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               08-11-2004                                                                                         #1

             SouthCoastNationalist                        Webster Outs Griffin as HOMOSEXUAL!!!
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                                                     From 1990
                                                     Nick Griffin, the new leader of the British National Party,
                                                     has been accused of having a secret homosexual past by
                                                     Martin Webster, the former national activities organiser
             Join Date: Dec 2003
                                                     of the National Front. Webster claims the two men had a
             Location: Brighton. England
             Posts: 3,568                            four-year affair in the late seventies. The allegation,
                                                     strenuously denied by Griffin, is set to cause huge
                                                     embarrassment to a party that entered the 1997 general
                                                     election with a pledge to outlaw homosexuality and sees
                                                     Aids as “Nature taking revenge” against gay men.


                                                     Webster made his allegations in his own newsletter,
                                                     Loose Cannon, Salvo 1, in an article titled “Come on an
                                                     Outing down memory lane”. He claims to have been
                                                     spurred into action because of Griffin’s hypocrisy. “The
                                                     reader should not condemn Griffin for his bi-sexual
                                                     nature or conduct,” writes Webster, “but for his lying
                                                     hypocrisy which, like a malignant incubus, demands
                                                     ever-increasing sustenance”.

                                                     Griffin’s affair with Webster began in 1976 and continued
                                                     throughout the period he was studying at Cambridge
                                                     University. It lasted four years, during which time Griffin,
                                                     often at his own insistence, stayed with Webster four or
                                                     five times a year.

                                                     One former NF organiser said: “He [Griffin] was very




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                                                    ambitious and also quite jealous of Joe Pearce, who was
                                                    starting Bulldog off and trying to become leader of the
                                                    Young National Front. Nick was desperate to move to
                                                    London and started writing to Webster offering his
                                                    services as it were. Nick eventually got a letter from
                                                    Webster inviting him down to London, he showed it to
                                                    me in the pub one evening. I said to Nick ‘You’re not
                                                    going to accept it are you?’ He asked why he should not,
                                                    so I told him that Webster was always trying to sleep
                                                    with the young men who wanted to go down to London
                                                    and meet him. He said that he did not care, he was so
                                                    desperate to get involved in the running of the YNF
                                                    ahead of Pearce.

                                                    “This was in 1976 I think,” he added. “After he went
                                                    down there, he continued going back at every
                                                    opportunity possible until he eventually secured a job or
                                                    something down there. He certainly never had an issue
                                                    with Webster being gay particularly as he always wanted
                                                    to stay with him.”

                                                    Webster makes reference to an incident where Griffin
                                                    “earned wolf-whistles from 40+ guests at one of my
                                                    parties by giving me a very affectionate birthday
                                                    greeting”.

                                                    This party was held at Webster’s London flat in May
                                                    1980. According to one person present that evening the
                                                    party was well under way when Griffin appeared, dressed
                                                    in a pin-stripe suit. “He came in and, meeting Webster in
                                                    the hallway, threw his arms around him and kissed him
                                                    openly on the mouth. It was all quite blatant and not the
                                                    sort of greeting you’d expect from a heterosexual man.”

                                                    Glad-handing

                                                    Griffin was well aware that he could be “outed”. After a
                                                    chance meeting at the business premises of the nazi
                                                    printer Anthony Hancock, when Webster ignored Griffin’s
                                                    outstretched hand, the two men exchanged letters either
                                                    side of the New Year. In his reply to Griffin, Webster
                                                    wrote:

                                                    “My reaction to the familiar tone of your letter is much
                                                    the same as my response to your attempt to ‘glad hand’
                                                    me at Uckfield: a mixture of amazement and anger. In
                                                    both instances you attempted to treat with me as if there
                                                    were no events in our shared past, and no outstanding
                                                    issues arising therefrom, which must, sooner or later, be
                                                    brought to a resolution.”

                                                    Referring to a telephone conversation seven years
                                                    earlier, when Griffin allegedly made derogatory remarks
                                                    about Webster’s sexuality, Webster wrote: “Have you
                                                    ever spared so much as a second to reflect how those
                                                    events affected me then, and my life subsequently? I
                                                    have not forgotten your several efforts to inflict injury on
                                                    me and mine years after there was the slightest political



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                                                    pretext for such malignancy other than your desire to
                                                    distance yourself ostentatiously from me in the hope of
                                                    obliterating the four years of our intimate friendship and,
                                                    thereby, insulating yourself from the retrospective
                                                    curiosity of homophobic cranks.”

                                                    Webster concluded: “In the light of my personal
                                                    experience of you and the political consequences of your
                                                    actions, can you wonder why your outstretched hand was
                                                    not grasped with fervour and your letter not responded
                                                    to with alacrity? Unresolved issues from the past
                                                    involving injustice, betrayal and cruelty are like ghosts:
                                                    they will not cease their haunting until they are decently
                                                    laid to rest.”

                                                    The correspondence between the two men only adds
                                                    weight to Webster’s allegation. If Griffin has despised
                                                    Webster because of his homosexuality for so long, as he
                                                    has claimed, why then did he become embroiled in
                                                    swapping letters and “glad-handing” him?

                                                    As the BNP leadership battle got under way rumours of
                                                    an impending exposé were rife among party members.
                                                    Griffin decided to go on the offensive and head off any
                                                    attempt by Webster to reveal his homosexual past. In a
                                                    highly controlled interview in Tony Lecomber’s The
                                                    Patriot, Griffin sought to smear the former NF organiser:
                                                    “[Webster], in addition to having a vicious temper and
                                                    chronic inability to delegate, had been widely known for
                                                    years to be a predatory homosexual”.

                                                    It was this comment, coupled with Griffin’s outrageous
                                                    remarks in an article in Spearhead after the Soho bomb,
                                                    in which he seemed to excuse the bombing, that pushed
                                                    Webster into action.

                                                    In an ominous turn of phrase, Webster concluded his
                                                    document by saying that Griffin “should have had the
                                                    common sense to let sleeping dogs lie.

                                                    “But they misconstrued my silence as a sign that I was
                                                    tongue-tied with embarrassment and that they could get
                                                    away with saying what they liked - a big mistake. In
                                                    Griffin’s case, homophobic clap-trap descended into a
                                                    vicious mania.”

                                                    Griffin immediately denied the allegation when the story
                                                    broke in The Sunday Times on 5 September. “It’s a pack
                                                    of lies from a spiteful old man,” he told the paper. “I’ve
                                                    got four children and I’ve been married 14 years.”

                                                    While Griffin hid from subsequent press enquiries, his
                                                    newly installed chief poodle, Lecomber, was actively
                                                    taking up his defence. In an almost hysterical tone,
                                                    Lecomber circulated a rebuttal to BNP organisers around
                                                    the country. Entitled “Warning: Anti-BNP Fairy Tales”, it
                                                    described Webster as an “unsavoury figure”, before going
                                                    on to claim his allegations were the work of an



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                                                    “embittered” old man seeking revenge for Griffin’s role in
                                                    ousting him from the NF in 1983.

                                                    Lecomber’s vociferous outburst may well be aimed at
                                                    hiding his own knowledge of Griffin’s affair with Webster.
                                                    In his outing of Griffin, Webster recounted a lunch with
                                                    Lecomber on 28 January this year, and subsequent
                                                    correspondence, where he told him of the affair.
                                                    According to Webster’s account of the meeting,
                                                    “Lecomber coughed dryly into his Kronenburg”.
                                                    A sexual predator

                                                    Webster does not confine his evidence of Griffin’s
                                                    homosexuality to his personal experience. In his
                                                    document he refers to two other incidents in the
                                                    mid-eighties in which Griffin attempted to have a sexual
                                                    liaison with other men. The first was when a south
                                                    London NF organiser stumbled across Griffin and a
                                                    woman naked, only to be invited to “get your kit off and
                                                    join us”.

                                                    The second incident related to a former policeman who,
                                                    on spending the night at Griffin’s parents house in
                                                    Suffolk, woke to find Griffin attempting to climb into his
                                                    bed in “an evident state of arousal”.


                                                    The second incident relates to a former NF activist from
                                                    south London who, on stumbling across Griffin and two
                                                    friends, was invited by Griffin to join them.
                                                    “If it’s true, he can’t be leader”

                                                    Reaction within the BNP to the allegations has been
                                                    mixed. Tyndall’s supporters tend to agree with the basic
                                                    tenet of Webster’s document, while supporters of Griffin
                                                    dismiss it as lies. However of the latter group not all are
                                                    completely at ease. Many are privately ruffled by the
                                                    claims, though, with their political future tied up in
                                                    Griffin’s leadership bid, seem willing to fight his case.

                                                    Griffin’s support may not remain totally solid. Among
                                                    those who are prepared to give him the benefit of the
                                                    doubt, there is a belief that if the allegation is true his
                                                    future will not be secure. Walter Carr, the BNP’s
                                                    Worcester organiser, summed up this feeling when he
                                                    said “a homosexual cannot be leader of this party”. Bruce
                                                    Cowd agreed, though refused to accept the allegation.
                                                    If not, why not?

                                                    If Griffin’s denial is to be believed then it seems strange
                                                    that he has not reached for his lawyers. To date, neither
                                                    Webster nor The Sunday Times have received anything
                                                    even resembling a complaint, let alone a writ. It begs the
                                                    question, if not, why not? Considering the damage that
                                                    persistent rumours and innuendoes about his sexuality
                                                    could inflict on his political career, Griffin’s silence speaks
                                                    volumes, looking conspicuously like guilt.
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                                                    With the dried blood stiff on my temples I climbed
                                                    the hill, cursing the satanic way of men, yet
                                                    knowing myself vile, for they had not known what
                                                    they were doing, but I betrayed an innocent; and
                                                    the tears - weak, whiskey tears - would not wash
                                                    from my brow the blood of a little brother.
                                                    Henry Williamson
                                                    www.bppuk.org
                                                    http://southeastbpp.blogspot.com/




               08-11-2004                                                                                    #2

             god of war
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                                           Great reliable source of information you got there.....martin
             Posts: n/a                    webster!!!

                                           webster has also stated he and JT were lovers when JT and him
                                           LIVED TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!



               08-11-2004                                                                                    #3

             heaven above...
             Hates White People
                                           Webster has never said that you lying arsehole !
                                           __________________
                                           The National Alliance perhaps one of the most HARDLINE
                                           pro-White organisations in America & one with which we also
             Join Date: Jan 2004           have VERY SIGNIFICANT IDEOLOGICAL & tactical differences.
             Location: United Kingdom      Nick Griffin
             Posts: 3,130




               08-11-2004                                                                                    #4

             SouthCoastNationalist
             Moderator
                                                       Quote:

                                                        Originally Posted by god of war
                                                        Great reliable source of information you got
                                                        there.....martin webster!!!

                                                        webster has also stated he and JT were lovers
                                                        when JT and him LIVED TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!
             Join Date: Dec 2003
             Location: Brighton. England
             Posts: 3,568

                                                    This is total BULLSHIT!

                                                    The reason JT left the NF was because the membership
                                                    voted against him expelling Webster for being a
                                                    homosexual. By then Webster would have been climbing




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                                                    up Griffins dirtbox. Face facts, Griffin is a closet POOF!
                                                    __________________
                                                    With the dried blood stiff on my temples I climbed
                                                    the hill, cursing the satanic way of men, yet
                                                    knowing myself vile, for they had not known what
                                                    they were doing, but I betrayed an innocent; and
                                                    the tears - weak, whiskey tears - would not wash
                                                    from my brow the blood of a little brother.
                                                    Henry Williamson
                                                    www.bppuk.org
                                                    http://southeastbpp.blogspot.com/



               08-11-2004                                                                                        #5

             Axetogrind
             Junior Member
                                              Quote:
             Join Date: May 2004               Originally Posted by BrightonWNP
             Posts: 33                         This is total BULLSHIT!

                                               The reason JT left the NF was because the membership
                                               voted against him expelling Webster for being a
                                               homosexual. By then Webster would have been climbing
                                               up Griffins dirtbox. Face facts, Griffin is a closet POOF!




                                          From the facts it looks like that closet door is pretty wide open to
                                          me.

                                          No one in their right mind would trust Griffin in the first place. I
                                          lived in the UK for a while and everyone I talked to thought he
                                          was a pompous ass. If this is the best the BNP can do I'd vote
                                          UKIP!



               08-11-2004                                                                                        #6

             heaven above...
             Hates White People
                                          When JT left the NF there was a homo clique controlling the party.
                                          It comprised of;

                                          Patrick Harrington
             Join Date: Jan 2004
             Location: United Kingdom     Ian Anderson
             Posts: 3,130
                                          Martin Webster

                                          Nick Griffin

                                          And Joe Pierce couldn't keep his trousers on chasing other
                                          members wives.
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                                           The National Alliance perhaps one of the most HARDLINE
                                           pro-White organisations in America & one with which we also
                                           have VERY SIGNIFICANT IDEOLOGICAL & tactical differences.
                                           Nick Griffin



               08-12-2004                                                                                  #7

             SouthCoastNationalist
             Moderator
                                                       Quote:

                                                        Originally Posted by heaven above
                                                        When JT left the NF there was a homo clique
                                                        controlling the party. It comprised of;

                                                        Patrick Harrington

             Join Date: Dec 2003                        Ian Anderson
             Location: Brighton. England
             Posts: 3,568
                                                        Martin Webster

                                                        Nick Griffin

                                                        And Joe Pierce couldn't keep his trousers on
                                                        chasing other members wives.




                                                    Was Anderson a poof? I have to admit I didn't know that.
                                                    I'm sure he was the top man when I joined in the 80's!
                                                    Still looking back, nothing suprises me about a croud who
                                                    blew the best chance WN had in my generation.

                                                    __________________
                                                    With the dried blood stiff on my temples I climbed
                                                    the hill, cursing the satanic way of men, yet
                                                    knowing myself vile, for they had not known what
                                                    they were doing, but I betrayed an innocent; and
                                                    the tears - weak, whiskey tears - would not wash
                                                    from my brow the blood of a little brother.
                                                    Henry Williamson
                                                    www.bppuk.org
                                                    http://southeastbpp.blogspot.com/




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