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                                       THURSDAY: 29 MAY 2008                           Sitting No. 10


            [No. 10 - 2008] Fourth Session, Third Legislature


                                    REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA

                                    LEGISLATURE OF THE
                                   NORTH WEST PROVINCE
                                        THURSDAY: 29 MAY 2008
                                                      09H00

        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                                      to the Rules Committee
        Honourable Members we can                               because of the serious deviation
        now observe a moment of                                 of the Rules. It is not recorded
        silent/prayer and meditation.                           as such if that is the under-
        You may get seated. We are                              standing I will suffice. I believe
        proceeding. Next item.                                  it should be stated there that the
                                                                ruling of the Deputy Speaker be
        SECRETARY: ITEM NO.2                                    recorded and be referred to the
        MINUTES OF THE 27TH MAY                                 Rules Committee for considera-
        2008                                                    tion. Thank you.

        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                                      HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        Honourable Members I place                              Honourable Hattingh that
        before you a set of minutes for                         change will be made, that was a
        adoption of the 27th of May                             ruling indeed and the matter will
        2008. Are there any corrections                         certainly be deferred to the
        from the minutes? Honourable                            Rules Committee. Any other
        Hattingh.                                               corrections from the minutes.
                                                                Honourable Africa?
        HON. HATTINGH:
        Honourable Deputy Speaker I                             HON. MEC AFRICA:
        refer to page 30 under ii) notices                      Thank you Deputy Speaker, on
        of motions. I requested and it is                       one of the motions it is indicated
        not recorded that the ruling of                         that at the time of Comrade
        the Deputy Speaker on the pro-                          Tlhomelang's death
        cedure followed in the motion                           …[Interruption by Deputy
        should be recorded and referred                         Speaker]

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        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                         budget.
        Honourable Africa which motion
        are you referring to?                      HON. MAHLANGU:
                                                   Thank you Honourable Deputy
        HON. MEC AFRICA:                           Speaker, I put before your
        The one on comrade                         House the report of the Portfolio
        Tlhomelang Maape; on page                  Committee on Education for
        30. Just to correct that it is indi-       consideration by your House. I
        cated here that at the time of his         thank you.
        death he worked as a private
        teacher at Bopaganang                      HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        Secondary School. It is not cor-           I now invite Honourable
        rect; at that time he was working          Mampane to table a report of
        for ex-combatants association;             the portfolio committee on
        so just to correct that he worked          Health, Social Development and
        there previously but not at the            scrutiny of budget 2008/09
        time of his death, I think that is         strategic plan of the Department
        the factual statement that we              of Health.
        need to make.
                                                   HON. MAMPANE:
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                         Ke a leboga Motlatsa
        Does the House adopt the min-              Mmusakgotla ntetla go sekega
        utes with those amendments?                repoto e mo Ntlong ya gago e e
        We proceed. Next item.                     tlotlegang. Ke a leboga. #[
                                                   Thank you Deputy Speaker.
        SECRETARY: ITEM NO.3.                      Allow me to table this report in
        TABLING OF REPORTS AND                     your Honourable House. I thank
        PAPERS                                     you.]#

        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                         HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        Honourable Members I now                   I would now want to draw the
        invite Honourable Mahlangu to              attention of Honourable
        table a report of the Portfolio            Members that the debates of
        Committee on Education, Sport,             these reports will take place
        Arts & Culture and the scrutiny            concurrently with respective
        of 2008/09 Strategic Plan for the          budgets votes. Next item.
        Department of Education

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        SECRETARY: ITEM NO.4                      wa marematlou kapa mophato
        PROCEEDINGS ON BILLS:                     wa makgaolakgang. Ke rata
        SECOND READING                            gape go amogela bana ba rona
        NORTH WEST APPROPRIA-                     ba ba leng teng kwa godimo
        TION BILL, 2008                           kwa ba ba tlileng go lebelela dit-
                                                  samaiso tsa letsatsi la ditiro
        i) Department of Education,               jaaka go rebotse Lefapha la
             Budget Vote 8                        Thuto kwa pusong e e kwa bog-
        ii) Department of Sport, Arts &           areng. Bongwanaka re leboga
             Culture, Budget Vote 4               bogone jwa lona. Lo se ka lwa
        iii) Department of Social                 re ke lo amogele ke bua sek-
             Development, Budget Vote12           gowa. Makgowa lo a bona. Nna
        iv) Department of Health,                 ga ke lona.
             Budget Vote 11
                                                  All protocol observed Deputy
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        Speaker, as Africans we forget
        Honourable Members, let me                our history at our own peril. It is
        urge Members to stick to time             important that we take the learn-
        allocated. I will start by inviting       ing of our history, and the safe-
        MEC Tselapedi for budget vote             guarding of our culture and
        8, Department of Education.               value seriously. Africans at
        Honourable Tselapedi has got a            home and in the diaspora of
        very good record in this House            every social background, educa-
        and I suppose he is going to              tion, gender and belief must rise
        sustain it.                               to the core of the cultural renew-
                                                  al and socio-economic regener-
        HON. MEC TSELAPEDI:                       ation. We cannot escape the
        Mmusakgotla ke rata go leboga,            political and socio-economic
        go tsaya tšhono e go amogela              environment in which we exist in
        gore re na le bana ba ba ntseng           the face of the difficulty and cri-
        ba opela fa re tsena mo Ntlong            sis. Africans everywhere need
        ya gago mo mosong wa gom-                 to reinvent themselves building
        pieno. Re leboga thata ka                 on lessons learnt, creating new
        dituduetso le dikopelo tseo tsa           visions and mobilizing and
        bona, re lebogela bogone jwa              developing their own resources
        bona mo gare ga rona. Re                  as the Magazine of African,
        tshepa gore ga se ba mophato              October 2007 says: "Free at

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        last. Thank God Almighty. We              gies, our educational models
        are free at last".                        and practices, our compilation of
                                                  statistics and even the way we
        This cry of Dr Martin Luther King         allocate resources to our
        in the 60s still echoes deeply in         schools in the whole world para-
        our hearts that how free are we           digm shift. We must do every-
        now 200 years after the abolish-          thing in our power to sustain the
        ing of slavery? In reality, how           Age of Hope. Given that most
        free are Africans on their                of the main categories of the
        descendants all over the world            Apex Priorities announced by
        to ask this magazine? It                  the President Thabo Mbeki in
        appears, unfortunately, even              his 2008 State of the Nation
        that some people are kept to the          Address, relate to the delivery or
        past, but in development includ-          so in the Department of
        ing education about change. In            Education.
        Africa's case what we have                The critical role the department
        been getting is poverty and               plays in sustaining the age of
        dependence in all spheres of life         hope is undeniable. It is our
        including education. We are at            intention to deliver all these pri-
        a time when we import models              orities particularly on the one
        and readymade solutions with-             target of the enhancement of
        out much consideration to our             education and training.
        own situations. In pursuit of             Responding further to the priori-
        solutions to our problems, be it          ties outlined by the Honourable
        technological, educational or             Minister of Finance Trevor
        otherwise, it behooves us to rec-         Manuel, this budget, amongst
        ognize that these solutions have          others, prioritizes teacher remu-
        been developed by the rich and            neration, textbook provision,
        western countries for the real-           school building and early child-
        ization of their own interest.            hood development. It is against
                                                  the background of these and
        The search solutions to our               other mandates that I present to
        problems should therefore be              you this 2008/09 budget.
        one for alternatives that would
        mobilize and develop resources            Starting with programme 1 -
        and capacities. Alternatives              R512.537 million and 8.8%
        such as our management strate-            increase to strengthen the

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        administration of the depart-             "Education Month". Our moni-
        ment. Last year a several public          toring of the opening of schools
        service employees were trained            was very effective and I wish to
        in various functional areas of the        thank all of you for enthusiasti-
        department. Additionally all sen-         cally participating.
        ior managers participated in the
        programme training of public              I would also like to thank mem-
        service personnel in various              bers and communities who
        sectors of the department will            heeded our call for the voluntary
        also continue this year. Thanks           cleaning of schools during the
        for the public service employees          Letsema campaign. May I also
        we also set aside over R3 mil-            appeal to our communities to
        lion for pay progression R20.1            heed our call to register learners
        million for improvement of condi-         in time to avoid long queues on
        tions of service, R5.6 million,           the first day of school. In terms
        PMDS R2.2 million for the grad-           of legal services, this service or
        ing of few codes in terms of job          directorate in the 2007/08 budg-
        evaluation.                               et in terms of salary, administra-
                                                  tion, litigation and other goods
        The departmental communica-               and services, with an allocation
        tion that fall Inaugural MEC              of R8.229 million in 2008/09,
        Service Excellence Awards was             this directorate will continue to
        held during 2007. Aligned to the          provide the department with the
        Premier's Public Service                  required legal advance. In
        Excellence Awards, the primary            terms of internal security with an
        objectives of these non-mone-             allocation of R6.601 million in
        tary excellence awards were to            2007/08 financial year, the staff
        recognize centres of service              component was increased from
        excellence, acknowledged the              3 to 11 at head office and 2 in
        excellent work of officials and           each region.
        further entrench the Batho Pele
        principles in the service delivery        The new staff members were
        of the North West Education               suitable equipped to provide
        department. Allow me to indi-             information on threats to the
        cate to the House that we have            integrity of the department. In
        rekindled activities marking              2008/09 financial year, docu-
        January of every year as the              ment security through digitaliza-

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        tion will receive priority. In            education…intensifying our
        terms of internal audit during            effort progressively, to introduce
        2007/08 financial year, over R4           free and compulsory education
        million was allocated to this par-        for the poor until at the under-
        ticular unit. The assurance               graduate level. As part of this,
        services on the adequacy and              we must work to implement the
        effectiveness of internal control         resolution that 60% of all
        and reviews were conducted in             schools that is no-fee status by
        the following programmes.                 2009".
        - Adult Basic Education and
        Training,                                 Late this year, this province
        - Security Management and                 already had declare 928 schools
        Infrastructure, just to mention a         in quintal 1 and 2 as no-fee
        few.                                      schools which represents
                                                  already 40%. This year, in quin-
        Recommendations were then                 tiles 1 and 2 increased this num-
        communicated to the relevant              ber to 957 to bring it to 1732,
        supervisors and the implemen-             which has brings us to 55%.
        tation thereof is currently been          During the year, we will prepare
        monitored. For 2008/09 finan-             in addition of quintile 3 schools,
        cial year, R5.208 million is allo-        which will bring us to the target
        cated for this particular unit to         of 60% in 2009. Just for the
        execute to the audit plan and             record, according to our formula,
        anti-corruption following the lead        if a learner at quintile 1 schools
        in terms of the Department of             receives R775, at quintile 2
        Finance in the Premier's Office.          R711 per year, a total of R269
                                                  million will be transferred to
        Programme 2 Public Ordinary               schools during this financial
        Schools Education, R5 845.226             year.
        a 37% increase school funding.
        In the statement of the National          In terms of (LTSM) Learner and
        Executive Committee of the rul-           Teacher Support Materials
        ing party with President Jacob            2007/08 allocation of this sup-
        Zuma expressed the intention              port was around R275 million.
        that "we need to pay particular           This money mostly spent on
        attention to improving access of          textbooks in grade 12 where the
        poor South Africans to quality            National Curriculum Statement

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        was implemented the first time.           of the educator remuneration, in
        The rest of the money went to             the statement of the National
        the learner stationary, Life              Executive of the ruling party
        Sciences kits and consumable              again, the President of the ruling
        for hospitality studies on techni-        party said … "We are committed
        cal subjects. It is noteworthy            to restore, uphold and promote
        that, by October 2007 the                 the status of teachers by remu-
        department was able to deliver            nerating them as profession-
        100% of ordered stationary for            als…"
        all grades for 2008 academic
        year.                                     Deputy Speaker, in this very crit-
                                                  ical regard, we budgeted
        In our previous budget speech,            R167.37 million for the imple-
        regarding LTSM, I indicated that          mentation of the Occupation
        the department would, for the             Specific Dispensation (OSD)
        first time, in line with the norms        R53.2 million towards school-
        and standards for school fund-            based educators in terms of
        ing implement poverty based               Integrated Quality Management
        funding. 30% of 2007 LTSM                 System (IQMS) and R8.8 million
        budget was, as a result, used on          for office-based educators in
        the quintile 1 schools and only           terms of the Performance
        11% on those quintile 5. We are           Management Development
        happy to report that R70 million          Systems (PMDS), which
        for learner stationery was spent          includes the payment of back-
        by schools according to the               logs. For teachers we further
        Resource Targeting Table (RTT)            allocated R46.15 million for
        in keeping with the pro-poor              salary progression, R245.7 mil-
        funding principle.                        lion for the improvement of con-
                                                  ditions of service, R44.9 million
        We have R176 million allocated            for incentives for rural schools,
        to LTSM that was exposed by               R85 million for the improvement
        the media analysis were pro-              of salary packages of principals,
        gressively be addressed.                  R4 million for social support to
        Priority will be given to supply-         and counseling of educators and
        ing grade R, grade 10 and NCS             R2.9 million for the implementa-
        literature books for grade 12             tion of school grading norms.
        and learner stationery. In terms

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        Educator development, in the               the development of our educa-
        statement of the said ruling               tors. During 2008/09 a total of
        party again, it was said that "we          over R46 million will be spent on
        must focus in particular in devel-         the developmental need of our
        oping the capacity of teachers".           educators and other employees.
        In addition we are fully commit-           As we invest in the development
        ted to the Human Resource                  of our teachers, we have been
        Development (HRD) Strategy                 negligent if we do not remind
        Framework Vision of 2015 and               our teachers of their responsibil-
        its four pillars namely; the initia-       ities.
        tive joint capacity development,
        organizational support, gover-             It was the Honourable Trevor
        nance on institutional develop-            Manual and the President of the
        ment and economic growth on                ANC who spoke of this that the
        development. One of our strate-            teachers in school and class on
        gic goals is "develop the profes-          time more abuse to learners and
        sional quality of the depart-              no neglect of duty none nego-
        ment's workforce". Flowing from            tiable. I would like to indicate to
        this, one of our strategic objec-          the educators that, as much as I
        tives is "to transform the work-           acknowledge the right to indus-
        place into a learning organiza-            trial action, and support it will be
        tion". The development of our              remiss of no net to say unequiv-
        institution based educators                ocal the fast action thus damage
        remains a high priority of the             the culture of teaching and
        department.                                learning.

        In 2007 all educators were                 I would also like to indicate that
        enrolled in various learning               in our province we will also
        areas like advance certificate of          apply no-work-no pay principle
        education in political science,            very consecutively and to those
        mathematical literacy, mathe-              principals and teachers who
        matics and science technology              abuse public funds and learners
        in curriculum and professional             I would like to stress that the
        development. During 2008/09                department will take disciplinary
        financial year, the department             action without fear of favour.
        together with the National
        Department will continue with              In terms of the teachers awards

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        we have participated with pride           awareness in some of our
        in the National Teaching Awards           schools and funding the drama-
        as it has become customary.               tization of the grade 12 set
        We have scooped some of the               works, we thank you very much
        major prices as can be read               in Bojanala.
        from the copy that you have
        there. In terms of our                    The implementation of our
        Curriculum Delivery, 2007/08 R4           Learner Attainment Programme
        million was allocated for curricu-        bore fruit as we finished the
        lum implementation in further             2007 academic year and as the
        education and training band.              Premier said in her State of the
        This fund was mainly used for             Province Address, Honourable
        the implementation of the NCS,            Edna Molewa pointed out cor-
        which was implemented in                  rectly that the North West as
        grade 11. This R4.2 million is            one of the two provinces that
        allocated for the curriculum              managed to improve the matric-
        implementation on the FET                 ulation pass rate with all other
        band, which will be utilized for          provinces with the exception of
        the implementation for the NCS            1 down. For 2007/08 the spe-
        in terms of grade 12 to deal with         cial intervention for learner
        barrier backlogs.                         attainment received R8.2 million
                                                  this year and updated when we
        Deputy Speaker, R10 million is            continue with more vigour than
        allocated to support over 6 000           ever to the tune of more than
        grade 12 learners who are                 R9 million.
        unsuccessful in 2007. There               In the state of the provincial
        are classes conducted in cen-             address the Premier referred
        tres around the provinces giving          briefly to our camp in Taung for
        them the opportunity to sit for           the Khutsong learners for 445
        examinations which is presently           learners who hosted the
        taking place for this year. It is a       intensely learner. And despite
        once off exercise for the learn-          all challenges, the project finally
        ers to give them the opportunity          proved to be very successful.
        before this current epoch
        exceeds. I want to thank the              The average pass percentage
        Bojanala district municipality for        for the schools that participated
        promoting our environmental               was over 72% one of our great-

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        est moments indeed. We want               leboga makhosikazi. # [Thank
        to say to the learners and the            you, ladies] #
        parents of Khutsong that we are
        proud of this achievement and             In terms of the schools enrich-
        we want to reassure them that             ment programme, the R13.85
        they are part of us and we will           million for the past year promot-
        do the best to all of them. Re            ed participation intensify corpo-
        rata go leboga Bafokeng ka go             ration without departments and
        re thusa ka polane ya recovery,           stakeholders in various sporting
        re rata gore re re #[ We want to          and cultural events. The out-
        thank the Bafokeng for assisting          come of this corporation can be
        us with the recovery plan; we             read from the copy of the budg-
        want to say around]# … the                et speech. I also announce with
        ordinary public schools that par-         pride and excitement that thir-
        ticular number registered in the          teen (13) girls who took part in
        province and it got our schools           the national under nineteen (19)
        to over 2099. We have received            netball tournaments at Avion
        and worked through the submit-            Park in 2007 have been award-
        ted representations in this               ed bursaries to pursue degree
        regard. Final consultations have          of their choices. Currently, 21
        started and upon completion I             netball players from our
        will declare the measures in              province went through our
        terms of the government gazette           school enrichment programme
        as required by law. No schools            and are studying at various uni-
        will be merged without the ade-           versities utilizing the same
        quate consultation.                       scholarship.

        I would like to thank the                 One of them was chosen at the
        Standard Bank and Estrata for             tournament as its defender and
        the blankets that they provided           she was studying at gymnasium.
        our learners at Moediville                All universities in the country
        schools. Thanks also to the               with an interest in netball were
        Bhams Stationery and the                  rushing to recruit this girl includ-
        Department of Social                      ing New Zealand sport with a
        Development for providing                 national priority and receive over
        learners with uniforms and edu-           R10 million this year. In terms
        cational programmes. Re a                 of school library and media

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        services R2.5 million was allo-            at Madikwe for R4 million. Our
        cated to school library services           sincerest thanks to ABSA. I
        in previous financial year. With           would like to also thank Lonmin
        this amount, the department                Mines for their support to our
        purchased resources for 500                Mathematics and Science edu-
        schools, promoted a culture of             cators.
        reading through 3 events and
        trained 750 teachers librarians.           Through our partnership with
        My department together with                ETDP SETA, 74 mathematics
        Kanana retired teachers club               and science educators complet-
        and an American non- profit                ed a Post Graduate Certificate
        making organization established            in Education (PGCE) with the
        seven (7) libraries in Kanana in           North West University and were
        2008/09.                                   successfully placed in the
                                                   province. An additional 182
        In terms of the intervention of            educators were re-skilled to
        the Mathematics and Science                teach mathematical literacy. In
        and Technology Education, our              this financial year, Dinaledi
        intervention in Mathematics and            schools received R760 000 to
        Science will be intensified in this        provide every grade 11 & 12
        financial year. Last year we               learner with Mathematics and
        allocated 26 million to this inter-        Science textbooks, dictionaries
        vention as alluded to by the               and calculators. The construc-
        Honourable Premier. Much                   tion of the laboratories at
        delivery occurred at these                 Dinaledi schools continues; as
        schools. We all achieved addi-             we speak. In the medium term,
        tional teachers R1.6 million was           R18 million will be used to
        spent on getting the laboratories          expand the provisioning of
        in the 61 Dinaledi schools func-           macro and micro science kits to
        tional. We also spent over R12             all high schools.
        million on macro-micro science
        kits. In partnership with ABSA             This year, in partnership with the
        Foundation and in line with our            Transnet foundation, and still in
        Education Development and                  line with the EDSC strategy, a
        Support Centres (EDSC) strate-             bigger state-of-the art mathe-
        gy, we built a state-of-the art            matic and science centre will be
        mathematics and science centre             erected in the Moretele area at

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        the cost of R8 million. Deputy            The department further imple-
        Speaker, we have implemented              mented grade 3 Quality
        our Deaf programme with 10                Improvement and Development
        centres and 1 500 learner in              Upgrading Programme (QIDS-
        grade 6, 9, and 12. This year,            UP) Baseline Survey in 133 pri-
        will expand this project to 18            mary schools, which involved
        centres with 2 700 learners               5320 grade 3 learners. The pro-
        receiving supplementary tuition           gramme received over R10.5
        on Saturdays. This expansion              million for educational resources
        also includes vacation camps for          to 215 primary schools, which
        Grade 12 learners at R5.6 mil-            was amongst others, spent on a
        lion. Please le se ke la re ga re         baseline study involving 152
        bereke bagaetsho.                         schools in quintiles 1, 2 and 3.
                                                  In terms of Education
        I would like to take this opportu-        Management Governance
        nity to congratulate Mrs. V.              Development (EMGD) much
        Monareng from Khayalethu                  investment was done with
        Secondary School, Bojanala for            regard to the training of school
        winning the Aggrey Klaaste                management and School
        mathematics and technology                Governing Bodies (SGB).
        educator of the year award in             Provincial regulations for the
        General Education and Training            SGBs were developed and are
        (GET) category. This won her              ready for release into the public
        school a fully equipped comput-           domain for consultation, which
        er centre and science kits and            will start in April 2008.
        herself a personal computer and
        R5000 cash. Systemic evalua-              Training of members of the
        tion, in September and October            Representative Council for
        2007, the North West Education            Learners (RCL) was conducted
        Department participated in                and further support for these
        grade 3 National Systemic                 bodies will be provided in the
        Evaluation Project. This exer-            form of a seminar in
        cise is still in progress. In this        September/October 2008. The
        regard, a full report will be             many trained ones which
        issued by the National                    appointed the school managers
        Department of Education.                  inducted and the conference for
                                                  the primary school principals will

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        also be held. Here is a bit of a           Development we have a number
        difficult side, the National School        of safety programmes in schools
        Nutrition Programme. Deputy                running. In the new financial
        Speaker, through a conditional             year, with an allocation of R3
        grant the National School                  297 million most of the safety in
        Nutrition Programme (NSNP)                 schools activities will continue.
        received R87.916 million. The              Infrastructure this financial year
        department soon discovered                 was allocated to the resources
        that this funding was not suffi-           and facilities. With this funding,
        cient.                                     6 new schools were erected and
                                                   as indicated by Honourable
        The programme fed 416 952                  Premier in her State of the
        learners for a week because of             Province Address 125 mobile
        the shortage of funds they were            classes were supplied.
        decreased to 3. And this year in           Consistent with our plans, how-
        many of our schools there was              ever, 21 schools were renovated
        no feeding because of lack of              and 39 were provided with sani-
        money. The department regrets              tation facilities.
        the state of affairs the cake is
        not enough. The grant alloca-              The renovations of the 7
        tion of over R103 million feeding          schools and the provisioning of
        will occur this year for 172 days,         sanitation at 11 schools are in
        4 days a week, that is will be             progress and will still be funded
        increased to almost 400. We                from 2007/08 budget. Also with
        will train some in the handling of         the delivery of 125 mobile class-
        food. In terms of the allocation           rooms will be continued as we
        of R3.9 was spent on efforts to            go on. The Department of
        make our schools safer places.             Public Works is with us on these
        During the December holidays,              endeavours. Deputy Speaker, I
        65 schools which were ministeri-           would like to acknowledge the
        al were provided with the pal-             following donors and partners
        isade and electrical fence, as             that contributed towards infra-
        well as the security guards.               structure development in
                                                   Bojanala:
        In partnership with the South              - Anglo Platinum, Anglo Plats
        African Police Services and the            (Swartklip and Rustenburg)
        Department of Social                       Lonmin Mines, Sun City, Royal

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        Bafokeng and Carousel for ren-             Management Information
        ovating schools.                           Services (EMIS). 42 schools
        - Barrick Platinum South Africa            were computerized. In addition,
        and Bakgatla-ba- Kgafela Tribal            PriceWaterhouseCoopers
        Authority for toilets and 9                (PWC) sponsored computeriza-
        schools.                                   tion of 5 schools and the
        - PPC for erecting the new                 Universal Service and Access
        school, Ramokoka Primary.                  Agency of South Africa
                                                   (USAASA). I would like to thank
        I would like to express the                these two organizations for their
        department's sincere apprecia-             generosity. Let me thank the
        tion for the efforts, as our school        Lesedi technology for renovating
        infrastructural backlog is indeed          computer laboratories at 2
        the greatest challenge that we             schools and the Bojanala munic-
        are facing as a department.                ipality and the Royal Bafokeng
        With an allocation of R240 mil-            for IT equipment supplied to
        lion in 2008/09, 2 new schools             schools.
        will be built, renovations will be
        done at nine (9) through the               In terms of programme 3
        Department of Public Works,                Independent School and Home
        280 mobile classrooms will be              Education, Deputy Speaker, an
        distributed, 50 schools will be            allocation of R7 million for subsi-
        provided with clean and 40 with            dies to independent schools was
        ablution facilities. 20 schools            spent 100% during 2008 finan-
        will be rehabilitated through the          cial year. In 2008/09 the alloca-
        new department Itereleng                   tion increased to R7.5 million.
        Project. Maintenance of toilets            The department promulgated
        will be completed in twenty (20)           regulations for independent
        schools.                                   schools and home education.
                                                   This financial year we see the
        In terms of information technolo-          vigorous application of these
        gy, in the previous financial              regulations. So far, 18 home
        year, R21.17 million was allocat-          learners registered.
        ed for information technology of
        which R5.1 went to phase 3 of              In terms of programme 4, in
        the computerization programme              2007 an allocation of R135.776
        and R16.07 million to Education            million was made to special

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        schools and inclusive education           nation address our department
        which included compensation of            will intensify its participation in
        educators on the strengthening            the Joint Initiative on Priority
        of special school, hostel subsi-          Skills Acquisition (JIPSA). We
        dies, bursaries, maintenance,             welcome government's contin-
        learner transport, assistive              ued intervention in the Further
        devices, equipment and vehi-              Education and Training colleges
        cles. The strengthening of the            through the recapitalization of
        special schools also included             the FET colleges, we will persist
        the transformation of assess-             with strengthening of training of
        ment and enrolment procedures             FET institutions. During
        I special schools.                        2007/08 colleges received bur-
                                                  saries totaling of R5.5 million to
        During 2007 progress was                  fund their participation in the
        made, in all the areas men-               NCV and R5 million for partici-
        tioned; however, it is worth men-         pating in the old NATED pro-
        tioning that we purchased 9               grammes. In spite of the poor
        vehicles and provided a trans-            performance of mathematics
        port subsidy to needy learners            and engineering, the results of 3
        and on the 8th of January estab-          colleges were exceptionally
        lished the Christiana School for          high.
        the Blind. In 2008/09 financial
        year, the department allocates            At this juncture, I would like to
        R137.04 for inclusive education           thank the Danish Embassy once
        and the running of special                again for the valuable contribu-
        schools and R68 million for               tion towards the development
        strengthening of special schools          and consolidation of our FET
        that the MEC for Finance                  colleges.
        Honourable Modiselle refers to
        in her budget speech.                     In terms of programme 6, Adult
                                                  Basic Education and Training
        Programme 5, Further                      over R110 million and an
        Education and Training colleges,          increase of 0.3%. Last year,
        consistent with the intentions of         adult education received an allo-
        the Honourable President of the           cation of over R102 million. For
        country Thabo Mbeki as                    the first time, text books cover-
        expressed in his state of the             ing ABET levels 1 to 4 were

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        delivered at ABET centres. Also           tioned the training of the ECD
        for the first time, ABET levels 1         caregivers and practitioners
        to 3 learners wrote common                which was echoed by the
        provincial papers and the mod-            Honourable Minister of Finance
        eration of Continuous                     in his 2008 budget speech.
        Assessment (CASS) and ques-               During 2007, this programme
        tion papers in general were               was delivered with excellence in
        done effectively. In 2007 the             our province. We have just
        department trained 150 ABET               approved the posts of 17 offi-
        educators as assessors and 20             cials, on contract, to continue
        as moderators. Towards the                with the delivery on this pro-
        same goal, an additional 150              gramme. As in the previous two
        were trained as coaches and               financial years, in 2008, we will
        mentors. To improve the finan-            continue to train 630 ECD care-
        cial management in the centres,           givers and practitioners.
        we trained 42 centre managers
        on financial and project man-             During 2007/08 over R11 million
        agement.                                  in terms of EPWP the depart-
                                                  ment trained 330 caregivers on
        Deputy Speaker, in regard to the          NQF level1 and 300 practition-
        Kha Ri Gude Mass Literacy                 ers on level 4. Schools were
        Campaign which the President              provided with basic resources to
        announced in his state of the             incorporate grade R into primary
        nation address, the North West            schools. This process will con-
        Education Department during               tinue. During this financial year,
        2008/09 will train grade 12 mas-          Early Childhood Development
        ter trainers who will provide             centres will be handed over to
        basic literacy classes to 27 000          the Department of Social
        functionally illiterate adults and        Development. However, the
        youths over 16 years olds.                Department of Education will
                                                  retain the responsibility for cur-
        Programme 7, Early Childhood              riculum delivery and the training
        Development Deputy Speaker,               of the practitioners.
        as part of the poverty alleviation
        and the Expanded Public Works             The last vote, Auxiliary and
        Programme, the Honourable                 Associated Services over R56
        President of the country men-             million a decrease of 2.5% HIV

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        increased Deputy Speaker.                 smooth implementation of the
        With the conditional grant of             first National Senior Certificate
        R10 million in the past year,             (NSC) examinations. As I
        much was achieved in terms of             already mentioned, we are chal-
        HIV programme. The condition-             lenged with grade 12 learners
        al grant of over R12 million will         will, for the first time, sit for this
        be used for advocacy educator             examination. In addition to the
        development to education, care            distribution of exemplar question
        and support, monitoring and               papers, we will meet this chal-
        support and administration.               lenge with preparatory examina-
                                                  tion in September that will be
        In the previous year, we allocat-         written in the 11 big subjects.
        ed over R57 million to examina-
        tions. With this allocation, we           The grade 10 and 11 underper-
        managed to administer grade 12            forming schools will write com-
        examinations with great suc-              mon midyear and year-end
        cess, of course it was indicated          examination papers in 10 sub-
        by national that we did work              jects. ABET level 4 examina-
        once. I wonder opposes that?              tions will be conducted in June
        2007/08 allocation was further            and November. The grade 9
        spent on full scale grade 11              CTA's part A and B will be
        external examination. This was            administered during the last
        done only by one other                    quarter of the academic year.
        province. I can, however,                 External assessment instru-
        assure you Deputy Speaker that            ments will be implemented in
        this will bear fruit when the             grades 3 and 6. As I indicated
        grade 12 candidates write their           earlier, all candidates who have
        first National Senior Certificate         not finished the NATED 550
        examination at the end of this            Senior Certificates will get an
        year.                                     opportunity during May/June
                                                  2008. This year's examinations
        We administered two external              programme receives a budget of
        examinations (May and                     over R63 million.
        October) for adult learners and
        grade 9 Common Task for                   In conclusion Deputy Speaker,
        Assessment (CTA) parts A and              in the spirit of the President's
        B. This year, we will ensure              2008 state of national address, I

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        want to assure you that, within           HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        the North West Education                  Honourable Moruti Tselapedi,
        Department, this financial year           you were certainly maintained
        will indeed be one of "Business           your good record in this House.
        Unusual" and "All hands on                You have completed you input in
        deck". I want to warn every-              50 minutes less 10 minutes, you
        body that anybody without their           still had 10 minutes. I'm now
        hands on deck will have no                proceeding to invite the chair-
        hand. There comes the usual               person of the portfolio commit-
        story I thank who who and also            tee on education Honourable
        who. I just want to say that I            Mahlangu to present a report on
        thank the team education that is          behalf of the committee.
        with me today never have I the
        privilege to serve with the man           HON. MAHLANGU:
        like ntate Mweli, never in this           Thank you Deputy Speaker,
        government. I have an opportu-            Members of the Executive
        nity to serve with the man like           Council, Members of the
        ntate Mweli, a man after my own           Legislature, guests, ladies and
        heart, we move together we do             gentlemen. We are living in a
        not fight, we work. I salute you.         time of peace and prosperity
                                                  and we have a good fortune to
        I salute the Premier, who has             be living in one of the most
        continuously given a support we           import countries in world. A
        were scarred last year with the           nation dedicated to freedom,
        R722 million. We thank you and            equality, democracy and quality
        madam Modiselle for coming                education for all. Out optimism
        through for us, we thank you              and integrity has ceased the
        leader of government. We                  moment, so now is the right time
        thank all the MECs mastering              to set the expectations the
        partners, it has been a great             provincial education with out
        ride together. We thank all the           effort to create a democracy of
        Members of the Legislature, the           excellence.
        people who does us account-
        able, the Chief Whip has been             The committee met with the
        very vigorous on that and I               department on the 06th of May
        thank God.                                2008 to outline its annual per-
                                                  formance plan which is more

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        than R6 billion which the depart-         regions.
        ment also indicate that is not            - In schools also we also
        enough for the department and             raised a concern the use of
        also for education in the                 drugs by learners and lack of
        province. Our interaction with            discipline by learner and teach-
        the department brought to the             ers.
        forth the following concerns:-
                                                  On the issue of special schools,
        - The office of the Auditor               the committee indicated that
        General has indicated that the            there should be inclusive educa-
        capped leave could not be recti-          tion and physical adaptability in
        fied by the persal system.                schools for the disabled. The
        - The asset register in which             location of the scholar transport
        some assets were not bar-                 budget in the Department of
        coded and some could not be               Transport did not assist the
        located.                                  problem which we have raised
        - The unauthorized expendi-               for the past 14 years about
        ture which amounted to R2193              learners who are walking long
        984 million                               distances to school.
        - We also raised the issue of
        the demographical pressures in            The school nutrition feeding pro-
        Bojanala and Southern region              gramme, service providers are
        which are experiencing an influx          not paid on time. As a result
        of learners as a result there is          learners are not fed appropriate-
        overcrowding in schools.                  ly and as indicated by the MEC
        - Shortage of classrooms in               in his budget speech hat the
        the province                              days have been reduced from 5
        - Lack of computer rooms, lab-            to 4 day because of the budget
        oratories and libraries: most of          constraints.
        the schools do not have special
        room that could be dedicated to           - We raised and issue of poor
        be used as computer laborato-             monitoring of schools by the
        ries and no educators to facili-          Area Project Office's because
        tate the teaching of computers.           many schools are complaining
        - There was also and issue of             that they are not seeing this
        crucial unfilled posts affecting          project office anything for them.
        service delivery especially in the        - The dissemination to schools

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        concerning the Further                    ing consequences for our coun-
        Education Training Colleges               try and the province.
        (FETC's).
        - Lack of continuous training of          Many of you today know we
        School Governing Bodies                   face a new situation with the
        (SGB's).                                  new economy that was ushered
        - The incorporation of the                in with the new democracy. This
        Grade R's without the provision           economy is forcing us to
        of classrooms and resources is            address two major shortages for
        a concern to the committee.               our province and out country.
        - The issue of the farm schools           Firstly, we need world class
        and the plan to merge some of             engineers, scientists, business
        the farm schools, the plan there-         leaders and professional of all
        of was also a concern to the              kinds. Secondly, we have a criti-
        committee.                                cal shortage of highly skilled
        - The implementation of the no            young people who are capable
        fee school policy in the                  of operating, maintaining and
        province. The problem we are              developing the new technolo-
        raising is that it is not clear           gies on our manufacturing and
        whether there is a problem with           service industries. Our educa-
        the policy or there is a problem          tion system seems to be unable
        with the funds in this particular         to sustain these challenges.
        policy.
        - Poor management of schools              The committee after looking at
        which results into poor results.          these matters recommended the
        - The implementation of the               following to the department:-
        Kha Ri Gude project is a very
        serious concern to the commit-            - To build more classrooms for
        tee.                                      the learners in different regions
                                                  - The Department should
        It is often been stated that              develop a strategic intervention
        changing education philosophies           with regard to provision of
        and methods is as difficult as            mobile classrooms that are safe
        moving a graveyard. Today we              for the learners.
        have an opportunity to make               - The Department should
        changes in our educational sys-           recruit staff to crucial posts and
        tem that could have far - reach-          not forgetting the implementa-

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        tion of the gender equity policy.         changes. Certainly there are no
        - The Department should sup-              single pillar to resolves our
        port and monitor the Area                 problems in education and tin-
        Project Office's (APO'S) in order         kering around the ages when do
        for them to monitor and support           either. Many still believe that a
        different schools.                        liberal education is viable for all
        - The Department to ensure                and that 4 year BA degree is
        that public ordinary schools are          best or every possible for all stu-
        accessible to learners with dis-          dents. The point I'm making is
        abilities even though there are           that is that we have essential
        budget constrains.                        need for highly skilled world
        - The Department to ensure                class workforce. Currently we
        the National feeding scheme is            finding that many students grad-
        beneficial and service provider           uating from high schools are not
        are paid on time.                         only untrained for the world of
        - The Department to facilitate            work but are unemployed. The
        an outreach programme to                  situation is even worse because
        inform learners, teachers, princi-        most non academically oriented
        pal and parents about the fur-            students and high school drop
        ther Education Training enrol-            outs are unable to benefit ade-
        ment.                                     quately from the FET colleges.
        - Training principals in school           The shortage of the highly
        management.                               skilled workforce is therefore
        - Investigate and report to the           survival issue for our province
        committee about Kha Ri Gude               and our country in general.
        project
        - Also to report to the commit-           It is "business unusual" for the
        tee about the Mankala High                Department of Education; it is
        School in Makapanstadt about              "business as usual for the
        the …[inaudible]… that took               regions for the APO's because
        place there.                              as the committee we are con-
                                                  cerned about some of the activi-
        Honourable Deputy Speaker, we             ties taking place in these areas.
        need to retrain our teachers and
        principal to take on these larger          In conclusion, the committee
        roles and we need to the help of          commends the Department of
        the public to support these               Education on its performance

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        and budget plan presentation              lack of discipline in schools,
        and pledge to support the vote.           poor management of schools,
        However the committee further             poor monitoring of schools by
        reminded the department to                the area project offices and
        ensure that there is quality serv-        many other sector that I can
        ice delivery in schools. The              enlist.
        Committee requests the House
        to vote and support the budget.           The budget allocation for the
        I thank you Honourable Deputy             department has a shortfall of
        Speaker.                                  R288 million, it was supposed to
                                                  have been R7,211 billion which
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        could have only accommodated
        Honourable Mahlangu did very              basic needs but the final
        well, 8 minutes out of 10. The            approved allocation amounts to
        next speaker is Honourable                only R6.9 billion. The shortfall
        Matladi your time allocation is 8         could take the department back
        minutes.                                  to the over expenditure of the
                                                  previous financial year which
        HON. MATLADI:                             should be avoided. Due to lack
        Motlotlegi Motlatsa                       of capacity, the department
        Mmusakgotla ke a dumedisa.                hired consultants to perform
        The grade 12 results have                 duties which were meant for
        improved at 0.2% from 67% to              employed officials. At certain
        76.2% in 2006/07 respectively.            R84 000.00 Gobodo was hired
        Out of the 21 372 learners who            to assist in preparing the finan-
        passed, only 5 060 passed with            cial statement, coordinate the
        university endorsement. Many              audit, review and align policies
        reasons could be attributed to            and identify weaknesses in the
        the low numbers in university             system and provide recommen-
        entrance poor pass rate, includ-          dations.
        ing failure to provide quality
        education due to huge class-              Again, Gobodo was employed to
        room enrolments. Lack of com-             assist the asset management for
        puter rooms, laboratories and             training to correct the asset reg-
        libraries in most of our schools,         ister at an amount of R342 00.
        crucial unfilled posts affecting          For the third time Gobodo also
        teaching, substance abuse and             performed duties of the Chief

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        Financial Officers at the cost of           the Department of Education.
        R212 040.00 and the total of the            Other infrastructure projects are
        money used by consultants is                done by the Department of
        R1.2 million. The committee                 Public Works.
        would like the department to
        minimize the employment of                  The report the committee
        consultants in order to safe                received states that Public
        funds for service delivery. It              Works takes time to complete
        becomes a double expenditure                projects while the trust is always
        when officials employed are                 doing its work in time. Public
        paid and their work is done by              Works talks of poor quality of
        consultants who also get paid.              the education trust projects and
        The department employed con-                we think this has to be resolved
        sultants as well to perform head            to have more duplication of
        count of its personnel and the              duties. We also support that
        consultants couldn't do a good              members of the trust who are
        job, nevertheless they were                 employees of their respective
        reemployment to repeat the very             companies should resign from
        same exercise and were still                the trust when their employment
        paid.                                       contract are terminated. The
                                                    department is reported to have
        For the year 2007/08 the num-               crucial unfit finance positions
        ber of people employed by the               which are said proper and
        department is said to be 35 262             smooth procurement proce-
        (thirty five thousand two hun-              dures.
        dred and sixty two) we believe
        this figure is correct since it also        The 2008/09 strategic plan page
        includes the vacant posts. We               7 reports 30% vacancy rate and
        received a report of another                the cooperative centre alone
        strategy to verify personnel                with 34.5% while regions are at
        numbers that one of having to               27.6% vacancy rate. This is
        pay at hand instead of employ-              amazing since qualified educa-
        ees receiving their salaries at             tors are unemployed and some
        the bank. We wish the depart-               are said to be in access, why
        ment luck in this endeavour.                don't they fill up the vacant posi-
        The education development                   tions? The Adult Basic
        trust schools and classrooms for            Education and Training aims at

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        improving good quality educa-              also reported where the girls
        tion and training to all adults and        who have children leave the
        youth who have not gone                    classrooms and sometimes are
        through the main stream of edu-            accompanied by their boyfriends
        cation system. Nevertheless,               to go and share the grant that is
        ABET literacy has not improved             meant for taking care of chil-
        as expected and ABET system                dren. We would like this as well
        is not reducing the number of              attended to in our learning sites.
        illiterates and functional illiter-        No fee schools, a very good
        ates as such enough.                       project but it has got the very
                                                   problems that I have highlight
        Since 1996 curriculum has been             number to be increased espe-
        changing from OBE curriculum               cially the poor rural schools in
        2005 NRC today we are talking              the province and to some
        about new curriculum statement,            schools exemption from pay-
        which is now being implemented             ment of school fund is a disad-
        at grade 9. It is stated educa-            vantage to the school financially,
        tors will continue to receive sup-         therefore such school reject the
        port from curriculum specialist to         no-fee exemption. Money is
        enable to improve and the quali-           paid to schools supposed to be
        ty of learning and teaching in             managed by untrained SGBs
        the classroom. The question is             some schools are even without
        did these educators get proper             bank accounts and the report is
        training or are they only have             that the funds are always used
        baked which results in work not            not for the necessary items that
        being done thoroughly and they             would help the school but rather
        are not understanding exactly              for other items very much unim-
        how the new curriculum state-              portant.
        ment would differ from the oth-
        ers that had been there before             Revision regarding allocation of
        and would results in confusion             funds to schools to be done as
        in the classroom situation and             well as payments to be received
        leads to the poor results at the           in time to allow schools to use
        end of the year.                           the funds. Finally Honourable
                                                   Deputy Speaker, I received a
        Wellness in schools, especially            report from the
        during payments of grants is               Ottosdale/Delareyville Ms Nel

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        who is having a problem about             Honourable Gerber will not do
        the two kilometer tarred road             what Honourable Matladi has
        that has been closed living resi-         done, you have 8 minutes.
        dents to use a very dangerous
        gravel road and she is ferrying           HON. GERBER:
        the learners from point A to              Thank you Honourable Deputy
        schools everyday using the dan-           Speaker, the Freedom Front
        gerous gravel road. Last week             Plus congratulate Mr Mweli with
        she nearly had three accidents            his promotion to Superintendent
        on the very same roads. She               General a few months ago we
        has reported the matter to the            wish him the very best for the
        department to Mr David Artwel,            way forward and we want him to
        the site manager, the contractor          succeed to better the situation
        Mr P. Seoposengwe, the con-               of education in our province. In
        sultant Steven Morufu and even            the few minutes at my disposal,
        to "Beeld koerant" where she              I today want to put a case for
        was really seeking help. Also             better subsidies for independ-
        sort the help of Honourable               ence schools in our province.
        Gerber in order to present it to          Firstly, I want to put facts and I
        the House. These measures                 urge the department under the
        have been taken but today the             Honourable MEC to listen with
        department hasn't attended to             an open mind to it.
        the matter.
                                                  1. If all the independence
        As I close Honourable Deputy              schools in South Africa should
        Speaker allow me as well to               be closed and the learners
        congratulate Honourable                   should have to go to states
        Tselapedi and rre Mweli for               schools, the budget for educa-
        being so cooperative in working           tion should have to be increase
        with the portfolio committee              by 4%. In the North West it
        every time we've got issues to            would be R279 million. At the
        raise with them, they respond.            moment we subsidize independ-
        We wish them all the luck and             ence schools with only R7.3 mil-
        want their vote to be passed. I           lion a fraction of that R279 mil-
        thank you.                                lion. You save in our province
                                                  R279 million on independence
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        schools but you give back only

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        R7.3 million, I think that is not         canvassing for a few Afrikaners
        business.                                 schools but also for the many
        2. For the last 3 financial years         and majority of Black learner
        the education budget were                 who do not get any subsidies
        increased by 13.4%, the budget            from the department in this
        for independence schools were             regard.
        increased by 12.2%. It seems if
        the department is facing out the          These, Honourable Deputy
        budget for independence                   Speaker are the facts to consid-
        schools, whilst economically              er, if you look at it with an open
        spoken, it would be better to             mind, nobody should be against
        increase subsidies for independ-          subsidies for independent
        ence schools.                             schools.
        3. The North West government
        subsidizes only 19 out of more            En nou my pleit vir 'n nuwe
        than 50 it may even be 70 inde-           bedeling vir onafhanklike skole
        pendence schools in our                   in ons Provinsie. Die rol wat
        province. The Free State on the           onafhanklike skole kan speel om
        other hand subsidizes almost all          goeie onderwys in Suid-Afrika te
        independence schools in their             kan verseker word tans dink ek,
        province.                                 deur die Regering onderskat.
        4. It is mist that only the rich          Onafhanklike skole is besig om
        send their children to independ-          in Suid-Afrika onder alle bevolk-
        ence schools. 80% of all inde-            ingsgroepe en onder alle gods-
        pendence schools in South                 dienstige groepe te groei. Die
        Africa cater for middle and lower         Regering moet nie daaroor
        middle class people. Only 20%             ongemaklik of bedreigd voel nie
        of those schools is really rich           trouens hy behoort dit te ver-
        such as the school of the                 welkom en dit te ondersteun. Dit
        Minister of Education also send           maak die finansiële las van die
        or has send a child to an inde-           Regering ligter. Die Staat
        pendent school.                           bespaar tans 4% op sy onder-
        5. Most of the independence               wys begroting in ag genome die
        schools in North West who do              huidige aantal onafhanklike
        not receive subsidies from the            skole in Suid-Afrika. 'n Deel van
        department are schools for                daardie 4% in Noordwes R 275
        black children. I'm thus not only         miljoen behoort terug geploeg te

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        word in skole wat onafhanklik             skole in ons provinsie wat jaar
        funksioneer en aan dier                   na jaar al die prosedures volg
        vereistes wat die departement             om aansoek te doen vir subsi-
        stelsel voldoen. Dit is 'n goeie          dies. Een skool weet ek doen dit
        belegging wat die regering sou            sedert 2003.
        maak. Verder is dit ook 'n
        bewese feit dat onafhankilike             Ek het daardie skool se leêr
        skole oor die algemeen beter              gesien en die korrespondensie
        vaar in matriek eksamens as               wat daarin gevoer is. Daar is
        statskole. Statistiek bewys dit.          geen kommunikasie van die
        En die staat hoef nie daaroor             kant van die departement nie.
        jaloers te voel nie onafhanklike          Geen redes word aangevoer
        skole het oor die algemeen                waarom subsidies geweier word
        beter opgeleide onderwysers as            nie. Ek dink dit is 'n skande en
        statskole.                                behoort reg gestel te word. 'n
                                                  Laaste woord oor daardie leer-
        Die Staat sit met duisende                linge waarna agbare Matladi
        onvoldoende gekwalifiseerde               verwys het, meer as 400 leer-
        onderwysers en daarom kan                 linge wie se lewens bedreig
        elke reg- denkende mens ver-              word omdat hulle in busse ver-
        staan dat daardie skole ook               voer word tussen Ottosdal en
        swakker sal presteer. Aan die             Delareyville op 'n baie lewens-
        anderkant behoort die Staat               gevaarlike pad. Ek het twee
        dankbaar te wees vir elke ouer            weke gelede vir die LUR vir
        wat volle verantwoordelikheid             Vervoer en Paaie 'n brief
        neem vir die onderrig van sy              geskrywe en dit onder sy
        kind en wat bereid is om 'n grot-         aandag gebring. Hy het onm-
        er bydrae vir die onderrig van sy         middelik terug geantwoord en
        kind wil betaal. Maar dan                 gesê daar sal dadelik aandag
        behoort die Staat ook hierdie             gegee word aan die probleem.
        inisiatief te beloon deur 'n
        gedeelte van wat hy bespaar in            Gister is ek weer in kennis ges-
        die onafhankilike skole terug te          tel dat die pad onrybaar is en
        ploeg. Ek kry soms die indruk             dat die saak steeds nie afge-
        Agbare Adjunk Speaker dat die             handel is nie. Die kontrakteur
        Staat 'n koue skouer het vir              het eers beweer dat hy nie deur
        onafhanklike skole. Daar is               die Staat betaal word nie en

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        daarom nie met die werk kon               House a lecture on the South
        voortgaan nie en nou is sy prob-          African constitution, it is very
        leem weer dat daar 'n probleem            important to also reflex on the
        is met sement. Ek vra die                 obligations imposed by the con-
        agbare LUR van Onderwys en                stitution. We know for the fact
        die Departement dat hulle drin-           that our supreme law has the
        gend aandag aan die saak sal              Bill of Rights and amongst these
        gee. Daar is leerlinge wie se             rights we have the socio-eco-
        lewens in gevaar is. U moet ook           nomic rights. These rights
        met hom praat. Dit lyk my, my             include their right to access ade-
        praat help nie. Ek wil net sê die         quate housing, healthcare, food,
        kinders se lewens is in gevaar            water, social security and edu-
        en dit sal nie help dat die               cation. I'm therefore more inter-
        Departement op die ou end vir             ested in the education right for
        begrafnisse betaal nie. Hulle             now.
        moet die pad regmaak sodat die
        kinders veilig oor die weg na die         I believe that education and
        skool gebring kan word. Dankie            training is one of basic human
        agbare Adjunk Speaker.                    rights and that all individuals in
                                                  respective of race, class, gen-
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        der, age, factual orientation and
        Honourable Gerber you were on             physical or disability should
        time. We are proceeding. The              access it. Under transport for
        next speaker is Honourable                us to realize this education right
        Mokomela-Mothibi. You have                is to ensure that proper
        already spent a minute of your            resources are put in place. We
        time as you moved to the podi-            are very much aware that our
        um.                                       government in rural areas like
                                                  Manthe in Taung is committed to
        HON. MOKOMELA-MOTHIBI:                    provide transport to pupil but lit-
        Honourable Deputy Speaker,                tle has been done so far. This
        Honourable Premier,                       should be prioritized as part of
        Honourable Chief Whip, magosi             department's strategy to
        le bo-mmakgosi ba ba mo, all              improve quality of schooling.
        protocol observed.
                                                  The department provides little or
        Without giving this august                no funding in this area, however,

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        the National Education                      have no computers until now
        Department is committed to pro-             when the MEC for Education
        vide transport to school children           has just told us that the
        who walk long distances. In this            Bafokeng have contributed IT,
        very issue, the parents, brothers           our gratitude to them. There are
        and sisters of the learners                 libraries that have no books.
        should be told that those bicy-
        cles are not theirs but particular-         Under PPM, does not seem to
        ly for the scholars. It should not          be assisting educators instead it
        happen like it is happening in              frustrate them. During the
        Manthe whereby the bicycles                 opening of schools and taking
        are taken by brothers, mothers              parliament to the people we saw
        and fathers.                                pathetic cases whereby the
                                                    teachers of grade 1 were over-
        Under infrastructure, the budget            loaded with plus minus 78 learn-
        for education 2008/09 thus                  ers and when those of higher
        reflects availability on infrastruc-        grades were having only 32 or
        ture expenditure but it does not            less learners. This causes over-
        reflect the course of provision             crowding in so much that in
        and how this has changed over-              Moshosho Primary School in
        time. We are experiencing the               Manthe the governing body
        challenge of construction of                packaged a shack for learners.
        classrooms and sanitary facili-             We can just imagine how do
        ties for our educators and                  learners concentrate in a
        pupils. It is not surprising today          extreme changes of whether
        that some of our schools are                during different seasons of the
        using pit and bucket system of              year.
        toilet. We therefore urge the
        department to expertise this                In Klerksdorp district, at
        process of infrastructure as we             Galaletsang children were
        foresee the health hazard for               squeezed in a classroom of
        our learners. Many equipments               unbearable conditions with
        cannot be ignored at this junc-             regard to chairs, desks, floors
        ture; most of schools lack these            and physical structure of the
        many equipments. They have                  school let alone the two shacks
        laboratories that have no equip-            that were constructed from old
        ments, computer centre that                 iron and zinc from work depart-

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        ment by parents. Because of                 and it must be noted that this is
        PPM classrooms are not built                their ultimate fate to put them in
        according to the roll of the                the mainstream of higher educa-
        school and teachers are not                 tion. Discipline for both educa-
        employed according to the num-              tors and learner's is of outmost
        ber of learners. This leaves                importance as they still lack of it
        principals, governing bodies                in some few schools. I further
        together with educators with                would like to comment the
        their morale and passion for                Department of Education for
        teaching being very low at the              reducing the ill discipline behav-
        same time we expect good                    iour at most schools, it is not
        results.                                    like the way Honourable Matladi
                                                    has just alluded to there is disci-
        Much as we acknowledge and                  pline at our schools we have
        comment the department for                  seen it.
        increase of principal's salaries
        as MEC has alluded to, we then              From my opening I made men-
        say managers in our province                tion of socio-economic rights
        still earn less than others of their        amongst these rights, we have
        counterparts in other provinces.            access to adequate food and
        Despite the fact that the educa-            water. Without discussing these
        tion department was required to             rights in details, I strongly
        improve their salaries for reten-           believe that the government has
        tion strategy purposes more                 a social responsibility to ensure
        than any other thing, I wonder if           that these rights are realized by
        they have maybe substantial                 all who are in need, so all learn-
        reasons for not doing that.                 ers should be fed during school
        Deputy Speaker, this is matter of           hours. School fees, we are
        concern that cannot be excluded             aware that there is a substantial
        from this debate. More effort               variation in fees paid within the
        should be placed to those who               high quintiles. We therefore
        are going to be future grade 12.            suggest that there must be uni-
                                                    formity in paying schools fees;
        Schools year has the responsi-              furthermore we have noted that
        bility to ensure that other grades          there is no legislation in place to
        are well encouraged and pre-                limit the level of fees or of
        pared for entering their grade 12           increasing such fees. This has

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        left other schools without learn-          school that caters for grade R
        ers on the other hand having               and has outdoor equipment.
        others overcrowded.
                                                   In conclusion, there is indeed a
        Nevertheless, we appreciate the            continued urgency that even
        fact that the department is at             though much has been achieved
        40% and pushing for more that              since 1994 we need to recommit
        50% during this year as he says            with renewed energy and
        MEC for Education today.                   vigourness with the necessary
        There is no rewind button that             resources to address chal-
        can be pushed for the opportu-             lenges. I say children are our
        nity to provide quality education          future so we must invest in
        to be played again. Education              them. I thank you the
        is necessary to develop and free           Honourable Deputy Speaker.
        the potential of each child in this
        wonderful country of ours. It              HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        cannot be accepted that in the             Honourable Vilakazi yesterday I
        constitutional democracy which             referred to you Rule 80, I don't
        we fought for we live in a coun-           want to repeat that and other
        try where the potential of some            Rules that I said I may want to
        children are met whilst that of            use as a way of conducting
        others is neglected and                    members' conduct. I'm now
        destroyed.                                 proceeding to the next speaker I
                                                   saw Honourable Groenewald,
        About Early Childhood                      you have 8 minutes sir.
        Development, I did not hear in
        past years about facing in of              HON. GROENEWALD:
        grade R into mainstream having             Honourable Deputy Speaker,
        being budgeted for especial with           Honourable Premier,
        regard to physical structure like          Honourable Members, officials
        just to give one example a 5               of the department.
        year old still learns through play
        indoor and outdoor but our                 Ek begraag met hierdie paar
        schools in North West give them            worde begin vir oggend, ek
        formal education due to lack of            begraag vir hoor met die LUR
        resources. I have never come               Afrikaner difineer in hier Suid
        across even a single primary               Afrika as Afrikaner beskou.

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        With the budget of R6.99 billion            ifications to better their skills for
        that is 34.6% and that is more              the future.
        than a fourth of the total budget
        for the North West province.                Onrus op die universiteit, die
        The Department of Education                 sporadiese onrus op die kam-
        had the opportunity to perform              pusse van die Noordwes
        and get anything in place for the           Provinsie is 'n groot rede tot
        2008/09 budget year. The DA                 kommer veral as saak beskadig-
        believes that the education                 ing plaasvind deur die studente.
        department will never again slip            Die gevoel wat gewek word is
        up with the budgeting of service            dat daar nie op 'n behoorlike
        delivering objectives and money             wyse gekommunikeer word
        needed to make positive                     tussen die universiteitsowerhed-
        progress in education depart-               ed en die studente nie.
        ment. The previous year under               Noordwes kan nie sodanige
        budgeting of nearly R1 billion              gebeure laat plaasvind op ons
        was a disaster for the depart-              kampusse nie. Dit strem die ver-
        ment and nothing positive for               loop van klasse en dosente kom
        the Legislature of the North                nie deur hulle syllabuses nie.
        West province. The Legislature
        cannot afford that such mistakes            No fee schools are already
        happen in the department where              being implemented in all quintile
        the future of children are at               1 schools in the province and
        stake. There are only 6% of the             are funded by the department.
        North West province population              One of the goals for the 2008/09
        aged 20 and above who has                   year is to fund all quintile 2
        higher qualification than grade             schools and give them support
        12. How can economy of the                  also. Many of the quintile 1 &2
        province be established and                 schools are falling apart and it is
        grow if education qualifications            important that the department
        are such a low percentage.                  start with a huge renovation pro-
                                                    gramme all over the province to
        The Department of Education                 better this year in the disadvan-
        has an enormous task on their               taged schools. The Premier
        shoulders to see to it that more            promised in her state of
        students go to university and               province address on the 15th of
        other institutions for further qual-        February 2008 that all 300 divi-

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        sional grade R classes which              the necessary training to the
        will be added to 50 pilot classes         schools and both and better the
        in each school will have basic            morale of the teachers. The DA
        resources, equipment and learn-           have the problem with coun-
        ing and teaching support materi-          cilors and that is the very urgent
        als.                                      issue, the problem of councilors
                                                  who visits schools in the south-
        The subsidy budget allocated for          ern region and I've got the docu-
        all four regions to subsidize the         ment in hands it is on my table,
        grade R classes must be used              Matlosane get information from
        to the benefit of the schools and         headmasters regarding head-
        the children in these classes.            hunting of teachers, that is not
        There are a few organizational            the duty of councilors but the
        challenges in the department.             Department of Education. This
        With an average vacancy rate of           matter must get urgent attention
        30% in the department, prob-              from the MEC as well as the
        lems will pitch up. Crucial finan-        HOD of the department. There
        cial posts are unfilled, therefore        is no way that confidential infor-
        effecting proper and smooth               mation of teachers can give to
        procurement procedures which              any councilor of any political
        will not take place and follow            party.
        and that will effects service
        delivery such as no salary pay-           To establish mega schools in
        ments to teachers, late pay-              the province, after consultation
        ments, wrong appointments of              with stakeholders can help the
        staff and educators. School               department to safe a lot of
        management is an issue to be              money. However, the possibility
        driven in urgent way.                     is there to create new problem
                                                  such as longer distances for
        The moment you have well                  learners to schools, transport
        trained management teams in               are problems, no school activi-
        all schools will minimize the             ties in the afternoon, and no
        problems in education by more             interaction between parents to
        than a half. It is important that         both loyalty to new school.
        the department prioritize the             Student transport remains a big
        uplifting of management in all            problem for the Department of
        schools by task team who gives            Transport, Roads & Safety. The

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        allocation of transport in certain          challenges of the communities
        arrears after the survey was                and must also to be used suc-
        done shows that there is enor-              cessfully in the department. The
        mous increase in the number of              R40 million allocated for the
        children who want to make use               extension of ABET will help and
        of transport.                               uplift the performance of the
                                                    system. With hungry children in
        The conclusion is that there are            schools, no education can take
        still hundreds of children who do           place. The importance of school
        not attend schools because of               nutrition programme can never
        the lack of transport. The                  be under estimated, although
        Minister of Education Naledi                the programme create job for
        Pandor wants the schools to                 about 1 154 unemployed
        have a national pledge pro-                 women the purpose remains to
        nounce on a daily or weekly                 keep the children who do not
        basis by children of all schools            have food at home and to better
        in South Africa. The DA will                the life for the youth.
        support the idea but government
        must be very sensitive to all cul-          The department must also moti-
        tural groups in the country. If             vate all the schools in the
        the pledge is incorporated by all           province to establish good gar-
        schools with a positive attitude            dens to help produce their own
        to build a new nation and a bet-            food. To comprise a schools or
        ter future for our children, it will        schools on any an easy task to
        work. If the pledges are there to           fulfill by the department, howev-
        keep reminding people of back               er the challenge is to have spe-
        past, it will be of no use.                 cial rooms for computers and to
                                                    have qualified teachers to han-
        The need in the province is                 dle computers with the learners.
        growing day by day to uplift the            In many schools which has
        literacy levels of people. There            already received computers, the
        are very high levels of illiteracy          problem is that these computers
        and that must be a priority for             have not been connected and is
        the department to reduce this               of no use to the learners.
        illiteracy by creating employ-
        ment and increase productivity.             Agbare Ajunk Speaker, my
        The ABET system must face the               besoek aan skole is gevind dat

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        baie van die rekenaars in kluise           LUR en sy Departement wat in
        toegesluit is, en nog nooit                die verlede 'n minder bekende
        gebruik is nie. Die rede daar-             sportsoort soos byvoorbeeld rol-
        voor is hoofde is te bang om               bal en sekere soorte karate
        hierdie toerusting in gewone               finansiële bystand gegee het.
        klaskamers te sit omdat die                Hierdie finansiële ondersteuning
        klasklamers nie beveilig is nie.           aan hierdie soort sportsoorte
        Daar is nogsteeds baie skole               help oo kom agtergeblewe
        wat geen veiligheidsheinings om            sportsterre na vore te bring en
        hulle het nie en dit laat die deur         hulled da nook te laat presteer
        oop vir kriminele om vrye toe-             aan die einde van die dag.
        gang tot skole en leerders te
        verkry. Dit is ook hierdie                 The DA supports the budget of
        ongewenste elemente wat ver-               the Department of Education for
        dowingsmiddels, wapens by                  the coming year. I thank you.
        skole binne bring tot nadeel van           Ek dank u. Ke a leboga.
        die skole se leerders en ook ons
        gemeenskappe.                              HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
                                                   I'm now inviting Honourable
        Any government wants to see                MEC for Education moruti
        that the people of its country are         Tselapedi to respond for the
        well educated without the nec-             debate.
        essary equipments; library in
        schools or of the province, the            HON. MEC TSELAPEDI:
        government will never reach the            Mmusakgotla tla ke simolole ke
        target to educate all the citizens.        leboge motlotlegi mme Matladi
        The importance of libraries is             ke ntse ke mo reeditse. Ke
        reading material in the language           tsaya gore dipolotiki tse tsa
        of the community. The chal-                motlhakanelwa di re ruta rotlhe
        lenge the department has to see            sengwe. Ke utlwile mo
        that at least all the schools in           ngangisanong e a e tshwereng
        the province have a library with           le rona ele dintlha tse di senang
        enough literature to improve the           bana ba phefo, re di leboga di le
        demand of schools in our com-              ka tsela eo. Ke tsaya fela gore
        munities.                                  nka bua selo se le nosi gore mo
                                                   ntlheng ya madi re simolotse go
        Groot dank aan die hulp van die            banta mala a rona go boloka

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        madi mme dikopano ga di tlhole             and there is not even one that
        dile teng ka go nne re leka go             we disagree. They are only cat-
        boloka madi. Motlotlegi                    egorized in two sections.
        Modiselle ga a na magic wa go              1. Most of them need money.
        tlisa madi a mantsi ka fa tlase            Whatever you want us to do in
        ga boeteledipele jwa                       terms of development and infra-
        moPremier.                                 structure will need money and
                                                   therefore it continues as an
        Re tshwanetse re dirise se se              effort in terms of what we get
        leng teng. Ga ke itse gore ke ka           from the fiscus and the prudent
        go sa rate ga mongwe. Beng                 use of the budget and wise allo-
        ba me ba ke dirang le bona botl-           cation. That is why we have in
        he ba eletsa o ka re Lefapha la            our presence we have tried to
        Thuto le ka bo le na le madi a             strengthen through the help of
        otlhe a le a tlhokang. Bangwe              Department of Finance. The
        ba bankane ba me ba re dirang              finance unit in the department.
        mmogo le go tsumula mo go                  Ntate Botha is here also and
        bone jaaka bo mme Mangqo ba                mme Dintswe as the new addi-
        a tsumula gore tshele le lefapha.          tions in the department at very
        Re rata go leboga bothata ke               senior levels to strengthen that
        gore bogobe jo ga bo bontsi                department.
        jaaka rene re ka bo batla.
                                                   I don't think clerks and others
        Deputy Speaker I do not think              would add value. I believe that
        that I should go to every ques-            people hired here at this level
        tion here because indeed they              will have to add value and they
        are many. I think basically this           know that is only value that we
        fall into categories, the chairper-        want them to add. We are con-
        son ntate Bacos Mahlangu                   fident that this unit will flourish
        indeed a pillar of strength I think        under the leadership of ntate
        all the things in terms of recom-          Botha. There are issue that has
        mendations that he has outlined            been explained here of PPM
        I will agree with them that they           which seems to be worrying
        should be done. Basically we               mme Mokomela in particular is
        agree with them. I think all of            that there is a two side on this
        the Members have said all these            coin, I agree that the present
        things that needs to be done               model called the PPM is very

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        difficult, I agree we have tried          were given this top of task twice.
        but at the moment I must be               The first it was before I was
        very clear even nationally we             there I heard when they were
        have not found the best model             given this task is that actually it
        the one that we came up with              was for the second time. This
        we have piloted it, it is here in         technical people have got all
        the province and the report was           reasons today politicians some-
        that it is even worse.                    times they don't make sense but
                                                  they think that they make sense
        I do not want to really expose            to themselves. The issue is
        my managers into serious situa-           many at time when they have
        tions here but the issue goes to          done that to overrule them after
        time tabling also. The issues             the DPC have done something
        goes to when you've got more              becomes very difficult and
        learners, you've got more notch,          unpalatable process.
        you got more teachers than they
        get periods to 30 or 35 minutes           It was not really well done in
        also. There are two sides to              some senses but it did give us a
        this coin, the responsibility by          good eye view. What we are
        the department to get a better            going to do this year is literary
        model and the responsibilities of         to wake up the ghost if are
        the site managers to be truthful          there, we are going to do it very
        and to do correct time tabling if         thorough and we are working
        you get a time table of 30 or 35          with Department of Finance
        you are going to have a chance            closely on this one to do it with
        of time that is unused, therefore         the Department of Education the
        we need more teachers. If we              way we did it but it was done by
        go to 35 or 50 minutes, you will          officials, we have taken over
        find that we've got very little           and I believe that it will be done
        time left and we don't need that          very much correctly. Lastly,
        many teachers as it has been              chairperson the other grouping
        said.                                     of these questions can go to dis-
                                                  cipline. When we speak about
        The issue of head count, this             school safety, we speak about
        was done together with the                drugs in schools, when we
        Department of Finance here is             speak about teachers who ill
        to WCD did this and indeed they           disciplined and other things.

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        I don't want to go into the issue          er on this matter. The last one
        of transport because I think               on discipline I believe that the
        ntate Vilakazi is very much able           situation in this country
        to deal with this matter and               demands that morale degenera-
        indeed this morning I'm happy to           tion should be pursuit with
        say that it seems the document             revolving vigour and vitality. I
        now is out, it has been given to           believe that the Honourable
        us to look at but I believe that           Premier the government is really
        he is ready to deal with this mat-         pursuing this route to try to
        ter. I admit it has taken a long           revive the issue of morals,
        while for this document to be fin-         nowadays is actually mouth
        ished that we can together look            bubbling. We are in a situation
        at this problem but you know               where people go and beat other
        that it is handled in that depart-         people and break doors and
        ment. Sometimes Members of                 pour water to other learners
        this House makes me dizzy with             when they are arrested, they
        their questions because some-              say speak to the police we must
        times they say get out of the              not be arrested. Just see to it
        issue building schools concen-             that we don't get arrested.
        trate on education, when you
        got out of the matters of trans-           We are in South Africa where
        port to concentrate on educa-              everybody believes that they
        tion, they say but this is your            can do everything even it is
        responsibility.                            wrong and illegal and they must
                                                   be left free. I say the situation
        I don't know whether it is my              facing education where teachers
        responsibility? There is a                 are molesting children and after
        debate in other provinces actu-            that they get a very good disci-
        ally the nation should have that           plinary case, they get some
        maybe education should have                lenient sentences, they say
        its policy on this matter of trans-        move to Odendaal and then we
        port, it should be handled by              will take your level down you will
        education. But this House                  be PL2 from 3 so go there.
        knows what happens here and                They appeal saying no actually
        you know that it is in transport           even this last sentence is not
        and I have confidence in ntate             correct, in terms of procedure
        Vilakazi that we will work togeth-         and substance it is unfair it must

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        sit and teach in this school and          Programme 6 : Adult Basic
        continue to do what I have been           Education and Training
        doing, I have done nothing                R110.170 [Agreed]
        wrong even though I raped the             Programme 7 : Early Childhood
        child, I have done nothing                Development R164.165
        wrong. When we dismiss them               [Agreed]
        they say you can't do this thing          Programme 8 : Auxiliary and
        now. Teachers who try to help             Associated Services R56.125
        children who are molested at              [Agreed]
        home fear for their lives.                This brings us to a total budget
                                                  of R6 995.482 billion do we
        The issue of discipline here is           adopt the budget? [Agreed].
        that you find a bad school. I will        Now moruti Tselapedi you can
        show you a bad principal. You             go and spend money.
        find a good school; I will show           Honourable Members Budget
        you a good principal. Thank               Vote 8 has now been adopted. I
        you Deputy Speaker.                       have now an honour to invite
                                                  Honourable MEC Duma
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        Ndleleni to present the Budget
        Honourable Members I would                Vote 4 for the Department of
        want us to run through this               Sport, Arts & Culture.
        budget programme by pro-
        gramme quickly.                           HON. MEC DUMA:
        Programme 1 : Administration              Deputy Speaker, Honourable
        R512.537 [Agreed]                         Premier of the North West
        Programme 2 : Public Ordinary             Province, Members of the
        School Education      R5                  Provincial Legislature, leaders of
        854.226 [Agreed]                          political parties, Executive may-
        Programme 3 : Independence                ors, mayors, speakers and
        Schools and Home Education                councilors, magosi a rona, com-
        R7.350 [Agreed]                           missioners, HODs and other
        Programme 4 : Public Special              officials of government, chair-
        School Education      R137.708            persons and representatives of
        [Agreed]                                  public entities, business commu-
        Programme 5 : Further                     nities, sports ambassadors,
        Education and Training Colleges           artists, cultural activists and
        R153.201 [Agreed]                         expects, comrades, distin-

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        guished guests, ladies and gen-           wisdom left behind by those
        tlemen.                                   who came before us which sim-
                                                  ply translated means: "A child is
        Honourable Members of the                 brought up by the community".
        Legislature we are ascending
        this podium to present the                Having said this Deputy
        2008/09 financial year in line            Speaker, the strategies above
        with our 5 year strategic plan.           seek to afford the African child
        We do so bearing in mind the              to grow in conditions of prosper-
        challenges and achievements of            ity, unity and democracy. These
        our young democracy central to            should be values that transcend
        our policy speech yet again, is           all continents of the world so
        the African child to whom we              that each child must enjoy world
        have referred to in our previous          peace and security, sustainable
        budget speech. The African                grown and development of all
        child is watching with keen inter-        countries and where all nations
        est as we all involved and                are treated as equal. This child
        engaged in strategies to imple-           should be protected from tasting
        ment and address much inter-              xenophobia, tribalism and
        esting programmes, crime pre-             racism.
        vention, economic transforma-
        tion, social cohesion, nation             It should be regarded as being a
        building, good governance, pub-           crime against the principle of
        lic sector infrastructure pro-            participatory democracy if com-
        gramme, poverty eradication,              munities are forced to become
        job creation and development of           spectators in their own develop-
        a global partnerships for devel-          ment and empowerment. In
        opment.                                   1955, our predecessors and
                                                  struggle ancestors proclaimed in
        Our Department of Sport, Arts &           a loud and clear voice that "The
        Culture programme seeks to                people shall govern". We are
        have this child as a major bene-          sure that we are following in the
        ficiary of these strategies               right footsteps of those whose
        referred above. The future                vision lives with us today. The
        belongs to the child. Bagaetsho           reality of that vision is that peo-
        kana motsogapele o rile ngwana            ple must participate in the daily
        sejo o a tlhakanelwa. This is a           grind of their lives. They must

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        take charge of the decisions that           ment that should guide our serv-
        determine their destiny.                    ice delivery and monitoring and
                                                    evaluation tools of that delivery,
        We reiterate our policy position            while our district personnel
        to the service delivery model of            receive training that relates to
        ensuring that our department is             facilitation and implementation
        visible to communities, where               of programmes.
        departmental officials are placed
        within communities for commu-               It is for this purpose that the
        nity development and empower-               department put systems of good
        ment. This devolution of func-              governance in place so that our
        tions to district and service               officials within the department
        points, allows for the distribution         are empowered to carry the
        of human resources, infrastruc-             mandate of the department for-
        ture in the form of offices and             ward. The more the departmen-
        authorizing environment for swift           tal officials have relevant knowl-
        decision making. Our people in              edge, the better their vision will
        the villages, townships, farms              be to deliver expected services.
        and towns will walk or travel               We owe this to ourselves and
        less hours to get our services.             the people of this province.
                                                    Deputy Speaker, the devolution
        Traditional leadership structures           of powers and operational
        and local municipalities will               reconfiguration complies with
        always play a key role as our               the PFMA and other policy pre-
        partners for development. This              scripts. Further thereto, as per
        is in addition to all of our stake-         consensus during the depart-
        holders and clients in sectors of           mental strategic retreat held on
        sport, art & culture. Deputy                14 -17 August 2007, we have:
        Speaker, we are developing a                - realigned the mission and
        workforce that is knowledge-                vision of the department
        able, accessible and client ori-            - Introduced the departmental
        ented. We are conscious of the              brand promise which is "We
        fact that a lot of training is need-        share your passion for art and
        ed in order to maximize these               play".
        qualities. Out head office staff            - Consolidated our values
        continues to receive training that          - Revisited and amended our
        is relevant for policy develop-             strategic goals and objectives

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        - Prioritized key deliverables in           - Development and promotion
        line with policy speeches                   of creative industries, perform-
        - Implemented the decentral-                ing arts and sports activities for
        ization and devolution of respon-           economic growth.
        sibilities to the 4 districts and 21        - Development and promotion
        municipalities and 99 ward clus-            of competitive sport through
        ters in the province                        high performance programme
        - Incorporated key                          - Promotion and enhancement
        projects/activities that were not           of healthy lifestyles
        assigned to the department after            - Promotion of social cohesion
        the strategic plan.                         using sport, art and culture as
                                                    platform
        Needless to say Deputy                      - Declaring war against illitera-
        Speaker, our revamped strategic             cy
        plan further informed operations            - Promotion of community art
        within the department. In so                centres
        doing our operational plans                 - Integration of national crime
        focuses for the MTEF period in              prevention strategy in depart-
        the following:                              mental programmes
        - The implementation of the                 - Promotion of recreation reha-
        performance management and                  bilitation programmes in provin-
        development system                          cial correctional centres
        - The implementation of the                 - Identification and election of
        supply chain management                     strategic partners/funders in
        which optimizes the upliftment of           support of departmental pro-
        the PDIs as expressed in the                grammes
        Preferential Procurement Policy             - Support and promote of
        Framework Act                               exchange programmes in sup-
        - Implementation and strength-              port of the department's strate-
        ening of the district model                 gic objectives
        - Provision of administrative,              - Ensuring support and trans-
        financial and technical support             formation of all state institutions
        to district and service point man-          - Ensuring alignment and
        agement                                     implementation of priorities as
        - Implementation of Public                  identified in policy speeches
        Finance Management Act and
        related regulations                         Honourable Deputy Speaker, we

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        hold an view that these specific           (two) 2 universities. Mmabana
        deliverables are in line with all          shall in turn link with community
        that we stand for. We believe              art centres. We hope to expand
        that these capture the essence             on the community art centres
        of our strategic plan and shall            that exist currently. These com-
        further assist in the evaluation of        munity art centres must be small
        our performance and the per-               Mmabana in villages and in rural
        formance of the officials of our           areas and they are going to be
        department. We are currently               located in the 99 clusters that
        negotiation a partnership                  we are operating our pro-
        between the University of the              grammes in as a department.
        North West, the University of Art
        and Design in Helsinki and                 Honourable Deputy Speaker,
        Mmabana Arts, Culture, Sport               this partnership must help us to
        Foundation. These institutions             improve and move with speed in
        should work together in art and            empowering our arts and culture
        culture programmes or curricu-             and artists. This model must
        lum that will focus on the devel-          create levels of excellence in
        opment of key priorities or gen-           which students, learners and
        res that must be addressed, and            artists develop full potential that
        those are:                                 must be equal to any in the
        - Craft development centre                 world. We will identify other
        - Film and video production                partners that will benefit the arts
        - Performing art and                       and culture fraternity in the
        - Fashion design                           province. The SABC North
                                                   West region, national film and
        This is how this partnership is            video foundation are such part-
        going to work. The two (2) uni-            ners that must be drawn into the
        versities; the North West                  fold.
        University and the University of
        Helsinki will design art and cul-          Meeting the challenges of infra-
        ture programmes in close col-              structure development in the
        laboration with the Mmabana                arts and culture sector, in meet-
        Foundation. Mmabana will                   ing the objectives of the pro-
        expand and improve its current             grammes identified we need to
        programmes so as to realign                expand and develop infrastruc-
        with the programmes of the                 ture particularly in townships

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        and villages where such infra-            transcend tribal and racial barri-
        structure does not exist. We              ers. However, performing artists
        have identified 3 specific areas          also need tools that must assist
        of infrastructure development             them to ensure that they imple-
        and expansion for the arts and            ment the programmes in an
        culture sectors. These arrears            easy way that is empowering.
        are:                                      Our district and service point
        - Establishment of a Mmabana              model agitates for active partici-
        centre in Dr. Kenneth Kauda               pation by communities through
        district                                  the formation of local cluster dis-
        - Upgrading and maintenance               trict and provincial structures.
        of the existing Mmabana struc-
        tures and equipments thereof              In the performing art areas we
        - Building of Community Arts              are also going to focus on the
        Centres in the 21 municipalities          areas of drama, music, dance,
        as mini-Mmabanas. The long                poetry and story telling. All of
        term view is to create a commu-           these forms of performing art we
        nity art centre in each of the 99         will identify talent, performing of
        ward clusters.                            activities, supports for formation
        - That infrastructure must con-           of groups or companies, support
        tinue to provide theatres in com-         for various performing art plat-
        munity art centres and                    forms and ensure that perform-
        Mmabana centres.                          ing artist are well supported to
        - Provision of galleries for visu-        be place in a position where
        al arts and other exhibitions             they can compete with the rest
        within the community arts cen-            of the world. The visual art sec-
        tres.                                     tor will be one of the key priority
                                                  sectors that will pay attention for
        On performing art: Performing             the next 5 years. We have
        art is the most popular form of           identified painting and photogra-
        recreation and entertainment in           phy as our key programme in
        all communities, which can also           this sector. The Mmabana cen-
        be used as a tool for nation              tres and community art centres
        building, mass participation and          will be used in the facilitation of
        social cohesion. Artists must be          the programmes.
        assisted in ensuring that their
        performances in performing art            In the craft sector, we want to

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        build a craft centre in the North          sustainable entity. The Heritage
        West province that will be com-            and museums, the heritage ind-
        petitive in both local and interna-        aba that we promised in our last
        tional markets. We are finalizing          budget speech was held on the
        the establishment of the North             13th and 14th of March 2008 at
        West Craft and Design Institute            the Mmabana Convention
        as promised in our last budget             Centre. Outcomes of that inda-
        speech. We will work closely               ba addressed the following:
        with other stakeholders such as            - to ensure that all inclusive
        Invest North West, SEDA                    participation of stakeholders in
        Platinum Incubators, North West            the heritage development and
        University and other government            transformation of the sector is
        departments such as Economic               undertaken
        Development and Tourism and                - Identification of key heritage
        the National Department of Art,            issues in the province
        Culture, Trade and Industry.               - Definition of heritage policy
                                                   guidelines
        The infrastructure we are target-          - Recommendation of sound
        ing in this province is support for        heritage strategies to ensure
        these crafters. We are targeting           efficient and effective manage-
        to build four (4) craft hubs in the        ment of heritage resources in
        province; one in each of the dis-          the province
        tricts. These hubs must be cen-
        tres for product development               We are in the process of finaliz-
        and promotion and to ensure                ing a heritage and museum
        that these products find markets           management plan. Such a plan
        in the province, country and               shall be closely tied to the her-
        internationally. Mmabana cen-              itage routes fo our province
        tres, community arts centres               namely N14 Bakwena Platinum
        and other identified spaces will           route in Bojanala district, N12
        provide accommodation for the              Treasure route in the Dr.
        crafters.                                  Kenneth Kauda district and the
                                                   Western Frontier route in the Dr
        The fashion design sector, our             Ruth Mompati district. The plan
        department will continue to sup-           will also address a comprehen-
        port the North West Fashion                sive strategy for name change
        Design Week to be build into a             for purposes of restoration and

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        removal of offensive names. As            ble in the department, we are
        part of this comprehensive her-           also pleased to announce that
        itage and museum management               we have appointed governance
        plan, we shall continue to                bodies for institutions that are
        engage other partners in our              put under our department.
        cost to develop our heritage              These bodies are the Provincial
        sites with a keen eye on said             Art and Culture Council,
        growth and in the development             (PACC), the Provincial
        of local and district economies.          Geographical Names Committee
                                                  (PGNC), Provincial Heritage
        Addressing issues of heritage             Resources Authority (PHRA)
        infrastructure Deputy Speaker,            and Mmabana Foundation itself.
        we will attend to further develop-        We share the same values of
        ment of heritage sites in the             good governance in these insti-
        province, development of muse-            tutions.
        ums, development of cultural vil-
        lages and crafts outlets. We are          Issues of language services
        pleased to announce to this               Deputy Speaker. We will embark
        august House that the process             on a vigorous campaign to pro-
        of appointing and placing the             mote African languages. Our
        board of Mmabana has been                 key aim is to:
        successfully completed. We                - Increase number of African
        have further appointed both the           writers
        CFO Mr Allan Losaba and CFO               - Increase availability of litera-
        Mr Frans Thupaemang. These                ture in African languages
        appointments bring us to a firm           - Increase number of reader-
        believe that Mmabana has been             ship in African languages
        placed to be a machinery that is          - See improved access to
        well oiled to achieve all the             learning and knowledge through
        objectives for which it was creat-        usage of African literature
        ed. This institution will play a          - Participation in mass cam-
        pivotal role in the development           paigns to fight illiteracy.
        of our young people with pas-
        sion in sport, art and culture in         We have established 21 Writers
        the province.                             Associations one in each munic-
                                                  ipality and also ensured the for-
        Other statutory bodies responsi-          mation of the provincial writer's

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        association. The Writers                   dren of a larger universe. Austin
        Association has identified the             says: "You are here for a pur-
        establishment of publishing                pose. There is no duplicate of
        house as a key empowering                  you in the whole of the wide
        tool. We are therefore forced to           world. There never has been,
        look into the possibility of estab-        there never will be. You were
        lishing a publishing house                 brought here now to fulfill a cer-
        through a Public Private                   tain need. Take time to think
        Partnership (PPP) arrangement.             that over."

        In 2009 and that budget is in              Honourable Speaker, this august
        page 31, 32 and 33 and I want              House must have noticed that
        to put it before this House for            the child is central to all our poli-
        adoption. Honourable DDG and               cy speeches. That child whom
        other officials of our department,         we spoke of at the beginning is
        Honourable Premier in absentia,            here for a purpose. The child
        Members of EXCO, committees                has sporting and or arts related
        of the department and the                  talent that should be nurtured,
        Provincial Legislature that we             talent whose purpose is to
        account to, stakeholders of our            empower the child, the child's
        department. Thank you for your             family and the community where
        support and ensuring that we as            the child comes from. The pur-
        a department function and we               pose is not to indulge and dwell
        function effectively.                      in self-destructive and negative
                                                   activities. Conditions of that tal-
        In conclusion, we wish to borrow           ent to grow depend on how this
        from the wisdom of Lou Austin              department/government and the
        whose observation about the                people of this province/country,
        meaning and important of pur-              partners and community at large
        pose is very instructive and rele-         cooperate in facilitating systems
        vant to us as individuals, as col-         for the growth and development
        leagues working in a team of the           of that child.
        Provincial Department of Sport,
        Arts, & Culture, as a province of          It is the purpose of this depart-
        the Republic of South Africa, as           ment to put systems of good
        a country that belongs to the              governance in place so that offi-
        continent of Africa and as chil-           cials within the department are

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        empowered to carry the man-               On the 15th May 2008 the
        date of this department forward.          Department of Sport, Arts and
        Ke lebogile, ke lebogela dinao            Culture briefed the Portfolio
        tsa baeng botlhe ba ba tlileng            Committee on Sport, Arts and
        kwano gompieno go re reetsa.              Culture about its strategic plan
        Ke lebogile thata. Ngiyabonga.            for the current financial year
        Enkosi. Baie dankie.                      2008/09. I must indicate that the
                                                  committee was very pleased
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        about the presentation of the
        Members of Executive Council              department and how the envis-
        who have presented their budg-            age doing their work for this
        ets, if we were to allocate or to         financial year. As a committee
        put them in an order of                   we engage with a department
        sequence in terms of time man-            on certain issues that we want-
        agement, Honourable will be               ed some resolve and I think as
        number one. He is the first               the committee we are very
        Member of Executive to present            happy for the responses we got
        a speech in less than 40 min-             from the department. The
        utes. We are proceeding I now             issues that we engage with the
        have a pleasure of inviting chair-        department were on the man-
        person for the portfolio commit-          agement and Administration,
        tee on sport, art and culture             Arts and Culture, Library and
        Honourable Mahlangu to pres-              Archives Services, and Sports
        ent a report on behalf of the             and Recreation.
        committee.
                                                  Furthermore the Committee was
        HON. MAHLANGU:                            briefed on the Mmabana Arts,
        Thank you Honourable Deputy               Cultural and Sports Foundation
        Speaker, I formally present the           performance plan for the year
        report of the committee which is          2008/09 as a pubic entity of the
        already circulated in the House           Department of Sports. The con-
        for consideration by your House.          cern that we raised as the com-
        I want to take this opportunity to        mittee for the attention of the
        put before your House the con-            department with the MEC is
        cerns and recommendations of              already addressed. One of the
        the committee.                            issues that we raised was the
                                                  AGs report. Two issues of the

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        committee that we are raising             supply chain management and
        from this report one was that the         training system.
        department did not perform a              - 2010 FIFA World Cup we
        risk assessment during the                also raided the legacy projects,
        2006/07 financial year. The risk          budgets and the time frames for
        management was not developed              the department of look at as this
        and did not address the risk              2010 World Cup is not an issue
        identified. A fraud prevention            for the Department of Sport, Arts
        plan was developed but not                & Culture but for all departments
        implemented.                              in the province. We indicated
                                                  that we think the department of
        On human resource, the depart-            sport should be making sure
        ment did not have an approved             that all these matters are
        human resource plan. More                 addressed for the 2010.
        effective system of monitoring            - On the issues of libraries the
        and managing staff trends for             promotion of mother tongue
        example productivity and sick             books in libraries. The installa-
        leave trends were not imple-              tion of computer with internet
        mented. The finale approved               access in libraries. The accessi-
        human resource structure was              bility of people with disabilities in
        not implemented by the depart-            libraries (sign language, books
        ment. Nonetheless, we also                and hearing devises).
        want to congratulate the depart-          - The effectiveness of the
        ment for receiving an unqualified         Siyadlala Mass participation pro-
        audit report. The issues we               gramme the committee indicat-
        raised with the department were           ed that it is time that we must
        as follows:                               see result from this programme.
                                                  We have seen plans good ones
        - The retaining of trained and            on this programme it is now time
        experienced employees in the              that we must see results coming
        department. The unfilled vacant           out of this programme.
        posts.                                    - Lack of sports and recreation
        - The non -signing of perform-            in the province that the
        ance management plan, the                 Department of Sport, Arts &
        development and implementa-               Culture, Education and munici-
        tion of the Equity Plan.                  palities should look at this mat-
        - Lack of implementation of the           ter because it is a serious con-

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        cern for the committee that               - Deliberations of these mat-
        municipalities seem to be not             ters the committee decided that
        taking this matter very seriously.        we should then look at the rec-
        PAUSED: 2008/08/06                        ommendations that the depart-
                                                  ment should be addressing. We
        - The issue of Mmabana Arts,              also recognized that the depart-
        Cultural Foundation the issue             ment is one of the lowest funded
        that was raised which is long             in the province even this finan-
        outstanding, the land on which            cial year I think the budget for
        Mmabana Culture and Sports                this department has been
        Foundation building are situated          reduced. We are saying that
        are still not registered. This            the department should look at
        matter I'm not sure when is it            other sources of funds from
        going to be resolved, but as the          other companies which are mak-
        committee we hope the depart-             ing business in the province to
        ment will still have to meet and          attain envisage programmes
        resolve this particular matter.           which they must not be able to
        - The slow progress in the                address in the province because
        establishment of mini-                    of the financial constraints from
        Mmabana's in different areas.             the provincial government.
        We are happy that the decen-              - The Department to develop
        tralization of the department to          and implement the
        regions and municipalities is tak-        Communication policy.
        ing place but we are registering          - The Department to imple-
        a slow progress in the establish-         ment the signing of performance
        ment of mini-Mmabanas in dif-             management plan by all employ-
        ferent municipalities in the              ees.
        province.                                 - Better coordination between
        - Role clarification between              Mmabana Arts, Culture and
        Mmabana Arts, Cultural                    Sport Foundation and the North
        Foundation and North West                 West Arts Culture Council.
        Provincial Arts Culture Council           - The issue of the mass partici-
        should be addressed also where            pation programme that it should
        possible proper and serious               be measure of how much peo-
        coordination between these                ple are coming out of that pro-
        structures should take place.             gramme who are successful in
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        engaged in.                               rapeletsweng mo setheong se,
        - The coordination between                ba ba isitseng porofense ya
        the Department of Sport, com-             Bokone Bophirima kwa setlho-
        munities and the Department of            eng se se kwa godimo go fitlha
        Education when dealing with               le gompieno. Ke tlatsa motlotle-
        sports. We just heard this                gi Mokhuduthamaga fa a re go
        morning that around R10 million           tshwanelwa gore moono le
        has been budgeted for sport in            maitlhomo a setheo sa
        the department of Education,              Mmabana ka nako e se neng se
        how we bring these resources              dirwa a latedisiwe mme a dira-
        together to promote sport in our          gadiwe gore re bone dikuno le
        communities.                              tse di fetang tse re nang le
                                                  tsona.
        As the committee we are satis-            Honourable Deputy Speaker, the
        fied with the presentation by the         Sport, Arts & Culture budget has
        department, we therefore want             increased from R320.2 million in
        to move that this House accept            2007/08 to R327.1 million in
        this budget. I thank you                  2008/09. During the previous
        Honourable Deputy Speaker.                financial year however, this
                                                  department has received a qual-
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        ified audit opinion and chairper-
        I now have a pleasure of calling          son has already outlined for
        Honourable Matladi.                       what reasons the Auditor
                                                  General was not happy about
        HON. MATLADI:                             the management of finances in
        Motlotlegi Motlatsa-                      the department. Also the very
        Mmusakgotla, ke setse ke                  same annual report, there are
        dumedisitse. Ntetle e re fa ke            two sections that I would like to
        simolola go tsena mo                      outline, the section namely
        dipuisanong tsa tekanyetsokabo            Klein-Marico recreation centre
        eno ke akgole Motlotlegi Kgosi            which received a disclaimer
        Mangope le ba a dirileng le               audit opinion as well as
        bona mo nakong e e fetileng               Donkervlei rereaction and
        gore ngwana a bitswa Mmabana              adventure centre also a dis-
        a ba a kile a tsalwa o a re fileng        claimer and these are indica-
        tse dintsi tse re di itseng. Ke sa        tions that the financial manage-
        batle go balakolla ba ba                  ment system in the department

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        is not yet up to scratch.                   communities any fruit.

        In Programme 1, Management                  Sporting codes are still segre-
        and Administration, the following           gating our rural and urban com-
        challenges have been highlight-             munities in the province where
        ed: The first one insufficient              some codes are said to be for
        skilled personnel, insufficient             urban because of the resources
        office space, insufficient mainte-          in urban areas. And those
        nance of buildings and we                   codes that are less expensive
        would like to get clarification on          that do not need complexities
        the departmental plan to fill in its        are referred to the rural areas.
        vacant positions in this current            Learners in both rural and urban
        financial year. We also have the            schools including the farm
        issue of books in libraries that            schools also have access to
        have to be updated because the              sporting facilities alike. We
        report is very old books are in             have looked into strategic plan,
        libraries and they do not help              the annual report and we would
        the readers even those who go               like to say so far the report that
        for reference into our libraries.           Honourable MEC has presented
                                                    regarding the 2010 FIFA Soccer
        There are computers in libraries            World Cup are not yet reverber-
        but the report is that the internet         ating, they are not yet giving us
        is not yet connected, so it                 the oomph to see that indeed
        becomes very difficult for read-            we would be hosting this world
        ers to network and to use the               cup. We want the following to
        internet although it is in exis-            be addressed together the MEC
        tence. Make libraries reader                with other MECs of different
        friendly to people with disabili-           departments conditions of our
        ties and we have already said               roads. When I debated trans-
        the sign language, hearing aids             port, roads and community safe-
        and many others have to be                  ty I referred to the issue that
        attended to in order to address             bojanala bo ngokwa ke ditsela
        this. If the above hiccups or               tse di siameng". I even referred
        challenges cannot be                        Honourable MEC then to areas
        addressed, we realize that the              of tourism that needed attention
        libraries would be white ele-               especially the road networks.
        phants they wouldn't bear our

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        Also as we are talking let us             board members has been
        look into other tourist attraction        placed in the positions to contin-
        sides that have to be looked into         ue with their work.
        by Honourable Duma Ndleleni in
        preparation for people who will           Also there was a problem of the
        be coming to the North West               finances that could have been
        province that we can gain eco-            paid into the accounts of the
        nomically and our people that             council yet they were running
        are poverty stricken can also             short of some amounts. The
        have something to gain from               example is instead of this coun-
        this endevour. Socio-economic             cil receiving R3.1 million only
        preparedness of the province is           R2.3 million was deposited into
        not yet well up to scratch and            their coffers. They were expect-
        there are barriers that we have           ing the R3.6 million into their
        been told would be existing on            account by the 1st of April of the
        who sell what where. These are            financial year 2006/07 and this
        the issues that we would like to          R3.6 million was meant for bur-
        be brought into the House to be           saries and assistance of learn-
        debated so that our people can            ers and according to the report
        prepare themselves.                       this they have never received.
                                                  The council received an adverse
        Motswana o rile "mosele wa                audit opinion and we would like
        pula o baakangwa go sale gale".           to find out if the department ever
        Re dikile re bone metlholo ya             visits this council to do its moni-
        pegelo ya an entity e e bitswang          toring. We however, as the
        North West Provincial Arts and            UCDP would like as well to add
        Culture Council e yona e neng e           our vote and say let it pass.
        e nale mathata a se kana ka               Thank you.
        sepe. Ke tla nopola mathata ale
        mararo a a tlhageletseng mo go            HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        yona. Ntlha ya ntlha ene ele              Our next speaker is Honourable
        board members ba ba                       Groenewald.
        tsamaileng ba resign mme go
        bonala gore ga go ise go thibiwe          HON. GROENEWALD:
        phatlha ya bona mme mo                    Thank you Honourable Deputy
        nakong e khutshwane re                    Speaker, Honourable Members
        itumelela pegelo ya gore other            of the Legislature and officials of

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        the department. With an                     facilities, better and more
        increase of about R7 million                equipped libraries it is high time
        from the 2007/08 budget year to             to address the problem of office
        the 2008/09 budget year I'm                 space in the province.
        afraid that the amount is too lit-
        tle for the department with such            Insufficient maintenance of
        a large responsibility to the com-          buildings, no organization or
        munity of the province. There               department can function well
        are a lot of challenges in the              and serve the community if the
        programme management and                    buildings can't be used to their
        administration insufficient skilled         full potential. Therefore, it is
        staff. This is not only the                 important to keep up the mainte-
        department in the Legislature               nance of the apartment building
        who are suffering from the lack             and that will also help to keep
        of skilled people, but is a gener-          the spirit of the staff high. The
        al problem in the Legislature of            maintenance of these building
        the North West Province.                    on a regular basis will safe a lot
                                                    of money in the long term. In
        The portfolio committee wants to            Programme 2 cultural affairs,
        know what the department is                 also have a lot of strategic goals
        doing to train their staff and after        to be reached. To keep commu-
        training to keep them in the                nities healthy, it is important to
        department. The department                  create, promote and develop
        must look into the salary scale             sustainable sport, art and cul-
        in the different categories and             ture activities of the pro-
        most important of all, it must be           grammes.
        able to compete with other
        departments in provinces in                 With the shortage of this kind of
        South Africa. Insufficient office           programmes in the communi-
        space, that is not acceptable               ties, the department has a big
        that any department needs to                task to fulfill. They must look for
        suffer because there is not                 new investments to give the
        enough space for their activities           support to the communities to
        to be managed well. With a                  develop into the province for the
        growing department and a grow-              better of all the citizens in the
        ing demand from all the regions             province. The biggest challenge
        in the province for both sport              in the department is to see that

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        they address the shortage of                Everyone of us is very excited
        sport, art and culture facilities to        and looking forward to the 2010
        meet communities' needs and of              World Cup Soccer in South
        course the maintenance of such              Africa. The Royal Bafokeng
        facilities. The limit sport school          Stadium is unscheduled and will
        grounds and general sport facili-           be completed by the end of
        ties keep the youth away from               2009. The DA wants to see all
        mass participation and the lot of           culture heritage opportunities
        other problems creates that is              presented by 2010 World Cup
        not good for the health and also            will benefit communities in the
        for our young people in our                 province and will also be sus-
        communities. The communities                tainable after 2010. We must
        demand more sport facilities and            have well informed communities
        service delivery without sport,             in the province, the moment
        art and culture entities that will          people had the facility of library
        enhance the participation in                with enough books and access
        sport arts and culture activities.          to internet, they have the oppor-
                                                    tunity to know what is going on
        Agbare Adjunk Speaker, dit kan              in the world.
        nie genoeg beklemtoon word
        hoe belangrike sport fasiliteite in         The committee wants to see
        ons gemeenskappe is nie. Sport              that more libraries are built and
        fasiliteite bring gemeenskappe              equipped with enough mother
        bymekaar waar gemeenskaplike                tongue language literacy to give
        belange bedryf kan word. Dit                more people the opportunity to
        bevorder 'n kultuur om op trots             expand their knowledge.
        te wees met spanne wat                      Honourable Speaker, there is a
        presteer en gedissiplineerd is.             serious lack of ICT infrastructure
        Die department het voorwaar 'n              in the rural areas of the
        enorme taak om in hierdie                   province. Many libraries are
        behoefte van die gemeenskap                 allocated with computers for
        te voorsien. In sportfasiliteite en         internet use, but it is not con-
        ook in die afrigting wat die reëls          nected. These kind of facilities
        ken in verskillende sportsoorte             are of no use for the communi-
        en wat dit dan ook aan die                  ties and it is just a white ele-
        einde van die dag kan toepas.               phant. The department must
                                                    see that the necessary Telkom

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        lines are installed for the use of         LUR in sy department wat 'n
        these technologies in the rural            minderbekende sportsoort soos
        areas.                                     byvoorbeeld rolbal en sekere
                                                   soorte karate finansiële bystand
        Programme 4 of the department,             gegee het. Hierdie finansiële
        sport and recreation includes              bystand aan hierdie soort sport-
        very important issues in the               soorte help ook om agterblewe
        community and lives of people.             sportsterre na vore te bring en
        Sport management functions,                hulle dan ook te laat presteer
        relevant bodies to stimulate               aan die einde van die dag.
        development of sport, recreation
        to provide financial assistance,           The DA will support the budget
        school sport to ensure that all            of the department for the com-
        learners have access to sport              ing year. I thank you. Baie
        facilities. Mass participation             dankie. Ke a leboga.
        programmes are aimed at inter-
        vening in the identification social        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        illness in the society. With the           Thank you Honourable
        budget in hand, it will take a lot         Groenewald. I now invite MEC
        of good management from the                Duma to respond to the debate.
        MEC and his department to put
        the money where it is needed               HON. MEC DUMA:
        the most. The importance of the            Thanks Deputy Speaker. Let me
        different sport, art and culture           start with challenges of skill, our
        associations is to see to it that          staff and retaining staff. We
        they implement the sport poli-             have, as a provincial govern-
        cies and all the other policies            ment, identified that as a chal-
        that the communities get the               lenge. Strategies have been put
        benefit that all programmes are            in place to address that because
        sustainable, that transformation           an audit was done to all govern-
        takes place, that FIFA                     ment departments particularly
        Confederation Cup in 2009 and              addressing senior management.
        2010 FIFA World Cup be a suc-              As a department we have also
        cess in the North West                     went and address skills chal-
        Province.                                  lenges to even the last employ-
                                                   ee of our department. We have
        Groot dank aan die hoof van die            identified all the gaps. We have

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        put a plan in addressing skills              On the issue of proper supply
        challenges in the department                 management chain, we as the
        ours in discussion with the DDG              department have looked at that
        not more than two weeks ago                  tool, we have identified its weak-
        on the implementation of that                nesses, we went into discussion
        plan we are ready to deal with               with senior management of the
        the challenges of skills shortage.           department we know what the
                                                     challenges are and we are
        The problem of retention, I think            equal to address those chal-
        it is a problem throughout the               lenges as a department it is not
        government because the private               something that we are not giving
        sector is the most attractive in             attention, we are paying full
        remuneration of individuals. We              attention to ensuring that we
        as government compete with the               comply.
        private sector and it is difficult to
        retain skill in the public sector.           On the promotion of mother
        It is more difficult to do so in             tongue I think our report here in
        smaller provinces because the                the budget speech has indicated
        budget is also small in compet-              what we are doing both in fight-
        ing with bigger provinces like               ing illiteracy but also in staffing.
        KZN, Western Cape and                        The community libraries the staff
        Gauteng in terms of remunera-                that must go there and training
        tion. We are doing our best as               that they must receive. Also the
        a provincial government to com-              buying of books have also been
        pete in remuneration of staff.               addressed in our budget speech
        Risk assessment and manage-                  that part of the conditional
        ment, the HOD has put that                   grants for libraries this year part
        strategy in place in October                 of it is going to go in the stock of
        2007, it exist it is being imple-            books and books that are used
        mented. The provincial finance               by communities in the province
        department has assessed the                  particularly the use of mother
        department on the existence of               tongue. The issue of the inter-
        that tool and they found that                net connection, we have dis-
        they are happy that we have                  cussed with the Department of
        implemented the risk assess-                 Finance, one of our officials
        ment and management tool.                    attended our senior manage-
                                                     ment meeting we discussed with

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        the challenges because they are           challenge. That is why we
        supposed to assist in the imple-          couldn't continue to put funds
        mentation of linking our comput-          where those funds were not
        ers and all infrastructure with           properly managed and con-
        the internet connection.                  trolled. We then transferred
                                                  those funds in the period
        There is a strategy in place              2006/07 to Mmabana
        developed between ourselves               Foundation and it was imple-
        and the Department of Finance             menting that programme. For
        in ensuring that we resolve this          all the committees in the depart-
        problem. We are hoping by the             ment now, Mmabana is going to
        end of October/November this              take charge of the financial
        year will belong to the past.             management and control of the
        There are other challenges of             funds and the funds of the
        budget because it is not going to         PACC all of those because
        be easy with the concept of con-          Mmabana has now more than
        necting because it is not land-           increased capacity. We in fact
        lines it is other concept which           challenging all institutions of
        may be very expensive technol-            government about the controls
        ogy to access. We will be con-            and financial management as
        fronted by the lack of funds in           more than we think we are the
        addressing the problem com-               best in ensuring that that hap-
        pletely. The problems of                  pens. We have the requisite
        Mmabana belong to the past                skills and the personnel.
        around the AGs report. All of
        those problems we will ensure             About the 2010, we said 2010
        that when we report very shortly          we identified all of those lega-
        to the committee we will indicate         cies we have done so in our
        how we have dealt with all of             budget speech. And if we are
        those problems, they now                  supposed to be engaged let us
        belong to the past.                       be engaged all whether we can
                                                  deliver on those legacy projects
        The PACC is giving bursaries to           and whether we have the nec-
        Arts and Culture students. There          essary budget to do so. Where
        was a situation where controls            we are standing we are in a
        financial management in the               position to deliver on the lega-
        PACC as a structure was a big             cies identified in our budget

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        speech. The last issue is that             HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        sometimes we tried on danger-              Honourable Members I would
        ous ground when we think                   now want us to run the House
        knowledge must belong to indi-             quickly through the budget. We
        viduals, society educate its own           will run it through programme by
        individuals so that those individ-         programme.
        uals come and put back what                Programme 1 : Administration
        society has given them and that            = R56.808.000
        knowledge does not become
        exclusive domain of individuals.           HON. MALOYI:
        We acknowledge the role that               Deputy Speaker we want to
        can be played by individuals.              make a proposal; a proposal
        The community art centre is not            that must migrate to the next
        different from Mmabana,                    budget vote. What we will do
        Mmabana is a community art                 we will then migrate back to the
        centre it is just a community art          vote of sport, art and culture
        centre at a bigger scale, it is not        immediately after debating
        different. What we want to do              social development. We are try-
        as a department is to ensure               ing to address the question of
        that all community art centres             quorum.
        that have the equipments, the
        training that Mmabana gives.               HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        That is why building on that we            We defer this budget vote and
        are bringing the knowledge from            take concurrently with that of
        professors in the North West               Social Development because
        University, professors in the              the rule requires us to have two
        Helsinki University to ensure              thirds in a House before we
        that the programmes that                   adopt the budget and two third
        Mmabana gives are now given                is constituted by 22 Members. I
        in an expanded and accelerated             now have the pleasure of invit-
        way. That knowledge does not               ing Honourable Mangqo to pres-
        belong to the person who origi-            ent budget vote 12 for the
        nated the concept of Mmabana               Department of Social
        it now belongs to us but we will           Development.
        not plan it as our exclusive
        domain. I thank you.                       HON. MEC MANGQO:
                                                   Honourable Deputy Speaker,

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        Honourable Speaker in her                 nition address coined, " I have
        absence, Honourable Premier               been to mountaintop" only to
        Molewa also in her absence,               leave us the following day.
        Honourable colleagues in the
        Executive Council, Honourable              We have come here today,
        Members of the Provincial                 Deputy Speaker, to say that in
        Legislature, Honourable                   the memory of Dr. King, Oliver
        Executive Mayors and Mayors,              Tambo, Lilian Ngoyi, Hellen
        Honourable Speakers and                   Joseph, Joe Slovo and Chris
        Members of the Mayoral                    Hani, we have been to the
        Committees. Honourable                    mountaintop. Of particular inter-
        Councilors, Members of the                est, Deputy Speaker is that
        House of the Traditional                  exactly 55 years ago, on this
        Leaders, Magosi a etsho a a               day, history would be made as
        tlotlegang, different Political           Sir Edmund Hillary and Sherpa
        Parties, Our social partners, the         Tenzing would be the first peo-
        NGOs, CBO and FBOs,                       ple in recorded history to reach
        Members of the Media,                     the summit of Mount Everest.
        Comrades and friends, distin-             We join in their memory today
        guish guests, bagaetsho botlhe.           as we reveal details of the
                                                  Panorama we glanced with
        We present the Budget Vote                them, from the mountaintop.
        Address today, as the last in the
        current term of governance,               Delivering his last address at
        inspired by the milestones that           Memphis, Tennessee, on the
        we have covered in our journey            3rd of April 1968, Dr. King said,
        to improving the living conditions        as I quote "well. I don't know
        of all of our people, the poor            what will happen now. We've got
        and the most vulnerable in par-           some difficult days ahead. But it
        ticular. We present this address          really doesn't matter with me
        this year as we mark the 40th             now, because I've been to the
        anniversary of the passing away           mountaintop. And I don't mind.
        of one of the greatest champi-            Like anybody, I would like to live
        ons of civil rights, Dr. Martin           a long life. Longevity has its
        Luther King, who on the 3rd of            place. But I'm not concerned
        April 1968, would deliver what            about it now. I just want to do
        would be viewed as his premo-             God's will. And God allowed me

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        to go up to the mountain. And I            lenges makes that social work
        ve looked over. And I've seen              profession indispensable. It is
        the Promised Land. I may not               for this reason that social work
        get there with you. But I want             profession has been declared a
        you to know tonight that we as a           scarce skill in the country. In
        people, will get to the Promised           view of this factor, the national
        Land"                                      provincial departments have
                                                   developed a strategy for the
        We tread in the footsteps of               recruitment and retention of
        giants today, as we say, the suf-          social workers. The department
        fering of our people has taken             has developed a partnership
        us to the mountain and there we            with the North West University
        saw the Promised Land. We                  to ensure the increased intake
        have descended the summit of               of social work students.
        the mountain, clear of the duties          Bursaries have been provided to
        we have to fulfill to eradicate the        132 students from disadvan-
        suffering of our people, as we             taged communities. 17 students
        lead them to the Promised                  who had already enrolled at a
        Land. Deputy Speaker, we did               time when they receive bur-
        not go to the mountain out of              saries have graduated and cur-
        our own will. We were sent                 rently employed by the depart-
        there by the people and we                 ment.
        delivered on this mandate. The
        people have spoken and we                  Thirty unemployed graduates
        dedicate this budget vote                  have been identified for the
        address to the poor, the reli-             internship programme with 10
        gious communities, community               skilled in Media and
        builders, the most vulnerable              Communications, 5 in
        and indeed the proletariat                 Information Technology, another
        amongst our people. Deputy                 5 in Human Resources
        Speaker we continue to strive              Development and Management
        for the improvement of a service           and 10 in Records
        delivery that can deliver on the           Management. They will all be
        objectives we have set our-                placed in the current financial
        selves.                                    year. The department introduced
                                                   ABET programme for its
        The complexity of social chal-             employees in August 2007 and

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        104 of our employees are cur-               children as they will be the
        rently attending classes. We                defenders of the freedoms we
        congratulate them for the                   have fought for and the custodi-
        remarkable progress they con-               ans of our nationhood. We have
        tinue to register.                          committed in the previous finan-
                                                    cial year to taking services to
        We continue to be affected by               children so as to mark progress
        the exodus of skilled and experi-           in our developmental objectives.
        enced senior management                     Foster care services targeting
        members as we had projected                 5000 children were fast -
        in the previous financial year.             tracked and we are proud to
        We however would like to point              announce that not only have we
        out that this is not a problem              delivered on that but we have
        that is unique to our department            surpassed expectations as we
        as generally such exodus of                 reached a total of 8000 addition-
        skilled workers affects the social          al children who are currently
        cluster departments due to the              under foster care. The draft
        scarce skills sought by others.             Provincial Adoption Strategy has
        We continue to be concerned                 been developed and action
        about this exodus of skilled                plans are to follow in this regard.
        workers from the public service
        to the private sector as this               Deputy Speaker, the realization
        affects institutional memory and            of a better future begins with the
        culture. We continue to look into           resources we invest in our chil-
        intensifying staff retention strate-        dren from young age. In the
        gies and ensuring that we                   midst of the challenges we con-
        employ fresh graduates who will             tinue to face, we remain inspired
        be patriotic and committed to               that families are not shaken by
        the public service. In the midst            fears of the future; they are pre-
        of these challenges, we remain              pared to do God's will. The
        inspired that tomorrow will be              establishment of family services
        better than today for we have               directorate has provided strate-
        seen the Promised Land.                     gic leadership to programmes
                                                    and projects to improve the well-
        Deputy Speaker, we have col-                being of families. A director has
        lective responsibility to entrust           been appointed along with other
        our future in the hands of our              crucial posts to the functioning

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        of this director. R3.8 million has        Promised Land, we shall not
        been allocated for this purpose.          allow any obstacle to discourage
        The department hosted a family            us.
        conference where 300 delegat-
        ed attended in the fight against          In promoting the implementation
        social ills bred by absence of            of National Drug Master Plan, a
        family leadership, material               consultative meeting with the
        assistance was provided to fam-           Central Drug Authority,
        ilies at risk NGOs providing              Department of Social
        services to families we funded.           Development and other stake-
        As part of our intervention in            holders was held. This partner-
        placing families at the centre of         ship process has witnessed the
        building the moral fibre of socie-        development of the Draft
        ty, the department joined a               Provincial Mini Drug Master
        provincial delegation that attend-        Plan whose aim is to reduce the
        ed Ethical Leadership                     demand and supply of licit and
        Conference in Bahamas.                    illicit drugs. Rolling out of Ke
                                                  moja Substance Abuse preven-
        Community dialogue workshops              tion strategy through the
        were undertaken where 120                 province has seen 57 service
        stakeholders were orientated on           providers educators, mental
        information cascading regarding           health coordinators, members of
        moral regeneration pro-                   SAPS, civil society and social
        grammes. Four district work-              development. Thirty-two schools
        shops were held to promote                were reached during the roll-out
        awareness on the Draft Family             of "Ke Moja" Programme
        Policy reaching 250 stakehold-            through the province, which
        ers. Our families have spoken             number shall be tripled as out-
        they have seen the glory of God           reach programmes become our
        and they prepared to embark               primary focus.
        with us on a journey to the
        Promised Land. The abuse of               Deputy Speaker, the view from
        substance continues to paint the          the mountaintop once more
        picture that the idea of a prom-          assured that none shall ever be
        ised land is far fetched for our          superior that the other, we were
        people. We reject this notion as          all created equal despite the dif-
        we say that having seen the               ferences in our physical abilities.

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        We are all God's children to per-         R2 million was awarded to Triest
        sons with disabilities we have            Centre to provide outreach pro-
        seen the Promised Land.                   gramme to 16 community-based
        Moretele One-Stop Centre has              disability organizations and
        been identified as part of both           ABET training to people with
        improvement and expansion of              mental disability. 16 day care
        services to the eligible. The cen-        centre and self-help projects
        tre was earmarked for people              heave trained on centre man-
        with disabilities but the current         agement, record keeping and
        renovation is an attempt to               basic financial management.
        mainstream people with disabili-          The North West University has
        ties; hence inclusion of other            approved training manual.
        departmental programmes in the            Examination was written by all
        centre. Service providers for             those enrolled wherein 50 %
        departmental infrastructural              passed and were awarded cer-
        development are on site and the           tificates. Sixty people with men-
        renovations are in progress.              tal disability received ABET
        Implementation of transforma-             training. As Dr. Martin Luther
        tion model for Itsoseng                   King teaches us, "Longevity has
        Handicraft Centre as part of              its place" these words are an
        Gobodo recommendations has                inspiration to all of us to contin-
        been a success. Renovations               ue to improve the living condi-
        for first phase of the centre were        tions of older person.
        concluded in line with the serv-          Implementation plan on popular-
        ice delivery norms and stan-              ization of the older persons Act
        dards. Posts for the institution          has been designed to ensure
        were advertised and interviews            effective information dissemina-
        concluded. Draft guidelines on            tion to communities and stake-
        the recruitment of board mem-             holders.
        bers are in place. The vision
        and mission of the centre was             This includes capacity building
        reviewed guided by Integrated             programmes for coordinators
        National Disability Strategy and          and partners on regulations for
        the Disability Policy. Admission          implementation of the Act. Train
        criteria have also been devel-            the trainer workshop was con-
        oped in line with the norms and           ducted for empowerment and
        standards.                                development of staff and part-

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        ners as well as the roll out plan          facilities. Transformation plan for
        for training of community struc-           state run facilities has been
        tures, NGOs, FBO and other                 approved and the quality assur-
        partners. A total budget of R41.4          ance tool has been developed
        million was allocated for this             to ensure improvement and
        purpose. In promotion and pro-             compliance to legislative man-
        tection of the rights of older per-        dates. State run facilities
        sons, 1200 older persons were              received honours during the
        reached during international day           recent Premier's Service
        of older persons leading to the            Excellent Awards.
        honouring of the eldest person
        in the Moses Kotane and                    As we descended the mountain
        Rustenburg municipalities in               Deputy Speaker, we descended
        Bojanala District who recorded a           inspired by the glory we saw at
        136 years. Two hundred grand-              the Promised Land. We saw a
        parents were honoured for the              land of milk and honey, where
        contribution they have made in             HIV/AIDS was a distant memo-
        their societies and the roles they         ry, defeated to eternity. Despite
        played in parenting grandchil-             the challenges of our day, we
        dren, care giving in terminally ill        are encouraged that we are
        family members and for being               capable of defeating this enemy
        bread winners for their families.          to the poor and most vulnerable
                                                   amongst our people. The
        Ten older persons were provid-             department funded 40 home
        ed with wheel chairs to enhance            community based organization
        mobility. Promotion of care and            which includes 13 new home
        support through partnership with           community based organizations
        Kgetleng Local Municipality was            and 4 HIV/AIDS prevention/part-
        undertaken to ensure integration           nership programme with love
        of services for older persons              life. It has been a challenge to
        with disabilities during                   release the funds on time due to
        Christmas. Service provider has            the delays in the registration of
        been appointed for renovations             organizations in the system. The
        at Sonop Home for older per-               department has however, regis-
        sons aimed at improving the liv-           tered progress in resolving this
        ing conditions in terms of norms           hiccup and it is anticipated that
        and standards for residential              such problems will never be

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        anticipated again.                          back and saw the anarchy of
                                                    poverty disguised as xenopho-
        The department has also visited             bia and many other forms of
        all funded organizations in                 prejudice. We saw how some
        Bojanala, Dr. Ruth Mompati and              amongst us had lost hope and
        Dr. Kenneth Kauda Districts and             gave into lies fed by poverty that
        an intervention plan has been               our brothers and sisters were
        developed to address all chal-              stealing our jobs. We shed tears
        lenges experienced by these                 at this scene as we now con-
        organizations. In order to                  demn the spate of attacks that
        enhance the performance of the              have been carried out by sib-
        department in relation to the               lings against siblings. As we
        national and provincial strategic           look forward into the future we
        plans on HIV/AIDS and STIs the              saw today's foes marching to
        department has filled the post of           the Promised Land side by side
        Director HIV/AIDS Programmes                led by Enoch Sontonga as they
        as well as six posts of assistant           sang Nkosi Sikelel 'iAfrika! The
        directors within the unit. The              poor of today shall get to the
        local victim empowerment pro-               Promised Land and witness the
        gramme forum members have                   eternal defeat of poverty. The
        been trained on minimum stan-               department championed the
        dards for service delivery as               development of the provincial
        directed by victim empowerment              poverty eradication strategy as
        integrated policy. In finalizing the        mandated by the provincial cabi-
        implementation of a strategy to             net.
        sustain three victim empower-
        ment centres to improve servic-             The department in partnership
        es rendered, posts for the cen-             with the South African Scout
        tre manager and the senior                  Association for the roll-out of a
        social workers have been adver-             programme called Food for Life
        tised. Thirteen volunteers                  to 1 250 scouts. Starter packs
        receiving stipends, pending the             were issued to young people in
        finalization of the implementa-             all four district municipalities to
        tion of the strategy.                       start backyard gardens.
                                                    Beneficiaries were trained on
        As we reached the mountaintop               food production and garden
        Deputy Speaker, we looked                   maintenance as planned.

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        Possibilities of replication to            proper accommodation in close
        other areas will be informed by            proximity to the targeted benefi-
        the sustainability and benefits            ciaries. Our sincere appreciation
        realized upon completion of                to Naledi Local Municipality for
        assessment by the department.              providing office space to the
        R1.32 million has been budget-             group. The official launch of this
        ed for in this regard.The leader-          project will follow and announce-
        ship of unemployed youth was               ments will be done similarly. The
        previously in conflict with the            department has joined the
        law from the previously volatile           national department and other
        Naledi Local Municipality has              provincial departments in
        been mobilized by the depart-              Masupatsela Youth Pioneer
        ment and the municipality to               Programme. This is an initiative
        establish Bophirima Youth                  that was conceived from the
        Development Programme,                     bilateral co-operation agreement
        aimed at providing care and                in the social development sector
        support to orphans, children with          between the Honourable
        disabilities and child -headed             Minister Zola Skweyiya and his
        Households.                                Cuban counterpart. The pro-
                                                   gramme seeks to recruit 1 040
        A camping excursion for 85                 unemployed youth from priori-
        members of these target groups             tized municipalities over a peri-
        and the youth leadership was               od of 3 years to massify regis-
        conducted during December                  tration of ECDs, increase the
        2007 in preparation for the                number of beneficiaries and
        establishment of the develop-              thus addressing current back-
        ment programme. Once again                 logs in the early childhood
        South African Scout Association            development sector and youth
        played an important role in the            unemployment.
        Moral Regeneration Camp for
        these young people                         Three new drop-in- centres have
                                                   been funded. These are "Be
        Bophirima Youth Development                green and Active" in Kagisano,
        Programme has been funded                  Nkgokare in Mazista in Kgetleng
        R1. 2 million and will start imple-        and Ratang Bana in Bokfontein
        mentating in June this year. The           in Madibeng. "Tshwaraganang
        delay was as a result of lack of           le Unicef" in Madibeng, has

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        been strengthened to prepare              undertake to strengthen the
        for the project centre and veg-           monitoring and evaluation of the
        etable garden establishment.              departmental programme per-
        The total cost for the four cen-          formance as well as foster the
        tres is R3.59 million. The depart-        participation of relevant and key
        ment once more successfully               stakeholders such as municipali-
        hosted four district Readira              ties and sector departments in
        Awards in preparation for the             all planning processes. Deputy
        provincial community builder of           Speaker we have been to the
        the year awards. The North                mountaintop and we now take
        West Province was well repre-             this opportunity to intensify our
        sented at the national event.             march towards the Promised
        The Matlosane based Steward               Land. R350 000 has been set
        Nhlathi Science Engineering               aside to ensure alignment of key
        and Technology Institute who              policy salient thrusts such as
        won the National Youth                    PGDS, MDGS, SONA and
        Category and also scooped the             SOPA policy directives amongst
        overall National Community                others in our planning process-
        Builder Award.                            es. R200 000 will be spent on
                                                  reviewing the departmental
        The department further assisted           monitoring and evaluation
        the Executive in Chief, the               framework by September 2008.
        young Sir. Stuart Nhlathi, to go
        on observational visit to Taiwan          The supply chain management
        National Science and Buddism              intends to improve and trans-
        Compassion Relief Tzu Chi                 form the service delivery system
        Foundation in Taipei, Taiwan. A           by engaging the historically dis-
        total of R1.3 Million was spent           advantaged individuals to partic-
        on the provisional awards. In             ipate in the procurement
        our efforts of improving condi-           process of the Department of
        tions for service delivery, we            Social Development. The direc-
        continue to place matters of pol-         torate will, with its service deliv-
        icy implementation and service            ery improvement and transfor-
        delivery planning, monitoring             mation plan, host 4 supply chain
        and evaluation at the centre of           management awareness cam-
        management development. In                paign to communities in each of
        the current financial year, we            district. These awareness cam-

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        paigns will enable us to empow-            R3 Million has been committed
        er the rural and local communi-            towards improving conditions of
        ties to gain access and partici-           early childhood development
        pate in our procurement process            facilities with 200 new sites
        using the preferential procure-            being subsidized. In rendering
        ment tools. During this aware-             support 150 social auxiliary
        ness campaign, more informa-               workers will be trained and R2
        tion pertaining to the departmen-          million has been set aside for
        tal procurement system will be             this purpose. Skills audit report
        disseminated.                              for then ECD service will be
                                                   undertaken as we strive to
        The directorate is targeting 51%           ensure the reliability of ECD
        of historically disadvantaged              services database. R1 million
        individuals participation which            will be spent in this regard.
        will address poverty eradication,          Monitoring system need continu-
        promotion of local business and            ous improvement and the
        strengthening of co-operatives             department will continue to
        and all other self sustainable             strengthen tracking systems for
        projects. We will continue to              ECD and grant beneficiaries.
        ensure that effective human
        resource provisioning, organiza-           A reliable data base for orphans
        tional development and transfor-           and vulnerable children will be
        mation services. Advocacy and              developed to the tune of R1.5
        training programmes for employ-            Million. Services to children in
        ee's health and wellness pro-              conflict with the law will be
        grammes will be intensified.               improved with integrated man-
        Management of employee rela-               agement plan for the secure
        tions is one crucial factor we will        care centres. R25 million has
        focus on as we build a strong              been set aside for the function-
        team of commitment public serv-            ing of one centre in Ngaka
        ice cadres. Deputy Speaker,                Modiri Molema. A comprehen-
        though it might seem as a long             sive strategy will be developed
        journey and at times we might              for homeless children. As we
        be weary, it needs not matter,             rally behind the hope of a better
        we have seen the Promised                  Africa and the world for all of
        Land and our children shall get            our people, a provincial indaba
        there.                                     on the needs of child refugees

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        will be held in the current finan-        Centres and 4 new HIV/AIDS
        cial year. For the current finan-         Prevention and Advocacy
        cial year, Child Care and                 Partnership Programmes. The
        Protection Services receive a             increase in funding will also see
        budget of R82, 729 million. In            an increase in the number of
        the overall the programme will            caregivers who will be taken
        see a rise in subsidies to all            through the EPWP.
        institutions engaged in the
        improvement of the living condi-          In order to strengthen Orphans
        tions and protection of the rights        and Vulnerable Children Support
        of our children                           Programmes, the department is
                                                  currently hosting a provincial
        Deputy Speaker, we are not pre-           summit to develop a provincial
        pared to wonder in the desert             orphans and Vulnerable
        for 40 years before we arrive at          Children Action Plan. This plan
        the Promised Land. HIV/AIDS is            will see coordinated action by
        prepared to take us on this               government, business & NGO's
        undesired path. We have been              in addressing the plight of
        to the mountaintop and we have            orphans and vulnerable children
        seen the Promised Land, we                in the Province. This will be fol-
        shall march side by side with             lowed by the launch of
        our children there. HIV/AIDS              Provincial Action Committee on
        shall not be an obstacle. The             Children Affected and Infected
        department has allocated an               by HIV/AIDS (PACCA) in July,
        amount of R 31.7 million in               and the rollout of structures in
        transfers to support and                  districts and local municipalities.
        strengthen the Home
        Community Based Care servic-              The department will also under-
        es, Prevention and Advocacy               take an impact assessment
        Partnership Programmes and                study on all organizations fund-
        R2, 6 million for Drop-in                 ed to deliver HIV/AIDS related
        Centres. This will see the                services to determine gaps, to
        strengthening of 52 existing              deal with equity issues, and to
        community home based care                 inform the development of a
        centres & Drop-in-Centres, 4              comprehensive HIV/AIDS inter-
        new community home based                  vention plan to guide the depart-
        care centres, 4 new Drop-in-              ment. The World AIDS Day

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        Commemoration, this year, will            ing 2010 through the intensifica-
        see the Department of Social              tion of awareness and advocacy
        Development hosting 4 district            of substance abuse pro-
        build-up events for the World             grammes in all identified partici-
        AIDS Day commemoration. This              pating municipalities. R650 000
        is to scale up the fight against          has been set aside for this pur-
        the increasing infection rates of         pose.
        HIV. The HIV/AIDS programme
        receives R40, 535 million in the          Deputy Speaker, we shall get to
        current financial year.                   the Promised Land with all of
                                                  our people, none shall be left
        The pursuit of happiness cannot           behind. The department will
        be realized in the hopelessness           intensify capacity development
        of substance intoxication. We             on Disability Policies, guidelines
        know that the ills of substance           and strategies at all levels
        abuse shall be defeated, for we           through improvement of service
        have been to the mountaintop.             accessibility, intensification of
        This year the department will             advocacy programme, informa-
        implement the secretariat                 tion management and research,
        improvement plan for the                  creating opportunities for
        Provincial Substance Abuse                employment and growth through
        Forum, implement the Provincial           economic empowerment proj-
        Mini Drug Master Plan and the             ects and facilitation of increase
        model for substance dependant             on subsidy rates. We will further
        youth in residential facilities. R        increase the capacity of state to
        100 000 has been set for the              deliver through participation in
        latter commitment so that we              the reviving and launching of
        have a very clear process on              local forums as well as to
        how to deal with it. Access to            enhance good governance
        treatment and rehabilitation              through participation in inter
        services for substance abuse              departmental and intra provincial
        will be improved through the              forums. Services to Persons
        establishment of 1 state run              with Disabilities receive a budg-
        treatment centre to the cost of           et of R18 million in the current
        R10 million. We are further               financial year.
        called to mitigate against possi-
        ble rise in substance abuse dur-          Deputy Speaker, the idea of a

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        Promised Land is that where all            building at all levels. The depart-
        of our older persons are treated           ment will further intensify family
        with dignity and honour. It is a           preservation programmes with
        land where the memories of a               special reference to heritage to
        nation will be used to build a             ensure integration of services.
        better future. We have been to             Granny Headed Households will
        the mountaintop and we have                be profiled and awareness and
        seen the Promised Land.                    moral regeneration programmes
        Registration of Facilities for both        will be embarked upon. Subsidy
        community based service and                increments will be ensured for
        residential care facilities remain         community based care services
        at the centre of our priorities            in the previously disadvantaged
        with regard to services for older          communities to create equitable
        persons. These facilities com-             distribution of resources. The
        mitted to improving the living             care and services to older per-
        conditions of the older persons            sons receive a budget allocation
        will in this financial year realize        of R43, 262 million.
        a growth in the subsidy
        allowances, which we believe               As we build the moral fibre of
        they will come in handy against            our society through empower-
        the beyond control inflation we            ment and development of the
        continue to experience which               most vulnerable of our people,
        continue to push our prices high           establishment of cluster imple-
        and deny the opportunity to the            mentation forums for children,
        poor to be able to access food             families, disabilities and older
        and the necessary basics that              persons will be intensified. Our
        they need.                                 families shall lead us to the
                                                   Promised Land they have been
         We will further create an                 with us to the mountaintop. Four
        enabling environment through               centres will be established for
        strengthening the existing                 the development and costing of
        forums and local organizing                One-Stop service centre model
        communities for older persons,             to the amount of R12 million.
        strengthening community based              Ethical leadership advocacy
        care services, ensure protection           campaigns focusing on the
        of older persons from abuse                youth will be undertaken to the
        cases and intensifying capacity            amount of R250 000. Improved

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        family relationships are crucial           Members of Mayoral
        to the creation of a healthy               Committees responsible for
        minded society and to achieve              social development services
        on our goals in this regard, four          across the municipalities in what
        reference groups will be estab-            will be known as MUNIMEC.
        lished to the amount of R250               The main aim of this structure is
        000. A strategy for provision of           to establish mechanisms for
        family services will be strength-          service delivery as well as coor-
        ened to the amount of R350                 dination and integration with
        000. Care and support services             local municipalities.
        to families receive a budget allo-
        cation of R7, 217 million from a           R 1, 4 million has been set
        mere budget of R1 million in               aside for the Provincial Faith
        the previous financial year.               Based Organizations (FBO)
                                                   Conference and the official
        The idea of our Promised Land              launch of the Provincial Faith
        is that of a developmental state.          Based Organization Forum. A
        Its objectives necessitate that all        further R 1m has been set aside
        hands should be on deck to bet-            for funding of the forum to
        ter the lives of our people.               ensure that all their plans are
        Intergovernmental relations                implemented with minimal finan-
        framework provides opportuni-              cial constraints experienced.
        ties to be explored by the                 This department has to ensure
        department as a form of intensi-           that parents also play their right-
        fying partnerships. In this regard         ful role in homes, families and
        we will work with the municipali-          communities. Because "charity
        ties to work towards a structure           begins at home" it is important
        that mobilizes political and tech-         that parents and families are
        nical leadership between the               assisted and enhanced to pro-
        province and the municipalities            vide guidance and support to
        in fast-tracking social develop-           their children in building them
        ment services at ward level. The           into responsible and caring
        department will work with all rel-         members within their family and
        evant parties towards the estab-           community setup. A Provincial
        lishment of a structure that               Parenting Network will be
        encompasses the MEC for                    launched in ensuring that par-
        Social Development and                     ents and all relevant stakehold-

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        ers in Moral Regeneration and             economic enterprises as part of
        Child Welfare are provided with           departmental Quick-Win proj-
        a structure and platform to oper-         ects, including Institutional
        ate, be seen and I heard                  Bakeries. R12million has been
        Honourable Duma Ndleleni say-             budgeted for in this regard so
        ing "Ngwana sejo o a tlhakanel-           that our people can produce
        wa!" We urge our state-led and            bread into areas where they
        private or community owned                found themselves.
        institutions, to meaningfully
        engage with us on a transforma-           Improved material support for
        tion path we have set on, for all         the needy and vulnerable
        funded institutions. The develop-         refugees will be embarked upon,
        mental challenges we continue             by establishing 4 district Food
        to respond to necessitate this            and Clothing Banks at a budget
        process of transformation and it          of R6 million. The department
        will benefit all of us.                   will strengthen the financial
                                                  muscle of two Flagship
        The Review of the Poverty                 Programmes in Mathateng and
        Eradication Implementation Plan           Madikwe to the amount of R2
        and development of the poverty            million. For the roll-out of
        eradication system (PES) imple-           Masupatsela Programme, Core
        mentation plan will be undertak-          Programmes of the department
        en in the current financial year.         will carry the costs estimated at
        This will see the establishment           not less than R 15m, including
        of the war room as mandated by            staffing and all other require-
        the President of the Republic             ments like transport and furni-
        and the Premier of the Province.          ture for the establishment of
        Feasibility studies will be con-          Special Programmes Unit where
        ducted in 15 local municipalities         the Masupatsela Programme will
        targeted as possible service              be located. This is a directive by
        areas for enterprise develop-             Cabinet that all provinces this
        ment. R12 million has been                year should ensure that the
        earmarked for the establishment           Masupatsela units are estab-
        of cooperatives to intensify              lished so that they carry out
        Poverty Eradication Strategy              their activities. The province will
        projects. We will invest                  once again host 4 District Rea-
        resources to initiate productive          Dira Awards and the Provincial

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        Community Builder of the Year             Promised Land.
        Awards. Prizes for the district
        awards and the provincial event           Sincerest thanks to our social
        will be increased to award our            partners, for coming on board to
        winners accordingly. R 2, 6mil-           translate our revolutionary
        lion has been allocated for               objectives into meaningful prac-
        Community Builder Awards in               tical results on the ground. The
        this financial year.                      support and leadership I have
                                                  been receiving from this august
        Deputy Speaker, we have been              House has been enormous and
        to the Mountain-top. From now             I remain grateful to this. To my
        on, we just want to do God's              political home, the African
        will. May I take this time, to            National Congress, I am encour-
        send my heartfelt appreciation            aged by the lessons I receive
        for the support and encourage-            from you to continue as a sol-
        ment I continue to receive from           dier of the National Democratic
        my loving family. My mother and           Revolution. Our 2008/09 depart-
        my children continue to be a              mental budget breakdown is as
        rock upon which I remain                  such;
        enchored. The Acting Head of
        Department of Social                      Programme 1: Administration
        Development, Mme Lindile                  receives R101, 570
        Kgasi, a child of the revolution,         Programme 2: Social Welfare
        born and bred into the revolu-            Services receive R407, 389
        tion, together with her dedicated         Programme 3: Development and
        team of public service cadres in          Research receives R98, 564
        the department continue to go
        beyond the call of duty to                Deputy Speaker, I present you
        ensure that we deliver on our             the total departmental budget of
        obligated mandates to the multi-          R607, 523 million for 2008/09
        tudes of our people. Deputy               financial year for your vote. May
        Speaker, I remain grateful to             I ask the Members of this House
        these soldiers of the public serv-        to please pass the budget the
        ice revolution, who were there to         children are waiting and the eld-
        provide the necessary climbing            erly are patiently waiting to
        tools as we ascended the moun-            receive the services they desire.
        taintop; they too shall see the           I thank you.

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        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        certain cases physical assets
        Thank you Honourable MEC I                could not be physically traced
        now call upon Honourable                  back to the fixed register. As
        Mampane the chairperson of                not all assets were bar-coded or
        Social Development Committee              the asset register could not con-
        to present the committee report           tain sufficient details.
        thank you.                                - There was no evidence of
                                                  any analysis or reconciliation of
        HON. MAMPANE:                             charges levied by the
        Ke a leboga modulasetilo wa               Department of Transport, Roads
        baduladitulo, Maloko a rona a             and Community Safety for the
        Khuduthamaga, badiri ba rona              utilization of pool vehicles. The
        ba ko lefapheng, ba Ntlo ya               expenditure amounted to R3.9
        Segosi le baeti botlhe bao ba             million for the period under
        eng teng fa. Honourable chair of          review. It has been established
        chairs we are all working                 that incorrect tariffs were used
        towards reaching the millennium           resulting in incorrect charges to
        developing goal by hourbing               the department. There is conse-
        hunger by 2014. Therefore I               quently doubt about the com-
        believe that it is important to           pleteness, accuracy and accur-
        work as a team in order to reach          ance of such expenditure.
        this objective jaaka motsogapele          -      It further noted that the
        a kile a re "Kgetse ya tsie e             department incurred penalties in
        kgonwa ke go tshwaraganelwa               respect of late submission of log
        e bile gape sedikwa ke ntšwa-             sheet, resulting in fruitless and
        pedi ga se thata." Whilest we             wasteful expenditure. Such
        acknowledge the good work that            expenditure had not been dis-
        the department has done, we               closed in the financial statement
        raised as a portfolio committee           as required by Section 40 (3) of
        the following concerns:                   the PFMA.
                                                  - Although target set out were
        - The department was in                   in line with strategic goals, cer-
        process of reconciling and veri-          tain targets were not achieved
        fying fixed assets to the fixed           by the department. The portfolio
        assets register. However the              committee honourable chair of
        fixed assets in the register could        chairs raised again as usual a
        not be physically verified and in         concern about shortage of social

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        workers and counselors which               classification because in some
        we think that it contributed to the        of the homes funded by the
        increase of drug and alcohol               department, you find that our
        abuse in schools around the                black grannies are kept right at
        province. There is also another            the back and they are not given
        concern raised by the committee            care as white grannies. We also
        which is the high staff turnover           wish the department should
        within the department. There is            implement their retention strate-
        a few number of substance                  gy they are having.
        abuse practitioners in the
        province, the department though            In conclusion Honourable
        is getting there it is not yet             Deputy Speaker, the committee
        achieved the equity target.                commended the department on
                                                   its impressive strategic plan/
        Giving these concerns we also              budget presentation and also
        came up with resolutions as a              requests the House to approve
        portfolio committee that the               the budget for the 2008/09
        department of Social                       financial year. The committee
        Development should collaborate             gave the department a time-
        with the Department of                     frame of six months to imple-
        Education to deal with the issue           ment the resolutions taken by
        of early childhood development             the committee and then it will
        centres. We also wish that all             exercise its oversight role to
        provinces should standardize               monitor the progress made. May
        the salary level of social workers         God bless you all. I thank you.
        to avoid the movement from one
        province to the other. They                HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        should also speed up the imple-            Re a leboga mme Motlotlegi
        mentation of older persons' Act.           mme Mampane. Nako ya gago
        The department should employ               o e tshwere. Ke tla bitsa mot-
        more community liaison officers            lotlegi mme Matladi.
        to monitor and assess projects
        or non governmental organiza-              HON. MATLADI:
        tions funded by the department.            Honourable Deputy Speaker in
        We wish that the people in old             budget speech during the
        age home should be treated                 2007/08 financial year, the
        equal regardless of their racial           Honourable MEC promised that

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        80% of the remaining social               telephones you name them.
        service posts will be filled and          Also the shortage of pool cars
        necessary resources will be               was a problem and they were
        availed. We follow up in this             asking for subsidized cars to do
        matter to check if this target has        their task. The package and
        been reached. We however                  salary of social workers has
        thanked the Honourable MEC                been promised to designed in a
        For the training plan of the              way of enticing or winning the
        social workers that has been              social workers to come and
        arranged with the University of           work at the rural North West
        the West and believe that it will         Province. We are checking if
        relief the department of the chal-        this package is in place and we
        lenge of shortage of social work-         are aware that we were told that
        ers in due course. We were                it will be worked by the province
        aware that out of the 300 target-         together with the national
        ed recruits only 149 of previous          department and it is overdue we
        year financial posts were filled.         want to know where it is.
        So we are still concerned. It was         Regional managers in social
        less than 50%.                            development were not filled the
                                                  positions there of. But the dis-
         The shortage of social workers           trict managers were acting on
        cause negative impact on serv-            rotational basis and we would
        ice delivery it also suggest huge         like to believe that this scenario
        workload for them resulting in            has been corrected and the
        multitudes of stresses as attrib-         managers are now in place.
        uted by the Honourable MEC.
        There was another element of              Honorouble Deputy Speaker
        lack of resources for the social          there has been fraudulent cases
        services which included the               reported in the Department of
        shortage of office space. In              Social Development. Where the
        Bophirima we found that were              officials in the department were
        even housed in one room in the            helping themselves with the
        hospital of Tshwaragano, in               grants of the beneficiaries. We
        Vryburg they were housed in the           were told that the department
        Health Department Offices. And            will look into them and the per-
        they do not have office equip-            petrators being brought to book.
        ments including computers and             We want to find out what was

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        the exact amount of money or               societies are taken advantage of
        the funds that were involved in            our senior citizens by presenting
        these cases. We also say time-             these schemes to them which
        frames in bringing perpetrators            rob them of the pension that
        to book has to be shared with              they should be enjoying.
        us. Because if you leave it open           Waiting period of processing of
        handed it will and it will never           the application of grants to be
        happen. There is SASSA, an                 given is still very long. More
        agency that is well known to be            than 3 months, some people go
        governed at national level.                beyond the five months of the
        Nevertheless it works in the               cases that have presented to
        province and the problems and              us. We would like to urge the
        the suffering are of the provin-           department to look into this
        cial communities. So as you                including the security of pen-
        present the issues of SASSA we             sioners who always get raped,
        would like to check if it is possi-        robbed and killed during the
        ble for the Department of Social           days of getting the pensions.
        Development to as well check
        with the national department if            Child grants are not used for
        they could be helping in moni-             caring of children. Is there any
        toring what SASSA is doing in              way that the use of these grants
        our province.                              can be monitored? We have
                                                   another challenge of crisis cen-
        The problems in changing of                tres in the province. In these cri-
        dates, their payments of grants,           sis centres there is no social the
        the long queues at pay points              worker who is full time. They are
        still continues, our senior citi-          seconded to the crisis centre in
        zens waking up too early in the            addition to the everyday work-
        morning. You find them in these            load that they do have. There is
        points at 5h00 in the morning              no budget in the crisis centres.
        irrespective of the weather con-           Lack of resources to a point that
        ditions waiting to queue up in             those who are working in the cri-
        order to get what is due to them.          sis centre sometimes have to
        The tents, toilets, water supply           fetch their own mieliemeal to
        and chairs still not available in          cook or prepare food for the
        some of the pay points. Different          people that have set refuge for
        organizations including burial             the people in the crisis centres

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        and they depend on hands out              are suffering. There is no nation-
        from other departments. If we             al constituency. Our people are
        can't manage the crisis centres           at the grassroots.
        why have them? We would
        move that the social worker be            Honourable Deputy Speaker,
        appointed to the crisis centre on         when the Honourable chairper-
        a full time basis and also that a         son of the committee was pre-
        budget in your department be              senting this the report, she
        made for these centres.                   alluded to this House that the
                                                  Older Persons Act has long
        Maintenance of children is also           been over due for implementa-
        a challenge in this province              tion. During the time of public
        although we know as well that             hearings we went out, we entice
        this is the department that has a         our community members by
        national competence. Parents              telling them how this Act will be
        wait for a long time before they          helping our elderly people as
        can receive their maintenance             well as providing job opportuni-
        funds, long after months have             ties for people that are unem-
        ended. In one district I was told         ployed. For those that will be
        that they receive theirs after the        able to have groups and taking
        fourth of every month. They               care of a group of pensioners or
        sometimes stay months on with-            people that need to be taken
        out any funds when there is a             care of has been asking how far
        delay between the working                 it is and presently we have
        place and the office in order to          another challenging Bill the one
        access the funds from the father          on Amendment of Social
        or whoever who is responsible             Assistant that has the content
        to maintain. It was once report-          almost as the same as those of
        ed that the departmental officials        that one in the Act of older per-
        helped themselves to this funds.          sons. And they talk about peo-
        We understand that this office            ple especially our …[ inaudi-
        does have the control at nation-          ble]… getting their pension
        al level but we are saying to our         funds at 60 years of age. It was
        province could the department             long ago when this was present-
        as well be lobbying to look into          ed. Today in the amendment we
        the problems because the North            still come up with pension. So
        West people are the people that           will still need this to be

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        addressed and I want to support              1 477 visits to the website. Now
        the vote on the social develop-              compare that to a well-kept
        ment with the facts that I have              website of Honourable Rasmeni
        presented. I thank you.                      of Department of Health. More
                                                     than 3 1500 visits to the website
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                           and is not ideal she hasn't got
        Our next speaker on this debate              the 2006/07 Annual Report on it
        is Honourable Hattingh.                      but there is nothing on your
                                                     website. It is very sad reflection
        HON. HATTINGH:                               on your department Honourable
        Thank you Honourable Deputy                  MEC.
        Speaker. Yes I think the MEC
        must be very proud of climbing               On the administration there are
        all these mountains to get to the            certainly question marks also
        top. She is extremely well and I             highlighted by the Auditor-
        am also happy to her smiling                 General. The unauthorized
        here today. She doesn't smile                expenditure in the increase in
        very often. And why I say this               the previous financial year to a
        Honourable Deputy Speaker, is                quarter of a billion rand accumu-
        because if one would look at the             lated from 2001 and nothing has
        website of this department I                 been done about it for all those
        think the only updated item of               years, that is for the past seven
        the whole website is the smiling             years. Honourable Deputy
        MEC and the situation that we                Speaker, Honourable Matladi
        don't see very often. So, I want             referred to cases of fraud in the
        to congratulate you on the pic-              department but it is strange that
        ture on the website but I also               the national department allows
        want to urge you please!                     the provincial department will
        Everything else is at least 2                actually from time time report on
        years old. Please do something               those officials who stole tax pay-
        about the website because peo-               ers money but there is a deafen-
        ple will think I think they will jus-        ing silence coming from this de-
        tify and start comparing the effi-           department. Why are we cover-
        ciency of the website and the                ing up the people who stole the
        efficiency of the department.                money?
        And that is really a bad exam-
        ple. And it is also reflected that           The Auditor- General again

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        that the department did not               your words supporting their pay-
        comply with Section 43 (b) of             ments? Unfortunately it does
        the PFMA pertaining to the fraud          not. In fact, an organization
        cases that have been reported             called the North West Coalition
        during the year and has not               of Social Services sent you a
        been enclosed in the financial            letter in February this year of
        statement. A list of investiga-           which you acknowledge receipt
        tions states the possible losses          but nothing more. This is a cri-
        were also not provided for audit          sis. The NGOs are losing their
        purposes. Why these cover-                social workers and there is noth-
        ups'? Why don't you expose                ing else. There is a shortage at
        what is going on in your depart-          every level. Honourable MEC I
        ment? Why do you keep it                  request you to go into the situa-
        closed? Honourable Deputy                 tion, please find the money to
        Speaker, I want to move on to             support the NGOs in maintain-
        something very serious. This              ing and keeping their social
        morning on the way here I lis-            workers. Another very crucial
        tened to a Radio interview for            aspect that I would like to reflect
        about an hour about the short-            on in this department, MEC
        age of social workers in our              rightly said those people are
        country. Now look; what are we            waiting, the children are waiting
        doing with the private sector,            I agree with you. But they are
        NGOs, social workers in our               waiting for you to get a system
        province? I want to give you              in place to monthly on time pay
        salaries of a social worker in            the subsidies to the orphanages
        Kwa - Zulu Natal. R10 700 per             to the old age homes which you
        month, for a senior R12 800,              are not doing. This is the single
        Mpumalanga R10 081, for a                 most item that I've been
        senior social worker R14 000,             involved in mostly in the North
        Limpopo R 9000 and R10 000                West Province in any depart-
        respectively and the North West           ment. Old age homes, orphan-
        R6000 per month for a social              age homes, NGOs phoning me
        worker. And that has been                 saying we are 4 months behind
        unchanged since 2001.                     with our subsidies. We cannot
                                                  go on.
        Now I heard the very caring
        words from the MEC. But are               We cannot buy food for the chil-

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        dren. Then I have to phone. I             freely, and will be distributed
        get 1/5 responses. The person             and I am very happy for that
        involved is either on leave, sick         because our many people are in
        leave, in a workshop, in training         need of this. But it was also said
        or all of the above yes you are           in 2004 before the election and
        laughing but sometimes I can't            2006 before the election and
        understand where people or                now before 2009 election.
        nurses and all of those people
        don't get their salaries, orphan-         What I am asking that would the
        ages don't get money to buy               responsible distribution through
        food because of the failure of            year in year out of food parcels
        the department to pay subsidies,          and it should not be linked to
        these people who should have              elections. Why did it die up?
        paid get their increases and              Why should it suddenly come up
        bonus every month, they go                now again? I am asking the
        home and enjoy their lives while          question but I've got the answer.
        people are suffering because of           There is a certain guy he is not
        them not doing their work.                a parliamentarian, nothing, is
                                                  got nothing to do with parlia-
        Honourable Deputy Speaker                 ment, provincial Legislature but
        there need to be a system in              he was spotted that he distrib-
        place where this is been regulat-         uted food parcels in the
        ed and there will be monthly and          Umgundluvu District
        in time payments of these subsi-          Municipality. It is far away from
        dies. There is no reason why all          us. The question is why should
        those centres should wait from            a politician who has got nothing
        April to June/July for a subsidy.         to do with government,
        I've got here an example of an            Legislatures or Parliament not
        organization which received in            even an MP, why should such a
        2007/08 only 4 months subsidy.            person to call upon people and
        Each and every one must be                distribute food parcels as if that
        taken up and it takes 2 to 3              person is giving on behalf of his
        weeks to be sort it out. This is          party? This is the problem and
        not right. 2008/09 again is one           that persons name happens to
        of those years the poorest of the         be Mr. Jacob Zuma.
        poor will be able to celebrate.
        Food parcels will be able again           Now this is unacceptable to por-

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        tray an image that the party is            That I can assure you. So don't
        actually subsidizing and buying            worry about our climbing up and
        food parcels and handing up to             down because you are not the
        people in the run- up to the               one who is climbing up and
        elections. I don't think if anybody        down. Leave the ANC alone.
        can approve of that unless you             Honourable Hattingh with regard
        are a cheap politician.                    to the NGOs, who are phoning
        Honourable Deputy Speaker I                you time and again, please
        want to close before you shut              Honourable Hattingh you are the
        me down as usual. But as I con-            Member of the Legislature. Tell
        clude I don't here the MEC                 those people to phone the MEC
        clear, I heard something about             directly so or the department.
        14 years in the dessert. I know            You are not the department nor
        you have been 14 years in a                the MEC. So your work is to
        dessert there is 26 years left to          pass the budget of the depart-
        get to 40 years. Don't let us wait         ment. You don't have access to
        another 26 years before we start           that budget. Please inform them
        real delivery of this department           not later than today ….. [ inter-
        of the North West Province. I              rupted]
        thank you.
                                                   HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                         Honourable Kekesi I would want
        The next speaker is Honourable             you to address the House
        Kekesi                                     through the Chair so that there
                                                   is order in the House. Because
        HON. KEKESI:                               that might cause some confu-
        Ke a leboga motlotlegi                     sion.
        MotlatsaMmmuskgotla.
        Batlotlegi ba Ntlo eno, dikgosi le         HON. KEKESI:
        bo-Mmadikgosi, borra dikgang               I am sorry Honourable Deputy
        ke a dumedisa mo tshokologong              Speaker, I know that you' got
        ya gompieno. Ke a leboga mot-              some rules, can you protect me.
        lotlegi. Honourable Hattingh we            I am speaking and Honourable
        will never, never get tired of             Hattingh is speaking. He had his
        climbing up and down the                   chance. Honourable Deputy
        mountains before our people all            Speaker with regard to those
        of them could get a better life.           who are phoning time and again

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        from the Honourable Member                HON. HATTINGH:
        they must know from today that            Honourable Deputy Speaker
        the Honourable MEC Mangqo is              point of order, the Member
        the MEC for the department. If            speaking refer to a certain Mr.
        they ever want to order or to say         Zuma as Honourable. He is not
        something they must phone her             a Member of this House, she is
        or the department; not the hon-           misleading this House and I
        ourable Member. The work of               request that she must withdraw
        the Honourable Member is to               it.
        pass the budget. He doesn't
        have any access to the budget.            HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
                                                  Yesterday I drew your attention
        The other thing with regard to            to a rule that does not allow
        food parcels is that even yester-         any Member to interject when a
        day, even last year December              member is on the podium. I am
        we had no elections but food              reminding you to make that
        parcels were distributed to the           observation. As to referring to a
        poorer of the poorest. We don't           person outside this House as
        just come out with food parcels           Honourable or not, depends on
        during elections because we               an individual Member. If a
        know that we are committed to a           Member chooses to refer to a
        better life for all. Through out          person outside the House as
        the year we do distribution of            Honourable, we would not have
        food parcels. With regard to our          a problem with that. So that one
        Honourable JZ the President of            is a pure matter of the individual
        the ANC, he is our president              who is on the podium at that
        Honourable Deputy Speaker. It             time. Can we then proceed and
        is unfortunate that DA doesn't            please allow Honourable Kekesi
        have president. So please                 to complete her debate.
        those who do not have a presi-
        dent don't say anything about             HON. KEKEKSI:
        our president. [Interrupted on a          Thank you Honourable Deputy
        point of order]                           Speaker. You know what
                                                  Honourable Hattingh? I am sorry
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        Honourable Deputy Speaker you
        Honorouble Kekesi may we lis-             know what? Comrade JZ Zuma
        ten to a point of order?                  is my President. To me he is

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        honourable because he is my               bagolo ba rona ba tlhokomelwe
        leader. You are the one who set           sentle; bogolo jang ka dinako
        fire. So, ikemisetse go ora.              tsa dikamogediso. Fa go ne go
        Honouable Deputy Speaker I                ka kgonega, gongwe dikgwedi
        have been observing that you              tse tharo, ban e ba ka apeeelwa
        will say you have rules that you          moronyana kgotsa yona sopo
        have put on place but you don't           pele ba ka amogediswa. Seo se
        implement those rules. Just now           ne se ka fokotsa botlhoka tiro ka
        you have said no one should               gore re ne re tla thapa mo diri-
        interfere when other Member is            jening tsa rona dile di nne re tla
        on the podium but continuously            thapa batho ba le babedi kgotsa
        Honourable Deputy Speaker                 ba le bararo mme seo ko moago
        leaves Honourable Hattingh to             re fitlhele e le gore re fitlhelela
        continue with that manner. Can            go fokotsa botlhoka tiro.
        we respect this House
        Honourable Deputy Speaker?                Kwa Ward 2 ko Masutlhe bagolo
        Debate ya ka e tlhakantshitswe.           ba rona ba sa ntse ba bona ba
                                                  sotlega tota. Jaaka motlotlegi
        Ke a leboga motlotlegi. E re ke           Matladi a setse a kaile gore ditu-
        bua se ga rona gongwe ga go               lo ga di a fitlhelela bagolo ba
        kitla go nna le disruption eo ke e        rona mo dikamogedisong ba
        boneng. Mme Mangqo gom-                   botlhe. Kwa Ward 26, mo
        pieno re tlile fa go tla go fetisa        Mafikeng, batsad ba t eng ga b
        tekanyetsokabo ya lefapha la              a bone social worker go tla go
        gago. Re a kopa mma gore dik-             ba kwadisetsa bana ba bang ba
        goro tsa lefapha la gago di               tshwanetse ke gore ba amogele
        bulwe. Se re tswang go se bua             madi a kgwedi le kgwedi. Re ka
        gompieno re bua e le dikgwetl-            leboga fa lefapha le ka tsaya
        ho, ka bana ba rona ba dikhut-            tsia go bona gore kwa Ward 26
        sana bao ba tlalang mo seter-             ba a thusiwa. Le rona ko dicon-
        ateng. A go se nne jalo ka                stituecy tsa rona motlotlegi MEC
        gonne gompieno re tlile go go             re tla leka go go thusa mabapi
        neela tšhelete. E dirisiwe sentle         le … [ Interrupted] Honourable
        go fokotsa botlhoka tiro, lehuma          Deputy Speaker, justice has not
        le tlala.                                 been done to me because
                                                  Honourable Speaker you gave
        Motlotlegi Mangqo, re kopa gore           Honourable Hattingh chance to

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        disrupt my debate and there               have been challenges in terms
        after I am informed that my time          of the type of capacity that we
        has passed. Thank you.                    had in the department that is
                                                  why we could not realize a
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        100% delivery on the services
        Honourable Mangqo please                  and the strategic objectives that
        respond and be on time. I will            we set in the previous financial
        appreciate it if you could use            year. We will continue to
        less minutes.                             improve where we are expected
                                                  and over work our members
        HON. MEC MANGQO:                          who are willing to continue to
        Thank you Deputy Speaker. I               assist and serve the people as
        will try and navigate through the         they have been employed to do
        questions. I think we must con-           so. We acknowledge
        fess that the issue of the split          Honourable Members that not
        between the Department of                 all public servants and civil ser-
        Social Development and the                vants in particular would commit
        agency of SASSA did leave us              to the jobs that they are
        with a bit of work to try and             employed to do. Not only that
        ensure that our assets are bar-           they don't want to do the job,
        coded and everything else is put          there are many human factors
        into place which is quite a mas-          that affect them, which we will
        sive process which could not be           continue to strengthen our well-
        taken in a short circuited time.          ness programme so that we
        For that we acknowledge the               realize much more production
        observations that were made by            than elements that we find
        the committee and also commu-             sometimes in our institutions.
        nicate that the MUNIMEC took a
        decision. Those matters shall be          We are collaborating with the
        completed by the end of                   Education Department but let
        November 2008 so that                     me take this opportunity again
        processes leading to outer year           to explain that early childhood
        should be leaving our books               development which is referred to
        clean so that we are able to              in the Education Department it
        perform beyond expectation.               talks about children who are
                                                  between the age of seven who
        We also acknowledge that there            are in Grade R and who are

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        being prepared to go to the for-          that must take place at a crèche
        mal education. Now social                 which is run by social develop-
        development accounts for chil-            ment. What we do we recruit
        dren who are new born to the              them, they train them, capaci-
        children who are six years of             tate then we take them back to
        age. By law such children the             the classroom where they sup-
        minute they reach a year you              pose to take care of our chil-
        can raise them within an educa-           dren. So that collaboration will
        tional institution which is your          be strengthened as we continue
        crèche, your centres because              to open the sites through the
        they need to be developed in              budget that we are getting.
        terms of their comprehension
        and all other factors that makes          Transformation of institutions of
        them children who are well fed            older persons is a long going
        in terms of their educational             effort and I am going to request
        needs.                                    Honourable Hattingh to really
                                                  assist us because it does indi-
        This challenge did not come               cate that we will have to come
        easy because there are budget-            forward with all the institutions
        ary constrains that affected all          which do not want to transform.
        the Department of Education               Unfortunately for us those are
        and Social Development in the             institutions that are historically
        two sections of the children              embedded but we found them in
        that we are talking about. But            the system of government.
        we are now realizing a massive            Every time when we tell them to
        intake interms of your early              comply they do not want to and
        childhood development service             they run to you Honourable
        centres relating to the 0 to 6            Hattingh. Please when they run
        years of age. I am saying with            to you the best method which I
        confident that in the Education           believe the two of us is our
        there is stability because the            interest is to ensure that we pro-
        child have to start with Grade R          vide the services on an equal
        before you go to Grade                    basis to all our citizens. Call
        0.Education Department does               them and see them to discuss
        with a curriculum because they            why we are not giving them the
        are custodians of curriculum in           money. Without saying much it
        defining the type of education            will assist all of us very much.

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        You know they do malicious                  ter challenges. Part of the report
        compliance. When you ask them               that I was reading we did not
        how many black people do you                get into the details Honourable
        have they will say fifty. You go in         Matladi on how we are going to
        the middle of the night, the fifty          address these things. The new
        elders are sleeping on the floor            staff for public administration
        all the whites other people are             together with the team that has
        sleeping in beds. They are treat-           been appointed by the President
        ed differently in the same institu-         are concluding within the next
        tions. We will give you statistics          two months the dispensation of
        if you want because we visit                social workers so that we equal-
        them, they are not telling you              ize and we begin to open oppor-
        that but we do that in the                  tunities for them to be able to
        department. If we can sit down I            grow because the sector itself
        will give you statistics. I think at        does not give them the opportu-
        some point we must come back                nity for them to grow. If they
        to this House so that we must               want to grow they will have to
        expose this social ills. This insti-        leave social work programmes
        titutions of segregation must               go to teaching, research and
        come into an end. But I don't               other areas where there is much
        want to undermine the fact that             more money.
        they may be treated and we are
        not doing our work as well. If              Let me conclude by talking
        you find them please report                 about SASSA again. It is an
        them to the authority so that we            agency which was established
        can assist each other so that we            by an Act of Parliament. It is a
        can assist each other in building           national body. What it does is to
        a cadre of social service so that           administer and disperse the
        we which all of us can be proud             funds to legible members of our
        of in the future.                           society who must get the all
                                                    types of grants that are listed
        The other element which I want              there. Now we don't have cus-
        to speak about is that, I think             tody over SASSA but we do
        mme Matladi has raised very                 have areas where the problems
        profound issues that all of us              that are being identified. We
        agreed that they form part of               have empowered through the
        socio-economic and social clus-             delegation of particular areas of

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        the Act by the Minister to pro-           who live in conditions that are
        vide that oversight on his behalf.        inhumane and we did so under-
        We have continuous meeting                standing that the budget was
        with SASSA on monthly basis               limited but we needed to do
        where they are expected to pro-           that. We did that. We went out
        vide us with full accountability          into streets campaigns. People
        and report on the work that they          registered. Today people are
        are doing. My plead again would           enjoying benefits of being citi-
        be to all members, where there            zens of South Africa. Please
        are challenges, in relation to the        don't refer to that matter again.
        payments of grants, conditions            But I agree that all issues that
        to which our elderly people are           have been raised we will attend
        exposed, the attitudes of the             to them and we will bring a
        SASSA employees bring a                   report to the committee as
        report to the department so that          expected. Thank you
        we assist each other in ensuring          Honourable Deputy Speaker.
        that we take up the matters and
        addressing them and make sure             HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        that the Minister is aware of             Honourable Members we run-
        these issues. I agree we need             ning through the Department of
        organized volunteers so that we           Social Development programme
        are able to deal with these               by programme.
        things.
                                                  Programme 1: Administration
        Honourable Deputy Speaker, I              allocated R101, 570: AGREED
        need to talk about the unautho-           Programme 2: Social Welfare
        rized expenditure. Honourable             and Services allocated R407,
        Hattingh you are talking about            389: AGREED
        the matter of the past. This mat-         Programme 3: Development and
        ter has not happened in the last          Research allocated R 98, 564:
        three consecutive years. In               AGREED
        2004/5/6 there was a confer-
        ence on a deliberate decision             This brings us to the total of
        from the party that I come from,          R607, 523. Does the House
        a government of today to ensure           approve the budget?
        that we increase uptake and               [APPROVED]. Honourable
        intake on people who are legible          Mangqo you can go and spent.

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        We are proceeding to the previ-           HON. MEC RASMENI:
        ous vote and that is the                  Deputy Speaker, Honourable
        Department of Sport, Arts and             Premier, Mme Molewa, col-
        Culture.                                  leagues in the Executive
                                                  Council, Members of the
        Programme 1: Administration:              Provincial Legislature,
        R56, 808,000 AGREED                       Chairperson of the Portfolio
        Programme 2: Cultural affairs             Committee on health: Mamateya
        : R79,288,000 AGREED                      Mampane, our Head of
        Programme 3: Library and                  Department Dr Keneilwe Lydia
        information Services :                    Sebego ,our stakeholders and
        R102,743,000 : AGREED                     partners in the health sector,
        Programme 4: Sports and                   Management team of our
        Recreation : R88, 311, 000 :              department, distinguished
        AGREED                                    guests and comrades, learners
                                                  that I invited here le baagi ba
        Total budget of R 327, 150 000,           Porofense ya Bokone-
        do we approve the budget?                 Bophirima, dumelang!
        [APPROVED]. Ntate Duma you
        can go and spent. Honourable              It is with a great degree of
        Members the time is 13H45.                delight that I rise to address you
        This House is adjourned and we            today. I do so, inspired by the
        are coming back at 14H45.                 notable strides which this gov-
                                                  ernment seems to have made to
        THE HOUSE STAND                           turn yesteryear's pessimism and
        ADJOURNED FOR LUNCH                       despair into hope and optimism
                                                  since the advent of democracy.
        THE HOUSE RESUMES AT                      Thereby, confirming the words
        14H45                                     of former President Nelson
                                                  Mandela that "a good head and
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                        a good heart are always a formi-
        Honourable Members I have the             dable combination." Deputy
        pleasure of inviting Honourable           Speaker, on the occasion of us
        Rasmeni to present the Budget             taking office, this "good head
        Vote No. 3, Department of                 and heart" enjoined us after our
        Health.                                   freedom to move our country
                                                  forward decisively towards the

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        eradication of poverty and                 truth, in 2008/09 we shall use
        underdevelopment by improving              our wherewithal to ensure that
        the quality of life of all our peo-        we speed up change in our bid
        ple in many critical areas of              to accelerate the advance
        social existence including                 towards the goal for "Health for
        health.                                    all". To this end, we shall mar-
                                                   shal all our resources inclusive
        Today I am sure we can all look            of all our health personnel to put
        back with great pride and say,             all hands on deck to make sure
        indeed "when freedom does not              that we deliver on our mandate
        have a purpose, when it does               to indeed create a better life for
        not wish to know anything about            all. This contract and promise, is
        the law engraved in the hearts             what has bound us together,
        of men and women, when it                  and shall continue to shape our
        does not listen to the voice of            character and destiny.
        conscience, it turns against               Therefore, as I present this
        humanity and society." That we             Budget Speech, to outline our
        are here, have been here, and              plans for 2008/08, I shall take
        are set to be here in the next             instruction from this undertaking
        term of government is confirma-            and the resolutions of our 52nd
        tion of the fact that we have not          National Conference which con-
        abused our freedom and the tra-            firmed the centrality of health in
        jectory we are following is cor-           resolving the twin challenges of
        rect. Therefore, Deputy Speaker,           underdevelopment and poverty.
        what remains for us is to har-
        ness all that we've achieved and           The Apex priorities which both
        to indeed embark on business               the President and the Premier
        unusual and ensure that all                pronounced on as a mark of all
        hands are on deck to speed up              our commitment to speeding up
        change.                                    change in a business unusual
                                                   mode shall also serve as an
        It has been said that "Thoughts            important guiding light of the
        lead on to purposes; purposes              course we have got to travel,
        go forth in action; actions form           and so shall other national and
        habits; habits decide character;           international policy imperatives
        and character fixes our destiny."          which we have got to respond
        To turn this into an incorrigible          to. However, before I outline our

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        plans, Deputy Speaker, I would             we shall ensure that we act
        like to invite this august House           steadfastly and in tandem with
        to join me and the rest of the             the rest of our colleagues to
        world in celebrating 2008 as the           work incessantly towards the
        30th Anniversary of the Alma               achievement of the said objec-
        Ata Declaration of 1978 and                tives and other health priorities
        herein recommit our Department             which have been adopted by the
        to the undertakings made on the            National Health Council' in this
        occasion of this important                 penultimate period of govern-
        International Conference which             ment.
        was held in the former USSR.

        Amongst others, this conference            Deputy Speaker, as many will
        adopted the Primary Health                 know the transformation of our
        Care approach as the best                  health system began a long time
        approach to the delivery of                ago. To accelerate on its
        health services. The conference            achievements, we undertook, in
        also emphasized the need for               the year preceding, to embark
        urgent action by all govern-               on a range of measures to deliv-
        ments, all health and develop-             er on our mandate. Therefore, it
        ment workers, and the world                is with sincere humility that I
        community to protect and pro-              stand before this august House
        mote the health of all the people          today to give an account of our
        of the world. Thirty years on, it          performance against the mile-
        is worth noting that the need for          stones we set for 2007/08. As I
        urgent action is still on. Thus, as        do this I shall also outline our
        part of our contribution towards           plans for 2008/09 under the rel-
        ensuring that we eradicate the             evant sections. Thereafter I shall
        world's extreme poverty and                indicate the resources we
        hunger, reduce child mortality,            require this House to support us
        improve maternal health, com-              on in order to discharge our
        bat HIV/AIDS, Malaria and other            mandate. In preparation for the
        diseases, we shall work stead-             2010 FIFA World Cup, the
        fastly towards the attainment of           department had set itself a num-
        the Millennium Development                 ber of deliverables to achieve in
        Goals and the Apex Priorities.             the 2007/08 fiscal year. They
        Accordingly, in the year 2008/09           included the revitalization of

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        institutions to meet the required         services personnel continue to
        FIFA standards, procurement of            receive high level training at our
        ambulances, training of EMRS              EMRS College in Klerkdorp
        personnel and upgrading of                which is a model for the country.
        equipments used in our health             In 2007 we undertook to build
        institutions. I am glad to report         new infrastructure and to
        that 60 ambulances and 12                 replace old and dilapidated
        response vehicles worth R22               buildings. I am glad to report
        million were procured in the past         that 2 Community Health
        financial year. These ambu-               Centres under the revitalisation
        lances and vehicles will not only         programme, that is, Phela and
        be used for purposes of 2010              Mogwase have been completed
        World Cup, but they will continu-         and are now functioning, 9 clin-
        ously be used to strengthen the           ics were completed, 2
        Emergency Medical and Rescue              Community Health Centres, that
        Services in the province.                 is, Phedisong and Tigane have
        Training of EMRS personnel in             been upgraded and extended.
        the Klerksdorp EMRS College is
        continuing to ensure that these           This year, we will ensure that
        procured ambulances and                   Moses Kotane and Vryburg
        response vehicles have people             Hospitals are completed, and
        who men them.                             handover six Community Health
                                                  Centres. In a bid to strengthen
        In 2008/09 we shall continue to           revitalization, we shall integrate
        strengthen these services by              health technology in the revital-
        ensuring that there is a defined          ization programme and increase
        and elaborate strategy to deal            the number of hospitals that are
        with and mitigate disaster. We            on this programme.
        shall also ensure that high-tech          Furthermore, we shall also com-
        communication tools are                   plete the construction and com-
        installed in our emergency vehi-          missioning of outstanding health
        cles and centres, a scheduled             posts, and provide legacy proj-
        replacement programme is fol-             ects for 2010 and beyond.
        lowed to replace all existing             Guided by ASGISA and our
        emergency vehicles that have              business as a service oriented
        traveled in excess of 200 000             organization, the department
        kilometers, and emergency                 undertook in the previous year

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        to build our employees' skills in         nurses in various degree and
        different areas. We are glad to           diploma courses. This shall be
        report that: More than five thou-         with the view to building on the
        sand five hundred employees               achievements we made in
        have been sent to different train-        2007/08. In terms of this, we
        ing programmes to up their                recorded the following progress:
        skills, three hundred and twenty          1207 nursing students were
        three employees were on the               enrolled in nursing diploma
        ABET programme, one hundred               courses, 168 students were
        and eighty six employees regis-           enrolled for the basic nursing
        tered for learnerships, whilst one        degree courses with the North
        hundred and forty students                West University, 136 students
        were on the internship pro-               were enrolled for post basic
        gramme, and fifty five                    diploma courses in nursing and
        Community Health Care                     86 learners were on the auxil-
        Workers were trained on a com-            iary nursing learnership pro-
        prehensive NQF level 4 course.            gramme.
        The department also awarded
        ninety six (96) bursaries in sup-         Deputy Speaker, I announced in
        port of various study pro-                the House last year that our
        grammes.                                  department was working with
                                                  other departments to ensure
        In the year 2008/09 the depart-           integration towards providing a
        ment shall continue to expand             response to HIV/AIDS. This
        on these achievements by con-             approach I said was guided by
        tinuing to provide more bur-              the National HIV/AIDS Strategic
        saries. We shall also accelerate          Plan 2007-2011 that was
        the training of community health          launched by the Deputy
        workers and continue with our             President Ms. Phumzile
        commitment towards the devel-             Mlambo-Ngcuka on the 30th
        opment of youth skills through            April 2007. On this I am glad to
        the internship and learnership            report that the Department con-
        programmes. In our quest to               ducted a collaborative and con-
        produce nurses who are the                sultative process to develop a
        backbone of our health care               Provincial HIV/AIDS Strategic
        service delivery we shall contin-         Plan 2007-2011 which is aligned
        ue to increase the intake of              to the National HIV/AIDS

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        Strategic Plan 2007-2011)                  To mitigate against Sexually
        Different Provincial Government            Transmitted Infections (STIs) we
        Departments; including sectors             shall continue to ensure that
        such as COSATU, Business,                  health care professionals are
        people living with HIV/AIDS,               trained on the syndromic man-
        Municipalities and NGOs partici-           agement of Sexually
        pated in the development and               Transmitted Infections (STIs)
        alignment of this strategic plan.          throughout the province. This
        The interventions in this strate-          intervention shall be comple-
        gic document are guided by the             mented by the distribution of
        four priority areas, namely:               both male and female condoms.
        Prevention, Treatment, Care                The challenge however remains
        and Support, Research,                     the reluctance of partners to
        Monitoring and Surveillance as             come for treatment. In this
        well as Human Rights and                   regard we shall encourage part-
        Access to Justice.                         ners to come forth for testing
                                                   and treatment. We shall also
        In 2008/09, we shall accelerate            accelerate the High
        the implementation of this plan            Transmission Area (HTA)
        by: strengthening our prevention           Programme aimed at truckers
        initiatives by expanding PMTCT             and commercial sex workers.
        services and increasing health
        promotion initiatives, strengthen-         Deputy Speaker, we all know of
        ing treatment, care and support            the urgent response required to
        by increasing VCT uptake and               mitigate the TB crisis. I can
        accrediting more facilities to pro-        report that, in our province, I
        vide Antiretroviral Therapy                personally together with depart-
        (ART). We shall also strengthen            mental officials conducted 4 TB
        our partnerships with NGO's and            awareness campaigns to rein-
        accelerate the implementation of           force and demonstrate commit-
        Orphaned and Vulnerable                    ment of the department to the
        Children (OVC) programmes,                 control of the TB epidemic in
        strengthening monitoring and               rural communities. At these
        reporting of the plan including            meetings the traditional and
        matters of human rights and                municipal structures pledged
        access to justice for those who            their support to the efforts of the
        are infected and affected.                 department to fight TB. Capacity

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        building for facility staff, doctors        also through public education
        and nurses was intensified in               and environmental manage-
        2007. The focus was on                      ment. This year we will continue
        provider initiated HIV testing and          to strengthen the management
        counseling of TB patients;                  of communicable and non-com-
        including prevention of infec-              municable diseases.
        tions. Through this initiative,
        62% of TB patients were tested              The Malaria vector control pro-
        for HIV and 57% of those tested             gramme has been consistently
        were HIV positive. 87.1% of                 implemented since 1997. One
        those who tested positive were              thousand and seventeen
        initiated on the prophylactic               dwellings were sprayed with
        treatment. In order to accelerate           residual effect insecticide. Food
        on these achievements, a TB                 hygiene and safety efforts were
        turnaround strategy has been                intensified amongst food ven-
        developed and we shall fast                 dors / hawkers during the month
        track its implementation.                   of October 2007 in all 4 districts.
                                                    The food safety initiatives culmi-
        The department's response to                nated in the celebration of World
        disease outbreaks has been                  Food Day on in Rustenburg,
        outstanding in 2007. We                     Bojanala Platinum District.
        responded promptly and appro-               Rustenburg was targeted specif-
        priately to all outbreaks such as           ically because it is a FIFA 2010
        hepatitis A in Ramotshere                   World Cup host city in the North
        Moiloa, Diarrhoea in Tswaing,               West Province. Healthcare
        Food poisoning at Bethel High               Waste is successfully managed
        School, suspected Measles at                at public healthcare facilities.
        Onkgopotse Tiro Middle School               We will strengthen our port
        and meningococcal meningitis.               health services as part of
        Fourteen cases of Malaria were              preparing ourselves for the FIFA
        reported and investigated.                  2010 World Cup. As part of our
        Upon investigation, all cases               commitment to improve mater-
        were found to be imported from              nal, child and women's health,
        areas outside the province.                 we shall entrust our Health
        Case management has been                    Services Branch to ensure that
        intensified through training of             strategies to reduce morbidity
        health care professionals and               and mortality among infants,

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        children under five years and               on the departmental perform-
        mothers continue to be imple-               ance and allow them more
        mented and strengthened.                    space to input to our pro-
                                                    grammes and performance. We
        To improve quality of care, we              are excited as this has shown
        shall ensure that systems to                how our communities are pre-
        monitor the quality of clinical             pared to walk hand in hand with
        care in all our public health facil-        us towards enhancing quality
        ities are strengthened. To                  health care. As part of our com-
        achieve this, we shall ensure               mitment to this objective of pro-
        that there is continuous imple-             moting community participation
        mentation of Infection Control              in our affairs, we shall again this
        Policies including TB infection             year hold another consultative
        control, as well as the manage-             forum. The passing of
        ment of infections in postnatal             Traditional Health Practitioners
        and neonatal units and materni-             Act no 22 of 2007 shall also pro-
        ty units, the regular conduct of            vide us with an opportunity to
        clinical audits, morbidity and              organize and capacitate our
        mortality meetings, and the                 Traditional Health Practitioners
        supervision of Primary Health               in working towards the inclusion
        Care facilities. We have trained            of African Traditional Medicine
        governance structure members                into our health system.
        on monitoring and evaluation,
        report writing, presentation skills         As regards women empower-
        and meeting procedures.                     ment, we have established and
                                                    launched six more Women in
        This training was intended to               Partnership against HIV/AIDS
        build the capacity of members               (WIPAA) structures, to ensure
        so that they can make meaning-              that the whole province is cov-
        ful contribution in the running of          ered. Forty women from WIPAA
        the department. Furthermore,                have been trained as basic
        the Provincial Health                       counselors for survivors of gen-
        Consultative Forum was held in              der based violence such as
        August 2007 in compliance with              rape, domestic violence and
        Section 61 of National Health               child abuse. Towards strength-
        Act which requires us to interact           ening this programme, the
        with the public to update them              department will form community

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        fora to strengthen our referrals          Deputy Speaker, youth skills
        for lay counseling for survivors          development clubs providing
        of gender based violence. We              catering and security services
        shall also provide basic training         have also been established and
        for caretakers and supporters of          registered as businesses in five
        HIV negative neglected children           youth centres. To expand on this
        who are prone to abuse and                we will roll out this initiative to
        contracting HIV.                          other youth centres. This shall
                                                  be with a view to enhancing
        As part of implementation of our          youth capacity to attain skills
        disability programme we have              and create jobs for themselves
        trained twenty five nurses and            to address the unemployment
        twenty five front line personnel          and alleviating poverty.
        in the first phase of the Sign
        Language. This was meant to               To strengthen our human
        enhance the capacity of health            resources, Deputy Speaker, we
        workers in making health servic-          shall intensify our efforts to
        es more accessible for the deaf           improve the working conditions
        community. This financial year,           and motivation levels of all our
        the second phase of the Sign              workers. To this end, acting
        Language training will be con-            through our Corporate Services
        ducted for fifty health care work-        Section, we shall continue to
        ers. We are also going to train           implement the Occupational
        forty young people on mobility            Specific Dispensation (OSD)
        and Instructors course in part-           and expand it so that it covers a
        nership with Umsobomvu Youth              broader spectrum of health pro-
        Fund and the South African                fessionals like medical doctors,
        Guide Dogs Association for the            dentists, medical and dental
        Blind. Towards youth, we have             specialists, pharmacists and
        managed to renovate three                 emergency medical personnel.
        youth centres at Kraaipan,                We shall also strengthen the
        Borakalalo and Khutsong. These            recruitment, appointment and
        youth centres operate as one              retention of personnel that are
        stop centres and are able to              critical to the delivery of our
        provide youth with access to              mandate; and to peak our per-
        clinical matters, reproductive            formance, we shall ensure that
        health services and computers.            our performance management

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        system is strengthened such             appropriation. Nevertheless,
        that the speedy change and              Deputy Speaker, we feel obligat-
        delivery that we are all enjoined       ed to seek your indulgence and
        to make true, through business          that of your august House to
        unusual, are indeed a lived             give us more support in pursuit
        experience.                             of those priorities which are criti-
                                                cal to our mandate but for which
        To improve our medical servic-          there is either insufficient or no
        es, we shall ensure that we pri-        required resources. For the
        oritize attraction and retention of     House's interest, the affected
        full time specialists for our terti-    priorities which require attention
        ary services. We shall also con-        so that they can be fully imple-
        tinue to strengthen tertiary            mented are: Integrated Health
        health links with academic insti-       Management Information sys-
        tutions and the private sector, as      tems, upgrading of our informa-
        was announced by the                    tion and communication tech-
        Honourable Premier on the               nologies infrastructure, EMRS
        occasion of her State of the            business Plan in preparation for
        Province Address in this august         2010 and Telemedicine Strategy.
        House in February 2008, herein          Beyond these, the following also
        therefore, is our confirmation          require attention in order to be
        that we shall set up a Centre of        fully implemented: the Human
        Excellence, with the University         Resources Plan, Transport
        of Witwatersrand Medical                Strategy, Health Technology
        School and a British non profit         strategy, Modernization of
        organization known as Ameca to          Tertiary Services, fully fledged
        enhance the capacity of the             Medico legal services, Revenue
        medical personnel to respond to         Management including debt
        health concerns of rural commu-         recovery, as well as physical
        nities.                                 infrastructure.

        Deputy Speaker, to carry out our        Therefore, Deputy Speaker, it is
        plans for the year 2008/09 the          our hope and trust that we shall
        department has been allocated           indeed obtain your favourable
        a total budget of R4,                   support with regard to the priori-
        222,549,000. As your servants,          ties we have identified above.
        we are indeed humbled by this           However, before I conclude I

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        would like to invite your support,      In conclusion, Deputy Speaker,
        and that of this august House to        allow me once again to assure
        approve the budget vote of R4,          the people of the North West
        222,549,000 of the North West           and the Legislature of the
        Department of Health. For effi-         department's commitment
        ciency and management pur-              towards ensuring that there's
        poses. This vote has been allo-         successful implementation of
        cated as follows in accordance          our plans. We undertake to
        with our budget programmes:             ensure there is prudent financial
                                                management and accountability
        Programme 1 Administration              in utilizing public funds which
        R174, 628: AGREED                       are appropriated by this House.
        Programme 2 District Health             Let me take this opportune
        Services R2, 052,040: AGREED            moment as I bow out to thank
        Programme 3 Emergency                   my husband Solly Rasmeni who
        Services R148, 309: AGREED              is sitted up there Ibhubesi and
        Programme 4 Provincial                  my kids for their support and
        /Hospital Services: R1, 084,885:        understanding throughout. You
        AGREED                                  were indeed a pillar of strength I
        Programme 5 Central Hospital:           could rely on. I would like to
        R117, 317: AGREED                       express my heartfelt thanks, as I
        Programme 6 Health Sciences             hereby do, to the Honourable
        and Training: R125, 288:                Premier of the North West
        AGREED                                  Province, Mme Edna Bomo
        Programme 7 Health Care                 Molewa for the support, assis-
        Support Services R129, 023:             tance and leadership she
        AGREED                                  accorded the department with
        Programme 8 Health Facilities           the greatest genius.
        Management R391, 060:
        AGREED                                  My heartfelt appreciation is also
                                                extended to other Members of
        Therefore, Deputy Speaker we            the Executive Council, and the
        ask of this noble House to sup-         Legislature for providing a plat-
        port this Budget Vote in its totali-    form for democratic debates on
        ty and the allocations per pro-         health matters of the province. I
        gramme.                                 know the intention was never to
                                                belittle our debates but at the

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        most to ensure that we indeed           quently referred to the portfolio
        deliver on our mandate of deliv-        committee for scrutiny.
        ering quality health care servic-       Thereafter there was an interac-
        es to our people. Deputy                tion between the department
        Speaker, my thanks also go out          and the committee. So after the
        to the Chairperson of the               interaction there were concerns
        Standing Committee on Health            raised by the committee and
        and its members, the Standing           they were as follows:
        Committee on Public Accounts,
        for relentlessly giving advice to       - The report on the two
        the department and keeping us           roomed health posts, number of
        on our toes and also to thank           these per district
        the management of the depart-           - Status of health posts offer-
        ment. Thank you very much               ing twenty four hour service.
        Honourable Deputy Speaker.              - There was a drop in terms of
                                                the expenditure pattern at
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                      96.2% of the budget Compared
        The only two Members of the             to 99.4% that was used for the
        Executive Council who have              2005/6 fiscal year.
        performed very well today are           - Community Health Centres
        Honourable Duma Ndleleni and            offering 8 hours service in the
        Honourable Nomonde Rasmeni.             province.
        She performed very well. Now I          - Rescue vehicle cannot be
        have the pleasure of inviting the       utilized due to shortage of
        chairperson of the portfolio            trained personnel. For example
        Committee on Health to present          when we went for an oversight
        the report to the House.                in Rustenburg, there was a res-
                                                cue vehicle which was fully
        HON. MAMPANE:                           equipped and could not be used
        Honourable Deputy Speaker,              because only the station manag-
        Members of the Executive coun-          er was skilled to use it. So
        cil, colleagues, departmental           whiles he was busy with admin-
        employees, different stakehold-         istrative work the vehicle would
        ers our honoured guests. As we          stand there and they would seek
        all know that the Strategic Plan        help from the Fire Department.
        of the Department of Health was         - Service is very poor at
        tabled in the House and subse-          Victoria Hospital even though

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        people are paying lot of money.         were therefore not individually
        - There are long queues in              bar coded for identification pur-
        public hospitals and patients are       poses or were required, written
        not being attended to on time.          off/ retired.
        We acknowledge the service
        that is been rendered by the            We then came with the following
        Bophelong Hospital but we are           resolutions:
        saying let it happen in all hospi-      - The department has to for-
        tal that we are having in the           ward the progress report offer-
        province.                               ing 24 hour services, though we
        - We still have shortage of             received that report but we did-
        Medical Personnel e.g. nurses,          n't go through it yet.
        doctors, specialists especially in      - The department has to effect
        rural areas.                            their recruitment and retention
        - Ambulances are still being            strategy.
        used as patient transport and           - There department should
        this result in the shortage of          budget for patients transport, as
        ambulances in cases of emer-            it is expensive to use ambu-
        gencies.                                lances for transporting patients.
        - We still have high incidents          - Increase number of rescue
        of ambulances involved in acci-         vehicles and skilled personnel to
        dents.                                  improve response time of ambu-
        - The machinery and equip-              lances.
        ment purchased during the year          - The department has to
        amounting to R11 206 597 had            ensure that all employees in all
        not being captured in the asset         our health institutions are adher-
        register or reflected as additions      ing to the Batho Pele principles.
        and therefore constitutes under-        - To come up with a strategy to
        statement of assets.                    decrease the infant mortality
        - There is high infant mortality        rate.
        rate in the province because of         - There is a need for better
        the lack of systems in place to         management of hospitals that
        monitor.                                will ensure there are no long
        - Certain assets purchased in           queues and shortage of medi-
        bulk were recorded as a single          cines.
        asset in the register and not as        - Ambulance drivers to be
        individual items. These assets          taken for advanced driving

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        courses, to minimize ambulance          Honourable Matladi.
        accidents. It was our wish that
        ambulance drivers should be             HON. MATLADI:
        taken for advance driving cours-        Honourable Deputy Speaker I
        es to minimize ambulance acci-          have already greeted the
        dents                                   House. When one is sick the
        - The department should inter-          place one thinks of, which can
        vene in the Victoria Hospital to        improve ones condition and
        ensure better services rendered         relief one from pain is the hospi-
        because even if it is a private         tal. In the North West some
        hospital it is serving our commu-       people have had a negative
        nity.                                   experience from a place where
                                                they thought they will heal which
        In conclusion, Deputy Speaker           claim to be the place which
        you know I am very economic             worsens their condition. In
        with time. Despite the limited          recent report to the House, the
        budget that the department is           Department of Health has lost
        having, it showed improvement           some cases others not defend-
        by rendering quality service to         ed against patients that through
        our communities. The commit-            negligence lost some parts of
        tee therefore commended the             their bodies, some parts so valu-
        department on its impressive            able to include even sexual
        strategic plan/budget presenta-         organs or being having a sexual
        tion and also requests the              dysfunction.
        House to approve the budget for
        2008/09 financial year. The             I will read and refer. It is not a
        committee gave the department           joke. It is very serious. This
        a timeframe of 6 months to              cases have caused the depart-
        implement the resolutions taken         ment huge amount of money
        by the committee and then the           and Honourable Deputy
        committee will exercise its over-       Speaker, we want to know
        sight role to monitor progress          measures that the department
        made. Ke a leboga                       has put into place to prevent fur-
                                                ther occurrences of such cases
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                      if not to reduce them. I've got
        Thank you Honourable                    cases that I can refer to you
        Mampane. Our next speaker is            now. The case of C.D. Leteane

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        was paid R67 000 by the                 use the funds for something
        department. Another case of             else. Now what we are saying
        Aletta Kock who was also paid           to the department is that they
        R25000 by the department, the           must do follow up such munici-
        other case of Sanie Duba who            palities and retrieve the funds to
        has been paid R 1, 460, 773 I           be used for what they are meant
        can go on but what I need to do         for.
        is to go straight to the total that
        the department has lost in deal-        We have looked into other
        ing with this cases to the              regions Bophirima, Bojanala,
        amount of R10, 9 560,606, 42            Moses Kotane and Rustenburg
        and next to the cause for the           and we have seen the list of
        department losing so much               health posts that have been
        money is written medical negli-         erected. We thank the depart-
        gence.                                  ment for having provided us with
                                                information. The department has
        Another problem experienced by          a challenge of infrastructure. A
        the department is the high infant       backlog of clinics and hospitals
        mortality rate. And I want to           to be build as well as buildings
        believe that amongst many fac-          to be maintained. Out of 16 clin-
        tors attribute to that mortality        ics to be build by public works
        rate is again negligence. The           on 6 had been build and there is
        committee is been given a               a delay regarding the erection of
        report about the budget which           Vryburg and the Moses Kotane
        was given to municipalities to          Hospitals. Conditions of mortu-
        build health posts or what we           aries in some of the hospital are
        refer as people who are not in          upholing. Sewerage systems
        the Health Department as two            need maintenance, waste man-
        roomed clinics. This morning we         agement systems of others are
        have a report that outlined some        a health hazard to community
        of the issues that we would like        members.
        to know about what happened
        to the finances. We've got an           We believe that the department
        example of municipalities like          is in full cognizance of Batho
        Mafikeng Municipality that              Pele, it knows how this policy
        received this amount but did not        has to be implemented.
        build the health posts or rather        Nevertheless our patients are

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        still ill treated in these health       right to one of the best private
        institutions instant of receiving       hospitals in the province instead
        care. The Honourable MEC has            of getting healed in the nearby
        talked about the purchase of            provinces. The department has
        ambulances about 12 of them in          improved in their financial man-
        the previous financial year. We         agement although we regret the
        are happy for the purchase. We          fact it has to loose its Chief
        caution the department that the         Financial Officer. From a dis-
        allocation criteria should be           claimer to a qualified report that
        looked into because in the previ-       is indeed an improvement for
        ous financial year we could             the 2006/07. Yet the list of items
        understand it was skewed it was         to be attended to coming from
        not evenly distributed especially       the Auditor General is still end-
        the rural parts of the province         less which means that we can-
        always are without EMS. It is           not be complaisant we still need
        difficult for clinics to operate for    to go and attend them. We urge
        24hours even those that are             the department to perform a
        registered to be of service for 24      serious monitoring role to the
        hours and the department has            Provincial Council on AIDS it
        always given reasons for this           has never been of the ground to
        but we are not convinced. We            an extent that SCOPA has to
        believe work has to be done.            come with strict resolutions that
                                                were adopted by the House.
        The department is applauded for         Honourable Deputy Speaker we
        the improvement at Bophelong            need an account on the imple-
        Provincial Hospital. The new            mentation of these resolutions.
        section that operates there is          As we are delivering, HIV/AIDS
        indeed a positive strives. While        is busy taking our people but we
        appreciating this improvement           are very slow in doing what is
        one feels disappointed regard-          suppose to be done in order to
        ing the state of Victoria Hospital      help even those who are
        when standard has dropped and           already suffering from this epi-
        people of the North West are            demic.
        always running to Gauteng
        Private Hospital in order to get        To highlight my concern the fol-
        healed. We believe that as              lowing findings were made on
        South Africans we also have the         HIV/AIDS:

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        - Include inadequate monitor-           tals have been up to scratch the
        ing by management which                 percentages that has been
        resulted in professional                reported show that work has
             nurses resulting not attend-       been done in the department
        ing the training as required.           there is an improvement.
        - Medicine inventory shortages
        during the year at certain institu-     As I close my debate chairper-
        tions                                   son ke rata gore ke re vote e ya
        - No registers maintained for           health, e fete e phase gonne go
        campaigns                               a bonagala gore go na le kwa
        - No promotional material was           lefapha le yang teng. Ke a lebo-
        available at certain premises           ga.
        - Female condoms shortage at
        certain clinics                         HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        - Computers and printers                Our next speaker is Honourable
        were not available at certain           Hattingh.
        institutions.
                                                HON. HATINGH:
        As I am nearing the ending of           Honourable Deputy Speaker I
        my debate Deputy Speaker in             think when one looks at where
        the meeting that we had with the        the department comes from and
        department I sighted the agree-         may I refer to the Sefularo lega-
        ment that this department had           cy, I think the department has
        with COSAS accreditation                come a long way to overcome
        progamme and I was referring            the Sefularo legacy through the
        to two hospitals that could not         years. Although some of them is
        obtain anything above 20% and           still left there. I mean in the
        because of that reason were             Sefularo days I was almost
        remove from accreditation pro-          apprehended at the gates of the
        gramme. The department plays            Jubilee Hospital when I wanted
        deaf or not even remembering            to do a visit. Nowadays I am
        what they were and they kept on         even treated with tea while the
        saying tell what hospital you are       managers are making friendly
        talking about. Today I am telling       calls to the MEC. But you see I
        you these hospitals being               was allowed to the premises.
        Jubilee and George Stegman.             That is what I call progress. But
        We are happy that other hospi-          we still need to make progress

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        on overcoming that legacy.              all considerably higher as the
                                                South African average. The
        Honourable Deputy Speaker,              increase in infant mortality which
        what is of concern and it should        indicate the probability of dying
        be to all of us is that the North       before the first year of life or
        West Province receives the              during the first year of life went
        least smallest budget in South          out from 3.68% in 6.91% that
        Africa and that comes through           was the statistics given to us
        the national fiscas. Why should         and that was in a five year peri-
        we be satisfied, why should we          od.
        be modest? Certainly our needs
        in the vast rural areas are more        An increase of child mortality
        than the organized areas like           and that is children age under
        Gauteng. The capita spending            five short up from 4.53% to 7.6
        on Health in the North West             % during the same period this is
        announced to R767 per capita            a serious reprimand that the
        and is considerable less than           North West should get the budg-
        the weighed national average of         et that should address our
        R1 014 per capita. It is 70%.           health problems and should be
        Why should we be happy and              getting along with the rest of
        satisfied by that?                      South Africa. Further more an
                                                obligation of the department to
        A promise perhaps we can                spend this budget once we get it
        relate to the Northern Cape.            and should get it timeously and
        Their capita spending on health         efficiently. According to World
        R1 248 indicating that we are far       Health Organization and the UN
        behind and we are in the worst          Children's Fund preventable
        position of all the nine provinces      disease such as respiratory
        of South Africa. Obviously that         infections like Pneumonia,
        will extrapolate …[ inaudible].         Malaria, Diarrhea, Measles and
        The low health expenditure              Malnutrition are identified as key
        affects on the statistics provided      leading causes of child mortality
        for causes of premature mortali-        in developing countries and we
        ty in the North West. Premature         are experiencing it in the North
        death caused by HIV/AIDS is             West Province.
        39.6%, lower respiratory tract
        infection is 5.6% and TB is 5.1%        HIV/AIDS accounts for 40% of

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        child mortality and in the North        fessional training. Provincial
        West Pneumonia has been                 heads blame lack of capacity.
        identified by the department as         But in order to get the grants in
        been dominant in childhood. In          the first place, they had to apply
        the childhood disease pattern           to the DG of the National
        and that may be an indication           Department of Health, certifying
        for higher under five mortality         that they are able to comply with
        rate in the North West Province.        the conditions which include that
        This can also be linked to the          they do have the capacity to
        lack of proper funding that the         spend those funds. Which they
        child mortality death related to        now claim after they did not
        HIV/AIDS in the North West              spend it that they don't have.
        Province is increasing. That's          Now how does it impact on the
        about funding. Honourable               North West Province? The
        Deputy Speaker yesterday in             name of the North West
        Parliament the National SCOPA           Province specifically mentioned
        threatens provincial health             at national SCOPA because we
        departments on real harsh terms         failed to spend R283 million on
        setting them with prison terms if       the hospital revitalization grants.
        they continue to conceal the            Honourable Deputy Speaker this
        lack of capacity in their depart-       has been coming with us for a
        ments in order to receive condi-        long time and there were warn-
        tional grants for central govern-       ings in the quarterly reports from
        ment. Vincent Smith, he's the           treasury that this is happening
        chairperson, ANC member said            but I think we need to build the
        it is against the PFMA and the          capacity, bring back the capacity
        ANC prescribed penalties or five        in the department MEC to meet
        years imprisonment. This how            the criteria that can be judged
        serious it is.                          fairly on the ability to can spend
                                                very scarce resources and that
        The members of SCOPA were               is money.
        feeling very frustrated by the
        fact that when questioned about         Honourable Deputy Speaker the
        the failure to account timeously        third issue that I like to touch on
        for money being spend on con-           is the Provincial Council on
        ditional grants are hospital revi-      AIDS. Now Honourable many
        talization, HIV/AIDS, health pro-       Members had make calls that it

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        be disbanded, but what is really         Honourable Hattingh for atleast
        encouraging that there is the            for once that despite substantive
        revitalized effort led by the            issues that we have to raise on
        Deputy President to revitalize           this vote, the performs of this
        councils on AIDS. I think we can         department over the years
        do very well by also getting our         shows remarkable improvement.
        Provincial Council on AIDS to            Let me just refer you back to the
        get inline with the national initia-     days where hospital were very
        tives. There was also a meeting          dirty, without facilities, there
        on Tuesday chaired by the                were barely management sys-
        Deputy President where it was            tems, the supply and mainte-
        decided that the council's over-         nance of medicine was very
        sight of the national strategic          chaotic we remember when the
        plan of HIV/AIDS should be               morale of staff was very low and
        strengthened and SANEC                   there was high staff turn over in
        should work hand in hand with            the department, when actually
        provinces. And that every                the penetration of health servic-
        provincial council should have           es within the rural areas and
        atleast one representative on            informal settlements and arm
        the National AIDS Council.               dwellings was very low. That sit-
                                                 uation has now been turned
        Honourable Deputy Speaker                around and we must be thankful
        with those few words I want to           to the management in the
        conclude by saying that we sup-          Department of Health for this
        port the budget and the good             progress.
        work that is being done in the
        department. I thank you.                 We now think as the portfolio
                                                 committee the management
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                       systems within the department
        Honourable Hattingh is amongst           are well integrated both at
        Honourable Members who have              provincial and district level and
        done very well in terms of time. I       facility level. We wish to urge
        now invite the Honourable                the department to continue to
        Madoda.                                  maintain this good management
                                                 system. Honourable Deputy
        HON. MADODA:                             Speaker this department is after
        Dankie chair. I agree with               the Department of Education. It

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        is also the biggest. It takes           have heard a singular a rare
        around 25% of the budget of             privilege of being admitted to
        this province and I am sure             Bophelong Hospital. I am there-
        Honourable MEC is aware that it         fore qualified to say something
        requires good leadership and            about the services of that hospi-
        stewardship. And the way we             tal and I want to that. Bophelong
        have interacted with her so far it      Provincial and Victoria Private
        is very clear that she takes that       Hospitals look like a refugee
        responsibility very serious.            camp. For God sake
                                                Honourable MEC let Victoria
        As I argue Honourable Deputy            improve. As Honourable Matladi
        Speaker on the safety budget,           was saying, it is sinful that we
        that collaboration various              see patients from Mafikeng trav-
        departments and other players           eling to Klerksdorp and
        in the growth of drug abuse and         Johannesburg to seek medical
        alcohol and smoking especially          attention. We will therefore sup-
        amongst young people needs              port any means Honourable
        ongoing attention. We all know          MEC where you will strengthen
        the role of alcohol and drugs in        the existence of the private
        the growth of HI/VAIDS, crime           wards in our public hospitals
        and other diseases. Therefore           because we think that they are
        this particular problem places a        far much better than in this case
        responsibility on us as the             Victoria Hospital.
        Department of Health to contin-
        ue to collaborate with other            There at some point Honourable
        department like sports and              MEC of abuse of emergency
        social services to deal with this       vehicles by careless and inexpe-
        time bomb. There is this prob-          rienced drivers who are in the
        lem of health facilities that are       employ of the department this
        not delivered on time. We call          has resulted in us not being able
        on the department to continue to        to build a well intake stock of
        work with the Department of             vehicles for the service. We
        Public Works to find ways to            request that the department to
        improve the delivery health facil-      continue to pay the attention to
        ities.                                  this problem to ensure our driv-
                                                ers take care of our resources.
        Honourable Deputy Speaker I             The fact that the department

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        has escalated the intake of stu-         sion of health services. We
        dents nurses in the colleges is          believe that this can only bring
        commendable. This is central to          more ownership among our peo-
        attacking the problem of short-          ple for their own health. We
        age of critical staff especially in      therefore urge Honourable MEC
        poorly resourced areas. Nursing          to and build partnership to deliv-
        however Honourable MEC is                er health services
        one of the mainly skills that we
        need in our health facility. We          Honourable Deputy Speaker,
        therefore plead that the recruit-        this department has been
        ment and retention of this skills        spending no less than R40 mil-
        to poor areas remains the area           lion per year on laboratory serv-
        that you focus on and that gov-          ices. This will escalate to R60
        ernment support you in increas-          million for the fiscal year 2010.
        ing allowances, provision of             By any standard this is very
        rural allowances, housing and            high. We do understand that
        any other facility that will lead to     however it is necessary to be
        retain staff in poorly resourced         spending here. We call on the
        areas.                                   department to look at how they
                                                 could re-structure this approach
        Honourable Hattingh has                  so that we mitigate this high
        already spoken about the issue           cost. Again we need to continue
        of high infant mortality. In com-        to infuse in our management
        parison to other provinces we            systems the value of giving
        find that infant mortality in the        good service at progressively
        North West is on average on              cost effective ways at whatever
        higher than the national percent-        level. In conclusion we wish the
        age, we therefore request that           department well in this financial
        the department looks into this           year. I thank you.
        matter and confront it forthwith.
        We noted that the department             HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        committed itself to improving the        I have the pleasure to invite
        room and effectiveness with              Honourable Rasmeni to respond
        partnership with groups such as          to the debate.
        the youth commission, NGOs,
        private sector and communities           HON. MEC RASMENI:
        in order to strengthen the provi-        Thank you very much

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        Honourable Deputy Speaker.              want to be the good Member of
        Going straight to the questions         this House. To the issue of the
        and comments raised. I would            health posts, I was talking to the
        like to take this opportunity to        chairperson of this committee
        thank the Members who have              this morning that the health
        debated in this budget speech,          posts is like the ghost that is
        for the support that they have          refusing to die. It keeps on com-
        given to the department and             ing back. You deal with it but it
        also the comments and for com-          keeps on coming back.
        mending the department for its
        improved or if I may say out-           So I hope today I will deal with
        standing performance compared           this matter and put it to rest. We
        to the previous years of which          also welcome the comments
        was really proud of the depart-         made by members of the com-
        ment and this also give us more         mittee to say that they have
        energy and also more excite-            observed some progress in this
        ment to go back and do our              department. In Bojanala I would
        work much better than we have           say 99% health posts that have
        done before.                            been built, they have been offi-
                                                cially opened and are operat-
        The chairperson of the commit-          ing. Also in Bophirima District is
        tee in her report also alluded to       the same. In Ngaka Modiri
        the fact that the department            Molema we are having problems
        should forward certain reports          as they have mentioned here.
        that emanated from the deliber-         As a department we have inter-
        ations that took place between          vened we are helping those
        the department and the standing         areas that are experiencing
        committee, whereby the commit-          some problems. We are going
        tee and this House would like to        to try and deal with this matter
        have more information so that           and put it to rest. Same thing in
        they can be more informed               the Kenneth Kauda District we
        about the activities that the           have intervened as a depart-
        department is engaged in.               ment to deal with this matter.
        Deputy Speaker, I won't go
        through all the questions one by        The department has actively
        one trying to avoid to upset the        addressed the adverse man-
        Honourable Deputy Speaker. I            agement through accreditation

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        of hospitals. I have seen it is         performance agreement to
        true and internationally accredit-      ensure that this principle is
        ed organization. The realign-           being implemented by all
        ment of the adverse events              employees starting from the
        investigation through the launch        highest level to the lowest.
        of the patient safety group, this       Regular patients safety surveys
        group tries to respond to the           are done in each and every
        question of cases that we have          facility we have in the province
        lost at the department and              and patients complain box are
        resulted in us paying large sum         also there in our facilities partic-
        of money. We have launched              ular in the hospitals. The critical
        this patient safety policy or           issue that has been raised by
        guideline aimed at assisting            several Members here is the
        doctors, nurses the manage-             higher infant mortality rate in the
        ment. It's a tool that helps them       province. Indeed this is still the
        to avoid the causes of these            problem. We are trying by al
        cases in the department. The            means to find ways and means
        second programme that we                of addressing this problem.
        have launch is called Triach            Members will remember that last
        Programme which categorizes             year at some stage a report was
        the patients. There are three           developed to identify the extent
        levels of categories. The emer-         of the problem in the province
        gency cases patients, second            which was tabled before the
        emergency and stabilized                standing committee. We are put-
        patients. These issues are trying       ting monitoring system to try
        to deal or do away with the             and mitigate and also reduce
        problem of finding ourselves            this serious problem that we are
        dealing with negligence cases           having.
        and find ourselves paying large
        sum of monies.                          The suggest or recommendation
                                                that has been made by the com-
        The issue of Batho-Pele we are          mittee that we need to develop
        dealing with this issue on almost       a strategy that is aimed at
        on daily basis there is an ongo-        addressing this particular prob-
        ing inservice training, we have         lem is well received. That strate-
        workshops. We have Batho Pele           gy will be tabled before the com-
        as part of senior management            mittee. Honourable Hattingh the

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        issue of the capita spending has        gramme by programme
        been discussed on several lev-
        els. The EXCO has deliberated           Programme 1 Administration
        on it extensively. It is receiving      R174, 628 AGREED
        attention. The Provincial Council       Programme 2 District Health
        on AIDS (PCA) the SANEC                 Services R2, 052,040 AGREED
        meeting that has been raised            Programme 3 Emergency
        here; indeed we have been               Services R148, 309 AGREED
        invited to this meeting. We sent        Programme 4 Provincial
        some representatives to this            /Hospital services: R1, 084,885
        meeting to also benchmark on            AGREED
        how best we can review the              Programme 5 Central Hospital:
        Provincial Council on AIDS              R117, 317 AGREED
        structure. We are instructed by         Programme 6 Health Sciences
        the EXCO to see to it on how            and Training: R125, 288
        best we can do to ensure that           AGREED
        this council is performing well         Programme 7 Health Care
        guided by the guidelines that           Support Services R129, 023
        are developed at the SANEC              AGREED
        level. So we are dealing with           Programme 8 Health Facilities
        this matter. I am sure the              Management R391, 060
        processes that have been                AGREED
        unfolding, the appointment of
        the CEO of the board will also          Does the House approve the
        assist us in turning that structure     budget ? [Approved.] Before we
        around. Deputy Speaker, some            move to the next item the MEC
        of the issues that are raised           for Social Development requests
        here we will on our daily contact       me to makethis announcement
        and interaction with the commit-        that guests invited for Social
        tee and this Legislature share          Development which was sched-
        on how are addressing this              uled for 14H00 due to the
        issues. Thank you very much.            change of programme here that
                                                has changed. The MEC says
        HON. DEP. SPEAKER:                      that the arrangement made at
        Honourable Members, I am now            the Hotel School where those
        inviting the House to run quickly       guests will assemble there for
        through this Budget Vote pro-           some relaxation. I am told that

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        dinner is arranged immediately          HON. DEP. SPEAKER:
        after this Sitting. The                 We have reached the end of the
        Department of Health also               business for today. The House
        requested me to announce that           will adjourn until Thursday the
        there will be a Gala Dinner in          5th of June 2008 at 9h00.
        SABC Hall at 19h00.
                                                   HOUSE ADJOURNED UNTIL
        SECRETARY: NEXT ITEM                       THURSDAY 5TH JUNE 2008
        CLOSURE




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