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                       THURSDAY, 5 NOVEMBER 2009




The House met at 14:00.

The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment

of silence for prayers or meditation.


                           NOTICES OF MOTION

Mr G R MORGAN: Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next

sitting day of the House I shall move:

  That the House–

  (1)   notes the drastic increase in the poaching of rhinos in South

        African protected areas during the last two years;

  (2)   debates the issue of the poaching of our wildlife; and
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  (3)   comes up with possible solutions to reduce the incidences of


Mr M MNQASELA: Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next

sitting day of the House I shall move:

  That the House debates the need to assess and analyse the

  successes, challenges, opportunities and threats of our

  proportional representative parliamentary electoral system and the

  implications thereon.

Mr P D POHO: Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting

day of the House I shall move:

  That the House debates the need for government to implement urgent

  steps to protect the rich architectural heritage of our country,

  in view of the very tragic fire that destroyed the beautiful,

  historic Rissik Street post office building in Johannesburg.

Mr I M OLLIS: Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting

day of the House I shall move:

  That the House –

  (1)   debates the current financial state and the future of the

        Sector and Education Training Authorities, the Setas; and
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  (2)   comes up with possible solutions for them.

Mr G P D MACKENZIE: Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next

sitting day of the House I shall move:

  That the House –

  (1)   notes that the water situation in cities in KwaZulu-Natal,

        served by the Umgeni River, namely Pietermaritzburg and

        Durban, is dire; and

  (2)   engages in a debate to determine what measures will be

        implemented to deal with the present crisis, as well as any

        that may be exacerbated by drought.

Mr G S RADEBE: Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next

sitting day of the House I shall move:

  That the House debates the matter of shifting the burden of the

  cost of education from the poor, with a view to ensuring the

  progressive realisation of free education.


                         (Draft Resolution)
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  That the House –

  (1)     notes that 9 November marks the first anniversary of the late

          Mama Miriam Makeba’s death;

  (2)     further notes that Mama Africa, as Miriam Zenzile Makeba was

          fondly known, died last year after suffering a heart attack

          while taking part in a concert in Italy;

  (3)     remembers that she was the first African cultural activist,

          and in 1965 was invited to testify about the situation in

          South Africa before the United Nations and that her

          articulate presentation earned her respect and virtual

          admiration from every African ambassador as well as


  (4)     further remembers that, more than any other African singer,

          Miriam Makeba was able to use her art as a weapon of the

          struggle and that her international stature contributed

          immensely to the worldwide campaign for sanctions and the

          isolation of the apartheid regime; and
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  (5)   believes that her outstanding contribution to African music

        and art and her fight against colonialism will be celebrated

        by the rest of the country and that the world will never

        forget Miriam, but will remember her as a songstress,

        tireless activist and selfless patriot.

Agreed to.


                         SWIMMING WORLD CUP

                         (Draft Resolution)

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Speaker, I move without notice:

  That the House –

  (1)   notes that the second leg of the Fina/Arena Swimming World

        Cup starts in Moscow, Russia, on Friday;

  (2)   further notes that in preparation for the event Darian

        Townsend set a new South African record in the 200m

        freestyle, at the Finnish Grand Prix over the weekend;

  (3)   wishes Team South Africa the best of luck during the World

        Cup; and
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  (4)     extends its undivided support to them during this event.

Agreed to.



                           (Draft Resolution)



  That the House –

  (1)     notes that 20 November marks the day on which the UN General

          Assembly adopted the Declaration of the Rights of the Child

          in 1959 and the Convention on the Rights of the Child in

          1989and that this day is recommended as a day to be observed

          as a day of activity devoted to promoting the ideals and

          objectives of the Charter and the welfare of the children of

          the world;

  (2)     further notes that in 2000 world leaders outlined Millennium

          Development Goals (MDGs), which range from halving extreme

          poverty to halting the spread of HIV/Aids and providing

          universal primary education, all by the target date of 2015,
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        and though the goals are for all humankind, they are

        primarily about children and Unicef notes that six of the

        eight goals relate directly to children, and meeting the last

        two will also make critical improvements in their lives;

  (3)   believes that the best interest of the child is paramount and

        that child-headed households should be given priority in

        child protection and care;

  (4)   supports the strengthening of childhood development centres

        and urges communities to understand and deal seriously with

        the rights of children; and

  (5)   commits itself to strengthening the current safety nets that

        deal with child poverty, ongoing murders, disappearances,

        abuse and neglect.

Agreed to.



The MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Hon Speaker, Members of Parliament,

ladies and gentlemen, for some time now I have been aware of the

wide-ranging comments on the implementation of the National

Curriculum Statement. While there has been positive support for the
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new curriculum, there has also been considerable criticism. This has

included criticism of teacher overload, confusion and stress. Most

worryingly, there is consistent evidence of widespread learner

underperformance in both international and local assessments.

When I assumed office as Minister of Basic Education, my predecessor

Minister Naledi Pandor had already initiated a process to review the

implementation of the curriculum. I accordingly appointed a panel of

experts in July 2009 to investigate the nature of the challenges and

problems being experienced in the implementation of the National

Curriculum Statement. This decision to review was based on our

commitment to improving the quality of teaching and learning in our

schools in both the short and long term.

The team was tasked to develop a set of recommendations designed to

improve implementation. I asked the team to focus specifically on

curriculum policy and guideline documents, the transition between

grades and phases, and assessment - particularly continuous

assessment. During the hearings they decided to include a

consideration of learning and teaching-support materials and teacher

support and training. A report has now been presented to me, which I

have accepted, and I have started a process of implementing its


The question on everyone's lips is why we do not, as Mamphela

Ramphele always wants us to do, produce the death certificate of
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outcomes-based education, OBE. I must say that we have, to all

intents and purposes, done so. So if anybody asks us if we are going

to continue with OBE, we say that there is no longer OBE. We have

completely done away with it. [Applause.]

I do not wish to be drawn into simplistic ideological debates on

this issue and forced into a disavowal of our goals. The question is

how we can disentangle our goals from the outcomes in which they are

expressed, and the very concept of outcomes.

It is instructive to remember that the introduction of both

Curriculum 2005 and the National Curriculum Statement were highly

contested. These involved professional, business and religious

constituencies. We should be steadfast and not let them determine

what is good for education now. In order for there to be learning

outcomes and educational experiences of the majority to improve, we

need to focus attention on dedicated, inspired teaching based on a

curriculum that is teachable.

The review panel reviewed documents and conducted interviews and

hearings with teachers from all nine provinces as well as with

teacher unions. They received electronic and written submissions

from the public. In the process of their consultations - that they

undertook across the country - there was a remarkable consensus

amongst teachers and unions about what the problems were. The team

also reports that there was an overwhelming sense of the overall
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commitment of teachers across the country to try to improve learner


The task team has recommended that the changes occur within a

framework of a five-year plan from 2010 to 2014. This plan needs to

be widely communicated. The plan will be shared with teachers before

the end of the year. I will present the recommendations within the

timeframes anticipated for implementation.

Some of the changes will take effect from January 2010. Some of the

recommendations to be implemented from the beginning of 2010 should

definitely bring immediate relief to teachers. Others will need more

planning and consultation. The emphasis is on ensuring that there is

more time for teaching and learning. Teachers will be relieved of

administrative burdens that impact on teaching time. The system will

provide systematic support to teachers to strengthen their teaching.

The measures to be implemented in January 2010 revolve around the

relief of the administrative burden on teachers, increasing teacher

support and improving literacy and numeracy. Allow me to provide

some of the details. Some of the details will be on our website and,

again, we will communicate them through the media and also copies

will be sent to all 28 000 schools in the country.

With regard to the relief of the administrative burden on teachers,

we are going to ensure that learner portfolios as separate, formal
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compilations of assessment tasks are discontinued from January 2010.

What the team found is that some of the assessment requirements that

we had placed on learners did not add any value, but instead

distracted both teachers and learners from the core function of the


We are also going to make sure that the number of projects required

as formal assessment tasks for each learning area is reduced to one

project per subject. We are also going to make sure that promotion

and progression requirements for Grades R to 12, as well as grading

descriptors for all grades, are finalised. The balance between year

marks and exams should be 50% for Grades 4 to 9, and 75% exam marks

for Grades 10 to 12.

Because there was a very strange anomaly in our system in which the

importance of textbooks in curriculum delivery was no longer

appreciated, the department has noted teachers' concerns that the

development of learning materials is best placed in the hands of

experts, because it is only people who are experts in their fields

of study that are best placed to develop textbooks and learning

materials. In this review teachers said that the development of

learning materials is not the core business of teachers. It also

erodes their teaching time. Therefore, textbooks are going to be

used as an effective tool to ensure consistency, coverage,

appropriate pacing and better quality in terms of instruction and

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There were also enormous planning requirements for teachers and

these are going to be rationalised. The review also suggested that

we must give more support to teachers - teachers being our tools of

service, and, more than anything, being the key element in ensuring

that we get quality education.

Some teachers have voiced the concern that they have not had

sufficient curriculum training. Targeted in-service training that

will be subject specific and targeted only where needed will be

provided for teachers from 2010. This in-service training will not,

however, under any circumstances be allowed to disrupt teaching and

learning. In-service training is built into the five-year plan for

improving teaching and learning and the department's plan for

continuing professional development training.

All principals, heads of department, district and provincial support

staff will be trained on the curriculum and content and assessment

requirements. Again, this will be built into a five-year plan for

improving teaching and learning.

The other matter that was raised through the review was the role of

the subject advisers as school-based subject experts rather than as

curriculum developers. This was because there was, again, an anomaly

in which subject advisers themselves had started papering on top of

the current curriculum. So what we are saying is that subject

advisers will only focus their work on the delivery, implementation
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and moderation of the curriculum. They will offer learning areas

subjects and support teachers only.

The major issue that has been affecting us concerns international

testing of literacy and numeracy. We are going to be implementing

the Foundations for Learning Programme from 2010. The programme

establishes the non-negotiables of resources, teacher planning and

effective teaching. The focus is on reading, writing and mental

maths each day, and on regular, standardised assessments of learner


The Department of Basic Education has developed extensive learning

and teaching packages for Grades R to 6 teachers to assist with

planning, teaching and learning. These packs will be distributed to

all primary schools at the start of the school year in 2010.

Moving beyond 2010 – from 2011 and beyond – the Department of Basic

Education will begin to concretise the following recommendations for

implementation. We will be looking at reducing the number of

learning programmes. This is because, again in the study, the review

committee raised concerns about the number of learning areas in the

intermediate phase - that our children are expected to jump from

four learning areas to about eight or nine learning areas. This is a

huge jump and creates a major problem in terms of articulation.

Therefore, moving forward from 2011, this will reduce the overload
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on learners and allow more time for language teaching and learning

during the critical transition from Grades 3 to 4.

All learners from Grades 4 to 12 will receive their own textbooks

for every learning area. The department will issue guidelines for

textbooks and distribution, and the selection will be done

nationally. There is a plethora of policies, guidelines and

interpretations of policies and guidelines at all levels of the

education system. Thus, the other matter that was raised by the

curriculum review was that we have to streamline our policy, clarify

it, and make sure that all of us have a common understanding and

interpretation of what is required of our learners.

The department will develop a set of simple, coherent curriculum

documents per subject per phase from Grades R to 12. This will

simply describe the content, the concepts and the skills that are

supposed to be taught. Anyone who has taught before will know what

we are talking about: the syllabi, which spells out what your aims,

your objectives, your learning areas, your methodology and your

assessments are in very simple and clear terms.

By addressing the curriculum implementation challenges, the Ministry

will create an enabling learning and teaching environment through

which we can focus on laying the foundations of quality education

for all.
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In addition to these reforms being monitored by the Presidency, the

department is developing its own monitoring tools through the

establishment of the National Educational Evaluation Development

Unit. Through this unit, the department will not only evaluate

schools and teachers, but evaluate the entire system. This will

enable the department, on an ongoing basis, to identify challenges,

and, working together with the affected stakeholders, address them.

I am encouraged by the undeniable dedication of our educators to

improving learner performance. I wish to reaffirm that teachers are

key to the realisation of quality education. I want to wish all

stakeholders well in our joint efforts to overcome the challenges,

which we have all collectively identified.

For learning outcomes and educational experiences of the majority to

improve, we need focused attention to dedicated, inspired teaching

based on a curriculum that is teachable. To make sure that as we

debate we have a common focus, we will focus on the curriculum as a

starting point because the curriculum is the core or the main

business of education.

We are aware of all the other challenges we are going to face in the

implementation of the curriculum that revolve around or start from

your infrastructure, your scholar transport, your motivation, your

dedication. We are saying we have to start with the main business of

education which is the curriculum.
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As we clear up the curriculum, we definitely have plans to ensure

that we remove all other obstacles that are going to affect the

curriculum. But my main focus is the major business of education,

which is the curriculum. Therefore, add on other measures to support

the curriculum like teacher support, learner discipline,

infrastructure and all other related matters. This is our starting

point, because the curriculum is the main thing in education. I

thank you, Speaker. [Applause.]

Dr J C KLOPPERS-LOURENS: Mr Speaker, I would like to start off by

giving credit where credit is due. Minister, the DA would like to

congratulate you on being bold enough to review the implementation

of the National Curriculum Statement and on making critical changes

with regard to it. [Applause.]

Thank you for being honest enough to acknowledge the necessity to

move back to the more conventional approach to education of earlier

times. More specifically, thank you for taking our education back to


Minister, your announcement of necessary changes to streamline and

simplify the administrational functions of teachers in the first

place, and the provision of structured systemic support in the

second place, should have been accompanied by proper planning by

your department. Recommendations and corresponding implementation
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plans should have been announced simultaneously. This is clearly not

the case.

You received an overwhelmingly positive reaction from Dr Mamphela

Ramphele this week for addressing shortcomings in education. She

called upon South Africans to support you in this regard. I now call

upon you, Minister, to support our teachers by communicating the

changes by means of user-friendly documents on the one hand, and by

appointing expert teachers to assist the department in doing so on

the other.

Many of the recommended changes will only be implemented in 2011. It

would, therefore, be premature to fully evaluate these changes, as

we are keenly aware of the fact that adaptations to certain

recommendations might occur during the refinement thereof.

Comments on certain aspects of the structure of the curriculum

resulted in some changes to it, for instance the number of subjects

for the Intermediate Phase were reduced. This resulted in the

incorrect perception that the entire curriculum has been rectified,

which is not the case. Problems regarding the Further Education and

Training phase were not addressed.

Adaptations and changes to the curriculum should be based on a

proper analysis in accordance with scientific curriculum development
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requirements and procedures and not merely as a result of

consultations with all the relevant stakeholders.

Minister, although your endeavours to address the many problems of

our dysfunctional education system are widely appreciated, you ought

to acknowledge that your intervention is merely crisis management

and a repetition of similar attempts by your predecessors.

I therefore strongly suggest the establishment of a fully-fledged

curriculum development unit by the national Department of Education.

The current curriculum development unit at the department, staffed

by learning area specialists for the General Education and Training

phase and subject specialists for the Further Education and Training

phase, is totally inadequate. A learning area specialist or a

subject specialist is not a curriculum developer.

Curriculum development is a science in itself and, therefore, such a

unit should be manned and served by trained, qualified and

experienced curriculum researchers. [Applause.]

Ms N Y VUKUZA-LINDA: Mr Speaker, Cope would like to commend and

congratulate the Minister on her speedy response to the curriculum

crisis and discomfort in the country. I must also say that the

Minister has pulled the carpet from under people, because she has

covered every track. It is also hoped that the recommendations of
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the review committee will eventually stabilise the education


Just so we do not forget, since the dawn of democracy, education has

gone through many facelifts, from slogan to slogan, from one

curriculum to the next, and I’m happy that the Minister has alluded

to that.

Throughout these many changes, one must bear in mind that we have

been producing tomorrow’s leaders who cannot, even among themselves,

agree on what curriculum they learned. It is also not difficult to

imagine what kind of a learner these changes have produced,

especially when you read reports that suggest the difficulties

learners have had in reading, writing and calculating. There is

nothing that is as dangerous as a country whose education is in a

state of perpetual repair. That is why today we are happy that you

have undertaken to walk this path together with us.

Let me re-emphasise the obvious, because you have already alluded to

the fact that the curriculum is not an end in itself, but a means to

an end, and for it to work, an environmental alignment also needs to

happen, so that the environment itself is relevant to the new ways

of doing things.

Minister, you must remember that habits take a long time to die, and

of course, words themselves are not deeds. So, because you’ve
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covered so many tracks, we would just like you please to bear in

mind that, as you go on together with us in executing your duties,

you must demarcate the role of a teacher between a teacher as a

trade unionist and a teacher as a professional. We must also

inculcate a sense of respect across the supply chain, and teachers,

as you say, must teach ... [Interjections.]

The SPEAKER: Order, hon members! Order!

Ms N Y VUKUZA-LINDA: ... and principals must crack the whip, and the

authorities themselves must do their work.

The role of monitoring, evaluation and governance in every school

cannot be emphasised enough, and for this role to be carried out,

everyone in the chain of command needs to be empowered. It is hoped

that the recommendations that have been introduced today will get us

back to where we started in 1994, enforcing the culture of learning

and teaching. Thank you very much. [Applause.]

Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Hon Speaker, hon Minister, the IFP supports your

initiative to review the curriculum, but as the owners of the

language I’m using would say, the proof of the pudding is in the

eating. We’ll wait and see whether what you have announced will

bridge the gap between theory and implementation, because for a long

time now our education system has been characterised by this
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widening gap between what we do here and the legislation that we

formulate, and the implementation of that same policy.

Having said that, the IFP is not in the habit of saying “we told you

so”, but let’s just go back and see what has characterised the

system until now. You say we no longer speak of outcomes-based

education, but what is the conceptual framework that we must now use

if there’s no OBE?

Let me say, looking back, that from its inception the OBE system has

been ineffective, and the Minister will agree with that. It has been

understood by neither the educators nor the district officials, nor

even the top officials of your department. You ask them what OBE is,

and they will scratch their heads. They will not just come out and

tell you what it is. Perhaps it is for this reason that we welcome

the Minister’s simplistic and well-understood review of this

curriculum. We welcome that.

We as the IFP did warn - I remember the Minister of Higher Education

was still my chairperson in the committee - when this OBE was

implemented, that it was not an appropriate education system for

South Africa, due to the country’s lack of resources such as

libraries, laboratories and all the other things that go with the

system. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
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Mr N M KGANYAGO: Speaker, the Minister did not use all of her

allocated 20 minutes, and I hope I’ll be given the rest of her

remaining minutes.

The UDM welcomes the overall direction of the Curriculum Review

Process announced by the Minister. The intention to simplify the

administrative load of teachers is a worthy objective and something

that the UDM wholeheartedly supports. These curriculum changes are

moving in the direction the UDM has been calling for, namely a back-

to-basics approach to education. It should be obvious that what we

need is for teachers to teach and for students to study.

We can only hope that these changes will signal the end of the road

for the ruling party’s disastrous flirtation with the so-called,

“outcomes-based education”. Employers and universities report that

many of the matriculants of this policy lack basic learning and

comprehension skills.

The other two important issues which need urgent attention are:

Firstly, government should reintroduce school inspectors, which is

the only way to address the casual disdain for proper education

prevalent at many schools.

Secondly, the current neglect of career advice at school level must

be revised Relegating such an important topic to the periphery of

the curriculum is only contributing to the hundreds of thousands of
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matriculants who annually leave school without having an idea of the

careers they intend to pursue. Thank you for the extra minutes.

Mrs C DUDLEY: Speaker, education’s significance in reducing poverty

and accelerating long-term economic growth makes it critical for

government to be on top of challenges facing the sector. The ACDP

commends the Minister on action taken in this regard. We support the

decision to implement the recommendations of the task team and are

impressed with government’s commitment to immediate changes, where


During the July debate on the budget for Education, the ACDP pointed

out that:

  One of the major problems with education today is that teachers

  are not allowed to be teachers. They are inundated with

  administration, lesson plans for every lesson, marking,

  assessments, and endless forms to fill out. Our children are

  assessed and assessed again, but they are not being taught. This

  rigid control dilutes the unique teaching ability of individual

  teachers and our children have become statistics and not learners.

The Minister’s reassurance that the intention of the changes are:

firstly, to simplify the administrative functions that teachers are

responsible for; and secondly, to provide structured systemic

support, is encouraging.
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The ACDP has always had serious concerns with the concept and the

implementation of OBE and we, therefore, welcome these new

developments. Thank you.

Mr R B BHOOLA: Speaker, education gives you tremendous power. We

want to congratulate the Minister on taking the education system

back to the basics; which are the three Rs.

The MF supports the collapsing of subjects. We believe it will

become more focused because our concern is, most importantly, the

practical implementation and transformation of this new system.

It is the end of the year, schools will be closing in the next 30

days, principals and teachers are preparing for examinations. When

will legislation filter down; and how do principals get oriented to

run the new school?

The practical implementation of collapsing the subjects means that

the different teachers of different subjects will now be asked to

teach different subjects. That is one of the problems teachers will

be faced with. Secondly, the problem of the different text materials

will, obviously, need to be revisited.

The MF, indeed, supports your notion and welcomes this new notion of

putting an end to the old system of education. However, Minister, we

would want you to be more proactive with schools and ensure that
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they are on board to deal with the new system. The MF will support

this. [Applause.]

Ms F I CHOHAN: Mr Speaker, hon members, I suspect that a lot of the

inputs we have had today were the result of prepared speeches gone

horribly wrong because the Minister sprung a surprise on us. Well, I

don’t want to respond to everybody, but I would like to make a few

comments on the speeches that were delivered here today.

In response to the hon Vukuza-Linda from Cope, I think it bears

noting that the review committee drew its expertise not only from

universities and practitioners, but from teacher unions themselves.

So, to suggest that teachers must either be teachers or union

members is a bit of a spurious debate. [Interjections.]

On the issue of the curriculum and policy research unit, Dr

Kloppers-Lourens is correct and one of the things that the

department is doing – you would know – is reorganising its

organogram to include a section dedicated to curriculum and policy


I think it merits some mention that, as much as Mr Mpontshane from

the IFP constantly refrains “we told you so”, I do think that when

you ask what outcomes-based education, OBE, is and what it isn’t,

and how confusing it all is; you would know better than me that when

we say that, effectively, OBE is taken out of the curriculum by and
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large, that does not mean that there is substantive change to the

curriculum because OBE is not about the curriculum, it’s a

methodology of teaching as opposed to what is in essence a

curriculum. So, in that respect there is consistency and certainty.

And, certainly, any radical changes to the curriculum would hamper

our success as opposed to amplifying it.

I think the following points concerning what the review is need

emphasis: Firstly, and many people have alluded to it, there is the

removal of administrative as well as assessment burdens on teachers.

I do think that that must be stressed. It’s not to say that there

won’t be administrative or assessment type work, but these have been

streamlined and, certainly, simplified in order to ensure that there

is more teaching time as opposed to time spent doing these other


Certainly, teachers will benefit from the clear outcome that has

been adopted from the report. That outcome is clear, uniform,

definitive and direct communication from the department, not

interpretations of those communications from the other ranks within

our governance structure. Regarding the role of subject advisers, I

think it is enormously welcome to teachers that there is a dedicated

focus on their support role as opposed to, perhaps, an evaluation

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With regard to the earlier introduction of the second language,

English, I think that this is also a very positive measure. It

certainly gives expression to the fact that when languages are

introduced at a younger age it’s easier for children to absorb those

languages. So, by the time they graduate to tertiary level, where

they will be primarily taking their lessons in English, they will be

far more conversant in the language.

Lastly, let me just say that the Minister has said that the task

team started a while ago. The one thing that people forget is that

when the Minister assumed office it would have been so easy for her

to sweep away what was old and to restart new processes, and so on.

I think we need to give enormous credit to you, Minister, for

looking at this properly, for sticking with it and then embracing

the good things that have come out of this report. I think that that

is something worthy of note and appreciation from this House. Thank

you very much. [Applause.]

Debate concluded.


                        (Member’s Statement)

Mr G S RADEBE (ANC): Speaker, the ANC condemns, in the strongest

terms, the pointless acts of intimidation, violence and destruction
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of public property, especially libraries, which has erupted after

the dissatisfaction due to the SRC election results at the

University of Zululand.

It is our view that an amicable political solution needs to be found

by the student organisations concerned, in order to restore

confidence and protect the credibility of elections at universities.

Furthermore, it is our view that the two student organisations

should prepare a joint statement that will indicate that there will

be zero tolerance for the destruction of public property and that

continued offences on the learning environment cannot, by any means,

be used as an expression to justify one’s dissatisfaction at the

outcome of a democratic process.

The ANC supports the process of finding political solutions to

political problems. Furthermore, it supports the Department of

Higher Education and Training, and most importantly, the

intervention by the provincial secretary of the ANC in KwaZulu-

Natal. As the ANC, we are calling for tolerance and a process of

engagement for both the SA Student Congress, Sasco, and the SA

Democratic Students Organisation, Sadesmo. I thank you. [Applause.]



                          (Member’s Statement)
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Mr J SCHMIDT (DA): Speaker, Eskom was scheduled to hold a press

conference at 13:00 today. An internal confidential memo was

circulated by Eskom this morning to explain the reason for this. The

memo reads as follows:

  Dear Colleagues, Mr Jacob Maroga has resigned as CEO of Eskom with

  immediate effect.


  The Eskom board is presently considering who will be acting on his

  behalf and will inform business in due course.

Minutes before the meeting was due to start, Eskom Chairperson Bobby

Godsell announced that the media briefing had been postponed. It now

appears that Godsell and other officials had been rushed to an

urgent high level meeting.

After it became clear that the Minister of Public Enterprises had

attempted to interfere in the process of getting Maroga fired, the

timing of that urgent high level meeting was startling. Are these

further attempts at political interference? Who exactly is attending

the meeting? Isn’t this just another shameless attempt by the ANC to

interfere in the failed public enterprise? I thank you. [Applause.]
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                        (Member’s Statement)

Ms A VAN WYK (ANC): Speaker, the ANC believes that moral

regeneration is an important principle needed to reduce crime. In

this regard, the religious fraternity can play a vital and leading

role. [Interjections.] I am glad to see that crime is now a laughing


As the ANC government steps up its war against criminals, the

National Commissioner, Bheki Cele, has roped in church leaders as an

important partner. The national commissioner urged church leaders to

join the crusade in the prevention of crime by invoking the

spiritual support needed by police in the execution of their duties.

The church and religious leaders can provide spiritual leadership

and direction through their sermons, by emphasising the consequences

of crime and police killings; and by empowering communities with

knowledge and information on, amongst other things, how to deal with

and prevent domestic violence.

The criminal onslaught against society and our democracy can only be

stopped if we fill all spaces in civil society and allow no room for

criminals. I thank you. [Applause.]
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                        (Member’s Statement)

Mrs J D KILIAN (Cope): Speaker, Cope calls on the Minister of

Communications to withdraw the controversial Public Service

Broadcasting Bill, which was secretly published on Saturday without

any consultation, not even with the SABC Interim Board.

Cope requests him to do so because the Bill spells the end of any

pretence that the SABC has editorial independence, but particularly

because it is also a technically flawed Bill. It is imposing a new

tax on South Africans, which makes this a section 77 money Bill,

clearly the responsibility of the Minister of Finance.

Not only does this overhasty publication demonstrate his flagrant

disregard for the Constitution, the public, this Parliament and the

role of the National Treasury, but it also illustrates the ANC’s

real intention to nationalise the public broadcaster.

Cope calls on the Minister to do the honourable thing; to admit that

he did not apply his mind before publication, to amend the Bill and

to reintroduce it through the proper channels. Currently, only about

3% of the SABC’s revenue comes from state coffers. The interim board

this week confirmed that the turnaround strategy, which relies
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heavily on good governance and financial accountability, will get

the SABC back to generating a profit by 2012.

Cope calls on the Minister to restore effective management rather

than to use the current financial crisis at the SABC as an excuse

for a power grab of the public broadcaster. I thank you.


                        (Member’s Statement)

Prof C T MSIMANG (IFP): Hon Speaker, an assembly at Freedom Park

today of many monarchs, not only from Africa, but also from other

parts of the world, is indeed an historic event. The fact that they

have come to honour our icon, uTata Madiba, symbolises a significant

link between traditionalism and modernism. It further demonstrates

that the system of traditional leadership is not incompatible with

modern democracy, as embodied in former President Mandela.

Furthermore, it is essential for us to recognise that in Africa

amakhosi are not a mere relic of the past, but a vibrant institution

that plays a meaningful leadership and administrative role,

especially in rural communities in the local sphere of government.

It is precisely at this sphere where conflictual relations between

amakhosi and izinduna on the one hand, and municipal councillors on

the other, need to be harmonised. I thank you.
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                          (Member’s Statement)

Mr N M KGANYAGO (UDM): Mr Speaker, the UDM is deeply concerned about

the increasing numbers of reports of police brutality. Incidents of

violence and death at the hands of the police are now reported

almost daily.

One example is the recent incident in which police shot and killed a

fleeing man who had not threatened them or anyone else. On the face

of it, that would constitute a cold-blooded assassination. Now the

ill-considered shoot-to-kill rhetoric of the hon President, Minister

and Police Commissioner is not in step with our democratic values.

Now that we are witnessing police brutality, we ought to be reminded

of how the old regime’s police acted with impunity. Indeed, we must

consider yet again why we put measures in place to prevent arbitrary

violence by the police.

We do not dispute that the police face dangerous and armed

criminals, but we cannot and should not fall for the deception that

indiscriminate police violence would solve our crime problems. We

are rapidly descending into a wild-west situation, where the

criminals and the police resort to open-fire warfare. It is the

citizens who are caught in the crossfire.
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Having another set of trigger-happy people running around will not

make the criminals less violent. Quite to the contrary, they are

more likely now to shoot first. Crime requires a holistic and

considered policy response, something which the ruling party has

failed to do. The one successful instrument, the Scorpions, was

dismantled by the ruling party. We are now paying the price for the

lack of a constructive crime-fighting policy. [Time expired.]


                        (Member’s Statement)

Dr S M PILLAY (ANC): Speaker, this ANC-led government, in its

commitment to transforming South Africa into a developmental state,

has initiated the formation of SA Express Airways as a state-owned

enterprise, SOE.

This state-owned enterprise is fulfilling its mandate in making

Southern Africa more accessible, within South Africa and the

neighbouring states.

We are proud to announce today that SA Express Airways has shown

good performance for the last financial year under review. As stated

by the Minister, they have fulfilled other mandates, like

transformation and other things. This airline is reporting a profit
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for the second time since it become a stand-alone state-owned


I stand here today to say that, in fulfilling its mandate to act

beyond providing transport, this state-owned enterprise has

initiated its Mach 1 and Mach 2 pilot training programmes. They even

train pilots for their big brother, the SA Airways, SAA.

The portfolio committee has requested SA Express Airways to extend

its programme and to actively advertise it, especially to Grade 9

students, so that learners can choose maths and science, and, again,

so that we can recruit our future pilots from previously

disadvantaged rural and underdeveloped areas, thus spreading hope of

an opportunity throughout South Africa. Together, we can do more.

Viva, SOEs, Viva!



                        (Member’s Statement)

Mrs C DUDLEY (ACDP): Speaker, as we prepare to debate global warming

and climate change today, the ACDP notes the following comments by a

leading sceptic of man-made global warming, who said the Group of
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Eight leaders have embraced a new movement he calls “climate


President Obama and other Group of Eight, G8, leaders promised in

October that they would keep temperatures from rising more than

6,3ºF or 2ºC above average levels of more than a century ago. They

also agreed to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 80% by 2050.

Marc Morano, Executive Editor of, says, “it is

ridiculous for G8 leaders to believe they have the power to turn up

or down the earth’s thermostat. This is the height of arrogance”, he

exclaimed, “this is the madness of our age, that world leaders,

including our own President, can go up there with a straight face

and act as though they can control the earth’s thermostat, act as

though they control nature.”

Morano compares the G8 leaders’ mindset to what he calls a “third

world mentality”. In Uganda, he says that they are blaming drought

and disease on angry gods, and that people are saying they need to

be educated. “Who actually needs to be educated here”, Morano asks,

“is it the Ugandans who blame bad weather on angry gods or is it

Western leaders who actually think they can control the climate?”

From the point of view of the ACDP, what began as an important call

to responsible stewardship of the earth has become more like a
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religion, as followers get more fanatical in their claims and

demands. Thank you.


                        (Member’s Statement)

Mr A M MPONTSHANE (IFP): Speaker, the IFP believes that the primary

and basic function of all unions is to care for their members. In

education, this means that unions must look after the interests of

educators and occasionally contribute to debates on policy. Any

other actions undertaken by these unions are questionable and should

be seen as meddling.

The IFP views the roles which have been played by some teacher

unions, like abandoning classes in order to campaign for political

parties, as detrimental to the provision of quality education at


A fundamental question should be asked: Why should a departmental

programme need a union buy-in? What happens if unions don’t buy in

or are unwilling to accept the departmental programme?

These questions must be asked and studied, together with the

proposal by the department to give unions funding for teacher

development. It must be remembered that some unions in South Africa
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are more eager to promote party political radicalism and less

interested in the promotion of teacher professionalism.

The department must not be seen to be promoting the meddlesome

inclination of some teacher unions by sidelining and ignoring the

empowerment of district officials who must be the department’s first

port of call when it comes to the implementation of educational

initiatives. [Interjections.] [Time expired.]


                        (Member’s Statement)

Ms M P MENTOR (ANC): The ANC-led government has initiated a

broadband infrastructure company as a state-owned enterprise to

expand the availability and affordability or access to electronic

communication network services to all parts of South Africa,

including the underserviced, the underdeveloped and the rural areas,

thus reducing the cost of doing business in South Africa.

The broadband infrastructure company was also set up to provide

bandwidth for special projects of national interest, including those

of the Department of Science and Technology, like the Karoo

telescope, etc.
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While we acknowledge that the Electronic Commerce Association of

South Africa, Ecasa, is still considering the electronic

communication services licence, we are proud to announce to this

House that on 9 October Ecasa issued the broadband infrastructure

company with an electronic communication network services licence,

which enables this state-owned enterprise to go out and fulfil its


All parts of South Africa can now look forward to a broadband fibre

optic network with expanded bandwidth that will take electronic

communication into the 21st century, at the same time bringing down

the cost of connectivity. It is also hoped that this network would

be used to expand services through it, like e-health, and e-

education, and that government departments will utilise this

opportunity to expand services to underserviced and rural areas. I

thank you. [Applause.]


                         PREMIER EBRAHIM RASOOL

                          (Member’s Statement)

Mr M MNQASELA (DA): The DA has been the subject of criticism from

the ANC, and I must say that some members are, in fact, sitting here

in this Parliament. Hon Marius Fransman and the former Premier of

the Western Cape, hon Ebrahim Rasool, have been accusing the DA of
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firing members of the Western Cape government unjustly. The DA would

like to strongly refute these claims. It is untrue, and it is

complete nonsense. [Interjections.]

The terminations of employment were based on the provincial

government of the Western Cape receiving the final outcome of an

investigation by Herold Gie attorneys, regarding the role played by

the provincial government officials in the unlawful establishment of

the Erasmus Commission of Inquiry by former Premier Ebrahim Rasool

against the City of Cape Town. This is what we are trying to do

here. We have provided well-documented proof to that effect.

The institution of this investigation was the result of a

consultation with legal services between the Premier of the Western

Cape and the office that provided that information. Now, I want to

say that, based on the findings of the recommendations on the

investigation, the provincial administration has reached a

settlement with some officials, and one of them is Shanaaz Majiet,

who has voluntarlly left government without being pushed by the

government. Thank you very much. [Interjections.] [Time expired.]

Mr C T FROLICK: Speaker, on a point of order: The statement that the

hon member has just made reflects on two members of this House, and

the Rules state that this requires a substantive motion. I ask you

to rule on the matter, please.
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The SPEAKER: The point of order is correct.

Mr M J ELLIS: Speaker, I don’t believe that it reflects on the

members of this House as they are. It reflects on what they were

before they came to this House. [Interjections.] The other important

point is that the statement itself refers to matters as they stand

at the present time and not to things that are about to happen in

the future. I really do believe, sir, that Mr Frolick is not correct

in his assumption.

Mr C T FROLICK: Speaker, there is no such report in front of the

House that the hon member is referring to, and in the statement of

the hon member no distinction was drawn or reference was made to the

previous lives of those members before they came to Parliament.

The SPEAKER: The point of order is sustained.

Mr M MNQASELA: Speaker, let me just rephrase this. [Interjections.]

What I said is that the former Premier of the Western Cape ...

The SPEAKER: Hon member, withdraw the remarks.

Mr M MNQASELA: I withdraw. Thank you.


                        (Member’s Statement)
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Mr L RAMATLAKANE (Cope): Cope has always maintained that policemen

and women must receive support from all of us in the fight against

crime. Cope has always unequivocally and in the strongest possible

terms condemned attempts to kill or the killing of police officers.

Cope has consistently warned the ruling party not to continue with

its shoot-to-kill instruction because of its inherent danger. With

the President’s shoot-to-kill instruction, this government has to

take full responsibility for the injury and death of innocent

people, leaving children without mothers and fathers, as has been

demonstrated by some killings that have already taken place as the

police were obeying this instruction.

We have said we should not frogmarch the people on the road to the

past or Vlakplaas, flouting the Constitutional Court ruling, and

government stands accused. Yesterday’s newspaper and the Independent

Complaints Directorate, ICD, are revealing the horrors of

Mpumalanga, KwaMhlanga, Atteridgeville where Khothatso was busy

polishing shoes when he was shot and killed. We all know and

remember the story of Olga in Pretoria.

We want all the people to know that Cope stands for peace, not for

violence. We must build the people’s movement towards peace in our

country and community with all the people as co-creators of a

peaceful society. Government must enforce the buddy system, where
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all the police and law enforcement personnel work in fours and

pairs. [Time expired.] Thank you. [Applause.]


                          (Member’s Statement)

Ms N GINA (ANC): Chairperson, the ANC supports the introduction of a

sustainable early childhood education system, which spans both the

public and private sector, and gives children a head start on

numeracy and literacy. As such, the ANC-led government aims to spend

R524 million to fund the roll-out of textbooks for pupils in the

general education and training band, in the poorest 60% of schools,

for the 2010 school year and beyond to boost literacy and numeracy

in the early grades.

These textbooks will guide teachers on the sequence and pace

required to complete the curriculum more effectively and will

benefit the learners who do not have access to textbooks. There are

over 3,5 million of these learners. The books will include daily

exercises and will be available in all 11 official languages. This

initiative is in line with the ANC government’s aims to ensure

progressive realisation of universal schooling, improve quality of

education and eliminate disparities. I thank you. [Applause.]
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                        (Member’s Statement)

Mrs D VAN DER WALT (DA): Chairperson, it is disturbing that

prominent ANC members of this House and the Limpopo legislature have

managed to secure state property intended for historically

disadvantaged individuals at discounted prices. It has come to the

DA’s attention that the following MPs and MECs acquired these

properties from the Limpopo legislature’s Disposal of Redundant

Properties project launched in 2000-01.

In this document, which includes the former MEC for Transport and

the current MP and chair of a portfolio committee in this House,

former MEC for Public Works – Semenya - former MEC for the SAPS –

Magadzi – and former ... [Interjections.]

Mr C T FROLICK: Chairperson, on a point of order: This point of

order touches on similar matters as the previous statement of the

DA. This statement once again refers to Members of Parliament and

requires a substantive motion. I think this is very clear in terms

of what we are dealing with.

Mr M J ELLIS: Madam Chair, may I address you on this?
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Yes, hon member.

Mr M J ELLIS: Mr Frolick needs to tell us which Members of

Parliament are being referred to at the present time. We are

referring to former MECs of provinces. There is no reference here to

the names of any Member of Parliament. Mr Frolick is now trying to

take advantage of his previous point of order. He is wrong on this

occasion, Madam Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order! But if I heard the

member very well, she said “the former member who is the chairperson

of Transport”. Didn’t you say that?

Mrs D VAN DER WALT: No name, Chair. I didn’t mention any name. I

said “former MEC in the legislature” quite correctly.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order! Can I get clarity on

whether the report is before any committee of this House?

Mrs D VAN DER WALT: No, Chair. The report is before the

legislature’s Portfolio Committee on Public Works and not this


The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order! But my understanding

is that if you refer to a former member who was an MEC and who is

now a member of this House, you must therefore have a substantive
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motion. That is my understanding. We know the member who is now the

chairperson of Transport in this House.

Mrs D VAN DER WALT: Chair, I withdraw the statement on the current

MP and would like to continue by saying “former MECs in the Limpopo

legislature”, which I’m allowed to say.

May I please continue, Chair? I’m almost done. [Interjections.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order! Hon members, I think

whenever we make statements and also when we want to mention people

– whether these are former members or not – a report must be made

public if those people can’t respond for themselves so that

everybody will know about the contents of the statement before one

makes it. Therefore, hon member, I am not going to allow you to

continue with your statement if you insist on referring to former

members or members of this House.

Mrs D VAN DER WALT: Chair, it’s fine. I will withdraw the names I

have mentioned. This is all over the media today anyway; so it

doesn’t matter. I will just continue to say “former MECs of the

Limpopo legislature”.

It is a shocking indictment on the ANC members’ concerned. This

should not have happened at all. The DA requests that these members
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return the properties or pay market-related prices determined by an

approved evaluator. Thank you, Chair. [Applause.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order! Hon member, before

you take your seat, I have ruled that you can’t refer to former

members, particularly when the report has not been dealt with by the

legislature or whoever. Even if the report is in the newspapers,

this is not a matter that should be debated or presented as a

statement in this House. Therefore, I want you to withdraw that


Mrs D VAN DER WALT: Chair, I have no problem withdrawing the

statement. It’s in the media anyway. So, I withdraw.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order! Hon member, I said

you must withdraw the statement. Just withdraw the statement, hon


Mrs D VAN DER WALT: I withdraw, Chair. [Applause.]

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Thank you. [Interjections.]

Ms F I CHOHAN: Chairperson, may I address you on a point of order?

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order! No, hon member. The

member has already withdrawn the statement. [Interjections.]
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Ms F I CHOHAN: It’s another point of order, Chairperson.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): What is the point of order,

hon member?

Ms F I CHOHAN: Chairperson, you made a ruling and the member

continued in the same vein. I want you please to rule whether that

is parliamentary.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Hon member, the member has

already withdrawn the statement. Based on that, this will not be a

point of order anymore because she has already withdrawn the



                          (Member’s Statement)

Mr E M MTHETHWA (ANC): Madam Chair, the ANC remains committed to

stepping up measures to fight corruption within society, the state

and the private sector.

On Wednesday, 19 August 2009, the Land Bank presented its turnaround

strategy which it hoped would reverse its financial woes. The
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situation was taken under management of the Treasury last year after

it has been engulfed by allegations of mismanagement and fraud.

As we speak today, four forensic audits have since been commissioned

and this report has been submitted to the Serious Economic Offences

Unit of the SA Police Services and the Hawks.

The ANC requests the Minister of Finance, Pravin Gordhan, to

speedily finalise the investigation on the matter so that the

turnaround strategy can be implemented as a matter of urgency so as

to enable the bank to chart safely through the challenges that lie

ahead. I thank you. [Applause.]



                       (Minister’s Response)

The MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Madam Chairperson, I have a

response from my colleague on the matter that was raised regarding

the University of Zululand. Minister Nzimande said that I should

indicate that the department, through the officials, is engaging

with the stakeholders on the matter at the University of Zululand. I

would like to tell this House that, indeed, he has condemned in the

strongest terms the destruction of property by learners. He has made
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a call that the university should be calm and return to normality.

That is what he wanted me to communicate.

There was also a matter which came from the IFP member about the

role of unions in education. I do want to agree with him. It is very

disappointing that some elements in teacher unions have the tendency

to hold the department hostage. I have raised these concerns with

MECs and have instructed them to take appropriate action, especially

in instances of ill discipline.

I agree with Mr Mpontshane that the posturing by different

individuals from different unions is completely unacceptable and

should not be allowed. I have been involved in consultations with

different stakeholders, especially the affected teacher unions. We

hope that we will be able to get a remedy, because I fully agree

with his sentiments.

But on the point where he spoke about consultations with

stakeholders being unnecessary, I fully disagree with him.

Consultation with stakeholders, especially teachers, is crucial.

Teachers are at the coalface of delivery and it is important for us

to ensure that they understand the policy and that they should be

able to guide us. Again, I agree with him that it does not give them

a licence to want to hold the department hostage or threaten us when

there are no disagreements. [Applause.]
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                         (Minister’s Response)

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF TRANSPORT: Chairperson, I would like to thank

my colleague and comrade from the ANC benches who reminded us of the

excellent performance of SA Express Airways, the state-owned

enterprise entity. It has performed extremely well and it has shown

a significant profit this year.

As he reminded us, its success should not just be measured in terms

of profit. It also has the very significant, strategic and public

role of linking our country to the region and the region to our

country, encouraging tourism and job creation in South Africa, and

indeed, in our region.

This performance is particularly remarkable in the current global

climate in which no fewer than 30 privately-owned airlines have gone

into liquidation over the last two years. It is important to

underline this, because coming from the opposition benches, again

today, but throughout the time, what they are trying to do is to sow

demoralisation around the public sector and public ownership of

entities. [Interjections.]

We have heard about other failed entities, Eskom and the SABC. Of

course there are challenges in some of our state-owned enterprises.
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As the ANC government, we were the first to admit that, and we are

trying to deal with that. The reasons underlying many of the

problems in these publicly-owned enterprises today in South Africa

have everything to do with bringing in private sector consultants

like Coleman Andrews in the case of the SAA.

The problems we are dealing with within the SAA now date back to the

ill-advised advice and practices of Coleman Andrews from the United

States, bringing in private sector criteria and so forth.

[Interjections.] Therefore, I would like to commend the member from

the ANC who raised the importance of SA Express Airways. Let us

learn important lessons from this success. I thank you.



   (Consideration of Report of Portfolio Committee on Science and


Dr E N N NGCOBO: Madam Chairperson, hon Ministers, hon Deputy

Ministers, hon members and guests of Parliament, I stand before this

House to introduce a Report of the Portfolio Committee on Science

and Technology on the Consideration of the Shortlist of Candidates

for Appointment to the SA National Space Agency Board, dated 28

October 2009.
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Matters pertaining to space are very important in the new era of

technological development. Indeed, as was covered by the Minister

yesterday, we have already launched a satellite that is revolving

around us, giving images of what is on African soil, in particular

how our communities are enriched with this technology in terms of

agriculture, economic growth and climate change related problems.

Our satellite gives data four times a day about what is happening

around the continent. We have people in the African member nations

who are benefiting from this satellite and have already engaged in

satellite time affiliation, paying back air to our space technology


Matters pertaining to space are not necessarily limited to climate

and economic growth, but they are also about security. The Israelis

have a company called Romeo Yankee Limited where they develop

vertically taking off and landing, VTOL, cars. These are air cars

that are able to fly up to an altitude of 8 000 feet. They are

divided into two categories called Turbo Hawks and City Hawks.

The City Hawks can be parked on normal car parking bays, but they

can also take off from the suite and fly over at an altitude of

8 000 feet. Turbo Hawks are more adapted for security measures in

high buildings. Since Israel is faced with wars from its neighbours,

they have developed Turbo Hawks which can fly high and come down and

travel on the road. This is how air space can be used for security.
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We feel that in South Africa, with the development of our space

agency, we need to have a board with capable men and women.

Therefore, it is for this reason that the Portfolio Committee on

Science and Technology - having considered the shortlist of

candidates for appointment to the SA National Space Agency Board in

terms of section 7(1)(c) of the SA National Space Agency Act, Act 36

of 2008, which was referred to the committee on 07 October 2009 -

today reports that the committee held meetings on 21 and 28 October

2009 on the above subject. The department had received 94

applications and has shortlisted 25 candidates.

During the committee’s deliberations on 21 October 2009, members

raised concerns about the lack of shortlisted candidates who fall

within the vulnerable groups and people with special needs such as

persons with disabilities. The committee subsequently requested the

department to, in future, consult organisations working with persons

with special needs. Fortunately, the department was able, in a very

short space of time, to address this question by identifying and

discussing this with the board that deals with disabled people in

South Africa.

After discussions, the department forwarded the name of Mr Vincent

Gore to the committee. He replaced Ms Limpitlaw Justine who withdrew

her application, due to personal circumstances. The Portfolio

Committee on Science and Technology felt that the department had

addressed some of the concerns raised by members and, therefore,
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approved the list that was submitted, with Mr Vincent Gore replacing

Ms Justine. I therefore appeal to the House to ratify the list as it

appears on the Order Paper. We thank the Minister for her efforts.

Thank you. [Applause.]

There was no debate.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: A request for a declaration of vote has been

received. Parties have up to three minutes each. I will now

recognise the parties that wish to make declarations.

Declaration of Vote:

Ms M R SHINN (DA): While the DA supports the shortlist of candidates

for appointment to the SA National Space Agency Board, we have

reservations about the number of military specialists on the list.

When the Minister of Science and Technology considered appointments

to the Board, we urged her to wait with her final selection in

favour of earth science researchers and communication specialists.

The department’s strategy for 2009-10 states that South Africa can

be a major contributor and partner in the global space, science and

technology sector through this agency. It has mentioned South

Africa’s growing satellite industry and a range of space innovations

has been key to this, as well as our research institutions
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innovations and earth observation, communication, navigation and


We heard the Minister in this House yesterday talk about the

government satellite that we use to give scientists information that

will enable us to better manage our natural resources for the

socioeconomic benefit of all South Africans.

We urge her to approach the selection of the Space Agency Board in

the same spirit. The first aim of the agency is to promote a

peaceful user space. It wants to research space, science,

communications, navigation and space physics.

Why then does the shortlist include men whose expertise includes

biological warfare, weapons of mass destruction and missile

engagements? These are legitimate skills in defence industry

application development, but they are not a priority in addressing

South Africa’s developmental needs. They belong in the private

industry not on statutory boards.

One of these military men has no place on any statutory body and

that is Mr M C Zondi, who is a Deputy Director-General in the

Department of Defence and a Head of the Defence Supply Chain

Integration. Yesterday, the DA wrote to Minister Pandor urging her

to drop him from this shortlist as Mr Zondi currently faces an

investigation by the SA National Defence Force Inspector-General for
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tender irregularities. He is also facing a civil suit in Gauteng for

awarding a contract without it going out to tender.

We are not associating the other military board applicants with Mr

Zondi’s action, but we urge the Minster to wait with her final

selection on the Board in favour of peaceful users of space

technology. [Applause.]

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question before the House is that the

following shortlist of candidates be approved for consideration for

appointment to the SA National Space Agency Board: Mr F Anderson, Mr

L Annamalai, Mr T Buthelezi, Prof G de Wet, Mr Z Fihlani, Dr E Gavin

(Adam), Ms J Lawrence, Mr V Gore, Mr R Louw, Mr M T Magugumela, Mr P

Maine, Ms N Majaja, Dr J G Malan, Captain M Mamashela, Dr L

McKinnell, Ms L Mogudi, Mr N Mbangiseni, Mr T Ratsheko, Dr R

Scholes, Ms R Sekese, Ms S Sekgobela, Ms C Sharpe, Dr K B Siziba, Ms

V B Titi and Mr M C Zondi.

Are there any objections? There are no objections. The shortlist of

candidates will be forwarded to the Minister of Science and

Technology for consideration.

Question greed to.

The following shortlist of candidates accordingly approved for

consideration for appointment to the SA National Space Agency Board:
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Mr F Anderson, Mr L Annamalai, Mr T Buthelezi, Prof G de Wet, Mr Z

Fihlani, Dr E Gavin (Adam), Ms J Lawrence, Mr V Gore, Mr R Louw, Mr

M T Magugumela, Mr P Maine, Ms N Majaja, Dr J G Malan, Captain M

Mamashela, Dr L McKinnell, Ms L Mogudi, Mr N Mbangiseni, Mr T

Ratsheko, Dr R Scholes, Ms R Sekese, Ms S Sekgobela, Ms C Sharpe, Dr

K B Siziba, Ms V B Titi and Mr M C Zondi.

                       THE PLANET’S EMERGING


           (Debate on global warming and climate change)


members, and Ministers, it is indeed appropriate that we are

debating the issue of climate change today. In Barcelona delegates

from countries all around the world, including our own delegation,

are working around the clock, trying to find common ground in order

to reach an agreement that will allow us to establish a new

international climate regime in Copenhagen in December. It is proper

that we pay tribute to this South African team that is holding the

flag high not only for this country, but also for Africa.

Before we deal with this and, in order to contextualise it, it would

be important to go back and understand why this issue is so

important for the world, for our continent and for our country. It

is now understood that global warming that creates changes in our
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climate and in our weather patterns is caused by an accumulation of

greenhouse gases, such as carbon and methane, released into the

atmosphere. These gases are released through activities such as the

burning of fossil fuels and the clearing of land for development and

many other human activities. They remain in the atmosphere for many

years and create a greenhouse effect in that they prevent gases from

escaping and cause temperatures to rise and, in turn, icebergs to

melt and weather patterns to become unpredictable. Under these

circumstances, we get increased extreme weather events such as

floods, droughts, hurricanes and tornadoes.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, IPCC, was established

as a global scientific body to research and report on climate change

and its impact. The IPCC’s fourth assessment report has identified a

set of issues of key importance for us. In the first place, they

identified the fact that, in order to avoid irreversible and

dangerous climate change, global temperatures must not be allowed to

rise above 2 degrees of preindustrial levels. This is equivalent to

a concentration of about 450 parts per million of carbon

concentration in the atmosphere.

They also identified that, in order to achieve this, the developed

countries of the world would need to reduce their greenhouse gas

emissions by between 25% and 40% by 2020 and by 80% to 95% by 2050,

while developing countries would need to reduce their greenhouse

gases to below their business as usual path by 2050.
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I met with nongovernmental organisations on Tuesday, and they gave

me a petition on the global target of 350 parts per million, which

is quite ambitious. Furthermore, the IPCC has identified Africa as

the continent that will suffer the most serious impacts of climate


This vulnerability is both at the level of the physical impact in

relation to changing weather patterns and extreme weather events

such as floods and droughts, as well as the capacity of Africa’s

people to build up resilience to withstand major changes in such

factors as their access to water and changes in weather that would

harm agricultural production and destroy livelihoods.

South Africa is no exception to this, and the work done by our

scientists in taking forward the IPCC conclusions indicates that we

will experience unpredictability of weather conditions, a rise in

sea levels, serious impacts on our water resources and our

agriculture, as well as changes in the distribution of pests with

serious impacts on the health of our people.

Climate change is a global issue. In order to bring down the

concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, all the nations

of the world must agree to work together and to take action. This is

the Copenhagen challenge. We, as a country, are committed to playing

our part in the global effort to address climate change, both in

relation to ensuring that we are prepared to adapt to the negative
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impacts of climate change, as well as reducing our greenhouse gas

emissions in the future.

We are working on a national climate change policy, and we look

forward to tabling this in Parliament for national consultation

during the course of 2010. This policy will include the programme

and actions needed for both adaptation and mitigation and we will

set out the roles, responsibilities and actions of all spheres of

government and all key departments and sectors.

A central element of this national policy will be to build on the

long-term mitigation scenarios. This work has identified a

trajectory that would allow our emissions to rise from about 450

parts per million currently to about 550 parts per million in 2020

to 2025. We would then want them to stabilise at that level for

about a decade on the basis of a range of low carbon interventions

in the way we run our economy, and we would then want to see them

decline in absolute terms from about 2035.

In order to do this and given the high levels of fossil fuel

dependence at present, we would need substantial assistance from the

international community, in relation to financing for low carbon

initiatives in particular, as well as technology transfer and access

to technology.
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In this context, we are pleased to announce that South Africa has

secured a concessional loan of $500 million, which will leverage

another $1 billion, that will allow for major low carbon investments

in a concentrated solar power plant, wind power and in enabling the

private sector to invest in energy efficiency and build a solar

water heating industry.

It is worth noting that South Africa is already doing a lot to

reduce its dependence on coal. Renewable energy is part of our mixed

energy policy. We have invested a lot of money to modernise our


It is our hope that the negotiations currently underway in

Copenhagen would further support the roll-out of such actions, as

well as enable us to take early action to adapt to climate impacts.

With finances made available, we have the potential to do more. We

can enhance our technology capacity, we can co-operate with other

countries to produce clean technology locally, in the process

creating jobs and developing skills for our people.

These negotiations are taking place in two parallel tracks: the Bali

Action Plan and the Kyoto Protocol. The Kyoto Protocol is an

instrument of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate

Change that provides for developed countries to take legally binding

actions while, on the other hand, it ensures bolder actions from

developing countries.
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For Africa, we have a serious concern. Weak emission reduction

targets from the developed world will mean that the two percent

centigrade rise in temperatures will happen with potentially

devastating consequences. For Africa and South Africa, our continued

development and survival requires the developed world to play its

part. It is in this context that the Africa walkout of the

negotiations earlier this week took place. It resulted in a renewed

focus on targets and numbers for a mission to clear reductions.

In the Bali Action Plan negotiations, countries are trying to find

agreement on how to enhance implementation of the convention in five

key respects. Agreement is needed on a shared vision and long-term

global goal for missions. Developed countries are not signatories to

the Kyoto Protocol. Those that are not, like the United States, must

take on a mission reduction that is comparable to other developed


Developing countries have agreed to take voluntary and nationally

appropriate mitigation actions, a programme that will ensure that

adaptation is given equal priority. At this stage in the

negotiations, there is a substantial way to go to find an acceptable

agreement. In particular, the developed world is trying to shift the

burden of emission reductions to developing countries, and it is

also not putting adequate financial commitments on the table.
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Chairperson, we need to be clear that a developing country, such as

South Africa with its challenges regarding the need to develop in

order to achieve growth and poverty eradication, insists on its

carbon space. While agreeing on the need for us to take action on

climate change and reduce our emissions, we cannot enter into an

agreement that will not allow us to move forward as a nation. We

also cannot sign up to an agreement that does not recognise the

priority of adaptation. I thank you. [Time expired.] [Applause.]

MS M M SOTYU: Chairperson before I start with my very short speech,

I would like to tell the Minister that she has put South Africa on

the map. We have just arrived as a joint portfolio committee from

three countries: Washington, Copenhagen and Swaziland. In all these

countries, we were told that you are one of the best negotiators in

Africa. [Applause.]

Climate change is a major threat to sustainable growth and

development in Africa and the achievement of Millennium Development

Goals, MDG’s. Therefore urgent action is needed. Although Africa is

the continent least responsible for climate change, it is

particularly vulnerable to the effects, including reduced

agricultural production, worsening food insecurity, the increased

incidence of both flooding and drought, spreading diseases, and an

increased risk of conflict over scarce land and water resources.
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Sis Pam, i-climate change ke kukujika-jika kwemozulu xa kumana

kubakho iimvula, izikhukula iinkanyamba phaya eMpumakoloni nalapha

eNtshona Koloni, kunjalo nje iNtshona Koloni iza kuba lixhoba lezo

zikhukula kwixesha elizayo. Yiclimate change ke leyo mhlobo wam.

(Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)

[Sis Pam, climate change is a change in weather patterns, such as

rainfall, floods, tornados which occur in the Eastern Cape and the

Western Cape. The Western Cape will be a victim of those floods in

future. That is climate change, my friend.]

More efforts will be needed to work out the costs of the impact of

climate change and to inform and sensitise domestic audiences.

Support from development partners is needed to assist Africa to cope

with these effects. Action on a broader range of issues is also

needed by the wider international community, by multilateral,

bilateral development agencies and by African governments


Although South Africa is not an Annex 1 country, that is ...

... into ethetha ukuthi ...[which means ...]

... we are not legally required to commit to emissions reduction

under the Kyoto Protocol, it acceded to the Kyoto Protocol in June

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South Africa’s noble intention to mitigate climate change derives

from its unique position in the climate change regime. For example,

South Africa is Africa’s greatest emitter of greenhouse gases, as it

depends on coal for power production, despite the fact that

emissions from the African continent are low and expected to remain

so in the immediate future.

South Africa’s high emission profile on the African continent is

attributable to the overall large size of its economy as well as the

coal dependency of its energy economy. South Africa is the most

industrialised country in Africa.

Baza kusinceda nabo batshaya kakhulu babengathi batshaya kancinci

ukuze sincedisane. Amalahle la siwasebenzisa kakhulu necuba nalo

silithathe kancinci kuba kaloku umsi nawo uyasenzakalisa.

(Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)

[The chain smokers will also help us by reducing their rate of

smoking. Our coal and tobacco usage must be reduced because the

smoke endangers us.]

To this end, the ANC’s position on environmental issues is reflected

in the Reconstruction and Development Programme, RDP. It is this

vision that has informed the various policies, programmes and

actions of the ANC-led government since 1994.
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During the apartheid years, the vast majority of our people bore the

brunt of poor sanitation, were located in the areas where the most

polluting industries existed, and were denied the basic right to

defend themselves against harmful activities. The ANC’s vision has,

therefore, sought to embrace a transformative environmentalism based

on the ideas of sustainable development, which is built on the

interconnection of environmental, social and economic justice.

In this regard, and acting in concert with governments,

international bodies, Pan-African structures and international

environmental bodies, the ANC has played a leading role in shaping

global debates. This has been through our – albeit limited –

participation in the Rio Earth Summit, followed by our country’s

hosting of the momentous World Summit on Sustainable Development in


At these historic forums, the ANC has consistently championed a

progressive response to the environmental dimensions of development,

particularly climate change, facing Africa and the countries of the


There will be massive socioeconomic consequences that will impact

greatly on Africa. These include increased poverty, diseases, water

scarcity, food insecurity and agricultural losses. Hon Phumzile

Bhengu will mention the impact on the poorest of the poor,

especially women in rural areas.
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Significantly, there is now general scientific agreement that the

African continent has, in recent years, been showing all the signs

of climate change. These are increasing frequency of floods, the

rise in sea levels, increasing frequency of droughts, water

scarcity, loss of biodiversity, and irregular frequency and severity

of climatic conditions.

Many African regions and countries will, therefore, lack the

capacity to generate effective adaptive responses to changes that

climate change will bring. In South Africa itself, the impacts of

climate change are predicted to include a reduction in rainfall and

an increase in droughts on the western side of the country.

It is, therefore, critical that the SA government and Parliament –

as Parliament also has a role to play in this regard – factor these

aspects into their planning. The key elements of future

international frameworks should include initiatives on emissions

trading, technology co-operation, actions to reduce deforestation

and adapt to climate change.

Co-operation between and amongst SADC countries include, among

others: renewable energy resources, information and communication

technology, transport and fisheries and the fight against HIV/Aids

and malaria.
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There are a number of protocols in the region that can guide the

development of African positions on Africa’s problems. African

countries’ heads of state can begin to use existing mechanisms to

deepen and enhance its adaptation and mitigation strategies in the


While South Africa contributes to climate change, its historical

contributions are minimal compared to those of developed countries.

South Africa needs to provide hospitals, schools, roads and other

infrastructure and social development to its previously

disadvantaged communities.

The role of legislatures is critical, as was stipulated in the

December 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference, in that

international agreements are the base documents that define national

policies and pieces of domestic legislation. South Africa is

fortunate in that, unlike other countries on the continent, the

committee has a good communication relationship with its Ministries.

This then allows the legislatures to make inputs and undertake

oversight over the relevant treaties and conventions that will guide

committees’ work on climate change.

The reason for us coming up with this statement is because, when we

visited some of these countries, we discovered that most of their

members of parliament don’t have a clue about the agreements that

exist between their and other countries because of the lack of
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communication between their ministries and parliament. In some

instances they would claim that their country is not part of

something. However, when one does some research and retrieves the

minutes of those agreements, one discovers that that specific

country is part of the agreements. It would seem that their

parliament is not aware of those agreements because of lack of

communication between the ministries and the parliamentarians.

Therefore, parliaments have an important role to play in enacting

sound legislation that can protect the environment, lead to the

attainment of sustainable food security and reduce poverty.

As I have said to hon Frolick, these are some of the proposals which

we, as Members of this Parliament, drafted: Firstly,

parliamentarians must ensure the strengthening of government

institutions through better integration of legislation and policies

to build long-term adaptive capacity and resilience against food

shortages. This should include the mainstreaming of climate change

into all government departments that contribute to or are impacted

on by climate change.

Secondly, we must ensure that climate change considerations inform

all policy decision-making across government. Thirdly, we must

ensure that disaster management mechanisms are fully operational.

Lastly, parliamentarians should play an information and advocacy

role on climate change issues within their own legislatures. The SA

Parliament has, to date, made inputs into national pieces of
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environmental and energy legislation, but international agreements

need further engagement by our Parliament.

Whilst Copenhagen negotiations by South Africa are quite advanced in

terms of growth without limits scenarios and are required by science

scenarios, there is still a need for legislatures to play a role in

this process. For legislatures, the importance of assessing the

outcome of the deal in Copenhagen and making recommendations in

undertaking oversight over the new deal is critical. Like the

parliament of the United Kingdom with the promulgation of the

Climate Change Act, one needs to begin to look at legislatures’ role

in providing information to government on mitigation and sustainable


On 7 September the portfolio committee held a video conference with

the Parliament of the UK regarding issues of climate change, in

order to learn from other countries on how to deal with issues of

climate change in a country.

As representatives of the citizenry and through their oversight

functions and constituency offices, parliaments are in a better

position to identify and respond to societal needs. Parliamentarians

are also responsible for holding the executive and government to

account by overseeing their work and ensuring that they do not

infringe on the rights of citizens and waste state resources. The
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oversight work also affords parliamentarians an opportunity to make

informed decisions on issues of national importance.

As Parliament, we are responsible for approving the national budget

and, therefore, have a major say in how state resources are

allocated. This gives Parliament the authority to ensure that

substantial resources are allocated to the sectors that are of

importance and of relevance.

Through their involvement in the budgetary process, parliamentarians

must advocate for an increase in government funding for research on

and implementation of adaptation and mitigation studies. They must

ensure that Parliament allocates more resources to public education

and awareness at all levels, and integrate environmental education

across government departments.

They must explore the use of innovative mechanisms to increase

funding for adaptation and mitigation at the national level. They

must encourage development partners to ensure that their development

assistance does not create negative environmental impacts. In

addition, development assistance programmes should be reformed to

support mitigation, disaster risk reduction, and adaptation


From theory to practice, the following initiatives are guiding the

work of the lead portfolio committee, the Portfolio Committee on
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Water and Environmental Affairs, to devise a 5-year plan which will

incorporate the following aspects relating to climate change: The

portfolio committee will set up a multi-party, inter-sectoral

committee on climate change and sustainable development in the

Parliament of the Republic of South Africa; it will undertake public

hearings, debates, seminars, set up video conferences like the one I

have just mentioned; it will hold joint public hearings with other

select and portfolio committees.

These public hearings are going to be held in South Africa on 17 to

18 November 2009, and we have invited university students who are

specialists on issues of climate change to come and participate in

these hearings; and it will hold a mini conference will be held on

16 to 17 February 2010 to address the outcome of the December 2009

Copenhagen negotiations.

The portfolio committee is to have a dialogue with the relevant

select and portfolio committees on the formation of the committee on

climate change and sustainable development, in order to forge a

programme from these discussions. We have learnt that, in most

countries, there is a unit or a commission or a select committee –

call it what you will – that exists in their parliaments which deals

specifically with issues of climate change and energy. I think we

just need to sit down and plan the composition of the committee or

unit that we would like to have in our Parliament.
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In conclusion, I believe that this Parliament will have a delegation

of all committees that are affected, starting from environment,

agriculture, science and technology, through to energy. Actually,

every committee has a role to play in issues of climate change,

right up to the committees on health and social development. Every

one of them has a responsibility when it comes to issues of climate


Then, I would also like to take this opportunity to thank our

Speaker who delivered a keynote address at Copenhagen in which he

committed South Africa to leading Africa. [Time expired.] Thank you.


Mr G R MORGAN: Chairperson, our democracy has emerged from a long

period of injustice, inequality and discrimination. We know more

than most countries what it is like to fight for justice, but there

is another battle that now needs to be fought, and that is for

climate justice. The climate change challenge that confronts us

today, and which at its current trajectory will lead to, most

probably, a climatic disaster, is also characterised by the need to

simultaneously overcome inequality and discrimination.

Legislators in this Parliament at the end of the 21st century will

judge us here today on how successful we were in simultaneously

addressing climate change and reducing poverty. While the majority

of the focus of the Copenhagen climate negotiations will be on
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getting the developed countries to commit to ambitious, binding

emissions reduction targets, let us not forget that we too have to

adapt to climate change and play our role in mitigating it.

It must be noted that 75% to 80% of the costs of the damage from

climate change will be carried by the developing world. Climate

change will most acutely be felt in Africa, where 95% of agriculture

is rainfall dependent. The other likely effects, including the

higher incidents and frequency of extreme weather events, will be

equally devastating. I trust, therefore, that everyone in this House

will take climate change seriously. Whether we like it or not, it is

going to force its way high onto the agenda of both government and


As Graeme Wheeler, the Managing Director of Operations at the World

Bank noted, the financial crisis originated in the developed world

and contaminated developing countries, and so too did the

concentration of greenhouse gases.

The climate negotiations now underway are particularly complex

because they involve at the same time serious equity and moral

considerations as well as difficult issues of sequencing and


We are confronted with forging a post 2012-climate deal at the same

time as the world is in recession. Public sector debt to Gross
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domestic product, GDP, ratios is on a dangerous path in many

countries and politicians in the developed world worry whether

mitigation measures will weaken the economic recoveries of their

countries. They are also worried about the domestic fiscal impact of

large financial transfers to developing countries for the purposes

of adaptation.

Investment in transforming the world’s energy systems will be

substantial if we are to prevent global warming beyond two degrees

Celsius. What do we need out of the Copenhagen process this year? We

need ambitious quantified emission reduction commitments from

developed countries and nationally appropriate actions by developing

countries such as South Africa that meet the scale and urgency of

the challenge.

We need delivery, at the scale required, of financial and

technological support from developed to developing countries,

through public finance and market mechanisms, to help developing

countries adapt to the impacts of climate change and to mitigate

emissions in a way that is consistent with development goals.

We need an improved review and enforcement mechanism that will

strengthen delivery and allow commitments and actions to be enhanced

in response to the latest scientific and socioeconomic information,

in accordance with the principles of equity and common but

differentiated responsibilities.
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It is important to look at how South Africa is doing in response to

the climate change challenge. It is a general belief that our

government is performing admirably at the international

negotiations. The domestic front is less impressive.

While we, through the long-term mitigation scenarios, have an

understanding of what South Africa needs to do to ultimately reduce

its own emissions in the period after 2030, how we are going to get

there remains unclear. No doubt after the climate negotiations are

complete government will begin to table its plans in more detail,

but let me sound a warning, and that is, the longer we take to

respond to reducing our emissions the more difficult it will become.

The investments we make today- and I am thinking here particularly

about the love affair that Eskom has with building new coal power

stations – will lock us into a particular emissions trajectory for

years and years to come. Therefore, even if we only plan to reduce

actual emissions many years from now, we need to make our

investments now in a way that allows those reductions to happen


There are, however, many initiatives that legislators in this House

must drive as soon as possible. We need to insist on higher

industrial efficiency standards; we need to strengthen the building

of appliance energy standards; we need stricter vehicle fuel

standards; and we need to unblock the blockages that are preventing
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a massive private sector uptake of renewable energy. In this regard,

Eskom must be tackled head-on.

Just because Eskom has had a monopoly on producing and distributing

electricity in the past we must not accept that this situation

should continue into the future. If we want to guarantee our energy

security in the future and diversify and decarbonise our energy

supply in accordance with what scientists tell us to do, then Eskom

is not the solution. How can we trust an entity that has planned so

poorly in the past to secure our energy security today, with our

energy security in the future?

Cabinet is due to release its integrated resource plan for

electricity any day now. There will be significant comments around

this document, but we need to look at it critically look at it

through the climate change lens. Responding to climate change in the

electricity sector will be best achieved by a combination of both

public and private sector players.

This House is not yet ready to provide the type of oversight on

climate change that is required. Climate change is crosscutting. The

response must not only come from individuals and the private sector,

but from various government departments, including energy, water and

environmental affairs, trade and industry, transport, science and

technology, and agriculture, forestry and fisheries.
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There is, in my opinion, therefore a need to create a special

climate change committee in the National Assembly. Its members

should come from all the critical portfolio committees, and they

must be capacitated to understand the science and the economics of

the challenge.

As Sir Nicholas Stern has said “inaction is more costly than

action”. We must confront the climate change challenge. When

legislators at the end of the century look back at this Parliament,

we should be known as a Parliament that built a foundation for a

country that is sustainable, climate proof and prosperous. Thank

you. [Applause.]

Ms H N NDUDE: Mr Speaker, I think that the only thing the

chairperson of our portfolio committee omitted in her report was to

say that in the absence of the hon Komphela we were able to play

host to 2010 and we sang Shosholoza.

To worry about painting a house when a mighty boulder on the peak is

just about to take a tumble in its direction, is to confuse one’s

priorities horribly. That is precisely what is happening with us. We

are arguing about clinging to untenable technologies to preserve our

ailing economy. Yet we are about to lose our very climate, our

biodiversity, our natural capital, our low-lying coastal regions,

our agriculture and our future. The rock is about to tumble.
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Global warming, through the emission of greenhouse gases, is

acidifying our oceans. The livelihood of our fishermen is at stake.

Fish on our tables might be a thing of the past. Scientists have

been projecting that within 20 to 50 years the western parts of

South Africa will become progressively drier. It is already

happening now. Drought in parts of the Western and Eastern Cape has

been intensifying for the past few years.

However, what we are seeing now is only the tip of the iceberg. We

will experience prolonged and more damaging droughts in the western

parts of South Africa with greater regularity. Life, as we know it,

is about to change in a terrible way.

So too is the landscape. The deserts in South Africa are annually

encroaching onto our arable land at an alarming rate. It will come

as a shock to our nation to know that the United Nations Environment

Programme classifies more than 90% of South Africa as arid, semi-

arid or sub humid. That leaves us with only 10% of our territory for

major economic activity. And we are even stressing that small

portion of our common inheritance. It’s a shame.

Equally alarming is a report by South Africa’s National Botanical

Institute suggesting that land in 25% of all magisterial districts

in South Africa is already severely degraded. Tiny climatic changes

in such areas will cause the total collapse of agriculture. As the

increasing desertification continues, it will reduce the ability of
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such land to support life, human beings, wild species, flora,

domestic animals, and agricultural crops. It is crunch time. If our

biodiversity suffers, and our biodiversity is worth billions, our

present and future prosperity will be imperilled.

To have a successful economy a country has to have natural

resources, its natural capital. The greatest resource in this period

of climate change is water, yet water in our country is wasted.

Water is polluted. Water is overused. Sadly, many agricultural,

industrial and commercial concerns are simply not bothering to

implement environmentally sustainable strategies. Yet, as everyone

knows, ecology is everything. Ecology, however, is very fragile. To

destroy ecology requires neither knowledge, nor time, nor effort.

Once destroyed, it is difficult to re-engineer.

In a survey conducted by Terra Nova Research, more than 40% of the

200 companies surveyed in South Africa did not have any plans to

incorporate ways to measure their impact on the environment. Our

entire economy is in jeopardy because this government is not giving

centrality to climate change in our economy. Climate change is not

peripheral to economic planning. It is pivotal.

Cope is very clear about what needs to be done. Cope recognises that

water is the basis of life and of all activities. We also recognise

that climate change is already here. We would, therefore, as part of
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the activist state that we are, promote, support and develop

desalination plants all along our shorelines.

As Cope, we will make the use of solar geysers mandatory throughout

South Africa. Poor households, however, will be assisted with solar

geysers. A million solar geysers, at a cost of about R20 billion,

would help to do away with a new coal burning power station costing

R40 billion or more. This can be done immediately. Besides, each

household will be able to slash 50% of its electricity bill. Heads

or tails, the consumer wins.

Another priority will be to give considerable support for the Joule,

the new all South African electrical car. Cope will also immediately

standardise battery packs so that it will be possible for

manufacturers to achieve cost-effective volume production of

standard packs. If the cost of battery packs comes down through

volume, so will the cost of the car. This is critical. Maybe one of

the things we need to do is to encourage lift clubs so that we can

minimise the number of cars emitting gas on the roads. This requires

no more than political will.

Also, one of our priorities will be to invigorate the production of

photovoltaic systems. This can be done through achieving economies

of scale and the use of manufacturing infrastructure that is already

in place. Bringing down the price of photovoltaic systems will be a

great boost to our economy seeing that we have so much solar
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radiation in our country. The only inhibiting factor is the cost.

Achieving economies of scale will alter that scenario instantly and

induce more people to go the photovoltaic route.

Another priority will be to press ahead with wind turbines. Tardy

members of our government may be interested to know that 365 wind

turbines are in the process of being installed. [Time expired.]

Mrs C N Z ZIKALALA: Hon Speaker, just like poverty, Aids and

international conflicts, global warming and climate change is

threatening human existence on an unprecedented scale. Whatever the

outcome, South Africa and its leadership should be seen to be among

the nations that are waging a war to minimise the effects and impact

of global warming and climate change on human and planet life.

The question is: What are we doing to keep this issue on the public

agenda and ensure that a global sustainable agreement is forged?

South Africa is responsible for about 60% of the African continent’s

carbon dioxide emissions and almost 1,5% of the amount produced

globally. Though we can claim that this amount is small, this is a

significant contribution and requires our national government to

take the lead in ensuring that the provisions of the United Nations

Framework Convention on Climate Change and the Kyoto Protocol are


The responsibility for co-ordination and implementation has been

delegated to the Department of Water and Environmental Affairs. In
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addition, the government has established the Department of Minerals

the as designated authority for the clean development mechanism

under Article 12 of the Kyoto Protocol.

Communication and public education about climate change must be

improved, especially to the poor rural farmers whose lives and

livelihood will be harshly affected by its impact.

On the other hand, owing to its ugly past of apartheid and gross

inequalities, South Africa needs to provide houses, hospitals,

schools, roads and other infrastructural developments in many

working class communities. Our country cannot afford to abandon its

developmental commitments while countries of the North primarily

benefited from decades of development based on fossil fuels.

President Jacob Zuma, at the recent UN General Assembly, correctly

stated that there needs to be an agreement on new, additional,

sustainable and predictable financing for adaptation. This should be

for programmes that reduce the vulnerability of developing countries

to the effects of climate change.

Industrialised countries, therefore, face the biggest responsibility

and burden for action to address climate change. They, therefore,

must support developing nations to adapt through financing and

technology transfer, for example.
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Without additional measures to mitigate climate change, global

greenhouse gas emissions will continue to grow over the coming

decades and beyond. Most of this increase would come from developing

countries where, per capita, emissions are still considerably lower

than those in developed countries.

In December 2009, world leaders will meet in Copenhagen with a view

to coming up with a solution to the problem of climate change. Its

success will be measured by whether China and the United States of

America come to the table and agree to reduce their emissions. [Time

expired.] I thank you. [Applause.]

Mr L W GREYLING: Hon Speaker, it is clear that the world is

currently confronted with a number of complex and urgent challenges.

An economic crisis, intractable conflicts, resource depletion and

lifting 2 billion people out of poverty are all challenges we have

to face head-on. Unfortunately, however, climate change will

exacerbate all of these problems and will put to waste all of our

efforts at resolving them.

The reality that the international community has to accept is that,

unlike our global economy, the climate will not respond to short-

term stimulus packages, nor will it take notice of positive market

sentiment. Once a certain level of greenhouse gas concentrations in

the atmosphere is crossed, runaway climate change will kick in and

there will be nothing any of us can do to stop it.
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All of our noble sentiments, international negotiations and

inspiring speeches will be disregarded by our changing climate and

it will show no mercy, nor morality, in its devastation. Poor and

vulnerable communities are already starting to feel its impacts

regardless of the fact that it is wealthy countries that bear

primary responsibility for causing climate change.

But now is not the time for blame. The climate simply cannot afford

a global stalemate in the Copenhagen negotiations with both sides

using each other’s inaction as an excuse to do nothing.

Industrialised countries must take on reduction targets of nothing

less than 25% to 40% by 2012, and the electorates of those countries

must demand this of their negotiators.

In addition, financial and technical resources must be provided for

developing countries to employ clean technologies. High emitting

developing countries - and South Africa unfortunately falls into

this group – must also live up to their end of the bargain by

agreeing to put in place low carbon action plans in time for the new

treaty to be put in place. The ID, therefore, calls upon President

Zuma to lead a delegation of African heads of state to Copenhagen to

ensure that such an agreement is reached.

A global agreement, however, will not be enough. It must be followed

by strong actions at national, local and personal level. As hon

Manuel said on Tuesday, all of us in this House are part of the
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elite and we need to show solidarity with the poor in the world by

making changes to our own consumption habits. We are all part of the

problem, but now is the time for us to become part of the solution.

Hon Speaker, I know that my time has expired; I just hope it hasn’t

for humanity. I thank you. [Applause.]

Ms S C N SITHOLE: Hon Speaker and hon members of this august House,

today is my first day to stand here and speak. [Applause.] I am very

thankful to God my Maker for having spared me throughout the years

of apartheid. My siblings did not survive this, and it is my hope

that their children will understand that it is their duty to make

sure that the national democratic revolution is on course.


The ANC has, prior to coming into power in 1994, spelt out our

principles of environmental policy as contained in the broad policy

statement. The ANC believes that all citizens of South Africa,

present and future, have the right to a safe and healthy environment

and to a life of wellbeing. The broad objective of our environmental

policy will be to fulfil this right.

In this context, growth and development within South Africa will be

based on the principles of sustainability. As such, we are guided by

the following principles: sustainable development; equitable access

to resources; public participation in development planning and
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management of resources; an integrated approach to environmental

issues that relate to all sectors of society; and the public right

of access to information and courts on issues of environmental

concern. This is and was our readiness to govern as the ANC.


In this House today, my Minister spelt out that we were indeed

serious about what we said in 1994 and before. She laid the

foundation for the plan of action that we are going to implement as

the ruling party in this country. We are serious about this issue

that is threatening society.

You will remember that in Copenhagen as guest speaker, the Speaker

of our National Assembly, hon Max Sisulu, had this to say:

  The commitments that Africa seeks from the international community

  are based on the principles of equity and common but

  differentiated responsibilities for global warming and climate

  change. In the context of environmental justice, the continent

  seeks to be equitably compensated for environmental, social and

  economic losses.

In closing his speech, he quoted the President of the Republic of

South Africa, Comrade Jacob Zuma, when speaking at the UN General

Assembly in September where he explicitly stated as follows:
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  For Africa, the impact of climate change is devastating and will

  severely undermine development and poverty eradication efforts. We

  need to act now to ensure that there is an inclusive, fair and

  effective global agreement on this critical challenge. The

  agreement must recognise that solving the climate problem cannot

  be separated from the struggle to eradicate poverty. Developed

  countries bear the greatest responsibility for climate change and

  its impact. We must therefore strike a balance between adaptation

  and mitigation. Our goal should be to significantly reduce

  emissions across the globe without constraining development in the

  countries of the South.

  Developed countries must make ambitious, quantified and legally

  binding emission reduction commitments that are in line with

  science and that address their historic responsibilities. At

  Copenhagen there needs to be an agreement on new, additional,

  sustainable and predictable financing for adaptation. This should

  be for programmes that reduce the vulnerability of developing


Xipikara, mhaka ya ku cinca ka tlilayimeti i mhaka ya nkoka ngopfu.

Tanihi swirho swa Yindlu leyi, hi fanele ku tiyimisela, hi tiyisisa

leswaku eka matirhele ya hina eka tihofisi ta swifundza swa vakheti

hi endla leswaku vanhu va swi twisisa leswaku mhaka ya ku cinca ka

tlilayimeti i mhaka leyi munhu un’wana na un’wana a faneleka ku va a

yi langutisisa swinene.
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Hi fanele ku langutisa leswaku ndzawulo yin’wana na yin’wana yi

nghenisa mhaka ya mbangu eka madyondzisele ya yona. Hi fanele hi

langutisa swinene leswaku loko ku endliwa mimpimanyeto ya

tindzawulo, mhaka ya mbangu yi pimanyeteriwa ku ringana. Hi fanele

hi langutisa na le swikolweni leswaku silabasi na kharikhulamu swi

fanele ku dyondzisa vana leswaku va tiva hi mbangu, hikuva a swi nga

eneli leswaku ku va hina ntsena lava hi tivaka kambe vana lava va hi

landzelaka va tlhelela endzhaku va nga ha hlayisi mbangu.

Khanimamba. [Mavoko.] (Translation of Xitsonga paragraphs follows.)

[Speaker, the issue of climate change is a very serious one. As

members of this House, we have to commit ourselves to ensuring that

the way we operate in our constituency offices makes the people

understand that climate change is an issue that everybody has to

consider seriously.

We must ensure that every department includes environmental

education in their policy. We must ensure that environmental issues

are adequately budgeted for during budget allocation to the

departments. We must also ensure that the school syllabus and

curriculum impart knowledge to children about the environment,

because it will not be enough that we are the only ones who know

about it, whilst the next generations revert to not conserving the

environment. Thank you. [Applause.]]
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Mrs S V KALYAN: Speaker, I am glad that this debate had been granted

as this was one of the recommendations during a dialogue with the

Portfolio Committee on Water and Environmental Affairs and the

parliament of the UK via video link-up on 7 October. As you heard my

colleague say earlier, climate change is one of the biggest

challenges ever to confront humanity, both currently and in the

coming years.

The effect of global climate change is becoming more evident with

frequent occurrences of drought, flooding, melting glaciers and a

rise in the incidences of malaria being a few of the phenomena

attributed to climate change. Some of the most serious effects of

climate change are taking place in countries least prepared to

counter them; and many African countries are among the most

vulnerable to the impacts of climate change.

Women in the developing world will suffer the most from the effects

of climate change. Why do I say that? Women in rural areas have the

major responsibility for household water supply and energy for

cooking and heating.

Drought means less water. She may not have the skill to dig wells as

the men are in the urban areas. She has to go further to look for

water and she needs more time to do this, this increases her

workload. Because of deforestation, she may have to walk further to
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look for firewood. Again, human energy is used, there are more

demands on her time and also sometimes her safety is at risk.

Secondly, women are the main producers of the world’s staple crops,

producing between 60% and 80% of the food. In most developing

countries in extreme climate change, production could drop by 20% to

50%. One example is that insect outbreaks mean either the crop is

spoilt or the woman has to spend more time on pest control and less

on production.

Climate change can affect human health in a variety of ways,

including the spread of vector- and water-borne diseases and reduced

drinking water. Women in rural areas have less access to medical

services than men who work outside the home and their workload may

also increase if they have to care for the sick at home and still be

productive in the field.

In the 2004 tsunami, 70% to 80% of the deaths were women and in the

1991 cyclone disaster of Bangladesh, 90% were women. The disparity

in disaster mortality rates link directly to social and economic

factors. In many societies, boys and men are more likely to hear

warning signals in the public spaces where they work; they may

receive preferential treatment in rescue efforts and have priority

access to food aid. In Sri Lanka, more boys learn to swim and climb

trees, which helped them survive the 2004 tsunami.
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A defining moment in the global battle against climate change will

be reached in December 2009, when negotiators from around the world

will convene in Copenhagen to develop a post-2012 climate framework.

There is intense pressure on all negotiators to reconcile the

international protocol on climate change that will replace the Kyoto

Protocol when it expires in 2012. Our delegates should aim to

involve women and gender experts when they prepare their

contributions and also ensure women’s participation at these


The 15th Conference of the Parties, COP15, must adopt the principles

of gender equity and equality at all stages of research, analysis,

design and implementation of both mitigation and adaptation

strategies. The COP15 should develop a gender strategy which

encompasses women representatives as official focal points and

invest in gender specific climate change research.

Women represent an immense source of knowledge and they can be

effective agents of change in relation to both mitigation and

adaptation. Women in rural areas will tell you which herbs and

animals are in abundance or scarce and by using this knowledge

patterns and trends of climate change can be determined.

Furthermore, national and local governments should develop

strategies to improve and guarantee women’s access to and control

over natural resources and create opportunities for education and
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training in climate change. Parliamentary leadership on climate

change in terms of legislation and oversight is now more critical

than ever before.

As a member of the Pan-African Parliament, PAP, I moved a motion to

establish a PAP interest group on climate change and I am delighted

that the motion was unanimously approved. [Applause.]

The UK is the first parliament to have a dedicated committee on

climate change and to come up with climate change specific

legislation. The committee is an independent body and advises

government on budget and reviews 2025 targets. I am certain South

Africa can follow suit as we have both the capacity and the

expertise to do so.

In conclusion, I would like to wish Parliament’s delegation to COP15

well in their deliberations. [Applause.]

Mrs C DUDLEY: Speaker, today in my very short time, I am going to

dare to touch on what may have become a “scared cow.” Remember Y2K -

just a thought. Our tendency as humans to be over-confident is often

quite astounding and no matter how many Y2K, second coming of Jesus

predictions and sinking the invincible Titanic we go through, we

still tend to think we absolutely know, when in fact we only know in

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The melting of glaciers and erratic, severe weather do bear

testimony to the warming of the earth’s atmosphere, but the cause of

this is far from certain with scientists at odds with each other,

and with many politicians.

Dr Roy Spencer, a National Aeronautics and Space Administration

meteorological scientist who received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific

Achievement Medal for his global temperature monitoring work warns

that skilful storytelling has elevated the danger of global warming

from a theoretical one to one of near certainty.

There is no scientific consensus on the primary cause of global

warming and, if anything, man appears to be the least likely to have

an effect on it. Any geo-engineering on our part could have

unintended consequences.

Climate warming is not necessarily apocalyptic, nor is it new. The

temperature anomaly graph over the past 2 000 years shows that when

the Vikings colonised Greenland, they were in a 500-years warmer

period, and for about 200 years from about 1400 AD there was a

Little Ice Age, so fluctuations happen!

Before jumping on the bandwagon of global agreement to cut fossil

fuel use, we should at least consider all available information.

Inflicting on South Africa international demands that may not suit
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us and which could lead to massive, unnecessary expense is a big

commitment. How sure are we?

Developing renewable energy sources, such as wind and solar power

makes sense on so many levels. But we cannot ignore the fact that

exorbitant energy costs have the potential to halt development and

cripple an economy with devastating consequences for the most

vulnerable in society. A considered and balanced approach makes the

most sense. Thank you.

Ms P BHENGU: Speaker, given its long history of oppression and the

state of poverty that most of its citizens live in, South Africa

needs to provide hospitals, schools, roads and other infrastructure

and social development to its previously disadvantaged communities.

To achieve this, the country needs a stable growing economy. This

might be threatened by greenhouse emissions. It would be grossly

unfair to expect South Africa to abandon its current economic drive

while other countries have benefited from decades of development

based on fossil fuels.

While sustainable development is the answer, South Africa and other

developing countries need skills and a transfer of technology that

will allow them to deviate from a development path followed by

developed countries, and, thus, mitigate climate change. It is,
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therefore, true that South Africa and other developing countries

have common but differentiated responsibilities.

Agriculture and its role in food security and combating poverty make

it the most important sector in the less developed countries,

particularly in sub-Saharan Africa. Food security has a function of

several interacting factors including food production, as well as

food purchasing power. Climate change could worsen hunger in Africa

in general through a direct and negative effect on production and

indirect impact on purchasing power.

Climate change has a long impact on food production, access and

distribution as a consequence of droughts, floods and shorter

growing seasons. Increased drought frequency and flooding, as a

result of climate change, will damage agricultural systems, threaten

the food security of millions of people and adversely affect the

existing food security of millions of others.

The National Climate Change Response Strategy, NCCRS, for South

Africa not only perceives energy-induced climate change as a threat

to sustainable development, but also as an opportunity for realising

sustainable development, especially when activities for climate

change mitigation are linked to poverty eradication and human

capital development. In fact, the collaborative approaches proposed

for mitigating and/or managing the impacts of climate change in the

NCCRS for South Africa reflect such a perception in government.
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The investment opportunities created by the Clean Development

Mechanism, CDM, projects and the associated skills development

initiatives and recruitment offers provided by these projects

demonstrate the strategic opportunities that South Africa has for

harnessing sustainable development through appropriate climate

change interventions.

There are signs that the approach to climate change is shifting from

one based on environment to one cast more broadly in terms of

sustainable development, particularly at international level. The

outcome of the World Summit on Sustainable Development, WSSD,

strengthened the concept of sustainable development by addressing

its three dimensions, namely economic, social and environmental

dimensions. The Johannesburg Plan of Implementation, JPOI, addresses

climate change and its adverse effects and clearly links it with

poverty and other development concerns such as land degradation,

access to water, food, and human health.

On international agreements, the Delhi Ministerial Declaration

adopted at the eighth Conference of the Parties, COP8, in the wake

of the WSSD underlined development concerns in the context of

climate change, reaffirming that economic and social development and

poverty eradication are overriding priorities of parties to the

convention, particularly developing countries. The declaration also

highlighted the importance of adaptation for all countries.
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The 2005 World Summit outcome document links climate change with

energy issues in the context of sustainable development. It notes

the challenges faced in tackling climate change, promoting clean

energy, meeting energy needs and achieving sustainable development.

Viewing climate change in the context of sustainable development has

a number of implications. Such an approach means that poverty

eradication and socioeconomic development are necessary for

combating climate change. The critical effort of developing and

diffusing clean energy technologies is being stepped up. At the same

time, enhanced access for the poor to modern services also needs to

be vigorously pursued. Concrete initiatives for technology co-

operation between North and South and South-South could help realise

the promise of technology transfers.

Incorporating climate change response measures into the development

planning, including National Sustainable Development Strategies,

NSDS, could contribute to achieving the objective of sustainable

development goals. Integrating adaptation measures into development

planning could simultaneously contribute to poverty eradication and

the reduction of the vulnerability of the poorest communities to

climate variability and climate change. Therefore, the NCCRS for

South Africa was developed with a full understanding of the need for

an integrated approach to tackling the impact of climate change.
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South Africa recognises that global climate change is a formidable

threat to sustainable development, and could undermine global

poverty alleviation efforts and have severe implications for food

security, clean water, energy supply, environmental health and human

settlement. The SA Country Studies on Climate Change, SACSCC,

programme has, in fact, identified the health sector, maize

production, plant and animal biodiversity, water resources and

rangelands as areas of highest vulnerability to climate change.

These are, therefore, the areas that need to be targeted for

adaptation measures.

It is indisputable that women in developing countries, including

those in Africa, are already on the frontline of adapting to climate

change with increasing floods and droughts impacting on their

livelihoods. As pivotal managers of natural and environmental

resources and key frontline implementers of development, women have

the experience and knowledge to build the resilience of their

communities to the intensifying natural hazards to come.

It is therefore clear that, without the full participation and

contribution of women in decision-making and leadership, real

community resilience to climate change and disaster simply cannot be

achieved. In too many places and even within countries, women are

still marginalised from community discussions about development

planning. Thus, real community-based development must involve the

knowledge and energy of women.
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The ANC-led government specifically states that it will promote

integration between the programmes of the various government

departments involved to maximise the benefits of managing climate

change to the country as a whole, while minimising negative impacts.

It sees climate change response action as a significant factor in

boosting sustainable economic and social development.

It is, thus, fitting that South Africa’s approach to climate change

is consistent with the concerns expressed in the international

arena. Climate change is specifically predicted to reduce crop

yields and food production in some regions, particularly the

tropics. Traditional food sources may become more unpredictable and

scarce as the climate changes.

There are legitimate concerns that climate change is arguably the

gravest threat ever faced by humanity. It is a serious and long-term

challenge, posing a serious threat to development and poverty

reduction in the poorest and most vulnerable parts of the world.

Climate change impacts, in many ways, are about changes in resource

flows which are critical for local people’s sustainable livelihood.

As rising concerns over the climate prompt the search for solutions,

it is increasingly being recognised that, in order to be effective,

efforts to combat climate change will have to be integrated into the

broader context of social and economic development. There has,

indeed, been international consensus that there is a linkage between
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climate change and development, as reflected in the outcome of the

COP8 to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change,

UNFCCC, as well as the WSSD in Johannesburg, South Africa, in 2002.

Thus, the sustainable development dimension of climate change is

being better understood. The implementation of sustainable

development goals can lead to a development trajectory that combines

economic growth with climate change mitigation. Existing synergies

between climate change and sustainable development could be further

exploited through policies and actions promoting cleaner energy

technologies, more sustainable transport and better land-use


The ANC’s 52nd National Conference held in Polokwane came out very

clearly on this matter when it unambiguously stated that climate

change considerations must be further integrated with sustainable

development strategies, the science and technology agenda,

integrated energy planning, transport policy and the evolving

industry policy.

This realisation is already apparent in the NCCRS for South Africa,

as well as in the National Framework for Sustainable Development,

NFDS, in South Africa. The fact that South Africa hosts the largest

number of CDM projects in Africa, is a clear indication of its

comparative progress in integrating sustainable development into

climate change initiatives. I thank you. [Applause.]
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Dr L L BOSMAN: Speaker, I would like to start by warning the House

or mentioning to the House the danger of the viewpoints tabled by

the ACDP on climate change. I would, therefore, like to draw your

attention to the fact that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

Change, IPCC, reports make it quite clear that climate change is due

to human emissions as far back as 1700, and that more than 90% of

the world’s scientists agree with this standpoint.

I would like to focus on agriculture in a post-2010 Kyoto Agreement,

today, while the agricultural sector is very vulnerable to being

significantly impacted on by climate change. At the same time, it

plays a major role in contributing solutions to climate change. In

order for this potential to be realised the DA recommends that

agriculture must be included in any post-2012 Kyoto Protocol

Agreement. Farmers interact daily with the environment and they are

thus well-placed to implement sustainable agricultural practices

that can help to adapt and mitigate climate change.

The specific nature of agriculture has to be recognised and must be

differentiated from other sectors. The origin, monitoring and

reporting of an emission from agricultural land is inherently

different from that associated with fossil fuels and farmers should

not be penalised for natural emissions that are beyond human

control. As a result of its low profitability, agriculture cannot

compete with other sectors in terms of cost-efficiency in reducing
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greenhouse gas, GHG, emissions, unless its carbon sequestration and

displacement potential is recognised.

Let me quickly look at agriculture and the four pillars of a post-

2010 Kyoto Agreement: Firstly, agriculture has the potential to

mitigate. Many studies have acknowledged that the GHG sequestration

by agriculture is a quick and cost-effective means to mitigate


Secondly, to optimise the mitigation potential in agriculture, it is

crucial to take into account that the biggest mitigation potential

of agriculture should be expected in terms of improvements and

efficiency of agricultural productivity. Rewarding farmers for

carbon sequestration will enhance the carbon storage potential of

the sector and there is a need to establish a voluntary carbon

credit system to reward farmers for their contributions to climate


Agriculture, however, needs support to adapt to the effects of

climate change. It is the DA’s view that government should be

actively involved in developing and enhancing strategies to support

farmers in their daily adaptation to climate variations, including

the following: Shifting from crisis management to risk management

systems, which must include early warning systems; awareness raising

campaigns and crop insurance schemes; ensuring adaptation at farms

to maintain food security, as climate change has severe effects on
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biological and hydrological cycles, in particular on water

availability; policy decisions should be scientifically based,

available and developed; the generation and the dissemination of

farm-specific climate change information must be enhanced; and there

needs to be an increase in the profitability of farmers to enhance

their adaptation capacity.

An ambitious financing framework is required. The following

financial mechanism should be distinguished: Firstly, a financing

mechanism to provide positive incentives for the implementation of

climate-friendly agricultural practices and technologies which must

include the following: Rewarding farmers for using sustainable

agricultural practices which reduce the impact of agriculture on the

climate; rewarding farmers for providing ecosystem services; and

creating a fair international voluntary carbon market, giving

farmers access to fair prices for carbon dioxide, CO2, emissions

mitigation through Clean Development Mechanism, CDM, projects.

With regard to the funding mechanism for small-scale farmers they

should be given assistance to adapt to climate change by supporting

aggregate agencies to cluster individual farmers to get access to

financial mechanisms, funding carbon markets and mainstreaming

climate changes relating to efforts into development projects.

Lastly, make technology cheaper, more efficient and accessible to

farmers. In order to reach this goal, improved technologies along
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with appropriate education and extension services for farmers are

needed. Appropriate incentives are needed to support the

implementation of existing climate-friendly technology and specific

actions in this can be included.

To conclude, agriculture has the potential to provide significant

change in climate solutions. Therefore, the role of agriculture in

combating climate change is of the utmost importance and must be

recognised as such within a post-2010 Kyoto Agreement. I thank you.

Dr Z LUYENGE: Hon Speaker, the ANC’s vision on environmental issues

after the 1994 democratic breakthrough has informed various

policies, programmes and actions of government since 1995. At the

52nd national conference of the ANC, in December 2007, it was

resolved that climate change is recognised as a new threat on a

global scale which places an enormous burden on South Africans and

Africans as a whole, because we are the most vulnerable to the

effects of climate change, and because the risk to the poor is the


Climate change was once a marginal issue, today it is moving to

centre stage as governments, businesses and individuals assess its

implications. It is in fact one of humanity’s most pressing and

difficult challenges. Its effects are already being felt and will

only worsen over time, affecting current and future generations.

Without urgent and concerted action, climate change will seriously
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affect the way of life in all countries, damage fragile ecosystems

and threaten global security through migration and resource use


Global warming and climate change are considered a major threat to

sustainable growth and development in Africa and to the achievement

of the Millennium Development Goals. The African continent

contributes the least to global emissions of greenhouse gases, yet

it is the most vulnerable to its effects, particularly due to its

high dependence on biologically based natural resources and rain-fed

agriculture, widespread poverty and weak capacity. The effects of

climate change are acutely felt in terms of diminished natural

resources, reduced agricultural production, worsening food security,

increased flooding and drought and spreading diseases.

Climate change lies behind much of the prevailing poverty, food

insecurity and weak economic growth in Africa and affects

approximately 2 million of the poorest people in Africa, who

predominantly depend on climate-sensitive agricultural production.

The vulnerability of these people is expected to escalate over the

years due to climate change and its associated impacts, like

droughts and floods which are so familiar to us in the Southern

African region.

Southern Africa, like developing regions elsewhere, has not been

spared from the severe impacts of climate change. In the last two
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decades or so, the region has experienced a number of adverse

climate hazards. The most serious ones have been dry spells,

seasonal droughts, intense rainfall and floods. Droughts and floods

have increased in frequency, intensity and magnitude over the past

two or three decades. They have impacted adversely on food and water

security, water quality, energy and sustainable livelihoods of the

most rural communities.

In South Africa and elsewhere, there’s a strong link between energy

consumption and climate change. The type of energy used, whether it

is renewable or non-renewable, defines to a great extent each

country’s emission profile and its contribution to the greenhouse

gases. South Africa’s total greenhouse gas emission equalled 1,6% of

global emissions in 1999. In that year, the energy and cement

sectors produced 94 million tons of carbon which was 2,3 tons per

capita and nearly ten times the African average and twice the world


Figures from the International Energy Agency, IEA, revealed that in

2003 coal-dependent South Africa released some 318 million tons of

carbon dioxide, which is the major greenhouse gas that contributes

to climate change. The total carbon dioxide emission from the energy

sector alone was estimated at a staggering 429 million tons in 2004.

This makes South Africa one of the highest emitters after major

developing countries like China and India. South Africa’s emission

intensity is comparatively higher that many other major developing

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While coal use in electricity production is the main reason for this

emission profile, other reasons include the production of synthetic

liquid fuels from coal, a high proportion of energy-intensive

industries and mining, and inefficient use of energy. South Africa

has, however, made some commendable progress in its response to the

threats of global climate change and variability. It has, for

example acknowledged its role in the emission of greenhouse gasses

through its excessive dependence on coal and has noted the immediate

need for the country to move from being an energy-intensive economy

to a low carbon growth economy.

Current and proposed interventions on the ground for mitigating

climate change are mainly focused on the energy sector, due to the

increasing realisation that energy production is the primary and

major source of greenhouse gases in South Africa. This has

culminated in the formation and adoption of various interventions,

including the White Paper on Renewable Energy Policy for South

Africa, which aims to realise energy security through a progressive

switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy resources such as

bioenergy, hydro, solar and wind energy.

Bioenergy is a term used to describe energy produced from any fuel

that is derived from biomass, which are recently living organisms or

their metabolic by-products. Biomass can include matter such as

compost, other organic materials, living plants and plant
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components. Unlike other natural resources such as petroleum, coal

and nuclear fuels, bioenergy is a renewable energy source.

The production of bioenergy is gathering more and more attention as

a feasible way of reducing dependency on imported oil and gas, and

is even being hailed as one of the potential key weapons in the

battle against global warming. If managed sustainably, the use of

biomass, biogas and biofuels could help us to reduce greenhouse gas


The great appeal of bioenergy is that it is theoretically a

renewable source of energy. Crops can be converted into energy,

either by being processed into liquid fuel for the transport sector

in the form of biofuels, or by being burnt in power plants as

biomass. Effectively producing energy from biofuels or biomass could

be seen as recycling carbon dioxide.

Research conducted by the Council for Scientific and Industrial

Research, CSIR, indicates that large-scale bioenergy projects could

impact positively on socioeconomic and environmental areas for

current and future generations, including making a significant

contribution to international energy demands and decreasing in

greenhouse gas emissions.

The University of Stellenbosch recently held a conference with some

of the world’s leading experts in the field to discuss issues
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relating to sustainable production of bioenergy. Although the

project is apparently still in its early days, preliminary

discussions have outlined Africa as having the greatest potential

for bioenergy production. With its large land masses that are fairly

unpopulated and its historically highly productive landscape, Africa

could very well be the epicentre of the global bioenergy market.

Africa can provide enough bioenergy without impacting on the

continent’s food security.

According to Prof August Temu of the World Agroforestry Centre, this

project will turn away from previously western-based bioenergy

plants and ensure, instead, that ownership of any bioenergy

production is by the very people whose land will grow the crops,

namely Africans.

Two years ago in Polokwane, the ANC conference resolved that South

Africa’s economy must benefit from the global growth potential of

the renewable energy centre, including through the provision of

incentives for investment in renewable energy infrastructure and in

human resources, to ensure that institutions and companies are ready

to take full advantage of renewable energy opportunities.

In this connection, it was also resolved that the realignment of

institutional mechanisms, which will fast-track the utilisation of

renewable energy to mitigate the effects of climate change, must be
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promoted. We, in South Africa, cannot wait any longer; we must start

taking decisive actions now.

In conclusion, the ANC appreciates and encourages both the Speaker

of this House, the Minister of this department and of course our

chairperson in the Portfolio Committee on Water and Environmental

Affairs, for their stewardship in ensuring that South Africa is as

prompt as it is expected to be in Africa. Thank you very much.


to express appreciation, firstly to the chairperson and then to the

director-general for their leadership in driving this programme,

which is very complex. I must express appreciation to all of the

members who participated in this very mature and very vibrant

debate, which really highlighted the vulnerability of humankind to

the implications of climate change. I really want to applaud you,

hon members. [Applause.]

You are real South African patriots. You have enriched us, and this

is how it should be. You were unanimous on the need for us to act

and to act urgently with regard to mitigation and adaptation.

I particularly want to make mention of the people who said that

solving the climate change problem cannot be separated from poverty

alleviation, because this is what is driving us as we pursue your

interest – the national interest. When we talk about the national
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interest, our overriding priority is poverty alleviation. So, I do

want to make the point that this is really what is driving us.

That is why, when we are talking about the deal, we are not being

academic. We are saying that the climate change deal must balance

climate change imperatives with development imperatives. Climate

change should not take over from development; these two must go


I also want to make the point that you all highlighted the impact of

climate change on humanity. And, to a certain extent, all of us were

saying that we were right when we said that adaptation is important.

You also reminded us that as this country, we have a contribution to

make in terms of mitigation.

I just wish to make the point again, that for us mitigation is also

a long-term strategy for adapting. So, while we have to act urgently

in terms of ensuring that our early warning systems and our

agricultural technology are okay, we need to ensure that mitigation

does not lag behind.

I also want to say that we have good policies, hon Ndude, even on

issues of water. What this House needs to do is really to monitor

the implementation of these policies. If you are talking about the

vulnerability of our water resources, you’re quite right, they are
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quite vulnerable. However, this applies not only to South Africa,

but to the whole of the continent.

Within our policies on water in South Africa, we have a water

resource management strategy which, within itself, has a climate

change strategy to deal with water, but the devil is in the

implementation thereof. What we really need to do in earnest is to

implement these policies.

Regarding fossil fuels, Ms Dudley, surprise, surprise! We are not

going to drop fossil fuel use, because nobody is dropping it. As we

speak, the United States of America generates 50% and the United

Kingdom 40% of its electricity from coal. They have not been vocal

by saying, “we are going to drop use of our coal”. So, why should

South Africa, being a developing country, do so? I think we would be

doing on injustice to the poor people of this country, because

energy is central to economic growth. So, for us, an energy mix is

the way to go.

Whereas we are reducing our dependence on coal, we are still going

to use it; that is a fact. Everybody uses coal. After all, we are

even better endowed with coal than most countries. We need the space

to develop and to deal with the socioeconomic conditions that

confront us.
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I would agree with the point that, domestically, we have not done

very well. I said this long ago and I still believe so. I think we

have left behind the majority of our people, who are very


I want to hear someone saying that planting an indigenous tree ...

... eBulembu kuza kwenza ukuba abantu abangama-40 bafumane umongo-

moya, ikhabon dayokhsaydi itsalwe ngumthi. [ ... in Bulembu will

result in 40 people getting oxygen, whilst carbon dioxide is being

absorbed by the tree.]

As long as that education does not filter down to our people, we

still have a long way to go. That’s where you come in as Parliament;

you carry out oversight.

I believe that climate change is not something for government only.

All of us as society need to participate in this programme.

We will be establishing a website very soon, because we want to make

information available to you. I’ve spoken to NGOs, because we think

that civil society has a very important role to play.

I appreciate the chairperson’s views on involving universities, not

only for awareness or education, but also for skills development.

This matter is relatively new. The first report on climate change
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was received by the United Nations in 1987. It’s a fairly new

phenomenon. So, we do need those skills.

Most of the people on this side were toyi-toying at the time. My

point is that it’s a fairly new phenomenon and it’s only now that we

really need to work hard to develop the capacity and the skills to

deal with this.

Mrs H N NDUDE: From this side as well, Madam Minister!


well? Okay. [Laughter.]

As much as we have all these challenges, what is important is that

there are great opportunities that will come with our mitigating and

adapting to climate change in the form of green jobs. We have

already begun talking about green jobs, for example, and those are

the opportunities that we look forward to.

Hon Kalyan, I cannot agree with you more and I want to congratulate

you on that initiative. I think you did it for South Africa as well

as for Africa. So, I want to concede that you are quite right.

Recently, I went to address women from around the world at the

international trade union centre, and there was an agreement that

maybe women need a women’s movement on climate change. Our Deputy
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Minister is involved in a programme under the United Nations

Environment Programme, UNEP. It’s an international programme for

women ministers on the environment. She will be chairing one of the

sessions in Copenhagen. I think we need to find a way of linking up,

as South Africans, especially those who will be here.

The issue of common but differentiated responsibilities that was

raised is important. In the context of that issue, we will continue

to be bold in terms of taking action to mitigate against climate

change. However, we will be bolder if finance and technology is made

available to us.

I really want to thank all of you and to say to all those who will

be going there, that we will meet in Copenhagen. Regarding the deal,

the Minister is cautiously optimistic. Thank you very much.


Debate concluded.

The House adjourned at 17:12.



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National Assembly and National Council of Provinces

The Speaker and the Chairperson

1.   Bills passed by Houses – to be submitted to President for assent

     (1) Bills passed by National Council of Provinces on 5 November 2009:

           (a) Local Government: Municipal Property Rates Amendment Bill [B12 – 2009]

                 (National Assembly – sec 75).

National Assembly

The Speaker

1.   Referral to Committees of papers tabled

     (1)   The following paper is referred to the Committee on Public Accounts for consideration

           and to the Portfolio Committee on Transport:

           (a) Letter from the Minister of Transport dated 22 October 2009 to the Speaker of the

               National Assembly, explaining the delay in the submission of the annual reports of the

               Cross-Border Road Transport Agency (C-BRTA) and the South African Maritime

               Safety Authority (Samsa) for 2008-09.
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   (2)   The following paper is referred to the Portfolio Committee on Police:

         (a) Report of the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) for July 2008 to December

             2008, tabled in terms of section 18(5)(c) of the Domestic Violence Act, 1998 (Act No

             116 of 1998).

   (3)   The following paper is referred to the Committee on Public Accounts for consideration

         and to the Portfolio Committee on Public Enterprises:

         (a) Letter from the Minister of Public Enterprises dated 23 October 2009 to the Speaker of

             the National Assembly, explaining the further delay in the submission of the annual

             report of the Pebble-Bed Modular Reactor (PBMR) for 2008-09.

   (4)   The following papers are referred to the Portfolio Committee on Transport for

         consideration and report. The Reports of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements

         and Performance Information are referred to the Committee on Public Accounts for


         (a) Report and Financial Statements of the Department of Transport - Vote 33 - for 2008-

            09, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements and

            Performance Information [RP227-2009].

         (b) Report and Financial Statements of the South African Maritime Safety Authority

            (Samsa) (including the Maritime Fund) for 2007-08, including the Report of the
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            Auditor-General on the Financial Statements and Performance Information


         (c) Report and Financial Statements of the Cross-Border Road Transport Agency (C-

            BRTA) for 2007-08, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial

            Statements and Performance Information [RP131-2008].

         (d) Report and Financial Statements of the Cross-Border Road Transport Agency (C-

            BRTA) for 2008-09, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial

            Statements and Performance Information [RP235-2009].

         (e) Report and Financial Statements of the Driving License Card Account for 1999-2000,

            2000-01, 2001-02, 2002-03, 2003-04, 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08 and 2008-

            09, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements and

            Performance Information [RP131-2008].

   (5)   The following papers are referred to the Standing Committee on Finance for

         consideration and report. The Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements

         and Performance Information is referred to the Committee on Public Accounts for


         (a) Report and Financial Statements of the Reconstruction and Development Programme

            Fund for 2008-09, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial

            Statements and Performance Information [RP 244-2009].
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         (b) National Treasury – Consolidated Financial Information for the year ended 31 March

            2009 [RP245-2009].

   (6)   The following papers are referred to the Committee on Public Accounts for consideration

         and to the Portfolio Committee on Communications:

         (a) Letter from the Minister of Communications dated 26 August 2009 to the Speaker of

            the National Assembly, explaining the delay in the submission of the annual report of

            the South African Broadcasting Corporation (SABC) for 2008-09.

         (b) Letter from the Minister of Communications dated 30 October 2009 to the Speaker of

            the National Assembly, explaining a further delay in the submission of the annual report

            of the South African Broadcasting Corporation (SABC) for 2008-09.

   (7)   The following papers are referred to the Portfolio Committee on International Relations

         and Cooperation for consideration and report:

         (a) Accession to the revised Cotonou Partnership Agreement: Agreement Amending the

            Partnership Agreement between the Members of the African, Caribbean and Pacific

            Group of States, of the one part, and the European Community and its Member States,

            of the other part, tabled in terms of section 231(2) of the Constitution, 1996.

         (b) Explanatory memorandum to the Accession to the revised Cotonou Partnership

            Agreement: Agreement Amending the Partnership Agreement between the Members of
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            the African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States, of the one part, and the European

            Community and its Member States, of the other part.

   (8)   The following paper is referred to the Portfolio Committee on Human Settlements for

         consideration and report. The Report of the Auditor-General is referred to the Committee

         on Public Accounts for consideration:

         (a) Report and Financial Statements of the National Home Builders Registration Council

            (NHBRC) for 2008-09, including the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial


   (9)   The following paper is referred to the Portfolio Committee on the Public Service and

         Administration for consideration:

         (a) Report of the Public Service Commission (PSC) on an Assessment of the Impact of the

            Work of the Public Service Commission on Public Policy and Practice in South Africa


   (10) The following paper is referred to the Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs for


         (a) Report of the Public Service Commission (PSC) on the Evaluation of Service Delivery

            at the Department of Home Affairs: Visa Applications and Port Control [RP17-2009].

   (11) The following papers are referred to the Standing Committee on Finance:
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        (a) Government Notice No R949, published in Government Gazette No 32621, dated 2

            October 2009: Amendment of Air Passenger Tax (APT/4) in terms of the Customs and

            Excise Act, 1964 (Act No 91 of 1964).

        (b) Proclamation No R.942, published in Government Gazette No 32605, dated 30

            September 2009: Commencement of sections 97(1) and 98(1)(a) and (c) of the Revenue

            Laws Amendment Act, 2008 (Act No 60 of 2008).

   (12) The following paper is referred to the Portfolio Committee on Trade and Industry:

        (a) Business Case for the Establishment of the Companies and Intellectual Property


   (13) The following papers, tabled on 27 January 2009, are referred to the Portfolio Committee

        on Home Affairs for consideration and report:

        (a) Agreement between the Government of the Republic of South Africa and the

            Government of the Kingdom of Lesotho on the Facilitation of Cross-Border Movement

            of Citizens of the Republic of South Africa and the Kingdom of Lesotho, tabled in

            terms of section 231(2) of the Constitution, 1996.

        (b) Explanatory Memorandum to the Agreement between the Government of the Republic

            of South Africa and the Government of the Kingdom of Lesotho on the Facilitation of

            Cross-Border Movement of Citizens of the Republic of South Africa and the Kingdom

            of Lesotho.
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National Assembly

1. Report of the Portfolio Committee on Police on the Declaration of an Amnesty in terms of the

   Firearms Control Act, dated 3 November 2009:

       The Portfolio Committee on Police, having considered the request for approval by Parliament

       of the Declaration of an Amnesty in terms of the Firearms Control Act, 2000 (Act No. 60

       of 2000), recommends that the House, in terms of section 139(2)(a) of the Act, approve the said

       Declaration subject to the following recommendations:

       1. That the words “No details of the person who hands in the firearm will be taken down, if

          the person wishes to utilize the anonymous process for amnesty“ in paragraph “a” of the

          Declaration be deleted.

       2. That the words “Proper audit processes must be put in place to ensure the auditing of the

          records of all firearms, surrendered anonymously in terms of this amnesty” in the second

          last paragraph of the Declaration also be deleted.

       The Committee is of the view that an anonymous amnesty process will be open to abuse.

   Report to be considered.

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