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					NOTES ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD
OPPOSITION TO SIDEWALKS ON
THE HANSHAW ROAD PROJECTS
              -Bernie Hutchins, October 2009

Below is a sampling of materials available from official records that demonstrate that
something like 80% of residents along Hanshaw Road are opposed to the inclusion of
sidewalks in the renovation project.



(A)   Summary of Neighborhood Petition, September, 2005

(B)   Ithaca Town Board Meeting, October 17, 2005

(C)   Ithaca Town Board Meeting, January 26, 2006

(D) Tompkins County Highway Dept., March 27, 2007

(E)   Letter, Ithaca Journal, April 7, 2007
(A) SUMMARY OF PETITION AGAINST SIDEWALK SEPT 2005
Documents Presented to C. Valentino, Sept. 2005, DeWitt Cafeteria Meeting
Under “Petition” a (+) sign indicates petition was signed, a (NO) that resident favored the
sidewalks, and a blank that no one was home.
Note: At the time this petition was circulated, it was apparently the case that individual
homeowners would be responsible for maintenance of the sidewalk. Subsequently, the
Town of Ithaca apparently assumed this responsibility, which probably changed some
minds in favor of the sidewalk.
(B) TOWN BOARD MEETING OCTOBER 17, 2005
14 of 14 residents speak against sidewalk

Debra Cowan, 1022 Hanshaw Road
My name is Debra Cowan and I live at 1022 Hanshaw Road and you will all forgive me if I do
a lot of this through reading because it is the only way that I can keep track of my thoughts.
Thank you.

I have been asked to present a petition by a group of Hanshaw Road neighbors, about
40-so of us have been throughout the fall to discuss the concerns about the impact of the
project on Hanshaw Road. This petition has been brought to every house on Hanshaw
Road. It was distributed before the September 29th public meeting and some of the
signatures were obtained after the meeting. At the time we brought the petition around, our
information was that the Town would require residents to maintain and repair any sidewalks
that might be constructed. I had confirmed this personally with John Lampmen, the County
Highway Department, and Rich Brower, who is the project engineer, just before we went out.
The wording of the petition is taken from your own Town of Ithaca resolutions passed
unanimously by the Board on June 13th and September 12th. In the June resolution, the
Town said, “that sidewalks or walkways be included when wanted by the majority of the
adjoining residents”. Pursuant to this resolution, we wrote the petition and went to each of
the houses on Hanshaw.

There are 78 people who signed this petition. The petition asks for a limit to the width
of the roadway to 10 feet and the shoulder to 4 feet and that the shoulders be paved and
designated a combined bike path and walkway, much like Warren Road; that any swales be
minimal in size; that traffic calming measures be included in the plan; that a multiuse
recreation way be considered; that sidewalks not be constructed. Hanshaw Road has 83
houses in all and 78 people in 55 of those houses signed the petition. Thirty-two of 50
houses or 64% on the north side where the sidewalk would be built signed the petition.
Twenty-three of 33 houses on the south side, 69%, also signed the petition.
There is unanimous concern in the neighborhood about speeding traffic. There is the
feeling of many of us that the increase in visual perception, which would be created by the
roadway shoulders, swale and sidewalk and the destruction of trees and bushes which
provide a sense of enclosure will result in more speeding and a less safe environment. There
is also a concern that any proposed sidewalk, which will end at the Village of Cayuga Heights
line, will result in a sidewalk to nowhere and dump people at the most dangerous portion of
the roadway, which is the top of the hill that leads down into the Heights. It leads down and
curves around. We are afraid there would be an additional danger when people try to cross
the road to get to the other side.
Supervisor Valentino – Excuse me, your three minutes are up. Could you just summarize?

Ms. Cowan – One more. We endorse the unanimously approved resolution of June 13th and
September 12th and respectfully request that you honor their provisions. We feel that the
project has the potential to alter the nature of our street for many years to come and we feel
strongly that those who actually live on the road and not those who use it to pass through
should have the greatest voice in decisions affecting our homes, our property and our
neighborhood. Thank you.

David Collum 1456 Hanshaw Road

David Collum, Cornell University, also 1456 Hanshaw Road. There are a lot of arguments
about sidewalks being made. I understand the idea of common good. The problem I have
with this particular plan is the people who stand to benefit from it, the people on Hanshaw
Road, are opposing it. They don’t want it. I think in recent months eminent domain has
gotten a black eye, big time. Ithaca is not unblemished in that category, in my opinion. I
think you guys should take special care to listen to the people who are supposed to get the
sidewalk. Now, the Warren Road model works fine by us. We have come forward and said
that on a number of occasion and public forums. I drive on Warren Road; I used to live on
Warren Road. I now live on Hanshaw. I think the sidewalk is somebody’s master plan. I
think somebody saw the money that the Feds got it and they deserve kudos for doing so, but
it smacks of we are from the government, we are here to help. We don’t want the help. Just
because the money can be spent, doesn’t mean that it should be spent. We really want a
more modest proposal and we think that it satisfies our needs and we are the ones who walk
on that road. We are the ones who live there. I think you should really dig deep and ask
yourselves why you want. If you want to make the case about safety, dig out some safety
records. Show us bicyclists who have been mowed over by cars. Show us pedestrians who
have been hit, but we are the ones who are going to bit. For some reason the safety reason
is more prominent than we think, but we don’t think it is. That is all I have to say.


Bernie Hutchins, 1016 Hanshaw Road

Yes, I am Bernie Hutchins. I live at 1016 Hanshaw Road. That is just on the north side, just
across from the tennis courts there. One of the first houses affected by this proposed
sidewalk. Being limited in time here, I didn’t realize that we were only going to have 3
minutes here, but at the moment we have just the 10 feet and the 4-foot shoulder. There is
no ditch; there is no swale; there is no storm sewer; we don’t need it. The reason that we
don’t need it is because the whole area there is all gravel. It is all gravel because courtesy of
the glacier when the glacier was returning home going north, it left…from an overflow channel
there are all kinds of…from the pond up there behind…in the Cornell’s Golf Course, both golf
courses, the cemetery and coming back around us it is all gravel. There is 10 or 12 feet or
more. I dug down 12 feet and I still find gravel. As a result, the water soaks in and goes
percolating down peacefully into Renwick Creek. We do not need any storm sewers. If you
build them, they will be dry or they will recollect ground water or they might temporarily
collect some surface water, but we don’t want to add to the surface water. Now since we
don’t need that, we don’t need the swale. If we don’t need the swale, then we don’t need the
extra 1.5 feet.

Since I may be running out of time here, I should mention that there is question in our
mind about how big the easement really is right now. When we asked the County, they say
well we don’t have the papers. They are unable to provide us with the papers that tell us
what the easement is at the moment. So we don’t know that it is 25. They say they assume
it is the County standard of 25, but we don’t have any reason to know that to be true.
What is their solution to this, since we don’t have it? In Jon Kanter’s memo here, we
find out what they did. They said they wanted the Town to put in a 5% match here and then it
says the County would control the right-of-way and the Town would need to obtain an
easement for the sidewalks. So they are saying it is up to you people. They are unable to
provide the easements. We have to see it. We have to see some form of paper that says we
have this right. Whatever needs to be done. So for those reasons, there is all the problems if
they take this extra 1.5 feet what is going to happen. We are going to have this extra mess,
the extra stuff taken down. The big weed whacker is going to be 1.5 wider. Most of, I think,
in just enlarging the shoulder it would be much easier maintenance for the Town because all
they would have to so is stick the bind plow a little more and it would be more acceptable to
the neighbors. Further, it would be exactly what the town resolutions already say that they
wanted.


Diane Feldman, 1404 Hanshaw Rd

Diane Feldman, 1404 Hanshaw Road. My concern about the sidewalks is…there was
suggestions made about making a pathway around trees instead of knocking down all the
trees, which I thought was a really good suggestion. The other thing is, is there a plan to do
other sidewalks in the neighborhood other than just making a sidewalk from Sapsuckers
Woods to Village of Cayuga Heights sign because having a sidewalk that leads to nowhere is
kind of pointless. But if there was a 5 or 10 year plan that said let’s connect Muriel Street and
Salem and all those other streets where people actually do walk and kids actually do walk to
Northeast Elementary School and the DeWitt Middle School because there is a path back
there. People do ride their bicycles back there. Has there been any thought in a
Comprehensive Plan to sidewalk the whole area without knocking down trees? Put in a
pathway where you don’t have to knock down trees.

I don’t think, me personally or my family, is against a sidewalk. It is the way that the
sidewalk is going to built. We were shown three plans that evening, which two were
immediately knocked out and everyone sort of focused on that third plan at our last meeting
and I wonder if there is some place in between those three plans to come up with a fourth or
a fifth plan if you want to accomplish the same task, which is to have people safe on a bike
path and people safe walking and cars not speeding on that road. I think there are other
ways to do it. Though, when I did speak to the people from the subcontracting company,
their first comment to me when I said why don’t you put the sewers underneath the bikeway,
they said it would cost too much money. When I asked that if you didn’t have to knock down
the trees and knock down the utility poles and knock down more land, what would be the cost
efforts be the two and they said, oh a lot. Well, to me, that is not really an answer. I think
that we should look at other options to see if we could accomplish the same goal without
destroying the trees and without upsetting all the neighbors in the community. I don’t know
all the neighbors. I met many of them that evening and I did ask a few neighbors who live on
Muriel Street and Salem, they were all gung ho for knocking down 15 feet of property on
Hanshaw Road, but when I asked them how would you feel about knocking 15 feet of all of
your trees that block the noise on the street, that block out all different things, they weren’t so
quick to say let’s put a sidewalk up on their street. Hanshaw Road doesn’t affect them
personally.

So, not that they shouldn’t be considered, but I think it should be weighted on the
people who are most affected by what it is going to do to their property and noise in their area
and the pollution in their area and so forth. Thank you.


Gary Turton, 1027 Hanshaw Road

My name is Gary Turton and my wife and I, Carol, live at 1027 Hanshaw Road and have lived
there for the last 23 years. Primarily the reason that we are here tonight is to cast our vote
against sidewalks consistent with many of the folks who have spoken and cast a vote for the
Warren Road model, which seems to work well. I talked to some of my friends over there
that live there and they are very happy with it. I have been a jogger myself for the last 23
years and have ran on Hanshaw and Warren and it’s been fine. From an economic and from
a practicality sense, it seems like the Warren Road model is very sufficient. Thank you of the
opportunity to speak to you.


Erica Jessup, 1442 Hanshaw Road

Ms. Jessup read from a prepared statement. Please See Attachment # 4


John Yale, 1021 Hanshaw Road

Thank you. My name is John Yale, I live at 1021 Hanshaw Road, it’s the south side of the
road, and I’m here because even though our property would be less impacted than others
along Hanshaw road, I still believe there are some basic problems with the project that we
would like to address.

I am against sidewalks primarily more for a reason that we’re already talking about a
project that could very well end up with the problem of creepage. When I say that, the extent
of the project – the first two options that were considered in there were well over the budget.
The last option was only $100,000 over. We’re starting to push the envelope on that. The
footprint of the roadway itself is being expanded by the sidewalk. In other words, the
sidewalk is on the outer boundary of that right of way limits, we’re talking about the extra foot
and a half that’s needed. We’re talking about contingencies or deviations that are going to be
required: the state wanting 12 foot wide roadways, or lanes, and we can probably do 11 and
maybe even 10. We propose 10.

What I’m talking about here is the concern that we’re already into a project that is
basically touching the envelope, and we’re starting to look at deviations. Over the next year
or year and a half it’s very conceivable that in project work could very well, I know
contingencies have been built in. I am very concerned that creepage in other issues may
come up and there are going to have to be decisions made, they are going to basically have
to be very quickly, and they aren’t going to be able to be made what I’ll call realistically
because the boundaries are already set at the limit. Without the sidewalk, you move in a
number of feet. You don’t have to worry about the foot and a half, which could become
another two and a half or three feet. You don’t have to worry about getting that property from
the homeowners on the north side or the south, and basically what you’re coming down to is
we’ve got the envelope so filled up now, that if we really look back at the plan we’re talking
about and using the Warren Road model, takes you back into a very nice set of boundaries
that you can work with and you do have some contingency in there where things can be
moved as required and expanded. It also gives you the possibility, without a sidewalk there,
you can’t do other things with the road, but maybe better that you use an extra two feet on
the side of the road than actually build it up with 8 feet on either side of the road for a
sidewalk, or, I’m sorry, on the one side of the road. That’s my basic concern is that the
project is already at it’s boundaries and knowing how these things go we very well could run
into a problem with we have to expand that more. I’d rather just see it built back into a nice
footprint that we can handle and we know we’ve got some room to do some things with.


Carmen Lorallo, 1444 Hanshaw Road

Good evening, my name is Carmen Lorallo, I’m at 1444 Hanshaw. Thank you for giving us
the opportunity to talk about this. I agree with everything my neighbors said about the
sidewalk. We basically do not want a sidewalk. But I wanted to bring up another issue that I
think appeared in the initial resolution of the Town Board when you started talking about the
Hanshaw Road rehabilitation, which included some kind of traffic calming measures, which
none of us have seen explicitly mentioned in the plans for the rehabilitation. We were told at
the September 29 meeting that the new layout with the sidewalk and the bikewalk and no
swale would actually give the impression of more neighborhood type surrounding which
would discourage motorists from speeding. Respectfully, I don’t believe so. I think as drivers
we drive as fast as the footprint of the road allows us to do, and having the sidewalks will not
necessarily make the motorists decrease the speed because they won’t have anyone to
worry about, they will drive as much as the road will allow them to do, so please do keep this
in mind, and we are thinking of maybe having the double line in the center of the road that will
not allow cars to take over, because now the speed limit is 40 miles per hour, but if one car
drives at 40, and then somebody else wants to take over, the speed will be much higher, and
we are affected regularly by this. Our property is between Salem and Sapsucker and you
should see and hear the cars there, at moments of the day, they are racing. So the speed is
very high actually in certain moments, and I don’t see this decreasing with the plans that have
been put forward for now. Thank you very much.
Supervisor Valentino – Is there anyone else who would like to speak? OK, thank you very
much for your comments tonight. You’ve handed in some written information. All your
statements will be transcribed and will be available for Town Board Members and other
people to read them over again and look at them more closely. I think you made a lot of
thoughtful and very good points for us to take into consideration. I wanted to say that we still
have quite a long ways to go in this project, as you know. I don’t know if any of you have had
your individual meetings yet with the consultant, they haven’t come back. I know that’s
supposed to take place.

One of the things that some of the board members and myself have talked about is
doing a field trip, that we should organize a field trip for the Town Board members for us to
come out, advertise the time that we’re going to be there so if some of you folks want to meet
with us then or show us special features or trees and things that we really need to look at and
protect that we would be coming out to look at that. Hopefully we could also contact the
consultant so that maybe they can also be available for this kind of walk around and look at
what the needs are for the community. So, there still is a good amount of time because the
consultants haven’t come back after hearing and talking to people what their next proposal is
going to be, so I think that we need to keep all of you folks in the loop and come out and have
that meeting and make sure that every step of the way on this project that you get a chance
to have input and help us with the decision that has to be made. Peter?

Councilman Stein – I’d like to ask a question to almost anybody because there was
something that came up that I wondered about. Let me ask David Collum because I know
him. The so-called… I live behind the Northeast School and I walk to Cornell pretty regularly
and you talked about the Warren Road model. I am scared to walk on Warren Road; walking
on the shoulders of Warren Road it takes a gutsy guy to do that. The difference between
walking on Warren Road and Pleasant Grove Road is like night and day because Pleasant
Grove Road has a sidewalk back there. And I hear what you’re saying, but the way you
talk… I don’t honestly believe that Warren Road offers a safe route for pedestrians to walk in
that particular direction, and I wonder if someone would like to comment on that.

Supervisor Valentino – Peter, I’m going to let this one go, but I said specifically in the
beginning for us not to engage in…

Councilman Stein – I thought you meant while they were talking, I thought there would be a
time afterwards.

Supervisor Valentino – Right, but I think a lot of questions that we might pose can be
answered by the staff because I want to be careful how we do this. You put your question
specifically to this gentleman; do you care to make a comment about that? You have to
come up to the speaker again.
Mr. Collum – Peter, it’s a trade off. There’s no question that a walk or a sidewalks are the
best options. It has to do with what we give up to have the sidewalk. As I drive down Warren
Road and I look at the Warren Road model, which has no picked up a name. I think if I were
to grand Pooh-Bah this whole operation, I would probably put another foot on the road on
each side to make it safer. I also would walk against traffic rather than walk with traffic. And
we have talked about this off and on, and we are the ones that use it and we have decided
that when you weigh the different factors against each other… I personally really violently
oppose taking responsibility for a sidewalk. I’m backed with a great example. If it was winter
right now, I don’t know if I would go and get a shovel and I don’t want the responsibility. I
most definitely don’t want some Town that has some vision for my road that isn’t shared by
us, telling me that by the way, you are going to live by our vision even though you don’t share
it. I think that’s stepping over the dotted line that is more profound than the dotted line along
the road. There is the responsibility, there is the legal responsibility, there is the maintenance
responsibility. If it becomes our responsibility, there are some horror stories out there about
when maintenance time comes; the sidewalk has to be maintained by the owner. The bills
can get huge, and I’m going to be on the evening news if this shows. This is going to get
butt-ugly as far as I’m concerned. I don’t want it, and the other people don’t want it. We’ve
looked at, we walk it, it is almost not relevant in the sense that the people who would most
benefit and the people who are most impacted have weighed it and say that we don’t want it,
 right? It seems pretty clear to me. And since it leads to nowhere, the common good
argument falls apart, if it led down to Community Corners.

Supervisor Valentino – Sir. Do you feel your question was answered, Peter?

Councilman Stein – Yes.

Supervisor Valentino – OK. This gentleman over here, I saw you raise your hand and you
haven’t spoken at all yet tonight. You’ve got to come up front, sir.

Pete Romani, 1466 Hanshaw Road
My name is Pete Romani I live at 1466 Hanshaw Road; I’m the first house in the Town of
Ithaca from Dryden. I would like to maybe make an invitation for you to come into my
driveway and watch the snowplows come around the corner and drop everything in my front
driveway. I can see another sidewalk across there, no way. I would also like to have you
come down to my driveway and park and watch the cars come by at 50 miles an hour. By
the time they get to Salem they slow down a little bit. So that’s my issue, walking on
Hanshaw would be very dangerous, but the sidewalk too, because the cars are first of all
speeding, now they’re going to speed even more because the road is nice and clear, and
nice and straight, no bumps, now some of the holes actually stop cars from speeding. When
it’s nice and clean it will be nice for speeders. That’s what I have to say.

Supervisor Valentino – You spoke once.

Woman in audience asks to respond to Councilman Stein’s question.
Supervisor Valentino – To Peter’s question? Yes, please come back up front.

Woman –

It’s interesting that you ask that question because as I was driving on Pleasant Grove
Road, I did notice that there are sidewalks there and I was rather pleased that there were
sidewalks there. But if you look at the distance between the centerline of that road and
where the sidewalk is, there’s a huge difference between the distance between the centerline
and that sidewalk and what they are proposing to do on Hanshaw Road. That is a much
narrower sidewalk than they are proposing. They are not putting the swale or the bikeway on
that road. So, yes, the sidewalk is lovely on Pleasant Glove Road, but you’re talking maybe 7
to 10 feet, here you’re talking 15-20 feet I think is a huge difference. There are no trees that
were knocked down on Pleasant Grove Road, and here you are asking for trees to be
knocked down. So I agree that yes, sidewalks on Pleasant Grove are very nice and it would
be very nice to have them on Hanshaw Road, but I think the issue is the plan that they are
trying to come up with to accomplish that.

Supervisor Valentino – Thank you. I don’t really want to go all the way around again. I think
Peter’s question has been answered. This lady hasn’t spoken yet, so I want to give people
that haven’t had the chance to speak to speak, please.


Carol Turton, 1027 Hanshaw Rd

My name is Carol Turton; I live at 1027 Hanshaw Road. My only comment on this is that I
don’t understand why when the whole neighborhood does not want this, why we need to
have it. I mean, people who don’t live there are saying well you need to have this. I don’t
think any of you folks would like to see the trees taken down in front of your houses. Take a
trip along Hanshaw and just observe the beauty of the road. It’s a thoroughfare, but the
trees, everything about it, it’s a neighborhood, and I don’t think any of you would want that
done to your neighborhood.

Supervisor Valentino – Thank you. OK, I think have we pretty heard. Herb?
Councilman Engman
(C) TOWN BOARD MEETING JANUARY 26, 2006
Barbara Apt, 1436 Hanshaw Road

I want to say that this whole process has built a lot of confidence for me in these gentlemen.
They did a great job. They clearly listened and accommodated, worked with our areas of
concern, especially the traffic calming, the less impact, and also making it safer for all the
people who are using this road as a non-car use. I believe as a community we felt that the
safety issue was huge, including the traffic calming. So I want to thank you. You really
listened. They worked with and around everything we brought up. I love the walkway. I think
when it comes to a decision between altruism and self-interest, especially where a question
of safety is concerned, I’m happy to give up, I will be one of the people most likely giving up a
little bit of my front yard and I’m happy to do that to increase the safety of pedestrians and
bikers on our roadway. Also, I’d like to propose that people look at Cayuga Heights and their
little walkways. Doesn’t that improve their neighborhood? Don’t people slow down? I know
the Cayuga Height polices are also…which we would love to have on our section as well.
The stop signs, also if we could look at the stop signs along the way. We would like to
encourage corridor use of Route 13, but I’m very happy with what they’ve done. And for the
little bit of extra space and from the work that they’ve done, they’re willing to work around our
old tree and everybody’s stuff. I’ve just been very happy with the whole process. I’m going to
encourage you and everybody to say in the interest of pedestrian safety, everybody, the high
school cross country team runs up the road, it’s worth it to give up a little bit of property. I’m
happy to do it.
Thank you.


Klaus Beyenbauch, 1024 Hanshaw Road

I’m not in the habit of expressing displeasure. I don’t do it very often, but I’m going to try to
be nice about it. I’ve been very much troubled about the process. We’ve had many
community meetings about it. The concerns of the community are well known. A petition has
been submitted. We haven’t heard a response to that petition. The petition is against the
sidewalk. I have difficulty finding the responsible party. I have talked to you, I have talked to
Mr. Lampman, and indeed my meetings with all of you have been very cordial but I’m not
getting real answers. And I’ve written letters to officials’ associates and I’ve gotten no reply. I
really don’t know who make this decision, but I get the impression that there’s some money
out there that the Town and the County can get and in order to get this money we must have
separate gutters and sidewalk and a shoulder in addition to a driving surface. Now my wife
and I we walk and I bicycle whenever I have a chance weather permitting. So for my
purposes of walking up and down Hanshaw Road and bicycling that’s plenty, it’s adequate.
And the present surfaces that are available are adequate to accommodate a gutter and a
 shoulder and a walkway, you don’t have to extend into our properties and take frontage away
from us. The issue of right of way has not been settled in our case, but I don’t want to
concern my particular case. The point is that other roads, in particular the roads leading to
Cornell, Warren Road and Pleasant Grove, they need much more of a shoulder and much
more of a bicycle lane than Hanshaw Road does. And I’m reminded here of a Russian
saying “you’re building bridges along the river and not across the river”. Questions I have
also is about property devaluation. About equity. Why are some residents asked to give up
property and others are not? Why does the walkway have to meander in and out? In closing
I’ll say lights are needed on Hanshaw Road, even for the present circumstances.


Bernard Hutchins, 1016 Hanshaw Road

The first point I want to make is that there is a resolution of June 13, 2005 by this Board
unanimously approved that said, made it very simple, the sidewalk issue is very simple;
sidewalks would be included when wanted by the majority of adjoining residences. That
means to me, adjoining means touching. People who are losing land, who are losing
vegetation, and who are losing their privacy. There was an original petition that went around.
There’s about 50 of us that are in that position of being adjoining. We talked to about 34 of
them and 32 of them said, “no”. There was a Town Board meeting of October 17, you folks
were here, 20 out of 20 people who spoke said, “no”. You’ve received emails this week of
people who said, “no”. At this meeting for the first time I’ve heard one person who said,
“yes”. That’s the first person I know of. The point is in protecting our property rights we have
relied upon the Town of Ithaca to honor it’s resolution. The resolution is still in effect. If you
want to ask us our opinion, if you want to give a poll, which you said you would do, which you
haven’t. We’ve tried our best to do that. We’ve done it by the petition and we’ve done it by
coming to these meetings and we’re going to do it again tonight. We’ve said, “no”. So that’s
the answer to that question so I’m no sure why we are here. In regard to the right of way,
they don’t have the right of way they said. I have received no response from Mr. Wood at the
County. This was true on December 12 it is true today. As Mr. Lampman says they have this
evidence. Bring it forth. Show where their right of way is. They have not done that. So
those are the two main issues. One with the County. Or with the Town, why are we talking
to them when we haven’t dealt with the issue of whether you’re getting rid of that resolution or
not. I understand that resolution is still in effect. Why are we ignoring it? We’re not ignoring
it. We read it. We relied upon it. We expect the Town to do that. With respect to the right of
way, I just want to pass around, I made some copies of this, it’s an article by Joel Yegna,
Town of Danby Board. He quotes the former chief council of the Department of
Transportation, Mr. Darrell Harple, on this very issue of the right of way what it is on these
roads where it is only a use right of way. I sent it to Supervisor Valentino. I sent it to Jon
Kanter, but I’m not sure the rest of you have seen it so I made a whole bunch.


Mr. Van de Poel, 1106 Hanshaw Road

I want to commend the people from the Town of Ithaca for their excellent drawings and also
for the work that they are doing on this project, which for the people that live in that
immediate area is a very important project. However, I had looked at this drawing now for the
third time and I cannot escape the notion that something is missing in that drawing. If I had a
felt pen and would have draw in an additional feature of this project, the first thing I would do
is with a blue felt pen I would draw the river that runs along Hanshaw Road. I call it a river,
the actual name I think is Renwick Brook. It does not show on this map here and therefore I
think that not enough attention is being paid to the existence of this river, I will call it a river
 because if you look at it at the right time it looks like a river. Now let me give you a little
historical example. When the Nazis marched up to the British Channel after having invaded
Holland, I happen to be from Holland and Holland is a Country that has a lot of business with
water as most of you know. It’s very difficult to win a battle with water. When the Nazis
reached the coast of the British Channel, this is part of the Atlantic, although what they
sought was the way to England, they arrived past the latest city of the Hague at the coastline
where we had at that time, and today still have, called a million dollar pier like you have in
Atlantic City. It sticks out into [inaudible] after they built…
Supervisor Valentino notes that Mr. Van der Poel’s time is up and asks him to summarize.
Mr. Van de Poel
Just a final statement, which is that the Germans, the Nazi’s I emphasize, made one
observation, “by golly we are too late, they blew the bridge to England”.


Rick Almandinger, 1414 Hanshaw Road

I’m strongly in favor of the walkway. I think it’s a matter of safety. Many people walk up that
road after dark at night, in snowy weather and it’s very poor visibility. Very dangerous. There
are also school children who walk along the road and they need the extra safety that a
walkway would provide. So I’m strongly in favor of it. I would like to see the plan as it
appears to have guarded the large trees and so on, but I think the walkway is a wonderful
idea. One final thing I would like to say is we’ve talked some about traffic calming during this
meeting. One obvious traffic calming measure, which I realize, is not totally the bailiwick of
this group is to reduce the speed limit along that section of Hanshaw. The speed limit
between Warren, well east of Warren Road if 20 miles per hour. The speed limit from Warren
to the Village is 30 miles per hour. I personally would like to see that reduced to 30 miles an
hour at least as far east as Salem, preferably as far east as Sapsucker Woods. Several
years ago a petition was circulated among people who lived along the road to lower the
speed limit to 30 miles per hour. 100% of the residents signed that petition. It was turned
over, I believe to the Town, although I don’t remember exactly who it was. As far as I know
nothing every happened to that. So, in addition to the walkway and additional traffic calming
measure I would like to see would be to lower the speed limit.

Supervisor Valentino explained the process for lowering a speed limit within the Town.


Diane Feldman, 1404 Hanshaw Road

First I would just like to say I didn’t see the map that was handed out today until everybody
else did today and I was surprised to see that both scenarios actually did have a sidewalk in
and I thought one of them was supposed to not have a sidewalk in. So I was a little bit
surprised at that. I think we do need sidewalks. I just am not sure they should be done the
way they are being presented. I think widening the roadway; the perception is that people will
drive slower. The reality is that people don’t drive slower on a wider roadway. People see
open spaces, less trees; they tend to drive more quickly. And if you stand there on Hanshaw
Road from where Hanshaw Road starts all the way down, you will se cars doing 40 and 50
and 60 miles an hours through the Village, which is a 30-mile an hour speed limit. On my
stretch, which is between Warren and Salem, it’s 40 and they’re doing 50 to 60 miles an
hours. The other thing is I heard tonight for the first time we were going to stop now the
sidewalk on Salem, which surprised me because the original conversations where words like
community and neighborhood were discussed as well as safety, now you’re making the
sidewalk even smaller and to call it, to say you’re using it for community and neighborhood, I
think that sort of takes away from that. I was surprised that we went from all the way down to
Sapsucker to now Salem. Not hearing that before I was just a little bit surprised this evening.
Again my house is set way back off the road. I’ll lose frontage, but there are a lot of people
who are going to lose a lot more than I would lose where buses will be very close to their
houses. Even if you planted trees they’re not going to grow enough to ease the noise, ease
the pollution from the buses now that the exhaust is on the top of the buses. I think a lot of
people who live much closer to the road than I will be are way more impacted by this. I think
there are ways to put the sidewalk in and put the drainage underneath the bike lane. I think
that will be less invasive to people, and I think it will be just as safe as the way it’s being
presented now. I just think we toss words around very easily, neighborhood, community,
safety, but I don’t think we really look at all of those things when we do that. Thank you very
much.


Erica Jessup, 1442 Hanshaw Road

I would also like to say that I’ve been really unexpectedly pleased by the representative from
Tompkins County and by this Board for hearing the concerns that I have as well as my
neighbors. I share my property with the old oak tree. I initially had concerns about the
walkway. I am, at this point, satisfied because of the revisions that the County was willing to
make to the size of the driving lanes and the shoulders and the fact that the Town of Ithaca
may be willing to take it as a walkway rather than inflicting a sidewalk upon me as a private
property owner. I’m very much in favor of it and I wanted to just make that clear. Thank you.


John Yaley, 1021 Hanshaw Road

I live on the south side of the road and there is almost little or no impact to our property. Part
of those concerns I still had was that basically I’m opposed to the sidewalks only because of
the complexity it adds to the project. I keep looking at it and saying there are a number of
questions that I don’t believe have been answered as far as actually the property rights of the
individuals involved. The right of those who are directly adjoining this property and how much
say they are having in this. There does seem to be, whether it’s still a $100,000 variance,
where’s that money actually coming from. Under the best conditions we pay $17,000 or the
Town does. I don’t know what the worst conditions are. I just believe without the sidewalks,
although it would be a nice thing to have, I agree with that and I appreciate the concerns of
those people who have said that they are for sidewalks. I just look at it and say to myself
there are too many concerns that we have. I believe there are too many disruptions, possible
deviations, variances, and things like that are actually going to cause problems down the
road in actually implementing this project. I believe we have a greater need for the speed
abatement in the safety issues. I would like to see the time, money and effort put into those
that we put into talking about sidewalks. Sidewalks are important. I believe the bigger issues
have been raised and I believe at this point it’s time to divert the money, planning, and time
from sidewalks into the actually speed abatement and things we could do to improve it.
Actually things like lighting have come up. The other thing is, the speed limits, I think we all
know is a matter of enforcement. I believe there are technical ways of probably reducing that
as well a non-separated walkway if you will. I believe there are technical ways of doing
things like that. I would just like to see the time, money, and effort put into those things and
make the decision on the sidewalks now either we do or we don’t.


Bob Venables, 111Blackstone Avenue

I would just like to say that although I think safety is an issue, I think Warren Road is more
important and I also think you’re building a bridge to nowhere. It’s going to be very safe for
people in short term, short distance walks. I’m the person that wrote the question about the
hill. If you cannot solve a wider space where snow isn’t going to go up and go over that road
you are not going to be able to walk down that path. Until you resolve that end of this
walkway you are building a bridge to nowhere. You will be wasting the money. Thank you
very much.


Celeste Petak, 1018 Hanshaw Road

I’d just like to say I wasn’t available to meet with Mr. Lampman or anybody else when they
came to the site and talked about the property, but I know my neighbor and my husband had
vocalized concern about our fence and that they wanted to move our fence back about a foot.
On the other side of that fence we have a beautiful crab apple tree and a couple other
plantings and I’m concerned about moving the fence. And I’m also concerned about when
they plow the walkway what it will do to our nice wooden picket fence. I have not heard
anything back regarding any changes to the plan in front of our property regarding those
items.


Deborah Cowen, 1022 Hanshaw Road

A couple points I wanted to make. I do agree with the gentleman about the sidewalk to
nowhere. It has been a big concern for us. As Diane said, if you’re talking about community
and safety and you’re chopping off an area perhaps from Salem on, and you definitely have
always not had that ability to extend the sidewalk into Community Corners. It’s a big concern
that it just ends. We don’t have the assurances. One other thing, I think people over time
have become more comforted with the idea that the sidewalk will be extended at some day
into Community Corners and that there has been word from the Town that you will take care
of, maintain, and repair the sidewalks. But we don’t have, we’ve had some verbal assurance,
but I, we need to be sure and I haven’t yet heard any way, and perhaps that’s coming, that
there is going to be some kind of real guarantee that the maintenance, repair, and liability will
be assumed and that will be assumed not only now or this year but in the future and that it
won’t be impacted when the Board changes or a tax situation changes or revenue situations
change. I’m also not terribly assured, it might be nice to say that we will be getting money
from the federal government or the state but given the economic climate who can really say
that that is going to happen. And who can say that Cayuga Heights is, with their problems
and difficulties now in taking care of their own roadways and repair, that that’s going to be a
priority for them. In what year and ion what time and how long might we wait or might it be a
situation where it is just going to be weedy and abandoned because no one has that priority
or that ability to do it. Part of my concern is that it’s nice to hear the rosy picture, but we
really need something concrete and I think that a lot of the change, and there have been
some changes in people’s positions here who have spoken favorably tonight because I think
they have been reassured but maybe I’m slightly more cynical, or slightly more pessimistic.
So I would like to hear something more firm before we proceed and commit to the sidewalk or
walkway.

There was no one from the public to address the Board and Supervisor Valentino brought the
discussion back to the Board.
(D) Meeting 4, DeWitt Cafeteria, March 2007



The following two statements were made at the March 27, 2007
Public Meeting sponsored by the Tompkins County Highway Dept in
Dewitt School. This is the last time the public has had an opportunity
to provide information to the TCHD. These are from a massive
Appendix L of the Final Design Report, August 28, 2007, available at:

   http://www.tompkins-co.org/highway/HanshawFDRAppendix-082807.pdf




Bernie Hutchins:
        Yes. Bernie Hutchins, 1016 Hanshaw Road. Like Gary, I'm concerned about the
fact that you did these sidewalks in the first place. I've made no secret; we've been
opposed to the idea of the sidewalks. The sidewalks should not be there, because
they're not wanted by the majority of the adjoining residents (Male in Audience, that's
not true). No, wait a minute, don't jump the gun here. That wording is the Town of
Ithaca's. They said in June of 2005 that the sidewalks would be included if they were
wanted by the majority of the adjoining residents. By a nearly unanimous petition in
September of 2005, we indicated that we did not want them, I believe it was probably
65 to 2, or 70 to 2, or something like that. At that same meeting, in this same building,
right in the same room, Cathy Valentino stood up and said, "We can rescind that
Resolution," They did. In January of 2006, the Town Board rescinded the Resolution
giving the homeowners the right to vote. They cancelled the vote, they rescinded the
right, if you can believe that. Peter Stein, I must say, voted against that idea, and we're
very pleased about that idea. Now, some people, and somebody here just decided that
they changed their mind. Yes, that's probably true. There's certainly people that have
probably changed their mind. But, it is not too late to vote, again. The County knows
how to get a hold of us. They can ask the people, “Do you really want these
sidewalks?”7 You did not, do you really want them now? They know how to contact us.
They get the tax bills to us, don't they? Okay, so my feeling is that even if you must go
ahead with these sidewalks, it should be indicated in your plan that the people were
opposed, and that the Town (of Ithaca) went against the people's vote, their survey,
and that I think that should be in the report. The report does show the Resolution, a
part of the Town, but it does not say why that was necessary. The reason it was
necessary is because the Town cancelled our right. And, I think we're not very happy
about that. I don't know why we should be.




David Collum:
         I'm David Collum 1456 Hanshaw Road. I'm thrilled it’s not making it to my
house. And, I'm dying to do this pole, maybe you can move the camera and catch it on
camera, I’d like to do a straw vote here, because everyone's saying what everyone else is
thinking. So what I’d like to do is to break into two pieces, if this is okay. The first vote I’d
like to do is to have people vote whether they want the thing or not, who am directly
impacted. Not those who think it would be a comfortable thing to have and if they think
they'll use it. Those people are relevant, but first, I want to see just a vote of those people
which the sidewalk will somehow hit their property. Then, what I want to do is have a vote
of, we can either have everyone, or the people who intend to use it, who are not going
to be directly impacted, but certainly will benefit from it. Does everyone understand?
So the first vote is those, so if you're doing a term paper, you don’t get to vote, just for the
record, okay? So, the first vote, and I need to see a show of hands (Female in Audience
asked him a question). If it's going to hit your property with the sidewalk, now, I can't vote,
it's not going to hit my property anymore. (Female in Audience: …if it doesn't actually hit
your property, it's just in the right-of-way?) If you consider it to directly impact you, not in
terms of convenience or inconvenience, but somehow it will impact you directly, you be
more (Female in Audience: But if it's not hitting some people's property, it's just in the
right-of-way.) Well that's fine, as long as you (Female in Audience: Do they get to vote?)
You get to vote, yeah. The first group, I'd like to, who consider it a direct impact, I'd like to
see a show of hands of those who will be directly impacted, who support it Show your
hands. So, we’ve got, by my count, is that five? Okay, now, lets see a show of hands for
those people who it will directly impact them, who oppose it. How many is that, guys,
give me a guess over there. What's that? Wow; it looks like the community doesn't give
a damn meeting tonight, okay? (John Lampman: 15) So, I'd call that 20, is that fair? (John
Lampman: 15 to 20) You guys put your hands down. Okay, now, there's a bunch of people
here who want a sidewalk, who'll be coming off the Salem area and wanna get to Cayuga
Heights. So, those who are not directly impacted, but intend to use the sidewalk, I'd like to
see a show of hands, now. Let's see what happens here. Those who want the sidewalk,
let's see it. Now, don't forget, you can vote for your neighbors; and oppose it. That's
about 20? (Audience member: 25) 22 we've got here, we've got a term paper writer who
says 22. Okay, those who, out of apparent sympathy, I guess, who oppose it? Okay, we've
got, we got, we got, well you actually arc directly impacted, anyway. We got, you're on it,
thought, right? (Male: No) No, you're not. Oh, you're on the other side. We got, oh,
yeah, you're on the other side, yeah, yeah, yeah, (Male in audience: No double voting.) No
double voting, 1 get about 5 off of that (Audience: 4). 4, it's kind of a toss-up, right? Do
what you want with it, I don't know what you want, (Audience applause.)
(E) LETTER, ITHACA JOURNAL, APRIL 6, 2007

No support for sidewalks
When members of the Ithaca Town Board urge citizens to get out and vote, be
certain to ask them the outcome they want, otherwise they may choose to
overrule your vote.

On June 13, 2005, the board passed a resolution with regard to including
sidewalks in plans for improvements to Hanshaw Road "when wanted by a
majority of the adjoining residents." By petition presented to the town in
September of 2005, the "adjoining residents" overwhelmingly (94 percent) voted
against sidewalks, an opinion reiterated at the Oct. 17, 2005 board meeting when
14 of 14 residents spoke against sidewalks.

At a Jan. 26, 2006 meeting, eight of 11 residents spoke against sidewalks, but the
Town Board passed a new resolution (already written and printed!) supporting
sidewalk inclusion, specifically rescinding the June 2005 resolution, canceling the
right to vote (Peter Stein voted no).


That the adjoining residents have not changed their minds was dramatically
demonstrated at the recent March 27, Tompkins County Highway hearing at the
DeWitt School where a show of hands (initiated by a savvy resident) showed the
"impacted” (adjoining) residents were opposed, 20 to 5, to the plan presented
there.
A follow-up vote of the persons in attendance who were not impacted was almost
exactly the opposite. In this case, the "in favor" hands bizarrely included those of at
least two town board members, who had voted to rescind the residents' rights! This
was videotaped by the county, and the other facts appear in the Ithaca Town Board
minutes.
Bernie Hutchins

				
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