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									               Fourth Meeting of the Cork Docklands Development Forum
                      1st April 2008, Department of An Taoiseach
Professor Gerry Wrixon, Chairman
Mr. Joe Gavin, Cork City Manager
Ms Teresa White, Cork County Council
Mr. John Shaw, Department of An Taoiseach
Ms. Clare Dunne, Department of Enterprise, Trade & Employment
Mr John Travers, Landowners Nominee
Mr. John Martin, Department of Environment, Heritage & Local Government
Mr. Sylvester Carruth, Department of Arts, Sports & Tourism
Mr. Paul Ryan, Department of Finance
Mr. Fintan O’Brien, Department of Transport
Mr. Andrew Diggins, Department of Education & Science
Mr. Conor Healy, Cork Chamber of Commerce
Mr. Ray O’Connor, IDA
Mr Martin Doyle, Enterprise Ireland
Ms. Mary Moloney, Community Representative
Mr. Finbarr Murphy, Community Representative
Mr. Frank Murphy, Community Representative

In attendance:
Ms Deirdre Gillane, Ministerial Advisor
Mr. Seamus Coghlan, Cork City Council – Docklands Directorate
Mr Tony Fleming, Cork City Council (Presenter)
Mr. David Small, Department of Enterprise, Trade & Employment
Mr Seamus Grehan, Department of Enterprise, Trade & Employment
Mr Paul Moran, National Roads Authority (Presenter)
Mr Kenneth Spratt, Department Communications, Marine and Natural Resources (Presenter)

Mr. Martin Riordan, Cork County Manager
Mr Dominic Sullivan, Department Education and Science
Mr Denis Maher Department Communications, Marine and Natural Resources
Mr Brendan Keating Port of Cork Authority

The Chairman welcomed participants to the meeting.

   1.     Minutes of Meeting on February 28th 2008.
The minutes of the previous meeting were approved.

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     2.        Matters Arising
               i)    Mr Ryan indicated that the Cost Benefit Analysis update is almost
                     complete and that a presentation would be made at the next meeting.
               ii)   Mr Ryan advised that the Tánaiste was unable to attend this meeting due to
                     other commitments, however he is still anxious to meet the group and may
                     possibly attend the next scheduled meeting in Dublin.
               iii)  Mr Gavin advised in relation to the rail network, that work on the opening
                     of the Midleton line was progressing well while upgrade plans for Kent
                     Station were being progressed with a planning application to be lodged
                     within 2-3months. This project could be complete within 3 years.
               iv)   Mr Martin stated that a Government decision in relation to the Gateway
                     Innovation Fund (GIF) is expected at the end of April.

     3. Presentation on Broadband by Mr Kenneth Spratt (Department of
        Communications Energy and Natural Resources- DCENR)

Mr Spratt outlined recent developments in this area and stated that the Government has a
stakeholder role to facilitate private investment. However they are mindful of a number of
factors including, state aid rules, economic and social inclusion and regional competitiveness.
Generally, state investment will only take place where market failure exists. The speed of
broadband in Ireland is increasing and broadband penetration is improving, having doubled in
each of the last two years with over 50% of households now having broadband. Competition
in the sector is beginning to impact - Eircom has seen its market share reduced to 43%.

The Cork Metropolitan Area Network (MAN) is an open access telecommunications network
managed by E-Net, which serves the Docklands area. Phase 1 cost just over €12m. 90% of
investment came from the Government and 10% from Cork City Council with 50%
recoverable from ERDF. However, an organisation would need to be spending approximately
€1000 each month to make using the Cork City MAN viable. Phase 2 comprises thirteen
networks and 15 towns, with seven complete and five under construction, at a total cost of
€21.97m. A draft policy paper on “Next Generation” Broadband has been produced by
DCENR and it is intended to publish this for public consultation. The recommendations
     Invest only to address market failure and digital divide
     A joint working group between D/Transport and D/Environment are meeting in order
       to make access to buildings easier by improving building design.
     Aggregation of public sector demand will be explored by a working group with
       CMOD to make greater use of savings.

A copy of Mr Spratt’s presentation will be made available on DETE’s website.

Some discussion took place at the conclusion of the presentation. Mr Spratt stated that
Eircom, ESBT, and BT are currently providing the link from the MAN to an International
Connectivity Point. Mr Healy stated that the smaller ISPs do not have this access. Mr
O’Connor stated that it may be cheaper for companies to access from Dublin and queried if
there was a move to make this more competitive, as this was having a negative impact on
regional competitiveness. Mr Spratt indicated that the costs are regulated by ComReg based
on distance rather than demand and DCENR do not intend to intervene at the moment as
there are state aid issues. There are a total of fifteen International Connectivity Points (nine in

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the Republic and six in the North). Mr Coghlan stated that the presence of an International
Connectivity Point would attract more firms to situate in Cork. Investment in Global Crossing
has improved capacity. On this issue Mr Healy made specific reference to the potential for
the Docklands project and wider regional development should connection be achieved with
an international cable running off the South Coast of Ireland, which is currently the subject of
a feasibility study. He emphasised that government support for this project would be
important in the context of the Development Forum. However, it was pointed out by Mr
Spratt that there are a number of other regions that would also be seeking this type of

Cork City Council indicated that a study had been commissioned on the ICT Network for
Docklands and this is in draft format at present. A separate study looking at cable links within
the Cork area is also at draft stage.

Mr Travers made the point that investment in the MAN was to support regional
competitiveness, which is a Government policy objective. This principle is important and
should be relied on to overcome difficulties in this area, including the need to ensure that in
terms of international connectivity Cork is not placed at a disadvantage in cost or quality
terms with Dublin or other international centres. Mr Spratt advised that the issue appears to
relate more to cost of service rather than market failure, therefore it was more difficult to
convince EU of a need to intervene.

     4. Update from Ms Clare Dunne on Delegation’s meeting with European
        Commission in Brussels on 7th March.

Ms Clare Dunne (DETE) updated the forum. A delegation from Ireland met with officials
from the European Commission (EU Cion) on 7th March in Brussels. The delegation included
officials from Departments of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, Finance, Environment,
Heritage and Local Government and Cork City Council. The purpose of the meeting was to
ensure that the EU Cion understood the project from a national perspective. Advance
documentation was provided to the Commission and a detailed presentation was made to
Regional Aid and Environmental Aid officials. We had a positive engagement and they
listened to our proposal, which ticks many boxes in the context of national and European
policies. The next steps are to put together a strong focussed notification submission. A sub-
group on State Aids will meet to progress this with regular engagement with Departments of
Environment and Finance. It is important to note that a lot of work remains to be done on this
application and our research shows that previous applications have taken a long time to
progress with no set deadline for EU Commission’s final decision. However, for development
to take place we need to address the barriers to development.

Mr Travers commended those involved on their efforts to date.

     5. Update on meeting of “Vision/Magnets” Sub-Group on 26th March in Cork.

Professor Wrixon updated the Forum on the discussion held by the “Vision/Magnets” Sub-
Group on 26th March in Cork. Representatives from EI, Forfás, IDA, SFI, Cork City Council
and Departments of Enterprise, Trade & Employment, Finance, Arts, Sports and Tourism

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Discussions and suggestions were wide ranging however the main points emerging were as
follows. We need to build on Cork’s natural strengths and ideas that would differentiate
Docklands, focusing particularly on knowledge based, high technology areas. There was
consensus that we need a marketing tool for the Docklands not only something of national
but also of international significance. The development of a knowledge based science quarter
was suggested. This could include areas such as medical devices, bio-pharma,
pharmaceuticals, national market based services, internationally traded services, ICT and
digital media, Internet content companies, health and education. As the Munster region is a
high quality food producer it would make sense to include some element of the Food Industry
in the area, which could centre on food research and development and attracting companies to
come to Docklands to carry out food R&D. On the Tourism front, suggestions were put
forward about different types of museum, e.g. Science, Living museum, food, transport,
provisioning of ships, Ford museum etc. On the Health front, Professor Wrixon indicated that
two hospitals may possibly be willing to relocate to the Docklands, however they would need
to consider this further and would require assistance from D/Health. This project, if it were to
proceed, could be completed within 5 years with the aid of private investment and would be a
good fit with Medical Diagnostics or Health Sector Services project. Mr Gavin suggested that
as the hospitals concerned were occupying substantial land banks, it might be possible to
leverage funding from these to facilitate relocation and thus make the proposal more viable.
The Acute Hospital Study should be published within the next 6-8 weeks. The Eastern
Gateway Bridge is vital for the hospitals. The sub-group will meet again to develop these
ideas further.

Some discussion took place on the ideas put forward. Mr Gavin stated that Cork City Council
is preparing a submission for a Food museum to Failte Ireland, which would be situated in
the Shandon area at a cost of €14m. There is also a Science Museum in Blackrock Castle. Mr
O’Connor stated that the themes emerging are in line with what IDA is looking for. A typical
IDA Business Park is limited because you cannot retail in the same park and Docklands
would not be limited in this way. Mr Doyle stated that most enquiries EI receive are in the
Services area. There appears to be a demand for office space. Ms Gillane stated that the area
should be environmentally friendly, sustainable and cater for the community. Mr Healy
emphasised that the vision or strategy for the Docklands also needs to include some realisable
short to medium term commercial opportunities. He pointed out that sectors such as Financial
Services, Financial Information Systems and Business Services need to be a part of the
strategy. He also highlighted the need for a complimentary relationship between existing
business activity and Docklands.

 ICT Services and Internet Content Providers tend to be drawn to city region locations where
innovative property solutions are available on the ground at reasonable rents, with skills
availability and transport systems/ infrastructure providing ease of accessibility. There are
many alternative locations competing for these types of projects. The expertise available with
UCC and Cork Institute of Technology would be a positive factor for Docklands. These
companies have a propensity to cluster and collaborate on projects, which tends to bring in
other similar type activities. Mr Travers stated that there is a strong IT related sector in Cork,
however the important factor is to clearly identify how Cork is different to other areas. What
can Cork offer that other areas cannot? Docklands offers something different and has the
potential to be special. When you look at other examples in Dublin such as City West and
Dublin Docklands they have good quality infrastructure and access with incentives leading
businesses to set up there.

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Mr Martin stated that land use and transport planning in the Cork metropolitan area has been
guided since 2002 by the Cork Area Strategic Plan (CASP). CASP is being updated to take
account of increased population targets for the SW region by 2020 under the NSS. As part of
the update, Indecon Consultants have been commissioned to prepare an economic strategy for
the CASP area including Docklands. Professor Wrixon stated that Mr Ledwidge might be in a
position to update the Forum on the CASP Review at the next Forum meeting.

    6. Presentation on Roads/Access by Mr Paul Moran (Regional Manager -NRA)
Mr Moran (NRA) advised that of 130 major national projects, Cork accounts for approx 10%
of the national Programme. At present there are about 12 major Cork projects at various
stages of planning and design. Current priority is the completion of the inter urban network.
The two main strategic routes N27 and N8 in themselves will not satisfy docklands transport
requirements. At present public transport caters for about 10% but this will need to increase
to 50-60%.

Mr Moran provided a briefing note, which outlined the main road projects for Cork City and
County, which include:
    N25 Cork Southern Ring Road Interchanges
    N22 Ballyvourney/Macroom
    N25 Carrigtwohill/Midleton
    N20 Blarney/Mallow and N20 Mallow/Croom
    N22 Cork Northern Ring Road (Western and Eastern Sections)
    N28 Ringaskiddy/Cork
    N25 Midleton/Youghal
    N71 Bandon/Innishannon
    N8 Mitchelstown/Fermoy
    N8/N25 Dunkettle Interchange & N25 Cork Southern Ring Road

Mr Moran also provided a copy of the NRA 2007 Annual Report with Appendices showing
road programme status throughout the country, and a map showing road development
progress in County Cork. A modal split of 60/40 for public transport/roads is the aim with a
need to increase public transport use. There are some very big schemes under construction in
the country at the moment, which are accounting for a serious amount of funding. The
funding for 2011-2015 has not been assigned yet. The N28 Ringaskiddy/Cork has particular
importance for the Port of Cork, who currently have an application with An Bord Pleanála for
a major development of the docks at Ringaskiddy. Mr Moran indicated that the NRA would
need buy-in from the Port of Cork, Cork City Council, Cork County Council and the IDA in
this regard. There is a lot of variables post 2010, even assuming that funding remains
constant from the Departments of Transport and Finance. A cost benefit and rigorous analysis
will be undertaken for all schemes and all counties will compete on this basis.

In the ensuing discussion a number of points / issues were raised. Good local transport is a
precondition of any proposals relating to UCC or Hospital relocation within the docklands
area. There is a need for certainty in relation to the provision of infrastructure in the
docklands to send a strong signal to potential investors. In that context it was noted by Mr
Travers , that many of the roads projects covered in Mr Moran’s presentation (e.g. Southern
Ring Road, N28 Cork/Ringaskiddy upgrade, N22 Northern Ring Road, Dunkettle

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Interchange, N 25 Southern Ring Road) which are important to the accessibility of the
Docklands are not scheduled to start before 2012 and, in fact, involve no funding
commitment even after that date. He indicated that this is unsatisfactory and the development
of these projects requires accelerating and prioritising to facilitate the development of the
Cork Docklands project. However there are many variables to be considered, foremost of
which is exchequer funding – each scheme will be judged on its own merits as they are
progressed. The Government remains committed to completing the infrastructure element of
NDP. Mr Gavin stated that the development of the inner quays is not dependent on the N28
being completed beforehand.

Mr Tony Fleming (Cork City Council) also provided a short verbal presentation on
roads/access with particular regard to the Docklands. He pointed out that the Eastern
Gateway and Water Street Bridge are key infrastructural projects, which must be in place
over the next 3-4 years. Some discussion took place regarding the opening span of the bridge
and related costs. Mr Fleming stated that a 50-metre opening is planned. Professor Wrixon
made the point that the bridge in Dublin has a 30metre span and it must be noted that there is
a finite fund available for infrastructure. Projects must make sense from a national as well as
Cork viewpoint.
Mr Travers made the point that the developers do not consider that a 50 metre span is
required. Mr Gavin advised that there is continuing discussion with Port of Cork Authority
regarding final proposals for the bridges.

 Ms Moloney enquired as to the impact of not obtaining GIF Funding might be and Mr Gavin
advised that it would be a major setback for the project if funding were not received.

    7. Discussion on Shape of June Report
The Chairman re-iterated that June was our deadline for the production of a Report to
Government. He indicated that the Report would broadly incorporate the following areas,
Introduction, Infrastructural Priorities, Cost Benefit Analysis/Incentivising the Development,
Key Economic Drivers/Overall Vision for the Docklands, Implementation,
Conclusions/Recommendations. He asked if Forum members had any suggestions that they
should email David Small (Secretariat) in DETE. Ms Dunne stated that a key factor in the
drafting of the Report is that we must be guided by the Terms of Reference set down by

Action Points

The Chairman summarised the action points arising from the meeting as follows:-
    Mr Fintan O’Brien (D/Transport) confirmed to the Chairman that Mr Maurice Treacy
      would be happy to provide a presentation on rail/light rail/transport strategy etc to the
      next Forum meeting.
    Mr Small will send some general headings on the draft report to Forum members
      seeking input/suggestions prior to the next meeting.

Next Meeting
The Chairman indicated that the next meeting would take place on 7th May at 10:30am in the
Clarion Hotel, Cork.

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D Small
Inward Investment and Policy Support Unit
April 2008

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