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									                               Government Skills Australia
                                DRAFT MEETING NOTES

Meeting                       Certificate IV Hydrography Review Project Steering Committee

Date/Time                     Monday 18 & Tuesday 19 February 2008

Venue                         Centre for Learning Innovation, Strathfield

Accommodation                 Oaks Harmony Apartments

Author/Proponent              Chair : Kim Peterson

Status                        DRAFT

Attending                     Michael Briggs, Mic Clayton, Paul Langshaw, Prue Madsen, Greg May, Graham
                              Parsons, Kim Peterson, Ian White.
                              Apologies: Bill Steen, Alex Springall.

    1. Welcome and Introductions

Member           Position                                                   Organisation
Michael Briggs   National Operations Manager                                Thiess Services Pty Ltd
Mic Clayton      Coordinating Hydrographer                                  Snowy Hydro
Paul Langshaw    National Hydrographic Training & Education Coordinator     AHA & Bureau of Meteorology
Prue Madsen      Water Industry Liaison Officer                             Government Skills Australia
Greg May         Principal WRO (Hydrography)                                WA Department of Water
Graham Parsons   State Hydrometric Manager                                  NSW Department of Water & Energy
Kim Peterson     Program Manager, Chemical & Environmental Industries       TAFE NSW
Ian White        Principal Policy Officer – Water Monitoring                QLD Dept Natural Resources and Water

    2. Confirmation/revision of agenda

    3. Background to Hydrography training

    Kim: noted that the training, provided nationally by OTEN, used the NSW accredited course 3573
    Certificate IV in Hydrography. This course had been developed following a request from the water
    industry with much input from AHA members in both curriculum and resource development. Its
    accreditation ran out on 31.12.07 and this coincided with the endorsement of NWP07.

    The expectation was that 3573 would be subsumed into the Certificate IV in NWP07. It was thought that
    the 7 units of competency developed during the review of NWP01 (and its evolution into NWP07) would
    meet the needs of industry as members of the industry across the country had been involved in unit
    writing for hydrometric measurement. As NWP07 neared endorsement it became clear that it did not
    meet hydrography industry requirements and the AHA requested that 3573 have its accreditation period
    extended for at least one year.

    The TAFE NSW Accreditation Council granted a one year extension. Kim explained that there would
    probably not be another extension for 3573. There is a requirement to review the course at least every 5
    years. Also, there is now a further requirement is that all courses that are revised or developed (Training
    Package or accredited) must be developed in units of competency, and not modules. This does not
    prevent the modules from being used (and revised/updated) as learning and assessment resources for
    delivery. One possible (maybe „ideal‟ to some) outcome is the development of Hydrography units that
    cover all that is required and map perfectly to the existing modules (for 3573). Practically, the current
    OTEN resources will still provide a useful learning pathway for whatever new course/qualification that is
    developed, even without modification.

    The options available are to either redevelop the course with TAFE NSW (or some other provider) as a
    State accredited course (bearing in mind that it would have to be in units of competency) or to work with
    GSA to incorporate the required qualifications into NWP07.

   Paul then outlined the current position of the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM), which, under the
   requirements of the new Water Act 2007, had a greatly expanded role in relation to collection and
   analysis of water cycle data. This will require more staff and more training. The BOM is particularly
   interested in fostering accelerated training and a variety of training pathways. The BOM wants AHA to
   take a lead role in specifying, promoting and sourcing appropriate training. The current OTEN training, or
   its equivalent, particularly if it could be delivered in a shorter time, is supported by AHA and so would be
   looked upon favourably by the BOM. Kim explained that the current average time for the course by
   distance education (DE) was about 4 years, but that this was dictated by the learner (partly in
   conjunction with the learner‟s workplace) and that there is potential for significantly reducing this time
   (typical Certificate IVs take 1 year of full time or 2 years of part time study).

   4. Overview of NWP07 Water Training Package

   Prue gave an outline of the Package and its review. She explained the limitations of the review process
   and that a system of continuous improvement was now in place. The process was there to ensure that
   industry got the training that they needed, not what a provider wanted to offer them. The new package
   was far more flexible than earlier versions and there is wider industry coverage, which has been
   reflected in the name change from “Water Industry Training Package” to “Water Training Package”.

   GSA certainly see‟s Hydrography as coming under the umbrella of the Water Training Package and that
   process had already started with the inclusion of new hydrometric units in the current version of NWP07.
   Prue noted, that as Kim had already commented, that GSA thought that NWP07 had met the needs of
   the hydrography sector, but that now it was very clear that this was not the case and that this committee
   has the job of ensuring that NWP07version2 does truly meet industry needs. GSA has bee heartened to
   see the enthusiasm and commitment from the hydrography sector from around Australia and thanks you
   all for making your time and expertise available for this project.

   5. Application of NWP07 to Hydrography
         a. Current situation: covered in discussion above (and elsewhere). Some additional
                  1. NWP07 has the one structure for Certificate IV: 2 core units on OHS and
                      environment, plus 7 electives (which could include up to 2 NWP units from level 3,
                      up to 3 units from level 5 in NWP07 and up to 3 units from other Training Packages
                      at level 3 or 4).
                  2. There was some discussion about the suitability of the core for hydrography, but it
                      was agreed that core would be satisfactory, once it was explained that this was a
                      common structure in NWP07 and its predecessor, and that a unit is not necessarily
                      delivered as a stand-alone “module” but may be integrated into a total delivery
                      strategy. OHS, for example, can be integrated with most tasks/functions/operations
                      in the water industry.
         b. Identification of satisfactory units: All units require a re-examination.
         c. Identification of units which require revision:
             NWP340A – revision
             NWP341A to be combined with NWP342A
             NWP437A – revision
             NWP438A – rename; revise; remove rating curves
         d. Identify gaps:
                  1. Rating curves – new unit: NWP439A Develop and maintain rating curves
                  2. Hydraulics and channel flow – new unit: NWP4xxA Apply principles of hydraulics to
                      pipe and channel flow (capture outcomes/competencies from 2991B, 2991AU &
                  3. Water quality – new unit: Monitor water quality in urban and rural catchments
                  4. Atmospheric physics and hydrology – new unit: Collect and evaluate hydro-
                      meteorological data (capture outcomes/competencies from 8004R, 8004S, 8004X &
                  5. Water Industry Instrumentation – new unit to capture outcomes/competencies from
                      8004F & 8004G)
         e. Qualifications and packaging rules: Sample training plans will need to be trialled to
             validate training programs. Alternatives such as separate rules for the hydrography

               qualification may need to be investigated (Another suggestion, subsequent to this meeting,
               is the possibility of tying licensing conditions to additional units over and above that required
               to receive the Certificate IV in NWP07).

   6. Centre for Learning Innovation – resource development for the water industry: Chris Froissard
      and Paul Wray outlined a concept for development of an eLearning product (“Toolbox”) for the
      Certificate I in Water Sustainability. One of two (?) members of the committee indicated a willingness
      to serve on a reference panel for its development.

   7. Determine ability of revised NWP07 to meet the needs of hydrography industry: After
      considerable discussion it was agreed that at this stage the best way forward was to work with GSA
      to find a Training Package home for hydrography training. That being said, there was a wide-ranging
      discussion of issues:

          The current course met industry needs
          The current resources met industry needs
          Industry had contributed (both in funding and in-kind) to the development of the learning
           resources and had considerable “ownership” of them. The expectation was that these resources
           should not be “lost”.
          OTEN delivery met industry needs, and while OTEN viewed 50-60 students per years as almost
           marginal, AHA thought that having 50-60 staff in training, when there are not many more than
           about 300 hydrographers nationally, was an excellent result. It was also noted that the Water Act
           would result in an increase in training.
          It was recognised that, particularly in light of the above, that it would be advisable to have just
           one RTO (Registered Training Organisation) delivering the qualification nationally. It was felt by
           all stakeholders that increasing the number of RTO‟s would result in them all becoming non-
           viable and that the training provision would collapse. (Kim was to organise a meeting between
           AHA(/BOM) and OTEN/WSI to discuss ongoing delivery of hydrography training).
          The proposal of a defined skills set to address training needs for those entering the hydrography
           sector with a relevant degree was well accepted.
          The addition of one or two suitable units to the Vocational Graduate Certificate would also
           provide for ongoing professional development within the industry. This position was supported,
           but any action deferred until after revising the Certificate IV training.

   8. Learning and Assessment resources - mapping; revision; development – deferred.

   9. Workshop sessions: developing new and revised units.

       The new and revised units are listed below. Draft units are to be ciculated to the steering committee
       for comment. It is expected that they will then be placed on the GSA website for wider input and

NWP40107 Certificate IV in Water Operations (“Hydrography”)
The Certificate IV in Water Industry Operations supports candidates seeking competency and
requiring increasingly specialised technical skills or those who require a broad range of skills.
To achieve this qualification the candidate must demonstrate competency in nine units, comprising
two core and seven elective units of competency.
All core units must be completed.
LGACOM405B                 Implement and monitor the organisation’s OHS policies,
                           procedures and programs within the work group
NWP401B                    Coordinate and monitor the application of environmental plans
                           and procedures
Seven elective units must be completed.
The elective units must comprise at least three and up to seven elective units of competency
drawn from the elective pool below.
The balance of units required to complete the qualification may be selected according to
the following rules.
A maximum of two water industry specific elective units (coded NWP) may be drawn from the
Certificate III level in this Training Package.
A maximum of three units may be drawn from this Training Package at Diploma level.
•   A maximum of three relevant units may be drawn from another endorsed Training Package at
    Certificate IV or Diploma levels.
NWP410B                    Coordinate and monitor asset construction and maintenance
NWP415B                    Coordinate and monitor surface water systems
NWP416B                    Coordinate and monitor water storage catchment activities
NWP417B                    Coordinate and monitor groundwater system usage
NWP418B                    Coordinate and monitor bulkwater system operations
NWP419B                    Coordinate and monitor river system usage
NWP425B                    Coordinate and monitor the operation of irrigation delivery
NWP426B                    Coordinate and monitor the operation of potable water systems
NWP427B                    Coordinate and monitor the operation of drainage systems
NWP428B                    Coordinate and monitor the operation of wastewater collection
NWP429B                    Coordinate, implement and report trade waste monitoring
NWP430A                    Evaluate, implement and monitor standard low-risk trade waste
                           discharge approvals
NWP431A                    Investigate, rectify and report on trade waste incidents
NWP435B                    Coordinate and monitor the optimisation of water treatment
NWP436B                    Coordinate and monitor the optimisation of wastewater treatment
NWP437A                    Analyse data and produce hydrometric reports
NWP4xxA                    Apply principles of hydraulics to pipe and channel flow

NWP439A                 Develop and maintain rating curves
NWP4xxA                 Collect, measure and process hydrometric discharge gauging
NWP4xxA                 Monitor water quality in urban and rural catchments
NWP4xxA                 Collect and evaluate hydro-meteorological data
NWP4xxA                 (land surveying and mapping)
NWP440A                 Supervise conduit inspection and reporting
LGAWORK404A             Manage a civil works project
PSPPROC410A             Administer contracts
BSBCMN402A              Develop work priorities
BSBFLM405B              Implement operational plan

Certificate III units
NWP340A         Measure and process hydrometric stream discharge data using
                wading gaugings
NWP341B+NWP342B Hydrometric Instrumentation

Diploma units:
NWP520A                 Contribute to hydrometric planning and water resource

Note that currently only elective 7 units can count towards the qualification. It
was noted at the CLI meeting that there are differences between States,
departments, organisations, etc and not all “trainees” would need to do all
units. The units in green above have been specifically designed for
hydrography. At present they still have to meet the rules above for the
qualification.(note also that units other than those above from Cert III & Dip
could also be used. See NWP07 Packaging rules for full list) The unit codes in
bold are those identified as a skills set for those with a relevant degree who
require training to become a field hydrographer. (Is this correct?)

A question that still has to be answered is: is 7 electives sufficient or not? If
not some possible solutions are:

    1. use proposed licensing requirements to mandate more units that the
       NWP07 Packaging Rules require
    2. Define a separate Certificate IV for Hydrography within NWP07v2
    3. Return to an accredited course
    4. other??


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