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                                          George                       Interactivity.
                                          Broussard                    03/19/04 04:30 AM

                                                                   What kinds of things do you see Duke interacting with? It could be electronic, mechanical, or any type
                                                                   of item, really.

                                          3DR Staff                The best things are items that can affect gameplay in some way. But some things are just flat out for
                                                                   fun and amusement.

                                                                   Some examples to give you an idea what's possible:

                                                                   Microwave (fun/barely gameplay): Open it, turn it on. Put food in. Cook it for more health. Put a rat in
                                                                   it and nuke it.

                                                                   Wall valve (simple/gameplay): grab it and turn it left or right to alter steam, or open a hatch, or
                                                                   whatever.

                                                                   NOTE: The above are just examples. No comments one way another as to if those are in the game or
                                                                   not.

                                                                   What kinds of things do you hope to see, both in terms of "fun", and also for "gameplay". In practical
                                                                   terms, there is basically no limit to what you can suggest, but everything has to be balanced with how
                                                                   long it takes to implement vs how useful it is in game.

                                                                   I'll check this thread from time to time to see what you guys have to say. There have been threads
                                                                   like this in the past, but I figured it was time for a fresh thread.
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                                          ADM                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 04:39 AM

                                                                   Gameplay:

                                                                   - I would love to be able to turn off lights and put on night vision and be able to get an advantage
                                                                   over enemies.
                                                                   - Shoot a pipe and have steam affect the enemies.
                                                                   - Blow up a shelf full of items (books, glasses etc.. etc..) and have them fall on enemies affecting
                                                                   them, like knocking them over or something at least.
                                                                   - Shoot an enemy and have him fall over and knock over items or perhaps land in water and have the
                                                                   ability to shoot wires down and electrocute him.
                                                                   - Open taps and have the floor fill up over time and so it affects gameplay in away I guess (this'll be
                                                                   abit too hard to do I guess :P)

                                                                   Fun:

                                                                   - Turn on a computer, surf the net (mock up sites or something.. would be cool to have these forums
                                                                   on there and have some regular poster names in topics :P), play games etc..
                                                                   - Play pool (have to include this.. homage to Duke 3D)
                                                                   - Play pinball in the arcades (if you have them  )
                                                                   - Use pay phones.

                                                                   That's all I can think of right now

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                                          ADM                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: ADM]
                                                                       03/19/04 04:43 AM



                                                                   Oh one more thing.. you have to have TV's showing TV shows like Max Payne 1 and 2 did

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                                          Gideon                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 05:42 AM

                                                                   Some of these are silly, but I figure anything is worth mentioning. I'll post more after I've had time to
                                                                   think about it.

                                                                   I'd like to be able to pick up any item (within reason) and examine it closely. I'd like to be able to
                                                                   bring it very close to Duke's face if possible and turn my hand to change my viewing angle of that
                                                                   object.

                                                                   I'd like the option to grab an octabrain by the tentacle if he's close enough and spin him around (Like
                                                                   the Hulk did the tank.) with full karma effect and slam him into anything. Even other enemies
                                                                   knocking them to the ground.

                                                                   If I get in a serious fight and it gets rough, knock Duke's shades off. When the fight is over let us pick
                                                                   them up and put them back on as Duke makes a witty comment.

                                                                   Use matinee with the render to texture feature to have actual 3D shows on TV's or theatre screens.

                                                                   Interactivity with physics. Meaning if you bump a table and a glass falls off of it, you can catch it if
                                                                   your fast enough and put it back, or if someone pushes something at you, you can put your hand out
                                                                   to stop it.

                                                                   Be able to take toilet paper from the bathroom and toss it up in trees.

                                                                   Playable video games where you can see Duke's hands on the controls.

                                                                   I want to ride the roller coaster on top of that casino.

                                                                   I want to go to a diner and be able to play a song on the jukebox, order some pancakes and decide
                                                                   how much I want to tip the waitress.

                                                                   I want to see my hands on the wheel when I'm driving a car, I'd also like to adjust the radio and open
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                                                                   the glovebox.

                                                                   I'd like a place to keep all the stuff I buy, and I'd also like to be able to pawn that stuff in a pawnshop.

                                                                   I want to be able to check Duke's Email and it would be very nice if Duke could surf the real web from
                                                                   inside the game.

                                                                   I want to order a burger and fries through a drive-thru window.

                                                                   I want to get pulled over by a cop for speeding and try to talk my way out of it.

                                                                   I want to be able to use my fist and legs in melee combat. I'd also like the option to kick someone in
                                                                   the groin (if they have one) or give them a backhanded bitchslap.

                                                                   I'd like to break a bottle and fight somebody with it.

                                                                   I'd like to pick up a fire extinguisher and either throw it at an enemy or spray them in the face with it
                                                                   maybey even hit them in the head repeatedly with it.

                                                                   I'd like to be able to control Duke's finger for pressing particular buttons, say on an elevator or
                                                                   keypad.

                                                                   If a valve is stuck, I want to be able to take a crowbar and force it to open.

                                                                   On the microwave, I want to be able to put aluminum foil in it and burn the thing up. If I overcook
                                                                   something, I want it to explode.

                                                                   Say I buy a bag of marbles at the pawnshop, it would kick ass if I could throw them on the ground if
                                                                   enemies we're chasing me and trip them up.

                                                                   If I get a flat, I'd like to change it if there is a spare tire and a jack.

                                                                   The ability to drive a forklift and possibly use it to get somewhere I couldn't get otherwise.

                                                                   The ability to leak gas out of an 18 wheeler and throw my cigar on the gas stream to blow up aliens.

                                                                   other stuff:

                                                                   Poping Duke's Knuckles/neck
                                                                   working hand dryer/soap dispensors/sinks ect. in the bathroom.
                                                                   working remote control for TV's.
                                                                   Lights on a dimmer switch
                                                                   Ability to light and extinguish a cigar, by stepping on it or using an ashtray.
                                                                   Play a guitar or drums.
                                                                   Drink from a water fountain.
                                                                   Realistically climb a rope.
                                                                   Step in dog crap and whipe it off your feet.
                                                                   Fly a UFO
                                                                   Chew bubblegum
                                                                   Open doors, kick in doors, knock on doors, open in partially to see who's outside.
                                                                   The ability to open/close the roof of the dome stadium.
                                                                   Go to a theatre to watch a movie and tell people to shut up.
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                                                                   I also want to be able to work at Gideon's desk at 3DR and throw Duke Nukem poker chips at George!


                                                                   Thanks for asking George!
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                                          zakath                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: ADM]
                                                                       03/19/04 05:47 AM

                                                                   yeah, the tv's were very cool indeed, always kept watching them even though they were merely
                                                                   slideshows     was a nice add to the enviroment.

                                                                   but what games have been lacking , and I've always wanted, is a moviestyle foam extinguisher , that
                                                                   you could pick up, and use to blind the opponents, or just merely create big thick fog/foam on some
                                                                   hallway.

                                                                   ofcourse using spraycans and/or pens on walls, blackboards and paper would be cool considering
                                                                   multiplayer deathmatch, taunting not only by voice but writing

                                                                   cellphones, we definetly need some cellphones, working ones


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                                          SpaceCow                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 05:55 AM

                                                                   Ahhh jeez, DoomedMarine basically already said my idea, but I'd like to add the following:

                                                                   You might just have blown up Hoover dam and then there'd be the headline on GNN "Hoover Dam
                                                                   NUKED!" and the article snippet would say: "Duke Nukem, controversial CIA agent and the presidents
                                                                   personal security manager has been implicated as the man responsible for yet another massive
                                                                   explosion. No civilians were hurt, but the carcasses of many extraterrestrial creatures were discovered
                                                                   washed up on the shore, downriver amongst the wreckage. Senator Beeblebrox, longtime critic of
                                                                   Nukem and his policies had this to say about the incident: 'This is yet another example of Nukem's
                                                                   complete disregard for...'" bla bla bla so on and so forth. And of course by extension of that you might
                                                                   have tv news and NPC's talking about it maybe or somesuch, but basically what I wanted to put
                                                                   forward here was a combination of these two 'cool things' that I like to see in games - player-
                                                                   refference and interactive computers.

                                                                   Oh and there's one other thing that I really want. I wanna see enemies die in COOL ways. There
                                                                   should be enemies in the game that really aren't a challenge and are just there for the player to be
                                                                   able to blow them away in a nifty manner. So you mght have the generic stormtrooper type, and
                                                                   shoot him in the head - so have him fly back and fall to the ground, like the bullet was a
                                                                   sledgehammer that hit him going 200 mph. Or shooting him in the throat and having a really
                                                                   exaggarated animation where he's clutching at his neck in a most comical way, a bit of sadism, if you
                                                                   like   . But really just take a cue from all those nifty John Woo movies with alll their style . I just
                                                                   feel enemy deaths aren't so cool anymore. They just fall over, the damned beasts!

                                                                   Hope you like the ideas.

                                                                   P.S.

                                                                   Explosions need to be BIG! I find explosions are wimpier and wimpier these days - like in UT2k3's
                                                                   rocket launcher, my word that's a wimpy explosion!

                                                                   /promises to stop re-editing his post from now on
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                                          crunchysuperman                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                            03/19/04 05:59 AM

                                                                        Gameplay:
                                                                        - I'd like to be able to shoot down large outdoor overhead signs & have them deal damage if they
                                                                        fall on enimies.

                                                                        - Kick enemies into moving traffic.


                                                                        Fun:
                                                                        - How about having change spill out of slot machines, payphones, vending machiens when they're
                                                                        damaged?

                                                                        - Have some 'gag weapons' here and there that make enemies bend over laughing when they see
                                                                        Duke firing them (water pistol, slingshot, spit-wad shooter)

                                                                        - Working sprikler systems.


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                                          Detharin                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: ADM]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:01 AM

                                                                   Fun

                                                                   Situational idle animations. This one im still thinking on how it could be applied.

                                                                   Most games have a couple idle animations, occasionally one for each gun. I would like to see it taken
                                                                   one step further.For their to be more interations with the guns than point and click. Such as
                                                                   dissassembling and reassembling of the various guns as idle animations and if you interupt the
                                                                   animation it could cause one more more humerous screwups.

                                                                   If the interuption was "firing" of the gun say a monster surprises you Duke could drop the weapon and
                                                                   draw his pistol, to be picked up again post combat.

                                                                   Imagine accidentally shrinking your own head with the shrink gun. Dropping the barrel of your
                                                                   machine gun on your foot, examining and the tossing out a shotgun shell with the comment of "i only
                                                                   use magnums", fiddling with the detonator of the pipebombs and the lights go out, a nearby car
                                                                   starts, or its alarm turns on.

                                                                   If left alone near a motorcycle come back to duke revving the engine, writting weird things on
                                                                   whiteboards. These could also be done with the use key, but maybe a bored duke automatically using
                                                                   things in the area if left unattended.


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                                                                   Mixing drinks. If i "use" a beer have duke open it by banging it on the edge of a nearby table or
                                                                   counter. If nothing is nearby use a bottle opener. If i use a bottle of whiskey and there are glasses
                                                                   nearby have duke pour himself a glass.

                                                                   Make alcohol flammable, if i throw a pipebomb into a liquer cabinet make it turn the room into an
                                                                   interno, also allow me to pour whiskey on the ground for later ignition.

                                                                   When interacting with the womenmake their reactions based on what area of the body the crosshair is
                                                                   pointed at when you press the use key. Certain areas might earn you a slap (which should cause your
                                                                   view to snap to a different direction) but other gestures such as using their face (brushing the hair out
                                                                   of their eyes) might go over better and earn you a nicer reply.

                                                                   Ill post more once i get home from work, have slept and can think clearly.


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                                          Ninja                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: zakath]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:05 AM

                                                                   * Explosions should break wooden/plastic chairs and flip over or knock over metal ones, although not
                                                                   too exaggerated.

                                                                   * Some things like drawers and cupboards should (obviously not everyone) be open-able and give out
                                                                   secret items or interesting information tidbits.

                                                                   * Impact speed is a nice detail. If I run full pelt into a shelf of items, it should wobble back or forth
                                                                   and maybe even fall over. However, it shouldn't be overdone: I hate it in games where you brush past
                                                                   an item andd it goes flying for 50m.

                                                                   *Multiple interaction points (can't think of an appropriate word) on objects, although very heavy on
                                                                   systems would be awesome.

                                                                   Imagine being able to pick the antenna off an old TV and beat somebody with it, but with the
                                                                   consequence of not being able to watch TV!


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                                          RedSplat                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Ninja]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:23 AM

                                                                   I hope to explore new areas of interactivity that have previously been inaccessible.
                                                                   I hold a more interactive game in higher esteem than a less interactive one and i honor a designer
                                                                   who boldy goes where no designer has gone before.

                                                                   I would like to play the game, go to a forum and read how much of all interactivity in the game i still
                                                                   missed.
                                                                   If you know what i mean


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                                          PlayfulPuppy                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Detharin]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:25 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       Fun
                                                                       Situational idle animations. This one im still thinking on how it could be applied.
                                                                       Most games have a couple idle animations, occasionally one for each gun. I would like to see it taken
                                                                       one step further.For their to be more interations with the guns than point and click. Such as
                                                                       dissassembling and reassembling of the various guns as idle animations and if you interupt the
                                                                       animation it could cause one more more humerous screwups.
                                                                       If the interuption was "firing" of the gun say a monster surprises you Duke could drop the weapon and
                                                                       draw his pistol, to be picked up again post combat.



                                                                   I like this idea, it's cool and inventive. But it interferes with the gameplay too much and would serve
                                                                   as nothing more than a "Cool the first time, irritating thereafter" mechanic.

                                                                   What this COULD be mutated to, however, would be having the enemies doing weapon checks and the
                                                                   like. This way, stalking and waiting on an enemy could serve a strategic purpose. I'd love to look
                                                                   around a corner with a piece of mirror or fibre-optics, wait for an enemy to 'twirl' their gun and drop
                                                                   it, and then jump out while they're unarmed.

                                                                   My list:

                                                                   - Playable games are a MUST. Preferably something more complex than Pac-man or Space Invaders.

                                                                   - Kicking an enemy through a glass window and watch them plummet to the ground. I've always
                                                                   wanted to do this.

                                                                   - Ability to disarm enemies in an inventive manner. Throwing a rock at their head, tripping them up,
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                                                                   suprising them, etc.

                                                                   - Enemies/NPCs that utilise and react to their enviroment that can be used to the players advantage.
                                                                   Enemies having a drinking game that run out of alcohol so you can jump them in the wine cellar,
                                                                   breaking a computer so a maintainance guy comes around to fix it, creating distractions with
                                                                   explosives drawing idle enemies to an area, etc.

                                                                   - Locking doors, giving you some time if enemies are tailing you.

                                                                   - News reports (Or radio reports) that reflect actions you have caused within the world.

                                                                   - The ability to pre-plan an escape. Put some empty boxes or a matress near a building, then make a
                                                                   daring escape by jumping off the roof onto them, taking little or no damage.

                                                                   I realise most of these aren't exactly 'Dukes Style', but hey, this is my wishlist.


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                                          IHerman                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:39 AM

                                                                   Gameplay:
                                                                   - Shooting of limbs without the victim dying. So they keep crawling after you.
                                                                   - Aliens "communicating" with each other.
                                                                   - Using dead bodies as a shield.
                                                                   - More tilting if you get hit. Explosions blow you over and make you fall. In other words, more realistic.
                                                                   - Talking to NPC's, making them do stuff.
                                                                   - Being able to pick up/throw any object in the neightbourhood that's not too heavy. Using object as
                                                                   "weapons" or distraction.

                                                                   Fun:
                                                                   - Aliens/enemies communicating, sometimes pissing eachother off or having laughs.
                                                                   - Playing videogames/pinball, showing Duke's hands, to make it more realistic.
                                                                   - More interaction with strippers than "Wanna dance?". No porn, just being able to make them show
                                                                   some "special moves".
                                                                   - Descructable objects. Every object that can be blown up in the real world should be destructable.
                                                                   (especially lights)
                                                                   - Drinks having effect on Duke. Duke is able to drink coffe or beer, but you will suffer the
                                                                   consequences of drinking too much. (becoming shaky or drunk, or both)

                                                                   I could write some more, but that's allready covered by others. Also I expect at least the same
                                                                   gameplay as DN3D had.
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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: PlayfulPuppy]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:39 AM

                                                                   When I kick an enemy in the stomach I want to be able to walk around him and kick him in the ass.
                                                                   (duke can then say: "Sorry but I am outta gum.")

                                                                   I think this would be fun. Think the rest will be covered by the others.

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                                          Yenz                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:50 AM

                                                                   This thread is goona be huuuge   (hope it doesn't slow down the DNF process, just keep the coders
                                                                   buissy now when the engine is done)

                                                                   (gamplay & fun are mixed)

                                                                   Gameplay:
                                                                   *Shoot a aquarium/fish tank = os the wather get on the floor (maybe to casue a blackout or get the
                                                                   *water electric from a loose cable or something, so enemies can't get to you.
                                                                   *Rolling barrel, shoot down signs
                                                                   *Shoot leak of oil barrels so enemies slipp
                                                                   *Pure out concrete from a mixer (the hughe once), nad when enemies get in it, they slow down.


                                                                   Fun:

                                                                   *Gambling (throw dice)
                                                                   *Play poker (see the hand and the card, maybe a cigar in the left hand)
                                                                   *Work out in a gym with weighs
                                                                   *Shake a champange bottle (like racing drivers does)
                                                                   *Dial phone number (numbers that are hard to find)
                                                                   *Use a speaker system (turn it up so loud that the nemies get deaf or paralysed
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                                                                   *Put the gas on at a gas stove, and then boom.
                                                                   *Use the "gas hose" at gas stations and then pure everyhting u want i gasoline and then light it.
                                                                   *Be able to sit at a bar/ strip-stage and just sit and watch/drink
                                                                   *Have an alt key on the mighty foot or the fist. It could be a nice fondle or something similar (like fist
                                                                   on mouse b1, nice hand on mouse b2). that could be useful for talking with girls or to shake hands
                                                                   with nice people (good NPC;s)
                                                                   *Throu dart at a dart board (ands other things, like people, balones)
                                                                   *ligth liqour (Sambubca) and drink it

                                                                   I like the qoute of Steve-O from Jackass.
                                                                   -"If there's one right way to do a thing, there's allways two bad things also to do it."
                                                                   Think like this and everything will have a new meaning

                                                                   Well I'm away to the gym. I'll be back. With more ....
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                                          DLT                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: Yenz]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:10 AM



                                                                   I think a good way of doing poker would be to have video poker, if you interact with the cabinet you
                                                                   get zoomed in to the screen much like the cctv from duke 3d.

                                                                   Then have the game cursor driven a bit like how doom 3 will do things when using key pads just in
                                                                   doom 3's case they dont do a full screen zoom.



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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: DLT]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:21 AM

                                                                   i`d like to,

                                                                   *be able to open windows, not just doors but windows too      and cupboards boxes crates to see what
                                                                   i find

                                                                   *push enemy`s. like pushing em of a cliff or a roof when i snuk op on them

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                                          bubba
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: DLT]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:28 AM




                                                                   Alien poop.
                                                                   Have an alien take a shit, and Duke smells it and says "Poowee-I hate alien shit". Then he might
                                                                   accidently step in some and slip on it. You get the idea...



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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: hell-angel]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:29 AM


                                                                   in before what will become a truely massive thread.


                                                                   on to the suggestions:

                                                                   -gameplay-i like the valve idea. perhaps a huge pipe of water is running down a corridor. you see
                                                                   enemies running towards you. you also see hanging lights above. hmmm. duke throws the valve open
                                                                   and water comes flowing out. he then takes aim at the lights above and just as the enemies reach the
                                                                   water on the ground, he blasts the lights and they fall to the ground, electrocuting the enemies.

                                                                   -gameplay-fun-perhaps have an arcade/casino with playable games. darts, pool, poker machines,
                                                                   heck-buy lottery tickets from the npc and watch the tv as it broadcasts the winning numbers. if you
                                                                   win, you go collect the money from the casino payout area.

                                                                   -gameplay-fun-mix drinks at a bar. have a choice of liquor and mix up some mean drinks. i suggested
                                                                   this in another thread. something like mixing absolute vodka with some crown royal over ice with a
                                                                   slice of lemon. if some pig cops want to have a drink, mix them up some
                                                                   bacardi 151      , mad dog 20/20 and put some tabasco sauce in and shake well. then serve it to them.
                                                                   they'll slam it down, look at each other then faint.

                                                                   -gameplay-fun-those alien bastards have invaded an amusement park! poor kids are being terrorized!
                                                                   duke chases them to the theme park. have it where he gets on the park intercom and maybe give him
                                                                   a few choice lines like "all non-alien beings, please leave the park, it's gonna get messy!" "the park is
                                                                   now being shut down for some much overdo cleaning-get out!" "ohhh, this is gonna be fun!" get on
                                                                   some rides like rollercoasters, tilt a whirls, etc. stop on the midway and play some more games.

                                                                   -gameplay-make explosions cool. i mean, they're cool already but have them impact the gameplay.
                                                                   duke MUST use nukes. we have to find out when he's called duke nukem. if a pipe bomb is thrown
                                                                   into a room full of ammo, i want it to get set off, ammo firing off, explosions, etc. c4 takes out
                                                                   concrete and leaves craters in the ground and throws chunks of debris in the air that can harm
                                                                   enemies and npcs-flies through windows.

                                                                   -gameplay-pick up a mirror and deflect sunlight into enemies eyes and temporarily blind them to pick
                                                                   them off. this is where you could improve on the "lens flare"-make the lens flare interactive.

                                                                   -gameplay fun-duke finds a dog pound with some pooches and they aint in a good mood. a bunch of
                                                                   pig cops have you cornered. open up the cages to the dogs and let them loose. they go and attack the
                                                                   pig cops and rip em' apart. duke-"fido want a snack?"

                                                                   -gameplay-fun-video cameras/cameras. duke 3d had em. you guys know what to do. take it up a
                                                                   notch. maybe have a few "in jokes" with movies here. there's been alot of movies with guys looking
                                                                   out their apartment windows with video cameras or cameras. heck, the movie "mimic 3" with killer
                                                                   human sized cockroaches has this storyline. it'd be funny for duke to use a video camera and see a
                                                                   giant roach/alien attacking a npc in his/her apartment.

                                                                   -gameplay-fun-credit cards and atms. have duke use a credit card and atms for various purchases.

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                                                                   -gameplay-fun-open up refrigerators and look at the contents or pick them up. "jimmy hoffa's frozen
                                                                   body".

                                                                   -gameplay-kick objects like chairs into enemies to mess up their aim. mighty kick em in the nuts.

                                                                   -gameplay-fun-you must have a gothic shemale cop stripper.       i'd die laughing if you guys put this
                                                                   in. that would be hilarious and so would duke's one liner. maybe have duke puke when he sees it.
                                                                   "damn, i don't feel so good!"

                                                                   -gameplay-have enemies talk trash to duke. far cry is doing this a bit with enemies talking trash.

                                                                   -gameplay-fun-have duke's sunglasses do stuff. "they live" for example. he can read some sublimanal
                                                                   signs when he puts them on. "kill duke nukem!" "we did duke's momma" "1-800-alien-invasion"
                                                                   "eioujfk" seeing eye chart.  thermal vision, x ray vision, etc.

                                                                   that's all for now.

                                                                   oh and one last thing.

                                                                   at the very ending as duke is about ready to nuke the last huge alien boss, it cuts to a close up of the
                                                                   boss and he says "SOMEONE SET US UP THE BOMB!"

                                                                   boom!

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                                          Atum Ra                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: jimbob]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:48 AM

                                                                   ~Being able to pick any object up and use it as a weapon
                                                                   ~Play older 3DR games on an official duke console
                                                                   ~Look in the mirror and beable to do some self grooming
                                                                   ~after particulary bloody fight beable to remove shades and clean them
                                                                   ~Filling up the Jetpack, bike etc manually at a petrol station
                                                                   ~Being able to open Dukes wallet and looking at his drivers licence and various other cards
                                                                   ~Sign autographs for addoring fans

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                                          Drazula                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:50 AM

                                                                   -Allow non-activated grenades/pipebombs to explode if you shoot them. (Enemy dies, he drops a
                                                                   grenade. I can pick it up to use it or shoot it.)

                                                                   -Knocking over slot machines onto an enemy does damage. In general, physics is nice, but if it
                                                                   doesn't impact gameplay, it is a waste.

                                                                   -Blow up Hoover Dam and watch the flood!

                                                                   Thanks for listening GB!
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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Drazula]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:52 AM

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                                                                       -Blow up Hoover Dam and watch the flood!




                                                                   i agree with this.

                                                                   this is like one of the "musts" for dnf. hoover damn must get destroyed!
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                                          Orochi Avlis                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/19/04 08:30 AM

                                                                   I want to shotgun at close range to snap the alien's neck but leave a bit of skin attached to his head
                                                                   to make his head dangle.

                                                                   I want to shoot a Fire Extingusher and make the foam blind the enemies (and cause a little explsion).

                                                                   Shooting at pressured can makes them react like there real life counter-parts.

                                                                   If a fire breaks out inside during a fire fight the sprinklers turn on and any fire based weapons become
                                                                   useless and makes the floor a tad slippery.

                                                                   Shooting through doors (wheter it's Duke or the aliens).
                                                                   And breaking through doors.

                                                                   Popping car tires ala GTA:VC thus making the car unstable and slower while using it.

                                                                   Kicking Pipe Bombs and shooting them in mid air.

                                                                   Kicking enemies makes them fall back (it would be cool if it was through a glass window or incoming
                                                                   traffic).

                                                                   Using the cenario against the aliens. Shooting certain stuff would make them fall on them, killing them.

                                                                   Make the aliens react to each shot. Like a shot gun blast would make them fall back. Or the freeze
                                                                   thrower (if it's still in there) could slow down their movement until freezing them completly.

                                                                   Boot imprints (On both enemies and walls, doors etc etc)
                                                                   Like if we walk for an enemy cover in blood then kick a wall we would see the imprint in red. Speaking
                                                                   of which there better be bloody footprints like in DN3D.)

                                                                   Water trickling down the screen while it's raining.

                                                                   Craters. (Can't stand it in Call of Duty when the mortars hit the floor and there is not even a scratch.)

                                                                   Breaking fragile things.

                                                                   Throwig a bottle of booze then using a flamethrower (making him catch flames faster) or the
                                                                   freezethrower (making him freeze faster).
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                                          Lazaroth                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 08:38 AM

                                                                   I would like:

                                                                   * Interaction with ordinary girls, who says Duke doesn't get his face slapped from time to time.

                                                                   * Interesting computers, be able to hack ingame computers to browse my harddrive and perhaps
                                                                   even surf the internet.

                                                                   * Interactive ammo, perhaps stick a pipebomb to some dropped ammo and the explosion gets bigger,
                                                                   and the more ammoclips you put together, the bigger explosion.

                                                                   * Interactive tvs, multiple "real" channels, perhaps even "interesting" channels.


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                                          mysteryperfecta                Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                         03/19/04 08:39 AM

                                                                     Turn this concept on it's head. Besides Duke interacting with the world, I would like to see the
                                                                     world interacting with Duke.

                                                                     I'd like to see different genders/ages/opinions of Duke react accordingly. A female could swoon/
                                                                     check him out, a male could ask for an autograph, a kid could point and stare, etc. A waitress could
                                                                     ask if Duke wants a drink, a cheap suit could pitch a timeshare, a "working girl" could "solicit", etc.

                                                                     Vegas has lounge singers. It would be cool and funny if Duke could step to the mic and warble "Fly
                                                                     Me to the Moon" while shooting baddies (as long as he stayed in close proximity to the mic. Of
                                                                     course, it would eminate from the sound system as well.

                                                                     *Duke could find a cigar, and when needed, take it out of his inventory, put it in his mouth, find an
                                                                     NPC (or a match) to light it, and use the cigar to light sticks of dynamite to throw. Eventually, the
                                                                     cigar would burn up, and Duke would spit out the butt. It might be cool if Duke HAD to have a cigar,
                                                                     and HAD to have an NPC (or book of matches) to light the cigar, to even be able to use dynamite. I
                                                                     guess he could buy a lighter, but even those run out of fluid.

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                                                                     Newpaper dispensers that dispense newspapers, with funny headlines.

                                                                     If there is a level on an huge alien ship, it would be cool to be able to find the bridge, and actually
                                                                     "steer" the ship (according to the main screen). What if you had to steer the ship into the moon/sun,
                                                                     and then hurry to an escape pod?

                                                                     Some people may recoil at this, but what if could actually make your own molotov coctails, using
                                                                     bottles, rags/sheets, and fuel? It would simply be a matter of finding these elements, and when you
                                                                     had all three, having the coctails appear in your inventory.
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                                          Lazaroth                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 08:49 AM

                                                                   Remembered another important!! thing.

                                                                   In the options, have a setting which allow how long stuff should be laying around before they vanishes
                                                                   - BUT the highest setting should be that things NEVER dissapper!


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                                          Nessus                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Lazaroth]
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                                                                   Using a hose to put out a fire.

                                                                   Ride a roller coaster, maybe even shoot enemies trying to snipe you while on it.

                                                                   Play pool.

                                                                   Play blackjack with NPC's

                                                                   Be able to change a channel on a TV.

                                                                   Use a computer realistically.
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                                          Wamplet                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Lazaroth]
                                                                       03/19/04 09:07 AM

                                                                   Probably more of a multiplayer idea, in terms of usefulness, but allow Duke to set up security cameras
                                                                   rather than be forced to use them where they are initially placed.

                                                                   Having bullets richochet off some surfaces would be nice, as well as being able to shoot through
                                                                   others.

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                                          Robstamack                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 09:08 AM

                                                                   -Definitely a lamp that you can pick up and use as a weapon. Imagine the light & shadowing effects as
                                                                   you swing it around before finally connecting with an enemy and leaving the immediate area light-
                                                                   less.

                                                                   -How about some of those electricity balls that you touch and the electricity collects where your hand
                                                                   & fingers are touching. Imagine the possibilties with throwing this item at an enemy (Duke:
                                                                   Shocking!)

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                                          Kronx                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Nessus]
                                                                       03/19/04 09:28 AM

                                                                   vibrating bed - (Flips it on. It gets out of control and explodes perhaps?)

                                                                   Garage door opener

                                                                   Any kind of vehicle

                                                                   Phone - I always thought it would be cool to have a "useable" phone. Perhaps Duke finds various
                                                                   phone numbers in little places here and there and when he calls them he gets different Easter Egg
                                                                   type messages.

                                                                   Reading folks e-mail is always fun

                                                                   Hmmmmm...a playable Atari 2600 game! Or a fictional console from that era with a game like that.
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                                          Combat Chuck                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Detharin]
                                                                       03/19/04 09:33 AM

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                                                                       Most games have a couple idle animations, occasionally one for each gun. I would like to see it taken
                                                                       one step further.For their to be more interations with the guns than point and click. Such as
                                                                       dissassembling and reassembling of the various guns as idle animations and if you interupt the
                                                                       animation it could cause one more more humerous screwups.


                                                                   I think it'd be cool to see Duke turn his pistol sideways, rack the slide, and catch the live round it spits
                                                                   out. The only problem would be whether the round should be taken into account with the total number
                                                                   of bullets in the clip at the time, as some people wouldn't want to be losing random bullets from their
                                                                   clip. The bullet wouldn't be lost, though, as it could go back into the total ammo count for the weapon.

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                                                                       -gameplay-i like the valve idea. perhaps a huge pipe of water is running down a corridor. you see
                                                                       enemies running towards you. you also see hanging lights above. hmmm. duke throws the valve open
                                                                       and water comes flowing out. he then takes aim at the lights above and just as the enemies reach the
                                                                       water on the ground, he blasts the lights and they fall to the ground, electrocuting the enemies.



                                                                   In one level, Sin had a massive pipe with a valve on it that would cause a pretty big explosion. On a
                                                                   sign above it, it said, "Do not play with valvE."

                                                                   On further interactivity, I'd love to see some computer puzzles, where you had to actually use
                                                                   computers regularly rather than simply flipping switches.


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                                          maxskill                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: ADM]
                                                                       03/19/04 10:03 AM

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                                                                       Gameplay:
                                                                       - Turn on a computer, surf the net (mock up sites or something..



                                                                   Heres an idea .. when in the duke nukem forever game you run up on a computer and from that
                                                                   computer you can play the a few levels of duke nukem 3d .. could be where if you beat the level in
                                                                   that game it will make a door open in the real game or something like that ... or you could play the
                                                                   old duke or some other game in multiplayer from within the new duke game ..

                                                                   it would be a war within a war .. ( like to get to a big gun you have to make a door open but to do
                                                                   that you have to challange someone to a " small game of duke 3d then both sides go into a locked
                                                                   room (this way they can't get shot in the back by other players )... a fight it out and the winner get to
                                                                   leave the roon out the front and get the big weapon and the losser just respawns somewhere in the
                                                                   level ...

                                                                   or It could be like capture the flag in that you have 2 teams and each team protect the player that is
                                                                   playing on the small computer while he plays the other teams player .. and with each kill in the small
                                                                   game "d3d" the winning teams gets an item that they would need to win the main game that is being
                                                                   played .. so then a member has to leave with that item and get it to the other side .. at this point you
                                                                   has a chioce on wheater to send that person alone with the item or send other player to gaurd him but
                                                                   in doing so you have less players to gaurd the small computer game .....while other item are won
                                                                   I say all this because it would be a way for the old timmers to use the skill with D3D in the new duke
                                                                   nukem forever ...... there is alot more way to use this idea .. I just listed a few.


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                                          Detharin                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Combat Chuck]
                                                                       03/19/04 10:17 AM

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                                                                       I think it'd be cool to see Duke turn his pistol sideways, rack the slide, and catch the live round it spits
                                                                       out. The only problem would be whether the round should be taken into account with the total number
                                                                       of bullets in the clip at the time, as some people wouldn't want to be losing random bullets from their
                                                                       clip. The bullet wouldn't be lost, though, as it could go back into the total ammo count for the weapon.




                                                                   I dont think the animations should affect the ammo levels. That way when they happen you dont have
                                                                   to reload to get that bullet back. Racking the slide on the Desert Eagle would be good. Taking the clip
                                                                   out and checking to see how many rounds remain (possibly have little nukem symbols on the tips of
                                                                   the bullets).


                                                                   Fun: I would also like to see the ability to put personalized patches on pipebombs for multiplayer. Kind
                                                                   of like armbands in rainbow 6. Imagine pipebombs with little smiley faces, or pick me up written on
                                                                   them.

                                                                   Gameplay: Shooting a ceiling of appropraite material can cause dust and debris to rain down on an
                                                                   opponent. Say for instance theirs a soldier behind a desk taking potshots at you, shoot the ceiling
                                                                   above him to temporarily blind and disorient him due to the dust.

                                                                   More after i sleep.


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                                          Bluntaxe                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
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                                                                   few ideas, some might have already been said.

                                                                   Zip cords - Those wires that you always see some action star 'zip' across from one building to another.

                                                                   Radios - Lets you select from a directory of MP3s to play a song. Maybe attracts nearby enemies.

                                                                   Slot Machines - It's Vegas!!!

                                                                   Working Elevator's (can select which floor to go to)

                                                                   Working Doors - Especially for multiplayer.

                                                                   Mounted Weapons - Oh Ya!

                                                                   Road block that says "Road Open: When it's done!" :P


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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Combat Chuck]
                                                                       03/19/04 10:30 AM

                                                                   I wanna see blood / guts on my weapons after an insane close encounter with some enemies (Shadow
                                                                   Warrior) or if an explosion goes off near an enemy and Duke is close, ya should get covered in blood /
                                                                   guts, etc. the blood / guts should stay on the weapons until ya jump into some water, go into a
                                                                   bathroom - turn on the shower, etc. er hey, if you wait long enough it would dry on. I hate always
                                                                   seeing "clean" weapons, I mean gimme a ****** break.. I just killed 100 alien bastards, atleast make
                                                                   it look like i've been in a battle, y'know?

                                                                   If i throw a grenade / pipebomb er some sort of explosive into water, sand, grass.. i wanna see water,
                                                                   sand, mud, grass.. ****** debris! fly up after the explosion.

                                                                   Water, blood, er any liquid for that matter get's splashed onto the screen (Dukes glasses).. Imagine
                                                                   acid of some sort from an alien splashing onto Dukes glasses, and watching them corrode / melt right
                                                                   infront of yer eyes, stuff like that would rock! I think we've already seen some of this in the E3 2001
                                                                   video, but more so.. Metroid Prime / Wave Race 2 comes to mind, different effects on Dukes glasses,
                                                                   condensation (steamy situations       ) ect. This adds alot of immersion.

                                                                   Particle effects gallore, I wanna see sparks, smoke, debris fly off shit if i'm shooting things.

                                                                   If i'm shooting alot, smoke / heat distortion should come from the barrel(s) of the weapon.

                                                                   I guess that didn't have much to do with interactivity. But alot of these things would make gameplay
                                                                   more interesting..



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                                          Bluntaxe                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Kronx]
                                                                       03/19/04 10:33 AM

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                                                                       Phone - I always thought it would be cool to have a "useable" phone. Perhaps Duke finds various phone
                                                                       numbers in little places here and there and when he calls them he gets different Easter Egg type
                                                                       messages.




                                                                   What about a cell-phone that he can call up other players in multi-player and taunt them directly...


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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 10:47 AM

                                                                   Damn, it took like 10 minutes to read this thread!           Anywhoo---



                                                                   q Duke's hands should be a part of interacting, so to speak. Whenever Duke does any interacting--
                                                                   opening doors, unscrewing bottle caps, climbing ladders, pushing a button etc.---you should see his
                                                                   hands making the appropriate motions. It would immerse you into the game's world immensely, IMO.



                                                                   q  Enemies interacting with everything. In the casinos you'd get to see Pig Cops attempting to use the
                                                                   slot machines then busting them up whe they fail,      playing pool, and so on.



                                                                   q I really like the already mentioned idea of computers so much I'm mentioning it again.        You'd
                                                                   have fairly simplistic computers, with a few games that are mocking standard things--MS-Solitaire
                                                                   with a deck that has pig cop images on back, Pacman with a a little Duke head with sharp teeth eating
                                                                   the pellets     ...and then also have a small internet with a few spoofs of popular sites, and mini
                                                                   version of the 3dr forums making fun of all the cliche's around, such as a new poster with the name
                                                                   "n00B" posting and whining... "It's taking too long, man! My life revolves aroudn the game! I'm gonna
                                                                   commit suicide!!"And then George and Joe both posting GIANT "                 " and locking the thread.


                                                                   q  Shotgun power. No FPS shotgun has ever felt more kickass than the Doom super-shotgun, because
                                                                   of it's..power. So follow from there, and don't go with a realistic shotgun: make it fling enemies back
                                                                   about 10 feet and very quickly as the crash into whatever's behind them.


                                                                   q   And finally, I'll just say the Shrinker. Use it well and make it interact with other objects, IMO.

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                                          Krid                           Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                         03/19/04 10:50 AM

                                                                   *A revolutionary MacGuyver system - If you can lift it, you can smash crap with it.

                                                                   *A computer console system where you can browse a simulated (Real?) internet (Porn!) and play old
                                                                   games that are rendered to a texture (Dukes 1, 2, 3D. The full versions in some kinda module format.
                                                                   Emulated if need be for the first two.)

                                                                   *An electronics system - You know that crap you learned in Physics 2? Let us screw around with that
                                                                   stuff. Roll your own railgun

                                                                   *If the previous one, then a digital logic system. Just because it'd be cool to make a computer from
                                                                   transistors and the like inside a computer game.


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                                          Soilwork                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Soilwork]
                                                                         03/19/04 10:50 AM

                                                                   If i'm driving vehicals you should be able to play with some of the buttons inside, example..
                                                                   windshield wipers (especially after some Carmageddon action       ), radio (volume, different stations,
                                                                   CD's, etc.), e-brake, horn, clock that works?..

                                                                   Listen to yer own custom soundtrack while you play? Say you find an MP3 player in the game, you
                                                                   could pick it up, use it - have the songs that you chose be played on the MP3 player. Maybe not very
                                                                   Duke-ish, but it would be cool none the less.

                                                                   ...




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                                          JackMeaph
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: maxskill]
                                                                       03/19/04 10:52 AM




                                                                   Perhaps a theme park level with interactive games and rides?



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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: JackMeaph]
                                                                       03/19/04 10:57 AM

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                                                                       Perhaps a theme park level with interactive games and rides?



                                                                   i mentioned it somewhere above:

                                                                   "-gameplay-fun-those alien bastards have invaded an amusement park! poor kids are being
                                                                   terrorized! duke chases them to the theme park. have it where he gets on the park intercom and
                                                                   maybe give him a few choice lines like "all non-alien beings, please leave the park, it's gonna get
                                                                   messy!" "the park is now being shut down for some much overdo cleaning-get out!" "ohhh, this is
                                                                   gonna be fun!" get on some rides like rollercoasters, tilt a whirls, etc. stop on the midway and play
                                                                   some more games. "
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                                          Krid                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 11:06 AM

                                                                   Oh! I know! NPCs that don't act like idiots!

                                                                   You know, people who run and hide when they're being shot at instead of just standing there and
                                                                   taking it, or trying to return fire from out in the open.

                                                                   AI needs to seek cover, period. Unarmed AI needs to run away as fast as it can, period.


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                                          Syph                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: Krid]
                                                                       03/19/04 11:28 AM

                                                                   I don't want to be stuck and not able to get over a four foot wall without the aid of a jetpack.
                                                                   Basically, I want to feel more powerful than I do in real life, not handicapped. It's annoying to play
                                                                   something and go, "Shit, I could do that. Why can't the bad-ass hero?"
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                                          Mr.DJ                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
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                                                                   Here's some ideas(no particulary order), I think would make Duke cooler than ever ;-)

                                                                   1. It would be cool to finally see an UFO. if you could make an invasion of LA like in "Independence
                                                                   Day"it would be ultra cool. The giant mothership would of course have to be destroyed, with the
                                                                   biggest and most advanced explosion ever seen in a video game.

                                                                   2. Weapon stores, with LOTS of weapons would be cool to have. Alien spaceships could also have
                                                                   these and be an good excuse to have alien weapons :-)

                                                                   3. Flameable liquids. It would be fun to take these to a further level than done before in other games.

                                                                   4. A cool game moment could be created by letting a comet crash down on earth and let all kinds of
                                                                   weird aliens rise from this.

                                                                   5. Interact with strippers. Some examples: Pay a stripper to distract 2 badguys away from a security
                                                                   door. Save a stripper from an assult and let her help you by givin her a weapon. They could also be
                                                                   used to open/lock doors for you.

                                                                   6. Many people is complaining about dead bodies dissapering, so it would maybe an idea to let this be
                                                                   an performance option, you could enable/disable.

                                                                   7. When duke is almost dead you could blur his vision a little and make the crosshair lesser steady.

                                                                   8. Earthquakes which opens a big crack on the ground or makes buildnings coming crashing down
                                                                   would be cool.

                                                                   9. Other nature disasters like tornados, vulkanos would also add to cool gaming moments, if done
                                                                   ingame and in realtime :-)

                                                                   10. Deformable terrain would be cool.

                                                                   11. An underground train subsystem would be cool. Duke could use it for transport or to solve other
                                                                   gameplay problems. Example Duke has to get inside a highly secured building. It so happens that the
                                                                   subway is running under the building. And....... I'm sure you can come up with an idea of what could
                                                                   happen next ;-)

                                                                   12. Now we are at it, an airport would also be cool. Especially if Duke is able to control a plane. You
                                                                   could have 2 airports in the city. And this way have air traffic and maybe be able to shot those
                                                                   airplanes down with passengers ;-)

                                                                   That's it from now. I'll maybe post some more ideas later :-)


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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Syph]
                                                                       03/19/04 11:34 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       I don't want to be stuck and not able to get over a four foot wall without the aid of a jetpack. Basically,
                                                                       I want to feel more powerful than I do in real life, not handicapped. It's annoying to play something
                                                                       and go, "Shit, I could do that. Why can't the bad-ass hero?"



                                                                   I remember George saying something awhile back that alittle 4' table ain't gonna stop Duke from
                                                                   jumping onto it, so i wouldn't worry.



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                                          Beelze                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 11:54 AM

                                                                   All of these are for gameplay and many of them are for fun.

                                                                   Using the Shrinker to interact with the environment:

                                                                   Using the Shrinker to shrink large objects, pick them up, throw it at your enemy and timing the throw
                                                                   so that it regains its size just before hitting your target. Imagine shrinking a big boulder and throwing
                                                                   it at an enemy. In the right moment the boulder becomes large once again and transforms your
                                                                   enemy into a baggy sack of meat.

                                                                   Shrinking yourself to walk through narrow spaces (already done in DN3D I believe).

                                                                   Shrinking boobytraps that might be in the game so other players won't notice them (laser trip mines,
                                                                   other mines, trip wire bombs, pipe bombs, etc).

                                                                   Using the Freezer to freeze most interactive objects for various purposes:

                                                                   You could freeze a lever, button, switch, etc, to make sure no one will be able to push it for some time.

                                                                   You could also freeze the top layer of water in a pool to lock someone inside it.

                                                                   You could barricade corridors or entrances/exits with blocks of ice.
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                                                                   You could create big blocks of ice on top of a building and pushing them down on unsuspecting
                                                                   opponents.

                                                                   If someone jumps from a high building, planning to land safely in water below (a pool or something),
                                                                   you could estimate where in the water he's going to land and freeze that spot... in that way you can
                                                                   help him with breaking some bones.

                                                                   You could freeze machinery so that it stops.


                                                                   ... I'll post more if I come up with something...
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                                          The                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                          Cartographer                 03/19/04 12:18 PM

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                                                                       What kinds of things do you hope to see, both in terms of "fun", and also for "gameplay". In practical
                                                                       terms, there is basically no limit to what you can suggest, but everything has to be balanced with how
                                                                       long it takes to implement vs how useful it is in game.




                                                                   If 3DR has a policy of keeping the controls and key bindings to a minimum, then I think a game must
                                                                   maximize the use key and the effects of a gun shot.

                                                                   The gun shot destroys targets. Enemies, but also the environement. So I think "interaction with a
                                                                   gun" should be maximized as well. So you should many different things happenning when you shoot
                                                                   something.



                                                                   WEAPON INTERACTION:


                                                                   Basic gunshots :

                                                                   q Cutting the rope/chain that supports a container? The container falls and crushes the enemies
                                                                   underneath. (Works with the chainsaw, too).
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                                                                   q   Shooting crates or barrels so they tumble down and crush incoming enemies?


                                                                   q Puncturing holes in liquid containers? The liquid (lava, water, etc) comes pouring out and kills
                                                                   enemies?


                                                                   q   Activating "pressable" switches from a distance, like in Duke 3D?




                                                                   Shrinker :

                                                                   q  Possible to shrink something else than enemies? Shrinking something that blocks your path, like a
                                                                   tree or a living alien artifact?

                                                                   (It has to be organic otherwise you’d have to flag every damn thing like desks and pencils as
                                                                   "shrinkable". And then it’s the same nightmare as deciding what’s destructable and what’s not.)




                                                                   Freezer :

                                                                   q Possible to freeze something else than enemies? Lava, rushing water or any other form of liquid
                                                                   hazard that blocks your path.

                                                                   So you whip out the freezer and shoot the liquid. It becomes solid and this solves the "puzzle" created
                                                                   by the liquid. If it’s lava that blocked your path, you can now walk upon it (but be quick as it will melt
                                                                   soon!).

                                                                   Ex: let's say the Freezer's primary fire shoots ice shards, but secondary fire shoots a straight beam of
                                                                   frost. And you have to run through a lava pool. So you keep the Freezer aimed down and you shoot a
                                                                   constant beam with the secondary fire, always aiming at where you're going. A bit like that Ice Gliding
                                                                   dude in X-Men.

                                                                   Or if a rushing stream of water was powering gears below, you freeze the water. It stops the gears
                                                                   and turns off the machine since the water no longer moves.




                                                                   Flamethrower :

                                                                   q   Used for something else than burning enemies?

                                                                   q   Burning trees and foliage that block your path?

                                                                   q   Cutting through a wall of ice/alien slime that blocks your path?

                                                                   q   Heating the water of a steam machine so it has power?
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                                                                   USE KEY INTERACTION :

                                                                   q   Operating the obvious. Switches, buttons, elevators, keypads.

                                                                   q Picking up useful stuff. Pick up a fire extinguisher, throw it and shoot it. Boom! Last resort when
                                                                   you’re out of pipebombs.

                                                                   q  Activating stuff for fun : pool tables, phones, toilets, TVs, slot machines, vending machines,
                                                                   strippers, etc.

                                                                   q   Grabbing onto ropes, legdes and stuff. This could be hell to implement though.


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                                          brabee                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 12:22 PM

                                                                   1) If enemies can throw grenades, Duke should be able to return them.
                                                                   2) Being able to pick up e.g. chair and smash it of enemy's head
                                                                   3) seeing max payne running very slowly and being killed by very fast alien (similar could happen to
                                                                   every famous action hero
                                                                   4) being able to kick doors
                                                                   5) being able to rollover a table for cover
                                                                   6) being able to get drunk (but better done than in deus ex)
                                                                   7) witty jokes about some posters or pictures of famous people
                                                                   8) I really think DNF should contain some real informations (UFO accident in Roosevelt)
                                                                   9) smoking man, mulder and scully (they investigate, duke shoots...) or some similar characters

                                                                   Not much, but it is something:)
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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Beelze]
                                                                       03/19/04 12:23 PM

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                                                                       You could also freeze the top layer of water in a pool to lock someone inside it.
                                                                       If someone jumps from a high building, planning to land safely in water below (a pool or something),
                                                                       you could estimate where in the water he's going to land and freeze that spot... in that way you can
                                                                       help him with breaking some bones.



                                                                   Nice!

                                                                   It would also be cool if there was a setting on the shrink-ray of some sort that allows things to be
                                                                   shruken permently!

                                                                   Imagine shrinking a car, then yourself.. driving around a level micromachines style.

                                                                   Haha, endless possibilities, endless fun!



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                                          Beelze                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Soilwork]
                                                                       03/19/04 12:31 PM

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                                                                       Imagine shrinking a car, then yourself.. driving around a level micromachines style.




                                                                   Great idea!

                                                                   I'm against permanently shrinking things, but I would like it if you could charge up the weapon so
                                                                   things could stay shrinked for longer times. Also... you must shrink the car first and then yourself.
                                                                   Otherwise you'll grow big before the car and get squished in it... or something.

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                                          Jezza                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Beelze]
                                                                       03/19/04 12:50 PM

                                                                   I'd like to see a realistic health system... As duke gets porgressively injured, he becomes slower, his
                                                                   aim is reduced and he sweats... causing his glasses to condence and him have to keep wiping them
                                                                   dry. When he takes them off, you could blur everything showing how poorly sighted Duke really is.

                                                                   I'd also like to see reactions from enemies relating to where you shoot them. A well placed shotgun
                                                                   shot in the groin would prevent all enemies from fighting back... cos I'd certainly not be thinking
                                                                   about that if my crotch had just been filled with shot. A few shots to a knee would cause an enemy to
                                                                   fall over, and shooting their hand could cause them to drop their gun... Obviously this should also be
                                                                   applied to Duke, too.

                                                                   Duke should be able to kick dead bodies on the floor.

                                                                   I agree with alot of people on here already who've said that environment should be able to be used to
                                                                   kill...
                                                                   Shooting a fire extinguisher would squirt foam at enemies and cause them to be ubnable to see, or if
                                                                   it's a CO2 extinguisher then it should just explode. I'd like to be able to club people with the
                                                                   extinguisher before I throw it and shoot it, too.
                                                                   It would be cool if I could but napalm or ethanol and throw it at enemies, and then shoot at the floor
                                                                   beneath them (where it's dripping) and set them alight...

                                                                   I'll be back with more ideas later
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                                          Agulf                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 01:36 PM


                                                                   Uberrequest:
                                                                   When you look down, you actually see something there.
                                                                   Come on, is it just me or is it getting really boring floating around as a head with a gun making odd
                                                                   walking noices?



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                                          Beelze                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Agulf]
                                                                       03/19/04 01:39 PM

                                                                   ^ I agree with you, 100%.
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                                          Inanimate                    George [Re: George Broussard]
                                          Carbon Rod                   03/19/04 01:57 PM

                                                                   I would like to see the roof tops accessible. It always kind of bugs me when you can see the roof top
                                                                   but the boundries of the level block you from doing so.

                                                                   Funny idle animations would be cool, but not taking apart a weapon.. that would get gay really
                                                                   quickly.

                                                                   Boobie physics... nuff said

                                                                   Doors that stay open.

                                                                   Since there is most likely going to be a casino level, I would like to see many of the games playable.
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                                          FireFly                      Re: George [Re: Inanimate Carbon Rod]
                                                                       03/19/04 02:00 PM

                                                                   NPC interaction - NPC's should react differently depending on the situation and their innate
                                                                   personality. So women might run away screaming if you try to attack them, but men would stand
                                                                   their ground, maybe teaming up with other bystanders to take you on.

                                                                   Also, every NPC should have a role, and a purpose within the gameplay world, so you should be able
                                                                   follow every character around and watch them go about their day to day business. For instance, you
                                                                   might follow a scientist into some secret laboratory and pick up the latest experimental weapon. Even
                                                                   better, if it really was experimental and ended up going wrong or blowing up the scientist!

                                                                   Hopefully, we'll see plenty of macabre humour in this regard

                                                                   Environmental interaction - This should be consistent, so if you can blow up a TV you should be
                                                                   able to destroy some light shelving.

                                                                   Furthermore, the effects should realistic.
                                                                   I want to see the plastic casing of the TV break apart sending circuitry flying, not some generic
                                                                   billboarded explosion effect. Progressive destruction would be awesome, if it can be implemented.

                                                                   The microwave example GB gave was impressive, but why stop at rats? What about microwaving body
                                                                   parts, weapons, ammunition, electrical devices, money. Or maybe you could shrink a sofa and watch
                                                                   it toast!

                                                                   In this vein, how about being able to flush things down the toilet, freeze them using a fridge or melt
                                                                   them with corrosive chemicals.
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                                          Shakuan                      Re: George [Re: FireFly]
                                                                       03/19/04 02:09 PM

                                                                   I'd like to be able to lay down pipe bombs, put a garbage can cover on top of them, jump on top of it,
                                                                   and detonate to make extra-high jumps.


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                                          Agulf                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Beelze]
                                                                       03/19/04 02:23 PM

                                                                   ^^

                                                                   Still, I think that should be a feature and not a must.
                                                                   For low-end systems you could turn off high-detailed Dukebody or something.

                                                                   Wonder if Gordon will has a body in HL2...
                                                                   Guess not. Wonder if you have a body in Doom 3...
                                                                   Nope, guess not. Just that same old floatin head we have seen for 10 years... In the mirror you seem
                                                                   to have a body, but as soon as you look down.. Nope. Either you are invincible from neck down and
                                                                   make a circle shadow on the ground (floating head, somebody?              ), or you are some kind of
                                                                   inverted vampire who can only be seen in mirrors...
                                                                   Exept from in maybe two fps games, that is what you got. Come on; Duke is not a head. Duke is a
                                                                   body, with feet to kick ass, hands to hold a RPG and head to think, aim and speak witty one-liners!


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                                          Hudson                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Agulf]
                                                                       03/19/04 02:40 PM

                                                                   I would like something along the lines of "Devastation" (i.e. many, many interactive items in the
                                                                   environment) however tweaking to reduce the "clutter" effect that occurs in Devastation (i.e. wading
                                                                   through piles and tons of bullshit in your way) however anyone who has played the game must admit,
                                                                   its fxcking cool to open fire inside a room and knock just about EVERYTHING off the shelves and
                                                                   tables with your hail of gunfire

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                                          Hudson                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Agulf]
                                                                       03/19/04 02:43 PM

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                                                                       ^^
                                                                       Still, I think that should be a feature and not a must.
                                                                       For low-end systems you could turn off high-detailed Dukebody or something.
                                                                       Wonder if Gordon will has a body in HL2...
                                                                       Guess not. Wonder if you have a body in Doom 3...
                                                                       Nope, guess not. Just that same old floatin head we have seen for 10 years... In the mirror you seem
                                                                       to have a body, but as soon as you look down.. Nope. Either you are invincible from neck down and

                                                                       make a circle shadow on the ground (floating head, somebody?               ), or you are some kind of
                                                                       inverted vampire who can only be seen in mirrors...
                                                                       Exept from in maybe two fps games, that is what you got. Come on; Duke is not a head. Duke is a
                                                                       body, with feet to kick ass, hands to hold a RPG and head to think, aim and speak witty one-liners!



                                                                   This is always been on of my biggest peaves in gaming, Iron Storm was one of the first games that I
                                                                   have ever seen to let the player have a body    Im hoping that DNF may include this

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                                          Mr.Blud                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Hudson]
                                                                       03/19/04 03:08 PM

                                                                   Everything I use in the real world I'd love to have some kind of reaction with in the game.

                                                                   For the microwave example you should be able to put anything in there and it have some kind of
                                                                   effect.

                                                                   EVERYTHING should be either used, picked up, or both.

                                                                   You could freeze the floor and cause enemies to slip (same thing with shooting foodstuffs.)

                                                                   A working sprinkler system would rock.

                                                                   EVERY light should be able to be shot out (except weird alien lights or whatnot.)
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                                          Kalki                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: brabee]
                                                                       03/19/04 03:12 PM

                                                                   Thank you George for allowing me the opportunity to repeat just about everything I’ve said on these
                                                                   boards since 1999. I have some solid wisdom to provide I think. Before I proceed, I want to pimp the
                                                                   body agenda a bit.

                                                                   First off, I liked Breakdown’s overall approach to interactivity from the vids I’ve seen. You couldn’t
                                                                   harm DNF by building on that.

                                                                   When Trespasser introduced the concept of first person with body perspective, it was found to be too
                                                                   radical. I hope it can work today though. And I think Duke should be the guy to reintroduce it. What
                                                                   better way to “up” the characterization revolution begun by Duke3D, than by evolving the voice into a
                                                                   persona who is every bit within the gameworld. The ego-trip could reach a new level. *I* could finally
                                                                   have muscles to be proud of!

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                                                                   Or atleast have hands interacting with objects. That is very important, George. You can’t believe how
                                                                   lame it looks in the HL2 Dune buggy video where the steering wheel and mounted gun seem to move
                                                                   about by themselves.

                                                                   Object Interactivity:-

                                                                   Imaging devices(mostly fun):

                                                                   Stuff like TVs should show some kind of small video footage if you can hack them into the game
                                                                   engine. Explain the intermittent static and blackouts as the aliens messing around with our television.
                                                                   Ditto with Videophones. And the futuristic gameworld has to have a lot of these. Oh, do the wrong
                                                                   number deal with the naked girl on the other end who gets embarrassed and covers up. It’ll be a nice
                                                                   homage to quite a few films.
                                                                   Computers: Software hacking is something I leave up to you. If you think it fits in the game as an
                                                                   interesting thing the player can do, go for it. Have a puzzle element to it. But it could slow the game
                                                                   down for players who don’t seem to be able to pass on the optional challenge. Duke should be able to
                                                                   use these to glean some info. If not, he should find some safe porn on there.
                                                                   Cameras and Security Monitors(gameplay): You don’t have to go too deep with these things just
                                                                   because you want to build on this aspect of Duke3D. A limited panning and zooming feature in the
                                                                   security monitors should be enough. Enough to get an idea as to what you’re going to be facing soon
                                                                   enough.

                                                                   Now all imaging devices should be destroyable. When shot up, they could get smashed or electrically
                                                                   explode if they were running at the time. Security cameras should be destroyable too. Of course, an
                                                                   enemy on the monitor that was watching through it should get static on his screen and either signal
                                                                   reinforcements to your position or get down to you personally, gathering any enemies it finds along
                                                                   the way. This falls in NPC AI territory a bit and while I’m not a fan of stealth-based gameplay,
                                                                   avoiding the camera should have rewards by not having the player be detected. Of course, if the
                                                                   player chooses to ‘use’ a wall mounted security camera, Duke could wave and say, “Cheese, now
                                                                   come and get me a**hole!”, an invitation for some simple rushing enemy tactics(which would
                                                                   otherwise be duck and cover), for some plain old ass kicking fun.

                                                                   I suggest you watch Minority Report for ‘futuristic’ ideas. Unless some fresher movie comes along
                                                                   when you’re implementing all of this.

                                                                   Drink stuff and fluid dynamics(gameplay *is* fun):

                                                                   The ‘99 Damguide screenshot featured this nice coffee pot. That should be usable. You could drink it,
                                                                   giving Duke a slight speed boost as well (since you’re probably implementing steroids…) as some
                                                                   health points or you could smash it, particularly if it’s hot, on some poor schmuck’s head to watch the
                                                                   sizzle and steam. The paint bucket splatter in the ‘01 vid was a good effect, the way it got all over the
                                                                   walls and stuff.

                                                                   The old adage works fine. If you can’t use it, you can grab/throw it. If you can’t grab/throw
                                                                   it, you can destroy it. Every small item should be usable and inevitably breakable. If it is
                                                                   broken, it should also have a smaller broken down state or single leftover component that
                                                                   should also be useable, perhaps to greater effect. eg: sharp splinter from baseball bat, etc. Or
                                                                   break the glass from a swiveling window to have a debris of glass fall on the floor. Out of that debris,
                                                                   have one shard of glass that you can pick up, the rest can eventually disappear but the player will
                                                                   focus on the shard in hand.
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                                                                   So I can down a coke bottle for health. Once I’m done, I can smash it on somebody’s head for small
                                                                   damage. Once smashed, I can use the broken half as a stabbing weapon for a kill. Simple design
                                                                   philosophy and a complete one for any game’s interactivity for ages to come. Every item also has a 2-
                                                                   3 step wear and tear progression down to nothing except the particles ’n’ decals that disappear. That
                                                                   still keeps it real.

                                                                   Soda cans should be in as well. Take a look at your pantry for ideas on what foods should be in. Joe’s
                                                                   shown us a good selection of stuff.

                                                                   I think food for health points is a good system in games, even if it’s not too realistic. Don’t make your
                                                                   health system any more complex than it has to be. People have enough trouble simply getting used to
                                                                   the ego system, forget being able to heal a visible player model on a per-pixel basis(which would have
                                                                   been good and realistic…err, realistically good).

                                                                   Flammable/dangerous liquids. Gamers have been wanting this for ages now. Tip over a drum of oil
                                                                   and it should spread across the floor and we should be able to set fire to it. Similarly a spilt vat of acid
                                                                   or toxic chemicals could be dangerous if you step in, wearing down your boots. Work on this, it will
                                                                   prove well worth the time taken when it causes people to splooge all over themselves.

                                                                   Freezing stuff: Water areas are where the Freezer could really shine, you know. Freezing the surface
                                                                   of the pool below your feet should let you walk on it. I’d call that move alone the next rocket-jump.
                                                                   You could also prevent someone underwater from coming up by freezing the surface. Using the
                                                                   freezer underwater could form a chunk of ice right in front of you that hurts you a bit with the cold,
                                                                   but also shields you from deadlier incoming projectiles, even rockets.

                                                                   Btw, I think the shrinker could merely bounce off of vehicles. Would save you a lot of effort. Then
                                                                   again, it wouldn't be as much fun.

                                                                   Vehicles:

                                                                   There is no good excuse not to have them in anymore. Jetpack usage in certain areas and some kind
                                                                   of aircraft for aerial battles are also a must now, sorry about the expectations.

                                                                   Have Duke be the man wrapping his hands around turret controls and steering wheels, that’s all I can
                                                                   say. Don’t allow third-person vehicle views if you’re willing to spend time on the in-vehicle HUD.

                                                                   Humvee, motorcycle, dune buggy, jet ski, mech, jet fighter etc. would be good bets. Animal vehicles
                                                                   should be unruly and dimly responsive to controls.

                                                                   Car radios are cool.

                                                                   Ladders:

                                                                   Again, I’d like the visual “hands-on” approach. Draw weapons (for smaller ones) would be automatic
                                                                   in mid-climb should you turn, no need for a weapon when you’re only looking at the ladder though.

                                                                   Doors:

                                                                   Wooden ones can be broken down with kicks, tougher ones with pipebombs. Again, hacking door
                                                                   electronics for the more open-ended map is your call but I’ll give it a shot if there’s a nice puzzle
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                                                                   involved.

                                                                   And hurling the octabrain by the tentacles is a good idea. Very hulk-like. In fact, that’s the approach
                                                                   you should take with all throwable stuff. It gets a lot more engaging than a gravity gun that way.

                                                                   Grabbing onto chains and ledges while tedious to implement would make navigating through puzzles/
                                                                   hazards more cinematic. Being able to hoist a helpless female on your shoulders while you're doing it
                                                                   is even more cinematic, especially if there's a nice payoff at the end.

                                                                   In-game games:

                                                                   Don’t go overboard on this. People keep fantasizing about playing video games within a game so do 1
                                                                   or 2 arcade games that get over quickly. Maybe as a joke you simply have the viewpoint switch to
                                                                   third person when you use the video game. In this mode, there is no way to leave the immediate area
                                                                   and you screw around with the other machines only making beeping and ringing noises. That’s all.
                                                                   When you hit use again, you switch back and find yourself in front of the arcade machine again. It’s
                                                                   the future, they’ll have games that look as good as RL.

                                                                   Since it is Vegas, your focus should be slot machines, roulette wheels, etc. Gameplay impact on
                                                                   Duke’s economy? Depends on how you fare.

                                                                   Don’t do:
                                                                   Assembled weapons. That could get boring. I don’t want to have to pour oil down and empty bottle to
                                                                   build a molotov’s cocktail. It wouldn’t be worth it. Heck, I don’t think you could get the average gamer
                                                                   to hold a lighter in their left hand, a can of hair spray on their right and use them together as a flame
                                                                   thrower.

                                                                   A damage system that impedes vision, movement too badly.

                                                                   Misc:
                                                                   Elevators, valves, ATMs (hackable? Sure, if Duke’s credit card gets rejected when the economy takes
                                                                   a dive), info kiosks(telling you not to panic and to cooperate with your alien overlords), newspapers
                                                                   (lying everywhere. Digital? See Minority Report), browsable magazines (refer to UBB babe thread),
                                                                   any of the interactive Las Vegas sights, etc.

                                                                   Household appliances:
                                                                   Ceiling fans, lamps, lights, refrigerators, drawers, cupboards, microwaves, toasters, gas ovens (turn
                                                                   them on without lighting them and put a aerosol can in the microwave and set it on a timer- burn the
                                                                   whole kitchen!), answering machines, plasma televisions(or 3D holo displays), kitchen knives, music
                                                                   systems, safe vault, etc.

                                                                   NPCs:
                                                                   Stripper. The hooker with the heart of gold who takes you in. The intelligent female doctor who while
                                                                   healing you slowly is annoyed yet flattered by Duke’s lewdness. The pretty young thang who tears off
                                                                   a part of her itsy bitsy t-shirt, to bandage it around your arm/Duke autographing said t-shirt. Elvis
                                                                   impersonator. Stripper. Lesbians in porno shoot. Clown. Showgirl. Stripper. etc.

                                                                   See mysteryperfecta’s post on npc interactivity. If you haven’t been paying attention to what we’ve
                                                                   been saying all these years, I’ll remind you of them when expressing my opinions about this game.



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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Kalki]
                                                                       03/19/04 03:46 PM

                                                                   at this point, i wouldn't mind if they just push back dnf to 2006 and release it on duke's 10th
                                                                   anniversary from duke 3d.

                                                                   these ideas rock for the most part and they should look at implementing alot of this stuff. that will
                                                                   take time.

                                                                   at this point, what's the harm?
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                                          QuiGonJ                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/19/04 04:07 PM

                                                                   Being able to drive multiple paths in the vehicles would be nice. Not to the GTA extent, but just
                                                                   something that would change the levels up a bit during replays, with an easier path and a "Damn I'm
                                                                   Good" path possibly as options.

                                                                   If it's a door, we should be able to open it, like Bioware did in KOTOR, or just like you did (come to
                                                                   think of it) in Duke 3D. More fun not seeing locked doors all over the place.

                                                                   For non-story critical areas, destructable walls would be cool. If the point is to blow stuff up, then
                                                                   that's what we wanna do.

                                                                   Dunno if Bombshell is still in the game, but good interactivity there in terms of story, facial
                                                                   expressions and the like as in BG&E would be cool. BG&E's companions were relatively smart in
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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:05 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       at this point, i wouldn't mind if they just push back dnf to 2006 and release it on duke's 10th
                                                                       anniversary from duke 3d.
                                                                       these ideas rock for the most part and they should look at implementing alot of this stuff. that will take
                                                                       time.
                                                                       at this point, what's the harm?



                                                                   Well, why not? That's what id Software's been doing with most of their titles, making their releases 10
                                                                   years after the originals. Of course, Duke Nukem goes about 5 years before Duke 3D with the original
                                                                   side scroller, different topic, though.

                                                                   As for what I like to see as far as interactivity, well, like in Deus Ex, I like to pick up explosive crates
                                                                   or barrels, and toss them through windows, or toss them into aliens and splatter them on contact.
                                                                   Also, like in Max Payne, I'd like to be able to play the slot machines and spin the roulette wheel, that
                                                                   was awesome... Also with the beer fountains, that was cool, too. Duke could drink the beer to get
                                                                   himself healthier, but the Dukeweiser (tm) would also include some steroid ingerdients in there, that'll
                                                                   be awesome.

                                                                   I liked those phone jokes that you had in DNMP, and the calls that made me roll outta my seat. I think
                                                                   those deserve to come back in DNF, I liked those jokes in Shadow Warrior with the phones, too,
                                                                   something like that. Having a pool table was a must, like someone mentioned before, and how does
                                                                   using the cue stick as a weapon sound? That would be awesome!

                                                                   Yeah, I could keep going on and on, but I understand that this thread is limited, so I'll just keep what
                                                                   I got now, and say some more suggestions come tomorrow. That sounds great, though.
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                                                                   blue moon, when you realize that not everything in life is free? I don't get it, but it is very true!

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                                          Krid                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: QuiGonJ]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:18 PM

                                                                   Let us play as bombshell!

                                                                   Maybe with an alternate set of levels or something, or even just alternate text and speech, but you
                                                                   gotta let us play her!


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                                          tony                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:31 PM

                                                                   One thing I really love to be able to do is pick up most anything, and be able to throw it at something.
                                                                   I probably spent a half our in DX2 throwing a pillow at people. Id lik to see new reactions to this type
                                                                   of thing from NPCs. Instead of a generic "hey, dont do that!" maybe they could have a threshold
                                                                   before they could freak out and maybe attack. And not just throwing too, being able to swing things
                                                                   like chairs, lamps, baseball bats, the leg of a stripper, and cause damage would be all too cool... then
                                                                   the alt-fire of the item could be to throw it. Beating a half-way dead enemy with his own leg would be
                                                                   great

                                                                   Different kinds of mines/bombs are a must, imo. I'm assuming laser-trip mines and pipe-bombs are
                                                                   in.. so Id like to see a 'sticky' remote-driven mine/bomb added as well as a proximity mine.

                                                                   Causing damage to things is always cool. I dont care for destructive levels ala RedFaction, but
                                                                   something better than the face of a vending machine just switching to a 'broken' texture. Doing
                                                                   something simple as having it fall over would make it a lot cooler. Having it fall over if an exposion is
                                                                   near by would add a neat gameplay element. I could throw a pipe-bomb behind a vending machine,
                                                                   wait for someone to walk close to it, then cause an explosion having the vending machine fall on the
                                                                   unsuspecting enemy.

                                                                   Vehicles are fun, even if they dont add much to the story line of the game.

                                                                   Turning lights on and off, and having it cause reactions from enemies and NPCs. If the light is off, and
                                                                   NPC would try and turn it on. If the light is broken, they'll flip it a few times then make a comment
                                                                   about it.

                                                                   Conversations between NPCs and between enemys are always great.

                                                                   Lude comments between Duke and the strippers would be great.
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                                          0marTheZealot                Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:46 PM

                                                                   How having a large explosion (C4, detonators on a building going off, dynamite) make Duke drop his
                                                                   clip while he's reloading? That'd be pretty sweet.

                                                                   Also, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE MATERIALS SHOOTABLE. I can not stand having a guy
                                                                   behind a THIN WALL, a WOODEN BOX, or ALUMINUM SIDING, and none of bullets are going thru that.
                                                                   It's annoying. Don't make it CS style where you can shoot thru 5 feet of concrete if the right layers
                                                                   are used, but please, boxes/doors/thin walls should be penetrable.

                                                                   Oh yea, make deaths more realistic. Instead of instant deaths, make them cough up blood, crawl, beg
                                                                   etc etc. It's kind of annoying when you shoot the shit outta someone, but it's like the legs, and they
                                                                   just fall over. They should die realistic. That one scene from Kill Bill near the end is what I'm
                                                                   imagining after you're done with a room

                                                                   Also, grenades should be fragmentation as that's what most grenades are. Unless you really want HE
                                                                   grenades in the game.
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                                          SpamViking                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: 0marTheZealot]
                                                                       03/19/04 06:55 PM

                                                                   Well I haven't read this entire thread so my apologies if this has already been mentioned. Interactivity
                                                                   you say? Seeing as how the game takes place in and around Las Vegas, I have but one word:
                                                                   BROTHELS!!!!

                                                                   The possibilities are endless!
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                                          ExcessiveForce
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: SpamViking]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:36 PM




                                                                    I'd like to freeze a pipe bomb to a wall.
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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: ExcessiveForce]
                                                                       03/19/04 07:49 PM

                                                                   Yeah, a pipe bomb and a freezethorwer would do it, I tried that in Duke 3D, and it didn't work.

                                                                   I feel that with the shrinker, I would like to be able to shrink objects as well as monsters/strippers, or
                                                                   myself even. To see a shrunk bottle of beer or a shrunk crate in the middle of the street, well, if you
                                                                   squish those, when the objects enlarge themselves, you can, well, shrinking objects like rubber tires
                                                                   or explosives would do it, at least when you squish an explosive tank, you'll only take minimal
                                                                   damage. That's probably the only good thing about shrinking an object other than a living being in the
                                                                   game.

                                                                   Outside of that, being able to break a beer bottle or wine bottle after drinking it for health, just use
                                                                   the bottle as a weapon, and to make it better, have Duke whack it against a wall to make it even
                                                                   more dangerous, which'll expose the sharp edges. He would use the neck of the bottle as a handle,
                                                                   then use the bottle to slash or jab a monster, and gush blood all over, and eventually kill him. That
                                                                   would be awesome.
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                                          dutch                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: SpamViking]
                                                                       03/19/04 08:04 PM

                                                                   This thread rocks,

                                                                   I want to set up a mock game of cricket/baseball in multiplayer. You could have someone swinging a
                                                                   wooden bat and a thrower throwing a round object at him with a catcher behind him or maybe some
                                                                   object that makes a noise if the ball hits it so you know their out. Perhaps, there could be a
                                                                   multiplayer environment that’s based on an abandoned basketball court, (hmm maybe not
                                                                   abandoned, it’d be fun to watch the NPC’s getting caught up in crossfire at the beginning      ) and
                                                                   there is a bunch of stuff lying around, like balls and bats, that can be picked up and used effectively.

                                                                   Doorbells, if you ring them enough, someone will come and answer the door. (inside dukes hotel is a
                                                                   good place for this idea)

                                                                   Shake a can of soda, toss it to a NPC watch as they spill soda all over themselves.

                                                                   Use a knife to let the air out of a car’s tyres

                                                                   Kill a guy so he falls on a spinning roullett wheel

                                                                   Eat food – gain health, eat a mouldy sandwich out of a rubbish bin and your health stays the same
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                                                                   Throw things at fans, you know the rotating blade fans that spin around in circles on the roof. You
                                                                   could toss things at the fan and and watch as they fly off at random angles, or pick up a small alien
                                                                   and push his head into it. (ull have to clean ur sunglassses after that)

                                                                   Chopping down a tree, with a chainsaw, or some other method


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                                          prezioso                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: dutch]
                                                                       03/19/04 08:45 PM

                                                                   - I like the idea of using computers in the game, but not for bullshit things, that have nothing to do
                                                                   with the game itself, like surfing the internet. Make it a part of the game like they did in SIN. Finding
                                                                   passwords for unlocking doors or disabling security systems via a dos prompt, or even operating
                                                                   things via the computer.

                                                                   - Tripmines where pretty useless in a duke3d singeplayer game. I would like to see it more woven into
                                                                   the game, since it's a very cool weapon.

                                                                   - I don't think the game needs everything to be playable/usable, but I think things need to react more
                                                                   to eachother, in such way the player can combine certain effects. With this I mean using the
                                                                   environment a little more to kill enemy's. Things falling down on NMY's applying damage like
                                                                   mentioned before, explosives in a hot environment exploding automaticly etc.
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                                          Krid                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: prezioso]
                                                                       03/19/04 09:29 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       - I like the idea of using computers in the game, but not for bullshit things, that have nothing to do
                                                                       with the game itself, like surfing the internet. Make it a part of the game like they did in SIN. Finding
                                                                       passwords for unlocking doors or disabling security systems via a dos prompt, or even operating things
                                                                       via the computer.



                                                                   No way.

                                                                   Duke isn't a thinking game, it's a *fast* game. You can't beat *any* part of SIN in 22 seconds.

                                                                   If computers are in the game, then they should be either optional, or fun and easy. DOS is neither
                                                                   intuitive nor fun, and putting passwords in hidden files is just mean. At worst the password should be
                                                                   in a file called "PASSWORD.TXT" on the GUI desktop, and be something campy, easy to remember,
                                                                   and not random.

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       - Tripmines where pretty useless in a duke3d singeplayer game. I would like to see it more woven into
                                                                       the game, since it's a very cool weapon.



                                                                   I loved tripmines. They're better than the Mighty Foot when out of other ammo, especially when
                                                                   setting-off C9.

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       - I don't think the game needs everything to be playable/usable, but I think things need to react more
                                                                       to eachother, in such way the player can combine certain effects. With this I mean using the
                                                                       environment a little more to kill enemy's. Things falling down on NMY's applying damage like mentioned
                                                                       before, explosives in a hot environment exploding automaticly etc.



                                                                   Incidentals shouldn't be overused, but theyr'e nice to have. The crates in the very first level of Max
                                                                   Payne 2 were fun to play with, for example, but little more than fun eyecandy.

                                                                   Which reminds me, I've got an itching to beat MP2 again now that I've got a way to hear it.


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                                          Steve                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Beelze]
                                                                       03/19/04 09:51 PM

                                                                   Most stuff has already been posted, but here goes:


                                                                   *
                                                                   Show more things on a TV screen. Infact, picking up a TV remote and changing channels would add a
                                                                   nice touch to the game. I've always wanted to do this. Always.

                                                                   *
                                                                   Analog\digital clocks: Instead of having a picture of a analog clock slapped on the wall, why not make
                                                                   it a fully functional clock? Minute, hour and second hands all working. Same goes for the digital clocks.

                                                                   *
                                                                   As for NPC interaction, It would be rather nice for a NPC to say more than five things! Also, if it's cold
                                                                   I'd like to see the NPCs breath.

                                                                   *
                                                                   Ability to shoot vehicle tires out.

                                                                   *
                                                                   Kick any "normal" door open.



                                                                   On a side note, 3D Realms - PLEASE have more than one way to finish a level. I want to explore and
                                                                   go anywhere I want to. Going to point A to point B is old and way too average for a game. That's
                                                                   what made Duke3D so great back in the day. You had more than one way to do something. Same
                                                                   goes for Deus Ex: 1.


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                                          Sharpo                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Steve]
                                                                       03/19/04 11:22 PM

                                                                   - Make and pake a pizza

                                                                   - Swim with the dopefish at a zoo!

                                                                   - Keen space ship.



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                                          Krid                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: Sharpo]
                                                                       03/19/04 11:40 PM

                                                                   Ooohhh! Spacefighter minigame!

                                                                   Have it be a section of the game that you have to go through, but once you finish the section you
                                                                   unlock it as a multi-level (An hour or two of gameplay) minigame.

                                                                   Let people include the spacefighter enemies and crafts and such in levels and it'll lead to some very
                                                                   cool designs; a map where you have to take-on hordes of aliens and aircraft on the way to a fighter,
                                                                   and then you use the fighter to rip 'em a new one.


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                                          AlienAssKicker               Re: Interactivity. [Re: Krid]
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                                                                   - KARAOKE ! (with babes cheering duke...)

                                                                   - More elaborate "Talk with", "Follow me", "Stay here" or "Give Money" interaction with friendly NPCs.
                                                                   - Can use ennemy as human shield, or in this case "alien shield". I think this could be pretty cool
                                                                   unless it's overdone (Duke shouldn't be able to do this all the time, it should be a rare event...).
                                                                   - Minigames such as a pool table or darts...
                                                                   - If Las Vegas is still in DNF, Being able to play Casino games is a must.

                                                                   - Duke should be able to poke Weird Looking Alien Goo™ covering a victim or resulting from an
                                                                   alien being shot with an RPG (this "elastic goo" should stay stuck on Duke's finger and extend while
                                                                   he tries to pull his finger out).
                                                                   Duke should also be able to poke "People with interesting features"

                                                                   Hmmm. A lot has already been said, I'm seriously lacking imagination right now. I'll get back on this
                                                                   after I've had some sleep.


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                                          Acid                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: AlienAssKicker]
                                                                       03/20/04 02:09 AM

                                                                   Lots of interacting with other people NPC's and such have heaps of diff lines of speech you can say to
                                                                   them
                                                                   Also include a adult mode where we get to see a peep show or something


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                                          Jezza                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Acid]
                                                                       03/20/04 05:21 AM

                                                                   I agree about the use of computers... I don't wanna surf the real internet, I'd close Duke and load up
                                                                   Mozilla if I wanted to do that. It would be cool to have a 'mock' DNF forum seeing a thread where
                                                                   some of the forum Vets are saying what they always say:

                                                                   AAK: DNF Needs striipers and good Boobie-Physics
                                                                   Drazula: Shut up AAK, they're late enough as it is, DNF will suck.
                                                                   Dr. Dude: As long as the stipper is a GPCS I don't care how long it takes.
                                                                   George: Shut Up Draz
                                                                   Joe: This thread is getting off topic, I'm locking it.


                                                                   That would be funny.


                                                                   I'd like to see weapons interacting with eachother. for example, if someone runs at me with a
                                                                   flamethrower, I want to be albe to shoot the freezethrower and not get damaged until it runs out. I
                                                                   want to be able to throw something through a tripbomb so I don't have to shhot it. The ability to
                                                                   throw peoples grenades and bombs back at them. Freezing a pipebomb to a wall would be cool.
                                                                   It would be gfreat if you could fist-fight with a pig cop and stuff a pipebomb down nis throat then run
                                                                   away and detonate

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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: prezioso]
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                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       - I like the idea of using computers in the game, but not for bullshit things, that have nothing to do
                                                                       with the game itself, like surfing the internet. Make it a part of the game like they did in SIN. Finding
                                                                       passwords for unlocking doors or disabling security systems via a dos prompt, or even operating things
                                                                       via the computer.
                                                                       - Tripmines where pretty useless in a duke3d singeplayer game. I would like to see it more woven into
                                                                       the game, since it's a very cool weapon.
                                                                       - I don't think the game needs everything to be playable/usable, but I think things need to react more
                                                                       to eachother, in such way the player can combine certain effects. With this I mean using the
                                                                       environment a little more to kill enemy's. Things falling down on NMY's applying damage like mentioned
                                                                       before, explosives in a hot environment exploding automaticly etc.



                                                                   Yeah, Half-Life had it where you could use the computers in the Black Mesa lobby area, I remember.
                                                                   As for doing this in DNF, well, using these in there, yo would be able to control and hack into video
                                                                   poker machines, maybe some slots, and turn them against the aliens and NPCs, that would rule!
                                                                   Hehe...

                                                                   Naw, outside of that, the single best thing to have in Duke despite all I've said before was the fact
                                                                   that there shold be some fire alarms in the casino that you could sound to evacuate the patrons of the
                                                                   casino, so that it would be just down to you and the aliens, preferably as a cinematic, as opposed to
                                                                   in-game. As far as the in-game is concerned, I think that a good use of being able to use an explosive
                                                                   and tearing the machines out of their foundation would be nice, not just short-circuit the machines like
                                                                   you would expect. You can even pick up and throw dead machines at monsters, something like that,
                                                                   knowing Duke's strength. Something like this would do, IMHO.
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                                          NutWrench                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       03/20/04 10:22 AM

                                                                   Drivable Vehicles!

                                                                   I think Epic did a terrific job with the vehicles in the UT2K4 demo. I've played the demo for the last 3-
                                                                   4 weeks now, and it's the most fun I've had with my pants on. I'm planning to buy the game just for
                                                                   Onslaught Mode, if nothing else.

                                                                   (I'd love to see something in the game like a wall clock that actually shows what time it is in the real
                                                                   world.)
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                                          The
                                          Cartographer                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: NutWrench]
                                                                       03/20/04 11:19 AM




                                                                   I'd like a jukebox in a bar that plays your own MP3s you copied in a special duke folder; a bit like GTA
                                                                   Vice City. Come on, this HAS to be in!




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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: The Cartographer]
                                                                       03/20/04 11:39 AM

                                                                   george, here's some cool ideas implemented in a game for interactivity. i like the shotgun blast
                                                                   through the doors:

                                                                   right click as save as:

                                                                   http://www.insertcoin-pt.net/nemesys/re4.mpg



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                                          Gilgamesh
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/20/04 12:59 PM



                                                                   I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D, and
                                                                   hopefully things stay on schedule.



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                                          George                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gilgamesh]
                                          Broussard                    03/20/04 04:38 PM

                                                                   JackInTheBox,

                                                                   "I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D"
                                          3DR Staff
                                                                   Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                   of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.


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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/20/04 04:40 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       JackInTheBox,
                                                                       "I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D"
                                                                       Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                       of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.

                                                                   \o/ wheeey, good news                   verry good news indeed

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                                          The                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                          Cartographer                 03/20/04 04:45 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                       of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.




                                                                   Warm and fuzzy feeling...                   And to think I'd gladly settle for an *equal* level of interactivity as in
                                                                   Duke3D.

                                                                   Keep up the good work guys, I'm sure DNF will rock.


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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/20/04 04:54 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       JackInTheBox,
                                                                       "I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D"
                                                                       Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                       of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.



                                                                   /faints

                                                                   if the 2001 video was any indication, we're gonna have some great stuff to look forward too. the small
                                                                   attention to detail is what really impressed me with that video.

                                                                   there's just so many cool ideas and such, i'm afraid it's gonna be awhile for all this stuff or most of it
                                                                   to get put in game.

                                                                   you want some really deep interactivity? how about using a magnifying glass to look at a gun's
                                                                   hardgrip for fingerprints, once you see the prints, take them to the laser scanner that reads the prints
                                                                   and then go to the computer and turn it on to get a paper read out of the suspect. but this is a duke
                                                                   game, i suspect he'd just grab the gun and shoot someone with it.

                                                                   the *finer* points of interactivity could be used for easter eggs in the game.

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                                                                   maybe have duke do things in the game that at the time he does them(maybe hit a switch) it does
                                                                   nothing too deep but further in the game, we found out what the action was. perhaps he flooded a
                                                                   room of aliens?

                                                                   btw-keep the idea with the 30ft pig cop with laser beam eyes george. i want a godzilla sized pig cop
                                                                   stomping on people and smashing down buildings.

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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/20/04 06:30 PM

                                                                   I can tell you that you saw what the level of interactivity was like in Deus Ex, and also in the UT
                                                                   series, especially in UT 2k3 and UT 2k4, so taking the other games that were made on the Unreal
                                                                   engine like these, it's safe to say that these would be standard in DNF as far as the minimum for the
                                                                   interactivity you could see in DNF, I wouldn't be a bit surprised about that one.

                                                                   Especially Deus Ex, that was awesome interactivity in both that and its sequel, DXIW. Seeing how you
                                                                   could pick up and throw everything you had the crosshairs on, which was a lot of stuff, and be able to
                                                                   use everything, like TVs and sinks, toilets, showers, etc... You'd expect at least this in DNF, if not
                                                                   more so.
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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/20/04 07:04 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       JackInTheBox,
                                                                       "I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D"
                                                                       Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                       of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.




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                                          Steve                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/20/04 08:46 PM

                                                                   George, my Dad is a great fan of the Duke games (got me into the games). He suggested why not
                                                                   have X-ray sunglasses? It would be rather amusing, if they X-ray glasses are rare to find that is.

                                                                   Can you search dead bodies for items, etc? Like Deus Ex.


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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Steve]
                                                                       03/20/04 08:53 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       George, my Dad is a great fan of the Duke games (got me into the games). He suggested why not have
                                                                       X-ray sunglasses? It would be rather amusing, if they X-ray glasses are rare to find that is.
                                                                       Can you search dead bodies for items, etc? Like Deus Ex.



                                                                   Uhh, that sort of duplicated my question, I remember bringing up Deus Ex comparisons, and stated
                                                                   that this would possibly be the minimum for DNF's interactivity, that's just my hunch for right now,
                                                                   doesn't mean that willl happen. At least by Max Payne standards, that'll probably be a good start.
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                                          Steve                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       03/20/04 09:06 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           George, my Dad is a great fan of the Duke games (got me into the games). He suggested why
                                                                           not have X-ray sunglasses? It would be rather amusing, if they X-ray glasses are rare to find that
                                                                           is.
                                                                           Can you search dead bodies for items, etc? Like Deus Ex.


                                                                       Uhh, that sort of duplicated my question, I remember bringing up Deus Ex comparisons, and
                                                                       stated that this would possibly be the minimum for DNF's interactivity, that's just my hunch for
                                                                       right now, doesn't mean that willl happen. At least by Max Payne standards, that'll probably be a
                                                                       good start.


                                                                   Sorry, I can't be bothered reading eveything


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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Steve]
                                                                       03/21/04 01:57 AM

                                                                   Wow... I had alot to read there, I skimmed over quite a bit (didn't skip any messages, just skimmed
                                                                   over)...

                                                                   It's tough to come up with something that hasn't already been suggested...

                                                                   I like the shrink ray ideas, something similar could be done with the expander. Oh, seeing as how the
                                                                   expander is microwave based, use it on food to cook it and increase it's health value

                                                                   Duke never had alternate uses for most of it's weapons, implementing alternate uses would be
                                                                   interesting. If the default no weapon is still the kick, an alternate for it could be the punch. Maybe add
                                                                   in a head bunt, Duke's a pretty strong character.

                                                                   Stamina would be nice to see in game, you can run, but you get worn out after a while and slow
                                                                   down. If you ever played World War II Online, something like their system would be good, you can
                                                                   sprint a short distance, run even farther... while you walk you regain stamina slowly, if you stop or
                                                                   even lay down (or sit?) you gain it even faster. I like to see some sort of realism in this regard or
                                                                   people set him to run constantly.... heavy breathing when he gets tired from running too much
                                                                   (possibly giving away his position?)

                                                                   Of course all the Duke3D classics have to be in there like taking a leak at the toilet (or, seeing as how
                                                                   he is a man, anywhere he pleases, heheheh).

                                                                   Perhaps health kits could be used in much the same way as in BF1942, you hear bandages being
                                                                   applied while health is slowly regained, perhaps even a usable hospital, ambulance etc... (use that cell
                                                                   phone someone mentioned to call 911? Perhaps that is too much, but I am brainstorming here        )

                                                                   Interactive women/strippers...                     (nothing says they won't slap your face, or even call the cops,
                                                                   heheh)

                                                                   People mentioned TVs with changable channels.. .maybe radio as well.

                                                                   A computer with a usable forum, perhaps even linked online somehow, that may be a bit much, but....

                                                                   I like the idea of having an option to leave objects laying around, I also thought leaving bodies laying
                                                                   around would be interesting, especially in a multiplayer game. Or maybe have ambulances or other
                                                                   vehicals come buy and kart them off or whatever.

                                                                   Something I always thought should have been in Duke3D was the nuke launcher from Shadow
                                                                   Warrior, it just fits Duke3D more for obvious reasons.

                                                                   A homing beacon you stick to somebody/something? (can be discovered and stuck to a rat                         )

                                                                   Perhaps levels where Duke actually gets to go to a motel room and get some sleep (with or without a
                                                                   partner, heheh)... but mainly for REST, you never see character rest in games... could be a good way
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                                                                   to end a level, he goes to a room, gets some much needed sleep, awakes the next morning or is
                                                                   jolted awake by some event, or maybe police arrest him and cart him off to another level... but
                                                                   SLEEP! heheh... I don't know how doable this is, but it would be unique.

                                                                   A baseball bat (ala: ROTT).

                                                                   And to end this lengthy post, I like the idea of seeing your body, look down, see your body, feet etc...
                                                                   see your hand push the button blah blah...

                                                                   (EDIT: oh, if you can see your body, and you allow duke to take a leak, perhaps have a large
                                                                   black "CENSORED" box where his genitals would be if you look down while he takes a leak, heheheh)

                                                                   (EDIT#2: One more thing, in news reports about violent games they loved to show Duke3D shooting a
                                                                   stripper, in this game, if he shoots an innocent woman like a stripper, have the cops come along and
                                                                   cart him off to jail, end of game. Or have futuristic police transport in out of nowhere and shoot him
                                                                   dead. Some severe penalty.)
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                                          DrafT
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                                                                       03/21/04 02:35 AM




                                                                   Heh I just want the mail man to bring my wellfare check while I'm sitting on a couch drinkin' beers
                                                                   smoking cigarettes grabbing my crotch and watching the world being devastate on TV ok thank you
                                                                   damn I miss my coma key but what hell just take a breath when you feel like it bye.



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                                          StixnStonz                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: DrafT]
                                                                       03/21/04 02:47 AM

                                                                   I think having shows on random tv's playing would allow many classic new Duke one-liners =)


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                                          Dreams                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: StixnStonz]
                                                                       03/21/04 03:27 AM


                                                                   I hope the way to interact with suff is easy, like in duke3d: pressing spacebar to view the different
                                                                   security monitors.


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                                          Sharpshark                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/21/04 04:00 AM

                                                                   Stamina is a good idea, but the normal running mode should'nt burn stamina, sprinting would use the
                                                                   stamina.


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                                          Vexed                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/21/04 05:58 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       JackInTheBox,
                                                                       "I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D"
                                                                       Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                       of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.

                                                                   I hope this means what I think it means! Meaning electric sockets and lightswitches are in and that
                                                                   there are even more things to be interacted with in this category.
                                                                   I wonder tho how you can get way way way past the interactivity levels and detail of DN3D and still
                                                                   have it be a fast paced action shooter game, or maybe they cut the speed down a few notches but i
                                                                   doubt that...

                                                                   I didn't read all the posts in this thread so I'm prolly repeating stuff.
                                                                   Anyway here's my take,
                                                                   General gameplay:
                                                                   I want a "arm weapon". If you select it it brings out duke's arm. Left click punches, right click initiates
                                                                   interaction. You'll pick something up or flip a switch (not sure about this, its prolly best to be able to
                                                                   interact with switches whenever you please without getting the hand out first). Anyway once you've
                                                                   picked something up left click drops it and right click throws it, the longer you hold down right click
                                                                   the further you attempt to throw it. Or maybe left click activates the object you picked up in a way,
                                                                   for example if you picked up a can of soda you'll drink it.
                                                                   Would be cool if you could flip over stuff like tables and other large objects.
                                                                   Now that i think about it, most of this hand stuff is in Devastation right?     I hope DNF implements it
                                                                   better.

                                                                   I think it's safe to say that their "every character can pick up every pickupable object and hold it in his
                                                                   hands" idea from the quake2 version (i think thats what it was) is still in, judging by the guy waving a
                                                                   flashlight around in the DNF e2001 video.

                                                                   Objects interact with objects. Very cpu intensive prolly. Stuff can knock over or push away other stuff
                                                                   when they come in contact.

                                                                   No invincible objects! if it's not bolted down it should be destructable in a way. Like in the DNF e3
                                                                   2001 vid, the paint cans and bottles or whatever.

                                                                   Mighty foot! but more detailed. It would be cool to determine the force you kick with. Hold down
                                                                   longer and you'll kick stuff harder and also further! And kick em through/against stuff. Like
                                                                   playfullpuppy already mentioned, kicking someone through a glass window.
                                                                   I'm pretty sure something like this is present in DNF, since in the DNF e3 2001 you can see some guy
                                                                   falling onto a glass roof or something and breaking the glass and also getting blood all over the glass
                                                                   which is a neat detail i think.

                                                                   Another weapon I would like to see improved is the Freeze ray (if it's in that is).
                                                                   Secondary fire charges the freeze ray, you'll see a little ice ball form infront of it with little ice particles
                                                                   getting attracted to it while the ice ball grows bigger and bigger. If you let go it well repell the ice ball
                                                                   forward knocking into a enemy, either shattering to pieces on impact or following through untill the
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                                                                   enemy gets knocked into something and gets squished between the ice ball and the other object
                                                                   (wall?).
                                                                   Those last bits might be a bit too much.
                                                                   Oh it would be cool if the freezegun could freeze stuf besides enemies.

                                                                   Realistic weight/speed/force interactions. Duke jumping on a cheap ass table could break it.

                                                                   An original health system ( i hope the ego health is still in) Gain health not only from standard health
                                                                   pick ups but from your actions aswell.

                                                                   Enviromental/object interactivity
                                                                   - turn every light on / off
                                                                   - shoot lights
                                                                   - drink from water fountaints
                                                                   - ceiling fans turn on/off
                                                                   - computers (turn em on and off, see a DNF screensaver?)
                                                                   - interactive TVs
                                                                   - Turning valves for various effects
                                                                   - flower pots that can be shot
                                                                   - being able to control a camera when viewing from it and having the option to zoom in and out ,
                                                                   maybe have nightvision for the camera.
                                                                   - If its not bolted down being able to pick it up and throw it/use it as a shield if its not too heavy of
                                                                   course.
                                                                   - Be able to enter a keycode manually by controlling duke's finger.
                                                                   - Interactive vending machines, being able to choose what you want. The item you got will be stored
                                                                   in your inventory for later use and will effect your ego health.
                                                                   - Interactive toilets, will increase your ego health when used. Just like how it increased your health in
                                                                   Duke3d.
                                                                   - Interactive machines, like pinball machines and slotmachines. These could effect your ego health,
                                                                   same principle as the toilet.
                                                                   - Pool table with interactive sticks and balls! :P
                                                                   - interactive desk or pay phone would be cool, since its kinda in the future you could make it a video
                                                                   phone. That way you don't have to make Duke pick up a horn or whatever. If you dial a number you
                                                                   conveniantly found written on the bathroomwall you'll see a little movie played of some weird S&M
                                                                   guy answering the phone. Or maybe just a 3DR employee.
                                                                   - if furniture has a door or drawer, i wanna be able to open it. This could make the enviroment way
                                                                   too detailed however, since people will be expecting to find crap inside. Tho the crap can just be static
                                                                   textures or something (dunno how that would look).
                                                                   - be able to shove the barrel of your gun up a cat's... no wait, wrong game :P
                                                                   - being able to kick open doors
                                                                   - Drivable vehicles
                                                                   - Interactive magic markers!
                                                                   - Remote controlled robots

                                                                   Items:
                                                                   - Different food items have different effects on duke's ego health and on duke. Some will temporarilly
                                                                   make you reload faster? or increase your maximum health.

                                                                   Hmmm thats all i can think of for now :\


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                                          Lazaroth                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/21/04 07:08 AM

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                                                                       I like the shrink ray ideas, something similar could be done with the expander. Oh, seeing as how the
                                                                       expander is microwave based, use it on food to cook it and increase it's health value



                                                                   Like Duke Nukem 2, with the goose


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                                          Orochi Avlis                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/21/04 08:56 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       JackInTheBox,
                                                                       "I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D"
                                                                       Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                       of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.



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                                          IHerman                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Orochi Avlis]
                                                                       03/21/04 12:05 PM

                                                                   Also I hope there's a lot of general interactivity.

                                                                   Example:
                                                                   Although a pinball machine would be fun, it's something small that doesn't provide a lot of
                                                                   possibilities. You can play it, probably destroy is, and that's it. I hope you will be able to drag and
                                                                   throw stuff around, experimenting with different combinations of objects. This is something that can
                                                                   be fun through the entire game.

                                                                   The game should invite you to try all kinds of things to achieve your goal. People should be able to
                                                                   talk about stuff they did and come up with all kinds of stories.

                                                                   Every object should have it's own posibilities. In combination with physics you should be able to do
                                                                   some crazy stuff 3DR didn't even think about.

                                                                   I hope you get my point.

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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: IHerman]
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                                                                   Nice ideas IHerman.

                                                                   We should be able to kill live animals and eat 'em raw or microwaved too. lol       (maybe shoot a few
                                                                   vegetarians while we're at it)

                                                                   I think giving various objects in the game a wieght and assigning a weight limit that duke can lift
                                                                   (combined with his stamina for how long he can hold it up perhaps) would be kewl. Or just flagging
                                                                   certain objects as liftable, throwable, stackable, destroyable etc... could lead to some interesting
                                                                   stories as IHerman put it, and "kewl stories" lead to more sales.

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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/21/04 01:09 PM

                                                                   You know in the Enter The Matrix game, apart from all the crappiness it had one really cool feature.
                                                                   You could go on this hacking type mission dealy. It would be really cool if that sort of thing was in
                                                                   DNF, except on a greater scale. Like various consoles spread throughout the game, and by haxoring
                                                                   them you can get to new secret areas, weapons and items. Sometimes you will have to haxor to get
                                                                   past certain puzzles in the game. That would be really cool, and you could extend the haxoring idea to
                                                                   multplayer with a certain game type that you can haxor your own character and the other character to
                                                                   change their stats. Sorta like a ligit way to use aimbots, except that they are loaded in game from pre-
                                                                   defined bots via haxoring though a special console. Then again I suppose that really isn't Duke's style,
                                                                   but it still would be cool.

                                                                   On a similar note, I really really would like there to be puzzles in DNF as well as mad FPS slaughter.
                                                                   Like in the good old days of the Seirra platform games like Space Quest. Of course, DNF would have
                                                                   sick graphics. Anyways, I want to see some of those old, find the items, manipulate the items and
                                                                   other objects in the level correctly style puzzles, if you know what I mean. Those kind of puzzles allow
                                                                   for, if not require, great level interactivity and I feel would be really really cool.

                                                                   As for actual inteactive items, push buttons. I want lots of pushy clicky buttons and big arrays of
                                                                   blinking lights and randomly placed blinking lights. Trampolines are cool too, and places where you
                                                                   can do really high dives into water. Like an olympic pool with the high diving platform. And when
                                                                   there are exposions in sewers then the manholes should shoot up into the sky.
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                                          IHerman                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       03/21/04 01:36 PM

                                                                   I don't think Duke should become a hacker. He solves his problems by shooting them and blowing
                                                                   them up.

                                                                   But I would like to see some nice tricks to get to secret area's, instead of all the find the hidden door
                                                                   and blow up the crack in the wall thingies.
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                                          william2461                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: IHerman]
                                                                       03/21/04 02:36 PM

                                                                   Duke should be able to pinch strippers nippples and make fun of the FCC...


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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: william2461]
                                                                       03/21/04 02:39 PM

                                                                   Naw, I wouldn't go that far with it.

                                                                   However, I think that the stripper would make a great NPC, that and the EDF staff. Make like DXIW, if
                                                                   you rub them the wrong way, then they'll take a gun and start siding with the aliens against you. If
                                                                   you're friendly enough with them, though, then that would be awesome to see what happens. Duke
                                                                   Nukem vs. everyone else, man, I think that would be awesome!
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                                          Bobby B                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       03/21/04 03:19 PM

                                                                   I have to say that one of the most annoying things in most FPS shooters is the 'automatic door open'
                                                                   feature. Personaly im sick of movin too close to a door and it opens to a whole room of baddies i
                                                                   wasnt even ready for yet! Please let us open door by ourselves with the 'use'key!

                                                                   Oh and one more thing...the ability to actually be able to pick up most objects ala dXIW, and also not
                                                                   to have to swap to 'no weapon' to be able to do it! (picking up bodies was cool also i thought)

                                                                   Oh oh, and one final thing...I think i suggested this ages ago,but i think i will bring it up agin as it
                                                                   would be so nice! As duke is in Vegas, i would love to see an old arcade somewhere, you know, one of
                                                                   those smokey dark places where we used to play games such as double dragon or pacman! Obviously
                                                                   these machines could not be available, but maybe sneak in Duke1+2 on them or something!

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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Bobby B]
                                                                       03/21/04 03:29 PM

                                                                   Yeah, you're right about that auto door open, that got annoying in the Max Payne series, as well. If
                                                                   those games would've been like Duke 3D where you could just "use" the doors and open them,
                                                                   instead of standing right by them and having them open for you. Of course, the Quake engine and
                                                                   technology had the auto open, and that's maybe what started the whole thing. Now Half-Life used
                                                                   some manual open-door features, but most were automatic, but at least the ones that were manually
                                                                   opened were the locked doors that a security guard or a scientist would only open, so that was good
                                                                   that you could prepare yourself when he opened it for you.

                                                                   I see this happening in DNF, you could use a stripper or EDF guard to open a door or two for you, so
                                                                   you could be prepared for what could happen on the other side, rather than the auto open, and have
                                                                   all those popcorn surprises around every corner. I'd have a heart attack if I had a doorr open on me,
                                                                   and didn't expect the worst. That's one thing that I'm hoping can be changed in DNF, the only doors
                                                                   that should automatically open, are ike elevator doors, or doors to a grocery or convenience type
                                                                   store, etc... Those are doors that would open automatically in real life, so would be the case in DNF...

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                                          HarroSIN
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Bobby B]
                                                                       03/21/04 03:29 PM



                                                                   You should be able to pick up ceratin materials and be able to make ammunition, kinda like in
                                                                   Resident Evil.



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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: HarroSIN]
                                                                       03/21/04 04:12 PM

                                                                   Finally! I have the time and patience to reply to this marvelous thread

                                                                   - Interactive interactivity! By this I mean double interactivity for objects, an example: You have a
                                                                   pinball machine, and you can play it, but you can also smash the glass and put a coke can in the
                                                                   center (where your ball isn't supposed to go) and thus cheating with the game.

                                                                   - Real-life water effects! I'm not talking about sweet graphics, but about the way water BEHAVES. It
                                                                   would be neat to open up a sink in a random place and have water realistically pour in and flood
                                                                   where the holes are big enough (and squirt if there's enough pressure)

                                                                   - "unlimited" levels! Sometimes it's a bitch to not be able to go past a certain point simply because the
                                                                   level ends there! I'd love to take a jetpack (fair or cheating) and fly past the actual level. Like over a
                                                                   random generated landscape or something. Or a continuesly repeating piece of city (highway?)

                                                                   - Location specific gibs! Say you have a weapon wich deals a lot of damage on a specific spot, and
                                                                   you'd fire on the head, I want the head to go splush (or just punch a hole through it) and create gibs
                                                                   that could be in the head (i.e. no liver when I shoot the head, no eyeballs when I shoot someguys
                                                                   foot)

                                                                   - Cheaters reward! Usually when you into an area that you're not supposed to go to with cheating you
                                                                   get weird effects. An example:
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                                                                   In Half-life there's a scientist is talking to the guy in the suit, but you can't hear them well through the
                                                                   glass, but if you clip through the glass they still talk rubbish

                                                                   I want to be able to figure out stuff I'm not supposed to know (some jokes would be fun) if I'd play
                                                                   fair.

                                                                   That's about it. Oh! And ofcourse a big amount of interactivity in MP too so you can go trash a world
                                                                   with multiple players

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                                          Mr.DJ                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/21/04 05:14 PM

                                                                   Here's a(imo) great idea for a new weapon/tool for Duke to use:

                                                                   How about making a weapon for duke that shoots out a rob and have an attachment device fixed at
                                                                   the end of the rob!

                                                                   Duke could use this for rapelling down from a building or other platforms located on higher grounds. It
                                                                   could also be used the other way around.
                                                                   Example: Duke have to get inside a 15 floor building and it's only possible to get inside via a open
                                                                   window located on the 10th floor     .
                                                                   It could also features 2 robs(an here the inspiration comes from Batman 1) which would shoot in each
                                                                   opposite direction and make duke able to glide from one platform to the next(that would look cool).
                                                                   The weapon would have to feature a small internal engine to pull the rob back in of course. The robs
                                                                   length would set it's limits and you could program it so, that the attachment device would only attach
                                                                   to specific materials.

                                                                   And lastly Duke can of course use it to shoot enemy foes.


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                                          MasterEvilAce                Re: Interactivity. [Re: Rider]
                                                                       03/21/04 05:17 PM

                                                                   I think it'd be cool to have a few instant-death events.. .. to expand on the idea of scientists/etc
                                                                   opening doors FOR you..

                                                                   Let's say a stripper is opening a door

                                                                   if you stand perpendicular to the door (so you can shoot through the newly opened passage instantly)
                                                                   a creature would lunge at your face, and knocks you down.. (like your screen literally goes insane, it
                                                                   looks up, and the screen moves back some, like you would if you actually got attacked... then your
                                                                   screen basically goes bloody and such, and you die instantly.

                                                                   BUT.. if you were to stand at the side of the door... or somewhere out of the immediate range of the
                                                                   door.. the creature will either
                                                                   1) Wait for you to enter the new room (and attack you, without instantly killing you).. (it'll wait off to
                                                                   the side or something)

                                                                   OR
                                                                   2) it jumps through the door, and lands on the ground (where it would have killed you, if yo uwere
                                                                   standing).. then it'll look around (head moves) and when it finds you, it runs at you to attack you


                                                                   This would really make the game exciting.. and if you didn't save, before opening the door, your heart
                                                                   would probably explode


                                                                   - You should also be able to mess with VIDEO CAMERAS, too. Such as you could should them, and if
                                                                   you tried using the view screen, they simply wouldn't work, or would have blood, or broken glass
                                                                   designs on the screen... you should be able to make them not destructable, or auto-fix them after
                                                                   some time, for multiplayer levels, and such.


                                                                   since George said he'll read some posts here.... i'd like to suggest that the next doom video should
                                                                   mock the HL2 video..
                                                                   IE: have the original duke.. then the new duke.. and have him do any face changes, etc. that the
                                                                   engine supports... coolness.
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                                          Daedalus                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/21/04 05:26 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       What kinds of things do you see Duke interacting with?



                                                                   Babes and boobies.

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       The best things are items that can affect gameplay in some way. But some things are just flat out for
                                                                       fun and amusement.



                                                                   Same here: babes and boobies!

                                                                   (don't forget: 99% of us Duke fans are guys!)

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       Some examples to give you an idea what's possible:
                                                                       Microwave (fun/barely gameplay): Open it, turn it on. Put food in. Cook it for more health. Put a rat in
                                                                       it and nuke it.
                                                                       Wall valve (simple/gameplay): grab it and turn it left or right to alter steam, or open a hatch, or
                                                                       whatever.



                                                                   If I can turn on babes with that microwave or valve then I'll be happy.

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       What kinds of things do you hope to see, both in terms of "fun", and also for "gameplay". In practical
                                                                       terms, there is basically no limit to what you can suggest, but everything has to be balanced with how
                                                                       long it takes to implement vs how useful it is in game.



                                                                   Sorry, but if you say that everything has to be balanced with how long it takes to implement then
                                                                   there IS a limit!

                                                                   I suggest you stick with those microwaves, valves, computers, keypads, pinball machines and stuff
                                                                   like that, but make them as complex as possible.

                                                                   Oh and don't forget to make us mappers and modders be able to tweak with those interactive objects
                                                                   in UnrealEd (Duke Enormous Tool, or however the DNF level editor will be called)!
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                                          Marty                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Daedalus]
                                                                       03/21/04 05:31 PM

                                                                   can we expect the ability to rip off peoples heads and throw them at light switches to turn them on???

                                                                   expect more stupid questions from me

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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Marty]
                                                                       03/21/04 07:12 PM

                                                                   How about putting some things in DNF that you had planned on putting in the original Duke3D but
                                                                   couldn't make work at that time. Like the spacesuit you wore so you could go outside a ship or bounce
                                                                   around the lunar surface.

                                                                   It would also be nice to be able to blow up an RIAA building (maybe with lots of money and broken
                                                                   CDs flying out of the debris).

                                                                   Perhaps the ability to take a missile launcher (or two) and mount them to the sides of a Donkey.
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                                          Marty                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/21/04 07:34 PM


                                                                   you know the space suit and jumping around on low gravity surfaces would really rock the gameplay.
                                                                   Imagine jumping over the top of an enemy while blasting the crap out of their head.... nice
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                                          pirateguy                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Marty]
                                                                       03/21/04 07:56 PM

                                                                   Interactivity has gotten better nowadays.

                                                                   The vibrating control for consoles (PS2/Xbox) is a good example how interactivity evolves. Take for
                                                                   example, Splinter Cell for Xbox. It's really cool how the control vibrates as you try to pick locks.

                                                                   Interacting is not just pressing buttons, but also getting feedback. That is the next step! Oh yeah, not
                                                                   forgetting Sony's I-toy.

                                                                   Perhaps DNF can do this once its ported to console?


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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
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                                                                       How about putting some things in DNF that you had planned on putting in the original Duke3D but
                                                                       couldn't make work at that time.



                                                                   Ooh! Ooh! I wanna see this whole cut sequence from Duke 3d get into DNF:




                                                                   ...where fter you get killed, the Pig Cop butts you with it's shotgun, to make sure you're dead or
                                                                   whatever.      That would be awesome if pulled off right.

                                                                   On that line, it would be pretty cool if the enviroment interacted with your dead body after you were
                                                                   killed. Y'know, for instance, enemies might stomp on you making blood pouring from your head cover
                                                                   the screen...an alien might fire a rocket up your dead ass and you could see Duke's body parts fly
                                                                   around. Fun stuff.

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                                          Marty                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/21/04 08:30 PM



                                                                   or he fades away and starts to see himself up in the clouds surrounded by several virgin women

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Marty]
                                                                       03/21/04 08:50 PM



                                                                   Then you'll have people complaining about the sudden "Game Over" as a sound-byte of all the 3dr
                                                                   guys snickering is played.

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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/21/04 10:07 PM

                                                                   few more things(sorry if already mentioned).

                                                                   turn on a firehose and aim it at an enemy and soak it. then use a weapon to freeze it.

                                                                   throw a bottle of honey at a pig cop and bees come out and sting the hell out of him.

                                                                   those tree limb grinders you see in the street when the neighbor gets a tree cut down or trimmed?
                                                                   kick an enemy into that and it gets shredded.

                                                                   pick up a tissue to blow your nose.

                                                                   pick up a girly mag and look through it, flipping pages.

                                                                   have working gas lines and mains. shoot the gas line-boom!

                                                                   go to a massage parlor and get a massage.

                                                                   have material do stuff also. if a curtain is behind a window, when you shoot the window, i want to see
                                                                   the curtain react naturally from the glass and gunshot blast.
                                                                   or if clothes are hanging outside on a clothes line, have them wave and flap around in the wind.

                                                                   have some trash blow down the street.

                                                                   have puddles of water in the street and if vehicles are driving by, it can splash the puddle.

                                                                   go to a fully interactive grocery store and play around with all the different products. you can even
                                                                   push around a shopping car to fill it up.

                                                                   go to a fully interactive gun shop and look at/pick up any of the weapons you see.
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                                                                   more later...

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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/21/04 10:36 PM

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                                                                       have material do stuff also. if a curtain is behind a window, when you shoot the window, i want to see
                                                                       the curtain react naturally from the glass and gunshot blast.



                                                                   This can already be seen in the E3 2001 video.



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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Soilwork]
                                                                       03/21/04 10:39 PM

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                                                                           have material do stuff also. if a curtain is behind a window, when you shoot the window, i want to
                                                                           see the curtain react naturally from the glass and gunshot blast.


                                                                       This can already be seen in the E3 2001 video.




                                                                   really? didn't catch that!

                                                                   another excuse to go watch the video again!

                                                                   /off to click on video

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                                          tsingtao                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/21/04 11:22 PM

                                                                   It's tough to decide which ideas are obvious, and not worth saying, and which are worth mentioning,
                                                                   but here goes...

                                                                   -Lockers are always fun to explore, like the ones in the beginning of half-life.

                                                                   -If there are usable telephones in the game then it might be neat to find a phone number in grafitti, or
                                                                   on a billboard, and be able to call it for a nice audio treat.

                                                                   <pirate> yarr.... I'm not creative </pirate>

                                                                   Edit: If there is not a working urinal in the game, I'll be very disappointed. Even outraged

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                                          Mobay                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/22/04 04:28 AM

                                                                   How about something like the gas can from postal 2 ?
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                                          Prodigy                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Beelze]
                                                                       03/22/04 07:01 AM

                                                                   Cool thread !

                                                                   What I'd like to see (sorry if this has been said) :
                                                                   - driving cars for real (no "box with wheels" crap)
                                                                   - surfing the web within the game
                                                                   - a Duke walkman where he can listen to mp3 from the hard drive


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                                          Drazula                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Prodigy]
                                                                       03/22/04 07:12 AM

                                                                   This really isn't interactivity, but Duke should start the game weak and out of shape (fat). He should
                                                                   react slowly and not be able to run for too long. After all, he has been out of action for seven years.

                                                                   Then as the game goes on, he gets faster, slimmer and stronger. By the end becoming the toughest
                                                                   Duke we've ever seen.
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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Drazula]
                                                                       03/22/04 07:28 AM

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                                                                       This really isn't interactivity, but Duke should start the game weak and out of shape (fat). He should
                                                                       react slowly and not be able to run for too long. After all, he has been out of action for seven years.
                                                                       Then as the game goes on, he gets faster, slimmer and stronger. By the end becoming the toughest
                                                                       Duke we've ever seen.



                                                                   that's a pretty cool idea actually.

                                                                   i like that thinking, "out of the box" if you will.

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                                          Klaus Kinski                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Marty]
                                                                       03/22/04 07:48 AM

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                                                                       or he fades away and starts to see himself up in the clouds surrounded by several virgin women


                                                                   How can you know they're still virgins?

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                                          Bluntaxe                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/22/04 09:23 AM

                                                                   So can you tell us if you've gotten a good list of what you wanted George?


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                                          NutWrench                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Bluntaxe]
                                                                       03/22/04 10:17 AM

                                                                   Duke needs to have a flamethrower for no other reason than he could use it to set a bunch of PigCops
                                                                   on fire and say "makin BACON!"

                                                                   P.S. n/m, Manhatten Project already did this. I thought I heard that before somewhere

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                                          Klaus Kinski                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: NutWrench]
                                                                       03/22/04 10:59 AM


                                                                   "Make it bacon" wasn't that a Burger King slogan?
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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: NutWrench]
                                                                       03/22/04 10:59 AM

                                                                   dn lotb had a flamethrower and a"bacon" remark, and i think ttk also had that

                                                                   btw, kingping : life of crime had working ( wel, sort of ) pinball machines   but that was about the
                                                                   only interactivity in that game

                                                                   just one more thing, i just want to be able to copy my bum on a copy machine, just like in duke3d
                                                                   \o/ would be awesome in multiplayer
                                                                   and maybe duke could say something like "eat sh*t and die"

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: jimbob]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:05 AM

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                                                                       just one more thing, i just want to be able to copy my bum on a copy machine, just like in duke3d
                                                                       \o/ would be awesome in multiplayer



                                                                   I...don't remember that.

                                                                   Regardless...ass-scannin' and copyin' would kick mega ass in DNF.

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                                          Joe3DR                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:06 AM

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                                                                           Quote:
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                                                                           How about putting some things in DNF that you had planned on putting in the original Duke3D but
                                                                           couldn't make work at that time.


                                                                       Ooh! Ooh! I wanna see this whole cut sequence from Duke 3d get into DNF:




                                                                       ...where fter you get killed, the Pig Cop butts you with it's shotgun, to make sure you're dead or
                                                                       whatever.           That would be awesome if pulled off right.



                                                                   For the record, it was cut from Duke3D because it looked stupid. Not to say it can't be made to work
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                                                                   in DNF (or that we'd even try), just clarifying why it was cut. If I remember right, the pov when this
                                                                   was happeing looked dumb/bad/stupid, so it was removed.

                                                                   What's my point? Not every idea that one thinks will be great "on paper" or "in your mind" ends up
                                                                   looking good in the game.
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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:08 AM

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                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           just one more thing, i just want to be able to copy my bum on a copy machine, just like in duke3d
                                                                               \o/ would be awesome in multiplayer



                                                                       I...don't remember that.
                                                                       Regardless...ass-scannin' and copyin' would kick mega ass in DNF.

                                                                   its in the police station map in the fourth episode of duke nukem 3d. in the same office as mclane
                                                                   just hop on the copy side of the machine and watch your ass on paper

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                                          IHerman                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Joe3DR]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:10 AM

                                                                   Another thing I really would like to see is:

                                                                   Bulletholes.

                                                                   In bodies that is. I want to see where I hit an enemy, and I want to be able to "fill someone with
                                                                   lead". There are a lot of modern game that still don't have anything like this.
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                                          Vexed
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                                                                       03/22/04 11:12 AM




                                                                   Didnt they say you could write your name in a guys chest with bullet holes if you were accurate
                                                                   enough a long long time ago?



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                                          Unicorn                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Joe3DR]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:12 AM

                                                                   For the fun's sake add some power wires to an in-game computer once cut out DNF will self-terminate
                                                                   back to Windows /w a witty 120x68 remark upon it.

                                                                   Best tricks old tricks.


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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Unicorn]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:14 AM

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                                                                       For the fun's sake add some power wires to an in-game computer once cut out DNF will self-terminate
                                                                       back to Windows /w a witty 120x68 remark upon it.
                                                                       Best tricks old tricks.

                                                                   would be pretty irritating, and it had better save the game if it shuts it down.
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                                          NutWrench                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:16 AM

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                                                                       I...don't remember that.




                                                                   It was in the Episode 4: "PigSty" level in Duke Nukem 3D.
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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: jimbob]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:19 AM

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                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           For the fun's sake add some power wires to an in-game computer once cut out DNF will self-
                                                                           terminate back to Windows /w a witty 120x68 remark upon it.
                                                                           Best tricks old tricks.

                                                                       would be pretty irritating, and it had better save the game if it shuts it down.



                                                                   that sounds better suited to the "eternal darkness" game from silicon knights they did for the nintendo
                                                                   gamecube. it messed with your head like that.

                                                                   however, i agree-that would just be irritating in dnf. no one will like a "crash" to windows.

                                                                   now, they could joke around like that when duke finds a computer in the game he has to use-it
                                                                   crashes on him and gives him the blue screen of death. maybe it could give him this too:




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                                          Unicorn                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: jimbob]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:20 AM

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                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           For the fun's sake add some power wires to an in-game computer once cut out DNF will self-
                                                                           terminate back to Windows /w a witty 120x68 remark upon it.
                                                                           Best tricks old tricks.

                                                                       would be pretty irritating, and it had better save the game if it shuts it down.


                                                                   It should be in a super secret area, mainly for replay value. Maybe it could auto-save the game. They
                                                                   sure got UPS.
                                                                   It sure as hell would be a nice fun-in.

                                                                   oh and I don't see any irritation. The guys are sure to work it out.


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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Joe3DR]
                                                                       03/22/04 11:21 AM

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                                                                       For the record, it was cut from Duke3D because it looked stupid. Not to say it can't be made to work in
                                                                       DNF (or that we'd even try), just clarifying why it was cut. If I remember right, the pov when this was
                                                                       happeing looked dumb/bad/stupid, so it was removed.
                                                                       What's my point? Not every idea that one thinks will be great "on paper" or "in your mind" ends up
                                                                       looking good in the game.


                                                                   Yeah, I know what you mean.       You mentioned in some other thread about Duke's "flip-jump" or
                                                                   whatever from the first two games being cut because it looked bad, and I can definitely imagine why
                                                                   when I actually think about it.      I still hope the shotgun butting(     ) could be pulled off well
                                                                   in DNF, but I'm just throwing ideas out to the wind.

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       its in the police station map in the fourth episode of duke nukem 3d. in the same office as mclane just
                                                                       hop on the copy side of the machine and watch your ass on paper
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                                                                       It was in the Episode 4: "PigSty" level in Duke Nukem 3D.


                                                                   Okay, awesome!                ( /Quickly starts up Duke 3d         )

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                                          Lengis                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/22/04 03:20 PM

                                                                   Hmm, turning a stereo, listen to some tunes.

                                                                   Hit the action button on a magazine shelf, and browse some porn mags

                                                                   Shoot some hoops (Dues Ex anyone                            )

                                                                   Head soccer (Blood anyone?                         )

                                                                   Find a shaver, shave off the 5 o clock shadow (gotta look good for the babes)

                                                                   Hit the action button on a bartender, he passes you a beer
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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Lengis]
                                                                       03/22/04 03:23 PM

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                                                                       Find a shaver, shave off the 5 o clock shadow (gotta look good for the babes)
                                                                       Hit the action button on a bartender, he passes you a beer

                                                                   shaving sucks, i want to be able not to shave and end up looking like gus                      \o/

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                                          FireFly                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: jimbob]
                                                                       03/22/04 03:27 PM

                                                                   Or better yet, shave off Gus's beard.
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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: FireFly]
                                                                       03/22/04 03:29 PM

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                                                                       Or better yet, shave off Gus's beard.

                                                                   or shave the beard of the bearded woman \o/ or shave duke`s legs. now that would be interactive

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                                          Klaus Kinski                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: jimbob]
                                                                       03/22/04 03:32 PM


                                                                   I'd rather shave other parts of women than their facial growth.

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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Lengis]
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                                                                       Hmm, turning a stereo, listen to some tunes.
                                                                       Hit the action button on a magazine shelf, and browse some porn mags
                                                                       Shoot some hoops (Dues Ex anyone                        )
                                                                       Head soccer (Blood anyone?          )
                                                                       Find a shaver, shave off the 5 o clock shadow (gotta look good for the babes)
                                                                       Hit the action button on a bartender, he passes you a beer



                                                                   Being able to drink out of a beer fountain to regain health, and some other benefits, and being able to
                                                                   shoot cash registers, then money starts coming out and flying all over the place... (Max Payne
                                                                   anyone?)
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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       03/22/04 06:45 PM

                                                                   I want to be able to drink cola to regain health, stuff from the origina Duke 1 & 2 (and lameduke).

                                                                   It did look as though you would have something like this from what I seen in the 2001 video with the
                                                                   sandwich machine.
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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/22/04 07:01 PM

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                                                                       I want to be able to drink cola to regain health, stuff from the origina Duke 1 & 2 (and lameduke).
                                                                       It did look as though you would have something like this from what I seen in the 2001 video with the
                                                                       sandwich machine.



                                                                   Yeah, cola should be done in something else other than a vending machine like the games in the past,
                                                                   Max Payne and Half-Life being two great examples. However, to see Duke getting drunk in Vegas like
                                                                   everyone else, that would be cool to see Duke be able to do ANYTHING to regain health around the
                                                                   casino, or nightclub, or whatever the case may be.

                                                                   Yeah, there's a lot of things in Vegas that'll encourage interaction with anything Duke touches, and I'd
                                                                   like to see him do quite a lot, that's for sure!
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/22/04 08:42 PM


                                                                   Duke's main health system, along with the teh medkits, could be food.     You'd have cola, BEER,
                                                                   candy-bars, ect. and turkey that becomes double breasted if you shoot it...maybe.

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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/22/04 08:44 PM


                                                                   And Duke has to do the all american male thing... burp and fart! lol

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                                          Lain                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/22/04 09:04 PM

                                                                   It would be cool to see papers on the streets with phone numbers, dial it and hear a pig cop in the
                                                                   other line torturing some chicks, also being able to dial into joe's house and hearing something like
                                                                   your going to locksville,
                                                                   and also hear something like wid if you dial the release date.

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                                          Airtraffic                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/23/04 12:53 AM

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                                                                       And Duke has to do the all american male thing... burp and fart! lol


                                                                   I think thats a Canadian male thing...at least in public anyway....i remember when i lived in Hartford i
                                                                   met a guy that farted in toilets (not even kidding)     we Canadian guys clued him into the real world
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                                          ryche                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Airtraffic]
                                                                       03/23/04 04:35 AM

                                                                   My input on interactivity that I'm hopin for is if you see it and it's supposed to do something IRL, than
                                                                   it better do it in the game to some extend

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                                          IHerman                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: ryche]
                                                                       03/23/04 04:41 AM

                                                                   It would be nice if objects could actually break. A lot of game-engine's just remove the object and
                                                                   spawn some particles of debris.

                                                                   I'd like to see the pieces of an object flying all over the place bouncing against walls instead of some
                                                                   standard particles that disappear after a second.

                                                                   Of course this would affect performance, because 1 object with physics is split into many other
                                                                   objects. But I think they did it with Half-life so it's not impossible.
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                                          Lucky                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: IHerman]
                                                                       03/23/04 06:43 AM

                                                                   I'd sure like to be SURPRISED by what interactive stuff is in DNF. If I see a lot of features that were
                                                                   suggested in this thread I'll really wonder where the creativity in 3DR went.


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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Lucky]
                                                                       03/23/04 06:50 AM

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                                                                       I'd sure like to be SURPRISED by what interactive stuff is in DNF. If I see a lot of features that were
                                                                       suggested in this thread I'll really wonder where the creativity in 3DR went.



                                                                   gotta remember lucky, they've had the game under dev time for quite awhile. i'm pretty sure they've
                                                                   had alot of these ideas too. don't be surprised if you see alot of this stuff in game because it's actually
                                                                   pretty easy to think this stuff up. alot of posts in this thread actually repeat other ideas, so you would
                                                                   think 3dr has already thought up some of this too.

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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Airtraffic]
                                                                       03/23/04 01:47 PM

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                                                                           Quote:


                                                                           And Duke has to do the all american male thing... burp and fart! lol

                                                                       I think thats a Canadian male thing...at least in public anyway....i remember when i lived in
                                                                       Hartford i met a guy that farted in toilets (not even kidding)       we Canadian guys clued him into
                                                                       the real world BIGTIME



                                                                   /me wipes tear from eye...

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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/23/04 04:23 PM

                                                                   ^
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                                                                   Represent

                                                                   However, if Duke was to do the all American thing, he would burp, fart, drink beer, then crush it with
                                                                   his huge gut. Moreover, he would be very very fat, with rolls and rolls of fat, and sweaty too, wearing
                                                                   a torn ratty old stained shirt. He would complain that he hasn't seen his willy in 5 years, and would
                                                                   have to hire someone to wipe his ass. Actually, he just wouldn't bother to. Also, he'd very hairy, thick
                                                                   black curly hair all over his body. And he would smell really really bad too. Like a cross between body
                                                                   oder and mouldy cheese. Lastly, he would have an interesting attack, in which he hypnotises his
                                                                   enemies by jiggling his stomach.

                                                                   Perhaps, I'm being too critical. Nevertheless, my family recenetly went on a trip to florida and
                                                                   dinsyland, and there were a LOT of VERY fat people there.
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                                          Orochi Avlis                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       03/23/04 04:32 PM

                                                                   Don't forget the stupid asshat lawsuits!
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                                          Tyler Durden                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Orochi Avlis]
                                                                       03/23/04 05:04 PM




                                                                                                            We need one of these, working. That would rock!




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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Tyler Durden]
                                                                       03/23/04 05:12 PM

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                                                                                                                We need one of these, working. That would rock!



                                                                   /kaisersoze just wants to say hi to tyler durden.

                                                                   i like that idea too!

                                                                   more ideas-working fish aquariums and you have to feed the fish!

                                                                   working pencil sharpeners, fax machines, copy machines.

                                                                   globes that you can spin around.
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                                          Arkhangel
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/23/04 05:24 PM



                                                                   I'd like to be able drive a motorcycle or golf cart around inside a casino and shoot people/creatures.



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                                          AlienAssKicker               Re: Interactivity. [Re: Arkhangel]
                                                                       03/24/04 03:24 AM

                                                                   Lots of interactivity with the environment.
                                                                   example:

                                                                   - In the main hall of a grand casino in Las Vegas, Duke fires an RPG at the colossal chandelier
                                                                   suspended over a hord of unsuspecting Pig Cops.
                                                                   - Some pig cops managed to escape to "chandelier catastrophy" and are now following Duke up the
                                                                   grand staircase. Switfly, duke sticks a grenade mixed with alien goo (for the "sticking") on one of the
                                                                   massive roman style pillars. BOUM! The pillar's base rips a part and tilts towards the second pilar.
                                                                   Both come tumbling down the stairs as the roof collapses. No more pig cops.


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                                          fritzchen1                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: AlienAssKicker]
                                                                       03/24/04 08:15 AM

                                                                   Hijack vehicles like in gta vc, kick them off their motorcycle.
                                                                   Or even better, fly with the jetpack and kick the pigcop's ass out of the aircraft with your mighty boot.
                                                                   Then maneuver it into an horde of aliens and parachute before it chrashes.


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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: fritzchen1]
                                                                       03/24/04 03:20 PM

                                                                   In houses and stuff, where you have weak drywall and wood studs for the walls, there should be lots
                                                                   of places to break holes in the walls.

                                                                   Also, when you're crawling through air vents, they should break if you go through a weak section.

                                                                   Where there are books and libraries, there should be a large collection of actual books you can read.
                                                                   Like war and peace, or feng shui. lol

                                                                   Fruit that you can eat, and it gives you health, or at least a suger buzz (some kind of speed boost).
                                                                   And if you leave fruit out too long it'll go rotten and bugs and flies will appear around it.

                                                                   lol, every once in a while Duke will have to go to the bathroom. If you wait too long then you start to
                                                                   loose health, until you soil yourself. If that happens then you get a major speed slowdown, cause no
                                                                   one wants to move a lot in that mess. In order to get back your speed, you need to find a shower/
                                                                   bath and either washer/dryer or new clothes. Also, when Duke relieves himself, he can do it anywere,
                                                                   but if it's in a toilet then you get a health boost, rather then no boost at all.

                                                                   On a similar note, if you find a shower, Duke can actually have a shower. Of course, he would either
                                                                   wear a bathing suit or have censoring. Also, the shower gives a substantial health boost, and boosting
                                                                   ablities for a short time after. Although, Duke can't shower if there are enimies in the area, cause then
                                                                   he might get into a firefight in the nude, which would be unacceptable. Related to this, maybe at one
                                                                   point Duke is attacked in the shower, and has to do an entire level nude, where the objective is to get
                                                                   some clothes. Another thing you could do, is allow him to get attacked nude, then he has to defeat the
                                                                   enemy, and get dressed or find new clothes if the old ones get ruined. Of course, when he's naked
                                                                   there will be an armour penalty, dexterity boost, and Duke can't go in certain areas, cause he's nude
                                                                   and doesn't want to be embarrased.

                                                                   There should be various cameras in the game (Polaroid, digital, film) and you can take pictures of
                                                                   stuff, and save them too. Maybe it could be incorperated into a level/mission/puzzle.

                                                                   You know those fireplaces and bookshelfs that spin around to a secret passage when you hit a lever.
                                                                   There should be some of those.

                                                                   In castles and passages, there should be torches that you can actually pick up, use, put out, light, etc
                                                                   to help you find your way through dark areas.

                                                                   You should be able to get an item that's a police badge for the "p-ussy inspector". It gives you
                                                                   discounts with the strippers.

                                                                   One last thing, the electical systems in levels/buildings should acutally be laid out, so at times you can
                                                                   cut wires/flip breakers to disrupt power supply. You should also be able to hook together two wires, so
                                                                   you can recofigure the electrical system somewhat. Other things are extension cords, jumper cables,
                                                                   etc. You can use them to hook electrical devices up. Of course, there can also be portable and non-
                                                                   portible generators, and of course electrical outlet adaptors in case you're in a forign country.
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       03/24/04 03:48 PM

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                                                                       Related to this, maybe at one point Duke is attacked in the shower, and has to do an entire level nude,
                                                                       where the objective is to get some clothes. Another thing you could do, is allow him to get attacked
                                                                       nude, then he has to defeat the enemy, and get dressed or find new clothes if the old ones get ruined.
                                                                       Of course, when he's naked there will be an armour penalty, dexterity boost, and Duke can't go in
                                                                       certain areas, cause he's nude and doesn't want to be embarrased.


                                                                   That would be hilarious.    But he should be able to go anywhere, seeing as Duke's comment of "I go
                                                                   where I please, and I please where I go" would be a lie if he was small enough to get "embarassed".
                                                                         But the cops should try to stop him for public exposure of "The Duke".


                                                                   Here's an idea: would it be possible for Duke to automatically grab onto ledges if he falls off or if he
                                                                   jumps onto one that would normally be to high but his hands can reach, like in most sidescrollers
                                                                   (Commander Keen, DNMP)?

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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/24/04 03:55 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           Related to this, maybe at one point Duke is attacked in the shower, and has to do an entire level
                                                                           nude, where the objective is to get some clothes. Another thing you could do, is allow him to get
                                                                           attacked nude, then he has to defeat the enemy, and get dressed or find new clothes if the old
                                                                           ones get ruined. Of course, when he's naked there will be an armour penalty, dexterity boost, and
                                                                           Duke can't go in certain areas, cause he's nude and doesn't want to be embarrased.


                                                                       That would be hilarious.    But he should be able to go anywhere, seeing as Duke's comment of
                                                                       "I go where I please, and I please where I go" would be a lie if he was small enough to get
                                                                       "embarassed".        But the cops should try to stop him for public exposure of "The Duke".
                                                                       Here's an idea: would it be possible for Duke to automatically grab onto ledges if he falls off or if
                                                                       he jumps onto one that would normally be to high but his hands can reach, like in most

                                                                       sidescrollers(Commander Keen, DNMP)?

                                                                   hehe, cool. but i hope the enemy`s dont use the shrink rifle or duke is screwed

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: jimbob]
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                                                                   Haha,    "The Chiropracter" said something on that in a thread, about Duke Nukem: The Movie being
                                                                   a porno:

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                                                                       Well if script is the problem they could change the whole outlook and make a low end porn production
                                                                       or something
                                                                       *Alien points shrinker at Dukes crotch
                                                                       Duke: No... anything but that....




                                                                   And that could be the level where you scan and copy your butt on the printer!                While some
                                                                   strippers or something run away with the copied pages...

                                                                   Though seriously, that could make for a great and hilarious level. Ya gotta have some shorter, funny,
                                                                   "break" levels in-between all the more serious, and darker stuff.

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                                          jimbob                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/24/04 04:37 PM

                                                                   yeah, i remember that

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                                          Forrest Gump                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/24/04 07:05 PM

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                                                                       What kinds of things do you see Duke interacting with?


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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Forrest Gump]
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                                                                   ^^^^
                                                                   Probably one of the best first posts EVAR, I must say.

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                                        AlienAssKicker               Re: Interactivity. [Re: Forrest Gump]
                                                                     03/24/04 08:30 PM

                                                                 Gump. This Forum here ain't big enough for the both of us:




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                                          Mr.Blud                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: AlienAssKicker]
                                                                       03/24/04 08:48 PM

                                                                   Two things

                                                                   1) I want to be able to hit things with a bat, play some "fizzball" with pop cans mostly.

                                                                   2) Please have some sort of bullet "wounds" it doesn't have to be SOF levels, but I hate that 85% of
                                                                   all FPS games play like 1950's TV westerns where there's nary a drop of blood, and people just fall
                                                                   down dead.


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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/24/04 09:04 PM

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                                                                       Haha,        "The Chiropracter" said something on that in a thread, about Duke Nukem: The Movie being a
                                                                       porno:
                                                                         Quote:

                                                                           Well if script is the problem they could change the whole outlook and make a low end porn
                                                                           production or something
                                                                           *Alien points shrinker at Dukes crotch
                                                                           Duke: No... anything but that....




                                                                       Though seriously, that could make for a great and hilarious level. Ya gotta have some shorter,
                                                                       funny, "break" levels in-between all the more serious, and darker stuff.



                                                                   The object of that level... find the EXPANDER!

                                                                   With the standard "Ahhhh... much better." at the end.

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                                          Specialist                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Mr.Blud]
                                                                       03/24/04 09:25 PM

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                                                                       Two things
                                                                       1) I want to be able to hit things with a bat, play some "fizzball" with pop cans mostly.
                                                                       2) Please have some sort of bullet "wounds" it doesn't have to be SOF levels, but I hate that 85% of all
                                                                       FPS games play like 1950's TV westerns where there's nary a drop of blood, and people just fall down
                                                                       dead.



                                                                   ^^^
                                                                   Ooh I like that bat idea. Maybe we can also have it cause real-time deformation to objects too?
                                                                   Swinging the bat to the left would make a dent on the left, swinging it on the right-dent on the right.

                                                                   I wouldn't worry about blood though. Like other areas GB mentioned, this is probably also considered
                                                                   a pretty much standard thing.
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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Specialist]
                                                                       03/24/04 09:48 PM

                                                                   I would like some kind of Super-Gore powerup, or Super-Gore weapon. Basically in either case, when
                                                                   you kill a guy with the weapon he explodes with about 10 times as much gore as his body mass. The
                                                                   explosion is so powerful that it causes secondary damage to surrounding enemies, and there's a
                                                                   chance that the surrounding dude can get impaled on a piece of bone causing extra damage and a
                                                                   cool visual effect of bones sticking out. Or perhaps the bone fragments could form a sorta flak bomb
                                                                   like in UT.

                                                                   Oh and TVs should be able to turn on, and acutally show video clips of something meaningful. Mainly
                                                                   satirical snippits that make a mockery of other TV shows. Like a CNN run by computer geeks who
                                                                   watch too much fake britney pr0n. In other word, 3DRNN.
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                                     Dr.Dude                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
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                                                                The object of that level... find the EXPANDER!
                                                                With the standard "Ahhhh... much better." at the end.


                                                            If that's or something like that level is in the game, I swear I'll be laughing my f00kin' guddamn ass off.


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                                          Monkey TGM                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/24/04 09:51 PM

                                                                   Oooo, wouldn't this be fun, realistic water, turn on a sink, let it run and overflow then the room fills
                                                                   up. Not just a scripted sequence of simply raising the water level but water with realistic physics, that
                                                                   would be awsome, nearly impossible to pull off but still damn cool. Wouldnt you like to flood stuff or
                                                                   even, yes, slam someone into a wall with a firehose? yes of course, but thats not something that can
                                                                   be done yet, well 3drealms does have alot of time on their hands... who knows.

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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Forrest Gump]
                                                                       03/25/04 06:35 AM

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                                                                           What kinds of things do you see Duke interacting with?


                                                                       STRIPPERS !!!



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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: hell-angel]
                                                                       03/25/04 07:41 AM

                                                                   welcome to forrest gump from kaisersoze!
                                                                   tyler durden hangs out around here too!

                                                                   anyways-this may lean towards a.i. routines but i'd like duke to come across some friendly grey aliens
                                                                   in the game who are pissed off about being operated on.

                                                                   it'd be cool to see duke let them free of their operating tables and they decide to help out duke.
                                                                   maybe if pig cops bust into the room the greys will mutate into huge creatures and go munch on
                                                                   them. when they're done, they'll turn back into the little innocent grey aliens and come back to duke
                                                                   to watch his back.

                                                                   yeah, duke doesn't need sidekicks but for a level or 2, it would be kinda cool.
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/25/04 09:27 AM

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                                                                       welcome to forrest gump from kaisersoze!
                                                                       tyler durden hangs out around here too!


                                                                   Yeah, this is starting to get really weird and funny with the movie characters on here.      I'm just
                                                                   waiting for Darth Vader to pop up.

                                                                   I like the grey's idea, but I'm not sure if I'd want them following you around too much. But one ET-like
                                                                   alien mutating into some giant slobbering, vaguely shark-like beast and munching on a sqealing pig
                                                                   cop violently would be pretty awesome.

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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/25/04 12:59 PM

                                                                   another idea(may have already been posted)

                                                                   how about when duke walks into a bathroom, he can turn on the shower and take one? when the
                                                                   steam heats up the bathroom, it fogs up the mirror and duke can write with his fingers on it.

                                                                   a bowling alley-duke can bowl.

                                                                   animal shelter-duke can walk a dog on a leash.

                                                                   pet animals-have rooms with aquariums, bird cages, hamsters, cats, etc.

                                                                   drive through window-duke can order food through the drive up window.

                                                                   putt putt golf course-he can play golf.

                                                                   trampolines.
                                                                   go karts.
                                                                   batting cages.
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                                          Nessus                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/25/04 01:54 PM

                                                                   I have a good useless idea. A working polaroid camera that would take a photo of whatever you
                                                                   pointed it at and then you could stick it on a wall.

                                                                   And for a useful idea how about flying something like the predator drone so you can scope out an
                                                                   area. Or you could have a little remote control robotic mosquito that you could release and he would
                                                                   fly out and you could see through his eyes. Or course he would also be equipped with a poison stinger.
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                                          Evol Edd
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                                                                   my needs of interactivity are something like the things offered in Postal 2. throw gasoline at your
                                                                   enemies and throw a matchstick at them, and later unzipping your trouser and cooling their burnt
                                                                   skeleton down. not very politically correct, but neither is duke nukem as far as i can remember.



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                                          Viciarg
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                                                                       03/26/04 07:19 AM



                                                                   The whole level should be destroyable...e.g. nuke the whole city...

                                                                   many civilians to interact...but please not too much scripting...better ai makes the thing...



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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Viciarg]
                                                                       03/26/04 08:26 AM

                                                                   microwave popcorn

                                                                   exercise equipment

                                                                   bring the fire hydrants back!

                                                                   keycard access but i want to see duke's hand actually wave the card in front of the scanner.

                                                                   tools and power tools      that pesky pig cop knock your gun out of your hand? no problem, pick up a
                                                                   hammer and brain him.        plug in the band saw and cut a few pork chops.    then pick up the chunks
                                                                   of pig cop, pop it in the microwave and presto: food!
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                                          NewbieDragon                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/26/04 09:51 AM

                                                                   Here is my ideas!

                                                                   I would like to have a whole area, where Duke can interact with things, I would like him to talk with
                                                                   hot ladies, maybe some rpg dialog, with different options and consequences. And I would want him to
                                                                   be able to get in a fight, for some primitive male dominancy reason. And he should make a dance on
                                                                   the stage in front of everybody.. And there should to be ladies admiring him!

                                                                   Mm

                                                                   I would like to see some guys throwing darts, and Duke enters the game, misses and picks up a huge
                                                                   shotgun and blows a big hole in the target then he shall say “right on”. Or just “bullseye”.

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                                                                   Then I want to hear rock music slowly growing, and spotlights target duke, he starts silently to sing,
                                                                   and cruises towards the stage, grabs the microphone! “ I’m Duke let’s rock” then the singing will
                                                                   increase in volume and he will starts to wave his hands, and the audiences will follow, and there we
                                                                   have Duke totally owning the place! Man that would be awesome! Can you imagine!

                                                                   I want to see duke in a pair of tiny bathing shorts on a beach, with several women automatically
                                                                   follow him.

                                                                   I want duke be able to make holes in weak walls, with his foot, elbow or fists, “saying “damn it” “piece
                                                                   of crap”

                                                                   When duke does something involving both of his hands, a thing that always requires two hands, with
                                                                   babes watching, I would like to be able to -just for fun, switch to one hand, and having him say “ one
                                                                   hand “.

                                                                   I want duke to find a cool jacket! Which he then can wear for the rest if the game, if one wants to!

                                                                   I want to make card houses with duke! And every time he fails he says “crap” “shit” “those are to
                                                                   small for my big hands” “my chest is in the way “or the like.

                                                                   When he is about to press a button, I would want him to have the option to use a extender from his
                                                                   hand to press it, like a measuring stick or something,, (ohh remember my former boss now ! LOL

                                                                   Then I would want many different ways, occasionally, to kill a enemy, or a group of enemies. Electro
                                                                   lutes are cool, and squishings are always appreciated!

                                                                   I Would want him to change a directional sign, so it points to a small house, that has a big gas truck
                                                                   outside, which then Duke can fire at and blow them all up! With a single shot!




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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: NewbieDragon]
                                                                       03/26/04 11:01 AM

                                                                   welcome newbie dragon! some great ideas there for sure.

                                                                   another thing that wouldn't be the first time it's been seen but it'd be cool is to have duke fish at a
                                                                   lake or river, kinda like "the legend of zelda: the ocarina of time" did for the n64.

                                                                   i spent hours just sitting there with link fishing and it was fun!

                                                                   perhaps have choices of lures and you can bring your tackle box?

                                                                   other cool little things:

                                                                   those annoying electronic "bug zappers". have flies buzzing around them and getting electrocuted
                                                                   "zap".

                                                                   build camp fires! get some logs, put em in a pile and light it and watch the fire.

                                                                   i wanna mow the lawn-we need lawnmowers in dnf and you can actually see it cutting down the
                                                                   height of the grass or weeds.

                                                                   monkeys-there must be gorillas or monkeys in dnf. they're just cool.

                                                                   i want a radiation detector to use to find creepy aliens hiding in the area that give off the radiation.

                                                                   metal detector-use it to scan the ground for hidden metal items like coins or knives. when you find
                                                                   something, duke uses a small shovel to dig it up.

                                                                   a working drive through car wash. if duke has a car he can drive in dnf, perhaps he stops and goes
                                                                   through the carwash?

                                                                   gas station-he has to stop and gas up his car. working fuel pump. if an enemy attacks, turn the pump
                                                                   on it and spray him with gas, then throw a match-BOOM!
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/26/04 11:33 AM

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                                                                       another thing that wouldn't be the first time it's been seen but it'd be cool is to have duke fish at a lake
                                                                       or river, kinda like "the legend of zelda: the ocarina of time" did for the n64.
                                                                       i spent hours just sitting there with link fishing and it was fun!


                                                                   On a more sadistic note...

                                                                   If Duke tosses a pipe-bomb or shoots his RPG into a lake/pond/lagoon/river/etc., it would be cool if
                                                                   you suddenly see a ton of small fish go belly up and float to to the surface dead.   It would also be
                                                                   an oppurtunity for some kickass, Duke3d-style inside jokes, like for instance the Creature from the
                                                                   Black Lagoon also floating to the top "belly up".

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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/26/04 11:47 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           another thing that wouldn't be the first time it's been seen but it'd be cool is to have duke fish at
                                                                           a lake or river, kinda like "the legend of zelda: the ocarina of time" did for the n64.
                                                                           i spent hours just sitting there with link fishing and it was fun!


                                                                       On a more sadistic note...
                                                                       If Duke tosses a pipe-bomb or shoots his RPG into a lake/pond/lagoon/river/etc., it would be cool
                                                                       if you suddenly see a ton of small fish go belly up and float to to the surface dead.   It would
                                                                       also be an oppurtunity for some kickass, Duke3d-style inside jokes, like for instance the Creature
                                                                       from the Black Lagoon also floating to the top "belly up".



                                                                   or he's fishing and a huge wake comes towards him ala "iquanazilla" and he catches GINO(and

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                                                                   promptly gibs that piece of trash lizard with a rpg!             )

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/26/04 11:52 AM

                                                                   ^^^^
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                                          NewbieDragon                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/26/04 12:50 PM

                                                                   Thanks kaiserSoze!


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                                          Olpus                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/26/04 05:24 PM

                                                                   In my humble opinion i think making most of walls destructible will be a great fun.
                                                                   For example, i can choose of use a key to open a door, or to destroy it.
                                                                   A bit of this was seen in Red Faction, but in that game this thing wasn't implemented well, it was so
                                                                   unrealistic.
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                                                                   Howdy Olpus!

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                                          Marty                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Olpus]
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                                                                   with all these comments and ideas... will anyone be disapointed if you're wishes didnt come true?
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                                          IHerman                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Marty]
                                                                       03/26/04 08:00 PM

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                                                                       with all these comments and ideas... will anyone be disapointed if you're wishes didnt come true?

                                                                   Of course not. I just want to have fun. The things I mentioned in this thread are just examples.

                                                                   I'm sure 3DR will come up with a lot of cool stuff.
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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: IHerman]
                                                                       03/26/04 09:51 PM

                                                                   I watched the 2001 video over again and notice some interesting interactivity, first off there is two
                                                                   bottle being shot and broken and it appears that pieces of the bottle that fly away still have parts of
                                                                   the bottle texture, although you can't see it in these tiny gifs I created...



                                                                   ...also note duke ripping the leg off what appears to be an alien "insect" of some sort...



                                                                   I don't know if anyone noticed this before but it did seem to match some of the wishes people had in
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                                          Wamplet                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       03/26/04 09:53 PM

                                                                   ^ I swear. I just cringe everytime I see Duke ripping that alien's penix off.

                                                                   I wonder if those are 2 scenarios are still in it.

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Wamplet]
                                                                       03/26/04 10:13 PM

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                                                                       ^ I swear. I just cringe everytime I see Duke ripping that alien's penix off.


                                                                   Only you could have thought of that scene that way...                  Now I can never look at that little
                                                                   scene above ever again without thinking penixy-thoughts.

                                                                   I hope we get some badass insectoid-esque enemies like the the tiny ones in the '01 trailer and the
                                                                   red man-sized one's in the '98 trailer, that you can rip off or shoot apart the legs and antenna of.
                                                                   Especially the awesome '98 trailer's Insectoids...

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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/26/04 10:30 PM

                                                                   I still think that video kicks the shit outta everything out today. I mean look how much is going on!
                                                                   It's ****** insane, the detail.. the interactivity, it's absolutely ****** awesome! ****** FarCry man,
                                                                   i don't give a shit how good the graphics are, it dosen't hold a candle to this.

                                                                   *Fires up the E3 2001 video again..*



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                                          Gideon                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
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                                                                   I don't see how anybody could look at that knowing what we know now and still doubt 3DR.

                                                                   Stuff like that will be happening with higher detail environments, per-pixel lighting, bump mapping,
                                                                   and God only knows what else. On top of that, it will be a Duke game.

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                                          Fragger00                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/27/04 12:30 AM

                                                                   I know people already commented on this, but blowing up hover dam MUST be in the game. I will be
                                                                   very disappointed if you leave that out. You could even have blowing it up as a secret that changes
                                                                   the gameplay a bit.

                                                                   Another thing I would like to see is people who react to you shooting in crouded places. If you walk
                                                                   into the mall with no guns revealed and suddenly take out a shot gun, I want people to run away
                                                                   screaming! If you start shooting, have them start to run away even quicker. Mabye have people
                                                                   trampling each other or something like that. Muhahaha!!! <Calming down>

                                                                   And about the microwave thing, do like they did in Batman Returns and put something that will
                                                                   explode into it and use it as a timebomb.

                                                                   Mainly I just want it to feel real. I hate how older games didn't have innocent bystanders. I hate
                                                                   feeling like I'm the last person in existance all the time. Even if they just run away real quick, it would
                                                                   at least make the game feel more real.


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                                          0marTheZealot                Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/27/04 12:50 AM

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                                          NewbieDragon                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/27/04 01:51 AM

                                                                   *gasp*

                                                                   Some morning ideas...



                                                                   I want duke to have different ingredients and a way to mix these, into several different things, -
                                                                   several different bombs perhaps.

                                                                   I want to be unarmed in a barn with three different fertilizers, that when mixed can make 6 different
                                                                   bombs, (I guess nine is to many      , but not only that i would want to chose if i want to make 12 small
                                                                   8 medium or 4 big, and perhaps one HUGE and i want there to be tactical room to use each one of
                                                                   these, and complete the task with each of those choices, some easier and some harder. Like I made x
                                                                   level with the incendiary huge bomb! "ohh how did you do that " I lured them all in the barn, closed
                                                                   and blocked the door, and then I threw in my Molotov cocktail, in that ventilation hole, located on the
                                                                   east wall a quarter down, you should have seen the graphic effect when it burned down", almost
                                                                   immediately three of the walls gave in, leaving one holding up a part of the roof, and the middle level
                                                                   of the barn, there i saw a pig cop, he was dark from the flames, i think it was some kind of elite cop,
                                                                   he was the only one surviving, but eventually i saw him choke to death, from my viewing position
                                                                   threw my binoculars.

                                                                   Thinking about tactics, i want Duke to preplan a fight and move objects according to it. Gas barrels,
                                                                   containers..

                                                                   I want to have the option in bar episode, to disguise myself as a bartender, and serve pig cops and
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                                                                   talking to them, in the dialog options, i would want to have one "three" that will make me lure the
                                                                   cops, into a trap, that i have to hurry to manpower, before the cops arrives!


                                                                   I want Duke, to call his grandma and saying everything is okay.

                                                                   I want duke to have the ability to kick open doors, even and especially when it can be opened
                                                                   normally, I want him to say "crap door" “piece of crap” when he do this!


                                                                   I want duke to find a huge hammer drill, that he can test and try, I want him to give it a female
                                                                   name, and even use as a tool in the game, to take unconventional paths, perhaps he can find a map,
                                                                   where you can see where to drill, to make a short cut, or perhaps where you can drill for a secret!
                                                                   This could be cool in multiplayer, allowing players to change the map during game play. Maybe you
                                                                   drill a shortcut between the armor and the health, or perhaps you drill one to be able to intercept your
                                                                   foe at an unexpected spot!



                                                                   And he should be able to kill enemies with it! mm thinking about it perhaps you can hold this tool with
                                                                   one hand and having him say "one hand"


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                                          Buck Rogers                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/27/04 05:47 AM

                                                                   Hmm. What kinds of things do I see Duke interacting with?

                                                                   Light switches, television sets (ala Max Payne 2), vehicles, any objects on a table, etc. Basically, I
                                                                   thought Max Payne 2 did a great job of balancing interactivity vs. time needed to create it. There was
                                                                   enough interactivity to keep the levels from being stale, etc.


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                                          Jezza                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Buck Rogers]
                                                                       03/27/04 07:24 AM

                                                                   OK, I was just over at the foliage thread which go tme thinking about George's comment about DNF
                                                                   being set in the Las Vegas desert...

                                                                   I'd like to see realistic sand, like duke could kick sand with the mighty boot into the eyes of his
                                                                   enemies, or he could stop and chat up some bird and make sandcastles with her, or something...
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                                          sir_plague                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/27/04 01:11 PM

                                                                   I don't really think that this is interactivity, but I'll just go ahead and say it becaue it'll get lost in this
                                                                   thread anyway.

                                                                   I get absolutely annoyed when I have an automatic weapon in a game, and I just start spraying a
                                                                   room with bullets and there is practically no bullet hit effects whatsoever. A small hole in the wall and
                                                                   a little smoke don't do it for me. I need lots of debris, lots of smoke. If I shoot slot machines there has
                                                                   to be coins and electric sparks, etc. Make it fun to watch crap get shot.
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                                          Sirikin                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/27/04 02:39 PM

                                                                   Been a while since I came to check up on this game. Nice to see a developer letting their future
                                                                   customers provide feedback like this.

                                                                   I think it would be nice if:

                                                                   1. Turn radio on/off in vehicles
                                                                   2. being able to use remote controls (hold them like if you were using a gun) to operate things. TVs,
                                                                   Radios, maybe even remote control cars/planes/helicopters (mini game style) and maybe use these R/
                                                                   C vehicles to acess a switch/button that duke can't get to...
                                                                   3. Go out on a date with one of the strippers (build dukes health/confidence at the end of that :P).


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                                          Shakuan                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/27/04 02:45 PM

                                                                   There should be a camera on a stand somewhere aiming at a particular spot. That camera would be
                                                                   set with a delay.

                                                                   So you could activate the camera, and have 5 secondes to go do some stuff in front of it before it
                                                                   takes a picture (that would be a screenshot saved to disk). There could be a flash in the game telling
                                                                   u when it takes the picture. Would be awesome to move the camera wherever you want also.

                                                                   Imagine how cool it would be to have pictures of yourself kicking aliens butts! 3DRealms could then
                                                                   host a contest of the funniest pictures taken by that camera.


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                                          Tang Lung                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Shakuan]
                                                                       03/27/04 04:04 PM

                                                                   Just a few ideas..

                                                                   -Object Interactivity-

                                                                   - A radio in certain areas that can play music from a selected folder in which you put your own mp3's
                                                                   in

                                                                   - A TV which not only plays certain clips, but you can flick channels and turn the volume up and down

                                                                   - An empty bottle can be filled with water at a sink and taken with you to replenish some health later
                                                                   (does anyone else hate it that alot of games dont have health replenishing inventory items!)

                                                                   -General interactivity features-

                                                                   - Scenery can be deformed to a certain degree, like you can shoot bullets through walls (It would be
                                                                   cool to be able to see light through the hole, or even see through teh hole itself, but I imagine thats
                                                                   not possible with current systems)

                                                                   - I think most of us here definatly wnat to be able to see you actually 'interacting' with the
                                                                   enviroment, being able to see your hands pushing buttons on the exact place etc (if you move the
                                                                   view point it just carrys on with the anim)

                                                                   Ill try and think of more later if I get the chance

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                                          Acleacius                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Tang Lung]
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                                                                   Ok havent seen anything on the most important Interactivity/gameplay feature COOP.
                                                                   OK, I know you arent including it in the retail release, BUT the most imporant thing 3DRealms can do
                                                                   is NOT to complicate the creation of a COOP mod.
                                                                   Possibly putting things in to make it EASIER to create a COOP mod.
                                                                   Like something simular to a Serious Sam or Will Rock, in a sence of ammo stay placements being
                                                                   visable to multipule people.
                                                                   Or PLEASE add Multipule Spawn Points at the start of each map, so complete maps WONT have to be
                                                                   REDONE and Avoiding everyone having to redownload TWEAKED maps.

                                                                   Small things like this would be a HUGE BOON to your fans and the Kick*ss Nature of DUKE.
                                                                   As a matter of Fact due to Brandon's Supreme Skillz, Consideration and Compassion for the Unreal
                                                                   Coop Community he alone came forward to help the Mod community bring Unreal COOP to the UT
                                                                   Tech level.
                                                                   After 5 years, easily a couple hundred people still play it, in one version or another. Thats with little or
                                                                   no support for the COOP community.
                                                                   With the thousands of people begging for COOP games now days you could easily increase sales by
                                                                   15% with Minimum Effort and deal
                                                                   a Migthy Kick to the Crouch of your Competitors.
                                                                   I can see the headlines now "Duke Secretly Ships with COOP and Kicks the *hit out of the
                                                                   Competition"

                                                                   Anyone else ?


                                                                   Edit : I swear. I just cringe everytime I see Duke ripping that alien's penix off.

                                                                   Maybe that is how Duke get Alien Goo for his GooGun, you can see the huge supply of Goo available
                                                                   once the penix is RIPPED off

                                                                   Edit Edit : Hello

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                                          wolf678
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Acleacius]
                                                                       03/27/04 05:28 PM



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                                          wolf678                      Rise of the Triad [Re: wolf678]
                                                                       03/27/04 05:34 PM

                                                                   Will anything ROTT related be created ever again?
                                                                   It would be great to see a' Rise of The Triad 2' as good as Duke Nukem Forever.
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                                          jet jaguar 2.0               Re: Interactivity. [Re: wolf678]
                                                                       03/28/04 02:13 AM

                                                                   How about for the multiplayer game you have DN3D arcade games setup around the level and you
                                                                   and other players play mp deathmatches on those machines! And then on the DN3D arcade machines
                                                                   you and the other players can go play with Wolfenstein 3D arcade games so it'd be a multi-player
                                                                   game within the multi-player game within the multi-player game!

                                                                   It'd be a game coder's nightmare come true!
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                                          Ninja                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: jet jaguar 2.0]
                                                                       03/28/04 02:53 AM

                                                                   How about cloth effects so that if I throw an object on say a bed cover, the cloth sags and stretches,
                                                                   and if that object is removed, you can see the outline of that object pressed into the cover that
                                                                   remains until I move the cover around!

                                                                   Okay, that's probably a bit too extreme but still.
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                                          Squiddy                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Ninja]
                                                                       03/28/04 08:37 AM

                                                                   Hi everyone...Those are some awesome ideas, I definately can't wait to grab some aliens head and
                                                                   jetpack him into the ceiling.


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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Squiddy]
                                                                       03/28/04 09:43 AM

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                                                                       Hi everyone...Those are some awesome ideas, I definately can't wait to grab some aliens head and
                                                                       jetpack him into the ceiling.



                                                                   That'd be great!

                                                                   Or.. grab an enemy, fire up the jet pack, fly super high then drop him to his death. SPLAT!



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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Soilwork]
                                                                       03/28/04 12:52 PM

                                                                   After seeing iCeT's wallpaper.. make sure there's blood 'n guts on the Mighty Foot!



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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Soilwork]
                                                                       03/29/04 11:18 AM

                                                                   just got inspiration from the "vegetation in dnf" thread.

                                                                   how about using a machete to cut vines and then being able to drink the water running out of the
                                                                   vines?

                                                                   plant a garden. later in the game, come back and throw tomatoes at the enemies.

                                                                   spray paint-tag everything. perhaps even have a multiplayer area where there's a big wall everyone
                                                                   can paint on.

                                                                   newspaper holders where you have to deposit coins to get a paper. duke buys a paper and can
                                                                   examine/read the front page for example: "horny aliens stealing our chicks!"

                                                                   when duke gets shot, look down to see blood on his shirt or a wound on his arm. maybe he becomes
                                                                   dizzy or lightheaded and the screen obscures your vision a bit with duke having a hard time aiming at
                                                                   enemies until you find health?

                                                                   post it notes you can write on and put anywhere. (put "kick me" on one and slap it on the back of a
                                                                   pig cop).
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                                          IHerman                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/30/04 03:52 AM

                                                                   I want to see myself in shiny surfaces. Not only in mirrors.

                                                                   I would prefer to see my feet when I look down. I want to know I'm actually a person in the game and
                                                                   not a gun floating in mid-air.

                                                                   Spray painting on walls would be cool.

                                                                   And I want to blow stuff up!
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                                          Beelze                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Soilwork]
                                                                       03/30/04 07:32 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       After seeing iCeT's wallpaper.. make sure there's blood 'n guts on the Mighty Foot!




                                                                   Green blood which you can interact with!

                                                                         s   Fill a vial/bottle/container with some liquid
                                                                         s   Pour it out somewhere (so that whatever item/area you pour it on reacts accordingly to
                                                                             whatever liquid it was)
                                                                         s   Drink the liquid for various effects
                                                                         s   Splash the liquid on someone
                                                                         s   and other stuff!

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                                          Drazula                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Beelze]
                                                                       03/30/04 07:40 AM

                                                                   The one piece of useless interactivity I expect 100% in DNF is a cell phone! You know Dr. Proton,
                                                                   wrong numbers, and women will be calling Duke. The one liner replies should be hysterical. And it
                                                                   might turn out to be useful as well (phoning in an airstrike...).

                                                                   Yes, Duke must be armed with a cell phone.

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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Drazula]
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                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       The one piece of useless interactivity I expect 100% in DNF is a cell phone! You know Dr. Proton,
                                                                       wrong numbers, and women will be calling Duke. The one liner replies should be hysterical. And it
                                                                       might turn out to be useful as well (phoning in an airstrike...).
                                                                       Yes, Duke must be armed with a cell phone.



                                                                   or when duke is in a huge fire fight with a pig cop, his cell phone will ring and it's a telemarketer.

                                                                   duke answers and says "hold on" and then yells over to the pig cop "it's for you!". the pig cop puts it's
                                                                   gun down and comes over to duke and grabs the cell phone and makes a few grunts.

                                                                   duke turns around and says "2 birds with one stone" and pulls out his rpg gun and gibs the pig cop
                                                                   and the phone.

                                                                   "no body tries to sell viagra to duke!" and he walks away....



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                                          Scylibs                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       03/30/04 08:37 AM

                                                                   If / When there's a payphone, Duke should be able to actually make a realtime call to anybody in the
                                                                   world. If you have a mic, you could talk to them and the other person would hear you in a "Duke"
                                                                   voice.

                                                                   Is that too much to ask?

                                                                   Oh, and btw, 3drealms would be responsible to pay for all the long distances.


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                                          mysteryperfecta                Re: Interactivity. [Re: Scylibs]
                                                                         03/30/04 10:13 AM

                                                                     I don't know if this has been mentioned, but what about using bodies as human shields?
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                                          Combat Chuck                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: mysteryperfecta]
                                                                       03/30/04 04:30 PM

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                                                                       I don't know if this has been mentioned, but what about using bodies as human shields?



                                                                   I think that'd be really cool, but I'd also like it to be a little more useful, such as grabbing NPC's by the
                                                                   arm and either dragging them from danger or placing them in danger, depending on what you want. I
                                                                   noticed that in Half-Life, there was no way to save certain NPC's from death. It'd be cool if DNF would
                                                                   allow you to do it.


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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Combat Chuck]
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                                                                   Hmm, I wonder how using a stripper as a human shield would be like? Well, it should be Duke to
                                                                   shield the stripper!

                                                                   Moving right along, it would be cool if Duke would be able to play "Russian Roulette" as an interactive
                                                                   game in DNF, since Duke IS in Vegas, just play a game of roulette with a Pig Cop, if you win, the pig
                                                                   cop gets splattered into itty-bitty pieces, if you lose, then you have to fight a big squad of pig cops
                                                                   that he has radioed for backup! Hehe...
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       03/30/04 05:45 PM

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                                                                       Moving right along, it would be cool if Duke would be able to play "Russian Roulette" as an interactive
                                                                       game in DNF, since Duke IS in Vegas, just play a game of roulette with a Pig Cop, if you win, the pig
                                                                       cop gets splattered into itty-bitty pieces, if you lose, then you have to fight a big squad of pig cops that
                                                                       he has radioed for backup! Hehe...



                                                                   Great idea!

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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       03/30/04 05:50 PM

                                                                   Why thank you, I wonder what other Vegas games would earn Duke some awesome stuff. Hmm, a
                                                                   game of craps, maybe? What would Duke win or lose on here? I have to think for a minute...
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                                          FusionC                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       03/30/04 06:48 PM

                                                                   Hi.. first post here, I think it would be a great idea if they hid like a hoverboard somewhere in the
                                                                   level or maybe a pigcop jet..this would be so cool. Just think that when you've gone through the level
                                                                   enough and your just about to finish it you can go cruising around interacting with all the cool stuff
                                                                   before you get bored of the level then you just go to the next. Maybe they could also have a really
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                                          Gideon                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Drazula]
                                                                       03/31/04 12:31 AM

                                                                   To me, Duke doesn't seem like the type that would be into technology the way we all are. He seems
                                                                   like the type that would make fun of stuff like Cellphones, laptops, PDA's and the like.

                                                                   But I can see where he might want a cellphone for keeping in touch with babes.
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                                          theRobot                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gideon]
                                                                       03/31/04 12:39 AM

                                                                   Nope, Cell/PDA

                                                                   Duke-"Duke has gone Digital"

                                                                   That way his black book is in the PDA...


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                                          thanatar                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: theRobot]
                                                                       03/31/04 07:01 AM

                                                                   i have a nice idea for a mp modus

                                                                   do you know capture the hill?
                                                                   a team must try to hold a restricted area free of enemys in maybe 4 min . and then the area is
                                                                   captured and you
                                                                   must defend the sex-bar ( for example ) and the looser team must try to get this bar under control


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                                                                   G'day guys.

                                                                   (Gameplay/Fun) - Personally i woould like to see an expanded use for the mighty foot. Besides
                                                                   squishing Aliens i would like to see it kick open/closed doors, kick out windows, kick over barrels, be
                                                                   used as the: Donkey (Mule) Acceleration Tool.

                                                                   (Gameplay) Perhaps a pistol whip function could be incorporated into Dukes repetoire so if an alien is
                                                                   close a button will whip one up side his head.

                                                                   (Gameplay) "Active" environments - monitors with displays/readouts etc... working machinery etc..
                                                                   juse those things that add to immersion

                                                                   (Gameplayfun) Perhaps an alien translation tool, where Duke can either gather information on
                                                                   enemies/events or at least hear them talking smack about him.

                                                                   (Fun) Little things such as posters for Lo Wang etc.. hung up in places, little homages to Duke 3D
                                                                   which i should imagine is probably already in the game.

                                                                   (Fun) An expanded Duke Karaoke section - akin to his Born To Be Wild rendition in D3D.

                                                                   (Fun) A 3drealms office multiplayer level/arena

                                                                   (Fun) Donkey Duels - MP maps where donkeys are ridden into combat. Perhaps even a mode where
                                                                   you joust with things left around teh Nevada landscape - Fence pailings, street signs, dessicated thin
                                                                   Aliens etc..


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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Brodieman]
                                                                       03/31/04 11:49 AM

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                                                                       G'day guys.
                                                                       (Gameplayfun) Perhaps an alien translation tool, where Duke can either gather information on enemies/
                                                                       events or at least hear them talking smack about him.
                                                                       (Fun) A 3drealms office multiplayer level/arena
                                                                       (Fun) Donkey Duels - MP maps where donkeys are ridden into combat. Perhaps even a mode where
                                                                       you joust with things left around teh Nevada landscape - Fence pailings, street signs, dessicated thin
                                                                       Aliens etc..



                                                                   hey ya brodie!

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                                                                   those above^ are great suggestions!

                                                                   i like the alien translation tool idea. seems that could be very funny. excellent suggestion.

                                                                   3drealms office-if they don't do it for mp, i'm sure the modders will.

                                                                   donkey/mule duels-your winnar!                               dr dude will love that idea.

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       03/31/04 05:49 PM

                                                                   Damn right!


                                                                   Anything involving Mules and interacting with them + DNF = GOLD!

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                                          MegaMustaine                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: JackMeaph]
                                                                       03/31/04 10:19 PM


                                                                   I think being able to piss on dead bodies "In Game" would be damn cool.
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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: MegaMustaine]
                                                                       03/31/04 10:35 PM

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                                                                       I think being able to piss on dead bodies "In Game" would be damn cool.



                                                                   It's DNF, not Postal. I don't think it's appropriate or necessary.
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                                          identity                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: thanatar]
                                                                       04/01/04 04:21 AM

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                                                                       i have a nice idea for a mp modus
                                                                       do you know capture the hill?
                                                                       a team must try to hold a restricted area free of enemys in maybe 4 min . and then the area is
                                                                       captured and you
                                                                       must defend the sex-bar ( for example ) and the looser team must try to get this bar under control



                                                                   good idea thanatar... sounds like a variation of UT's domination... it's quite different actually, but i
                                                                   think the way i have it invisioned is different than what you're talking about... i pictured this with
                                                                   several "capture points" around the map where you have to be "king of the hill" to win... maybe
                                                                   capturing several points is the only way to unlock the door to the big 'hill' a'la onslaught in UT2K4 but
                                                                   more involved and i think more fun... games would last a while because each point would be a
                                                                   massive battle for control... it can't be easy or it ruins the fun... IMHO

                                                                   anyways, good idea... i'm sure the mod community will come up with something similar... if not, it
                                                                   wouldn't be that hard to make (provided you know UnrealED... i've never opened the program...
                                                                   possibly now with UT2K4 i will give it a try... so you can be expecting roughly the same timeframe as
                                                                   WID...

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                                          identity                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       04/01/04 05:24 AM

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                                                                           The one piece of useless interactivity I expect 100% in DNF is a cell phone! You know Dr. Proton,
                                                                           wrong numbers, and women will be calling Duke. The one liner replies should be hysterical. And it
                                                                           might turn out to be useful as well (phoning in an airstrike...).
                                                                           Yes, Duke must be armed with a cell phone.


                                                                       or when duke is in a huge fire fight with a pig cop, his cell phone will ring and it's a telemarketer.
                                                                       duke answers and says "hold on" and then yells over to the pig cop "it's for you!". the pig cop
                                                                       puts it's gun down and comes over to duke and grabs the cell phone and makes a few grunts.
                                                                       duke turns around and says "2 birds with one stone" and pulls out his rpg gun and gibs the pig
                                                                       cop and the phone.
                                                                       "no body tries to sell viagra to duke!" and he walks away....




                                                                   this level of interactivity, while hilarious, is a little over the top... i think the cell phone itself is a great
                                                                   idea, and could add a lot of good, simple to impliment gameplay, as long as its function is kept useful,
                                                                   and not silly... i think the scene you give above is more suited for a beginning of the level cutscene or
                                                                   something like that... still clever...

                                                                   Painting a mural on a wall with the soggy end of your enemy's severed arm sounds cool, but imagine
                                                                   programming it... FPS's aren't meant to get THAT detailed, and i'm sure it would piss off a bunch of
                                                                   FPS purists (the people that hated deus ex because it was too RPG-y, for example)... trying to put
                                                                   that level of detail into a game that's very action oriented just kills the pace and takes away from the
                                                                   experience... not to mention, the whole cell phone/pig cop thing would be amusing once or twice, but
                                                                   as a weapon??? NO... Keep in mind, i am definately an advocate of attention to detail, and pushing
                                                                   the envelope in new games... it makes the game... judging by the way things have gone in the past 6
                                                                   years, with the huge advancements in tech, if i don't get to slap an enemy with his own limbs by
                                                                   2010, i'll be dissapointed... but i'm sure by that time you could slingshot an olive across a bar into
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                                                                   some sluts cleavage (good minigame)... but for the meantime, i'm just anticipating a really good FPS
                                                                   with the tech we have now...
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                                          Anonymous                    River City Ransom-ish [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/02/04 01:12 AM
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                                                                   Think River City Ransom + Streets of Rage + X-Com

                                                                   1) Tossing/pushing enemies into traffic.

                                                                   2) 100X the number of bullet holes present before they start to disappear, or even make it so they
                                                                   never disappear.

                                                                   3) I want walls to be destroyed dynamically, as well as many objects.

                                                                   4) If I shoot something with a bullet, it should take the momentum of the bullet. If someone tosses
                                                                   me a baseball, and I shoot it, or hit it, it should fly away in the opposite direction, even if it's in pieces.

                                                                   I wish I had seen this post 3 weeks ago, but I find the less I look at the DNF website, the easier it is
                                                                   waiting for the release.


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                                          killerduke                   Re: River City Ransom-ish [Re: ]
                                                                       04/03/04 04:25 AM

                                                                   Maybe you could collect money.
                                                                   with the money you could buy stuff and services like
                                                                   pizza, beer, go to the gym, hairstylist.
                                                                   Maybe if dukes need some egopoints!

                                                                   Yeah, one level at the beach with duke (with a trunk) would be cool, or by the pool. There should be
                                                                   also many girls and so on.


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                                          Dash 9                       Re: River City Ransom-ish [Re: killerduke]
                                                                       04/03/04 10:53 AM

                                                                   Haven't had the time to read every post before me so there might be a repeat. For once, Duke 3D had
                                                                   an excellent interactivity level; wall switches, exploding fire extinguishers, radio microphones, pool
                                                                   table and such.
                                                                   What I'd like as interactivity;

                                                                   -   Shoot out lights and thrown the place in the dark, like in AvP.
                                                                   -   Destroy wooden doors with the weaponry
                                                                   -   TV sets and/or radios that could play custom MPEG/MP3 files.
                                                                   -   The ability to make holes in walls/floors like Red Faction.
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                                          Gamebrain                    Re: River City Ransom-ish [Re: Dash 9]
                                                                       04/04/04 12:44 PM

                                                                   One more thing: Duke should be able to go up to a computer in a casino and be able to use a
                                                                   interface similar to windows. But you can also click on the interface an icon that will let you
                                                                   play the full version of Duke Nukem 3D!! And Duke could say "Dont have time to play with
                                                                   myself, but ill give it a go!"
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                                          Big Man                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/04/04 01:37 PM

                                                                   I'm bored, so I'll input a little.

                                                                   -First of all, I want to look down and see feet. Is this sooo hard?!

                                                                   -Large appliances create a lot of noise - they can be turned off by walking over or shooting the power
                                                                   cable running to the wall.

                                                                   -TVs with an antenna on top - knock over the antenna and TV goes snowy.

                                                                   -Step on keyboard of computer/hit computer (but not shoot) and it bluescreens.

                                                                   -Car alarms - some ways to set them off...

                                                                   -Duke should comment on amount/lack of obligatory crates in an area.

                                                                   -button panels with more than one option - not just a lever or one button. You'd have to place the
                                                                   cursor over the correct button on the panel to make something happen (ie, more than one function
                                                                   per panel). - elevators that go to more than one floor, light switch that turns on two lights
                                                                   independantly, etc...

                                                                   -Jump and pull yourself up onto a ledge

                                                                   -I'm tired of invincible wood (enough said there)

                                                                   -Toilets should break when shot or blown up

                                                                   -There should be some drawback to having wet clothing after jumping in water (albeit nothing big)

                                                                   -After you break a car (either by crashing it or shooting it) the warning light should go on on the
                                                                   dashboard

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                                                                   -shoot matresses and pillows and they become visibly damaged (and the result is a puff of feathers/
                                                                   foam)

                                                                   -open/close drawers

                                                                   -change TV channels - is 10 little animation clips too many, doesn't seem so to me?

                                                                   -turn on and off water in ALL faucets

                                                                   -if there is an electronic device, it should go on and off - it hardly has to do anything - just light up at
                                                                   least

                                                                   -when you blow up a roulette table, the wheel should roll across the floor.

                                                                   -I wouldn't mind seeing a special "edge" bullet mark - too often, even in new games, a bullet decal
                                                                   will stick halfway off the edge of a wall - pretty crappy if you ask me.

                                                                   -Imagine shooting through a door, and light shines through the bullet holes.

                                                                   -cool bullet into water effects (from underwater perspective)

                                                                   -knock/shoot guns out of enemies' hands

                                                                   -I want to see a decal on unbreakable glass claiming it's bulletproof (like company logo) - ie "Plexicor
                                                                   Duraglass(tm)" or something in the lower right corner.

                                                                   -Shoot the legs out of gambling table and it tips on its side realistically

                                                                   That's enough for now..
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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Big Man]
                                                                       04/04/04 04:32 PM

                                                                   Some form of GEOModding! I just got me Red Faction and I think this is really one of the better parts
                                                                   of the game! Though in Red Faction it's a bit too limited, for example, after a good amount of holes
                                                                   you can't blow more holes in it because you reached something like the Maximum amount of holes.
                                                                   Besides Geomodding (or a variation to it) really seems like Duke! And it gives you more the feel that
                                                                   you're not in some kind of Hollywood set where only the stuff that is supposed to break can break and
                                                                   nothing else.

                                                                   For example setting the properties for any brush/mesh to "Allow Geomodding ON" or something.
                                                                   Would also be very good for the community. People could actually build "nukeable levels" for once.

                                                                   Just a thought I've been having for about the last 48 hours or so...
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                                          Suteki                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: crunchysuperman]
                                                                       04/05/04 06:08 AM

                                                                   I'll second what crunchysuperman said:
                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       - I'd like to be able to shoot down large outdoor overhead signs & have them deal damage if they fall
                                                                       on enimies.
                                                                       - Kick enemies into moving traffic.
                                                                       - How about having change spill out of slot machines, payphones, vending machiens when they're
                                                                       damaged?
                                                                       - Working sprikler systems.



                                                                   And add my own:
                                                                   -Cans of whipped cream. Can be used to "spray" on anything, including strippers. Also use with
                                                                   microwave oven to make a time bomb.
                                                                   -Drivable forklift that Duke can skewer aliens with
                                                                   -"Kick" key. Helps the game tell when user is bumping in to an object and when the user wants to kick
                                                                   it hard. Keep "use" key for picking up/activating objects.
                                                                   -As Kalki said, TV and radio. Random ads and news with alien interference and messages.
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                                                                   -Drivable bicycle. (hey, a trike worked for NOLF 2)
                                                                   -motorbike that can be used to bash down doors, and drive inside buildings
                                                                   -kicking open a door when an alien is on the other side knocks the door into the alien's face, dealing
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                                          Hudson                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Suteki]
                                                                       04/06/04 05:09 AM

                                                                   Doorlock + Bullet = NO MORE LOCK ON DOOR.

                                                                   I cannot open a cabnet door with a double barrel?? or RPG??
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                                          Ninja
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Hudson]
                                                                       04/06/04 06:59 AM




                                                                   /shameless ripoff of the "good" ending of Army of Darkness

                                                                   Duke should be able to ride a shopping trolley through a supermarket blowing bad guys away!



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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Hudson]
                                                                       04/06/04 05:32 PM

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                                                                       Doorlock + Bullet = NO MORE LOCK ON DOOR.
                                                                       I cannot open a cabnet door with a double barrel?? or RPG??



                                                                   Hehe, great idea, Hudson, that happened in Max Payne, where if you saw a padlock, you could shoot
                                                                   it away and gain access to the room. Who needs a skeleton key if a bullet is your REAL answer to
                                                                   opening a door, huh?

                                                                   On MY note now, another thing I'd like to see, I've seen this in other recent games, maybe you have
                                                                   too... Being able to lean around a door and toss a pipebomb into the room to blast away some aliens.
                                                                   RtCW is a prime example of this, using grenades to lob into the next room without anyone seeing you,
                                                                   then letting 'em have it! That was soooo sweet! Of course, it's moves like that which makes FPS
                                                                   games so realistic. Of course, for Duke, I'd say that this wouldn't be used for sneaking purposes, but it
                                                                   would be just as cool to please both those who play sneakily, and for those who barge into a room
                                                                   with open blazing guns. Just a suggestion, don't flame the messenger! Hehe...
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                                          kemical                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/06/04 07:11 PM

                                                                   duke needs to operate a drill press or a band saw, and cut things.


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                                          Yatta                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/07/04 01:09 AM

                                                                   I'd like to be able to punch through thinner walls and attack the enemy with my pistol through holes--
                                                                   and I want them to know I'm there on the other side of the wall!

                                                                   Also it would be cool if you could use pig cops as meat shields (or pork vests you could could call'em)
                                                                   in certain (but not all) situations.
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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Yatta]
                                                                       04/07/04 01:26 AM

                                                                   He should have a scene where he gets a one time dose of a super-stimulant, and for that entire level
                                                                   he is in bullet time, can run on walls, punch and thus explode baddies, run through walls, jump
                                                                   madness high, and run really fast.

                                                                   Then at the end he says, "Damn, that Z fighting is annoying" (read: reference to crappy graphics in
                                                                   Enter the Matrix)
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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       04/07/04 04:07 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           Doorlock + Bullet = NO MORE LOCK ON DOOR.
                                                                           I cannot open a cabnet door with a double barrel?? or RPG??


                                                                       Hehe, great idea, Hudson, that happened in Max Payne, where if you saw a padlock, you could
                                                                       shoot it away and gain access to the room. Who needs a skeleton key if a bullet is your REAL
                                                                       answer to opening a door, huh?
                                                                       On MY note now, another thing I'd like to see, I've seen this in other recent games, maybe you
                                                                       have too... Being able to lean around a door and toss a pipebomb into the room to blast away
                                                                       some aliens. RtCW is a prime example of this, using grenades to lob into the next room without
                                                                       anyone seeing you, then letting 'em have it! That was soooo sweet! Of course, it's moves like
                                                                       that which makes FPS games so realistic. Of course, for Duke, I'd say that this wouldn't be used
                                                                       for sneaking purposes, but it would be just as cool to please both those who play sneakily, and
                                                                       for those who barge into a room with open blazing guns. Just a suggestion, don't flame the
                                                                       messenger! Hehe...



                                                                   As far as I remember this could allready be done with the pipebomb in D3D. So it's notting new and
                                                                   most likely allready in. (I guess   )

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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: hell-angel]
                                                                       04/07/04 05:45 PM

                                                                   Well, I don't think that D3D had a true lean mode like you did in RtCW, though, you could look half-in,
                                                                   half-out of a room, but you couldn't lean over while still invisible to the enemy. That was the problem
                                                                   that I saw there. Same was true with Max Payne and MP2, I didn't see anything that made Max lean
                                                                   around to toss a grenade or Molotov at anyone.
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                                          Yatta                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       04/07/04 09:35 PM

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                                                                       He should have a scene where he gets a one time dose of a super-stimulant, and for that entire level
                                                                       he is in bullet time, can run on walls, punch and thus explode baddies...


                                                                   The part about punching through and exploding baddies would have people thinking it's a rip-off of
                                                                   DooM's Berserk Packs.

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                                          Michelangelo
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/22/04 01:25 AM



                                                                   Making ur own guns with nitro glicerine and gun powder combined with the shrink ray



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                                          Michelangelo
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
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                                                                   Making ur own guns with nitro glicerine and gun powder combined with the shrink ray



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                                          Michelangelo                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Michelangelo]
                                                                       04/22/04 01:29 AM


                                                                   Making a multi barrelled multi purpose gun with an underbarrelled harpoon and a double barrelled
                                                                   shotgun with a silencer


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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Michelangelo]
                                                                       04/22/04 01:32 AM

                                                                   This thread breaths life again.

                                                                   Of course DNF will be interactive! Haven't you heard of Duke's mighty thumb and the anal stimulation
                                                                   simulation?
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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Michelangelo]
                                                                       04/22/04 06:37 PM

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                                                                       Making ur own guns with nitro glicerine and gun powder combined with the shrink ray



                                                                   Uh, Mike, why'd you post this one twice?

                                                                   BTW, I see that making your own weapons would be great, but how about if Duke finds a box of
                                                                   matches and some gas cans lying around? That would be awesome as hell to see Duke splash a little
                                                                   gasoline over a room full of baddies, and lighting a match, and dashing into another room, that would
                                                                   be just...plain...AWESOME!

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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: 8IronBob]
                                                                       04/23/04 09:37 AM

                                                                   some more random ideas(which may have already been mentioned)


                                                                   -cook a meal! open the fridge, take out some meat, put it in a frying pan, put on the stove and cook it.

                                                                   -when you leave duke idle, he flips coins or you see his hands put a cigar up to the screen like he's
                                                                   smoking it.

                                                                   -when duke touches himself to check for wounds, you can see blood on his hands

                                                                   -3drealms headquarters. it just needs to be in-game.

                                                                   -sabotage enemy equipment like pulling wires out of a car engine or loosening bolts on an enemy
                                                                   airplane wing.

                                                                   -put vcr tapes in a player and watch them

                                                                   -invade a news studio to take out the alien scum. the cameras are rolling when duke does this. later in
                                                                   the game, duke watches tv and sees the footage!

                                                                   -if mailboxes or newspapers bins are destroyed, we must see papers and mail blowing down the
                                                                   street.
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                                                                       04/23/04 09:46 AM




                                                                   Kaiser, you're nuts.              These can't be done.




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                                          Worm                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/23/04 02:40 PM

                                                                   Damn this thread is realy big and im realy lazy so I dont read the whole thing and just post my
                                                                   gibberish. I hope at least not everything is already said before
                                                                   > Put metal in microwave, turn it on and it explodes after a few seconds hurting enemies. Put a bottle
                                                                   of booze or more in the wave too --> bigger explosion.
                                                                   > Shoot (or better open somehow) fuel-barrels and they flood the floor with fuel. Then lighten it up,
                                                                   perhaps by shooting at it.
                                                                   > Playermodel is affected by the game. E.g. Duke walks through fire and his shoes+pants become
                                                                   black. Then he leaves black footsteps for a while. Or he is too close to an explosion --> black face,
                                                                   lose some hair, shirt is ripped.
                                                                   > Change clothes, e.g. he finds a stylish suit and can wear it. Perhaps with the right clothes he can
                                                                   walk around unchallenged in some areas.
                                                                   > Duke-is-bored-animations: If Duke stands too long idle near
                                                                   - a potted plant he pees in it
                                                                   - a bathroom wall he paints or writes something on it
                                                                   - a whiskey bottle he takes a sip and start singing
                                                                   - some darts he throws them on a nearby dartboard. Perhaps he misses the board, breaks something
                                                                   and says "Oopsydaisy!"
                                                                   > RC-Cars (like in Shadow Warrior) but this time you can drive through the whole map + put
                                                                   pipebombs or so in it.
                                                                   > Parachutes so you can jump from big buildings.
                                                                   > If an enemy is flying around with a jetpack and he turns you his back it is possible to hit the jetpack
                                                                   causing it to malfunction. Then he flys around uncontrolled and fast like a ballon, hitting walls and
                                                                   stuff (witch hurts him) and after the JP is burned out he falls down. With luck he can survíve this. This
                                                                   is espacially fun in Multiplayer.
                                                                   > Blowtube with poisened darts causing an enemy to lurch + he cant aim properly for a while.
                                                                   > Strafejumps, rocket-, pipebombjumps.
                                                                   > Duke can Dance (like the charakters in World of Warcraft)
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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Worm]
                                                                       04/23/04 04:00 PM

                                                                   Real time 3D fluid simulation using the Navier-Stokes equations, for when Duke breaks the dam. The
                                                                   grid used for the simulation should be decently high-res, and after certain threasholds, spray and
                                                                   foam effects are added to the water surface. Of course the water is refracts lights and splits up the
                                                                   colours into the rainbow, like fresnel refraction but smoother and more accutate (i.e. not just RGB
                                                                   channels, but the whole raindow smoothly interpolated). When in the water, it is translucent in a
                                                                   volumetic fog kinda way, has particles floating around, and so-called god rays (those rays you see as
                                                                   light filters through the surface). All this must be rendered with HDR with light blooms, spherical
                                                                   harmonic lighting (I think that's the name), virtual and real displacement mapping, soft stencil
                                                                   shadows (two shadow volumes, in inner being totally black, fading to full light as you reach the outer
                                                                   volume), and depth of field blurring.

                                                                   Of course the water is fully phsically integrated into the world. bouyent object will float in it, it will
                                                                   knock stuff around, etc.

                                                                   Now that's something impossible. lol
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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       04/24/04 03:39 PM

                                                                   It's not impossible! It's a challenge

                                                                   (and very cool btw, I really want to see that!)
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                                          Generator                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                          Gamer                        04/24/04 03:43 PM

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                                                                       -3drealms headquarters. it just needs to be in-game.




                                                                   Hehe.
                                                                   Did you know that in DN3D, there was a 3D Realms Demolition Company or Construction Company or
                                                                   something like that? It was so cool, and then you go in the room, shoot a pig cop, and hit a button,
                                                                   and in front of you a building blows up via dinomite!

                                                                   Now THAT is interactivity. Though, you NEED to do that to get a yellow key card that you need to
                                                                   progress.
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                                          Haravikk                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Generator Gamer]
                                                                       04/26/04 10:18 AM


                                                                   Dude that was the second level entitled "The Red Light District", any Duke fan who got past the first
                                                                   level knows about that one


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                                          Tang Lung                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Haravikk]
                                                                       04/26/04 03:56 PM

                                                                   Just had a couple of insane idea's while eating a Kit Kat.

                                                                   Hoping that you can actually see your own hands interacting with objects...you could pick up a mirrow
                                                                   of piece of glass or some other reflective object and see yourself in it....however the twist is, the game
                                                                   could have some sort of Doom style damage effect, where you can see the cuts and scars on dukes
                                                                   face as he takes damage.

                                                                   Second one is if you could pick up almost anything and throw it, but the twist (again!) is that different
                                                                   objects that clash with other objects can produce different effects.

                                                                   e.g. throw a tv thats plugged into a socket in to a pool or waterdispenser and it electrocutes.........
                                                                   unscrew a gas canister, wait for the enemy to get near, then shoot or throw a match at it.........or
                                                                   shoot a petrol canister, pick it up and throw it, then shoot the ground where the petrol has leaked
                                                                   sending a trail of really really cool DX9 fire effects down the line until it blows up etc etc.
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                                          Warmaster129                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Tang Lung]
                                                                       04/26/04 04:10 PM

                                                                   What's neat to think about is where games will be in 25-50 years. After photorealism is mastered,
                                                                   incredible interactivity is what's needed, and the very things said here might make it in. Like, one
                                                                   level you might have to blow up some ship down in the harbor. Being on a tropical island with no
                                                                   guns, you hack down a couple of trees, lash them together into a raft, wait till night, sail over there
                                                                   and pour gas all over the place, set it alight and steal the speedboat with mounted machine gun ala
                                                                   Far Cry. Or you could sneak into the compound on the island, steal some dual miniguns ala Wolf3D,
                                                                   and fight your way to the Apache, and blow the hell out of the ship. Or, after you raft over (from the
                                                                   first method) kill everybody on the ship quietly and crash the tanker into the compound on the island.


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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Warmaster129]
                                                                       04/26/04 05:39 PM

                                                                   With games like that, story drivin games will be near impossible. Too much interactivity, and openness
                                                                   will break the structure of the story. In the style you mention, you would be given a set of objectives,
                                                                   and who cares how you do them, but you must do them to advance, sorta like 007 for N64.

                                                                   With story driven games, like RPGs and adventrure games, you need the limited interactivity and
                                                                   flexibility to keep the story on track. Of course, you can have branching aspects of it. Or I suppose, a
                                                                   set of story pieces that are brought together by the user's choices to create the game experiance. Of
                                                                   course, by then I supose we could go the whole way, and make a life simulator, where the sims
                                                                   remember you and react to you depending on your choices in a true lifelike manner. That would allow
                                                                   for infinate complexity and differentiation between each play of the game. However, now you just
                                                                   have a life sim, which is silly considering you can always just go outside for more of the same, except
                                                                   better quality.

                                                                   Overall, you need to either have the previously mentioned objecive based game, with story thrown in
                                                                   between, or you have some sort of decision tree system to control the story direction.

                                                                   Outside of that, it's just a life sim, and who needs another one of those.
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                                          SgtFly                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/26/04 07:35 PM

                                                                   The only thing I can think of is:
                                                                   I'd like to see Duke being able to pick up a cigar and smoke it , then flip the stub into a puddle of fuel
                                                                   or such and torch some baddies. He could watch them run around in flames or be nice and blast em.




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                                          Warmaster129                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       04/26/04 09:27 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       With games like that, story drivin games will be near impossible. Too much interactivity, and openness
                                                                       will break the structure of the story. In the style you mention, you would be given a set of objectives,
                                                                       and who cares how you do them, but you must do them to advance, sorta like 007 for N64.



                                                                   Ever played Far Cry? It basically usually gives you a tropical island full of mercenaries and tells you to
                                                                   get to the other side. That's what I was thinking with my 25-years model... give you an amazing
                                                                   enviorment and a goal for each level. For games like GTA though...


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                                          Reaper                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Warmaster129]
                                                                       04/26/04 09:52 PM

                                                                   Yah, but they've never made a FPS life-sim                   . Anyways, I doubt any 3drealms game would ever get
                                                                   that lame or boring.

                                                                   Oh: interactivity/humor: you try to use a couple objects from some random adventure game and the
                                                                   screen says: Thou seeth a flask. What art thou to do? (I don't really know this dialect, so forgive me)
                                                                   and you can type or maybe just choose between: get ye flask, or drink ye flask, or use ye flask as
                                                                   eyewash :P anyways, they'd have various comedic effects... I was just thinking about this type of
                                                                   thing as there hasn't really been any good text and visual style adventure games lately.... wishlist: 1.
                                                                   A good, 3d, halloween harry style adventure


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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Reaper]
                                                                       04/27/04 03:23 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       Yah, but they've never made a FPS life-sim . Anyways, I doubt any 3drealms game would ever get that
                                                                       lame or boring.




                                                                   I'ld buy it... if done right it could be interesting. They made the SIMs, a 2D life sim. (only with NO
                                                                   days off at all which sux, hmmm, maybe it is real)
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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       04/27/04 03:20 PM

                                                                   omg... Isn't one life enough trouble for you guys?!

                                                                   You're crazy, lol!

                                                                   Or maybe you want to replace your real life with a virtual one, like those Everquest freaks do.
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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       04/27/04 04:01 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       omg... Isn't one life enough trouble for you guys?!
                                                                       You're crazy, lol!
                                                                       Or maybe you want to replace your real life with a virtual one, like those Everquest freaks do.



                                                                   He, that's not a bad idea.. At least it can't be worse than it is now.




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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: hell-angel]
                                                                       04/27/04 05:55 PM

                                                                   Let's see, I don't think that D3D ever had this, but I'm hoping to see that when something drops in
                                                                   the water, and goes ker-plunk, including Duke, I want to hear a big splash and see ripples going
                                                                   through the water, even when Duke swims above the water surface, I'd like to see a water trail being
                                                                   made like when you swim, or little splashes. That would be a lot more realistic to see that happen.
                                                                   Unlike in Duke 3D, where you fall, or something falls into the water, well, you didn't see the splash,
                                                                   and the sound of something in the water didn't quite sound like a splash, either. The first game that
                                                                   was successful at this was probably something off the Quake engine, I forget the game that started
                                                                   with the realistic splash in the water bit. An Octabrain coming out of the water after Duke would be a
                                                                   bonus, too, which never happened in Duke 3D, either.
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                                          superbo3                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/28/04 11:19 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       JackInTheBox,
                                                                       "I just hope they have the same level (or more) interactivity that was present in Duke 3D"
                                                                       Well I can tell you this. We are way, way, way past the interactivity levels in Duke 3D. Both in volume
                                                                       of stuff you can do, and also in the detail of stuff you can do.




                                                                   oh god yes! im still amazed at the interactivity in duke3d , most games still lack stuff you could do in
                                                                   duke 3d

                                                                   i mean how many games even has mirrors?

                                                                   i can think of postal 2 at the moment it had mirrors

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                                          springfield                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/28/04 09:29 PM

                                                                   I've been coming to this forum for years but only signed up recently.

                                                                   I'd like the game to feel as real as possible as probably most of the people here. The first thing I
                                                                   would like to see has nothing to do with Duke interacting with something. During the daytime having
                                                                   clouds move across the sky and cast shadows as they move would be nice. Additionally, having the
                                                                   wind blow, be able to hear it and see it interact with palm trees, flags, and other things.

                                                                   Insects such as flies on pig cops buzzing around would also add to that level realism. What would
                                                                   pigs be without flies. Duke should be able to swat or squish them.


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                                          KyeMan                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       04/30/04 01:56 PM

                                                                   Personally, I think being able to interact with your weapons is one of the more important things.

                                                                   After becoming a fan of America's Army, another Unreal engine game, I see things like being able to
                                                                   switch fire modes on weapons, being able to time/cook off grenades and other explosive devices very
                                                                   important.
                                                                   Seems to add a bit more of a skill requirement to the game, rather than just firing off in a direction.


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                                          0marTheZealot                Re: Interactivity. [Re: KyeMan]
                                                                       04/30/04 05:57 PM

                                                                   There needs to be multiple reload animations.

                                                                   Adding two or three more is maybe a weeks worth but it adds so much, IMO at least.

                                                                   Also, having the player be a part of the world is great as well. For example, if you were near an
                                                                   explosion while reloading, you could drop your clip or something cool like that. Keep it single player
                                                                   only though. Things like that kind of ruin MP.
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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: 0marTheZealot]
                                                                       04/30/04 08:07 PM

                                                                   Multiple idle animations for each weapon.



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                                          Emultra                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/03/04 11:00 AM

                                                                   1. Shower faucet (cold, "damn, I really am that cool!").

                                                                   2. Classics, mirror, comment on appearance of self.
                                                                   Toilet, taking a whiz. Strippers, "wanna dance?".

                                                                   3. One-armed bandit, "cash in and check out".

                                                                   4. Pool table, "I still got the balls right".

                                                                   5. Nuclear hazard sign, "where've I seen that before?".

                                                                   6. Jukebox/mike, "booorn to be wiiild...the comeback!"

                                                                   7. Beer/liquor, "five of these and my...wits/problems...go/es down. Maybe next time".


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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Emultra]
                                                                       05/03/04 12:18 PM

                                                                   speaking of toilets, i wanna see huge logs in them.
                                                                   and when you flush the toilet, they're modeled correctly using the physics engine. some of them will
                                                                   fold up, some will break off and some will skid mark the sides on the way down.

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                                          Soilwork                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       05/03/04 12:34 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       speaking of toilets, i wanna see huge logs in them.
                                                                       and when you flush the toilet, they're modeled correctly using the physics engine. some of them will
                                                                       fold up, some will break off and some will skid mark the sides on the way down.



                                                                   Geez, c'mon! I'm eating here!



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                                          Anonymous                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/06/04 11:19 AM
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                                                                   if your online it could update sound and video samples to play on the radios tv's or even surf the web
                                                                   could even have a big slot machine or a group of them that keeps totaling up with every1 that does't
                                                                   win with a big payout "net interactive". lots of stuff like that would be cool. beat people up for money
                                                                   keycards sunglasses ect...


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                                          Mr.Tyro                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/09/04 10:04 PM

                                                                   Wow, been a long time since I've posted here. This thread caught my attention.

                                                                   I don't know if this has been mentioned or not...

                                                                   - specific guns that shoot thru certain walls/doors ala Half-Life/Counter-Strike. Adds alot to gameplay!


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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                                                       05/10/04 12:31 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       speaking of toilets, i wanna see huge logs in them.
                                                                       and when you flush the toilet, they're modeled correctly using the physics engine. some of them will
                                                                       fold up, some will break off and some will skid mark the sides on the way down.



                                                                   How about the log gets jammed in the toilet, it overflows filling the bathroom with water and Duke
                                                                   drowns? (like in Liesure Suit Larry, I loved that part, everyone's worst nightmare come true)

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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       05/10/04 03:11 PM

                                                                   It was my all-time ultimate childhood nightmare!

                                                                   how'd you know?
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                                          Areith                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Rider]
                                          Quadrant                     05/10/04 04:18 PM


                                                                   Jesus Christ... If this ALL is gonna be in DNF.. Then I am so gonna put that in my 'Most Wanted to
                                                                   Play' list. o_O
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                                                                   I seriously mean it, could someone please do this request? I'll reward them in any way!



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                                          bytraper                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Areith Quadrant]
                                                                       05/10/04 07:33 PM

                                                                   Hi, this is my first post.
                                                                   Ive been reading this forum for longer than i can remember and have read some great stuff.


                                                                   i'd like to be able to go to one of those old fortune teller arcade machines and have my future read
                                                                   (like tom hanks at the beginning of BIG)

                                                                   i'd like to draw be able to draw mustaches on people on posters/dead people

                                                                   i'd like to be able to collect rats, and release them all at once...

                                                                   i'd like to try and smoke a cigarette and find out its a joke cigarrete and have it blow up in my face
                                                                   with a witty comment on how smoking IS harmful to your health

                                                                   I'd like to step on an ants nest near an enemy and run back and watch while they pile onto the enemy
                                                                   while he dances around getting eaten to the bone

                                                                   I'd like a passing bird to crap on me followed by a witty comment

                                                                   I'd like that have one faulty bullet that goes really slow, that i could walk alongside and watch with a
                                                                   comment

                                                                   I'd like to see a karate movie on a tv and have the camera pan out and see duke doing some stylish
                                                                   moves with the classic kung fu whip and scream sounds

                                                                   I'd like to be able to pull out a electrical cord and if I do it right electrocute someone or if i do it wrong
                                                                   fry myself

                                                                   I'd like to see duke bend to pick something up and split his pants with a big ripping/with a comment &
                                                                   red face

                                                                   I'd like to walk into a room and see a siloette of someone doing something dirty with a witty comment
                                                                   only on further inpection to be doing something completely innocent with another witty comment

                                                                   While im running I'd like to see a snail/turtle outrun me followed by a witty comment

                                                                   I'd like to see a cameo duke from the original game walk past with a comment like "damn that guy is
                                                                   lookin good"

                                                                   I'd like to use wid cd's as weapons (thrown like ninja stars)

                                                                   I'd like to shoot a kangaroo that appears out of nowhere in the middle of a city and bounce down the
                                                                   road (who's never once thoght about shooting skippy?)

                                                                   I'd like to see an analog clock ticking away

                                                                   I'd like to see a version of "mother nukem"

                                                                   I'd like to see one of the strippers that is actually a man in drag that looks like a woman but has a
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                                                                   mans voice

                                                                   if i eat and eat and eat, i want to get fat & delevop a wind problem + excuse/comment whenever one
                                                                   gets ripped + alerts nearby people with the smell/noise (would be funny in a crowded elevator)

                                                                   I'd like to ask people meaningless questions and get responses (ie chicken and egg stuff)

                                                                   I'd like to be able to shoot letters out of a neon sign to make it say something else or a billboard with
                                                                   a computer control i can change

                                                                   if i keep shooting someone i want to see arms/legs come off and holes appear where i repeatedly shoot

                                                                   if i cheat to get all the weapons I want to actually see them all stuck to me (even if this means i cant
                                                                   see myself under the pile)

                                                                   I want to wear a batman suit and hear people laugh at a guy running in stockings and cape with
                                                                   maybe a batman tune

                                                                   I'd like to kill somebody at a drive through window after waiting too long for my food

                                                                   I'd like to be able to push someones head into the oven for a few seconds until the bell rings and pull
                                                                   them out to see a super tanned face

                                                                   If ive mentioned something that someone else already has, sorry.
                                                                   cheers


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                                          Mr.Tyro                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: bytraper]
                                                                       05/10/04 08:20 PM

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                                                                       I'd like to see one of the strippers that is actually a man in drag that looks like a woman but has a
                                                                       mans voice




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                                          The                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: Mr.Tyro]
                                          Phenomenon                   05/11/04 01:15 AM

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                                                                       Wow, been a long time since I've posted here. This thread caught my attention.
                                                                       I don't know if this has been mentioned or not...
                                                                       - specific guns that shoot thru certain walls/doors ala Half-Life/Counter-Strike. Adds alot to gameplay!



                                                                   That someone could shoot you through a brick wall with a friggin pistol in Counter-Strike just
                                                                   pissed me off to no end.

                                                                   Blow te wall away and then blow the guy away. You can't shoot through walls unless they're those
                                                                   thin dry walls you get in offices or made of wood.
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: The Phenomenon]
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                                                                       That someone could shoot you through a brick wall with a friggin pistol in Counter-Strike just
                                                                       pissed me off to no end. .


                                                                   Not to mention leaving no "mark" or hole at all.             ...I was beginning to think that I was the only
                                                                   person on the planet who was annoyed by that.

                                                                   Ooooh yeah, BTW, The Phenomenon...

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                                          C. M. Dratz                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Fragger00]
                                                                       05/13/04 01:25 PM

                                                                   Fragger00:
                                                                   Duke discovers an alien plan to destroy the dam in order to kill humans down stream as a tertiary
                                                                   distraction for their primary attack force. (The other two are small forces in Las Vegas, and Las
                                                                   Angeles.) Duke enters the alien control ship after having sent an evacuation message to the lower
                                                                   town on a mule. He then changes the in flight alien invasion force's landing coordinates from their
                                                                   spearhead lockdown in area 51 to just below the dam. Watch 'em flounder like the Egyptian chariots
                                                                   caught in the closing parted sea. Be able to drop depth charges to bust open forcibly submerged
                                                                   enemy ships, allowing their elite invasion force to be crushed by the rushing water. Scum and entrails
                                                                   floating to shore downstream as Duke descends to see if his mule bound message was received and
                                                                   heeded.
                                                                   Respectfully:
                                                                   C. M. Dratz


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                                          C. M. Dratz                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Brodieman]
                                                                       05/13/04 01:35 PM

                                                                   Brodieman:
                                                                   Be able to use the Translation tool to insult and taunt the aliens, hearing its instant translation to alien
                                                                   language as you talk.
                                                                   Respectfully:
                                                                   C. M. Dratz


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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: C. M. Dratz]
                                                                       05/14/04 12:04 PM

                                                                   -shrink a pig cop then throw him on a spider web and watch the spider eat him.

                                                                   -sabotage gas lines and when someone walks in the room, throw a match in there.

                                                                   -working washers and dryers

                                                                   -fly swatters

                                                                   -if a radio is playing, turn the knob for different stations

                                                                   -pop popcorn

                                                                   -throw a rope around an enemy's neck and then lasso it around a ceiling fan. put the ceiling fan on
                                                                   and watch it strangle the enemy. "need a breath of fresh air?"

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                                          0marTheZealot                Re: Interactivity. [Re: Night Hacker]
                                                                       05/14/04 01:36 PM

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                                                                           speaking of toilets, i wanna see huge logs in them.
                                                                           and when you flush the toilet, they're modeled correctly using the physics engine. some of them
                                                                           will fold up, some will break off and some will skid mark the sides on the way down.


                                                                       How about the log gets jammed in the toilet, it overflows filling the bathroom with water and
                                                                       Duke drowns? (like in Liesure Suit Larry, I loved that part, everyone's worst nightmare come
                                                                       true)



                                                                   This isn't Poop Simulator 2004. lol
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                                          HunterXray                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/14/04 03:32 PM

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                                                                       Microwave (fun/barely gameplay): Open it, turn it on. Put food in. Cook it for more health. Put a rat in
                                                                       it and nuke it.



                                                                   Or instead of a rat maybe put some contraption in there and make a bomb out of the thing.


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                                          Zerologix                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/15/04 07:36 PM

                                                                   Well, since I'm not sure if some parts of it will take place in space, alien worlds or what the story is,
                                                                   I'll just give my ideas for city levels.


                                                                   If the aliens/enemy are in the process of taking over an area:

                                                                   GAMEPLAY:
                                                                   Have the city look a little more like a city by having parked cars. There should be more NPC's walking
                                                                   around the world in the streets(or running/cowering in fear), this includes stray dogs. So when Duke
                                                                   is wandering around taking in the sites, NPC's may dart out of some building alerting Duke of an
                                                                   enemy's presence. You can also find out some info from them if you find them hiding as to where the
                                                                   enemy is. You can also see comical situations where the enemy is chasing after some poor sap and
                                                                   you can either take the opportunity to take the enemy out or sneak in to some area. As for the stray
                                                                   dogs, same thing, except you hear them whimpering or barking as some alien kicks it alerting you the
                                                                   enemy’s whereabouts. The dog can also follow Duke around and each time you press the 'use' key, he
                                                                   says something comical to shake him off. In some cases the dog can be used like a weapon where the

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                                                                   dog bites the ankle of the enemy temporarily making him unable to retaliate. You can also play fetch
                                                                   with enemy body parts and the dog can once in a while take a dump on the dead corpses or take a
                                                                   piss, you can call the dog Max.

                                                                   If enemy's have some sort of communication device have Duke be able to use it and listen to tactical
                                                                   info, when the enemy tries to contact the owner of the device and does not get a proper response, the
                                                                   frequency is changed and the device is rendered useless.

                                                                   Should be able to take out lights, or just turn them on and off.

                                                                   Should be able to shoot out power lines (near metallic objects, water) and use them like a weapon.

                                                                   Working fire alarms or sprinkler systems to throw guards off

                                                                   ENTERTAINMENT:

                                                                   -Strippers baby, and more of 'em!
                                                                   -You should be able to find an mp3 player somewhere and be able to play/upload your own music
                                                                   -There should be a computer where you can play the old school side scrolling duke nukem, or just a
                                                                   new "lost" level that when you finish playing it, a secret item is revealed
                                                                   -There should be a non-verbal taunt where duke gives the finger
                                                                   -should be able to use parked cars and joyride(can be used as a temporary weapon a la
                                                                   Carmageddon), at gas stations, when he's at the pump and sees the price, Duke say's "screw this, I'm
                                                                   walking"
                                                                   -should be able to use payphones and have fun chats with Caleb or Lo Wang, maybe make crank calls
                                                                   to enemy building taunting them to come out, when they do, you blast them.
                                                                   -Should be a memorial you can visit, with the names of every forum member as a token to our
                                                                   loyalty, or at least the names of the members you use ideas from. (Or have the names appear on a
                                                                   ticker, like those that display stock news, maybe the names should appear as graffiti on the walls
                                                                   throughout the city)
                                                                   -find E.T. in a space level and blast him
                                                                   -In Vegas sit in on a magic show and be a heckler




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                                                                                                                                "please god....let them use my ideas and put in some




                                                                   Strippers"
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                                          Brodieman                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: C. M. Dratz]
                                                                       05/16/04 09:34 AM

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                                                                       Brodieman:
                                                                       Be able to use the Translation tool to insult and taunt the aliens, hearing its instant translation to alien
                                                                       language as you talk.
                                                                       Respectfully:
                                                                       C. M. Dratz



                                                                   That's actually a better use for it then i suggested - kudos to you sir  I hope it is implemented - not
                                                                   for bragging rights but because i genuinely think it would be a rather cool thing to use.


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                                          Night Hacker                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: 0marTheZealot]
                                                                       05/16/04 06:57 PM

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                                                                       This isn't Poop Simulator 2004. lol



                                                                   LMAO!

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Zerologix]
                                                                       05/16/04 07:11 PM

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                                                                       -should be able to use payphones and have fun chats with Caleb or Lo Wang



                                                                   Haha, I can just imagine Wang "talking" on the phone the same way he makes prank calls.

                                                                   "Is your refrigerator running? WELL YOU BETTER GO AND CATCH IT HAHAHAHA!!!

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                                          BillyD                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       05/16/04 09:46 PM

                                                                   I did a quick search and didn't find anything on this. Something I really miss in games for the last few
                                                                   years are lights you can shoot out! Right now I dont have a single game installed where you can shoot
                                                                   out lights. I really miss the satisfying explosion of glass and the subsequent darkness of shooting
                                                                   lights. I really hope this is in DNF.


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                                          Phenomenon                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: BillyD]
                                                                       05/17/04 02:14 AM




                                                                   THIEF!!!
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                                          Neo                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: BillyD]
                                                                       05/17/04 05:56 AM

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                                                                       I did a quick search and didn't find anything on this. Something I really miss in games for the last few
                                                                       years are lights you can shoot out! Right now I dont have a single game installed where you can shoot
                                                                       out lights. I really miss the satisfying explosion of glass and the subsequent darkness of shooting lights.
                                                                       I really hope this is in DNF.




                                                                   did you actually miss Splinter Cell ?
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                                          Warmaster129                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Neo]
                                                                       05/17/04 06:39 AM

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                                                                           I did a quick search and didn't find anything on this. Something I really miss in games for the last
                                                                           few years are lights you can shoot out! Right now I dont have a single game installed where you
                                                                           can shoot out lights. I really miss the satisfying explosion of glass and the subsequent darkness of
                                                                           shooting lights. I really hope this is in DNF.


                                                                       did you actually miss Splinter Cell ?


                                                                   And Hitman 2?


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                                          Brodieman                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Warmaster129]
                                                                       05/17/04 09:09 AM

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                                                                           did you actually miss Splinter Cell ?

                                                                       And Hitman 2?



                                                                   And Angry Man vs the Light People of Elecky 5?




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                                          foos                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: Brodieman]
                                                                       05/17/04 06:47 PM

                                                                   if u shoot a rpg into a wall it should make a hole in it like on red faction


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                                          Hudson                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: foos]
                                                                       05/18/04 02:36 AM

                                                                   You know guys, don't build all your hype up over this thread.. things are kinda getting out of hand

                                                                   Just dont use this to weigh the game or anything 3DR releases will dissapoint you

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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Hudson]
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                                                                       I did a quick search and didn't find anything on this. Something I really miss in games for the last few
                                                                       years are lights you can shoot out! Right now I dont have a single game installed where you can shoot
                                                                       out lights. I really miss the satisfying explosion of glass and the subsequent darkness of shooting lights.
                                                                       I really hope this is in DNF.
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                                                                           did you actually miss Splinter Cell ?




                                                                   even Descent 2 had this, and that game is sooooo old (but fun            )

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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Rider]
                                                                       05/18/04 09:15 AM

                                                                   some more ideas:

                                                                   -fly a model airplane via remote control

                                                                   -have a working draw bridge

                                                                   -if you fire a rpg at a manhole cover, it will fly/come off.

                                                                   -while walking down the hall of a hotel, flip the "do not disturb" signs over on the door knobs. then
                                                                   watch as an octobrain knocks on the door and attacks the person.

                                                                   -if duke takes damage on his gun hand, you can see blood trickle out of the wound as you're playing.

                                                                   -working gym equipment. let's see how much duke can bench press!


                                                                   -swimming pool with high dive board! duke can go for a swim with the ladies and also show off his

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                                                                   impressive diving skills!
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                                          Woolf                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Hudson]
                                                                       05/19/04 03:12 AM

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                                                                       Just dont use this to weigh the game or anything 3DR releases will dissapoint you


                                                                   Agreed!

                                                                   It becomes ridiculous! It's enough interactivity here to fill 10 next Duke games!


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                                          mallow man                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Woolf]
                                                                       05/19/04 04:41 AM

                                                                   Ok I am a newbie, just forum wise though. I had to stop playing the first duke nukem - side scroller -
                                                                   when I was having nightmares with nothing but the bleep bleep bleep zhrcnnrrrr of zig zag green lazer
                                                                   fire   (I was 5)

                                                                   my list:

                                                                   1. Barrels with a variety of contents in levels, not just oh the red ones have TNT in them. Maybe ones
                                                                   with oil to make enemies slide on. if they were running towards you you could stylishly blow the side
                                                                   of the barrel fill the tiled floor with oil and headshot them only to see them all slide past you and
                                                                   create a pile against the wall         (this would look cool with ragdolls  )
                                                                   maybe one could have salt (kills slimy stuff like octabrains) or sodium hydroxide (turns skin to soap)
                                                                   or something in it just for a different effect than BOOM!

                                                                   2. Being able to shrink yourself - shoot against a mirror? then you could do cool stuff like explore the


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                                                                   inside of the pool table to get the money out, or go into a dolls house and explode out          when

                                                                   the effect wore off

                                                                   3. Lots more quips, I nearly died when Duke said his kickass/bubblegum one.

                                                                   4. Kicking people (bad people) downstairs, I just think that would be cool (probably too much time
                                                                   playing stair dismount (if you dont now what that is, google it))

                                                                   5. being able to slide down banisters to get somewhere quickly

                                                                   6. A nice familliar shotgun, not really interactivity, but if you get the shotgun right the rest of the
                                                                   game will follow IMO      people need a gun they can get comfortable with before they move on to the
                                                                   weird stuff

                                                                   7. Cameras that follow you, not just pan from side to side

                                                                   8. An xray gun/utility - would be cool for seeing what someone had eaten that day (little pointless I
                                                                   know)

                                                                   9. shooting neon signs to make sparks/ fall on guy's heads

                                                                   10. molotovs, nail bombs and napalm

                                                                   11. Computerised female voice instructor for a vehicle plenty of opportunity for humor/quips. "you are
                                                                   going too fast, apply the brake pedal NOW"

                                                                   12. a good melee weapon like a pitchfork or hammer, that you really feel is damaging the person you
                                                                   use it on. and has a predictable effect on inanimate objects

                                                                   13. Being able to use the shield (from the video) to deflect stuff like popcorn, steam, water spray (and
                                                                   bullets).

                                                                   14. put a smoke grenade in the ventilation system of a building to make the place all misty.

                                                                   15. A SETI screensaver on a computer with something that actually looks like alien signals like a smily
                                                                   face or "kill Duke Nukem" message

                                                                   16. Put some normal looking women/men in, they cant all look like strippers

                                                                   17. fireworks     especially if you could post them through letterboxes with enemies on the other side
                                                                   - just an alien scream and many flashes of bright light coming from the windows

                                                                   18. a tazer gun


                                                                   thats me done, some of these are quite impractical/stupid so don't take them too seriously
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                                          Thriller                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/19/04 06:46 AM

                                                                   Well, this is not much, but its something I would really like to see.


                                                                   Security cameras:

                                                                   * You should be able to move the view around with the mouse.

                                                                   * Maybe even move the actuall camera around along the walls of a corridor or something, if its
                                                                   attached to some kind of pipe.

                                                                   But most important:

                                                                   * You should be able to place your own security cameras ! Its probably mentioned somewhere before,
                                                                   but it would be amazing as an item next to the holoduke and such for dukematches.

                                                                   Imagine those 20 pipebombs and 10 trippmines you allways placed as a "nice suprise" to your fellow
                                                                   duker. Only this time you can be at the other side of the map, and still se the action!


                                                                   Btw, one more item:
                                                                   Some kind of device to locate the other player. Maybe something that can get stuck on a players feet
                                                                   when he walks over it. Take out your "locator" and you get these Aliens-like "beep"´s depending on
                                                                   how close your enemy is.
                                                                   Of course, if someone finds the thing before they step on it, they should be able to reverse it with a
                                                                   simple click on the "use" button and instead locate the other player. If you take it further, you might
                                                                   even let the player mess around with their find and make their enemies "locator" go crazy.

                                                                   ^ Maybe items a bit of topic, but the possibilities are endless.
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                                          Tang Lung                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Thriller]
                                                                       05/19/04 06:06 PM

                                                                   If you put food in the microwave or oven to heat it up and give you more health like mentioned...
                                                                   obviously you dont want it to take a realistic amount of time, so it should be 10 or so seconds.

                                                                   When it goes ping duke says ''Least I didnt have to wait too long for that!''
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                                          simondoo                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Thriller]
                                                                       05/19/04 06:57 PM

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                                                                       Well, this is not much, but its something I would really like to see.
                                                                       Some kind of device to locate the other player. Maybe something that can get stuck on a players feet
                                                                       when he walks over it. Take out your "locator" and you get these Aliens-like "beep"´s depending on
                                                                       how close your enemy is.
                                                                       Of course, if someone finds the thing before they step on it, they should be able to reverse it with a
                                                                       simple click on the "use" button and instead locate the other player. If you take it further, you might
                                                                       even let the player mess around with their find and make their enemies "locator" go crazy.
                                                                       ^ Maybe items a bit of topic, but the possibilities are endless.




                                                                   i like the idea alot espeshally if the MP maps are large plus if you turn it against them and use it to
                                                                   lure people into a trap

                                                                   some things id liek to see happen is fully destrucable areas like blowing holes in walls with exsplosives
                                                                   or just with a very big gun (it poribbly allready been posted     so dont smite me) somehtign else id
                                                                   like to see which i dunno if its been stated yet (i cant be botherd to read the whoel thread cause im
                                                                   lazy) is the ability to use stuff like microwaves and ovens as weapons liek smash the glass frunt of the
                                                                   microwave thow it on and watch it mess with stuff like inturnally frying people e.c.t and for the oven
                                                                   stuff if there gas ones throw it on and leave it and once a spark goes off near it boom the whoel place
                                                                   should go or have some kind of flame trail come off it


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                                          8IronBob                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Tang Lung]
                                                                       05/19/04 07:55 PM

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                                                                       If you put food in the microwave or oven to heat it up and give you more health like mentioned...
                                                                       obviously you dont want it to take a realistic amount of time, so it should be 10 or so seconds.
                                                                       When it goes ping duke says ''Least I didnt have to wait too long for that!''



                                                                   Yeah, either that or have Duke put a bottle of vodka or a Dukeweiser in the microwave, and when he
                                                                   pulls it out, it becomes a Molotov Cocktail, which he can lob right into a melee of alien @$$! HAHA,
                                                                   now THAT's interactivity! That's more realistic than MP/MP2, which had a Molotov, but how does he
                                                                   light it when you don't see Max Payne using a lighter at least? Here, if Duke microwaves a bottle of
                                                                   liquor, then you will have a more realistic fire set to the bottle, then KA-BOOM as Duke tosses it to the
                                                                   aliens. That would be sooo cool!

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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Tang Lung]
                                                                       05/19/04 08:11 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       If you put food in the microwave or oven to heat it up and give you more health like mentioned...
                                                                       obviously you dont want it to take a realistic amount of time, so it should be 10 or so seconds.
                                                                       When it goes ping duke says ''Least I didnt have to wait too long for that!''


                                                                   If Duke heats up a pizza, after it finishes and he pops open the microwave, he should immediately
                                                                   proclaim "It's done!"

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                                          The Doctor                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       05/21/04 04:37 AM

                                                                   When Duke turns on the microwave, the timer should say "WID"

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                                          CyTex                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: The Doctor]
                                                                       05/21/04 07:09 AM

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                                                                       When Duke turns on the microwave, the timer should say "WID"


                                                                   Best. Idea. Ever.

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                                          The                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: The Doctor]
                                          Phenomenon                   05/21/04 07:16 AM



                                                                   LOL!

                                                                   GOLD!
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                                          Beelze                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: The Doctor]
                                                                       05/21/04 07:59 AM

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                                                                       When Duke turns on the microwave, the timer should say "WID"



                                                                   Hopefully it won't take 7+ years to get the food done.

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                                                                   "In the meantime... this is where I get off." -- G-man (Half-Life 2)
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                                          DudeMiester                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Beelze]
                                                                       05/21/04 08:15 PM

                                                                   That could be the basis of the story. Duke puts in a microwavable dinner, and it says WID. 7 years
                                                                   later it's done, but while Duke was gone waiting for his food, the world has gone to chaos and Pig cops
                                                                   are everywhere.
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: DudeMiester]
                                                                       05/21/04 10:15 PM

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                                                                       That could be the basis of the story. Duke puts in a microwavable dinner, and it says WID. 7 years later
                                                                       it's done, but while Duke was gone waiting for his food, the world has gone to chaos and Pig cops are
                                                                       everywhere.


                                                                   Oooh ooh ooh! And right 2 seconds before the food is about to finally be done, a pig cop shoots the
                                                                   microwave, blowing it up! Duke will now never get the food, after waiting for it for 7 whole years!


                                                                   "Damn, those #$%@ING alien bastards are GONNA GODDAMN PAY for shooting up my
                                                                   microwave!!!!!! "



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                                          Imfamous                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       05/23/04 01:39 PM



                                                                   The ability to use any machinery you want. Example: you see a bulldozer, you can ride it.
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                                                                   Wiping the mess on his dirty sleeve he said, “That wasn’t half bad, schoolboy. Is that what the academy teaches you?”
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                                          Glop_dweller                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/24/04 01:01 AM


                                                                   I wanna Pee in the coffee machine!!

                                                                   ~and have NPCs react & be affected.

                                                                   (same thing goes for poisons and such)

                                                                   Seriously, being able to taint the guard house water cooler, or slip 'mickeys' would add to gameplay.

                                                                   If it affects Duke let it affect NPCs'
                                                                   (even the beneficial effects). It would be interesting to find a way to allow NPC's to use some of the
                                                                   power-ups in combat and still leave some for Duke.

                                                                   For instance (not that you would) putting Steroids in NPC's drinks would affect them same as it would
                                                                   with Duke.

                                                                   OH.. and about the phone numbers, Ya got ta be able ta call Jenny (867-5309) as it was written in
                                                                   Duke3d.
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                                          The                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                          Phenomenon                   05/24/04 01:15 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           That could be the basis of the story. Duke puts in a microwavable dinner, and it says WID. 7
                                                                           years later it's done, but while Duke was gone waiting for his food, the world has gone to chaos
                                                                           and Pig cops are everywhere.

                                                                       Oooh ooh ooh! And right 2 seconds before the food is about to finally be done, a pig cop shoots
                                                                       the microwave, blowing it up! Duke will now never get the food, after waiting for it for 7 whole
                                                                       years!
                                                                       "Damn, those #$%@ING alien bastards are GONNA GODDAMN PAY for shooting up my
                                                                       microwave!!!!!!             "

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                                                                   ROFL!!!

                                                                   Bastard Alien microwave haters!!!                       AAAARGHHJH!!!1!!1

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                                          Forrest Gump                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Glop_dweller]
                                                                       05/24/04 07:05 AM

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                                                                       I wanna Pee in the coffee machine!!


                                                                   Bad idea.

                                                                   DNF is NOT Postal 2 and I think 3DRealms wants "Teen" rating for Duke, not "Mature".

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                                          FireFly                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Forrest Gump]
                                                                       05/24/04 07:14 AM

                                                                   Actually, I seem to recall GB saying that they were going for mature, and that they didn't think it
                                                                   would affect their sales considering Half-Life was rated the same. Anyway, I don't think a teen rated
                                                                   game could quite capture the spirit of Duke.
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                                          Marty                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: CyTex]
                                                                       05/24/04 07:28 AM

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                                                                           When Duke turns on the microwave, the timer should say "WID"


                                                                       Best. Idea. Ever.


                                                                   true, would be nice to see that idea make it
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                                          thepineapplehead                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: mallow man]
                                                                           05/24/04 07:37 AM

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                                                                            Being able to shrink yourself - shoot against a mirror? then you could do cool stuff like explore the
                                                                            inside of the pool table to get the money out, or go into a dolls house and explode out when the
                                                                            effect wore off




                                                                        You do know that was possible in Duke3d, right?

                                                                        I want to be able to pick up barrels and throw them through windows.

                                                                        I want to be able to drive every car I see.

                                                                        I want every door I see to have something behind it. Locked? No problem, I'll just kick it down!

                                                                        Firing rockets and pipebombs should blow up everything. Craters should appear in walls and floors.

                                                                        I want to be able to shoot off enemy body parts like in SOF2.

                                                                        30+ different reload/idle animations for EVERY weapon.

                                                                        Anything that can be used as a weapon, WILL be used as a weapon. I'm talking steel chairs,
                                                                        brooms, doors, bits of glass, bins, car tyres, the lot.

                                                                        I want swords.

                                                                        I want ragdoll physics that allow me to throw enemies through doors and windows, and they don't
                                                                        die. I want a beatem up weapon selection, where I can kick the crap out of the aliens.

                                                                        I want to kill and enemy and NOT see their head/arm/leg go through a wall.

                                                                        I want blood that's NOT bright red.

                                                                        I want to be able to massacre innocent bystanders and watch them run for cover or fight back.

                                                                        I also want innocent bystanders to help fight, not just stand there and get eaten.

                                                                        Random celebrities appearing halfway through, who then get eaten by aliens. (And I mean real
                                                                        celebs, not some Big Brother rejects).

                                                                        I want to be able to access a computer and log on to the net, read my emails, post inforums, and
                                                                        maybe play a bit of CS while i'm at it. (Broadband required).

                                                                        Multiplayer.

                                                                        Millions of different weapons. I don't want 11 or so weapons in the enitre game, which every
                                                                        enemy has, or is found in gunshops.

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                                                                        Speaking of gunshops, I want a gunshop, where I can buy new guns.

                                                                        And how come the bosses get those fat ass lasers and crap? If I kill them, I want their guns!

                                                                        Bosses with realistic health. If I fire one rocket at an enemy, I don't expect a little bit of blood to
                                                                        appear, I want to blow off major limbs! Rocket in the eye! Pow! Blow your leg away! Pow!

                                                                        I want to fight God at the end.

                                                                        I want to go to a restaraunt, sit down, order a meal, and some wine, have a conversation with my
                                                                        friends, without the hassle of killing everything.

                                                                        I want it to accurately represent real life. I want to see dogs trying to hump my leg. I want cows in
                                                                        fields to crap everywhere. I want cars to backfire, I want a LADA! Yeah!

                                                                        And I also want random shit to just blow up. See a phone booth? Boom!

                                                                        I want it to rain cats and dogs. Real cats and dogs. All different. No two animals the same. With
                                                                        ragdoll physics.

                                                                        If I shoot an enemy off a tall building, I want to be able to shoot him on the way down, and watch
                                                                        his body fly around.

                                                                        I want a parachute.

                                                                        I want to be able to riddle dead bodies with bullets from my M60, and not have the body
                                                                        disappear.

                                                                        I want to be able to shoot bullets as they come towards me.

                                                                        I want to see a gangster.

                                                                        I want big ass shootouts, Matrix style.

                                                                        That's me done for now. I'll be back later with more.
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                                          TBZ                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: thepineapplehead]
                                                                       05/24/04 07:51 AM

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                                                                       I want it to rain cats and dogs. Real cats and dogs. All different. No two animals the same. With ragdoll
                                                                       physics.


                                                                   So when the rain stops you could blow all the little cats and dogs to pieces with pipebombs and
                                                                   rockets.. And make an evil laughter..

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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: thepineapplehead]
                                                                       05/24/04 07:53 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           Being able to shrink yourself - shoot against a mirror? then you could do cool stuff like explore the
                                                                           inside of the pool table to get the money out, or go into a dolls house and explode out when the
                                                                           effect wore off


                                                                       You do know that was possible in Duke3d, right?
                                                                       I want to be able to pick up barrels and throw them through windows.
                                                                       I want to be able to drive every car I see.
                                                                       I want every door I see to have something behind it. Locked? No problem, I'll just kick it down!
                                                                       Firing rockets and pipebombs should blow up everything. Craters should appear in walls and
                                                                       floors.
                                                                       I want to be able to shoot off enemy body parts like in SOF2.
                                                                       30+ different reload/idle animations for EVERY weapon.
                                                                       Anything that can be used as a weapon, WILL be used as a weapon. I'm talking steel chairs,
                                                                       brooms, doors, bits of glass, bins, car tyres, the lot.
                                                                       I want swords.
                                                                       I want ragdoll physics that allow me to throw enemies through doors and windows, and they
                                                                       don't die. I want a beatem up weapon selection, where I can kick the crap out of the aliens.
                                                                       I want to kill and enemy and NOT see their head/arm/leg go through a wall.
                                                                       I want blood that's NOT bright red.
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                                                                       I want to be able to massacre innocent bystanders and watch them run for cover or fight back.
                                                                       I also want innocent bystanders to help fight, not just stand there and get eaten.
                                                                       Random celebrities appearing halfway through, who then get eaten by aliens. (And I mean real
                                                                       celebs, not some Big Brother rejects).
                                                                       I want to be able to access a computer and log on to the net, read my emails, post inforums, and
                                                                       maybe play a bit of CS while i'm at it. (Broadband required).
                                                                       Multiplayer.
                                                                       Millions of different weapons. I don't want 11 or so weapons in the enitre game, which every
                                                                       enemy has, or is found in gunshops.
                                                                       Speaking of gunshops, I want a gunshop, where I can buy new guns.
                                                                       And how come the bosses get those fat ass lasers and crap? If I kill them, I want their guns!
                                                                       Bosses with realistic health. If I fire one rocket at an enemy, I don't expect a little bit of blood to
                                                                       appear, I want to blow off major limbs! Rocket in the eye! Pow! Blow your leg away! Pow!
                                                                       I want to fight God at the end.
                                                                       I want to go to a restaraunt, sit down, order a meal, and some wine, have a conversation with
                                                                       my friends, without the hassle of killing everything.
                                                                       I want it to accurately represent real life. I want to see dogs trying to hump my leg. I want cows
                                                                       in fields to crap everywhere. I want cars to backfire, I want a LADA! Yeah!
                                                                       And I also want random shit to just blow up. See a phone booth? Boom!
                                                                       I want it to rain cats and dogs. Real cats and dogs. All different. No two animals the same. With
                                                                       ragdoll physics.
                                                                       If I shoot an enemy off a tall building, I want to be able to shoot him on the way down, and
                                                                       watch his body fly around.
                                                                       I want a parachute.
                                                                       I want to be able to riddle dead bodies with bullets from my M60, and not have the body
                                                                       disappear.
                                                                       I want to be able to shoot bullets as they come towards me.
                                                                       I want to see a gangster.
                                                                       I want big ass shootouts, Matrix style.
                                                                       That's me done for now. I'll be back later with more.



                                                                   like i've said in the past, if duke fans ever developed dnf, it would never, ever get finished.

                                                                   and people rip 3dr for taking "too long"? we'd have this sucker in development for 30 years plus!

                                                                   seriously though pine-those are some really good ideas! i bet we see alot of what you just mentioned.


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                                          The                          Re: Interactivity. [Re: Forrest Gump]
                                          Phenomenon                   05/24/04 09:15 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           I wanna Pee in the coffee machine!!

                                                                       Bad idea.
                                                                       DNF is NOT Postal 2 and I think 3DRealms wants "Teen" rating for Duke, not "Mature".



                                                                   If this game is not Mature then the ratings are completely useless. Is it even possible for a FPS to not
                                                                   be Mature? Wanton violence and guts = mature rating, and who gives a damn? The point of a FPS is
                                                                   to kill loads upon loads of baddies.

                                                                   Do some poeple actually look at the ratings, I know I never have and never cared. In order for DNF to
                                                                   be a Teen game they will have to turn it into some gay Flower Power shooter.

                                                                   Now THAT would suck ass.
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                                          KaiserSoze                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: The Phenomenon]
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                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           Bad idea.
                                                                           DNF is NOT Postal 2 and I think 3DRealms wants "Teen" rating for Duke, not "Mature".

                                                                       If this game is not Mature then the ratings are completely useless. Is it even possible for a FPS
                                                                       to not be Mature? Wanton violence and guts = mature rating, and who gives a damn? The point
                                                                       of a FPS is to kill loads upon loads of baddies.
                                                                       Do some poeple actually look at the ratings, I know I never have and never cared. In order for
                                                                       DNF to be a Teen game they will have to turn it into some gay Flower Power shooter.
                                                                       Now THAT would suck ass.



                                                                   while we don't know a whole lot about dnf, i think it's safe to say with strippers and duke's course
                                                                   language from time to time, it'll get a "m" rating.

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                                          Forrest Gump                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: The Phenomenon]
                                                                       05/24/04 10:06 AM

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                                                                       Is it even possible for a FPS to not be Mature?


                                                                   Yes. If you kill aliens, not people

                                                                   P.S. I think this forum needs [offtopic] tag like some others

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                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: KaiserSoze]
                                          Phenomenon
                                                                       05/24/04 10:08 AM




                                                                   Alien guts for wallpaper is more than enough

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                                          Combat Chuck                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Forrest Gump]
                                                                       05/24/04 01:39 PM

                                                                   Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and Jedi Knight I and II are rated Teen, and they're FPS's where
                                                                   humans are killed. The main sticking point that would've made it mature is that there is no blood in
                                                                   any of the mentioned games.


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                                          Glop_dweller                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/24/04 09:50 PM




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                                                                   Drivable Harleys!


                                                                   Drivable Monster trucks!


                                                                   I always liked that you could pick up a severed Demon head in Shadow-warrior to shoot fire balls, so
                                                                   how about the ability to use the natural weapons of some alien enemies? You could have Duke Shoot
                                                                   off a cyborg's weapon arm and Use what's left of its blaster ammo 'til it runs out.

                                                                   How about...

                                                                   ~   working parking meters
                                                                   ~   liftable sewer gratings / lids
                                                                   ~   have master keys in hotels / apt. buildings
                                                                   ~   If there is an airport, you must be able to steal 747s'
                                                                   ~   Daily casino shows/ concerts (Pirate swords /cannons)

                                                                   Side note: Use one liners from Raw Deal and commando

                                                                   ~ Usable Cell-phone Mini-games { duke nukem 1 in LED}
                                                                   ~ Working Laundromats where Duke can hit on Chicks
                                                                   or wash away blood stains.
                                                                   ! Normal people should react to a Blood soaked
                                                                   Duke, same as they would anyone else carrying
                                                                   automatic weapons.
                                                                   ~ Zed's Pawn shop (with all amenities!!!)
                                                                   ~ a Zoo and all that it entails
                                                                   ~ Lo Wang's Dojo (train for enhanced HTH moves)

                                                                   Crazy stuff:
                                                                   ~ TVs' use real TV cards if in the host system! HA!
                                                                   Not likely...
                                                                   ~ MP3 folder in game directory for random Radio tunes.
                                                                   ~ Working combination Padlocks that can be guessed.
                                                                   ~ Random NON-Plot criminals with their own agenda's
                                                                   ~ Ahh my head hurts,.. I'm done.
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                                          archagon                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Glop_dweller]
                                                                       05/25/04 06:10 PM

                                                                   ...steal a 747?! You're nuts...I'm sure the game isn't expansive enough to match Flight Simulator's
                                                                   area...where on earth would you fly?!

                                                                   I've always wanted a Radiation gun...you know, one that, when you shoot at somebody, would mutate
                                                                   them and cause them to grow tentacles or blow up     Has that Duke feel to it, don't you think?

                                                                   Oh yes, and Cosmo should have a cameo...only fair that he gets repaid for letting Duke into his
                                                                   game...


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                                          Nessus                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: archagon]
                                                                       05/25/04 08:27 PM

                                                                   I want to see some ass jiggling technology. Everyone expects vertex shaded boobs but if girls had
                                                                   some ass jiggle that would be truely revolutionary.
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                                          Glop_dweller                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: archagon]
                                                                       05/26/04 02:24 PM




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                                                                       ...steal a 747?! You're nuts...I'm sure the game isn't expansive enough to match Flight Simulator's
                                                                       area...where on earth would you fly?!




                                                                   Are you kidding; That would be the best mini-game of all.

                                                                   Of course if it was too tall an order, you could always have Duke reply ~" No way I'm stealing THIS
                                                                   S##T "
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                                          Imfamous                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Glop_dweller]
                                                                       05/26/04 04:54 PM

                                                                   How about if you can trade in a vibrator for a Cheezy Gordita Crunch at Taco Bell! Now THAT'S
                                                                   interactivity!

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                                                                   Wiping the mess on his dirty sleeve he said, “That wasn’t half bad, schoolboy. Is that what the academy teaches you?”
                                                                   Arken replied with a grin. “I didn’t need the academy to throw that move.”



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                                          wadsy                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Imfamous]
                                                                       05/26/04 05:05 PM

                                                                   i would like to keep it simple instead of blowing up the vending machines i would like to use the
                                                                   mighty foot on the front of them and steal all the chocolate and drinks to replenish my health

                                                                   and a last but least a strip poker table, and if you loose on the table guns are taken away and win get
                                                                   naked strippers or perhaps some better guns


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                                          TheBoogieman
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: wadsy]
                                                                       05/27/04 02:52 PM




                                                                   hehe ... i realy like the idea of slapping an alien with a hot pizza from the microwave .... maybe also a
                                                                   thing for MP??        go, hit your enemy with a pizza to score




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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: TheBoogieman]
                                                                       05/27/04 03:55 PM

                                                                   "Pizzamatch"
                                                                   "Capture the Pizza"
                                                                   "Prevent the Pizza delivery kid from getting to the other development teams HQ"
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                                                                   I feel gay -- Fat John
                                                                   Me Tarzan. You train -- Waiter
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                                          TheBoogieman                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Rider]
                                                                       05/27/04 04:36 PM

                                                                   not realy THAT way ...
                                                                   more like a new kind of "last man standing" -

                                                                   duke is caught in a burgerstore and must defeat the others with pizza
                                                                   ... you´re running out of ammo, only mightyfod left - and a mightypizza to fry these bastards

                                                                   not only in MP ..... sure it would be fun to combine some stuff like mcguiver and his swiss knife. some
                                                                   mudd , a little bit of octobrain, a 9mm bullit .... voila! a deadly funny mine ...


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                                          AnimeG                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/28/04 12:16 AM

                                                                   Roll up window blinds.
                                                                   Pop the hood of a car.
                                                                   Unplug devices like TV, phone, etc.
                                                                   Mix drinks at a bar.
                                                                   Smoke and use ashtray.
                                                                   Dress up in a costume.
                                                                   Take a piss or shit anywhere.
                                                                   Write words in blood.
                                                                   Do exercises(pushups, situps, weight lifting).
                                                                   Throw a football.
                                                                   Pitch a baseball.
                                                                   Roll a bowling ball.
                                                                   Kick a soccer ball.
                                                                   Throw a frisbee.


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                                          Glop_dweller                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       05/29/04 12:08 AM

                                                                   Duke should be able to use the axe & hall fire-hose in hotels as a powerful, but restricted (tied to the
                                                                   wall) weapon; and maybe use the hose itself to rappel to lower floors.

                                                                   Also I kinda think Overchargable weapons are cool. Imagine seeing the plasma cannon from DNMP at
                                                                   work from 1st person view!

                                                                   And I still say Stealing a 747 wouldn't be too hard to portray; The gold would be to able to walk
                                                                   around in the plane while it moves.
                                                                   Nuts you say? I think n~... Well maybe.

                                                                   How about a Ken Silverman cameo
                                                                   (maybe in a theme-park labyrinth; heh heh)
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                                          Tang Lung                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Glop_dweller]
                                                                       05/29/04 02:29 PM

                                                                   I would also like to see physics and interactity used for gameplay purposes rather than asthetics. Best
                                                                   example of phyics use is the gravity gun from HL2....its giving a real purpose for physics in the game.
                                                                   I want to use objects to my advantage in-game like I would in the real world.

                                                                   Also, and this is something I would REALLY love to see, and I think it would make the game immensly
                                                                   more fun than any other.

                                                                   Okay we (just about) know the pinball machine is in it..if they add scores and things like that that
                                                                   would be great. But what I'd love to see is something like a pool table, which has scorekeeping and
                                                                   everything...but the twist is you can play it two player In single player, taking turns just like in the
                                                                   real life version.

                                                                   Basically I think the more *quality* minigames they have in there the better, Its an FPS, not a
                                                                   japanese RPG..but im sick of devs fearing to cross genres...we WANT lots of fun replayable mini
                                                                   games...games that are fun in real life.

                                                                   thank you

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                                          HunterXray                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Tang Lung]
                                                                       05/30/04 09:09 PM


                                                                   I'd like to be able to dig holes in the ground so I can bury pipe bombs.   Along comes some poor
                                                                   schmuch and BOOOOM!           Awww, didn't see that did he?


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                                          Michelangelo                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       06/01/04 12:05 AM

                                                                   What about operating a crane and destroy telephone lines, buildings and walls...

                                                                   Loading a chipmunk with tnt and letting him loose for fun

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                                          CyTex                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Michelangelo]
                                                                       06/01/04 06:24 AM

                                                                   I wanna Duke to be able to ride a donkey.
                                                                   Yeah I know, like *that's* ever gonna happen.
                                                                   When pigs fly with Jetpacks right?

                                                                   Actually, what I'd realy like to see is just that: Pigs with Jetpacks.
                                                                   And as long as I can feed Vitamin X to the donkey and see him go insane, i'm happy.
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                                          C. M. Dratz                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       06/07/04 11:01 PM

                                                                   George Broussard:
                                                                   1) Real Rocket Propelled Grenade Backdraft. (Moderately burn a player behind you; set fire to
                                                                   curtains; when one fires a rocket with one's back to a wall one loses a few health because of backdraft
                                                                   reflection.)
                                                                   Respectfully:
                                                                   C. M. Dratz


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                                          PanikSpreder                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       06/08/04 05:07 AM

                                                                   Here's my 50 cent:

                                                                   Fun:
                                                                   - SP/MP: When Duke is in idle mode he should check his current weapon and comment it. Like taking
                                                                   up the Rocket Launcher and point at a misc. button and say: "Hmmm... I wonder what this freaking
                                                                   button will do!"

                                                                   - SP/MP: Be able to play dead to surprise enemies/players! (of course he would still breathe and thats
                                                                   the get-away)

                                                                   - SP: The strippers should do various things when used (poll-dance, get down on knee, you name it
                                                                      )

                                                                   - SP: Use dead enemies as shield! Duke could use one arm to grab the bastard and have his gun in
                                                                   the other. Then of course the aim should be a little worse then normal taking the weight and balance
                                                                   into mind.

                                                                   Gameplay:
                                                                   - SP/MP: BOB should be an option (player-movement)

                                                                   - MP: When a player press the Stats key (current frags, deaths etc.) Duke should put his watch/clock
                                                                   up to the face and the interface should be put there. That way you can always see if someone is
                                                                   looking at stats.

                                                                   Will probally add more when it comes to mind

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                                          Needle                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: PanikSpreder]
                                                                       06/08/04 05:22 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       - SP/MP: When Duke is in idle mode he should check his current weapon and comment it. Like taking
                                                                       up the Rocket Launcher and point at a misc. button and say: "Hmmm... I wonder what this freaking
                                                                       button will do!"



                                                                        I like that. Funny idle animations are a must-have


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                                          wadsy                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Needle]
                                                                       06/10/04 01:00 AM

                                                                   do you know what i would like to see do you know that simpsons episode where homer and mardge
                                                                   goto the candy convention

                                                                   i would like to see a soda bomb ala duke style 100x bigger and 100* better beign able to get the
                                                                   candy from vending machines and soda from coke machines


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                                          Co11                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: wadsy]
                                                                       06/10/04 02:25 AM

                                                                   I'm definately all for a slot machine mini game...

                                                                   that'd be fun...

                                                                   people have mentioned computers that have interactivity... I've always enjoyed "day of the tentacle"
                                                                   where you hop down at the computer and play the game before that.. "maniac mansion"

                                                                   that was fun too...

                                                                   so, computers that have origional side scrollin' duke games on it


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                                          Alive                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: wadsy]
                                                                       06/10/04 04:08 AM

                                                                   I'd like to see a candy/flower/glitter cannon. Maybe some kind of general cannon that you can load
                                                                   with various things and shoot them all over the place.

                                                                   It shouldn't do much damage but add to gameplay somewhat. Maybe some NPCs start to collect candy
                                                                   or the glitter will cause damage to some electrics when shot into ventilation shafts.

                                                                   Or shoot a chicken with that which will fly like an arrow...


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                                          piano_man15                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: AnimeG]
                                                                       06/10/04 04:34 AM

                                                                   In response to AnimeG...

                                                                   'Write words in blood." - I'd see a psychiatrist             (Just kidding) but you know they'll never do it, pity.
                                                                   Thats what mods are for.

                                                                   Who knows. We'll find out whenever DNF is released. (in the next millenia)                - Just joking, but I can't
                                                                   honestly wait to play it.


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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: piano_man15]
                                                                       06/10/04 09:26 AM


                                                                   q Reading--- if you press the use button on a book or magazine, Duke could pick it up and read a
                                                                   sentence or so before tossing the book/magazine away with some funny comment.         For certain
                                                                   magazines, Duke'll only look at the pictures as opposed to reading anything.

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                                          Marty                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       06/10/04 09:33 AM


                                                                   or instead of just pissing in the toilet, he can take a dump, read a mag filled with sexy babes and
                                                                   guns... rip out a page and wipe his ass, flush.
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                                          Dr.Dude                      Re: Interactivity. [Re: Marty]
                                                                       06/10/04 09:44 AM

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                                                                       or instead of just pissing in the toilet, he can take a dump, read a mag filled with sexy babes and
                                                                       guns... rip out a page and wipe his ass, flush.


                                                                   Even better.

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                                          hfnl                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: Dr.Dude]
                                                                       06/10/04 03:20 PM

                                                                   I want a videocamera so that I can record things in-game, and then watch it IN-GAME on the camera
                                                                   LED. I also want the camera to have a zoom, and a infrared camera - so that the camera also makes a
                                                                   vital tool elsewhere in the game.
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                                          Areith                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: hfnl]
                                          Quadrant                     06/14/04 10:43 AM

                                                                   Gameplay.

                                                                   * Be able to go on telephones, type in the number and call someone (Either going to the phone,
                                                                   typing George's/Joe's number and start chatting with them.)

                                                                   * Rip any body part of a enemy, friend and throw them or use them for something else. (Blocking
                                                                   shutting doors.)

                                                                   * Able to push a self destruct button. >> (I hate timers in those kind of missions though.)

                                                                   * Character gags (Like the Doomed Space Marine).

                                                                   * Able to use a monitor and spy on whatever George and Joe are doing.

                                                                   Misc.

                                                                   * Rip off posters, draw something, program own game (Duke Nukem makin' his own game? Heh, I
                                                                   can see DN5 (c) Duke Nukem, in my mind already. o_O)

                                                                   * Brake objects such as ventilators and make some people mad.

                                                                   * Pickup a trash can and use it to pound an enemy when out of ammo. (Think of Duke using a trash
                                                                   can on a boss. O.o; )

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                                                                   * Able to use slot machines and do 'stuff'
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                                                                   Somebody make an Unlimited Ammo/Item trainer for Shadow Warrior or/and Duke Nukem 3d!...... Pretty please? ;_;

                                                                   I seriously mean it, could someone please do this request? I'll reward them in any way!


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                                          mr. moose                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Areith Quadrant]
                                                                       06/18/04 11:43 AM

                                                                   I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but it'd be great if the multiplayer maps were interactive
                                                                   too.

                                                                   Remember in Twisted Metal 2 how you could blow up the Eiffel Tower? I want stuff like that

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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: mr. moose]
                                                                       06/19/04 06:33 AM

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                                                                       I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but it'd be great if the multiplayer maps were interactive
                                                                       too.
                                                                       Remember in Twisted Metal 2 how you could blow up the Eiffel Tower? I want stuff like that



                                                                   I definitely want to blow up the eiffel tower. Even if it's a mini one in a casino. It's just for the idea
                                                                   you know

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                                          Alive                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: hell-angel]
                                                                       06/19/04 08:58 AM

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                                                                       I definitely want to blow up the eiffel tower. Even if it's a mini one in a casino. It's just for the idea you
                                                                       know



                                                                   Statue of Liberty, too. That one is also french.


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                                          Chetic                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: JackMeaph]
                                                                       06/19/04 10:06 AM


                                                                   Buttons! Lots of things with buttons!
                                                                   I promise it will be popular ^_^
                                                                   Like that coke vending machine

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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Alive]
                                                                       06/20/04 03:45 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           I definitely want to blow up the eiffel tower. Even if it's a mini one in a casino. It's just for the
                                                                           idea you know


                                                                       Statue of Liberty, too. That one is also french.



                                                                   Why don't we just shoot a nuke at french then.

                                                                   oh no... that would mean holland can get in trouble with the fall out.. hmm.. let's stick with the eifel
                                                                   tower and the statue of liberty than.

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                                          metalhos                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       06/20/04 11:39 AM

                                                                   may someone has post this idea before, but i'd like to have a reward for fragging-series (similar to ut)
                                                                   - which gives duke some money for later use...

                                                                   he can share it to the babes, then... the more money, the more he can reach here...

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                                          Micki!                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       06/21/04 10:57 AM

                                                                   Hey... I Wanna blow up every wall that can be blowed up in real life ( that means stone walls and
                                                                   ground or other stuff) just like in red faction... of course just MUCH MUCH better....(I like to blow
                                                                   things up)

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                                          0marTheZealot                Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       06/21/04 03:20 PM

                                                                   I'm not sure if I've said this before, buuuuut

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                                          crompton                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       06/22/04 01:37 AM

                                                                   DNF should have more action (and thats's promised ;-) we all know that U shall deliver the BEST

                                                                   ...coz after playing DNMP - it becomes kinda predictive shooting those stupid pig cops...they simply
                                                                   just stand there and shoot aimlessly.

                                                                   In DNF, Nukem should be in real tight situations facing some Intelligent cops/mutants (whatever) who
                                                                   should chase Nukem (or vice versa) ..Ya that would be FUN


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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: crompton]
                                                                       06/22/04 04:44 AM

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                                                                       In DNF, Nukem should be in real tight situations facing some Intelligent cops/mutants (whatever) who
                                                                       should chase Nukem (or vice versa) ..Ya that would be FUN



                                                                   Intelligen cops?? Are we living in the same world??
                                                                   Than they must be mutants...




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                                          Michelangelo                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: hell-angel]
                                                                       06/24/04 04:37 AM


                                                                   Duke should take charge of a robot production facility and use it to create an army of killer Duke
                                                                   obeying terminators


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                                          Micki!                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Michelangelo]
                                                                       06/30/04 09:55 AM


                                                                   I WANT TO DESTROY EVERYTHING!!!!
                                                                   EVERY BUILDING OR OTHER STUFF AND I WISH TO DESTROY MY ENEMIES COMPLETELY (only blood
                                                                   and gibs should remain)

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                                          Nessus                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/01/04 06:03 PM

                                                                   How about having some closets in the game with stuff in them that you can blow up and send flying.
                                                                   It would feel more real if a house had closets, I cant think of a game that has had them.
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                                          Micki!
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       07/02/04 11:44 AM



                                                                   Its important to have those nuke-like explosions like Duke Nukem3D.
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                                          Micki!
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       07/02/04 01:03 PM



                                                                   Will there be non linear weather effects in the game?
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                                          Fat John                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/02/04 03:23 PM

                                                                   Shit should blow up loads. But not like in DN3d. It was so annoying when you went to the women's
                                                                   toilets                and it exploded and you took damage. What I mean is that you should kind of go into

                                                                   self-parody sometimes, like milk trucks blowing up when they crash, etc. This is very funny when
                                                                   done in the Simpsons.
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                                          Gatinater                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Glop_dweller]
                                                                       07/03/04 02:15 AM

                                                                   Don't know if I mentioned this, but I want to see hands manipulate the enviorment. Such as turning
                                                                   door nobbs or putting his hands on objects when pushed. Pressing buttons or Use both hands to type.
                                                                   None of that press use and stuff happens crap.



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                                                                   and declared by several people throughout history.

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                                          Micki!
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gatinater]
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                                                                   I want that too!!
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                                          GryphonKlaw
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gatinater]
                                                                       07/03/04 12:14 PM



                                                                   Don't they show that happening in the E3 2001 video? I doubt they would take it out.
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                                          Gatinater                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: GryphonKlaw]
                                                                       07/03/04 02:08 PM

                                                                   Just on a vending machine. So are we to assume that his hands will manipulate everything?
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                                                                   " Keep your opinions and ideas to yourself unless you feel like wasting your time arguing." I imagine it has been realized
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                                          GryphonKlaw
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gatinater]
                                                                       07/03/04 02:28 PM



                                                                   No, it was also on a door keypad.
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                                          Micki!                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gatinater]
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                                                                   Maybe Duke will get his hands cut off if he interacts with some "BAD" Things                          that would be
                                                                   terrible!!
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                                          Gatinater                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/03/04 03:01 PM

                                                                   Such as " Uhh what's this" Then sticking his hand underneath a running lawn mower.
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                                          Micki!                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gatinater]
                                                                       07/03/04 03:35 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       Such as " Uhh what's this" Then sticking his hand underneath a running lawn mower.



                                                                   Yeah! or in an explosion.
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                                          Needle                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/04/04 06:18 AM


                                                                   How about the ability to mighty-kick stuff into enemies? Stuff like dirt(blinds), rocks(hurts), boxes
                                                                   (varies with content of box), buckets of green paint(paints green) or cats(angry cat in the
                                                                   face=*ouch*). This sure would be fun.


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                                          Micki!                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Needle]
                                                                       07/04/04 07:02 AM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       How about the ability to mighty-kick stuff into enemies? Stuff like dirt(blinds), rocks(hurts), boxes
                                                                       (varies with content of box), buckets of green paint(paints green) or cats(angry cat in the
                                                                       face=*ouch*). This sure would be fun.



                                                                   I like the "angry-cat-on-face" idea, that one MUST be in the game!

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                                          Micki!
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       07/04/04 01:18 PM



                                                                   Will DNF's FAQ soon be updated to v.3.00?
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                                          Orochi Avlis                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/04/04 01:28 PM

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                                                                       Will DNF's FAQ soon be updated to v.3.00?



                                                                   When they are closer to releasing DNF.
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                                          Lain                         Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/04/04 01:45 PM

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                                                                       Will DNF's FAQ soon be updated to v.3.00?




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                                          Evil_C                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/05/04 02:18 PM

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                                                                       Maybe Duke will get his hands cut off if he interacts with some "BAD" Things            that would be terrible!!



                                                                   I remember quite some time ago, George said it would be possible to shoot off appendages in DNF.
                                                                   What if the same thing applied to Duke as well? For instance if Duke had one of his legs shot off, he
                                                                   would have to hop around on his other foot making the screen "bounce" as well. It would slow down
                                                                   his speed and make it more difficult to aim. Or if his shooting hand or arm gets shot off, he would
                                                                   have to use his other hand which would respond/aim more slowly. I seriously doubt they would
                                                                   implement this sort of thing, but it would come across as a more interactive environment.


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                                          Micki!                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Evil_C]
                                                                       07/05/04 02:22 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                       I remember quite some time ago, George said it would be possible to shoot off appendages in DNF.
                                                                       What if the same thing applied to Duke as well? For instance if Duke had one of his legs shot off, he
                                                                       would have to hop around on his other foot making the screen "bounce" as well. It would slow down his
                                                                       speed and make it more difficult to aim. Or if his shooting hand or arm gets shot off, he would have to
                                                                       use his other hand which would respond/aim more slowly. I seriously doubt they would implement this
                                                                       sort of thing, but it would come across as a more interactive environment.



                                                                   if they do so, then it should only be in multiplayer! Right?
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                                          Zaarin                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/05/04 05:40 PM

                                                                       Quote:

                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           I remember quite some time ago, George said it would be possible to shoot off appendages in
                                                                           DNF. What if the same thing applied to Duke as well? For instance if Duke had one of his legs shot
                                                                           off, he would have to hop around on his other foot making the screen "bounce" as well. It would
                                                                           slow down his speed and make it more difficult to aim. Or if his shooting hand or arm gets shot
                                                                           off, he would have to use his other hand which would respond/aim more slowly. I seriously doubt
                                                                           they would implement this sort of thing, but it would come across as a more interactive
                                                                           environment.


                                                                       if they do so, then it should only be in multiplayer! Right?



                                                                   That would be very interesting!
                                                                   Eek! You shot my friggin leg off! Oh well, I might hop around...         This feature would sure as hell
                                                                   make multiplayer game more fun!

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                                          Fat John                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Zaarin]
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                                                                       This feature would sure as hell make multiplayer game more fun!



                                                                   If I had a leg shot off I would just find it irritating and pointless, going at a slower speed with less
                                                                   accuracy. I would only accept it if death was imminent after a major decapitation. I would think "I'm
                                                                   as good as dead, so I don't plan on going anywhere, I might as well go down fighting"
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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Fat John]
                                                                       07/05/04 05:56 PM

                                                                   might be cool in MP, but most definitly NOT in SP, I'd hate to finish DNF when I get my legs shot off in
                                                                   the first level

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                                          Major Lag
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Rider]
                                                                       07/05/04 06:00 PM



                                                                   Yeah I agree multiplayer would be less tedious then being at a final level and being to slow to avoid its
                                                                   firepower.



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                                          GryphonKlaw                  Re: Interactivity. [Re: Micki!]
                                                                       07/05/04 06:49 PM



                                                                   Haha! Eventually Duke will be reduced to look like the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy
                                                                   Grail"

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                                          St. Toxic                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: GryphonKlaw]
                                                                       07/05/04 07:01 PM

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                                                                       Haha! Eventually Duke will be reduced to look like the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy
                                                                       Grail"



                                                                   I can almost picture Duke screaming "I'm invincible!"
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                                          Rider                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: St. Toxic]
                                                                       07/06/04 03:52 AM

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                                                                       allright, let's call it a draw!



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                                          Micki!                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: GryphonKlaw]
                                                                       07/06/04 06:32 AM

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                                                                       Haha! Eventually Duke will be reduced to look like the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy
                                                                       Grail"



                                                                   Black knight: "hey where are you going?? come back, I'll bite you!!"

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                                          dogbreath                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: George Broussard]
                                                                       07/21/04 11:14 AM

                                                                   Here are a few ideas -

                                                                   ~ Duke sits on a toilet, takes a dump "Aaaahhhh! going down
                                                                   !" and it takes him down on an elevator to a nuclear bunker where he can guide nuclear weapons to
                                                                   their targets.
                                                                   Similar to the "Redeemer" in Unreal Tournament.

                                                                   ~ More flesh should be shown, a lot of interactivity with the strippers and a password to access the
                                                                   naughty stuff. In multiplayer mode Duke can date girls and take them to a hotel. The other player kills
                                                                   his girlfriend and he can get his revenge. There should be a feeling that Duke is out in the world and
                                                                   can blend in with a crowd like a hunt for osama.

                                                                   ~ In Multiplayer it would be good to have time out zones where you can play pool, go bowling , play
                                                                   soccer or other ball games ,work out at the gym and look more pumped afterwards, dive off a diving
                                                                   board play darts or a place where you can pick up almost harmless weapons like paintball guns which
                                                                   take off 1 point of energy per hit.

                                                                   ~ being able to take a speedboat to an island(Tropical) or fly a helicopter there and then defending it
                                                                   against the other player who is trying to get there by the same means. There needs to be a balance of
                                                                   visually relaxing environments (beach , tropical island etc ) and scary hostile environments.

                                                                   ~ Put mind controlling devices on aliens and control them so they can do the dirty work for you.

                                                                   ~ Inject the other player with a microchip via sniper rifle then track him using a sattelite system.

                                                                   ~ To be able to visit world locations by jet, france, america, iraq, japan, australia etc. and interact
                                                                   with people and clear out alien infestations.

                                                                   ~ Duke could walk into a shop and find clothes, hats to disguise himself.

                                                                   ~ A Jail setup would be humorous in a multiplayer game where you could shoot the other player or
                                                                   inject him so that he falls asleep and then drag him off to a cell for interrogation. He would lose all his
                                                                   weapons and you could torture him and insult him. Being able to "raise his middle finger" would be
                                                                   funny.

                                                                   ~ walking into peoples houses uninvited or invited getting different reactions from them. Entering
                                                                   shops, bars , restaurants receiving compliments or insults by people.

                                                                   ~ having a target practice area where you can scan the faces of people you dont like(boss, bastard,
                                                                   bitch, retard) and upload them onto targets.

                                                                   ~ Leisure Suit Larry interactivity.


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                                          Needle                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: dogbreath]
                                                                       07/21/04 11:36 AM

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                                                                       ~ A Jail setup would be humorous in a multiplayer game where you could shoot the other player or
                                                                       inject him so that he falls asleep and then drag him off to a cell for interrogation. He would lose all his
                                                                       weapons and you could torture him and insult him. Being able to "raise his middle finger" would be
                                                                       funny.



                                                                   This is disgusting.




                                                                   I LIKE IT!


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                                          Anonymous                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: JackMeaph]
                                                                       07/21/04 05:41 PM
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                                                                   What I would really like, is to have countless ways of killing and torturing enemies, something like Psi-
                                                                   Ops for xbox/ps2.

                                                                   I'd like to shoot the ceiling and let debris fall ontop of a pigcop to knock him out then grabbing his leg
                                                                   and crash him through a window just to hear a fun phrase from duke, lol...

                                                                   I'd like to be able to kick dead corpses and be able to pile them up and use them as cover, or maybe
                                                                   light them up, then put in a pipebomb and use them like a bio-frag-grenade-o-meat-on-fire.

                                                                   I'd like to be able to grab a bench or something, light it on, and throw it down some stairs and kill the
                                                                   baddies at the end.

                                                                   Just imagine the endless fun this could mean, it's infinite joy.

                                                                   oh, and don't forget beautiful dance routines for the hos, lol.

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                                          Warmaster129                 Re: Interactivity. [Re: ]
                                                                       07/21/04 05:55 PM

                                                                   There's only room for one Warmaster in these forums...
                                                                   DRAW!

                                                                   Just kidding. Welcome to 3DR!

                                                                   As to your post, I'd like to be able to pick up 90% of everything and be able to whack things with
                                                                   them, and be able to throw them.

                                                                   Like missles (if you don't have a RPG, no problem!) or grenades that have been thrown at you, or
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                                          Gatinater                    Re: Interactivity. [Re: ]
                                                                       07/22/04 07:53 PM

                                                                   So the cool thing today is torture. I remember back in the day when blowing enemies or corpses up
                                                                   was the cool thing. Time flys.

                                                                   As for interactivty.. This aint no sim.. bitch. If you want to see somone press butons or manipulate
                                                                   objects then go play with a calculator or turn a door knob.

                                                                   I'm making fun of the interaction hypocrites. Animations that they don't care to see makes a sim
                                                                   because button pressing is more important and acceptable. They rather take a few baby steps in stead
                                                                   of giant leap.
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                                                                   " Keep your opinions and ideas to yourself unless you feel like wasting your time arguing." I imagine it has been realized
                                                                   and declared by several people throughout history.

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                                          Fat John                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Gatinater]
                                                                       07/31/04 06:29 PM

                                                                   If you could get a can of Coke (coca cola) and open it, you could pour the liquid (or any liquid for that
                                                                   matter) into the vent of a computer. The computer would crash, vent smoke, and catch on fire. This
                                                                   could be useful for opening a door controlled by a computer, setting off sprinklers (with fire/smoke,
                                                                   surely you guys could use that for something).

                                                                   Also, as a piece of satire, pouring Coke into a plant pot could cause the plant to instantly shrivel and
                                                                   die.

                                                                   Oh, and you have to have laughing gas. That would be so much fun to use.
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                                          Needle                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Fat John]
                                                                       07/31/04 06:36 PM

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                                                                       (coca cola)


                                                                   Do you got paid for this?


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                                          Fat John                     Re: Interactivity. [Re: Needle]
                                                                       07/31/04 06:45 PM

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                                                                           Quote:

                                                                           (coca cola)

                                                                       Do you got paid for this?



                                                                   Lol, no. I didn't know if Americans say 'Coke'.

                                                                   However I must say that Pepsi Edge is easily the best cold beverage I have ever drunk. It's amazing
                                                                   that they managed to have 50% less fat and still keep the amazing flavour!
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                                                                   Edited by Fat John (07/31/04 06:54 PM)



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                                          Alive                        Re: Interactivity. [Re: Fat John]
                                                                       07/31/04 06:52 PM

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                                                                       However I must say that Pepsi Edge is easily the best cold beverage I have ever drunk. It's amazing
                                                                       that they managed to have just 50% fat and still keep the flavour!



                                                                   50% less FAT? I'd prefer molten fat-reduced butter.
                                                                   Edited by Alive (07/31/04 07:06 PM)


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                                          Fat John
                                                                       Re: Interactivity. [Re: Alive]
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                                          hell-angel                   Re: Interactivity. [Re: Fat John]
                                                                       08/01/04 04:35 AM

                                                                   I rather have Coca Cola then Pepsi Cola because Coca tastes better IMO..

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