WRIA 8 Joint Forum/Steering Committee Meeting Notes October 19, 2006 Members Present Don Davidson, Forum Chair (Councilmember, Bellevue); Jean Garber, Forum Vice Chair (Mayor, Newcastle); Larry Phillips, Steering Committee Co-Chair (Councilmember, King County); Dan Clawson (Councilmember, Renton); Geoff Clayton (Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce); Bruce Dodds (Councilmember, Clyde Hill); Ted Frantz (Councilmember, Hunts Point); Laure Iddings (Mayor, Maple Valley); Rosemarie Ives (Mayor, Redmond); Kirk Lakey (WA Department of Fish and Wildlife); Joan McBride (Deputy Mayor, Kirkland); Louise Miller (Citizen Representative); Roger Olstad (Councilmember, Lake Forest Park); Andrea Perry (Councilmember, Bothell); Michele Petitti (Councilmember, Sammamish); Ray Power (The Boeing Company); Linda Smith (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers); Cleve Steward (Sustainable Fisheries Foundation); Mike Todd (Councilmember, Mill Creek); Frank Urabeck (Citizen Representative); Cathy VonWald (Mayor, Woodinville); Janet Way (Councilmember, Shoreline). Others Present Charles Beck (Snohomish County); Dennis Canty (Evergreen Funding Associates); Dennis Canty’s daughter; Rika Cecil (Shoreline); Jenny Gaus (Kenmore); Roy George (Water District Commissioner); Sandy Kilroy (WRIA 8 Service Provider Representative, King County); Jennifer Knauer (King County); Bill Knutsen (King Conservation District); Frank Leonetti (Snohomish County); John Lombard (Sustainable Fisheries Foundation); Kit Paulsen (Bellevue); Jean White (Seattle); Linda Grob (WRIA 8 Administrative Coordinator); Mary Jorgensen (WRIA 8 Acting Watershed Coordinator); Steve Kropp (WRIA 8 Project and Funding Coordinator). Introductions and Public Comment Don Davidson opened the meeting and invited people to introduce themselves. Mary Jorgensen, Acting Watershed Coordinator, announced that the Watershed Coordinator position is open and advertised, and she said she will be returning to her former position of Project and Funding Coordinator. She praised Steve Kropp’s work backfilling that position on a term-limited basis. Don Davidson lauded Mary and Steve’s work during WRIA 8’s transition year and presented them with ceremonial salmon (non- endangered chocolate). Updates Puget Sound Governance: Mary Jorgensen reported that Doug Osterman, the WRIA 9 Watershed Coordinator, worked with the WRIA 9 Steering Committee to draft a letter concerning the governance of the Puget Sound Partnership. Since then the Partnership has revised their governance document to include more on the role of watershed. Mary asked if, as a group, the Forum/Steering Committee would like to comment on the governance structure, and possibly customize the WRIA 9 letter for WRIA 8. The next Puget Sound Partnership public meeting was Tuesday in Renton. Don Davidson said he was concerned that the Partnership may overshadow our efforts, and that the process would become top down. Cleve Steward agreed, and said we want a two-way discussion, and to stay in that loop as much as possible. Councilmember Davidson said he would like buyoff from the group to draft a letter that he and Larry Phillips would sign. Frank Urabeck said he supported sending a letter that would even be stronger than WRIA 9’s letter. He commented that we want more involvement and funding then the Puget Sound Partnership is proposing, and a clearer idea of integration. WRIA 8 Forum/Steering Committee Meeting Summary 10/19/06 Page 2 Mary Jorgensen said she would draft a letter tomorrow. Don Davidson remarked the he would like to speak to it at Tuesday’s public meeting. NOAA Review: Mary Jorgensen reported that at the last Shared Strategy meeting Elizabeth Babcock of NOAA Fisheries spoke about their review of the conservation plans. WRIA 8 was a concern earlier because of a comment submitted to NOAA about WRIA 8 not having targets for salmon conservation. Mary said that the comment has been addressed and was no longer a concern. Don Davidson noted that we do have targets, but they are misunderstood. WRIA 8 did not adopt targets, based on the rationale that population goals were strictly the purview of the co-managers. WRIA 8 focused on habitat objectives. WRIA 8 Funding Strategy Overview and Opinions Dennis Canty, Evergreen Funding Associates, reviewed the funding assumptions that were presented in 2004. That year the largest funding segment was local, with state and federal shares lower, which is the reverse of other watersheds. In 2004 the Steering Committee’s decision on funding included looking at raising $17.3 million annually, sustaining the base, diversifying federal sources, and grant writing for competitive sources. Dennis said in 2006 the base we hoped would continue is now looking vulnerable. Federal money is much tighter. The Pacific Salmon Fund took a 25% cut last year, and this year it equals $20 million, to be spread across a five state area. There are also no new dedicated salmon sources like those that were considered in 2004, because public support was not sufficiently strong. The good news is other sources have emerged, thanks to our congressional delegation. Mitigation funding to support salmon recovery work is promising, but not totally successful at this point. He said it might be possible to use projects in your Conservation Plan to fulfill mitigation needs. Dennis explained that we are probably still close today to the 2004 base, and we are still dependent on annual appropriations. As far as WRIA-level fundraising goes, the KCD process is still strong, but a coordinated grant-seeking effort hasn’t really happened here. A shared capacity across jurisdictions would provide greater success at going after funding. The Forum has a role to play in fundraising at the regional and state level. He said we achieved a lot for salmon recovery with a low-level lobbying effort, but he didn’t think we could expect to be that lucky in the future. It will be more difficult to raise money without a stronger lobbying effort, and it is crucial that elected officials are active in encouraging political support for new funding proposals. Dennis concluded by asking if WRIA 8 wants to continue to aim for $17.3 million per year, and if so, do you want to commit to ramp up on fundraising. Discussion: ▪ Janet Way asked for examples of development projects that were successful. Dennis Canty explained that there are three steps to mitigation: avoidance, minimization, and compensation. He said often projects go right to compensation, which doesn’t work. The best route is avoidance, and he said there are some really good examples working with WRIAs. ▪ Louise Miller asked which effort would be more successful for ratcheting up to get money: pooling resources to hire a lobbyist, or getting more local people involved to do the lobbying. Dennis Canty replied that both would be helpful. There is a small number in Washington D.C. doing it every year, including Ron Sims, Larry Phillips, Governor Gregoire, and Bill Ruckelshaus. It has been remarkably successful given that little effort. He said you could also do letter-writing campaigns and engaging congressional staff more often back in D.C. A Salmon Fund of less than $20 million would be unhealthy for recovery efforts. ▪ Linda Smith reported that the Army Corps of Engineers General Investigation (GI) effort money was cut, and she said we get asked which “one” project do you want to do. The message is, “Do big WRIA 8 Forum/Steering Committee Meeting Summary 10/19/06 Page 3 projects”. Dennis Canty noted that the fund amount in 2006 was $67 million, down from $90 million in 2005. ▪ Ted Frantz inquired if we are competing with other WRIAs for funding, or if there is a way to combine WRIA efforts. Dennis Canty explained that it would be far more lucrative if WRIAs 8 and 9 combined efforts. ▪ Don Davidson noted that we have restructured, and can now focus on lobbying and grant writing. He said the Puget Sound Recovery Council is doing a pretty good job lobbying with the state. ▪ Linda Smith reported that the Puget Sound Adjacent Water Program was added by congress for site- specific projects. It is always Puget Sound they want to fund, and all river basins in Puget Sound qualify. She said ask me if you have questions. ▪ Janet Way commented that it seems like a lot of mitigation money will be hiding in highway projects, such as Highway 20, and the viaduct. She asked if that is something we should be thinking about. Dennis Canty agreed, and in 2004 we weren’t even thinking about that. ▪ Larry Phillips reported that Louise Miller and others have been very responsive about funding lobbying. He said it would be great to have them contacting the congressional delegation using their connections to sustain the efforts. If this falls to the $20 million level, we will be competing hard across WRIAs. He also asked if there was any progress on EPA funding. Dennis Canty responded that there is big growth on EPA. Norm Dicks has picked up that committee, and he has been a great friend of ours. The money we receive for Puget Sound funding is a very large share of endangered species funding. Councilmember Phillips commented that we’ve come a long way putting the plan together, and we should keep pushing on funding. He said he would hate to see us get to this point and sink on funding. ▪ Frank Urabeck said we need to find out what the successes are, so we can say we are starting to see some trends. This year we are starting to see lots of Chinook coming back on Cedar, and we are now also surveying outmigrants. Dennis Canty said another message that has to be part of it is how much is being spent locally, which is being met with disbelief. ▪ Cleve Steward asked how we should act on the advice we are getting. He also asked how well we are represented on the three-year action plan that is happening at a higher level. Dennis Canty said you are involved at least two ways, as a member of the recovery council, and as one of the watersheds being querried for Puget Sound funding. He said my recommendation on the first question is to think about cooperating on grant writing and grant seeking, which may be a part of the WRIA 8 ILA. 2007 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) Mary Jorgensen reported that the work program was recommended by the Steering Committee in early April and approved by the Forum in May along with the staffing plan. These now are included in the 2007 MOU. The MOU is in the same format as last year’s, but “Section VI Forum Decisions on Future Collaboration and Staffing after 2006” was deleted. Laure Iddings asked if we are now the WRIA 8 Salmon Recovery Council. Mary Jorgensen replied that the Forum and Steering Committee will become that in 2007. Mayor Iddings requested that staff create a spreadsheet of who all the WRIA groups are. Don Davidson said we could work on that. The Forum unanimously approved executing the MOU at the time the ILA is initiated. Approval of Forum and Steering Committee Meeting Notes The Forum unanimously approved the July 20, 2006 Forum notes. The Steering Committee unanimously approved the September 14, 2006 Steering Committee notes. WRIA 8 Forum/Steering Committee Meeting Summary 10/19/06 Page 4 WRIA 8 Project List for Puget Sound Salmon Recovery Council Mary Jorgensen reported that the governor and the Puget Sound Partnership requested via Shared Strategy that the WRIAs put together a list of salmon recovery projects from the 10-year plan that they could have in hand for new funding. We were asked to come up with projects for $5 million and $10 million lists, and possibly for a $15 million list. The Puget Sound Salmon Recovery Council may request a larger amount for the 14 watersheds, possibly $5 to $10 million per WRIA, which is an incredible turn upward in our funding outlook. Mary said many people worked on short notice to do this list, including project proponents and the WRIA 8 Project Sub-Committee. We will have an opportunity to revise the list next year if we receive the funding Steve Kropp said the fun part is where you decide which projects you want to include on the final list. He presented the projects at the $5, $10 and $15 million levels, which include ones on the 3-year list that we want to do first, and that have a reasonable chance of being completed in the next three or four years. He clarified that the projects were identified at the three funding levels, but not ranked. Examples of projects from the $5 million group are: • Lower Bear Creek Restoration, $2 million; • Sammamish River Transition Zone, $1.2 million; • Belmondo Reach Acquistion, $.8 million; • Taylor Creek Acquistion, $.5 million; and • Little Bear Headwaters Forest Cover Protection, $.5 million. Discussion: ▪ Jean White, City of Seattle, commented that her notes from the meeting to identify these projects show the Lake Washington Demonstration project as belonging in the $10 million package, instead of the $15 million. She said it is on private property on the South part of Lake Washington. ▪ Linda Smith agreed that the Sammamish transition zone is a high priority, but she noted that changing the channel is going to be more complicated than just buying the property. She said she wasn’t sure it could be done in four years. Jennifer Knauer, King County, said the transition zone project is proposed for current county-owned land only, and the project has consultation with design groups. Mary Jorgensen commented that the two people who proposed the project from King County said this one has permitting and is ready to go. ▪ Janet Way asked if there is a map that shows where all of these projects are located. Mary Jorgensen said WDFW is looking at doing a database, and we will tie into it in September to save this WRIA some money. Linda Smith said the Corps has a base map for the GI that includes most of these projects. Mary added that we will be preparing a map of these projects for the state on Monday. ▪ Linda Smith asked if the funding for the Mapes Creek Project is to complete it. Jean White responded in the affirmative. ▪ Larry Phillips inquired if the $1.99 million request for the top-rated Lower Bear project finishes it out. Jon Spangler, City of Redmond, explained that $2 million is from Redmond, $4 million is potentially from Department of Transportation (DOT), and the $1.99 million is the rest of the money for the project. He said we have also been talking about $5 million with DOT, and they haven’t said “no”. Linda Smith inquired if we don’t get the DOT funding will Redmond have to sit on these funds? Jon said we’ll do the best we can, but we won’t be able to restore 3,000 feet of Lower Bear. Steve Kropp clarified that you are not locked into spending this money on these projects but that these high-priority projects are the most likely to be completed within three years. ▪ Ray Power asked what the Lake Washington demonstration project entails. Jean White explained that Seattle has a small grant to help identify the barriers and motivators for property owners to do more salmon-friendly shoreline management. The project is to partner with 1-2 private property owners to demonstration projects on the southwestern shore of Lake Washington. WRIA 8 Forum/Steering Committee Meeting Summary 10/19/06 Page 5 ▪ Bill Knutsen, KCD Board, noted that money is already secured for Guano Acres, but it still ranks in the bottom. Kirk Lakey explained that we came up with these lists, but the projects are not in a ranked order. The lists are the way we get to a total funding amount in the three groups of $5, $10, and $15 million. ▪ Dave Garland reported that there are not just salmon recovery benefits to these projects. The first two have water quality benefits as well, because more vegetation helps temperature. This is an additional rationale that could be used. The WRIA 8 Project List for the Puget Sound Salmon Recovery Council was approved unanimously. January 2007 Start-up of WRIA 8 Salmon Recovery Council 2007 Meeting Schedule: Mary Jorgensen presented a draft meeting schedule with anticipated topics, with the meeting day and time information left blank. Four and possibly five meetings will be scheduled, lasting three hours per meeting. She asked if there is a desire for any other meeting day but Thursday. Roger Olstad responded that the first and third Thursdays work better for him than the second and fourth Thursdays. The Forum/Steering Committee unanimously approved holding the meetings on the third Thursday, from 2:30 to 5:30 p.m. Bylaws, Membership, Chairs/Positions, Voting: Mary Jorgensen reported that the Staff Committee will be looking at the 2001operating guidelines to develop new bylaws for the Salmon Recovery Council. She said there will be no change in Steering Committee membership in the new council, but we will try to encourage other groups, including inviting the Muckleshoot and Suquamish Tribes, to participate. She requested that members let us know if there other any other groups that you would like us to explore inviting. Discussion: ▪ Janet Way asked if WRIA 8 staff are actively encouraging participation from jurisdictions and groups without a designated member on the Forum and Steering Committee vacancy list. Mary Jorgensen responded that we are talking to jurisdictions and KCD about the vacancies, and hope to also talk to the other groups. ▪ Roger Olstad suggested that we ought to be soliciting jurisdictions in WRIA 8 that aren’t members of the Forum. Jean White noted that there are 31 total jurisdictions in King County. Don Davidson said we will have to see which jurisdictions are going to sign the ILA, and then reach out to others. ▪ Mike Todd commented that we want people who are friendly to our actions, and should not take on individuals who do not have interests of this group. Mary Jorgensen responded that we are looking at groups with geographic interests, funding groups, and community groups. ▪ Cleve Steward said he would like to see broader participation, and not just from jurisdictional groups, but also groups not necessarily with the same views, such as the Master Builders Association, Port of Seattle, horse owners group, and federal agencies like NOAA. He said he liked the idea of having citizens involved. If we are open to public viewing and input, we can come up with a more effective way to have their views included. Jean White said it will be important to engage more citizens, like at the Implementation Committee level. ▪ Louise Miller reported that she wants to resign, and said the group needs to look for another citizen representative. Don Davidson replied that we will do that grudgingly and commended her work on the Steering Committee. ▪ Cleve Steward remarked that he would like to see the non-profit community, the “givers”, participating. He said they often talk among themselves, so if we can get one as a member they could take us to the bigger group. WRIA 8 Forum/Steering Committee Meeting Summary 10/19/06 Page 6 ▪ Kirk Lakey noted that the co-managers have worked with the Muckleshoot Tribe quite a bit through this process, and they are warming up to the idea of participating. Jean White noted that Seattle has a good relationship with the Muckleshoots since signing the Cedar River agreement. She said she could ask Richard Conlin if he would help invite them to participate in WRIA 8. Don Davidson suggested that maybe we should put them on the agenda instead of inviting them to the table. ▪ Mary Jorgensen reported that we need to elect a chair or co-chairs of the WRIA 8 Salmon Recovery Council, a regional representative to the Puget Sound Salmon Recovery Council, and members of the Management Committee of jurisdictions. She noted that we will be moving from the four chair positions of the Forum and Steering Committee (chair, co-chairs, vice chair) to three positions. Members will be contacted to see who are interested in those positions, and an election will occur in January. Mary explained that we will bring a chart to the next meeting that will outline the variable quorum and who votes at what time. Implementation Committee: Mary Jorgensen reported that the first meeting of the Implementation Committee will occur in December. The Implementation Committee is a broader group than the Staff Committee, and it will meet in the second week of the month. She requested that jurisdictions and agencies check in to see who should participate on the committee from their groups. Membership might vary depending on what the topics are. Don Davidson suggested that somehow early on we include funding groups on the Implementation Committee. Success Story Geoff Clayton reported that Cottage Lake Creek, which has clear water and good substrate. had an excellent return of sockeye this year, and up to four-foot long Chinook. This is a huge improvement over returns in the late 1980s. He credited much of the success to “preserving the best”, and the efforts of Terry Lavender and the Water Tenders. 600 people came through on Saturday. Geoff noted that this year has also turned out very well in Bear Creek. He said he hopes we will have another success next year with water quality improvements, pharmaceuticals entering the streams are a concern. He added that King County is introducing a program in 2007 that will allow people to return pharmaceuticals to their local pharmacies, instead of flushing them down the toilet. Kirk Lakey provided an update on fish numbers in WRIA 8. Region 4 fish program managers counted approximately 400 redds in the Cedar, which means there are 1,200 chinook in the river. Big chinook are coming back to Bear Creek, North Creek, and Kelsey Creek as far up as 148th and NE 8th. 8,200 chinook were processed at the Issaquah Hatchery, and quite a few fish also returned to the Soos Creek Hatchery. Kirk said we are encouraged by the numbers of sockeye and chinook that have come through the Locks, with the numbers ranging from 20% wild to 80% wild. He noted that fish that pass later through the Locks have a lower chance of reaching the spawning grounds. Tribal biologists have tagged around 8,000 fish at the locks, and now fishermen are retrieving those tags from the carcasses after they’ve spawned. He said we hope to determine migratory patterns with the tagging we’re doing. The cause of the missing sockeye in the watershed is still unknown. If our counts are flawed, we need to figure out how to correct them so we have better estimates. Kirk added that he forwarded comments to Mary Jorgensen that respond to a letter from Terry Lavender questioning the sockeye fishery on Lake Washington. Terry had asked for an explanation for the die-off of sockeye, and why fishing was allowed on the lake this year. Kirk said Mary Jorgenson will be sending the comment letter out to everybody. WRIA 8 Forum/Steering Committee Meeting Summary 10/19/06 Page 7 Kit Paulsen explained that it has been a banner year in Kelsey Creek, which is chock-a-block with big fish. She said a lot of people are really excited, and Bellevue will be doing a Salmon Watcher TV program. Public Comment There was no public comment. Adjourn The meeting was adjourned at 5:35 p.m. The first meeting of the WRIA 8 Salmon Recovery Council is tentatively scheduled for the third week of January, 2:30-5:30 p.m.