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PUBLIC COMMENTS -- Off-Street Parking Code Revisions
# Meeting Who Use Requirement Feedback / Question Summary/Conclusion of Public Feedback Code Update
ARTICLE II. 63.200. PARKING REQUIREMENTS
SECTION 63.201. OFF-STREET PARKING (OVERVIEW)
1 Blog/Online Resident Overall Comment on Pioneer Press 10/21/09 article: It would have been General and strong support for the off-street As proposed
Comment much cheaper to just have a budget cut in code enforcement, cut parking code changes.
the fat.. Don't invent new way's to waste money.
2 Blog/Online Non Profit Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: We [St. Paul] need to start Questions and comments related to parking
Comment catering to pedestrians, cyclists, and mass transit and need parking indicate strong interest in and a definite need
regulations and code that reinforce this. The new parking study only to match code revisions with stepped up use
reinforces old norms that off-street parking is a must for any of parking management tools.
commercial or residential development taking place in St. Paul.
Valuable square footage in the city will be set aside for cars, not
people.
3 Blog/Online Non Profit Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: "I think we need a radical shift
Comment on how cities think about parking. Instead of some strange math
equation 400 sqft = 1 spot, we need to have a process that is more
comprehensive and looks and use of the space and existing
parking (off and on-street). This would help to reduce the need to
create more parking spots where none are needed...A blanket
code, which is what we have now and will have in the future, does
not work for St. Paul and its neighborhoods."
4 Bus Review Business Rep The parking code revisions need to support business by moving
Council away from everything requiring a variance
5 Chamber of Business Rep "For the most part I think you have done an excellent job and hope
Commerce that neighborhoods see the benefits to what you are proposing. I
think that our membership -- and we directly invited some 300 of
them -- thought that as long as you were reducing requirements,
they were fine with it."
6 Chamber of Business How many permit parking zones does Mpls have?
Commerce Owner
7 Direct Contact District Council On November 12th the St. Anthony Park Community Council Board
(email, phone, Rep of Directors voted to
letter) support the draft ordinance which makes changes to the parking
requirements for new
developments.
8 GABA Business Rep No key comments or questions, they mostly listened. Almost half of
the attendees had already heard the presentation at other
meetings.
9 HBA Business Rep The City should do all that it can to encourage business growth,
development and redevelopment
10 Payne/Arcade Resident Can students going to Johnson H.S. be required to park in the lot?
BA and DC They sometimes park on the street.
11 Port Authority Business Rep Consider meeting with developers such as Steve Wellington and
Dave Langer for their input on the revised parking code
12 West 7th CC District Council Overall Help people understand the true cost of parking (surface and
Rep structured). There is a trade-off from a tax base perspective
between parking and other kinds of development.
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13 West 7th CC Resident If the changes generate tighter parking conditions, it is essential to
increase enforcement of parking restrictions near corners, where
illegally parked cars reduce visbility for turning safely onto the
street.
SECTION 63.204. CHANGE IN USE WITHIN A STRUCTURE
14 Bus Review City Staff n/a Should the rule of 5 be retained as an option for businesses who Wide agreement that Rule of 5 can be As proposed
Council can't meet the new minimum parking requirement? eliminated since consolidation will remove
almost all instances of small parking changes
based on use.
SECTION 63.206. RULES FOR COMPUTING REQUIRED PARKING
15 Council Office City Official/ Establishment with on- Do not eliminate the bar parking deficiency provision in section Strong resistance from City Council offices to As proposed
Commissioner sale intoxicating liquor 63.206. It allows some neighborhood control/input regarding eliminating the bar parking deficiency (Retain Section
and entertainment spillover concerns (parking and people) provision in section 63.206. It allows some 63.206 (c) language
16 Council Office City Official/ license class A or B Do not eliminate the bar parking deficiency provision in section neighborhood control/input regarding in the current code)
Commissioner 63.206. It allows some neighborhood control/input regarding spillover concerns (parking and people)
spillover concerns (parking and people)
SECTION 63.206 (d). SHARED PARKING
17 Bus Review Business Rep n/a If a new shared parking agreement includes an existing business, Strong support for shared parking and using As proposed
Council how is the parking requirement for the new business assessed? the new model.
18 Comp Plan City Official/ Should shared parking be approved by the zoning adminstrator or
Committee Commissioner is there a threshold when a shared parking agreement should go for Some interest in Planning Commission, BZA
PC review (e.g., greater than 'x' parking spaces or 'y' parking or District Council review of shared parking
decrease)? arrangements prior to approval. Site Plan
19 Comp Plan City Official/ Want to encourage shared parking agreements, however it needs Review to include shared parking
Committee Commissioner to be enforcable. Consider having a shared parking agreement as agreements; notification sent via ENS
a recordable, lease-based document. system.
20 Comp Plan City Official/ Do shared parking agreements apply to multi-use retail centers?
Committee Commissioner
21 Council Office City Official/ How are shared parking agreements enforced? What is the
Commissioner process when a party leaves or an agreement ends?
22 Council Office City Official/ Are there ways to facilitate/encourage shared parking agreements?
Commissioner Can an existing business apply to decrease its parking through a
shared parking agreement under the revised code?
23 Council Office City Official/ Should there be a fee to apply for shared parking agreements?
Commissioner Is the annual re-submission of a shared parking agreement is too
frequent?
24 Direct Contact Non Profit n/a Ensure that shared parking agreements still provide the required
(email, phone, number of accessible parking spaces
letter)
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n/a PUBLIC COMMENTS -- Off-Street Parking Code Revisions
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25 Direct Contact Resident "The parking situation along Grand Ave or immediately adjacent to
(email, phone, Grand is truly untenable. Your [Brasa] lot is small, the parking on
letter) Grand is packed and the neighborhood association has made
parking on the side streets a crap shoot. It seems they have
different rules on every block all favoring the residents. Why don't
the rental units and/or condos have to provide parking for their
tenants/owners? I am swearing off the Grand Ave. businesses and
am warning all of my friends to do the same as one may wind up
spending at least twice what you thought you were due to parking
citations."
26 Payne/Arcade Business Rep Can public parking lot spaces be used to count towards local
BA and DC businesses' parking requirements? The city lot at York and Payne
is never allowed to be counted to meet local business parking
requirements - why not?
27 Payne/Arcade Resident Communities should be notified of shared parking arrangements
BA and DC being considered by the City and be allowed to comment. Locals
may be aware of special circumstances that would make a shared
arrangement better or worse than the formula predicts.
28 Staff Work City Staff PED and DSI staff feel that current review of shared parking by
Group staff as part of the Site Plan Review process is appropriate and that
concerns about approvals can be appealed to the BZA. A site plan
application that wants to utilize shared parking must include the
Shared Parking application/agreement and therefore, notice of
shared parking reviews will be sent in the ENS system.
SECTION 63.207 (a). MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY USE
29 Bus Review Business Rep n/a Consolidating and reducing parking minimums is very positive and Strong support for overall changes to As proposed
Council will help businesses establish. There may be a parking deficiency minimum parking requirements because they
in some areas of the City today, but businesses are having a hard seem more reasonable, and will encourage
time meeting the current parking requirement, resulting in a development, reuse and redevelopment,
variance or not opening a business particularly in commercial corridors where
30 Chamber of Business Small business doesn't want to request a variance. The minimum revitalization is needed and parking should
Commerce Owner parking requirements should be designed to make it easier to do not be a barrier for development
business. Business Owners will provide adequate parking to make
their business viable
31 Dayton's Bluff City Staff Developers get scared off sometimes when they can't meet the
CC minimum parking requirement or the cost/risk of providing parking
through another means, e.g., buying house next door to turn into a
VP parking district
32 Dayton's Bluff Resident Lower parking requirements are good. When you live in an urban
CC setting you should expect to walk from your car to your destination
rather than having a front-door parking space.
33 Payne/Arcade Resident If the changes generate tighter parking conditions, it is essential to
BA and DC increase enforcement of parking restrictions near corners, where
illegally parked cars reduce visbility for turning safely onto the
street.
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34 Payne/Arcade Resident St. Paul and Minneapolis shouldn't have the same parking
BA and DC requirements because they are different types of cities with different
development patterns and transportation habits.
35 Planning City Official/ How did you decide on that parking requirement for xx use?
Commission Commissioner (Asked repeatedly.)
36 West 7th CC District Council In general supports lower minimums along with maximums.
Rep Need to change the culture of everyone driving in order to make
better transit happen.
37 West 7th CC Resident Likes lower parking requirements as a way to encourage
development, reuse and redevelopment particularly in areas like
West 7th where revitalization is needed and parking should not be
a barrier for development
38 Direct Contact Non Profit Multiple-family Can we get off street parking for residential down to 1 everywhere? Support for modest changes to residential As proposed
(email, phone, dwelling unit This would really help in some redevelopment areas with limited requirements and the stepped approach to
letter) grass. I hate asphalting grass for potential car use. multi-family housing.
39 MCCD Developer There should be a lower parking requirement for 3 bedroom
affordable housing units Some interest in even lower parking
40 Staff Work City Staff Concern about the heightened requirement for 4 bedroom units requirements for affordable housing by
Group which may be more common to build in the future for larger affordable housing advocates.
immigrant families, who we don't want to penalize by requiring more
parking.
41 Direct Contact Resident Live-work unit Email from resident in response to Pioneer Press 10/21/09 article Retain parking requirements for combined As proposed
(email, phone, with concern about business vehicles being parked in residential residential and business properties, such as
letter) neighborhoods live-work units, which require more parking
than a regular residential unit. Vehicles that
people use for work are permitted to be
parked on the public streets, although this
can be a nuisance in some instances.
42 Council Office City Official/ Community A great deal of work and public input was put into the provisions for Few comments on parking changes for As proposed
Commissioner residential facility, Sober Houses, including the level of required parking. It makes community residential facilties. One person
emergency housing sense to have a the same requirement for similar types of uses, thought sober houses require more parking
facility, free- e.g. community residential facilities than other like facilities and another person
43 District Council District Council standing foster care In the Frogtown area Armor Properties is buying a number of single- thought they need less. Retain proposal to
Rep home, overnight family houses to turn into prisoner housing. change parking requirement to be same for
shelter, shelter for What type of use is prisoner housing? all these facilities.
battered persons, Are there restrictions on how many prisoner houses can be in
transitional housing proximity to one another (similar to sober houses)? Parking requirements for Community
44 Planning City Official/ Sober houses are not a proxy for what other community residential Residential Facilities can be reviewed when
facility
Commission Commissioner facilities should require for parking because sober houses have no a zoning study for all these types of facilities
staff, while the other types do, and thus they may need more is undertaken in 2010.
parking than sober houses.
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45 West 7th CC Resident Sober house Perhaps sober houses should provide more parking than similar Little comment on parking changes for sober As proposed
uses; they tend to host meetings and attract visitors to the area who houses. One person thought sober houses
drive in cars. How can this be better handled? require more parking than other like facilities
(e.g., community residential facilties) and
another person thought they need less.
Sober House parking was considered as part
of a broader study and public hearing
process to regulate the use. Retain proposal
to change parking requirement to be same
for all these facilities.
46 Comp Plan City Official/ Day care For educational related facilities, consider drop-off/pick-up parking Only 1 comment. As proposed
Committee Commissioner spaces
47 Colleges & College Rep College, university, Retain the current parking requirements for colleges and Colleges and university reps felt strongly that Retain current
Universities seminary, technical universities and the annual reporting system. Student and student and employee counts are an parking
college, trade employee counts are an imperfect estimate of parking demand, but imperfect estimate of parking demand, but requirements for
school, business are better than anything else. Expansion of GFA for classrooms are better than anything else. Expansion of these uses.
school, arts school, and offices is often done to enhance facilties and compete in the GFA for classrooms and offices is often done
dance school market -- it doesn't approximate more people coming to campus. to enhance facilties and compete in the
48 Colleges & College Rep Review and update the existing annual reporting system to collect market -- it doesn't approximate more people
Universities data that better approximates the peak head count of coming to campus.
students/employees on campus. Current data is based on FT vs.
PT students. However, there are many different types of non- Retain the current parking requirements and
traditional students on some campuses, e.g., evening, weekend, on- the annual reporting system, but make some
line, study abroad, etc. adjustments to it to better count student
49 Colleges & College Rep consider whether Trade Schools like Rasmussen College should be types and consider possible parking
Universities subject to the annual parking review process requirement reductions for implementation of
50 Como Park Resident Campuses should be required to provide some designated visitor TDM plans.
Pavillion parking. I've had trouble finding this at Macalester and then had to
circle the nrighborhood to find something.
51 District Council District Council For colleges where parking is underutilized (e.g., Metro State)
Rep additional parking shouldn't be added. In these cases is there a way
to enforce that students use the existing parking?
52 MCCD Developer Public library It's a public good to provide parking for libraries, rec centers, and Strong support for overall changes to As proposed
other public amenities. The parking requirement should not be set minimum parking requirements because they
too low for these uses. seem more reasonable, and will encourage
development, reuse and redevelopment,
particularly in commercial corridors where
revitalization is needed and parking should
not be a barrier for development.
53 Dayton's Bluff Resident Church, chapel, What is a typical size for a main unit of worship? Is the proposed Support for moving to GFA requirement for TBD - Analyze some
CC synagogue, place of GFA appropriate for the size of the building? What are some places of worship, but people want to be sure local churches and
worship examples comparing the old and new requirements for a couple of it’s a requirement that meets average, confirm the
specific church properties? Some churches lease their space weekly demand for the use. appropriate GFA
during off-peak times, which is good. requirement.
54 HBA Business Rep There are a number of neighborhood churches with existing parking
deficiencies. Need to make sure the proposed sq ft GFA parking
requirement is appropriate for places of worship
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55 Port Authority Business Rep Office (including, The City competes with the suburbs on business relocation; parking Strong support for changing retail and office As proposed
but not limited to: availability is one dimension of it. uses to 1:400.
administrative, In deals that the Port puts together the parking requirement for
financial, insurance, offices is 5 spaces per 1000 sq ft GFA (1:200 compared to the Some concern raised regarding competing
professional, real 1:400 proposed in revised code). The parking spaces could have for business with suburbs offering ample
estate, and sales been filled in better economic times. parking
56 Chamber of Business offices) What are the retail and office requirements for other cities?
Commerce Owner
57 Port Authority Business Rep Medical or dental Medical uses are more intense than other office uses. For example Range from min. to max. allows for As proposed
clinic, medical the Phalen medical buildings were parked at 6 spaces per 1000 sq reasonable accommodation of parking for
laboratory ft GFA (1:166) medical offices.
58 Comp Plan City Official/ General retail, Consider a higher parking standard for "sin" businesses, e.g., Strong support for changing retail and office As proposed
Committee Commissioner service business, tobacco, tatoo shop, gun shop, shooting gallery, pawn shop, liquor uses to 1:400.
etc. store
59 Bus Review Business Rep Reduction to minimums and consolidation for retail/office uses long Strong support for overall changes to
Council overdue and will make City's commercial corridors more successful minimum parking requirements because they
and easier for entreprenuers. seem more reasonable, and will encourage
60 Payne/Arcade Business Payne Avenue commercial spaces have trouble turning over or development, reuse and redevelopment,
BA and DC Owner being leased because of difficulty making changes to required particularly in commercial corridors where
parking when the use changes. Consolidation of requirements for revitalization is needed and parking should
office and retail uses would be very beneficial in addressing this not be a barrier for development.
problem!
61 Planning City Official/ How does the Trader Joes parking match with our current and Some concern raised regarding competing
Commission Commissioner proposed requirements? How about the new Mississippi Market on for business with suburbs offering ample
W. 7th? parking.
(Trader Joes development: 19,920 sq ft (14,420 grocery, 1000
coffee, 4500 retail) GFA = 83 current required spaces. It provided
120 spaces. Under proposed changes, all uses would park at 1 per
400 = 19,920 sq ft / 400 = 50 spaces minimum / 85 spaces
maximum. Mississippi Market on Selby = 11,200 sq ft and
currently requires 45 spaces. Under proposed change to 1/400, it
would require 28 spaces. The main lot today provides 26 spaces
+20-30 more in adjacent lot.)
62 Payne/Arcade Property St. Paul should set it's minimum commercial parking requirements
BA and DC Owner at 1/500 like Minneapolis so that there is a level playing field. As a
comemrcial property owner, he has experience losing tenants due
to parking issues and they often then look at locating in Mpls.
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63 District Council District Council Mortuary, funeral Majority of new funeral homes built today are Hmong funeral homes Not many comments, but those that did Keep current
Rep home with different customs and hours of operation compared to comment felt very strongly that parking parking standard of
traditional funeral homes. The parking requirement for funeral requirement for funeral homes and 1:150.
homes shouldn't be decreased mortuaries should not change, since these
64 Payne/Arcade Resident Can the requirements for funeral homes be increased? There are a places have strong, peak demand usage,
BA and DC lot of parking spillover issues related to a Hmong funeral home in sometimes lasting for days.
my neighborhood.
Parking management tools may have to be
District 5 staff said that they are about to engage in a mediation employed to handle these uses with historic
process with the funeral home to address some of the community parking deficits.
issues and tensions.
65 Comp Plan City Official/ Dance hall, bingo Consider an appropriate parking standard for businesses with Only 1 comment. Staff believe Dance Halls, Change Dance halls,
Committee Commissioner hall, assembly halls short, but intense peak hours, e.g., events at reception halls, etc. should have a lower parking requirement etc. to 1/200
without fixed seats, funeral homes than establishments with liquor and
exhibition hall, entertainment licenses, but a higher
reception hall requirement than general restaurants.
66 Payne/Arcade Business Rep Establishment with Why not have lower parking requirements for establishments with General support for higher parking As proposed
BA and DC on-sale intoxicating liquor and entertainment licenses? 1/100 seems too high and will requirement for establishments with liquor
liquor and make it difficult for these types of places to move in. and Entertainment Licenses A and B.
entertainment Only one person spoke in favor of having
license class A or B these places be the same as restaurants, in
order for them to open more easily in
commercial areas.
67 Comp Plan City Official/ Restaurant with Consider an appropriate parking standard for restaurants and bars Establishments with beer/wine and Make parking
Committee Commissioner strong malt/wine and with entertainment licenses but without liquor entertainment license class A treated as a requirement for
68 West 7th CC Resident entertainment The turnover of patrons is less if a restaurant has a class A license. restaurant. establishments with
license class A Require a higher parking requirement than other restaurants. beer/wine and
Strong support for eating establishments to entertainment
have the same parking requirement as retail license class A the
and office uses. same as restaurants
(1/400)
69 Mayor's Office City Official/ Restaurant, carry- Having the same parking requirement for restaurants as retail/office Strong support for eating establishments to Change eating
Commissioner out, deli, fast food, would provide regional consistency [with Minneaoplis] and provide have the same parking requirement as retail establishments to
with or without for easier reuse and redevelopment. If eating establishments have and office uses. 1/400
strong malt/wine or a parking requirement similar to retail/office, then consider higher
liquor parking maximum. Having the same requirement can encourage
70 Bus Review Business Parking for eating places should be at 1/200 because parking at development, reuse and redevelopment
Council Owner only 1/400 sets up problems for the business and its neighobrs, particularly in commercial corridors where
competition for limited spaces, and could result in business failure if revitalization is needed and parking should
patrons don't come because they can't find a place to park. not be a barrier for development.
71 Bus Review Business Rep Prefers the 1:400 parking requirement over 1:200 for eating
Council establishments as a way to encourage infill development where Concerns raised regarding parking spillover
land is scarce and the development cost for parking becomes into neighborhoods and expanded on-street
expensive parking restrictions.
72 Chamber of Business Rep Allow eating places to be 1 per 400 like other retail/office, knowing
Commerce that most people will provide more than that if they need it.
However, allow a higher maximum in this case.
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Concerns raised regarding parking spillover
into neighborhoods and expanded on-street
parking restrictions.
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73 Como Park Business Rep Businesses may prefer the 1:400 requirement over the 1:200
Pavillion requirement so long as permit parking doesn't expand to such a
level that disallows any spillover from restaurant patrons
74 Council Office City Official/ Fast-food restaurants may require/want larger lots to accommodate
Commissioner a customer base with larger vehicles, e.g. buses, utility vehicles,
etc.
Site design standards for where parking should be located can be
in conflict with typical fast-food locations
75 Dayton's Bluff Non Profit Prefers the 1:400 parking requirement over 1:200 for eating
CC establishments from a land use perspective, to encourage other
forms of transportation, and environmental stewardship.
76 Dayton's Bluff Resident Prefers the 1:400 parking requirement as a means to drive multi-
CC modal use.
77 Direct Contact District Council The SAPCC recommends requiring even less parking, particularly
(email, phone, Rep for eating establishments. SAPCC would rather see the
letter) requirement at 400 sq feet than 200, which would allow more
neighborhood café’s and restaurants in areas such as Como and
Carter, which do not have a lot of available land for parking lots.
78 MCCD Developer Make eating places 1/400, just like retail and office uses. This is a
good idea for reuse and commercial revitalization.
79 Metro IBA Business Concerned that eating places and coffee shops already have
Owner restricted parking in areas like Grand Ave. Further reductions,
especially to 1 per 400 would be too steep and lack of available
parking would drive away customers.
80 Metro IBA Business Eating places at 1 per 400 would create some spillover parking and
Owner competition for limited spaces, but if these places move in next
door, it creates more potential customers for adjacent businesses
and is therefore worth the parking hassles.
81 Payne/Arcade Property 1/400 for eating places would be great because it would make it
BA and DC Owner easier for entrepreneurs to establish a restaurant or coffee shop
since they wouldn't have to add parking to lease a space.
82 Planning City Official/ Restaurant, carry- If we allow eating places at 1 per 400, can we limit how many there Strong support for eating establishments to Change eating
Commission Commissioner out, deli, fast food, are in proximity to one another or the size of the establishments to have the same parking requirement as retail establishments to
with or without avoid overconcentration of potential parking spillover and office uses. 1/400
strong malt/wine or establishments?
83 West 7th CC Resident liquor Prefers the 1:200 parking requirement rather than 1:400. If a Having the same requirement can encourage
restaurant can't supply the minimum required parking then would development, reuse and redevelopment
need to seek a variance, which allows a needed checkpoint in the particularly in commercial corridors where
process. Intensification of activity may result in safety issues. revitalization is needed and parking should
84 West 7th CC Resident What has been the experience of other cities, e.g., Milwaukee, not be a barrier for development.
Denver, who have had the same office and eating establishment in
place for awhile? Concerns raised regarding parking spillover
85 West 7th CC District Council Prefers the 1:400 parking requirement over 1:200 for eating into neighborhoods and expanded on-street
Rep establishments from a land use perspective and to encourage other parking restrictions.
forms of transportation.
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86 Comp Plan City Official/ Automobile repairIs there a trade-off between parking for auto repair and auto One part of the city is concerned about auto As proposed
Committee Commissioner station, servicestorage space? repair and service businesses going to 1/400
In some areas of the city there may be concerns with decreasing
87 District Council District Council station, body shop, causing spillover or alternative use of those
Rep specialty store the parking requirement for auto-related uses (e.g., repair, sales) spaces on the property.
88 Payne/Arcade Resident It makes sense for auto convenience businesses to be at the 1/400 However, there will be very few instances of
BA and DC requirement, but auto repair and service businesses are different redev./new devel triggering the requirement
and are a big problem in the neighborhood. Do not lower the and thus it doesn't matter much either way if
requirement for these businesses; "it's the wrong message for the it changes.
chronic offender". If these businesses don't need as many parking
places for customers, they may start to use the extra spaces for CUPs are required for auto-related uses to
parking more repair vehicles. address broader concerns about the
89 Staff Work City Staff Parking for auto repair and services should be 1/400, like other business' look and operations.
Group retail and office, because the intensity of parking created by the use
is similar; there is no justification for it to be higher. CUPs are
required for these businesses and issues and concerns about the
look and operation of the business (e.g., vehicle storage) can be
dealt with better in the CUP, than by needlessly requiring more
parking than needed.
90 Port Authority Business Rep Limited production Ok with minimum parking requirement for Limited Production and 1 comment - liked it. As proposed
and processing Processing and Industrial/Manufacturing, assuming that associated
office space is calculated separately.
91 Port Authority Business Rep Wholesale Wholesaling has a higher intensity of use than warehousing and Little comment on parking for wholesaling, Keep current
establishment, storage (e.g., J&J). Therefore, they should not have the same however raised important concern that Wholesaling parking
warehousing and parking requirement wholesaling businesses are more intense standard at 1/1,500
storage than warehousing.
Retained current requirement for
wholesaling; warehousing and storage
change as proposed.
SECTION 63.207 (b). REDUCED PARKING MINIMUMS
92 Colleges & College Rep College, university, If additional minimum parking is required for a particular college or Support for further reductions to minimum As proposed
Universities seminary, technical university due to changes in head count, then they should be able parking requirements through shared parking
college, trade school, to use incentives for decreasing parking such as bike parking, arrangements, bike parking and mixed-use
business school, arts share-car, shared-parking agreements, etc. corridors, particularly in commercial corridors
school, dance school where revitalization is needed and parking
93 Blog/Online Non Profit n/a Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: "Parking needs to be a should not be a barrier for development
Comment premium and no longer free and eat into the costs of opening a
small business or doing development projects. With car sharing,
bike parking, and access to mass transit would give projects points
that eliminate the need to create new off-street parking..."
94 Blog/Online Other n/a Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: "Reducing the width of the
Comment street or the number of parking spaces WILL NOT make more
people ride bikes or take buses...A bike or bus is not always an
option."
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SECTION 63.207 (c), (d). MAXIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY USE
95 Chamber of Business Establishment with on- Maximum seems too restrictive. What would be the minimum - General support for applying parking Require CUP when
Commerce Owner sale intoxicating liquor maximum range for my business under the proposed changes? maximums across the City. Mixed feedback maximum is
and entertainment on the maximum parking ceiling: some exceeded.
license class A or B thought it was too high, others thought it was
96 Chamber of Business Rep General retail, service Talk to Target and find out what they think of the maximum parking too restrictive. Set maximum for
Commerce business, etc. requirements for their type of business. Concerns raised about not providing eating
97 Blog/Online Resident n/a Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: "off-street parking is a must adequate parking to meet an individual establishments at
Comment for any commercial or residential property. There are only 2 things business' needs and the cost of seeking a 300%, if minimum at
that happen when there's no parking - 1, everyone parks on the variance. 1/400.
street...Or 2, most people won't go there any more... The argument
seems to be that by reducing the amount of parking, you'll Require a Conditional Use Permit when a
magically create alternative transportation. It might make some sort property wants to exceed the parking
of sense if at least you were replacing the parking with alternative maximum.
transportation using that same space. But when you just build more Increase parking maximums for eating
condos and businesses, all it results in is a mess." establishments in light of significantly lower
98 Bus Review Business In principle, maximum parking is bad because it is not up to the parking minimums.
Council Owner government to tell someone how much parking is too much. Extra
parking does not hurt anything, but can be cheaper than
landscaping, good for attracting customers, a revenue source when
leased out to others, and can be leased or donated for seasonal
use.
99 Chamber of Business Rep Consider varying the max requirement by type of use (particularly
Commerce for restaurants).
In general a parking max will have more of an impact in less
developed areas of the City where land is available to add parking.
100 Como Park Business Rep Seeking a variance can be time consuming and expensive. Instead
Pavillion of having a maximum parking ceiling of 170%, just add another step
of even higher landscaping requirements to offest the negative
aspects of larger parking lots; be more flexible to allow people to go
above the maximum.
101 Como Park Business The City needs to consider the economic impact to a business that
Pavillion Owner is not allowed to supply the amount of parking needed to serve its
customers. I'm concerned that the maximum would prevent me
from adding as many spaces as I need to accommodate my
customers.
102 Comp Plan City Official/ Consider requiring a CUP rather than Variance if development
Committee Commissioner wants to exceed the parking maximum
103 Comp Plan City Official/ Why is structured parking better than surface parking with
Committee Commissioner stormwater landscaping and other conditions?
Are there unintended consequences of allowing structured parking
(without a CUP or variance) when the max is exceeded?
104 Council Office City Official/ Is oversupply of parking really an issue today? Are there examples
Commissioner of sites with greater than 170% of the parking minimum?
105 Dayton's Bluff Non Profit A max of 170% still seems too high.
CC Consider requiring a TDM plan if want to park above the maximum.
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106 Other City Staff Does the max requirement send a message to big business that
"we don't want them in St Paul?"
107 West 7th CC Resident Areas like Grand Ave where there is a perceived parking deficiency
should consider a Parking Improvement District, cooperative
parking arrangements, etc. to meet its parking needs at a macro
level
108 Payne/Arcade Resident Why are parking maximums triggered in a lot of 10 or more
BA and DC spaces? Why is '10' the correct threshhold? Should it be
somewhat higher?
SECTION 63.208. PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR OTHER USES
109 District Council District Council n/a A use is not specified for parks or amusement parks such as Only 1 comment specific to a rare type of use As proposed
Rep ComoTown. There have been neighborhood parking (amusement park); rare uses are covered
issues/concerns with ComoTown. What would be the parking under Section 63.208, Parking requirements
requirement for ComoTown or its equivalent? for other uses
SECTION 63.210. BICYCLE PARKING
110 Blog/Online Resident n/a Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: "I know there are still places Strong support for increased bicycle parking As proposed
Comment for me that I won't [bike], or am reluctant to bike to because there's requirements and for reducing vehicle
no or limited bike parking." parking by providing additional bicycle
111 Blog/Online Resident Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: "Clearly the guiding parking.
Comment assumption is that we need to set minimum parking requirements
for cars, but not minimum access requirements for transit and
bicycle users represents more of the same...My big suggestion to
improve the plan is to include minimum bicycle parking
requirements for all new commercial and multi-unit residential
developments."
112 Direct Contact Resident "I am very happy with the general direction of the city's planning,
(email, phone, but feel a critical piece is missing in this parking study. St. Paul
letter) should include a minimum level of bicycle parking for all retail,
office and commercial establishments. Philadelphia and San
Francisco recently adopted minimum bicycle parking levels;
Pittsburgh is also considering the issue...I know there is a provision
in the plan currently that would reduce the number of minimum
spaces if bicycle parking is included in a development, but I feel this
won't do nearly enough. Just like we know parking needs to be
reasonably accessible for people to come to a given neighborhood
or commercial district, we know that quality bicycle parking needs
to be available for people to choose to bike somewhere as well."
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SECTION 63.212. MIXED-USE CORRIDORS
113 Bus Review Business Rep n/a Is there a different way to determine the Mixed Use Corridors? For General support for reduced parking As proposed
Council example, if traffic counts are high compared to other modes of requirements along mixed-use corridors,
transportation on a given street (e.g., Snelling), then it might be an particularly in commercial corridors where
indicator that the business is auto-dependent and that customers revitalization is needed and parking should
won't take other modes of transportation, therefore the street not be a barrier for development.
shouldn't be a Mixed-Use Corridor.
114 Comp Plan City Staff Concerns raised that Mixed-Use Corridors may be "double dipping" Some concerns raised about mode
Committee on parking reductions connectivity on mixed-use corridors and
115 Comp Plan City Official/ Will MetroTransit provide the level of service required on Mixed-use reductions in areas with historical parking
Committee Commissioner Corridors? In areas where transit isn't available today, will adding deficits.
transit "squeeze" on-street parking and traffic lanes?
116 Council Office City Official/ Consider allowing a mixed-use corridor reduction based on type of
Commissioner use. For example affordable housing vs. an employment center like
an office complex
117 Dayton's Bluff Non Profit When defining Mixed-Use Corridors consider a street's connection
CC to other transportation modes, e.g., bike trails.
Marshall Ave should be considered as a possible Mixed Use
Corridor from Snelling to the River based on transit, bike lanes,
commercial corridor development (not on the current map)
118 MCCD Developer A 10% reduction for mixed-use corridors may not be enough for
some small businesses on transit friendly streets with customers
who don't drive (e.g., a corner grocery on Rice St)
119 Planning City Official/ Why not use the term 'transit street' instead of 'mixed use corridor'?
Commission Commissioner Isn't that really the point?
Depends if you want to approximate a street's overall multi-modal
potential or only its transit potential.
120 West 7th CC Resident Using an additional "mixed use corridor" reduction for minimum
parking is a good idea in underdeveloped commercial corridors like
W 7th where there is available parking already.
121 West 7th CC Resident "Mixed use corridor" reduction is not a good idea for Grand, on top
of the proposed reductions to use requirements, since parking is
already tight. It's better to use it on corridors where very strong
transit service already exists.
122 Staff Work City Staff A Mixed Use Corridor reduction is a good idea. The 2030 Land
Group Use map (under review by Met Council) has a presumption of
density and activity on mixed-use corridors in St Paul. Many of
these areas do overlap with the City's commercial corridors, which
should be designed to support more multi-modal transportation
options and therefore less single-occupancy vehicle parking.
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SECTION 63.213. PREFERENTIAL PARKING SPACES
123 Como Park Business Rep n/a Setting aside spaces for certain types of vehicles may be a waste Mixed feedback on whether preferential Decide whether
Pavillion of parking spaces and too hard to regulate. This isn't worth doing. parking spaces should be required or required or optional,
124 Como Park Business Rep I like the idea because it encourages people to think differently. optional.
Pavillion and if motorcycles
125 Como Park Business Would preferential parking spaces be mandated or optional? Designating preferential parking spaces should be included.
Pavillion Owner Perhaps a requirement for certain types (e.g., office building) or encourages people to think differently about
sizes of lots (large)? what they drive, but may be hard to enforce
126 Dayton's Bluff Resident Preferential parking signage is a good way to get people to think or overburdensome for most use types.
CC about mode choice.
127 Payne/Arcade Resident Preferential parking signage and enforcement is too complicated
BA and DC and not worth it. Don't add this provision.
128 Planning City Official/ You should include designated motorcycle and scooter spots in the
Commission Commissioner preferential parking options.
ARTICLE III. 63.300. OFF-STREET PARKING FACILITY STANDARDS AND DESIGN
SECTION 63.302. SITE PLAN REVIEW
129 Comp Plan City Official/ n/a Should employee parking location be reviewed during the site plan only 1 comment As proposed
Committee Commissioner process? Can employee parking location be designated?
SECTION 63.303. PARKING LOCATION, RESIDENTIAL
130 MCCD Developer One- and two-family Garages are not technically required in the zoning code, but when Requirement to have a dwelling garage not As proposed
dwelling unit PED provides funding for Housing Developments it wants the covered under off-street parking code
developer to provide garages, which can increase the cost of
development (but increase value for future sale)
SECTION 63.304. PARKING LOCATION, NONRESIDENTIAL
131 Bus Review Business n/a Requiring parking within 500' of a business may not be feasible in Mixed feedback on the distance of parking As proposed
Council Owner some cases. What if a business wants/needs to exceed that from the property it serves. Parking needs to
distance? be an accessible distance from the property
132 Bus Review Business Parking needs to be an accessible distance from the business. In it serves.
Council Owner some cases people won't walk around a building when parking is in
the back and it may be less than 500' Designating parking located farther than 500'
133 Colleges & College Rep consider a change in the theater/auditorium/arena requirement, from the property can be handled under a
Universities which now specifies 1 parking space for every 4 seats, within 600 variance request.
feet of the building. I question the "600 foot" requirement and
believe that as long as we provide the parking on campus, isn't that
the key thing? People are used to walking a block or two to get to
buildings and venues on campus. Our new parking ramp (724
spaces) is more than 600 feet from the stadium or the new
basketball/volleyball arena, and many people coming to games will
be using the ramp (or some of the nearly 2,000 other parking
spaces spread around campus, some within 600 feet and some
beyond 600 feet).
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134 Dayton's Bluff Resident Consider having a requirement for valet parking as an alternative to
CC having parking spaces on site or within 500'. Would valet parking
require a shared parking agreement?
SECTION 63.305. MINIMUM LAYOUT DIMENSIONS
135 Como Park Property n/a You require all 75 to 90 degree parking spaces to have a 20 foot Concerns raised about challenges in the Update
Pavillion Owner wide maneuvering lane. If you enter a parking space directly from existing code with entrances and Maneuvering Lane
the alley into a 90 degree parking space, a 20 area behind the maneuvering lanes for properties sharing an and Entry/Exit
parking space seems to be an excessive amount of impervious alley with residential uses. language to allow
space. You could address this by either cutting the required access to small
maneuvering lane to one-half the stated distance which will still give parking facilities via
the cars pulling in some room to back out and stay out of the way of an alley
the traffic in the alley. Thus, one way to eliminate the maneuvering
lane is to put an asterisk after the 20 ft in the last column and then
below the table you state that:
" * When there is only one row of parking spaces in a parking lot
where the vehicles enter the parking space directly from an alley,
the maneuvering lane shall only be one-half (1/2) the required
maneuvering lane width."
SECTION 63.308. MANEUVERING LANES
136 Como Park Property n/a Most of these alley right-of-ways are only 15 feet in width. I see Concerns raised about challenges in the Update
Pavillion Owner that you want to eliminate some of the curb cuts and I think it is a existing code with entrances and Maneuvering Lane
good idea to also cut down on the amount of impervious area. maneuvering lanes for properties sharing an and Entry/Exit
One way to cut down on the curb cuts is to allow some of the alley with residential uses. language to allow
parking lots to enter from the alley. One way to approach it would access to small
be to change the lead in wording of 63.308 to exclude parking lots parking facilities via
coming directly off of an alley but to me this then would waive the an alley
requirement of having some space behind the cars which is
needed. You could eliminate the [suggested] language for 63.305
and insert additional wording could be added to 63.308 essentially
cutting the maneuvering lane to one-half the specified amount in
63.308. An example would be to add another sentence at the end
of the section which could read as follows:
"If entrance into a parking space in a parking lot comes directly off
of an alley, the width of the maneuvering lane shall only be one-half
(1/2) of the distance set forth in 63.308."
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SECTION 63.310. ENTRANCES AND EXITS
137 Como Park Property n/a I think [the proposed parking revisions] is a positive step forward Concerns raised about challenges in the Update
Pavillion Owner but I would also like to suggest some changes to the ordinances existing code with entrances and Maneuvering Lane
with respect to areas with mixed-use such as Snelling Avenue maneuvering lanes for properties sharing an and Entry/Exit
where you have many businesses with lots that back up to alleys alley with residential uses. language to allow
that service both residential and commercial and/or backup to access to small
residential property. parking facilities via
138 Como Park Property Code Section 63.310 raises many problems for small parking lots an alley
Pavillion Owner where entrance is desired to come off of an alley. The first one
has to deal with 63.310 (c) in that entrance and exits to and from all
parking facilities in non residential property shall be 25 feet from the
adjoining residential property. Although previously this has not
been enforced for small lots coming off of an alley, it is on the
books and should be relaxed to allow entrance from an alley for
smaller parking lots. Many older alley right of ways are only 15 feet
in width. Thus, if this is technically enforced it essentially precludes
any parking lots from alleys in most areas of the city without a
variance because you could never have 25' distance to an entrance
to a parking facility from an alley adjoining residential property
because most right-of-ways are 15 to 20 feet. This rule has not
been enforced in the past and should be changed to permit small
parking lots to enter the lot from alleys under 63.310(F)(4). I would
reduce the number of feet to 15 feet for parking lot entrances from
alleys.
SECTION 63.311. WHEEL STOPS
139 Como Park Property n/a In section 63.311 (Wheel Stops) there seems potentially to be One comment identifying a language conflict Clarify wording for
Pavillion Owner some conflict in the wording with 63.305. The wording in 63.311 is between Minimum Layout Dimensions and Wheelstops and
as follows: "Provisions shall be made to prevent vehicles from Wheelstops. Minimum Layout
damaging or overhanging adjacent property, public rights-of-way or Dimensions to allow
required landscaping that allows up to two (2) feet of vehicle vehicle overhang
overhang." Do you allow 2' of a required parking space to permit into landscaped
overhang or do you not? Just thought this may need to be clarified areas
because it wasn't clear to me what this language meant. Does the
above language mean that if I am going to have an 18' deep stall,
the physical dimensions only need to be 16 feet because I can then
count the 2 feet of overhang? If so, then you will end up with more
green space.
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SECTION 63.314. LANDSCAPING
140 Blog/Online Resident n/a Posting on TCStreetsForPeople.org: "...it does seem like we’re Strong support for enhanced landscaping Update tree
Comment moving in the right direction by lowering the minimum number of requirements as a means to increase requirement to 1
required spaces and increasing the amount of landscaping and performance of stormwater management, tree per 5 parking
shade trees required. That’s good." reduce negative environmental impacts and spaces.
141 Bus Review Business Rep Enhanced landscape requirements will make parking lots look improve parking lot aesthetics.
Council better and have fewer environmental impacts. This is the right Add internal
thing to do. Interest in requiring safe pedestrian access walkway
142 Bus Review Business Rep Will there be enforcement of landscaping requirements? Often through large parking facilities. requirement for lots
Council times trees and landscaping aren't maintained. There is a cost to greater than 125,000
maintaining landscaping that may be higher than paving the area Concerns raised regarding landscape square feet.
143 Bus Review Business Rep If there are greater landscaping and stormwater management maintenance and enforcement as well as
Council requirements, then the City needs to provide some additional costs compared to pavement.
guidance as small business owners may not be versed in these Update the City's documentation on
topics landscaping and stormwater management
144 Chamber of City Staff Interior landscape requirement seems like a big jump to go from given to developers with site plan application.
Commerce requiring landscaping for lots with 50 parking spaces to lots with 20
parking spaces
145 Chamber of Business Rep What do other cities require for minimum interior landscaping?
Commerce
146 Dayton's Bluff Resident Parking facilities should be designed for pedestrian safety within
CC the lot (e.g., walkways in large lots) and at entrances/exits (e.g.,
stop signs, marked cross-walks).
147 MCCD Developer Parking facilities should be designed for pedestrian safety within
the lot (e.g., walkways in large lots)
148 MCCD Developer Will there be enforcement of landscaping requirements? Often
times trees and landscaping aren't maintained.
149 Staff Work City Staff Although not in the current code, site plan review staff have
Group generally been requesting that trees be placed in perimeter
landscaping at 35 foot intervals. This practice should be codified.
However, it's easier to interpret and administer a requirement
based on 1 tree per # of spaces, instead of on lineal feet. 1 tree/4-
5 spaces would approximate 1 tree per 35 feet.
SECTION 63.316. PAVING
150 West 7th CC Resident n/a Are pervious pavers an option or being encouraged for parking Pervious pavement is allowed under the As proposed
spaces above the minimum? proposed code changes that would go into
effect with the Infill Design Standards
currently under review by the City Council.
SECTION 63.317. PARKING STRUCTURES
151 Comp Plan City Official/ n/a Can a stand-alone parking facility be built? Stand-alone parking facilities can be built As proposed
Committee Commissioner Is it possible to bank land for future parking? under the existing code and under the
revised code.
Undeveloped land could be banked for future
parking needs.
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ARTICLE I. 63.100. GENERAL PROVISIONS AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS
SECTION 63.122. TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT
152 Chamber of Business Rep n/a Why require TDM --can't you use incentives instead? What would General support for requiring TDM planning As proposed
Commerce the financial guarantee amount to for a couple of sample projects? for projects with more than 100 spaces,
153 Colleges & College Rep Colleges and universities are a great place to do TDM planning and although some concerns about the
Universities should be rewarded with reduced parking requirements if they cost/financial guarantee and not wanting it to
employ TDM strategies. be too onerous.
154 District Council District Council What is the cost to a business of creating and implementing a TDM
Rep Plan?
155 District Council District Council Consider having Smart Trips get involved with college/ university
Rep campuses to create TDM plans?
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