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					                             MINUTES
                HOME INSPECTOR EXAMINERS COMMITTEE

                                     June 2, 2009



COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: Denver Talley, Rod Van Gordon, Johnny
Cullison, Dan LaBrake, John Jones, Rusty Hartsell.

PRESENT FROM THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRIES BOARD: Nathan Powell,
Administrator, Rick Denny, Legal Counsel, Richard Hager and Joanne Bohn.

OTHERS PRESENT:, Fred Ayers, ORCIA; Charles Rupprecht; Dale Lewis; Edward O.
McEntire, New Horizons Inspections; Jim Gendill, Anasazi Home Inspections, Beverly
Rousey, Tulsa Tech.
CALL TO ORDER:

Mr. Denver Talley, Chairman, called the meeting of the Home Inspectors Committee to
order at 10:00a.m. at 2401 NW 23rd Street, Suite 5, Shepherd Mall, Oklahoma City, OK
73107.

STATEMENT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETING ACT:

This regular meeting of the Committee of Home Inspectors Examiners, scheduled to
begin at 10:00 a.m. on this second day of June, 2009, has been convened in accordance
with the Oklahoma Open Meeting Act, Title 25, and Sections 301 through 314. Further,
an advance public notice that was sent to the Secretary of State by facsimile December
11th, 2008, prior to this time today, specifying the time and place of the meeting here
convened, preceded this meeting. Notice of this meeting was given at least twenty-four
(24) hours prior here to and no one has filed a written request of notice of meetings of
this public body to date.

Read aloud by Joanne Bohn this second day of June, 2009.



ACTION ITEMS:


APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 7, 2009 MEETING MINUTES


A MOTION WAS MADE BY JOHN JONES WITH A SECOND BY ROD VAN
GORDON TO APPROVE APRIL 7, 2009 MEETING MINUTES AFTER
AMMENDED SPELLING ERRORS.
                                      MOTION PASSED
Voting Aye: Denver Talley
            Dan LaBrake
            Johnny Cullison
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            John Jones
            Rusty Hartsell
            Rod Van Gordon


EDUCATION AND TRAINING COURSES APPROVAL FROM INTERNACHI

Mr. Cullison recommends that the courses presented met the criteria for approval, the
only exception being the course on Wood Destroying Organism.

A MOTION WAS MADE BY JOHNNY CULLISON WITH A SECOND BY DAN
LABRAKE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATIONS FROM INTERNACHI FOR
TRAINING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WOOD DESTROYING MOTION
PASSED

Voting Aye:   Denver Talley
              Johnny Cullison
              Rusty Hartsell
              Dan LaBrake
              John Jones
              Rod Van Gordon




INSTRUCTOR BENJAMIN GROMICKO APPLICATION

Mr. Cullison reviewed the application of Mr. Gromicko and made the recommendation to
approve.


A MOTION WAS MADE BY JOHNNY CULLISON WITH A SECOND BY RUSTY
HARTSELL       TO       APPROVE       THE        INSTRUCTOR
APPLICATION.                                 MOTION PASSED

Voting Aye:   Denver Talley
              Johnny Cullison
              Dan LaBrake
              John Jones
              Rusty Hartsell
              Rod Van Gordon




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COMPLAINT RECOMMENDATIONS

Mr. Powell presented the findings on the following complaints under investigation
carried over from the Dept. Of Health; Whitson, Warnke, Hequet and Moore. Mr. Powell
recommends dismissing all of the cases based on the fact that they found no violation of
the Home Inspector‟s Act or Regulations.


A MOTION WAS MADE BY JOHN JONES AND SECONDED BY JOHNNY
CULLISON TO DISMISS THE COMPLAINTS AS LISTED ABOVE.
                                                MOTION PASSED

Voting Aye:                                                       ABSTAIN:

              Johnny Cullison                                      Denver Talley
              Rusty Hartsell
              Dan LaBrake
              John Jones
              Rod Van Gordon

ASSIGNMENTS OF COMPLAINTS

Mr. Powell explained that the following complaints Williams, Franklin and Russell have
under gone a review by himself and Mr. Denny, for jurisdictional determination. No
findings have been made, and recommend that they be assigned to Mr. Hager for
investigation.

A MOTION WAS MADE BY RUSTY HARTSELL AND SECONDED BY DAN
LABRAKE TO ASSIGN THE PREVIOUS LISTED COMPLAINTS TO RICHARD
HAGER FOR INVESTIGATION

Voting Aye:                                         Abstain:
Denver Talley
Dan LaBrake                                         Rod Van Gordon
Johnny Cullison
John Jones
Rusty Hartsell

DISCUSSION CIB POLICY RE: PARTIAL OR LIMITED INSPECTIONS

Mr. LaBrake discussed the issue that in the eastern part of the state, less then a Home
Inspection is being performed by inspectors; only partial inspections are being done.
Consumers are not aware that only partial inspections are being done. Inspectors are not
listing in their reports that they are not inspecting everything they‟re supposed to. Mr.
LaBrake recommends having the client signature on these reports, so that the client
understands and accepts that they are receiving a partial inspection and not a home
inspection. Consumers are not aware that major areas of the inspection are being left out.
Further discussion on that the fee is different, and that the real estate community thinks
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that Home Inspectors are not qualified to do the structural components of the inspection,
thus pushing that process to the engineers. EMP or Electrical, Mechanical and Plumbing
“mini” inspections are being done by Home Inspectors. Mr. Powell explained that the
policy states that an inspection that does not include the full range of identified items,
would need to be documented and signed off by the consumer. Mr. Van Gordon
explained that consumers are not asking for a Home Inspection, they are asking for an
EMP and you do not need to be licensed to do a partial inspection. Mr. LaBrake „s
concern is that, by law, if a licensed inspector does an EMP, he must list on that report
what items he did not look at and why. Mr. Denny explained that in the new rules there
are requirements in two places that if a licensee does anything other then a full
inspection, he must document that and the reasons why. The other being that the
consumer must sign the contract, thus acknowledging the specifics of the inspection. It
was discussed that if home inspectors are signing off with their license number on EMP‟s
then they are responsible to list what they are not inspecting. The new rules will help the
consumer understand exactly what is being inspected, and what is not, by requiring their
signature. Mr. Powell made a commitment that the CIB will notify licensee, post the new
rules and provide the Real Estate Commission with the new rules.



DISCUSSION REGARDING REAL ESTATE PUBLICATIONS

Mr. Ayers discussed that the Real Estate Commissions pamphlet is misleading, calling it
a “short cut to closing”, misrepresenting what a Home Inspection is. The perception is
that the buyer can use anyone he deems qualified to complete a home inspection. Mr.
Ayers explained that a “great amount of confusion exists surrounding what a home
inspection actually is and what are the components of the inspection. The consumer is in
many situations, not advised properly prior to the inspection what the Oklahoma Statute
minimum inspection includes.” “ORCIA would like to make the recommendation that the
Examiner Committee endorse and promulgate the attached forms. The promulgation of
these forms will insure home inspectors advise their clients of the Oklahoma minimum
systems and components, thereby removing any doubt.” Mr. Jones suggests that the
contract is being misinterpreted; the home owner is given items that can be inspected and
should beware saying that if the buyer has any concerns; they have 10 days of signing the
contract, to walk. The intent is not to bring the Home Inspection Industry into that
contract. Mr. LaBrake discussed that the Real Estate Commission does a good job
explaining that consumers should be careful of who is doing the inspection and that they
should be licensed. Mr. Van Gordon praised ORCIA for doing a great job with its
membership; telling them what Home Inspectors need to be doing as ORCIA members,
following the standards and educating the consumer, to doing quality inspections.
Consensus is that the real estate community needs to be educated on the standards of the
Home Inspection Rules and Statutes; however it will be easier to require the Home
Inspectors to get the consumer signature then to educate 20,000+ realtors.




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Public Comments

Beverly Rousey from Tulsa Tech inquired regarding Providers being notified of changes
to the Pre-Licensing and Continue Education Classes, required hours that will be
changing.

Mr. Dale Lewis; Home Inspector stated that if you educate the Real Estate Brokers, they
can in turn educate the realtors, who can inform the consumers correctly.

Rusty Hartsell informed the committee that he would not be attending the July or August
Board meetings.

Rod Van Gordon announced that this was his last meeting and introduced Jim Gendill as
his replacement.




NEW BUSINESS

There was no new business.

ADJOURNMENT

A MOTION WAS MADE BY ROD VAN GORDON AND SECONDED BY DAN
LABRAKE TO ADJOURN.
                                            MOTION PASSED
Voting Aye: Denver Talley
            Johnny Cullison
            Dan LaBrake
            John Jones
            Rusty Hartsell
            Rod Van Gordon




Minutes approved in regular Session on the fourth of August, 2009


                                    Denver Talley, Chairman
PREPARED BY:

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Joanne Bohn, Home Inspector Secretary




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