA



ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN                   )
PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS, INC.,            )
AMERICAN COUNCIL FOR HEALTH               )
CARE REFORM AND NATIONAL                  )
LEGAL & POLICY CENTER,                    )      CIVIL ACTION
                                      )       No. 93-399
           Plaintiffs,                    )
                                          )
     v.                                   )    (Judge Lamberth)
                                          )
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON,                   )
DONNA E. SHALALA, Secretary of            )
Health and Human Services,                )
LLOYD E. BENTSEN, Secretary of    )
the Treasury, LES ASPIN,                  )
Secretary of Defense, JESSE               )
BROWN, Secretary of Veterans              )
Affairs, RONALD H. BROWN,         )
Secretary of Commerce, ROBERT             )
B. REICH, Secretary of Labor,             )
LEON E. PANETTA, Director of              )
the Office of Management and              )
Budget, ALICE RIVLIN, Deputy              )
Director of the Office of                 )
Management and Budget, CAROL              )
RASCO, IRA MAGAZINER and          )
JUDITH FEDER, White House         )
Advisors, THE PRESIDENT'S         )
TASK FORCE ON NATIONAL                    )
HEALTH CARE REFORM, the                   )
INTERDEPARTMENTAL WORKING         )
GROUP OF THE PRESIDENT'S TASK             )
FORCE ON NATIONAL HEALTH CARE             )
REFORM, and its CLUSTER GROUPS,           )
WORKING GROUPS and SUBGROUPS,             )
et al.,                                   )
                                          )
           Defendants.                    )
___________________________________)


          PLAINTIFF'S MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES
           IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANTS' MOTION TO DISMISS
      Defendants contend that the placement of certain documents of

the   Working    Groups     (categorized     by   them   improvidently    as

Presidential Records per 44 U.S.C. 2201) which have been made

available in Archives II for review by researchers moots this case.

      By raising the mootness defense, the defendants have assumed a

heavy legal burden.       See     County of Los Angeles v. Davis   , 440 U.S.

625, 631, 99 S. Ct. 1379, 1383 (1979), quoting              United States v.

W.T. Grant Co. , 345 U.S. 629, 633, 73 S. Ct. 894, 897 (1953)

("[T]he burden of demonstrating mootness is a heavy one"),               accord,

La Marca v. Turner , 995 F.2d 1526, 1542 (11th Cir. 1993).           A case

is moot only when "(1) it can be said with assurance that there is

no reasonable expectation that the alleged violation will recur ...

and (2) interim relief or events have completely and irrevocably

eradicated the effects of the alleged violation."              Id. (citations

omitted);   see also Penthouse Int'l, Ltd. v. Meese         , 939 F.2d 1011,

1018 (D.C. Cir. 1991),          cert. denied , 112 S. Ct. 1513 (1992).     The

defendants have failed to demonstrate how either of these elements

have been satisfied.      See     Better Government Ass'n v. Department of

State , 780 F.2d 86 (D.C. Cir. 1986).



                      THE WORKING GROUP RECORDS ARE
                FACA DOCUMENTS, NOT PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS

      The essence of      one of the contentions and requests for relief

of Plaintiffs is that all of the records, proceedings, notes,




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memoranda,       etc.    of    the   Working   Groups    should      be   made    public

pursuant to the Federal Advisory Committee Act, Sections 10(b), 12

&     13. 1      This    relief      flows   naturally      and    properly      from   an

adjudication by the Court that the Groups were one or more FACAs

meeting illegally.            See    Northwest Forest Resource Council v. Espy                ,

846 F.Supp. 1009 (D.C.Cir. 1994).              After "stonewalling" Plaintiffs
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and the public for over 16 months, The White House announced                                 on

August 17, 1994 that it was making all working group documents

"public".        That is not what happened.           The White House transmitted

approximately       260    boxes     of   documents    to    the    Archives     II,    in

Maryland.        These documents were made available to researchers and

are        categorized    there      as   "Clinton     White      House   Presidential
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Records."        Indeed, in order to attempt to secure                    a position that


       1
     See also 41 CFR §101-6.1035.     The 22d Annual Report of the
President on Advisory Committees (Page 1) states:

                 "Subject to the requirements of the Freedom of
                 Information Act, all papers and records
                 generated by Federal Advisory Committees,
                 including detailed minutes of each meeting,
                 must be made available for public inspection."


       2
           See Attachment B to Exhibits to           Declaration of Dr. Orient .
       3
     The White House and Defendants have always taken the position
that these documents are not agency records or public records
subject to FOIA.    See Memorandum of Ira Magaziner and Memo of
Miriam McDmiller in Attachments C to Exhibits to Declaration of Dr.
Orient. Plaintiffs have always contended otherwise.




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these are not public records, the Archives was instructed to place

a label on each photocopy machine copy glass so that each copy

would bear a legend with reference to the Presidential Records Act.

See Declaration of Dr. Jane Orient and Attachment D to Exhibits to

Declaration of Orient .               The documents are available for a limited
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time with access restricted to those who apply as researchers,                                     and

submit    to    a    search    of     personal    belongings;        and      a    process    of

application.

        Congress      has     not    engrafted        an     exception   to       the    Federal

Advisory Committee Act, 5 U.S.C., App., Sections 1-14, with respect

to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. Sections 2201                                  et. seq. ,

("PRA")    even       though    the     FACA     specifically       addresses           advisory

committees "established and utilized by the President."                            The reason

is obvious.         If the Presidential Records Act (PRA) were to apply to

Presidential        advisory        committees,       such    as   Working        Groups,    the

entire Congressional purpose behind the enactment of FACA would be

undermined.          FACA requires Presidential advisory committees to

maintain open meetings with public participation, and, importantly,

requires       public    access to records and documents of Presidential

    4
     The "application" process is relatively simple.         It is
described by Dr. Orient in her Declaration.     One must disclose
personal information to the Government, state a reason for the
research, and procure a research "card." The undersigned now has a
3 year "card." See National Archives and Records Administration NA
Form 14025 (10-86).




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advisory committees.    In fact, individuals are accorded the right

to seek redress in the United States Courts, pursuant to Section 10

of FACA, the Government in the Sunshine Act, 5 U.S.C. Section 552b,

and the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. Section 552, ("FOIA")

if a Presidential advisory committee fails to provide open meetings

or fails to disclose its records or documents.           Public Citizen v.

United States Department of Justice       , 491 U.S. 440 (1989), 109 S.Ct.

2558 (1989);   Center for Auto Safety v. Cox     , 580 F.2d 689 (D.C. Cir.

1978);   Food & Chemical News, Inc. v. Davis          , 378 F.Supp. 1048

(D.D.C., 1974).

     On the    contrary, the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C.

Section 2201   et. seq. , provides neither protection to the public

for the preservation of Presidential Records, nor redress from the

courts in the event records are being destroyed.         Under the PRA,

the President may dispose of records upon obtaining the "views" of

the Archivist of the United States that the records "no longer have

administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value."

PRA, Section 2203(c).    If the Archivist notifies the President he

does not intend to take action, the President need only notify the

appropriate Congressional Committees sixty (60) days in advance of

the date of disposal.      Neither the Archivist nor Congress can

prevent the destruction.      The Courts can not intervene.          See

Armstrong v. Executive Office of the President        , 1 F.3d 1274 (D.C.

Cir. 1993).    Further, at any time prior to the expiration of             his




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term, the President may restrict access to his records for up to

twelve (12) years.       PRA, Section 2204.      The PRA provides for no

judicial   review   of   the   actions   taken   by   a   President   in   the

destruction or restriction of his records.                See     Armstrong      v.

Executive Office of the President        , Supra .    This was made clear by

the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia

Circuit in Armstrong v. Bush , 924 F.2d 282 (D.C. Cir., 1991):

                  We conclude that permitting judicial
            review of the President's compliance with the
            PRA would upset the intricate statutory scheme
            Congress   carefully   drafted   to   keep   in
            equipoise important competing political and
            constitutional concerns.    We therefore hold
            that the PRA is one of the rare statutes that
            does impliedly preclude judicial review.

Armstrong v. Bush , 924 F.2d at 290.

     The Court went on to discuss the power of the President over

Presidential records:

                  Congress balanced these competing goals
            [doctrine    of   separation   of  powers]   by
            requiring the President to maintain records
            documenting the policies, activities, and
            decisions of his administration, but leaving
            the implementation of such a requirement in
            the President's hands. See 44 U.S.C. Section
            2203(a).      For example, although the FRA
            [Federal Records Act] authorizes the Archivist
            to promulgate guidelines and regulations to
            assist the agencies in the development of a
            records management system, the PRA lacks an
            analogous system.     The Archivist also lacks
            the authority under the PRA to inspect the
            President's records or survey the President's
            records management practices.     Finally, the
            PRA does not require the Archivist to provide
            Congress with the annual reports on the




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           President's    recordkeeping    policies    and
           practices that he must submit for agencies.

                 Moreover, the PRA accords the President
           virtually complete control over his records
           during his term of office.         Although the
           President must notify the Archivist before
           disponing of records and the Archivist may
           inform Congress of the President's desire to
           dispose of the records, neither the Archivist
           nor the Congress has authority to veto the
           President's disposal decision. See H.R. Rep.
           No. 95-1487 at 13, 1978 U.S. CODE CONG. &
           ADMIN NEWS at 5744.      Instead the provision
           authorizing the Archivist to notify Congress
           "is   solely   for   notification   though  the
           Congress would have its traditional means of
           voicing objection to particulars in the
           proposal   directly   to   the   President,  or
           ultimately by passing legislation to block the
           destruction of certain records."       Id.   In
           light of such cautious authority for the
           Archivist   and   Congress   to   question  the
           President's disposal decision and the lack of
           any authority to interfere with his records
           management practices, it is difficult to
           conclude that Congress intended to allow
           courts, at the behest of private citizens, to
           rule on the adequacy of the President's
           records management practices or override his
           records creation, management and disposal
           decision.

Armstrong v. Bush , 924 F.2d at 290.

     Unequivocally, Congress exercised a completely contrary intent

when it enacted FACA, to govern Presidential Advisory Committees.

It not only exercised control over the establishment, purpose, and

duration of advisory committees "established and utilized by the

President," but set forth the requirement that meetings be open,

established the type of recordkeeping such committees must perform,




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and mandated that such records must be open for public inspection.

 Where meetings were closed, or records were denied, any public

citizen could resort to the United States Courts for redress.

Congress       chose    to    exercise   control    over     Presidential    Advisory

Committees.       It did not amend FACA in the light of PRA, nor create

exceptions in PRA because of FACA.               Accordingly, records submitted

to or created for or by a Presidential Advisory Committee are FACA

records, not PRA records.                To hold otherwise would allow the

President to totally evade the requirements of FACA, rendering it
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meaningless and useless.

        The    access    to    documents   and     records    of   Federal   Advisory

Committees is one of the signal purposes behind the enactment of

FACA.         To that end, advisory committees -- even Presidential

advisory committees -- are required to make available for public

inspection and copying at a single location                    in the offices of the

advisory committee or the agency to which the advisory committee

reports all the records, reports, transcripts, minutes, appendices,

working papers, drafts, studies, agenda and other documents.                   FACA,

Section 10(b).           Food Chemical News v. Department of Health and

Human Services , 980 F.2d 1468 (D.C. Cir. 1992).



    5
     As it is, the President's staff went to incredible lengths to
avoid even airborne contact with FACA. See "Guidelines for Meeting
with the President" attached hereto as Attachment A.




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           For p urposes of continuity, each Federal Advisory Committee is

required to include in its charter, among other things, the agency

responsible for providing the necessary support for the committee,

FACA, Section 9(c)(E).        The head of the agency named must designate

an     Advisory      Committee    management   officer       who   then    assumes

responsibility for assembling and maintaining the reports, records

and other papers of any such committee during its existence (FACA,

Section 8(b)(2)) and carrying out the provisions of Section 552 of

Title 5, United States Code, with respect to such reports, records

and other papers (FACA, Section 8(b)(3)) afterwards.

           The chairperson, here the Defendant, Hillary Rodham Clinton,

must       consult   with   the   Administrator   of   the    General     Services

Administration regarding the role of the Designated Federal officer

and Committee Management officer.          41 C.F.R. Section 101-6.1011.

The Committee Management officer is then given the authority to

carry out all responsibilities delegated by the agency head, and,

in particular, to ensure that the provisions of Sections 10b, 12(a)

and 13 of the FACA are implemented by the agency to provide for

appropriate recordkeeping.

           Unequivocally, the President should name an agency to maintain
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the records of the advisory committee.                 In the absence thereof,


       6
     President Clinton has been keenly interested in reducing the
number of FACA Committees and the expenses attendant thereto and
carefully reporting FACA costs. See Executive Order 12838 and OMB
Bulletin 93-10, dated April 9, 1993. Twenty-Second Annual Report



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the General Services Administration may serve in such a capacity.

FACA, Section 12.            Finally, the Administrator of the General

Services Administration must provide eight (8) copies of each

report made by any advisory committee and, where appropriate,

background       papers    prepared    by    consultants   to    the    Library     of

Congress.        The Library of Congress must establish a depository for

such reports and papers where they shall be available for public

inspection and use.         FACA, Section 13.

       FACA documents therefore are the antithesis of Presidential

Records.     Simply attaching a label to a photocopy machine does not

conclusively determine the matter.                  Continental Airlines v. CAB          ,

522 F.2d 107, 124 (D.C. Cir. 1974) ("The label an agency attaches

to its action is not determinative").               Should this Court determine

that the Working Groups were subject to FACA, the documents would

then be treated in an entirely different way.              First, they would be

"public" documents in every sense of the word.                    The Library of

Congress would have them.             The Committee Secretariat of General

Services Administration would supervise them.              All of them would be

subject     to     FOIA.     One     would   not    have   to    be    designated    a

"researcher" in order to gain access to the documents.                      Second,

this   Court      would    have    continuing     jurisdiction    to   enforce    its


of President on FACA.         See Attachment A to Exhibits to Declaration
of Dr. Jane Orient.




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Declaratory Judgment and Injunction requiring the President to

follow the law and make       all such records available.     Later, the

public would have recourse under FACA, FRA (Federal Records Act)

and FOIA.     Plaintiffs would have recourse to insure that the sorry

recurrences of the past in this case and others are not repeated in

the future and that all documents in the hands of all working group
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participants were and are properly accumulated.          Were the Court to

grant Defendants Motion, there would be no way for anyone to ever

require the President to make all of the Records public, or insure

that all such documents were accumulated, as represented, or not
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destroyed, in whole or in part.

    7
     The accumulation of the Records is still very much a "work in
progress."   Apparently, no documents were sought by defendants
between November 3, 1993 and August 31, 1994. Between August 31,
1994 and September 9, 1994        42 Boxes from participants were
retrieved. Over one-third of participants are reported not to have
any documents. Computer records are still being "reviewed" by the
White House. See Declarations of Terry Good , Kathryn Serkes .

    8
        Indeed, Defendants previously argued to this Court as follows:

              "Just as the district court in   Armstrong could
              not therefore enjoin the President from
              destroying PRA records in the face of
              allegations   that   such  materials   may  be
              discarded in violation of the Act, this Court
              has no authority to enter a "prophylactic"
              order which similarly requires the defendants
              to comply with the PRA."

      Memorandum Regarding the Presidential Records Act and the
Federal Records Act , filed April 15, 1993, at page 5. (Docket #
30).




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           Unlike the Federal Advisory Committee Act, the Freedom of

Information Act, and the Federal Records Act, the Presidential

Records Act accords the President virtually complete control over

his records during his term in office.                        See         Armstrong v. Bush , 924

F.2d 282 at 290 (D.C. Cir. 1994).                         In fact, neither the Archivist

of the United States nor the Congress has the authority to veto a

decision of the President to dispose of Presidential Records.

Armstrong I , Supra , 924 F.2d at 290.                      Thus, if this Court dismisses

this action and loses jurisdiction, the President is free to

withdraw the documents from the Archives, dispose of all of them or

part       of    them       or   fail     to     disclose        those    documents     not    yet

accumulated or "reviewed."                     Plaintiffs will not have the complete

relief a Declaratory Judgment would afford.                              Clearly, the    public
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is interested.               This is not a case of a Tempest in a Teapot.                       It

is serious public business.

           Therefore, the state, form, and placement and categorization

of   the        documents        and    records      of    the    Working     Groups    as    FACA

documents and not as Presidential Records presents a still very

much live controversy for which this court is uniquely suited to

act in a traditional role.                     See        Armstrong v. Executive Office of

the President , 1 F.3d 1274 (D.C.Cir. 1993).                              See also Memorandum

       9
     Thousands of Articles concerning the documents placed at
Archives II have been appearing since September 7, 1994 in most
American publications.




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opinion in the       Nation Company, Inc. v. The Archivist of the United

States , U.S. Dist. Ct. D.C. Case # 88-1939 (RCL).                  Judicial review

and intervention with regard to FACA records subject to FOIA very

much presents the traditional "case or controversy" role of the

judiciary.       See 5 U.S.C. §552(a)(4)(B).             See      Truitt v. Department

of State , 897 F.2d 540, 547 (D.C. Cir. 1990).                 Thus, a Declaration

that this alleged "horde" was one FACA (or a number of FACAs) has

far    reaching     legal    implications.      In       short,   very   little   has

changed.       The documents have moved from one custodian to another.

Researchers may review them, but they are still not "public"

documents under FACA, FRA (Federal Records Act, 44 U.S.C. §2101                         et.

seq.) and FOIA.       This is the rare case where legal form drives real

legal substance.            Kissinger v. Reporters Committee for Freedom of

the Press , 445 U.S. 136, 100 S.Ct. 960 (1980).



                        WHERE ARE THE MISSING DOCUMENTS?

       Defendants contend that all Working Group records, paper or

electronic, are at the Archives.               However, the Archives reports

that numerous electronic documents are still being "reviewed" in
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the White House.              Other documents are still being accumulated
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after 16 months of alleged attempts to procure them.                           Once this


      10
           See Declaration of Kathryn Serkes         .

      11
           See Declaration of Terry W. Good      .



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court loses jurisdiction, the Plaintiffs will have no enforcement

mechanism to insure that all of these records, which should be

public, will be accumulated or divulged.                Moreover, Plaintiffs have

independently      obtained    Working   Group      documents,         including     one
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gigantic Working Group Draft Report,                     dated September 7, 1993 -

and filed simultaneously herewith - which have not been thus far

disgorged to the public at the Archives.                     Indeed, the Defendants

have contended all along that the Working Group ceased operating in

May, 1993. Apparently not.        Plaintiffs have not thus far found any

documents in the Archives Records dated after approximately late

May or June 1993.      If the Working Group was producing group drafts

as late as September, 1993, there is a sizeable "gap" in the

documents   thus     far    produced.       If   this        case   were   just     about

documents (which it is not), it is still about documents.                             An

adjudication    of    the     appropriate    law        to    be    applied   and     the

guidelines will assist in the search for the complete truth.




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      This Working Group Draft Report is interesting on many
accounts. First, it has not been found at Archives II. Second, it
seems to contradict the     Declaration of Tarmey     who claims the
Working Group disbanded on May 31, 1993. Third, it is close to a
Final Report at about the time the President's Plan was
"unwrapped." See BNA Report of President's Plan      filed herewith.
Fourth, it is the basis of the President's Plan and legislation
still being pursued.    Finally, it is directly contrary to the
representation of Defendants at Page 12: "In this case, however,
no such report exists."




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Depositions   of   the   appropriate    document    managers   and   of    Mr.

Magaziner will help also.      The Court and the Plaintiffs need to

know precisely what documents were produced when and what documents

still exist unproduced and where.           PRA affords no such relief.

FACA, FRA and FOIA do.

        This is at least the third time this administration has

violated this important law.       Alabama - Tombigbee Rivers Coalition

v. Department of Labor , 26 F. 3d 1103 (11th Cir. 1994),              Northwest

Forest Resource Council v. Espy        , 846 F.Supp. 1009 (D.D.C. 1994).

In Espy , Supra , the government contended that the case was mooted

because there was nothing left to decide. The Court held, however,

that it was adjudicating the group a FACA for whatever legal

significance the law had to the facts.             It afforded substantial

relief to the Plaintiffs.        846 F.Supp at 1015.           In         Alabama-

Tombigbee , Supra , the government argued that the case was moot

because the group had already met and given its advice and rendered

its report.    It was too late for judicial action, the government

said.     Besides, the government contended that it was "sorry but

could not turn back the clock."              The District Court and the

Eleventh Circuit rejected the argument, concluding that being sorry

was not a sufficient disincentive for the government to adhere to

the law. 13

    13
      "A simple "excuse us" cannot be sufficient.    It would make
FACA meaningless, something Congress certainly did not intend....
The court sees no reason to retreat from its conclusion that FACA



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     The case at Bar may be arguably the most publicly imp            ortant

case in which the government has successfully utilized a litigation

and administrative strategy to desperately avoid an adjudication

that FACA applies to its expensive secret proceedings.             Here,

however, obviously, part of the strategy was to keep the documents

in the hands of the participants for over 16 months, (so that the
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defendants could argue that they did not "have" them)              stonewall

the Plaintiffs and the court, move for protective orders "sealing"
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documents, designate them "Presidential Records,"           disgorge some

of them when they felt they were no longer politically harmful and


was designed by Congress to prevent the use of any advisory
committee as part of the process of making important federal agency
decisions unless that committee is properly constituted and
produces its report in compliance with the procedural requirements
of FACA, particularly where, as in this case, the procedural
shortcomings are significant and the report potentially influential
to the outcome." 26 F.3d at 1106.


    14
      It is troubling that allegedly one-fifth of these boxes
suddenly appeared within a span of 6 days.     See    Declaration of
Terry W. Good .     Where did they come from?      In view of the
continuing discovery requests and the Order of November 9, 1993,
why were they not "requested" before?   Moreover, why is it that
one-third of the participants including key "Cluster" leaders
allegedly produced no documents?

    15
      Defendants are a bit schizophrenic here.     See      Page 10 of
Defendants' Memorandum in Support of Motion to               Dismiss   .
Presidential Records are those created in the course       of advising
the President.    44 U.S.C. §2201 (2).     Defendants      have always
maintained that the Working Groups did not advise the      President.
See Second Declaration of Magaziner  at page 2.




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then declare the case "moot."            This arrogant abuse of power is

precisely what FACA, FRA and FOIA were designed to curtail.              Only

an adjudication can provide Plaintiffs the complete relief to which

they are entitled under the law.

     Moreover, Defendants seem to        contradict themselves with regard

to the facts.     In order to bolster their characterization of the

documents   as   Presidential   Records,     Defendants   have   taken    the

following position with the Court:

            Since Presidential advisory committees, by
            their very nature, normally serve within the
            Executive Office of the President and do so
            solely to advise and assist him in the
            performance of his official duties, the
            documents created or received by the committee
            are    typically   Presidential   records    by
            definition. 44 U.S.C. § 2201(2).

     Defendants' Opposition to Plaintiffs' Motion for Order
     Preserving Records at 11 (Docket # 39).

     However, in order to make the "horde" argument, Mr. Magaziner

represented to the court in his Second Declaration:

            On January 25, the President also announced
            the creation of an interdepartmental working
            group that would gather information concerning
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      The Government unsuccessfully employed the same strategy in
Alabama-Tombigbee .   At page 16 of its Memorandum of Law in the
District Court, the government argued:

            "In short, plaintiffs brought this action to
            try to have the proverbial genie reinserted
            into its bottle. That sort of relief is not
            available in federal court.   It is too late
            for plaintiffs to get meaningful relief in
            this context under the FACA."




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               the impact of existing health care policies
               and    delivery    services,    and     possible
               alternatives    to   those   policies.       The
               interdepartmental   working   group    was   not
               charged with responsibility for making, and
               did   not    make,   recommendations    to   the
               President, and did not otherwise directly
               advise him. The working group completed its
               work and disbanded during May 1993.

        Second Declaration of Magaziner              at 2 (Docket # 42).

        It   is    hard    to    understand    the     factual     position   of    Mr.

Magaziner, given the schedule of meetings with the President and

the working groups.            See Attachment A to this Memorandum.            It is

difficult     to     reconcile    the   arguments      of   defendants     given    the

representations to this Court that the Interdepartmental Working

Group    (previously      named    InterAgency       Group)   operated     solely   as

staff, not to the President, but to the Task Force.



                THE RECLASSIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE
             THE BEGINNING, NOT THE END OF RELIEF IN THIS CASE

        In   their     Motion     to    Expedite     Ruling   on     Ira   Magaziner,

Defendants were aggressive in their desire to adjudicate quickly

the issues with respect to him.            Now we know why.         Included in the

Presidential Records at the Archives which Plaintiffs have had an
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opportunity to see             are various memos to Mr. Magaziner dated prior

    17
      Plaintiffs have employed "card carrying" researchers to
review the records. While there are many gaps in continuity and
numerous duplicates, it is a slow process which will take
approximately 45 days.




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to March 3, 1993 (the date of his First Declaration).                            Among them

are memoranda concerning the appointment of various private persons

to the Working Groups.              See         Attachment D to Exhibits to Orient

Declaration .          Indeed, reimbursement arrangements for these private

persons appeared to be a priority with Mr. Magaziner's staff.                           None

of   these      people    apparently       ever    went      through     the    charade    of

becoming an "SGE" (Special Government Employee).                               Clearly, the

records thus far reviewed clearly document the duplicity utilized

in this case to avoid the full application of the law.                           Defendants

have        maintained    that    there     was        no   structure,    form     or     real

organization       to    the     "horde."         Having      allegedly    reviewed       the

Documents, such a representation is an incredible perversion of the

plain        xeroxed     facts.           See          Archives   II      Documents         filed

simultaneously herewith.            The penchant of the managers for secrecy

from the public concerning this unclassified, non-military project
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is pathetically apparent from the records produced thus far.

       18
      At the beginning of the process, the First Lady was requested
to carefully choose even interns for staff "for security issues.":

                "Discretion - Due to the sensitive nature of
                the issues and options discussed in these
                groups, security issues and concerns about
                leaks are paramount. Interns should be first
                chosen from those who volunteered on the
                Clinton/Gore campaign or on the transition, or
                who are otherwise known and trusted."
                Attachment D to Exhibits to Declaration of Dr.
                Jane Orient .




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While huge gaps of time are missing from the records of an activity

occurring at a rapid pace around the clock, the truth oozes out

from the boxes -- this court and the plaintiffs have been the

subject of a misrepresentation.           This was no "horde."        Agendas,

schedules,     structure    and   tight        organization   jump   from   the

documents.      See   Attachment D to the Exhibits to Declaration of

Orient .     The factual examination of the working group ordered by

the Circuit Court of Appeals is still very ripe and itself is

plenty of case or controversy.             AAPS v. Clinton , 997 F.2d 898 at

915 (D.C. Cir. 1993).      Plaintiffs are certain that a review of the

record will compel this Court to conclude that Defendants deserve

to be sanctioned for the needless abuse of the facts and the
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judicial process.          That too presents a lively controversy.           "A

case is not moot as long as any single claim for relief remains

viable ..."      Ramer v. Saxbe , 522 F.2d 695, 704 (D.C. Cir. 1975).



                 THE DEFENDANTS SHOULD BE ENJOINED FROM
            USING THE ILLEGAL PRODUCT OF AN UNLAWFUL PROCESS

     Defendants contend that the Working Group is dead and will not

be revived.      Plaintiffs are pleased.           However, there can be no

great confidence level in representations made by defendants who

falsely represented that the Working Group wholly consisted of


    19
         Still pending are Rule 11 sanctions against the Defendants.




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federal employees.      There is no Declaration by the President or

First Lady to support the representation.        There is no reference to

an Executive Order or even a speech by the Administration.              It is

simply an advocacy position designed to convince the Court that a

simple   adjudication   of   the   application    of     FACA   would   be   a

meaningless (and therefore jurisdictionally deficient) gesture.

     Contrary to the Defendants position, the current state of the

President's Plan (as drafted by the Working Group) lends real

support to the Plaintiffs' realistic, substantive fear that the

process at the Executive Level utilizing the Working Group's work

(which in turn was engineered by powerful private foundations and
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business close to the Administration) is still very much active.

 To be sure, the President has every legal right to conduct his

deliberations as he wishes within the law.          His office, however,

has no right to violate a law (especially one he has embraced) in

order to serve private interests.          Plaintiffs believe that the

evidence will demonstrate at a trial that they are entitled to an

adjudication   and   injunction    restraining     the     Defendants    from

utilizing the materials and reports accumulated through a wholly

    20
      Filed simultaneously herewith is a report of BNA dated
September 13, 1993 reporting word for word the Working Group Draft
dated September 7, 1993. Also filed herewith is a Memorandum from
Representative   Pete   Stark  to   "Ways   and   Means   Democrats"
transmitting a summary of the Working Group Draft.      Clearly the
Report of September 7, 1993 is the Blue-Print upon which law-making
is proceeding.




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illegal process in formulating its Health Care Policy and utilizing

the imprimatur of the member experts, to push it through Congress.

 Otherwise, of what use is the law to a democracy if its delay and

manipulation can cause its own demise?         This was precisely the

position of the Court in      Alabama-Tombigbee , Supra , when it said:

            "...to allow the government to use the product

            of a tainted procedure would circumvent the

            very policy that serves the foundation of the

            act."    Id. at 1107.

     Furthermore, if the defendants are so sure that the game has

moved to the Congressional court exclusively, they surely can not

object to what they must consider a meaningless, empty and harmless

declaration and injunction.         Defendants would probably respond

"It's the Principle, Stupid!" Plaintiffs would agree.



       THE COURT HAS AMPLE GROUNDS FOR A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT

     Case   law     is   abundant   establishing   the   viability     of   a

declaratory judgment as a remedy, even if the issue of injunctive

relief has been mooted.        Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Hawarth        , 300 U.S.

227, 57 S.Ct. 461 (1937);      Super Tire Engineers Co. v. McCorkle         , 416

U.S. 115, 94 S.Ct. 1694 (1974).         The Defendants introduce            Super

Tire to create the impression that in the absence of injunctive




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relief, the justiciability requirements of a declaratory judgment

are heightened.            This is clearly unsubstantiated.

        Likewise, Defendants contend in their motion to dismiss that

"this case does not fall into the small category of cases in which

declaratory relief remains viable even though injunctive relief is

moot"    (P.15).            This   proposition    is     wrong     both    legally    and

factually.        A    declaratory     judgment     in   no   way    relies    upon    an

injunction to bear its fruit.              Zwickler v. Koota , 389 U.S. 241, 88

S.Ct. 391 (1967),            Super Tire Engineering Co. v. McCorkle             , 416 U.S.

115, 94 S.Ct. 1694 (1974).              In fact, when injunctive relief has

become    moot,       "a    separate   inquiry         must   be    made   regarding    the

declaratory relief which has been sought.                        Super Tire   416 U.S. at

121.

        Rather, as in any other case, declaratory relief is dependent

upon a substantial controversy between parties having adverse legal

interests.     Id. In fact, there may be adjudication of the rights of

parties through a declaratory judgment without award of process or

payments and where no allegations of irreparable injury is made.

Aetna Life , 300 U.S. at 241.                Also, a court may redress the

injuries caused by conduct which has ceased through a declaratory

judgment.     Winsett v. McGinness , 617 F.2d 996 (3rd. Cir. 1980);

Marks v. City of Chesapeake, Va.,                723 F. Supp 1155 (E.D. VA. 1988);

Preriser v. Nerkirk , 422 U.S. 3a5, 95 S. Ct. 2230 (1975).                              In




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Winsett , future impact upon a prisoner's chances for early parole

was deemed a sufficient interest for a court to issue a declaratory

judgment, even though the prisoner had already been transferred out

of the state.          Id. at 1007.        Surely, a body of physicians and

surgeons have sufficient interests in health care policy to merit

similar declaratory relief.

        Defendants also contend that since a declaratory judgment can

only survive if it is utilized to protect a plaintiffs' future

rights which are being challenged by a fixed governmental policy or

objective, this case has become moot.             Defendants ignore the two

most recent FACA decisions, especially              Northwest Forest Resource

Council v. Espy , 846 F.Supp. 1009 (D.D.C. 1994) where a federal

court    issued    a    declaratory   judgment,    in    the   absence    of   an

injunction.

        The situation in the       Espy case, is exactly like the situation

in the present case.           The difference is that in this case clear

harm will result without an injunction.           However, in both instances

an advisory committee has been formed which the government contends

is only a fact-gathering unit, not reporting directly to the

President.    Plaintiffs in both cases are organizations that will be

directly     affected     by    policies    formulated   by    these     advisory

committees.       Also, the government contended that no formal final

report has been written in either case nor has the government been

able to enact any legislation in either case.             The District Court




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for     the     District     of    Columbia       felt      obligated       to    issue   the

declaratory relief to the Plaintiffs in the Espy case, irrespective

of other types of relief.



                   THIS COURT HAS AMPLE POWER UNDER EQUITY
                   AND FACA TO RENDER THE REQUESTED RELIEF

        The power of this court to grant relief even after a statutory

right    has     expired     is   well     established,       and    follows       from   the

fundamental rule that "it is a well-established prerogative of the

Court    to     treat   as   done       that    which    should     have    been    done."

Jacksonville Port Authority v. Adams                     , 556 F.2d 52, 56 (D.C. Cir.

1977), quoting          Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. Weinberger                        , 367

F.Supp. 1378, 1387 (D.D.C. 1973).                       Thus, even where a statute

prohibits an agency action after a certain date, a reviewing court

may order the agency to take proper remedial action after the

statutory deadline when the agency has acted unlawfully before the

date.         Houston Lighting & Power Co. v. United States                         , 607 F.2d

1131, 1144-45 (D.C. Cir. 1979);                        International Harvester Co. v.

Ruckelshaus , 478 F.2d 615, 650 (D.C. Cir. 1973).

        This Court has broad inherent equitabl                         e power to fashion

appropriate       declaratory       and        injunctive     relief       to    remedy   the

violation of the law.             See     Sierra Pacific v. Lyng , 866 F.2d 1099,

1111 (9th Cir. 1989)(upholding district court's authority to order

broad equitable relief for logging and timber firms by modifying




                                                  25
their Forest Service contracts; explaining that district court "may

adjust its relief to the exigencies of the case in accordance with

the equitable principles governing judicial action");                       United States

v.   Montgomery    County     Bd.   of        Educ.    ,     395      U.S.    255,     227

(1969)(affirming   and    reiterating     district          court's    "traditional

equitable flexibility to shape remedies in order to adjust and

reconcile public and private needs").           Accordingly, this Court has

the authority and discretion to fashion the appropriate remedy,

including enjoining defendants from using or relying upon the

unlawful Report and its underpinnings.                See      American Lithotripsy

Soc'y v. Sullivan , 785 F.Supp. 1034, 1036-1037 (D.D.C. 1992).

     Plaintiffs    have     requested    general       declarat       ory     relief   and

injunction.    Should this court find, after complete discovery

(which can now proceed easier since the facts are now beginning at

last to develop clearly) that this was a FACA, the court can, we

believe, enforce the law in the following ways:

     1.       Order   the      Working     Group       documents        declassified

Presidential Records and reclassified FACA records.                          Armstrong v.

Executive Office of the President        , 1 F.3d 1274 (D.C. Cir. 1993).

     2.   Order that all records be made public in accordance with

FACA, FRA and FOIA.

     3.   Order a Charter to be filed            nunc pro tunc         for the Working

Groups for 1993.   Section 9(c), FACA.




                                         26
      4.    Order a Budget and Report of Expenditures to be filed in

accordance with FACA.    Section 9(c) FACA. GSA Form T-820H.

      5.    Order Defendants to file the reports required by FACA.

See GSA Forms T-822H, T-821H.

      6.    Enjoin the use of the records and reports of the Working

Group since they are the result of an illegal process.                    Alabama-

Tombigbee Rivers Coalition v. Department of Labor              , 26 F.3d 1103

(11th Cir. 1994).

      7.    Declare Plaintiffs to be the prevailing party in this case

to be awarded attorneys fees and costs.        28 U.S.C. §2412.

      8.    Sanction the persons and particular defendants responsible

for   the   misrepresentations   to   this    and   the   Circuit   Court   of

Appeals.    Rule 11, Rule 56(g),      Federal Rules of Civil Procedure           .

      In spite of clear duplicity and a quickly melting defense, the

Defendants contend that this court has lost jurisdiction.           However,

the   Defendants    vociferously      decry   an    adjudication     of     the

application FACA.     If Defendants believe that this case is only

about documents, if the Working Group is disbanded, if the concepts

being litigated here are truly not "live" in the political sense,

then why do the Defendants not agree to the Declaratory Judgment?

The answer to that question is the simple answer to the argument.

There is plenty of case left.            Defendants have utilized, are

utilizing and will utilize the Working Group recommendations and

reports to fashion administrative rule making and legislation.              If




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this court declines to continue, the Defendants once again are free

to use the illegal product of taxpayer means to their own ends.

They have plenty of free constitutional field to engineer their

plans.   But they must be made to do it within the law.      Like the

courts in the   Alabama-Tombigbee    and   Espy   this court should not

countenance a government which violates the law, misrepresents the

facts and then claims that jurisdiction was snatched away by

carrying boxes to Maryland.   The motion should be denied.

                                         Respecfully submitted,




     ________________________________
                                         Thomas R. Spencer, Jr., Esq.
                                         SPENCER & KLEIN, P.A.
                                         801 Brickell Avenue
                                         Suite 1901
                                         Miami, FL   33131
                                         Telephone: (305) 374-7700




     ________________________________
                                         Robert C. Gill, E sq.
                                         SLAVIT & ASSOCIATES, P.C.
                                         2300 N. Street, N.W.
                                         Suite 775
                                         Washington, D.C. 20037
                                         Telephone: (202) 342-1402


                                         Attorneys for Plaintiffs




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DATE:        September 26, 1994




PLEASE NOTE:

Filed Simultaneously herewith and           in   support   hereof   are   the
following documents and exhibits:

        1.    Attachment A to this Memorandum.

        2.    Declaration of Dr. Jane Orient.

        3.    Exhibits to Declaration of Dr. Jane Orient
              (Attachments A, B, C & D).

        4.    Declaration of Kathryn Serkes.

        5.    Working Group Draft dated September 7, 1993.

        6.    BNA report of Presidential Plan.

        7.    Letter to Ways and Means Democrats from Rep. Pete Stark.

        8.    Selected documents from Archives II.




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                       CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

      I hereby certify that I caused a copy of the foregoing
Plaintiff's Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Opposition to
Defendants' Motion to Dismiss to be served, by hand delivery, on
this 26th day of September, 1994 on:

               Frank W. Hunger
                     Assistant Attorney General
               Eric H. Holder, Jr.
                     United States Attorney
               John A. Rogovin
                     Deputy Assistant Attorney General
               David J. Anderson
               Elizabeth A. Pugh
               Thomas W. Millet
               David M Souders
               Arti K. Rai

               U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
               Civil Division
               Federal Programs Branch
               901 E Street, N.W.
               Washington, D.C.   20530



                               _______________________________
                               Thomas R. Spencer, Jr., Esq.




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