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					                                  Medication Notes



                       Chat Group Health Notes
These are some of the notes we have collected from goat chat groups related to health
issues and treatments. We do not recommend any of them. We are only sharing what
we though may be useful information to consider when we have sick animals and
looking for some treatment considerations. All of these come from “The_Boer_Goat”
chat room on Yahoo. It is a good chat group for breeders to participate in and a wide
variety of information sources. It is up to the reader to decide what is right for their
environment.

                          Jack & Anita Mauldin’s Boer Goat
                               www.jackmauldin.com
                               jack@jackmauldin.com




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Chat Group Health Notes .................................................................................................... 1
  Abortion ......................................................................................................................... 4
  Anaphylactic Shock ...................................................................................................... 5
  Anaplasmosis ................................................................................................................. 5
  Ane mia ........................................................................................................................... 5
  B-12................................................................................................................................. 6
  Bloat................................................................................................................................ 7
  Bluetongue ..................................................................................................................... 8
  calf pac ........................................................................................................................... 9
  CD Antitoxin.................................................................................................................. 9
  CL ................................................................................................................................. 10
     Formalin Treatment................................................................................................... 10
  Clippers ........................................................................................................................ 11
  Coccidia........................................................................................................................ 11
  Coni’s Medication List ............................................................................................... 11
  Cracked Teats.............................................................................................................. 13
  Deworme rs ................................................................................................................... 14
     Copper Bolus............................................................................................................. 14
     Cydectin .................................................................................................................... 14
     Dectomax .................................................................................................................. 15
     Levimasole – Swine .................................................................................................. 16
     Prohibit...................................................................................................................... 16
     Quest Plus ................................................................................................................. 16
     RUMATEL GOAT & CATTLE WORMER -morantel tartrate............................. 17
     Synanthic................................................................................................................... 17
     Valbazen.................................................................................................................... 17
  Disinfecting Ground.................................................................................................... 18
  Dog Bites ...................................................................................................................... 18
  Dyne® Goat & Sheep.................................................................................................. 18
  E Coli ............................................................................................................................ 19
  Enterotoxe mia ............................................................................................................. 19
  Feed Mix....................................................................................................................... 21
  Fescue Hay ................................................................................................................... 22
  Floppy Kids Syndrom ................................................................................................. 22
  Gangreen Mastitis ....................................................................................................... 23
  Goat Polio..................................................................................................................... 24
  Hemorrhaging ............................................................................................................. 25
  Hoof Rot ....................................................................................................................... 26
  Immunity...................................................................................................................... 27
  Joint Ill/Navel Ill question .......................................................................................... 28
  Labor – Preventing Night Kidding............................................................................ 28
  Lactation ...................................................................................................................... 28
  Lice ............................................................................................................................... 28
  Maggots ........................................................................................................................ 29
  Magic and Revive Recipes .......................................................................................... 29



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mange around eyes...................................................................................................... 30
Mastitis ......................................................................................................................... 30
Milk Fever.................................................................................................................... 30
Milk Formula............................................................................................................... 30
Mites ............................................................................................................................. 31
Molasses ....................................................................................................................... 32
Overeating.................................................................................................................... 32
Pink Eye ....................................................................................................................... 33
Pneumonia ................................................................................................................... 33
Pregnancy Toxemia..................................................................................................... 34
Red Cell ........................................................................................................................ 36
Rumensin ..................................................................................................................... 36
Ringworms ................................................................................................................... 37
Synchronize does ......................................................................................................... 37
Scours ........................................................................................................................... 38
Sudan Poisoning .......................................................................................................... 40
Swollen Knee ............................................................................................................... 41
Tapeworms .................................................................................................................. 41
Tetanus ......................................................................................................................... 41
Thiamine dosing .......................................................................................................... 42
Urea – feed tag............................................................................................................. 43
Urea – feed tag............................................................................................................. 43
Tape Worms ................................................................................................................ 43
Urinary Calculi............................................................................................................ 43
Vaccines........................................................................................................................ 45
  CL.............................................................................................................................. 45
  Covexin 8 .................................................................................................................. 45
  Poly Serum ................................................................................................................ 45




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Abortion
    Yes, LA 200 is safe for pregnant does. The precaution comes from a warning for
    use in humans. Tetracycline drugs can cause yellowing of teeth in the unborn. In
    goats, it is used to stop an abortion storm caused by Chlamydia or Leptospirosis.
    You may prefer not to loose your pregnancies rather than worry about yellowed
    teeth.




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Anaphylactic Shock
         Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
         Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:38 pm (PDT)


         Most of the time you need epinephrine too, but Benadry l is always good to
         prevent the necessity of a second or even third injection of Epinep hrine. A
         bad reaction is always alleviated faster with Benadryl. 25 mg oral for small
         animals 50-7 5 mg for bigger ones. I use the liquid product for children
         because it is so easy to drench

Anaplasmosis
You need to treat ev ery day if you suspect Anaplasmosis. If you can't give
the Nuflor every day, you can put Terramycin in the water at 7 50mg -1 ,000
mg// doe or Aureomycin to top dress feed. Treat at least 5 days. Ev ery other
or every third day treatment does not work well in goats, as they tend to
relapse.

Anemia
Below are 3 emails Coni sent earlier in this post concerning this issue... I have never found red cell
without animal byproducts, but I did not really looked very hard since there were other easy
answers without the concerns...Sammie
(1 ) Re: red cell dosage
Molasses is great for anemia. Ferrodex can be used when there condition is
severe.
Coni Ross
(2) Re: red cell dosage
B1 2 injectable is v et rx. IT is the best for anemia. When the gut has injury
due to severe worm infestation, absorption is not as good.
Coni Ross
(3) Re: red cell dosage
Try using Ferrodex 1cc IM/100lbs body weight, and B12. B complex may help
with the appetite, but B12 is the v itamin needed to make red blood cells.
B1 2: Cy anocobalamine is the center of the molecular structure of the RBC.
Red cell does have a LOT of copper, If you have out a good mineral, you
could be overdosing with Red cell. Also, horse red cell is not used in
ruminants as it has blood products in it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:19 pm (PDT)


The reason to give B12 oral is that anemic goats from worm infestation, have
an injured gut. They absorb better if the B12 is given IM during the initial
phase of treatment.
B1 2 can be given oral ( injectable product) at the same rate:2cc/100lbs. I
mix it with Molasses 8 oz, and a scoop of Calf Pac, and enough water to get
it to go through a drench gun.


Posted by: "Dawn" kdsteward@earthlink.net thunder_sis
Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:38 am (PDT)


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We give the B12, b complex, iron, nutri drench that Don Johnson does
but we also add morlasses (a dry molasses supplement) from TSC. If
they need it, they'll eat it, if they don't they won't, kinda like
the loose minerals. Dawn(Tx)---
For severe cases of anemia, Ferrodex 100 by itself takes far too
long.I use the following, and it works, and still takes time.
1. Vit B12 injections SQ or IM 3cc per 100# for 2 weeks
2. Vit B Complex 8cc per 100# orally 2 weeks
3. Ferrodex 100 daily for 5 days 2cc per 100#
4. Goatade or Power Punch twice a day 20-30cc for several days.
Usually after three or four days they will look better, but do not
quit treatment too soon or you will get to start all over. Ten days
is the minimum, and some times I still had to start all over.
Don Johnson
Posted by: "James H Pickering" goatman542000@verizon.net goatman542000
Thu Dec 4, 2008 4:46 am (PST)


I use the 3000 and I give as much as 6ccs to mine when it's needed...seems to me 6cc of B1 2 and
30 cc of redcell everyother day for a week does better then a lower dose everyday




B-12
        Posted by: "rsfboers@consolidated.net" rsfboers@consolidated.net
        rsfboers
        Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:41 pm (PDT)

        There is a B12 tablet that is sublignal (dissolves under the tongue) that you can
        use on goats.....they come in different strengths......500 ml, 1000 ml, etc. They
        dissolve almost instantly and are very easy to use.

        Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net
        I don't use horse red cell, it has animal products in it, and is not
        approved for food animals. It also has way too much copper. I would use the
        red cell for ruminants.

        I prefer molasses: it works just as fast, has a lot of iron, and has all of
        the constituents for absorption. A lot of people don't understand why
        something so simple would work, but it does. It used to have the iron on the
        label, but the pharmaceutical companies got it taken off, as they considered
        it a big competitor for their drugs.

        Be sure to use B12 2cc IM at least once a week. B12 is the center of the
        molecular structure of the red blood cell, and red blood cells can't be made
        without it. Also, Calf Pac will help that digestive tract absorb better.


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Bloat
    Re: doe bloated - need advice
    Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
    Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:29 pm (PDT)

    I give Pepto because it is antacid, anti gas, and antibacterial ( the
    bismuth). 10cc of Penicillin oral ( to stop fermentation and gas production)
    and 5-7cc CD antitoxin. Phazyme or Gax X can be used too to alleviate gas.
    Mineral oil speeds it on it's way. Expect the goat to scour. After 24 hours
    restart the rumen with Calf Pac, and plain water. Offer plain grass hay for
    a couple of days until the gut stabilizes.

    Re: URGENT - buckling bloated on both sides - bad
    Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
    Wed Jun 4, 2008 12:09 pm (PDT)

    There is also the possibility that he has some scarring ( adhesions) from
    his infection, that are preventing the food from passing through the gut
    like it should or being absorbed like it should. He started off with
    Pneumonia, and the organisms that cause pneumonia can also cause organ
    damage, which is why we give Banamine at least once every 24 hours in the
    first 24-48 hours. Banamine is anti-endotoxin, which helps prevent damage
    to the organs by toxins produced by the bacteria.

    Liver damage from the endotoxins will cause a big belly from ascites (
    fluid) and failure to convert protein and other products in to glycogen,
    among other things.

    I would give him 10cc CD antitoxin, 10cc penicillin orally ,mixed with 30cc
    Peptobismol, 10cc SQ of penicillin.Give 10cc more of the CD antitoxin tonight.
    REpeat the SQ penicillin in the AM, and the CD antitoxin. Give him a dose of
    Live probiotics. Watch him, and if necessary, give more Pepto: It is antacid,
    antigas, and bacteriostatic. I would give the Penicillin for at least 3 days, and
    probiotic him for 5 days. 5 days after the last CD antitoxin, I would booster the
    CDT vaccine. I always suspect enterotoxemia when goats bloat, and if you treat
    for this, they usually recover. If the gas is bad, you can give Phazyme too. It is
    an anti gas product sold over the counter. You prick the capsule, and squeeze the
    liquid into the goat's mouth.

    From: "Anita Janes" <carpidiemgoats@gmail.com>


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     Subject: Re: Bloated Doe

     Most of the time, this is Enterotoxemia. I would give 30cc Pepto Bismol,
     and 10cc Penicillin orally to kill bacteria growing in the gut, then give 7cc SQ of
     penicillin (long acting type) and 7cc SQ of CD antitoxin. If you have any
     Banamine, I would give her .6cc IM to help with pain. Clostridial bacteria grow in
     the gut causing toxin, and gas production. These toxins will kill body organs, and
     gas forming in the rumen and small intestine causes acute pain. I treat as above as
     soon as possible. I repeat the CD antitoxin SQ in 8 hours or so, and the Pepto if
     needed. On day two, I repeat the SQ penicillin and CD antitoxin, and give a 1
     Tbs dose of Calf Pac to re start the gut with good bacteria. Usually by the
     morning of the second day, the goat is significantly better. Coni


Bluetongue
     Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net
     Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:23 pm (PST)
     Bluetongue is a viral infection spread mostly by stinging gnats. I is
     ubiquitous in the US. There is no cure. It kills cattle sometimes, and sheep
     most of the time. Goats can have it and be asymptomatic, but at times it
     affects their feet. The blood supply is affected, and the goat becomes lame.
     It can be only front feet, only back feet or all 4 feet. When I have seen
     it, the goat lives a relatively normal life, but will need hoof trimming,
     and more often. Until the old hoof is grown out, the hoof tissue will have
     old hemorrhages in it, and most people allow the hooves to get too long,
     because they think they have quicked the goat, when actually it is the old
     hemorrhages from the infection. The best thing is to sharpen those hoof
     trimmers, and keep the hooves as short as you can. The goat may be more or
     less crippled for the rest of it's life. I have seen goats do fine, and I
     have seen goats with feet so deformed that they never really got over it,
     and could not walk or move comfortably for the rest of their lives.

     There is a vaccine, but I have not read any studies on it's efficacy. If you
     live in a high rainfall area, there is always a risk.

Bottle Jaw
     Posted by: "johnsonboers" johnsonboers@yahoo.com johnsonboers
     Bottlejaw is a sign of severe anemia. And it isn't cured overnight. I lost a couple
     of good does when I first started raising Boers because I put them back in the
     pasture too soon.This is what I do:

            Vit B12 injection daily for two weeks-2 to 3 cc per 100#, IM or SQ.
            Fortified B Complex orally- 6 to 8cc per 100#
            Ferrodex 100 iron injections for the first 5 days- 2cc per 100# 4.20 to 30
             cc of Goatade or Nutri-drench twice a day for several days.



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       It takes a long time for the goat to recover from anemia. I usually doctor for a
       minium of ten days. Quit too soon, and you get to start all over. I had my last
       case over a year ago. It is a whole lot better to prevent than to have to go through
       the process of curing them.


Broken Leg
Posted by: "Barbara Howard" jamesa@mrtc.com goatlady431
Get the insulation that goes around water pipe put a layer of gauze cloth around it first the
slip the leg into the slit of the insulation pipe and wrap it with vet wrap it works great you
don't have to pad with it.


calf pac

       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
       Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:44 am (PDT)
       You have to order Calf Pac. there are several sources: one is CEE Sales
       800-851-3170.


CD Antitoxin
From: "Coni Ross" c rranch@texas.net
5-7cc of CD antitoxin is the treatment dose. The dose for prevention that I use is 2cc, as
the kids are not sick. Coni
From: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Subject: CD antitoxin/Vaccine
First, CD antitoxin contains antibodies to Enterotoxemia types C and D., and
this is temporary immunity.When you vaccinate,( CDT Toxoid) the vaccine causes the
body's immune system to produce antibodies against the "attacker", the vaccine. The
body does not know the vaccine is killed, thus makes antibodies to fight the bacteria. So,
vaccine does not work to treat disease, it is a preventative which must be given to a
healthy animal in order for the immune system to respond at it's best. Do not vaccinate
sick animals. Any antitoxin: CD antitoxin, Tetanus antitoxin, Polyserum and Bovi sera,
are only antibodies to the diseases listed on the bottle. Thus, these products have
antibodies that destroy toxins produced by bacteria, and provide temporary immunity.
They do not provide immunity for more than 10-14 days. It is called Passive immunity.
Bovi Sera, and Polyserum are from super stimulated feed lot cattle, and even though they
are stimulated for what is on the label, they are also vaccinated for Clostridial infections,
and are exposed to many other organisms that are also in the antibody product though not
listed. They are exposed to Strep, Staph, and a multitude of other things in that
environment. CD antitoxin is antibodies only: temporary. CDT Toxoid vaccine that
provides stimulation to the immune system to make antibodies: Long term immunity.




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CL
     Posted by: "Running RR Ranch" runningrrranch@wildblue.net

      I was treating with formalin. It is a time proven safe treatment that will effectively
     control the spread of CL within the herd. Formalin is a saturated solution of
     Formaldehyde in water and is not a carcinogen! Formaldehyde is a gas and is considered
     a possible carcinogen when inhaled. Formalin is used as a preserv ative in many vaccines,
     possibly the CL v accines you speak of.


Formalin Treatment

     Injecting formalin into a CL abscess requires the use of a Luer -lock syringe (so the needle
     does not slip off the syringe, back-spray ing formalin), a 25 -gauge needle (the v ery small
     size used for dogs and cats), disposable gloves, paper towels, eye goggles, and a strong
     person to hold the goat very still. The small-diameter needle is necessary because
     formalin is the consistency of water, so it runs out easily if larger-gauge needles are used.
     (The higher the gauge number, the smaller the diameter of needle.) Think of the abscess
     as a clock face and inject downward into the knot at 12:00 o'clock (when the goat is in an
     upright position) as close to the goat's body as possible but stay inside the abscess. Avoid
     veins, arteries, and nerve endings; formalin injected into the goat's body will kill or cause
     nerve paraly sis. On a small knot that is about the size of a dime or a nic kel, start with 1 /2
     cc formalin. For larger knots, use 1 cc to 3 cc. Using too much formalin can result in tissue
     swelling both at and surrounding the injection site. Hold a paper towel lightly ov er the
     injection site when the needle is removed to stop the fluid from running out, much like a
     lab technician does when blood is drawn from a human arm. Too much pressure will
     cause the fluid to run out of the abscess. The producer may have to inject formalin a
     second time, several days later, if the knot has not hardened. The goal is a hard
     ('embalmed') knot. This means that sufficient formalin has gotten inside the abscess and
     mix ed with the pus. Be careful when re-injecting a partially -hardened knot; the formalin
     may blow back if the plunger is unable to push it into the hardened abscess. If formalin
     does get onto skin or into eyes, generously flush with clear water and there should be no
     adverse reaction. Formalin was used as a fresh-milk preserv ative in the early 1900's;
     generations of Americans consumed it, so don't be overly concerned if it gets on skin or in
     eyes. Flush well with water. Formalin is currently used in multiple consumer products as
     a preservative.

     Chest abscesses seem to be the hardest to control with formalin, since the chest wall
     allows space for huge knots to develop. In such instances, the producer must use several
     cc's of formalin over a period of multiple day s to make sure that the abscess is fully
     saturated with the product. In cases of very large orange - or grapefruit-sized abscesses,
     lancing and cleaning the abscess may be necessary; sufficient amounts of formalin are
     difficult to diffuse throughout such large abscesses.

     After four to six weeks (sometimes longer), the abscess begins to shrivel and dry up and
     then peel off, much like a corn on your foot to which you'v e applied corn remover. This
     'embalmed' material should not be infectious if treatment has been done properly.

     The plus side of using formalin to manage CL abscesses is no ex posure of the bacteria to
     either the env ironment or other goats, no long-term isolation of the treated animals, and
     less stress on the producer.

     The negatives include off-label usage and the possible objection of some people to this
     application.



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        Each producer must do his own due diligience and decide wh ich course of action to follow
        when dealing with Caseous Ly mphadenitis. It is this writer's opinion that unless goat
        breeders want to continue destroying animals and incurring the financial losses that such
        decisions bring, then we all had better learn how to manage and control Caseous
        Lymphadenitis when it appears in our herds.




Clippers
        Re: Clippers????
        Posted by: "Robin L Walters" barnone@gvec.net

        Laube clippers has the most power. If you ever get a chance to hold the
        lightening clippers there is nothing lighter weight on the market - even the
        cordless, but they are pricey. Now the original Laube clippers were
        heavier, they are the old workhorses of the clipper world, I hav e seen
        several 10 y ears old (including mine) that are still working well - despite
        being dropped, kicked, thrown, etc. Drawbacks - hard to find folks to
        work on them. If I have trouble with a pair (I own several of different
        makes, models & brands) they get shipped straight to Fort Worth Shav er -
        they have no problem working on them or getting parts. Check around some
        times you can get a used pair for the

        Andis - they are your best bang for the $125 clippers. Power wise they put
        the Oster A5's to shame.

        Blades - Andis makes a T blade if you are going to slick shear with small
        clippers - like it better than the power groom type wide blades. Blocking
        blades are pretty cool, but you better know what to do with them. Usually
        you can get by with one of two sizes of blades & a set of combs. Keep your
        blades well oiled and they will last longer. I like the ceramic, they stay
        a little cooler, thus sharper longer.

Coccidia
        Posted by: "johnsonboers" johnsonboers@yahoo.com johnsonboers
        Dimethox (sp?) in the gallon jug is best. Just draw out dosage in a syringe and give orally for
        several days. No muss, no fuss, and works well. I think it is in the same fa mily with the other sulfa
        drugs.

Coni’s Medication List
Here is Coni's list of medicines, v itamins, and supplies and also a
list of Suppliers for you new goat breeders:
 Keep in mind that most of these products are off label for goats,
but work effectively to prevent or treat.
      Drench gun: I recommend the Ideal 50cc Megashot syringe with the
          glass barrel: get the drench tip too, it can be used for drenching
          wormer, medication, or probiotics.



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        Wormers: Cydectin (cattle pour on to be given orally at 1cc/2 0
        lbs body weight)
        Ivomec cattle injectable 2cc/100lbs orally
        Sy nanthic cattle drench: 2.5cc/100 lbs is label,
        it is best if double or triple dosed to kill tape worms.
        De-lousers: I use Cy lence cattle pour on in a stripe down the top
        line: kids 2cc, 50-100lbs 4cc, and over 100lbs 6cc. Very large bucks
        8cc.
       V accines: I use Covex in 8 for the Clostridial diseases. 3cc SQ
        first dose, and 2cc Sq in 21 day s, then once annually.
        Super Poly Bac B Somnus for pneumonia prevention: This is a cattle vaccine, a nd is a 1cc
        dose SQ for goats, repeat in 14-21 days. It works wonders to protect Against
        Pasturella hemoly tica, Multocida, and A6, Haemophilus Somnus, and
        Samonella.
        CL v accine: There are two types. The Casebac from Colorado Serum Co., The autogenous
        from various laboratories. The one I use is from Nov ardis (used to be Grand labs). This
        vaccine should always be giv en SQ.
       Soremouth: I use the one from the Tex as A&M Ex periment Station in Sonora, Tex as.
        They add new variants to it all the time, when break ov er occurs, and thus this is a very
        good vaccine.

Drugs to have on hand for emergencies

Some of these drugs are av ailable through your
veterinarian only.
      Long acting Penicillin: OTC
      Banamine: RX- smooth muscle relax ant, helps with pain, fever, resp iratory distress, it is
        anti-prostaglandin (helps prevent loss of pregnancy due to injury or stress)
      antiendotox in ( helps to prevent organ damage due to tox ins produced
        by infectious organisms)
      Nuflor: RX.: Drug of choice for pneumonia. 6cc SQ/100 lbs loading dose, followed by
        3cc/100lbs SQ per day for 4 days minimum. Cattle regime does not work well on goats.
        They relapse and die.
V itamins:
      Thiamin: V itamin B1 , Rx, used to treat and prev ent Polio. Any infection can precipitate
        death of rumen and small intestine organisms that produce all B complex vitamins.
        Pathogenic organism overgrowth can occur precipitating polio. I prefer the 500 mg/ml
        Thiamin injectable.
      V itamin B1 2 Cy anocobalamine: used to treat anemia, appetite stimulant
      B Complex v itamins: Used for stress and appetite loss due to illness
      V itamin AD&E injectable- Used to combat deficiency due to drought. Goats Do not carry
        a pregnancy well, lactate well, and tend to have retained placentas when there is v it.
        A.deficiency. Alfalfa can be supplemented to augment the condition,
        but often ADE injection 2cc IM or SQ will speed up the process. The
        usual source of v itamin A is green forage free choice mineral should
        be available at all times with a 2:1 Calcium Phosphorous balance.

       Mineral should contain all trace minerals av ailable.
       Selenim deficiency : Selenim products: Rx ,
        MuSE, BoSE




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     Polyserum: OTC This is antibodies to Actinomyces Pyogenes, P. Hemolytica, P.
      multocida, Samonella, and E Coli.: Passive immunity to these diseases during illness or
      injury.
      CD antitox in- Treatment for Enterotox emia types
      C&D Tetanus antitox in: Used to prevent Tetanus in wounded, castrated, or dehorned
      animals.
      Pepto Bismol-Antacid, anti-gas, antibacterial: used to treat bloat which is usually
      Enterotoxemia.It is also used in scours to help prevent dehydration.
     7 % Iodine-treat, disinfect wounds
      Scarlet oil-antibacterial, keeps flies off
      wounds
      Furacin ointment- to dip ear tags in to prevent infection at application.
     Wound Kote-Wound spray that seals wounds to moisture and contamination.
     Listerine: used to clean skin for injection, to clean eyes of pus from Pinkeye. Used as
      general disinfectant, much better than alcohol.
     Vet Wrap: used to cover wounds
      3cc syringes
     12cc syringes
     1 8 gauge needles ½"or ¾" long
     20 gauge needles ½" or 3/8" inches long
      feeding tube
      60cc syringe with irrigation tip
     50% Dex trose-OTC for use in pregnancy toxemia and to make Rev ive
     Amino Acid Solution (not the concentrate) OTC ingredient in Rev ive
      Cal-Dex : A dextrose product with calcium used in preg. Toxemia, or milk fever.
      Calf Pac-liv e probiotic product in powder form t hat has 5 live organisms and will keep
      without refrigeration.


Cracked Teats
      Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
      Most likely, those kids are trying to push each other off the teat, and the one that
      is on is holding on with it's teeth. I would put an ointment on the teats, and pen
      the kids away from her, allowing them to nurse 2-3 tims/day. Mark them, so that
      you know that today, 1 and 2 get to nurse first, then next time 2&3 get to nurse
      first. This is actually pretty common in a two teated doe with greedy/hungry kids.
      Increase her feed, and her alfalfa, so that she makes more milk.

Deer Meningeal worm
      Here is Coni's treatment:
      The treatment is 2cc/100lbs of Ivomec or Dectomax per day injected for 7 days. I
      would give Dexamethasone 4-6 mg/day to help reduce tissue irritation from dead
      worms, and Penicillin 7-10cc SQ every day because of the Dexamethasone. You
      could probably give either Ivomec or Dectomax oral and do it just as well. In fact,
      I think serum levels stay up longer given orally, but you have to give the first
      several days SQ.



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    Supportive treatment: keep the animal turned to prevent skin damage, and
    pressure sores
    From Barbara Howard:
    I have treated a lot of Menningeal Worm it most often starts with an
    Open lesion that they chew at down to the blood and then the weakness.
    One thing I have noticed is they just like normal. A blood test or fecal test won't
    show it you have to have a spinal tap done.
    I give 1cc/20 lbs orally of Ivomec injectable for 3 days in a row. Then on the
    fourth day start Saveguard 8cc/100 lbs orally for 4 days in a row, I also give
    3cc/100 lbs of Dexamethazone sq for 3 days then 2cc/100 lbs for 2 days then
    1cc/100 lbs for 1 day then 1/2cc for 1 day then stop. I give liquid childrens
    Benadryl orally 10cc/100 lbs until treatment is done this helps control the intense
    itching.
    Posted by: "Boer N Ranch" Yahoo_Groups@BoerNranch.com boernranch
    As per the University of Missouri:
    The only Cure for Menengial Worm is:"Quest Jel" which is a Horse Wormer.
    1st Dosage is 3 Times the Labels recommended weight 2nd thru 6th Days -
    Dosage is as per Label recommended weight.This will kill the Worm although
    there is no reversal for the damage the worm has done.



Dewormers
    Copper Bolus

    From: FourtsRanch05@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: Copper Question
    I worm 3 times a year regardless and I give my goats copper boluses every 5
    months. They cant get enough from the minerals especially if you live in a copper
    deficient area. Worms and Copper deficiency go hand in hand but It is still better
    to be safe than sorry. I buy my boluses from jeffers and I give adults the 12.5
    gram bolus and I break down a bolus for my younger does.


    Cydectin

    Cydectin is safe for any life stage or age. 10cc/100lbs for the pour on
    given oral. 2cc/100lbs for the injectable given oral.

    Coni Ross
    Ray M. Kaplan, DVM, PhD (University of Georgia) published data in July
    2006 in which he stated that the research had shown that the most effective
    administration of Cydectin in goats was by using the injectable as an
    injectable. I believe the latest chart from him still states this.
    However, according to a goat vet I follow, researchers started seeing


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adverse reactions in goats with heavy internal parasite loads when given
the injectable Cydectin. They believe it was because it killed off too
many worms too quickly for the system to handle. So, the safest
recommendation is not to use the injectable as an injectable on severely
infested goats. Dr. Kaplan was recommending a rate of 1 ml per 110 pounds.
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
You can use any wormer except Valbazen, which is not worth the trouble any
way. It doesn't work well any more. As far as which wormer, I use Cydectin. This
last time, I mixed the Cydectin Pour on 50:50 with Synanthic, and wormed them
with 10cc/100lbs. I used that on my heavy bred does when I did the pre kidding
vaccinations.
Posted by: "Susan Rektorik Henley" srektorik@earthlink.net srektorik
While Quest contains the same active ingredient as Cydectin (moxidectin), the
percentage is different. Quest gel is a 2% oral equine gel. (contains 20mg
moxidectin/ml). The messages in my files indicate that the dose recommended by
Dr. Kaplan is to use the moxidectin paste (20mg/ml) at .4 mg/kg, that would be 1
ml per 110 lb. Also, the goat vet I follow wrote that she would not use moxidectin
on kids or seriously dehabilitated adult animals.

At the same time, it should be noted that Dr. Kaplan is now recommending that
Cydectin in the injectable form be given as a SQ injection as research is showing
this to be the most effective method of use. However, I too am still using Quest as
I cannot find a place that has Cydectin Injectable in stock.
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net

I won't inject the Cydectin any more, as it caused abscesses on every goat I
injected in that exact spot. It stings like the devil, and the goats really
hate it.
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:01 pm (PST)

I am now using the Cydectin injectable oral at 2cc/100lbs. It has a
propylene glycol carrier.



Dectomax

The whole purpose of injecting a dewormer is to try to kill "encycted" worms
(that have dug little burrows in the intestine walls and gone dormant, but will
wake up once the internal worm population has diminished, like after an oral
deworming). In the case
of your "always wormy" kids, I suspect that may be exactly what is happening.




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Try getting a small bottle of Dectomax to use for this purpose. It is basically the
same chemical as Ivomec (Ivermectin) but it's in a non-sting carrier. I've found
that it will *sometimes* sting a bit, but never as much as the Ivomec does.

I've only found the small bottles at my local CoOp - the catalogue houses that I
order from usually don't carry anything other than the larger sizes - but you could
always ask.

Levimasole – Swine
.....This is a powder already in the jar. You add water up to the 500ml mark on the
jar. I have used it at 10ccs per grown doe. The strength of the drug is less in this
than with the Prohibit.....It does work. A friend found me two jars a week or so
ago....they are in my cabinet for emergenci

did fine after I started that program. Adult goats will have some worm immunity,
but kids have to live long enough to develop immunity


Prohibit
......put the package in a jar and add 17 and 1/2 ounces of water to it.....accepted
dose is 4 cc per 100 lbs of body weight......I have seen some research where it is
being used at 3cc per 50 pounds.....I generally give 5 cc per 100lbs.....I do keep
Atropine at hand when worming with this. You do need to be very careful about
the weight of the goat......there is a small window of safety with this. Yes, it will
kill a goat if overdosed with it.

Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
I am sorry, I use 4cc/100lbs oral for Prohibit mixed with 17.5 oz of water.

Quest Plus
Sorry, Kathryn, don't mean to intrude, you are giving excellent
advice, but to get tapeworm with the wormer you mentioned, it's Quest
Plus. Plain ol' Quest just gets regular worms and no tape worms. As
you know, Quest has the same thing in it as Cydectin and Cydectin
doesn't get tapes. But, Quest Plus gets tapes and did an excellent
job getting rid of tapes in my kids even without double dosing.
----------------------------------------------
Posted by: "Susan Rektorik Henley" srektorik@earthlink.net srektorik
While Quest contains the same active ingredient as Cydectin (moxidectin), the
percentage is different. Quest gel is a 2% oral equine gel. (contains 20mg
moxidectin/ml). The messages in my files indicate that the dose recommended by
Dr. Kaplan is to use the moxidectin paste (20mg/ml) at .4 mg/kg, that would be 1


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ml per 110 lb. Also, the goat vet I follow wrote that she would not use moxidectin
on kids or seriously dehabilitated adult animals.

At the same time, it should be noted that Dr. Kaplan is now recommending that
Cydectin in the injectable form be given as a SQ injection as research is showing
this to be the most effective method of use. However, I too am still using Quest as
I cannot find a place that has Cydectin Injectable in stock.


RUMATEL GOAT & CATTLE WORMER                -morantel tartrate
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net
I used Morantel Tartrate during the 80s to keep kids from dying of worms in
a similar year to this one. It is not labeled for goats.

What I did was worm the heck out of them, then put .6 ( six te nths) pound of
Morantel Tartrate per 50 lbs bag of feed in the creep feeder for the kids. It works
by killing the worm larvae before they can mature and lay more eggs.
Theoretically it will help clean up your pastures. Years ago, there was an
experiment done with sheep using Morantel Tartrate, and the sheep remained
parasite free, and the pastures were cleaned up too. This dose will not kill adult
worms, but it will kill larvae.
I had the Morantel Tartrate mixed in the feed for an entire summer, and the kids


Synanthic
Posted by: "Susan Rektorik Henley" srektorik@earthlink.net srektorik
Synanthic should not be used during gestation. It does cause birth defects.


Valbazen

Re: Breeding Question (after worming)
Posted by: "Jannette Wood" ewfboers@hughe s.net ewfboergoats
Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:40 am (PDT)


It was Marv in that posted you should not use V albazen 2 months prior to
breeding.


Re: Valbazen dosage for tapeworms
Posted by: "dlpayne@550access.com" dlpayne@550access.com dianapyn
Dose is 4 cc per 100 lbs. for three days in a row. We are in East Texas and
valbazen does not work for tapes for us. We have used synanthic at 6 cc per
100 lbs. for three days in a row or the horse wormer, equimax for one day, 1
click per goat.




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Disinfecting Ground
Posted by: "Sharon Romberg" john10v1to9@yahoo.com john10v1to9
Spray with a chlorine spray. Usually 1 part chlorine to 10 parts water is sufficient. Then
sunlight does the rest. Let area dry before allowing livestock to enter again.
Sharon
Holland, TX
 ------------------------------------------

Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Marvin is correct: the sun won't do the job. If the area you put those does
is dirty, SCRAPE it clean, and then sanitize it. You can use caustic lime
(Lye) or you can use Chlorahex adine disinfectant (Novalsan is the brand
name). Use label instructions, and really soak that dirty ground. Your vet
is correct, the bacteria is in the ground.
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
I use the hydrated AG Lime to sanitize the floors of the barn. It burns up bacteria. I
spread it, and water it in to get the action going. Yes it is dangerous: wear goggles, and a
mask on your face. It really works to kill bacteria, and that becomes a problem in barns.
Goats kid in that barn in bad weather, and have a higher incidence of mastitis, and navel
ill in kids.
Lime
Posted by: "siamesemomma2" zoohaus@westco.net siamesemomma2
You need to use hydrated lime (also called "hot" or "white" or "sweet" lime)- no other
type has any effect on bacteria or germs. Ag lime (or "gray" or "ground") is good for
adjusting pH of your soil, and compacts nicely w/ gravel for stalls- but doesn't do
anything else.. Hydrated lime is NOT safe, though- it is very caustic, so care must be
used (wear gloves & mask) when applying in barns. I do not allow the goats or horses
into treated areas until they are re-bedded, or the lime has been wetted (rehydrating it).


Dog Bites
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net
Dog attacks are serious. I would start with massive doses of Penicillin. Dog bites can
cause gangrene, and death. I usually start with 15-20cc SQ of Penicillin on a big goat,
and then give 10-15cc/day after that. If she does not respond suitably, I add Nuflor to the
mix. I ALWAYS give Polyserum to a dog bite goat, and clean the wounds with iodine
mixed with peroxide 50%. Dog bites can be fatal. Banamine is good for a short time, but
not long term. I would not give it more than every 12 hours for the first 2 days, and if the
doe still needs help, switch to two Aspirin twice a day as needed. I like to use Scarlet oil
to keep flies off of wounds in summer


Dyne® Goat & Sheep

(Trophy Animal Health) Provides maximum calories in a low volume dose. Protects
against transport stress. Provides weight and energy for animals that are off feed.


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Includes vitamins for additional support. Can be fed straight or mixed with feed or water.
Goats and sheep: 1 oz 3 times per day

E Coli
It does sound like E Coli, but could just as easily be Salmonella. I would
start with 15cc SQ of Polyserum or Bovi Sera, Neomycin 5cc oral mixed with
30cc Pepto Bismol, 5cc oral Nuflor and 6cc/100lbs of Nuflor SQ. If there is
no response in 24 hours, then you need to switch to Ampicillin.

Enterotoxemia
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Wed May 14, 2008 7:09 am (PDT)
There is a new antitoxin product: BCD antitoxin by Novartis. I found it in
the Valley Vet cattle catalog. Item18713 called Clostratox- BCD.
800-468-0059.

I suspect we are seeing some enterotoxemia from type B Clostridium, and that
is the animal that responds, but relapses quickly.

I would suggest the same dose as plain CD antitoxin, and the same treatment,
just DO NOT FEED the sick animal, only fluids until the animal is completely
recovered.
Posted by: "Todahyah" tf@desert-ranch.com bigboers
If it is entero, here is the advice we received from a knowledgeable
breeder:

There are different amounts noted on the bottle for prevention versus treatment using CD
antitoxin. I follow the suggested bottle dosing, depending upon the severity. With young
kids, I use about 5 ccs, every 3 hours until symptoms are gone. With big kids/adults, 10
ccs. I usually see response on the first dose, plus the Banamine and Pepto, so if
symptoms are gone, I give them a second dose in 12 hours. CD antitoxin is sub-q on
either.

Pepto: I fill a 20 cc drencher and get as much as I can into the adult goat, and with a kid
about half that orally. I don't think you can OD a goat on Pepto...but how much you can
get into them depends upon how bad off they are. The concept there is to coat the gut as
much as possible, as well as buffering the toxic acidity. I have seen some treatment
protocols where they also say to inject large doses of
penicillin and give penicillin orally as well, with kids. I don't really concur with that. To
me that would only be useful if the cause of the enterotox is bacterial, plus could
potentially knock out any beneficial gut bacteria that the animal may need if it survives
the enterotoxemia.

Banamine: depends upon the temp of the animal...get the temp first before deciding on
whether/not to give more. It is always IM. In the case of a really sick kid with high temp,
I will give two 1/4 cc doses, 12 hours apart. Technically not supposed to dose banamine


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more than qd, but I would rather relieve pain and inflammation (it has big time anti-
inflammatory action which is needed for the gut
in enterotoxemia situations). Prolonged tx with Banamine can cause stomach ulcers,
etc...but better ulcerated than dead. In the adult goat, the 1/2 cc dose 12 hours apart seems
to work for me. I have never had to dose Banamine for more than 32 hours...by then the
goat is either well or usually has died within the first 12 hours, if the enterotox is too
advanced and there is multi- system shutdown.

You can tell the multi-system shutdown when the rectal temp goes all over the place. The
temp may have been 107, and now it is 97...yikes! Not much you can do there except
medicate for comfort and pray. In kids, it is tough. Once they milk bloat, particularly
from milk replacers or sudden gorging when we are late with the bottles, it is pretty tough
to get 'em back. I lose more of those than I save,
regardless of aggressive enterotox treatment.

Oh yeah, and the other thing with enterotox is NO FOOD. The gut has pretty much shut
down, so they cannot process/use it anyway. Give electrolytes by bottle to kids,
preferably clear electrolytes. That is fine for 24 - 48 hours, in which time the symptoms
should be gone if the baby is to survive anyway. Actually, at the first sign of scours in a
kid, I give 'em CD antitoxin as a preventative, and take
'em off their bottles and give the electrolytes for 24 hours. In an adult, they actually
should have the fat stores to get by on no food for a day or two, but at any rate, do not
offer anything heavier than grass hay.
Symptoms: The kid is suddenly in severe pain, usually associated with bloating, and
sudden death.

Vaccination of the does 2-3 weeks prior to kidding usually prevents Enterotoxemia from
occurring. I do not use CDT, since I have had serious break over (vaccine failure) with
every CDT vaccine out there, especially Anchor, and Bar Vac. Covexin 8 covers 8
clostridials, including Tetanus, and Enterotoxemia types C and D. I treat these, and save
most of them. I treat them as follows.
     First: Kids: I give 5-7cc SQ of CD antitoxin, 5-7cc SQ of Penicillin
     Banamine for pain 1cc/100lbs. 7-10 cc oral penicillin ( to topically kill
         bacteria in the gut causing the problem)
     Pepto Bismol 15-20cc orally: Pepto Bismol is antacid, antigas, anti bacterial. The
        Bismuth stops the bacteria from replicating, and producing toxins that kill the
        organs.
 This will work if you recognize symptoms fast, and treat fast. Coni
Calvary 9
Posted by: "Jannette Wood" ewfboers@hughes.net ewfboergoats
Sat Nov 8, 2008 1:58 pm (PST)
I had heard, and then got into a conversation with a vet in the fair goat barn, that there
was a new entero showing up in our area. It was fast and deadly. The Vet had checked it
out with his old school LSU. Animals that had been properly vaccinated with the usual
entero vaccines were getting it and dying..fast. Vaccine with Sordelli in it seemed to
work as a prevention. And that is why I changed products.


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Naomi and others, I wanted to post this from Coni Ross as she's been experimenting with
Calvary 9 on her goats. She suggested for people to switch from CD/T to Covexin 8
because of all the break over from CD/T. This was several years ago we all switched to
Covexin 8. She gave me permission to post this from her:

I have been using Calvary 9 for about 6 mos. as a trial..

There has been more cases of "red water" Clostridium Hemolyticum (C. Novi type D).
Red water: Bacillary Hemoglobinuria kills in hours causing bright red blood in the urine,
and high fever resulting in sepsis and death. Death in cattle can take as long as 2 days.
Goats can die in 2-6 hours after onset of symptoms.

There have also been cases of Enterotoxemia type B, which is not covered by Covexin-8,
but there seems to be greater immunity with Calvary 9, even though Calvary 9 does not
cover it. Since Calvary 9is a cattle vaccine with a 2cc cattle dose, I have been giving a
1cc initial dose with a 1cc booster in 14-21 days: So far so good.

I have posted this to the Boer Goat several times. I have not come right out and
suggested people switch, because I have not gone through kidding with it yet. I will say it
is attractively priced: a 250 ml bottle is $63. thus 250 doses for 25 cents per dose. I give it
SQ, and have had NO bumps from it. I just wanted to wait for kidding results before
recommending it.

Sordellii, Clostridium septicum, Chauvoei, Novyi can all be associated with Malignant
Edema. Sordellii is not usually associated with this alone, as it is normally caused by
multiple organisms that gain entry from a wound of some sort.
-------------------------------------------------------
From: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Subject: kid with enterotoxemia
First: vaccines do not provide permanent immunity until the kid is 12 weeks old, the
immune system is not mature enough until then. I usually give a med size kid at least 5-
7cc SQ of longacting Penicillin, and 5-7cc oral of penicillin to kill the bacteria topically
in the gut. The parenteral (shot) Penicillin is the drug of choice for Clostridial species
bacteria that cause Enterotoxemia, but it takes too long to get through the tissues into the
gut, so I give one dose oral. I give 5-7cc CD antitoxin, Banamine1cc IM/100lbs for pain,
and 10-30cc Pepto bismol oral along with the Penicillin oral. Pepto is anti gas, anti
bacterial, and antacid at the same time. Listen to his lungs: is he wet or can you hear a
rattle? Assess the entire goat before you decide what is going on. Sometimes pneumonia
causes symptoms similar to what you described because the animal is in such respiratory
distress.


Feed Mix
       Re: Feed mix
       Posted by: "pwaters3" pwaters3@yahoo.com pwaters3


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    Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:48 am (PST)

    You can try this website at Langston

    http://www2.luresext.edu/GOATS/research/rationbalancer.htm

    The ration calculator is not the most user friendly and does take some
    playing with it to get and answer. you can get predicted and rates of gain and
    compare to actual.


Fescue Hay
    Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
    The endophyte free fescue will not harm anything. The Fescue that has
    endophytes causes all kinds of problems to all grazing animals, including
    ruminants. It is a fungal infection caused by similar fungi to Ergots. It is primarily
    in tall fescue.

Floppy Kids Syndrom
    Bar None Meat Goats - FKS - Floppy Kid
    Syndromehttp://www.barnonemeatgoats.com/fks.html
    FKS - Floppy Kid Syndrome

    a.. Affects kids from 3-21 days of age. Some get it younger or older, they can
    have it twice
    b.. Is found in dam raised kids, as well as bottle raised kids.
    c.. Is caused by clostridial type AE bacteria.
    d.. Clostridial bacteria, such as Tetanus live in the ground.
    e.. Is treatable if caught early.
    f.. Is usually found in late spring kids after the weather warms up. Here in Texas
    late April & May is FKS season.
    Symptoms:
    a.. First symptom is a wobbly or unsteady gate. If you see a kid cross his back
    legs when he is walking or runs a few steps and stumble he is probably in the
    early stages of FKS.
    b.. Kids seem to eat dirt have dirty mouths and faces.
    c.. Does have strutted udders. You can tell their kid has not nursed well.
    d.. You can sneak up & catch pasture kids, they don't try to run off.
    e.. Dam raised kids tend to be hollow, haven't nursed & appear to be weak.
    f.. Bottle kids tend to show the more prominent full belly the gut shuts down &
    the milk stays in the stomachs. The kids seem to slosh when shaken. These kids
    need treated with Pepto or Baking Soda.
    g.. Kids become lethargic unable to stand & eventually unable to even hold their
    heads up they become flat unable to control any muscles.
    h.. Some kids run high fevers others do not.


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       i.. Some kids show signs of respiratory distress some don't. Inexperienced
       observers may diagnose these kids as having pneumonia.
       Treatment:
       a.. If caught early enough (kids that are just starting to stumble) kids can be left on
       their dams. Treatment needs to be continued for 3 days even if the kids act fine on
       day 2.
       b.. Treat daily for 3 days with:
       a.. 500mg Thiamine
       b.. 2cc penicillin
       c.. 2cc B Complex
       d.. This can be mixed together & given orally.
       c.. If the kids are flat when you find them give the following in addition to the
       above treatment:
       a.. 1cc penicillin SQ
       b.. Electrolytes or 50% dextrose given orally do not give milk if their gut has shut
       down -Tube feeding may be necessary.
       c.. Probiotics mix with electrolytes to start the good bacteria going in the gut.
       d.. If the kids are out with their dams be careful they don't get out in the sun & try
       to cook. These kids tend to seek out the sunny spots & dehydrate quickly.
       e.. If the kid's gut is full and is not functioning a dose of Pepto-Bismol and/or
       baking soda will help.
       f.. If the kid is flat:
       a.. Prop him up on his brisket & hold his head & neck up with a rolled up towel
       b.. Keep kids hydrated tube feed electrolytes or 50% dextrose.
       c.. Withhold milk until the kids has been up and moving well for 8 hours.
       d.. Don't let him get too cold or too hot.
       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
       Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:19 am (PST)


       I get Thiamine in a 500mg/ml dose. The source is the key. It is easier to
       treat with the larger dose. I usually give 500mg IM, and 500mg mixed with 10cc
       longacting penicillin. The longacting penicillin is oil base, and this causes the B1
       to be dispensed a bit more slowly, so it keeps the blood levels up for a longer
       period of time. I also give 10cc oral penicillin to kill the bad bugs in the gut, that
       are not making thiamine. 12 hours later restart the rumen with Calf pac, and
       continue with the Penicillin mixed with thiamine every day. I tried this protocol
       on several goats, and it proved to improve symptoms faster. Starting on day two, I
       drench with Revive and extra thiamine mixed with Calf Pac and water if the
       animal can't drink.


Gangreen Mastitis
From: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Subject: black and blue udder/gangreen mastitis


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This is an emergency: Gangrene mastitis is fatal if not treated immediately. Bacterial
infection causes interruption of the circulation of the udder, and tissue death begins. You
can feel the udder begin to feel cold, and bluish, the color progresses to black with
complete tissue death. Once this happens, the udder is dead, and will slough. I usually
treat with massive doses of Penicillin: 15-20cc SQ, Polyserum 10-15cc SQ,
Banamine1cc/100lbs IM, Nuflor 6cc SQ/100lbs on day one. On days two and after,
Penicillin 15cc SQ, Banamine once every 24 hours, Nuflor 3cc/100lbs. the udder will
begin to slough off, and hydro treatment with a hose will help to keep tissues fresh, and
remove dying tissue. I spray with Scarlet Oil to keep flies off. After the does stabilizes,
you can give the Penicillin every other day. Hydro each day, and spray with scarlet oil. It
will heal, and cover completely. Coni



Goat Polio
       Posted by: "Coni Ro ss" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
       Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:06 pm (PDT)


       You do not have to give Dex amethasone to treat Polio. I don't usually use
       it. I giv e 1 gram (1 ,000 mg) mixed with 10cc longacting Penicillin. (This
       will prolong absorption of the thiamine over 8 hours or so) and 500mg IM. I
       also give 1 0cc oral penicillin ( injectable) to sterilize the gut and kill
       organisms causing the problem. Then on day two, I restart the rumen with
       Calf Pac mix ed with 60cc Dex trose and 60cc water with 1 gram of Thiamine
       mix ed in it. Then repeat the Penicillin mixed with the gram of thiamine once
       a day for as long as it takes for recovery to occur.

       If the goat is down, and paddling, they are very hard to save.
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:12 pm (PDT)

I have tried a different treatment with really good success. What I do now
is to mix 10cc longacting Penicillin with 1 gram (1,000mg) thiamin and give
it SQ. the initial treatment still requires Thiamin 500mg IM and 500-1,000
mg on the first day, but since Thiamine is water soluble, and is gone very
fast I changed the treatment to keep the blood levels up longer.

I have a big buck kid that I found down, struggling, and blind. He could not
walk, or move his hind legs at all. His front legs were weak. I gave him
a500mg IM of Thiamine and 1 gram SQ mixed with the Penicillin 10cc. I gave
10cc of oral penicillin to sterilize the gut ( restart the rumen the next
day with Calf Pac) I then drenched him with 100 cc Revive mixed 50:50 with
water. On day two, he was stronger, and ate food put in front of his blind
face, and drank water. On day three he could walk, but still couldn't see.
I continue the penicillin mixed with the gram of Thiamin SQ until he was




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completely recovered. It took 10 days for the blindness to resolve, but he
was walking and doing well otherwise in 4 days.

Poliomyelitis (Thiamin Deficiency) in Goats By Coni Ross, AMGA Regional Coordinator

This is not disease of neglect. Usually, there is bacteria pres ent, that inhibits the absorption of
thiamin, or cons umes the thiamin, therefore preventing absorption by the goat. Thiamin and
glucose are imperative for function of the nervous system. Many times, the culpable bacteria are
Clostridia species, but not necessarily. It seems most prevalent in animals on small grain fields,
but can happen on fresh green pasture, or any time. Thiaminase producing plants or bacteria are
involved, which can cause a change in pH of the digestive tract, killing normal bac teria, and
inducing a Thiamin deficiency.

Presentation can vary. Most of the time, the classic symptoms are star gazing, and stiffness. The
goat may be blind. The symptoms may closely mimic Tetanus. To differentiate, check the goat's
eyelid: Tickle the ey elashes, if the third eyelid flas hes across, tetanus can be suspected, if not,
this is Polio. A variety of symptoms may present. Paralysis of rear legs, weakness of all
extremities, or only one leg, and or blindness. The onset of the disease may be over se veral
days, or several hours. The most severe cases progress rapidly from weakness to complete
paralysis, coma, and death if not treated.

Treatment: The most effective treatment I have us ed, is composed of support of the neurological
system, restoring natural bacterial balance of rumen bacteria, and support of hydration and
nutrition. I prefer to use a powdered live probiotic product to help reestablish the normal bacteria,
but most any product will do, as long as it is live, and not just a by -product of live bacteria.
Thiamin in an injectable form is imperative. B Complex will help, but usually is not a high enough
dose to reverse the disease process unless caught very early. I prefer to give 500 mg. Thiamin IM
as a first dose, followed by a second dose of 250 mg. that same day. Thiamin is water -soluble
and is excreted very rapidly. The absence of Thiamin causes death of millions or brain cells, so
quick recognition and treatment is imperative. The Thiamin should be given at least daily until
recovery is complete, but, injectable Thiamin may be given by month on day three and aft er
normal bacterial balance is restored. I usually give a weight appropriate dose of penicillin on day
one and two to help control any systemic bacteria, since this is drug of choice for clostridia
species bacteria.

Keep the goat in a protected area from sun or rain. If the goat is blind put it where it can
find feed and water until it recovers. It may be necessary to drench or tube, the goat that
can't swallow, with an electrolyte-sugar product. They usually recover, but the time
involved in recovery usually depends of the severity of the disease prior to treatment. The
recovery of a blind goat takes longer, but they will recover given proper treatment. This
method works well for me.



Hemorrhaging
        Re: Oxytocin
        Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross

        That was a one time dose of Oxytocin to stop hemorrhaging. The doe was passing
        large amounts of bright red blood around the 'bubble' and that is a very dangerous
        sign. Dawn is an RN , and recognizes a hemorrhage when she see it. Better for


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    the doe to be a bit uncomfortable than die of blood loss. Oxytocin contracts that
    uterus, and closes off the arteries and allows time for clotting. We do the same
    thing to women who are having a post partum hemorrhage.


Hoof Rot
    Re: stubborn hoof rot
    Posted by: "Jon Gie zentanner" jongie zentanner@yahoo.com
    jongiezentanner
    Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:11 pm (PDT)

    I didn't read this whole post but this is a trick that John Newman told me about for
    stubborn hoof rot: Take an old sock and put it over the hoof, then put a ziploc
    baggy over that. Squirt in several cc's of LA200 under the sock and onto the hoof.
    Duct tape the zipolc baggy onto the foot so it will stay in place, basically making
    a booty. Make sure you don't make it too tight. Leave it on for 4-5 days and
    then cut it off. The hof should be healed after that, or at least well on it's way.

    Re: never-ending foot rot
    Posted by: "Mona Enderli" m_enderli@hotmail.com mon_end
    Since we had cattle here prior to raising goats I've used the Volar Hoof Rot
    Vaccine that's made for cattle. Even though I've been told that goats get a
    different strain of hoof rot than cows I've had an excellent response when I used
    it. It not only cleared up the foot rot and prevented reinfection, but it also made
    the hooves really strong again.
    Re: oxytetracyline?????
    Posted by: "ktreuter" ktreuter@comcast.net ktreuter
    I actually just got my one goat who had foot rot over it. Thanks to all the help
    from this group. I had tried different things (the bleach water solution, hoof n
    heel, etc.) and nothing worked until I got some Biomycin (sp?). Someone from
    the group suggested to squirt it directly between the toes onto the rot which I did.
    Within 24 hours, he was
    using at least one back foot normally again. I reapplied and also injected him
    with some (3cc?) and within another 24 hours it was pretty much all gone. I
    believe the bottle said you can use it for up to 4 days in a row, so I just continued
    for an extra 2 days to make sure it was all gone. The poor guy had it for about a
    month and I wish I had some of that from the beginning. If you'd like, I can
    forward to you all the emails I've saved from the people who helped me. I know
    how frustrating it is! ANd if anyone's reading this that helped me, thanks so
    much for the suggestions!
    Posted by: "Sara Davis" csdavis@oakhollowlivestock.com warember
    Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:44 am (PST)
    James,
    When I had foot rot problems with my original goats (been a few years


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       now, thankfully), I treated them all quite effectively using LA-200 and
       hydrogen peroxide. Here is what I did:
       Trim the hooves back as far as possible until you get to healthy
       tissue. Take hydrogen peroxide in a ziplock bag (quart size worked
       great for me) and soak each foot for 30-60 seconds. I like the baggies
       because I can separate the toes with my fingers through the bag. Once
       all the feet have been soaked, apply 3-5cc of LA-200 directly to the
       hoof, trying to cover everywhere that was effected. Give 4.5cc/100lbs
       of LA-200 SQ.

       For the worst cases, I repeated the injection in 24 hours. Most
       cleared up quickly and within 2-3 days, the lameness was all but gone.
       I did this with kids as young as 4 weeks and all the way up to the buck
       with no complications. Easy, fast, and it works.
       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
       Look in Valley vet catalog, they have two kinds of vaccines. I think the cattle
       vaccine works best, and you can half the dose, then vaccinate, and booster. I
       suggest you trim the hoof, removing all debris, and all dead tissue, or tissue that
       looks suspicious. Cut out all pockets. Koppertox on the affected hoof will help,
       and Sq injection of Penicillin 10cc (at least) per day for 5 days, and daily
       treatment of the hoof. You can use 7% iodine if you have some to put on the
       foot instead of Koppertox.
       I got some does back once that had hoof rot, and I cured them like that, but
       every time one limped, I re vaccinated her, even if it had only been a week
       since the last vaccination. I finally got them cleared up. The bacteria only lives 10
       days without a host, so if you can get them cleaned up, move to clean pasture



Immunity
       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
       Thu Nov 6, 2008 5:32 pm (PST)


       You may want to try a 2cc SQ dose of V itamin A. A deficiency in V itamin A
       will cause poor lactation, and poor immunity.


Inducing Labor
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Normal gestation is from day 145-155. Some does may actually ovulate after they go out
of heat, and may be in heat several days. In fact, the best time to AI is when the doe is
going out of heat, because it is closer to actual time of ovulation. Unless this doe has
huge kids that cause a difficult delivery, I would wait. I use 10cc Dexamethasone to
induce a doe, and it happens within 24-36 hours.




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Joint Ill/Navel Ill question
This is what Coni has to say about Joint Ill/Navel Ill:
It's a tough treatment on them and you.
Day 1:
       7cc Nuflor
       10cc Penicillin SQ
       10cc Bovi sera.
       the idea is to get that infection stopped before it gets to the solid stage in the
          joints or in the organs. Most of the time, if you are not aggressive enough, the kid
          will be permanently crippled, and stunted.
 Day 2:
       5cc SQ of Nuflor
       7cc Penicillin.
       Repeat the bovi sera on days 4&8.
       The way I feel about it: it is going to die a very painful death if
          I don’t get aggressive, so rather than just knock it in the head, I am
          aggressive. It

Labor – Preventing Night Kidding
         Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net

         Feeding late in the evening is what keeps the rumen active, and diverts blood supply
         from the reproductive tract. If a doe is not in labor, she isn't likely to go into labor with the
         blood supply diverted to digest feed and hay, if she is already in labor, then feeding will
         not stop the process.

         Heavy hay and grain feeding will take at least 6-8 hours to digest, so delaying labor from
         starting which will make most kidding not occur at night.

         I did this with Angoras for years. They were not likely to survive if the temp is cold, and
         the kids are born at night. 98% would kid early in the am, or during the day. Very few
         kidded at night.


Lactation
         Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
         Thu Nov 6, 2008 5:32 pm (PST)


         You may want to try a 2cc SQ dose of V itamin A. A deficiency in V itamin A
         will cause poor lactation, and poor immunity.


Lice
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
I use Saber on all ages of goats. 5cc down the topline for kids, and 10-20cc down the topline for larger
animals

Lutalyse to synchronize does


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Posted by: "ncsu12779" ncsu12779@aol.com ncsu12779
The 2 shot method of giving lutalyse is used if the doe does not respond and come into
heat after the first shot. It depends on where the doe is in her cycle as to wether or not the
lutalyse will cause her to come into heat. There has to be an active corpus luteum (CL)
present on the ovary for lutalyse to work properly. The does will normally come into heat
within 24-72 hours after the first dose if the doe has a CL present. If she does not come
into heat give another dose of lutalyse 10-12 days after the first shot and the doe will
come into heat. I recommend to give 2 ml (cc) of lutalyse IM when trying to bring
does into heat or to abort them. If you do not like to use lutalyse you can use 1 ml (cc) of
PG 600 and it will do the same thing. If the does are pregnant when you give the lutalyse
the doe will probably come into heat 1-3 days later, but will not conceive. For every 30
days a doe is bred she needs 2 weeks to try to get her uterus back into shape to get bred.
If a doe is 30 days bred lutalyse her and give her 2 weeks before trying to breed her, if 60
days bred give the doe 4 weeks after the lutalyse shot before trying to breed her.
The use of CIDRs or Sponges are very helpful in trying to synchronize does, but the
ability to get CIDRS in the U.S. is very low right nowDr. Steven Matthews
Matthews Mobile Veterinary Services
Matthews Farms Boer Goats



Maggots
       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
       Sun May 25, 2008 5:56 am (PDT)


       I have poured iodine, perox ide and chlorine bleach on maggots, and it did
       not kill them. There special bombs available at most feed stores that are
       designed to kill maggots in wounds: heavy duty insecticides. Maggots are
       very hard to kill.

       Nov alsan can be purchased at Tractor supply stores, and many farm stores:
       the generic is Chlorahexadine. It is a disinfectant. I mix the Ivomec with
       that product to get it diluted enough that it will get down where it needs
       to be.



Magic and Revive Recipes
       Posted by: "Alice" ilflatlander@hughes.net outlander_nc
       Magic
       1 part molasses
       1 part corn oil (must be corn oil)
       2 parts Karo syrup
       Revive
       500 ml 50% dextrose
       500 ml amino acid solution
       200 ml calcium gluconate


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       20 ml B Complex
       2 grams ascorbic acid (vitamin C)
       5 ml B12 (3000 mcg/ml)
       5 ml thiamine (500 mg/ml)
       When you measure it out for drenching you then mix it 50:50 with water, but
       not before you are going to use it.
       From the vet you will have to get the B12 and thiamine. He might only have
       thiamine in 250 mg/ml so you will just have to double the amount you put in
       the mix to make 2500 mg. I cheat. I use Vit. C chewable tablets instead of
       the ascorbic acid. Perhaps your vet has the ascorbic acid also. After
       adding the water give 200cc 3x a day.
       When you have both of these mixed you give the Magic at nighttime as it will
       hold them for the night where as the Revive is more immediate


mange around eyes
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
You can use Prolate around the eyes. I have done it with a Q tip, and rub it into the lesion
good, then treat with Ivomec injectable oral, but once a week until hair starts to grow
back



Mastitis
Re: Can a doe on Penicillin still nurse babies?
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Yes, she can. I had a doe with mastitis on one side yesterday, and I gave her 20cc
longacting penicillin, 10cc Nuflor, and 15cc Polyserum. She was really hacked off at me,
but she is better today,. Do not underdose, or your treatment may not be successful


Milk Fever
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Milk Fever: calcium deficiency. I drench with Calcium Gluconate 20-30cc. I
do not give it IM or SQ, it is hypertonic and can cause tissue damage.
IF a doe has recently kidded, and is sick, I give 15-20cc Penicillin SQ with
6cc Per 100lbs Nuflor, and Polyserum. On day two, I continue the Penicillin
at a 15cc dose SQ and 3cc/100lbs Nuflor. They can become toxic and die
quickly if they get an infection at this time. I also glove up, and check to
be sure all kids have been passed.


Milk Formula
From: Coni Ross
To: The_Boer_Goat@yahoogroups.com



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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: [The_Boer_Goat] Re: Coni's Bottle Feeding Formula needed ASAP
     3 cups water
     1 cup non fat dry milk,
     ¼ cup whipping cream
     1 large egg
     1 scoop calf pac per batch in the morning

          To double the recipe use a jumbo egg, and 1/3 cup whipping cream and 6 cups
          water, 2 cups non fat dry milk.Do not microwave. Warm in hot water. To me it is
          easier to make it when Ineed it.My kids grow like they are on the doe, not bottle
          kids.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
I put a tablespoon of baby rice cereal per bottle until the kids adapt to
the formula change.


Mites
       I scrub with a mixture of 1 oz Prolate mixed in a gallon of water. Don't just spray
       it on, but SCRUB. One treatment with Prolate is often enough, but I would also
       spray the area you are keeping that kid in. I then give 1cc Ivomec injectable oral
       per 100lbs every 5-7 days until it is healed.

       Mites are most common on belly, legs, and those places that touch the ground
       when they rest. Squirrels are a common vector for transmission. Treat the areas
       between the forelegs again on schedule when you do the prolate. I have had bad
       cases take a month or more to heal. Once mites are in that crust it is hard to cure
       it. Use Ivomec injectable not the pour on, or give Dectomax injected Every 5
       days. Don't spray the prolate, SCRUB with
       it every time with a stiff brush. I bet the spot on the chests will respond too.

       I would get them out of that area entirely if possible, as mites are very hard to kill,
       and reinfection is very easy. You may have to find the squirrel or what ever
       varmint is carrying it and get rid of it to stop the mite reinfestation. I had that
       problem once with my bucks. They would get better, then start up again. I finally
       found a squirrel with mange in their pen foraging under the feed troughs. He was
       naked from the shoulders back
       where the could reach with his teeth. I shot him, and have not had a problem
       since.

       Another thing to consider is giving Penicillin 10cc SQ/100lbs three days in
       a row. A subclinical infection will certainly stop healing.

       Coni Ross
       Posted by: "Mona Enderli" m_enderli@hotmail.com mon_end


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       Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:52 pm (PDT)
       Hi June,

       Many, many moons ago when we first got goats I got a couple of bucks that had
       mites. Nothing seemed to touch certain areas until I finally sprayed the areas with
       Cut Heal. That cleared them up completely and the sore / scabby areas healed up
       nicely.
       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net
       Dectomax has a long half life. It is the best for mite treatment. Ivomec is
       good too, and very effective for mites, and handy because I use it for dogs
       too, but Dectomax is best for mites. Cydectin is not as effective as either
       of these for mites. I give Dectomax at 2cc/100lbs oral.

Molasses
       Posted by: "Jentsch" Jentsch@dishmail.net hmjentsch
       We keep out molasses tubs year round and have excellent results. Wouldn't be
       without them. We use HLS tubs only (Hudson Livestock Supplements). I like the
       pure cane molasses tubs with probiotic added.


Nuflor
Posted by: "Christina Hall" christinahall2@yahoo.com christinahall2
I got my order yesterday from PBS and with it I got Fast Facts sheet

on a drug called Draxxin. It states that it out preforms Nuflor. I wanted to get the groups
feed back on this drug
buck with snotty nose/Texas-Wa
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
I would not treat that goat for less than 5-7 days with the Nuflor. I always give the Nuflor
every day for at least 5 days, and perhaps 7, depending on how fast the goat responds to
treatment. If the infection is stubborn, I add Septra or Bactrim (Sulfadimethoxazine with
Trimethoprim) twice a day oral to the treatment. This drug is safe, and very effective.
If you have Polyserum, or Bovi sera, I would give 10cc SQ on days one and four.
Vaccinate your goats for pneumonia. I use the Super Poly Bac B Somnus from Texas vet
labs. A 1cc SQ dose followed by a half cc booster in 14-21 days.


Overeating
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
When goats over eat grain, this is a true emergency.
DO NOT GIVE VETABLE OIL OF ANY KIND, IT ADDS TO THE DIGESTIVE
LOAD, AND CAN
CAUSE DEATH! That means olive oil or anything other than mineral oil.I have saved
goats that had gotten into the barn, and ate massive amounts of corn.



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     I give 10cc Penicillin oral to stop fermentation, and 30-60cc of pepto
Bismol (antacid, anti- gas, and anti bacterial).
I give 10-15cc of SQ Penicillin, and 10cc CD anti-toxin
Banamine for pain at 1cc/100lbs IM.
4-6 oz of Mineral oil will help speed things on their way, but I do not usually do that until
I give the Penicillin and Pepto Bismol time to work to stop fermentation of the grain.
Fermentation caused acidosis, and bloating from gas. I wait at least 4-6 hours prior to
giving Mineral oil. On day two, I give a big dose of Calf Pac to restart the rumen: usually
3 scoops for a grown goat mixed with a little water.



Pink Eye
The following recipe requires a Vet for the ingredients, but it will work, and the medicine
will keep well, for a long time. Like all medications keep them in a cool location and
stored out of the sun.
      10ml of 100mg/ml Gentamycin
      10ml of 2mg/ml Dexamethasone
      10ml of distilled or sterile water
      a small spray bottle (an old travel size hair spray bottle)

To treat the goats, you must prevent further spread of the infection. I use paper towels,
and Listerine to clean the pus off of the goat's face. Be sure the eye and face are clean of
any drainage. The flies will feed on this and re- infect the eye, and other goats. Spray the
mixture in the eye. Be sure the eye is held open, while you spray. If you are in a hurry,
treat twice a day, but if you are treating a lot of goats, you may do the treatment only
once a day. Depending on the stage of the disease, it may take 3 or 4 days to clear up the
eye. If the eye is just beginning to drain, one treatment is enough. If the eye is already
opaque, the treatment period will last longer. Be sure to clean the goat's face each day.
Sources:
C. Ross

Pneumonia
I use the super Poly Bac B Somnus to vaccinate for pneumonia: a cattle
vaccine. The goat dose is only 1cc SQ, and the booster half a cc. It has 3
of the most common pneumonias in it, salmonella and H. Somnus, all of which
can kill. Jeffers, and CEE Sales sell it. The cattle vaccines with the viral
constituents do not work as well. In 30 years, I have never seen a goat with
viral pneumonia; they die of P. Multocida or M. Hemolytica most of the time.

If you booster the does 2-3 weeks prior to kidding, they give colostrum
immunity to the kids, and they are protected until they are 12 weeks when
they can be vaccinated.

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This doe's condition is very delicate. Her immune system is compromised, so
it is likely that she has an E Coli pneumonia. These symptoms are very grim.
When a goat slobbers and foams like that they usually die. I have saved
them, saved with aggressive treatment.

I would give 20cc Polyserum or Bovi Sera SQ every day for 5 days. CD
Antitoxin 10CC SQ per day, 8-10cc Batril SQ (per vet conference) Septra
15cc oral twice a day.. If she is going to live, you will know in 48 hours.



Pregnancy Toxemia
I give 100cc Revive mixed with 100cc water, and a scoop of calf pac each am.
Put the Calcium Gluconate in the Revive and that will take care

Of the tender feet. I offer sweet feed, with a handful of whole corn and
free choice alfalfa. Increase the corn by a handful each day until you have
her eating

A pound of corn. Make sure she gets the calf pac each day to keep her
eating. I usually give a one time dose of 1 tsp Sodium Bicarb on day one,
wait an hour, then drench with revive with the Calf pac.

Magic: 8-10 oz at bedtime to hold her the night.

If you can keep her eating there is no reason she can't carry the kids to
term, and milk like she should.
Coni Ross
Posted by: "neverdone" neverdone@hughes.net deriddergoatguy
Well, I've been reading this post with much interest. I was told about the creamed corn
remedy by Dr. Laird Laurence from Fredrickburg, TX. He gave a talk at the last Goat
Gathering as he is a well known goat vet in Texas and treats many goats each week. (The
Goat Gathering is a week long seminar that is held biannually by Texas A&M. They
should be having one in 2007 and I highly recommend you attend if you can.)
He told us that he has stopped using Propylene Glycol and had used creamed corn with a
near 100% success rate for ketosis. He recommended that you puree the creamed corn
with some Karo syrup and drench the goat three times a day. This provides a quick shot
of glucose (Karo) and the corn is digested over a period of time. Years ago, I was also
told to feed a small amount of cracked corn everyday to my pregnant does by another
goat nutritionist. He does an article in the Goat Rancher now.
Yes, whole corn will swell when you put it in water. It absorbs the fluid because it is
DRY and yes, if your goat is fed a high corn diet or gets in the feed room, it can cause
problems but creamed corn is already wet, you make it more liquid by pureeing, and I
don't think 2 oz of liquified corn will harm your animal. We have used this for several
does and have recommended it to several other breeders - we have all had a 100%



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success rate so far. So you have to do what you are comfortable with but as for me, I will
continue to use the creamed corn
From: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Subject: penning does with pregnancy toxemia
I do not pen pregnancy toxemia does. I put the doe with a group of doe kids, so that they
are top of the pecking order, and will eat more, just to exert the top goat position. I treat
them morning and evening, with Revive and Magic. If they are kept eating, they do not
need Revive all day. If the doe is critical, or needs to be stablilized, then the doe needs
Revive several times a day, and Magic at night. Calf Pac is very important to keep the
rumen efficient. sometimes, when the doe is staining her tail, I give a one time dose of 1
tsp of Baking soda to reduce acidosis caused by the ketones. Once the doe stops staining
her tail, she does not need that, but a one time dose will help keep the organisms alive. If
the pH is too acid, live organisms are killed, and the digestive organisms are imperative
to keeping the doe stable. If you can keep the doe eating, she will maintain, and very
likely carry the pregnancy to term. Just keep your eye on her, so that she does continue to
eat well.
I usually put molasses tubs out for does that are pregnant, but use the MLS tub, because it
is made with pure molasses, and PLANT protein, with vitamins and it has a lot of
Selenium in it.
Just keep alert, and observe the doe on a daily basis, to be sure she is still eating. It would
not do at all to have her crash. Once they are down, it is hard to pull them out of it. It can
be done if you are contientious, but often, after an episode of being down, the kids die in
utero.
From: "Coni Ross" <crranch@texas.net>
Subject: Electrolytes/ Revive
I do not recommend giving extra electrolytes to a doe with pregnancy toxemia. The
Amino acid solution has electrolytes in it, and more potassium is not needed. Does with
pregnancy toxemia can get too much potassium, and there is an adequate amount in
molasses to make sure the electrolytes are correct. They just don't need extra. If you think
they need more fluids, add more water to the revive.
From: "Coni Ross" <crranch@texas.net>
Subject: pregnant doe limping
When a heavy bred doe limps, or walks like she is on egg shells, she likely has a calcium
deficiency. I would add 20cc Calcium Gluconate to her Revive . I mix it for pregnant
does different than for non pregnant animals.
Revive for Pregnant does:
     500 Ml bottle of 50% Dextrose
     500ml bottle of amino acid solution (if the concentrate, use only 50cc)
     200ml calcium Gluconate
     20 ml B complex
     2 grams Ascorbic acid (vit. C)
     5 ml B12 (3,000 mcg/ml)
     5 ml 500mg/ml Thiamin
Store in a clean jar, in a dark cool place.
I usually give Revive according to the doe's requirements: A large doe in serious
toxemia: limping with swollen feet, or stained tail, loosing weight on her top, listless, loss


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of appetite, will need to be treated individually. Does that are sleepy, or won't stand are at
risk of dying. I give the serious doe more Revive: 200cc mixed with 200cc water every
2-3 hours until she is more awake. I usually reduce the amount of Revive when the doe is
more alert, and or starts eating. I add Calf Pac 2-3 scoops/day in the morning revive, and
offer sweet feed, with an extra handful of corn, and free choice alfalfa. I give the doe 8-
10 oz of Magic at bedtime to hold her the night. A smaller doe will not need as much.




Red Cell
Over-the-counter Red Cell can be used to combat anemia in goats.
Packages in quart bottles, use it in conjunction with Vitamin B12
injections or as a stand-alone treatment. Should be administered daily
via mouth for at least one week in no less than three cc amounts for
an average-sized goat.


Rumensin
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
The Rumensin block is for cattle, but it works. I use the Rumensin blocks in conjunction
with MLS molasses tubs. Crystalix tubs are also very good
Sweetlix Q
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
I use the Sweetlix Meat Maker Mineral with Rumensin. There is also one without
Rumensin by Sweetlix.
From Coni Ross
Subject: [The_Boer_Goat] Rumensin/not use?
I used Deccox (Deccoquinate) for a year in my feed: a fair trial. The same group of goats,
same feed ration except for the additive. I had much smaller kids at weaning, had to treat
for coccidiosis, and had my first case of Polio. I went back to Rumensin in the feed.
Deccox is toxic to dogs. Rumensin is not. I had a guard dog that thought he was a goat,
and ate goat feed all the time. The goats on feed (the fullbloods) get Rumensin feed every
day. The commercial goats have the Rumensin Cattle blocks out. I can't afford to have
the kids 10 lbs lighter at weaning. I do not think it is practical to treat for coccidiosis,
when it can be prevented entirely.
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Well for starters, Rumensin was approved for goats in 1980-81. I have used it since then,
and have had no resistance from Coccidia.
I do not treat for coccidiosis, and have had no problems. Rumensin blocks will even work
(cattle block) even though Sweetlix says it does not have enough to help goats. I put them
out for my commercial goats on pasture, and it makes 10lbs difference in weaning weight
of kids. NO Rumensin:
weaning weight is 50 lbs, and with the blocks, 60lbs on pasture no feed.


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Rumensin also protects from Toxoplasmosis: a protozoa infection that causes abortion.
Rumensin kills it in the gut before infection can occur.
Rumensin kills the gram positive bacteria that cause liver abscesses. It will enhance feed
utilization; because, there is never damage to the absorptive surface of the small intestine
from coccidiosis.
Rumensin is passed through mother's milk, and protects those kids from birth, preventing
damage, and allowing kids to grow at their optimum. It is not approved for lactating dairy
cattle, but not dairy goats milked for human consumption, because Elanco has not gotten
to it.
I have horses, and have always had horses. We had show goats and cattle at the house for
years, and feed for horses, was in the same barn as the goat and cattle feed. The girls had
a skull and cross bones on the feed barrel for the goat feed, and did not let any one feed
goats and horses who was not cautioned.
Just because you are using Rumensin feed for goats does not mean your equines are in
danger. TAKE REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS.
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Why worry at all? Put out the Rumensin blocks, or Sweetlix meat maker
mineral with Rumensin if you can't find a good Rumensin feed. The Rumensin
Cattle block has a copper level compatible with goats, and selenium too. It
also have Vitamin A, D, and E in it. My goats on pasture do much better with
it on board, and the kids will wean at 60 lbs in 12 weeks with the blocks,
and 50 lbs without them.
It is toxic to equines.

Ringworms
       Posted by: "Mona Enderli" m_enderli@hotmail.com mon_end
       Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:43 pm (PDT)


       If there is a John Deere tractor dealership near you, pay them a v isit and buy a can of
       Fluid Film. It's a small can of lubricant, but all you have to do is spray the ringworm daily
       and it will kill it v ery quickly. Most kids that run the show circuit keep a can in their show
       boxes


Synchronize does

       Posted by: "ncsu12779" ncsu12779@aol.com ncsu12779
       The 2 shot method of giving lutalyse is used if the doe does not respond and come
       into heat after the first shot. It depends on where the doe is in her cycle as to
       wether or not the lutalyse will cause her to come into heat. There has to be an
       active corpus luteum (CL) present on the ovary for lutalyse to work properly. The
       does will normally come into heat within 24-72 hours after the first dose if the
       doe has a CL present. If she does not come into heat give another dose of lutalyse
       10-12 days after the first shot and the doe will come into heat. I recommend to
       give 2 ml (cc) of lutalyse IM when trying to bring
       does into heat or to abort them. If you do not like to use lutalyse you can use 1 ml
       (cc) of PG 600 and it will do the same thing.If the does are pregnant when you



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       give the lutalyse the doe will probably come into heat 1-3 days later, but will not
       conceive. For every 30 days a doe is bred she needs 2 weeks to try to get her
       uterus back into shape to get bred. If a doe is 30 days bred lutalyse her and give
       her 2 weeks before trying to breed her, if 60
       days bred give the doe 4 weeks after the lutalyse shot before trying to breed her.
       Dr. Steven Matthews
       Matthews Mobile Veterinary Services

Scours
Worms, coccidiosis, and bacteria cause scours.

Always check for anemia, and then treat for worms/anemia as needed.

Second: if there are no worms, or anemia, treat for bacterial scours. I use
Neomycin sulfate: 200mg/ml first: 5cc per 100lbs oral once a day, with Pepto
Bismol 20-30 cc, and 10cc Polyserum SQ.. If no improvement is seen in 24
hours, take fecal sample to the vet for culture and sensitivity. It is most
likely Salmonella if it does not respond to the Neomycin.

Coni Ross
Coccidiosis does not usually stink. Coccidiosis scours can be very bad, even
progress to bloody and dead. Treatment with Sulfadimethox is usually very
fast treatment. In 24 hours, the goat is better. E coli us much worse: E
Coli scours do not respond to sulfa drugs, and sometimes not to Neomycin. E
Coli causes fever, serious dehydration, and fast progresses to clear amber
liquid scours. What I do is give Polyserum or Bovi Sera, and Nuflor oral as
well as SQ along with Banamine and Pepto Bismol. E Coli is severe, and very
quickly can become life threatening.

Salmonella is suspect when the symptoms are the same as above but does not
respond to Neomycin or Nuflor. Ampicillin is drug of choice, Polyserum, and
Pepto Bismol.

If severe scours occurs, it is always best to have a culture and sensitivity
done of the feces, and treat prophylacticly with Polyserum and start with
Neomycin and Pepto Bismol using the Nuflor if necessary until the culture
and sensitivity is back.

Coni Ross
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:37 am (PDT)

I do not use Magic for anemia. I use black strap molasses mixed with enough
warm water to get it down. Also if you give a scoop of Calf pac each day,
the goat is less likely to scour from the molasses. Keep in mind: scours



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from molasses is non pathogenic, that is, the goat is not sick.
2cc B12 IM per week, then B12 in the molasses and Calf pac will go a long
way.

HELP!!!! - Runny yellow/green scours??
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Biosol (Neomycin) works well: 5cc oral per 100lbs mixed with 15cc Pepto
Bismol. IF Biosol does not work in 24 hours, then have the fecal sample cultured, it
is likely Salmonella. I would still give 3cc CD antitoxin, and 3cc Polyserum SQ.
Be sure it is not worms. As I said before, the first suspect is worms, the
second coccidia.
Re: Help-Little Buck w/runs
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
For scours I use Biosol 200mg/50 lbs mixed with Pepto Bismol, and given oral every day
for 4-5 days. If Biosol does not work, you need to take a sample of the stool to the vet,
and have him do Culture and Sensitivity. Biosol will kill Coccidia, E Coli, and most
everything else, but not Salmonella. I use Polyserum, or Bovi Sera, not "Goat Serum."
The Goat serum does not have a list of the bacteria covered on the label. Polyserum and
bovi Sera both cover E Coli, Salmonella, and the Pasturellas that cause pneumonia.




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Sudan Poisoning

    Posted by: "pmotes@rocketmail" pmotes@rocketmail.com pmotes.rm
    Sudan grasses can cause poisoning following a frost/freeze.

    http://netvet.wustl.edu/species/goats/goatpois.txt

      Cyanogenetic Plants
       These contain under certain conditions, prussic acid (hydrocyanic
      acid), a deadly poison which interfers with the oxygen-carrying ability
      of the blood. Death in these cases is usually rapid and with little
      outward symptoms. Members of the prunus family of plants, especially
      wild cherries, are dangerous. Peaches, plums and other stone fruits
      belong to this group of plants. Wilting of the green leaves caused by
      frost, storm damage, or by cutting, changes a glucoside found in the
      leaves to hydrocyanic acid (HCN) and sugar. The sweet, wilted leaves
      are thus more attractive to animals than normal foliage. HCN content
      varies widely; but under some conditions a few handfuls of leaves may
      be enough to kill a horse or cow. This type of poisoning should be
      suspected when sudden death of animals follows windstorms or early
      sharp frosts. These leaves apparently lose their poison after they
      have become dry; the limp, green or partially yellowed leaves are the
      most dangerous. Sudan grass and sorghums are also cyanogenetic plants.
      These plants are usually deadly when damaged or frozen. Aftermath
      sprouts following an early frost are particularly dangerous. Very
      little sudan grass poisoning occurs from animals trampling down plants
      and later eating them although this is often listed as dangerous. In
      dry weather, sudan grass is often pastured to the ground without ill
      effects. After sudan grass has been repeatedly frozen and the plants
      are completely dead, it is safe but not very valuable for pasture.

        Once frozen, sorghum, sorghum sudan hybrids, or their aftermath
       should never be pastured. As long as the plants show any green color
       they may be very poisonous. Both frosted sorghum and sudan grass can
       be best and most safely utilized by ensiling them for at least two
       weeks before feeding. Normal ensilage fermentation safely eliminates
       the poisonous principle.

    Under other circumstances sudan grass/hay is perfectly acceptable for livestock
    grazing/eating.




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Swollen Knee
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Sometimes fast growing kids have a swollen knee: Epiphysitis, which is usually because
the calcium phosphorus ratio is off. Leave it alone, and it will usually go away if it is only
epiphysitis. Do not let any one tap it with a needle or draw off fluid, or you may really
have an infection.

Tapeworms
       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net
       The goat and sheep tape worm is in the vegetation. The mite that stings your arms
       when you gather fresh hay is the intermediate host. So they all probably do have
       tape worms. I usually only worm for tapes, once a year in spring or summer, with
       Synanthic. I use 7.5cc/100lbs one time. Stomach worms need the three days in a
       row for an effective kill.

       Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net
       Tractor supply sells Droncit for cats and dogs to kill tape worms. Cat and
       dog tape worms are almost impossible to kill, and the Droncit is one thing
       that will.



Tetanus
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Goats with TETANUS can be treated. I use massive doses of Penicillin, and
Tetanus antitoxin. For a 50lb kid, I give a vial of Tetanus antitoxin twice
the first day, 10cc Poly Serum and 10cc Penicillin SQ. IT takes 7-10 days
of this to make them well. Be sure to clean and treat the area of entry to
the body. If it is a castration site, I recommend cleaning with Peroxide
mixed 50:50 with 7% Iodine. If the animal can't drink, tube it with Revive
mixed 50:50 with water. If it is a kid, I mix non fat dry milk with the
Revive and tube it with that. I have found them down, and saved them
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
You can cure Tetanus. First, tickle the eyelashes. If the third eyelid flips
across the eye, that is what is going on. I give an entire vial of tetanus antitoxin: it comes
in a little box of 10 vials. You give the entire vial SQ, 10cc Penicillin for a big kid, 15cc
for an average size doe, and 20cc SQ for a big doe or a buck. Give the antitoxin
twice the first day, and once a day thereafter (an entire vial) until the goat is recovered.
Give the penicillin every day until recovery. Keep in a cool shaded area. If the goat can
not drink, tube it with Revive mixed 50:50 with water in the am, and milk in the pm. I use
plain non fat dry milk mixed 1 cup milk powder and 3 cups of water. Make sure the goat
gets a minimum of half a gallon of fluids a day in some form. This could also be wooden
tongue. A splinter or some sort of other injury to the mouth causes an infection. IT causes
a black abscess of the tongue, and calcium forms around this making the tongue



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immobile.(to put it simply) I give Polyserum, or Bovi Sera to any animal that has
something like this going on.


Thiamine dosing
       Posted by: "Lady4Wheel@aol.com" Lady4Wheel@aol.com Lady4Wheel
       Here's something out of my files. I have more, from Coni, if you want it:

       Mg per Ml? / Ml vs Cc?
       Let's look at a real life situation. You go out to feed in the morning and
       your $2,000 boer buck is laying on his side. Thiamine Deficiency [goat polio]
       or Listeriosis [circling disease]? Who cares? It's cheap to treat for both
       and he will die if not treated immediately. Penicillin is easy to calculate but
       the Thiamine is another story...

       The treatment for Thiamine Deficiency is related not only to body weight but
       also to the concentration of the product you will be injecting. The dosage
       is 10 mg/kg every six hours for at least 24 hours. One kilogram equals 2.2
       pounds so if your buck weighs 200 lbs, just divide 200 by 2.2 to get 90 kilos.
       So now we know that the 90 kilo buck needs 10 mg of thiamine per kilo or a
       total of 900 mg of thiamine every 6 hours. Seems simple enough until you read
       the label and discover that you have a 100 ml bottle of thiamine solution.
       "Nobody mentioned milliliters!"

       Never fear. A simple equation will reveal the proper amount of so lution to
       use. Now... My bottle of Thiamine Hydrochloride is 200 mg/ml. If I divide the
       required dosage by the concentration per ml I arrive at the number of ml
       (same as cc) to inject every 6 hours. Like this: 900mg/200mg = 4.5 ml which also
       equals 4.5 cc.




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Urea – feed tag
     Re: Question? Urea & Molasses
     Posted by: "Jentsch" Jentsch@dishmail.net hmjentsch
     "Supplements for goats may contain urea. Urea is a nitrogen -containing compound that the
     bacteria in the ru men of goats can convert into microbial protein, which then can be used by the
     animal. Feed co mpanies add urea to make a supplement cheaper. This is one of the reasons why
     the cheapest supplement may not necessarily be the best supplement. The urea costs less than
     other protein sources such as canola meal or soybean meal.

     If a supplement contains urea, the feed tag will show this. The feed tag will have something like
     32 - 18 on it, which means the protein content of the supplement is 32 % and that 18 o f the 32 %
     comes fro m urea. The feed tag may also indicate 18% ECP, which means the 18 % protein is
     Equivalent Crude Protein. Urea is best fed to kids on high grain diets once they weigh 65 lb. If you
     want to feed urea, contact a nutritionist, as urea can be toxic if overfed. "

Tape Worms
     Re: Tapeworms
     Posted by: "DOTTI" DOTTI36@FRONTIERNET.NET rhyan1234511
     Tue Sep 2, 2008 2:54 pm (PDT)
     You can use safeguard at 1cc/10lb for 3 days.



Urinary Calculi
     UC Questions - help
     Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
     Thu Nov 6, 2008 4:19 am (PST)

     The recipe that I use is much more concentrated.

     One large purple onion diced

     6 cloves garlic finely diced,

     Juice of 6 large lemons

     Heat on low heat in a corning ware or stainless pot ,with lid on until
     onions are clear. Strain and drench with the entire contents.

     Treat at least 3 times a day.

     Posted by: "Marita Wittkopp" RockingWGoats@centurytel.net
     rockingwgoats
     Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:11 am (PDT)



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I give Banamine for the pain, dexamethasone for the swelling, and
pencillin. Drench with a tsp of ammonia chloride in a little water,
2 to 3 times a day, Can cut the pischer thing off, if necessary.

Do drenching with Coni's purple onion recipe also. Top dress the
feed with ammonia chloride. Also check for the Calcium to phosphorus
ratio in the feed and hay.

Re: Onion formula
Posted by: "Vicki" boorah26@yahoo.com boorah26
Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:00 am (PDT)

This was in a post that was Coni's treatment.

1. 3 lemons

2. 3 garlic cloves peeled

3. 1 red onion ( 1/4 piece of onion

4. 1/2 cup of water

Squeeze the lemon juice out of the lemons. Into a blender, then add the 3 garlic
cloves, and onion. Add water and blend well because you don't want to plug your
drench gun. Simmer for about 15 minutes on the stove in a sauce pan. Drench
goat every two hours. It's acid base, so it dissolves the stone (calculi) quickly.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
The following is from Pat which is what we used today because it was the quick
and easy to prepare.

      Juice of one Lemon

      2 Tablespoons of Baking Soda

      1 Cup of Water

Drench the buck with 20 cc, 3 times a day the first day, 2 time a day for two days,
then once a day until the urine is full and steady. Keep it up, every other day, then
twice a week, if the animal is comfortable and has a successful flow.




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    This is an old recipe that my grandfather used to use in the 30s. My dad swears it
    works every time. We've only had one buck with UC, and it definitely worked on
    him. But we did catch it early - when he very first starting having problems. He
    had it once - and never had it again (although we were always concerned). We
    dosed him for close to a month....kept him for another year plus.


    Treatment Pete Peters has used on his bucks

    Mix 2 teaspoons of ammonia chloride in a 20 ounce coke bottle filled
    with hot water. Shake it until dissolved. Drench with all of it once.
    Says has never had to repeat.

Vaccines
    CL
    I understand you can buy it from Dr. Laird Laurence in
    Fredricksburg at 830-997-9576. This is the only way to avoid this again

    Covexin 8
    The dosage for Cov exin 8 is 3 cc for the initial dose and 2 cc for the booster. It is safe
    to use on the doe kid you just v accinated. The dose for the Super Poly Bac B Somnus is 1
    cc for the initial dose and 0.5 cc for the booster.

    April Muse
    The annually booster is 2 cc.



    Poly Serum
    Newborns

    Jan, on newborns.we use to give Goat Aid after we tried Nutri Drench, but
    Coni introduced me to Dextrose and Poly Serum to the newborns instead. You
    know what they are getting and in those other ones they do not give all the
    ingredients. Dextrose is sugar/water goes directly to the brain and gives
    them a boost. Poly Serum is a great antibiotic for many things. Both are
    given orally. 3cc Dextrose and 2cc of Poly Serum. That is all we ever gave
    the kids unless there was something wrong and then you get into treatments.

    Bottle babies are given CD Antitoxin and Poly Serum (3cc and 2cc) in their
    morning bottle daily. It is given every 2 to 3 weeks until they reach 12
    weeks at weaning and then you start their vaccinations.

    Ray and Jannette Wood



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Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@moment.net coni_ross
Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:07 pm (PDT)
       First: goats do not have permanent immunity from vaccine until they are
       12
       weeks old. If you vaccinate prior to that, it lasts about 2 weeks. That is
       why I give bottle kids 3cc CD antitoxin and 2cc Polyserum every 10-14
       days.
       It does not matter if the dam was boostered or not. Bottle kids nibble at
       everything, and it exposes them to a lot more than a kid on the doe is
       exposed to.

       Also, I don't know what vaccine you use, but plain CDT vaccines tend to
       cause more 'break over' (vaccine failure). I use Covexin-8, and have
       recently switched to Calvary 9. I like the Calvary 9, because of the
       reduced
       vaccination bumps, and because it is a 1cc goat dose, since a 2cc dose is
       enough for a 1200 lb cow.

         If I were you, I would start those kids on the CD antitoxin and Polyserum
         Now, and they should be ok until they are old enough to vaccinate.
pneumonia vaccine
Posted by: "Coni Ross" crranch@texas.net
Super Poly Bac B Somnus is a cattle vaccine. The label dose is 2cc SQ for
cattle. If you use this dose on goats, you will have abscesses from it. I
use 1ccSQ for the first vaccination, and half a cc for boosters, given SQ
between the forelegs
From: "Coni Ross" <crranch@texas.net>
Subject: CDT vaccines, when to vacciante
First, there have been many recent vaccine failures with Bar Vac, and Anchor. I
switched to Covexin 8, because there has been no break over from it, and it covers
8 Clostridials, including Tetanus. Because of the carrier in the vaccine, there are
sometimes bumps at the injection site. I give a 3cc initial dose, and a 2cc booster
3 weeks later, and there are few bumps with this dose. I called my vet, and he did
some research, and we decided on this dose. I have had no break over in the past
two years with this vaccine. If the does are vaccinated 3-4 weeks prior to kidding,
the kids will have colostrum immunity to the diseases until they are 12 weeks old.
The immune system of a goat does not develop enough to have permanent
immunity until it is 12 weeks old. You can vaccinate sooner, but you still have to
do it at 12 weeks, and 15 weeks, or the kids are not covered. For kids who's dams
were not vaccinated, it is best to use CD antitoxin 2cc SQ every 2 weeks to
protect them until they are old enough to vaccinate. Goats can die of
Enterotoxemia whether they are fed or not. I have seen kids born on pasture die of
Enterotoxemia when the does were not fed at all. It is a bacterial infection, and
you will loose the fattest, fastest growing kids (always the best one of course). I
have consulted on cases where the producer has never vaccinated, and didn't think
it was necessary, and lost 80 kids in 48 hours, and had no idea why. The goats


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were on pasture with no supplement in spring when pasture quality was good. So
do what you want, but I booster the does prior to kidding, then the kids




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