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					 1                 TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED INTERVIEW OF BRAD CONWAY
 2                     CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL ERIC EDWARDS
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                                   CASE NUMBER 10-86155
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                        ASSOCIATED WITH CASE NUMBER 08-74777
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                                RECORDED OCTOBER 3, 2010
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                                   TYPED OCTOBER 5, 2010
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                              CE – CORPORAL ERIC EDWARDS
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                                SA – SERGEANT JOHN ALLEN
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                                       BC – BRAD CONWAY

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     Today’s date is October 3rd, 2010, it’s approximately 5:57 p.m.. Corporal Eric
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     Edwards, Orange County Sheriff's Office sitting with.. (SA) Sergeant John Allen
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     And can you state your name for please sir?
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     BC    Brad Conway.
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     CE    Brad, can you state your date of birth for me?
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17   BC    September 10th, 1965.

18   CE    You swear that everything you say today is going to be true?

19   BC    I do.

20   CE    And you’re.. it’s gonna be given under the understanding that you were served a
21         subpoena is that correct?
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     BC    That is.
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     CE    Okay. Brad, I’ve reached out to you I believe it was on the 20th of last month.
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           Because during the course of a parallel investigation to the Anthony Homicide.
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           Um, a name that we’ve been aware of for a little over a year ah, resurfaced. And


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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        in doing so and knowing that you had had an opportunity to review the
 2        EquuSearch Sheets. Um, do to your involvement in the Anthony Case um, I
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          wanted to reach out to you and see if you’re familiar with a name. That name
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          was Laura Buchanan. Is.. is that correct?
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     BC   That’s correct.
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     CE   Okay and also um, what had motivated me to reach out to you and ask you that
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          question is that have recently um, I guess for a lack of a better term, resigned
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          from representation of the Anthony’s?
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     BC   I no longer represent George and Cindy Anthony.

11   CE   Okay and I know I re.. I recalled you made a statement that you could potentially

12        be called in as a witness. Um, can you explain to me why that statement was

13        made and what potential for that?

14   BC   On the sur.. on the surface of it Mr. Baez filled a motion with the court in which he
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          claimed that I had had assess to Tex.. Texas EquuSearch records under
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          circumstances that were untrue. And that I was given let’s say preferential
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          treatment, that was also untrue. So, that was on the surface those statements
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          that he basically swore to in filing this with the court. That was untrue, but he
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          also claimed that at some point that I had information that would I guess
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          corroborate their claim that, that Caylee’s body wasn’t there um, when their client
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          was out of jail. And that was not true. And I realized having reviewed the Texas
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23        EquuSearch records, that I may potentially be a witness later on in the event that

24        records were called into question. I was one of the first people um, outside of

25        Tim Miller and his lawyer Mark NeJame, that had access to those records. In



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        fact when Mark NeJame told me I could look at those records and told me why
 2        his exact words were, “They’re basically in pristine condition. I haven’t even
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          looked through the whole set of records. And he pointed to the two boxes sitting
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          in his office.
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     CE   Okay, my recollection of that to was maybe the argument was why.. why would
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          the Anthony family and their lawyer have access to records that we as a defense
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          team can’t even have access to yet? Now, now as you talk about that I think I
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          remember something along that line. Um, this is Ducus-Tecum Subpoena and
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          we had requested documents um, that may pertain to the name Laura Buchanan

11        or direction given by the defense regarding documents. And ah, when we

12        arrived... provided three sheets (Inaudible)... is that correct?

13   BC   That’s correct.

14   CE   Okay. The first marked April 7th, 2009 um, and that.. can you tell me about that
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          communication?
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     BC   This is a letter that I received from Mr. Baez um, dated April 7, 2009, requesting
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          certain items from the Anthony’s home ah, that.. that he wanted to review or, or
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          examine. And in addition to that um, he asked that I look into EquuSearch files
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          that I would have access to and that I look.. would look into ‘em in a specifically
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          listed several names.
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     CE   Okay.
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23   BC   But he listed Keith Williams, Roy Kronk, Howard Earl Tate, Sedrick Lamont Kirby

24        and Alfonso Hamilton.

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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   Did.. do you have any recollection as why he was interested in those particular
 2        individuals?
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     BC   The only one that jumped out was Roy Kronk, because he.. he’s the one that
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          ultimately found Caylee’s ah, remains.
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     CE   Then.. and before we move onto the other sheets. That request, did you ever act
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          upon that request? Did you act upon that request? Did you actually look for
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          those names for him on the EquuSearch documents when you had a chance to
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          review them?
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     BC   On this list the only one that I looked for was Roy Kronk.

11   CE   And did you find anything with Roy Kronk’s name on it?

12   BC   I did not. And that was not because he asked me to. It’s because Roy Kronk

13        was involved and I was being thorough on behalf of my clients.

14   CE   Okay. So, on that date um, he was reaching out to you to act as an agent to
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          review those Texas EquuSearch documents to look for those names? Just so
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          I’m not missing anything in translation.
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     BC   Correct.
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     CE   Okay.
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     BC   And April 7th he asked me. This is my letter.
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     CE   Now April 20th, is the second sheet of paper. Can you tell me about that memo?
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          (Inaudible)...
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23   BC   I never responded to his April 7th, request to look at, look for these specific

24        names. Never called him, never wrote him a letter in regard to it. So, on April

25        20th, um, I get another letter that says, “This letter is written pursuant to our initial



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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        correspondence to your office dated April 7th, 2009. The April 7th letter I’ve
 2        turned over to you. Um, and it says, “As you know we are in urgent need of the
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          items.” And then it also reiterates the previous letter asked that we provided it
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          with information from the EquuSearch files. So..
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     CE   Can I, can I look at that? When you just read that something caught my eye. “As
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          you know we are in urgent need of the items discussed in our previous request.”
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          Um, what items?
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     BC   Those…
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     CE   Is.. is.. above and beyond looking for names are you asked to recover anything?

11   BC   No, desktop and laptops..

12   CE   Oh okay.

13   BC   …from the Anthony family.

14   CE   Alright.
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     SA   Did he indicate why they were in urgent need? Did you have a conversation with
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          him?
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     BC   No and I didn’t intend to turn them over anyway. Because I didn’t know why he
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          would want, want their, their computers at this late date. You know now we’re
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          you know way into this case and he’s wanting stuff that’s already been examined.
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     CE   Alright. And I think before we move to item number three that third sheet of
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          paper. Um, well let’s cover that. You … Go ahead.
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23   SA   Yeah. (Inaudible)...

24   CE   (Inaudible)... Um, you stated that (Inaudible)... provided to you by who?

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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   This is a letter dated February 12th, 2010. And this letter was provided to me by
 2        Mark NeJame although it is supposedly or purportedly authored by my clients’
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          George and Cindy Anthony. Um, I did not become aware of this letter until Mr.
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          NeJame forwarded it to me. Um, it’s a letter that supposedly withdraws the
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          Anthonys’ previous Waiver of Conflict. In other words, George and Cindy
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          Anthony waived any conflict between them and Mark NeJame. In Mark NeJame
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          representing Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch. So, this letter was solicited by
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          Mr., Baez without my knowledge, without my consent and I didn’t even know
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          about it until it was given to me by a separate attorney, that attorney being Mark

11        NeJame.

12   CE   This is during the time that you actually represented the family though?

13   BC   That’s correct.

14   CE   Okay.
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     SA   So, you get a letter, you get a letter ah, that was sent to Mark NeJame from your
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          clients. That you never saw that was given to NeJame by Mark.. ah, by Mr.
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          Baez?
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     BC   That’s correct.
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     SA   Um, neither of.. neither of us are attorneys. Is that, is that normal ah, a normal
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          way to do business between attorneys?
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     BC   No.
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23   SA   Okay.

24   BC   Actually absolutely not.

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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   Okay um, let me.. let me go to ah, there’s a couple names I want to discuss with
 2        you. The first name I’d like to ask you about is ah, the name I asked about on
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          the 20th. Are you familiar with the name of Laura Buchanan?
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     BC   Yes.
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     CE   What.. when I say that name what.. what comes to mind?
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     BC   Request that Mr. Baez made specifically to me in regard to Laura Buchanan.
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     CE   Okay can you tell me more about the request? ‘Cause I don’t.. her name’s not in
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          this memo or this letterhead.
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     BC   When I received the February… or I’m sorry the April 20 letter. Saying that I

11        never responded to the April 7th, letter. We had a telephone conversation in

12        which he added um, which he specifically asked me to review the EquuSearch

13        files for Laura Buchanan and anything, any documents that might be in there ah,

14        from her, regard to her.
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     CE   Did you ever do that?
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     BC   I did.
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     CE   And what was the outcome of that?
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     BC   I found no documents, no maps, no narrative from Lorie.. Laura Buchanan.
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     CE   And when did that search occur?
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     BC   Of the EquuSearch files?
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     CE   Um, yes sir.
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23   BC   Roughly June of 2009. I’m giving you my best guess on that.

24   CE   Did he ever, did he ever tell you what the sense of urgency was or what the.. why

25        it was so important to get her forms or look for her name rather?



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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   Supposedly she would be able to corroborate the allegation that.. Caylee’s body
 2        was not where it was ultimately found during the EquuSearch searchers time in
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          the woods.
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     CE   And how was she gonna be able to do that?
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     BC   There were supposedly documents.
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     CE   How do you know that?
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     BC   From Mr. Baez.
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     CE   Do you remember any specific verbage?
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     BC   That there were documents. I didn’t know what he meant by documents.

11   CE   Who had the documents?

12   BC   I don’t know. He was asking me to look in EquuSearch. I never saw documents

13        so…

14   CE   Did he ever ask you to contact Laura Buchanan to recover documents?
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     BC   Yes.
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     CE   He did?
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     BC   Yes.
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     CE   So, one could assume if he was asking you to contact Laura Buchanan to
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          recover documents. Then she must be in possession of documents that you
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          wouldn’t have been able to locate in EquuSearch’s boxes anyway?
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     BC   That’s what I assumed.   But it didn’t make sense to me that she would have
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23        documents that wouldn’t be in the Texas EquuSearch documents. So, when it

24        started stand out in my mind I’m being asked repeatedly about Laura Buchanan.

25        I don’t know who this person is. She’ never contacted me, I’ve never contacted



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                               Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        her, but the name keeps coming up. So, it’s peeking my curiosity because if
 2        she’s got these documents that are so important to the defense of his client.
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          Why is he asking me, I just represent his client’s parents. Why is it my job to get
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          what would be you know important exculpatory evidence? Why is he asking me
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          to do it? Why isn’t he getting it or his investigator or somebody that is directly
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          representing Casey Anthony, not her parents’ lawyer?
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     CE   Did you.. and let me, let me, let me get this straight. Did you ever.. were ever of
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          the impression that the documents that Laura Buchanan had. Were different
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          documents then you.. Where you just looking for her name when you did the

11        review? Or were you actually looking for the same documents that Jose felt she

12        may have?

13   BC   I was looking for documents from her because I was never shown documents. I

14        was never said, you’re gonna see a document titled whatever. Just…
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     CE   What was the goal on looking for her name when you reviewed the EquuSearch
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          documents then? In.. in NeJame’s office?
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     BC   That those documents would be important in helping him defend his client.
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     CE   Okay. That’s why I’m just.. that’s why I just trying to get you.. if.. if you remember
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          specific words or just your recollection. Were you, were you sent there to look for
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          her name and documents or a particular document? Or just her name?
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     BC   I was sent there to look for documents.
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23   CE   Documents.

24   BC   He was asking me to look for documents.

25   CE   Okay. At the same time he was asking you to call her to get documents?



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   Yes.
 2   CE   Which is, which is odd.
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     SA   How many times did he ask you to call Laura Buchanan?
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     BC   He asked me to call Laura Buchanan sometime after April 20th, shortly after April
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          20th, 2009. Phone conversation he asked me. He um, again asked me at a
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          hearing, which would’ve been after April. I would’ve been.. actually it would have
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          been after May of 2009, one of the hearings that we attended ah, he asked me
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          there. And then.. he also asked me in.. in February of 2010, he asked me,
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          which takes us back to ah, the document that Mr. NeJame sent to me. I was

11        extremely angry that another lawyer had assisted or solicited a legal document

12        from my clients. And we had a conversation about that, not a pleasant one.

13        And towards the end of it and let’s just call it the makeup phase of the

14        conversation. Ah, I was asked, “By the way did you ever get a hold of any of the
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          documents or ever talk to Laura Buchanan?”
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     CE   And your response was?
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     BC   No.
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     CE   So, he’s still felt she had the documents as of February, 2010?
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     BC   It was odd to me that he was asking me this in.. in 2010 because in 2009 we’d
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          gone through Joe Jordan and.. and other individuals that had supposedly
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          exculpatory information and then it didn’t pan out. So, now you know we’re into
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23        February 2010, and now where Buchanan is coming up again. Ah, we’re.. you

24        know ah, ten months, nine, ten months after he first started asking me about

25        Laura Buchanan and these documents that would help his client out. And he’s



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1         still asking me if.. if “I” ever got a hold of her? If “I” ever got these documents?
 2         And again that strikes me as extremely bizarre that documents that would be that
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           important if they existed, wouldn’t be in his hands by now. And again…
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     CE(Inaudible)...
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     BC    …why is he asking me?
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     CE    So, he didn’t ask you to go to NeJame’s office and snag paperwork out of the
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           boxes? That’s.. that’s what I’m trying to get at there. He asked you specifically
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           call “her” to recover documents? Now go over to NeJame’s office and pluck ‘em
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           out of the box and bring ‘em to him?

11   BC    He asked me to look for them in the Texas EquuSearch files.

12   CE    Uh-huh. (Affirmative)

13   BC    And he also asked that I contact her or take her phone call, get the documents

14         from her somehow independent of my review of the EquuSearch files.
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     SA    When you.. when, when he asked you about the ah, when he asked you in
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           February of 2010, about getting these records or these documents from ah,
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           Laura Buchanan. Did he indicate at hat point in February 2010, he still never
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           seen them?
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     BC    No he didn’t. And that’s what struck.. I thought that at that point I’m thinking,
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           Laura Buchanan that’s.. that.. that bridge should have been crossed already.
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     SA    What.. what did you get the impression his reason for asking you about the
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23         documents were and whether you’d contacted Laura Buchanan in February 2010

24         if he didn’t already have ‘em?

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                                   Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   I felt like he was asking me in order to figure out whether I knew that they existed
 2        or they didn’t exist. Or whether I had some independent knowledge of what
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          Laura Buchanan might or might now say.
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     SA   Did he ask you during that February, that 2010, conversation? Ah, was ah, was
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          (Inaudible)... would you still call her, would you still try to get the documents for
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          him?
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     BC   No it.. it felt more like he wanted to know had I ever spoken to her. Did she ever
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          tell me something? Did she ever give me anything? Um, it.. it was more like a
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          what did I know about it at that point.

11   CE   Ah, you had mentioned Joe Jordan. I’m sorry were you done with that flow?

12   SA   Yes.

13   CE   You had mentioned Joe Jordan. And I don’t want to jump around too much and

14        lose track here. But I know from doing a supplement investigation on the
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          Anthony Homicide Case. That Joe Jordan met with Mortimer Smith in October of
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          ’09. And he was shown documents that appeared to be original that were
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          authored by.. or the team leader was indicated to be this Laura Buchanan.
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          According to Joe Jordan. Now we fast forward to you saying, February of 2010,
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          which confusing me that the defense team is still looking for documents that
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          they’re already in possession of. So, it almost looks like they’re looking for you to
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          be um, I’m reading into that. Let me stop, let me stop myself. But at any rate I
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23        know that if they’re showing documents four months before they ask you if you’ve

24        gotten ‘em. It just confuses me. Can you shed any light on that?

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 1   BC   Again, I felt like he was trying to find out whether I was in possession of or had
 2        any knowledge of her.
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     CE   Okay.
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     BC   Her information. It.. it felt like a test question to me. It.. it.. and I don’t know how
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          to articulate it other then to say it was kind of ah, gut feeling that he was testing
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          me to see what.. asking me what I knew about it. In other words if I had said,
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          Yes I spoke to Laura Buchanan and she said, who the hell are you, you’re crazy.
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          Ah, he would know then that you know I knew that she didn’t have anything. And
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          I’m.. I’m just giving you an example because I didn’t know what the purpose of

11        that question was. But it was strange that he’s asking me February 2010, when

12        this has been going on for nine months and he.. he should have already had

13        those documents. So, why is he now asking me again?

14   SA   But he didn’t say at that point we have the documents?
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     BC   No he didn’t.
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     SA   Okay.
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     CE   Um, have you ever discuss these documents with Andrea Lyons or Mortimer
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          Smith or …
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     BC   No.
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     CE   No.
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     BC   Not Andrea Lyons, not Mortimer Smith.
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23   CE   Um, you had mentioned when we first started talking off tape there um, that you

24        attended a meeting in Baez’s office.

25   BC   Yes.



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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   Um, can you tell me about that again?
 2   BC   That was before we began the meeting, went in everybody shook hands, said
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          hello. And ah, at that point Mr. Baez asked me, “You know by the way have you
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          been able to get in touch with Laura Buchanan or has she gotten in touch with
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          you?? And ah, you know “have you gotten any information from her?
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          (Inaudible)...
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     CE   Was this a open. I’m sorry go ahead.
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     BC   By information ah, I believed he was talking about documents not, my name is
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          Laura Buchanan here’s my number call me.

11   CE   And this, this was a blanket.. this was a statement made where other people in

12        the room could hear it or was it kind of off to the side or..

13   BC   This was kind of off to the side just the two of us. Ah, there were people that

14        may have been able to overhear it I don’t know if anybody did.
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     CE   And this was the fall of ’09 and a rough estimate what month?
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     BC   Again I’m.. I’m guessing August, September maybe.
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     CE   And, and you’re answer was, no I don’t have.. or have I contacted…
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     BC   No I haven’t.. I haven’t talked to her and I don’t have any information.
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     SA   Did you get the impression at that point that he did or did not have the records or
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          was he still searching for the records?
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     BC   My feeling was he was still searching for ‘em because he’s asking me.
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23   SA   Right.

24   BC   Did I have… is.. did I ever as though there were some problem locating her. And

25        again it rubbed me the wrong way because we’re talking about a First Degree



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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        Murder Case with multiple investigators and lawyers. And now we’re at.. at this
 2        late point still having a hard time getting a hold of Laura Buchanan. That, that
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          didn’t make sense to me.
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     SA   Ah, there was, there was a point in time where he told you that she trying to get a
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          hold of you?
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     BC   (No verbal response.)
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     SA   He ever say that that to you that Laura Buchanan was trying to reach out to you
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          or had tried to reach out to you?
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     BC   He did not.

11   CE   Let me, let me..

12   SA   (Inaudible)... believe there… so.. so, he never asked you, there.. there ever a

13        point in time Jose Baez said to you, Laura Buchanan’s trying to get in touch with

14        you?
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     BC   He did not.
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     SA   Okay thank you.
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     CE   Without asking specific questions of any conversation between you and any
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          client. Did Jose Baez ever say to you, don’t worry about it Brad I’ll have
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          someone else take care of it?
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     BC   No he didn’t say that to me.
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     CE   Um, did he ever say, I’m asking you to do this because your client is asking me
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23        to ask you to do this?

24   BC   Ask me that again.

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                                   Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   Did, did he ever come out and say, Brad I want you to do this because one of the
 2        Anthonys is asking me to have you do it?
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     BC   No.
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     CE   No. Okay.
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     SA   Did he ever say anything, did he indicate to you that your clients were trying to
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          get him to get you to do ah, to do anything?
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     BC   No. No.
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     SA   Okay.
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     BC   It was him.

11   SA   Okay.

12   CE   Um, you had stated ah, um, Joe Jordan’s name and um, I know that that came

13        up.. that was kind of a touchy thing with Todd Macalooso and he ha, Todd the

14        attorney had said something in a hearing one time about um, that there was
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          specific evidence that would say that the body wasn’t there. Um, and, and he
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          related it to having Texas EquuSearch volunteers that could say that. One being
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          Joe Jordan. Is.. does ah, have you ever been a part of any conversations
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          regarding Joe Jordan?
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     BC   Yes.
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     CE   In that topic?
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     BC   Yes.
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23   CE   Can you tell me about those?

24   BC   I had a conversation with his lawyer Bill McClellan. Um…

25   CE   Joe Jordan’s lawyer?



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   Yes.
 2   CE   Okay.
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     BC   In regard to what Joe Jordan would say. Because they’re making a big deal
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          about his testimony. And again if.. if true that would be significant exculpatory
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          evidence for Casey Anthony. Um, and so I wanted to know what Joe Jordan
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          would say. ‘Cause at this point it’s all lawyers saying he would say this and
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          insinuating that he would you know be a good witness for them. So, I asked Bill
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          McClellan, what.. what is your client gonna say.
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     CE   Well let me back up before you tell me what he said. Did Macalooso or Baez

11        ever tell you what Joe Jordan’s testimony was going to be?

12   BC   No.

13   CE   Okay. Alright.

14   BC   So, I asked Bill McClellan, what.. what is he gonna say? If you, if you can tell
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          me, what.. what is Joe Jordan gonna say. Said that he was not in this specific
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          area where Caylee’s body was ultimately found.
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     CE   And what was your reaction to that little bit of information?
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     BC   Ah, that.. I wouldn’t have gone into court insinuating that he was a good witness
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          without talking to him first.
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     CE   What did the defense team, your recollection what did the defense team think
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          Joe Jordan was gonna say?
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23   BC   It as my belief that they would.. that they believed Joe Jordan would say, I was

24        there, it was dry, I didn’t find a body. She wasn’t there.

25   SA   How did you get that impression? Where did that information come from?



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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   Um, the fact that they were using him and naming him as a defense witness and
 2        they had actually had him.. they had him scheduled to testify that day and he
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          didn’t show up.
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     SA   Did you ever see a defense motion or anything ah, or a document where the
 5
          defense were saying they had.. that they had spoken to him? And that he said
 6
          that he had searched there and that it was dry? Did you ever see anything like
 7
          that?
 8
     BC   I didn’t see anything like that.
 9

10
     SA   Okay.

11   CE   Let me show you a motion that available on the internet. Um, on page two of a

12        motion that was filed it says, with attachments, but it’s um,.. I’ll label this Brad,

13        I’m gonna label article number one, that I’ve shown you and I’m just.. if you don’t

14        mind so I can keep track of it when I type. Just sign that for me. Give me your
15
          mark and then um, I want you to look at page one and two. See if that refreshes
16
          your memory.
17
     BC   Want signature or initials?
18
     CE   Initials are fine.
19
     BC   You said page two?
20
     CE   One and two the bottom there where I have already.. marked it. See my pen.
21
     BC   (signing form) I’ve seen this motion before.
22

23   CE   My questions will be if I can see the form again. Um, very, in the motion it’s very

24        specific that um, and I’m gonna read the one. Um, what we do know however, is

25        that there are people who have signed on with EquuSearch and did searches in



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 1        accordance with their logs and records. But then also on their own or
 2        unrecorded efforts, searched other areas. This is evident by the positions taken
 3
          by witnesses Joe Jordan and Laura Buchanan. Kind of lumps the two names
 4
          there together.
 5
     BC   Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
 6
     CE   Within that motion. I’d like to mark article number two, I’m gonna show you
 7
          which is a separate motion. If you could initial that for me as well.
 8
     BC   (signing form)
 9

10
     CE   This being my question Brad. I’ve highlighted in red that paragraph there on the

11        bottom. I think it’s number three and number four. Goes over to page two.

12   BC   Uh-huh. (Affirmative)

13   CE   Based on your conversation with Joe Jordan’s attorney, would number three and

14        number four be accurate?
15
     BC   No they wouldn’t be accurate because, when I spoke to Mr. McClellan, Bill
16
          McClellan, Joe Jordan’s attorney, he said to me that his testimony Joe Jordan’s
17
          testimony would be that he was not in the area where her body was found when
18
          he was searching.
19
     CE   Did his lawyer ever tell you about the document that he was shown during his
20
          contact with Mortimer Smith while he was being represented by Kelly Simms?
21
     BC   No.
22

23   CE   That never came up?

24   BC   No.

25   SA   Do you have the attachments?



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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   I do. I’m gonna show you um, also (Inaudible)... I’m gonna show you a
 2        statement, sworn statement provided by Joe Jordan and it appears to have been
 3
          signed on 11/16 of 2009.
 4
     BC   Okay I’ve read it.
 5
     CE   Are there any, based on your conversation with Joe Jordan’s lawyer. Are there
 6
          anything glaring there that may be missing or is different then ah, your
 7
          impression how that was being presented by the defense team? Joe Jordan’s
 8
          information?
 9

10
     BC   Say that again?

11   CE   Reading that statement right there, which is being presented by the private

12        investigator is Joe Jordan’s sworn statement. Anywhere on there does it talk

13        about water levels in the Suburban Drive area?

14   BC   No it doesn’t.
15
     CE   Anywhere on there does it describe him being in the area where the body was
16
          recovered and that there was no body there?
17
     BC   No it doesn’t. Uh fact it says, I’m a very detailed person and I kept a detailed list
18
          of the items I saw and their location, which I believe where important to a missing
19
          person investigation. All of this information was provided to TS. I’m assuming if
20
          he’s detailed person and he found a body.
21
     CE   (cough)
22

23   BC   That probably would’ve been documented.

24

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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   Is there anything on that document that sworn statement that supports how Joe
 2        Jordan is represented in the first two articles that I showed you in any of the
 3
          information he’s providing?
 4
     BC   No. No there isn’t.
 5
     CE   Alright.
 6
     SA   (Inaudible)...
 7
     CE   I’m gonna.. I’m gonna mark that article number three. And I’m just gonna get you
 8
          to initial that as well. That’s the statement from Joe Jordan.
 9

10
     BC   (Signing form)

11   CE   Article number four, if you don’t mind take a take a minute Brad just read that one

12        in its entirety and see if that rings any bells or maybe makes you recall anything

13        else that we may have over looked.

14   BC   I’ve never seen this before, tonight. I’ve never seen this document before right
15
          now.
16
     CE   That’s also available on the internet by the way. Everything I’m showing you I
17
          just downloaded before we came. (chuckle) Sunshine law. Um…
18
     SA   What’s.. what’s the date ah, on this document?
19
     BC   The date on this document, which is titled statement by Laura Buchanan, is
20
          10/24/2009.
21
     CE   So, now is it on that document anywhere say, I’ve provided my search sheet or a
22

23        copy of my search sheet to anyone?

24   BC   No it doesn’t.

25




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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   Okay. Kind of leaves that out. But that doesn’t.. reading those things doesn’t
 2        knock anything loose there for you?
 3
     BC   In, in what way Detective?
 4
     CE   Well, do you, do you um, it’s my opinion that the remains of Caylee Anthony were
 5
          not there during the time of our search, number nine. I would imagine um, you
 6
          know in the numerous times you were asked by Baez to collect those sheets.
 7
          He.. the fact that he left that out of conversation that, hey this girl knows she
 8
          searched there and the body wasn’t there. He never mentioned that that was the
 9

10
          sense of urgency to get to get the sheets from her?

11   BC   That… that.. that’s what stands out is that the date on that is 10/24/2009. That

12        they were out there searching um, in 2008.

13   CE   Right.

14   BC   So, what stands out to me is, a lot of time has passed where a critical defense
15
          witness is.. is just coming forth with this statement saying, I was there and there
16
          was no body.
17
     CE   Yeah but four months later he’s asking you if you’ve ever contacted her and got
18
          the paperwork.
19
     BC   Correct, that’s…
20
     CE   Even though they’re already..
21
     SA   He also asked you about it in that, in that ah,, he also asked you about it in that
22

23        meeting that you had in his office.

24   BC   He did.

25   SA   Which was when?



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   That would’ve been before October. It would’ve been approximately August or
 2        September of 2009.
 3
     CE   And um, I’m gonna show you article number five, which is a sworn statement
 4
          provided to Mortimer Smith. Um, if you could initial that for me please.
 5
     BC   (Signing form) Okay I read it.
 6
     CE   That very last one there.
 7
     BC   Number thirteen?
 8
     CE   Yes sir.
 9

10
     BC   Yes.

11   CE   In this next page I’ll give you that’s the actually date where Mortimer signs and

12        makes that a sworn statement. Um, and I don’t have time for you review all of

13        the sworn statements that he gave law enforcement. But they’re pretty

14        consistent with what the attorney’s telling you. Joe Jordan’s attorney telling you.
15
     BC   Okay.
16
     CE   But the statement that Mr. um, Smith is trying to convey there to the court is that
17
          information provided to law enforcement by Joe Jordan is significantly different
18
          then the information provided to him. However, when he afforded Mr. Jordan the
19
          opportunity to sign this sworn statement here. He omitted any of those facts such
20
          as the body wasn’t there. The water level things of that nature. Were you.. were
21
          you privy to any conversations where any of this con… any of this um, private
22

23        investigator’s information collecting um, is different than what’s being portrayed

24        to the courts?

25




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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   The only conversation that I had in regard to what Joe Jordan would say, was
 2        with Mr. McClellan. And his statement to me was that Joe Jordan wasn’t where
 3
          Caylee’s body was ultimately found.
 4
     CE   Okay. So, Mr. Baez or no one from the defense team ever discussed with you
 5
          the sense of urgency to get these documents because they were crucial to.. I
 6
          mean how am I gonna phrase this? Help me out. I just need to know if there
 7
          was, when I showed you this piece of paper earlier. Was there any criminal
 8
          intent here that you’re aware of? Looking back at it now in retrospect to cover up
 9

10
          the fact that Joe Jordan was telling law enforcement the truth, but now it’s being

11        misrepresented by the defense team?

12   BC   Criminal intent by…

13   CE   You omit certain things that later on you can conveniently say were said.

14        However, now you want to be looked at as if they were high points like the body
15
          wasn’t there. And that he searched a particular area. However, as a private
16
          investigator working for the defense team don’t you think that those would be
17
          crucial for the statement? I was in the area I searched there and the body wasn’t
18
          there.
19
     BC   I would think that Mr. Jordan would be very specific and put in the exact facts.
20
          Um..
21
     CE   Um, let me.. let me explain this sheet. I’m sorry. This sheet my understanding
22

23        from talking to witnesses. These are synopsis sheets typed by Mortimer or

24        someone in the defense team office. And faxed to these persons, they look at

25        ‘em, sign and send ‘em back. These aren’t actually, actually generated by the



                                              24
                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        um, person that signs them. So, I should’ve explained that before and I.. I
 2        understand the confusion. This comes from Mortimer Smith to this individual.
 3
     BC   Okay.
 4
     CE   They sign this in agreement that this is factual. However, when Mortimer Smith
 5
          generated this form he failed to add the things that he’s citing here or that the
 6
          motion cite, Joe Jordan visited the area searched the area and the body wasn’t
 7
          there. Do you see now and I apologize I should’ve explained that before. These
 8
          aren’t statements generated by these people. They’re just agreed to by these
 9

10
          people. That clarify for you any better?

11   BC   Yes.

12   CE   So, if this was your private investigator working for you. There would be more,

13        there would be more detail in this form that was consistent with what’s being

14        presented to the courts I would imagine.
15
     BC   I would not be relying on my private investigator I would be relying on very
16
          specific statements by Mr. Jordan. I would want Mr. Jordan to nail down every
17
          little detail and put it in his statement.
18
     CE   That’s why we brought him in and had him swear to those facts and, and made
19
          him raise his right hand. And we recorded everything. Okay. Um, let me… you
20
          initialed that.
21
     BC   Uh-huh. (Affirmative)
22

23   CE   I apologize Brad I.. I know I sit here from reading and looking at these things

24        knowing that these forms are generated and that they’re not accurate like a

25        sworn statement provided by the person there.



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                                   Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   SA   We also (Inaudible)...
 2   CE   They’re summary sheets.
 3
     SA   We.. we also have, we also (Inaudible)... to having heard the real conversation
 4
          that took place between Mr. Smith and Mr. Jordan.
 5
     CE   Yeah and that’s a hard thing to know be able to talk about.
 6
     BC   Well and I realize that I mean I’ve got pieces that fit in somewhere and then I’m
 7
          not privy to where they fit in and I don’t need to know.
 8
     SA   Okay before you go…. Oh you’re doing pictures next?
 9

10
     CE   Go ahead yeah.

11   SA   We haven’t covered, well I think we’re forgetting ah.. I don’t know if we covered

12        the statement about the hearing, the hearing where Mr. NeJame was in the

13        courtroom, Mr. Baez the defense made some representation to the court.

14   BC   Yes.
15
     SA   Tell us about that.
16
     BC   Ah, where the defense made representation that I was aware that there was
17
          information in the EquuSearch records that were essentially exculpatory or in
18
          other words, they said that the body was.. wasn’t there um, while.. the body was
19
          not there during the period of time when Caylee.. Casey Anthony was in jail. And
20
          (Inaudible)... I certainly did not see that, wasn’t aware of it.
21
     SA   But the defense being, the defense being whom made this representations to the
22

23        judge?

24   BC   Mr. Baez.

25




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                                   Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   SA   Mr. Baez made these representations to the court. Um, and at which time you
 2        thought what?
 3
     BC   Bullshit. I.. bullshit it didn’t happen.
 4
     SA   Okay, and you never, you never told Mr. Baez it happened?
 5
     BC   No.
 6
     SA   So, you have no idea why he would represented that to the court?
 7
     BC   Absolutely not especially with me sitting right there in the courtroom.
 8
     SA   Okay. Um, once again we’re not lawyers I mean is it, is that normal for one
 9

10
          lawyer to make representation to the judge in open court ah, when it’s not A, it’s

11        not true and B, it’s not true with the other attorney that he’s making

12        representations about be sitting right there in the courtroom?

13   BC   No it’s not normal, it’s not typical because when you’re making a representation

14        to a judge sometimes you’re wrong. But you don’t want to be wrong so you go
15
          out of your way to make sure that what you’re telling a judge is true and correct.
16
          Especially when the lawyer you’re talking about is sitting right in that courtroom.
17
     SA   Forgive, forgive my ignorance ‘cause (Inaudible)... we have to testify on the stand
18
          under oath. Is it, us there.. is there any problem with a lawyer knowingly
19
          representing something to the judge that’s not true?
20
     BC   Absolutely there is ah, it’s against the rules of professional conduct and although
21
          you’re not swearing under oath as a lawyer. You are an officer of court.. of the
22

23        court and so you’re held to that standard of telling the truth as best you know. If

24        you happen to mistaken that’s one thing. But if you’re intentionally

25




                                                27
                                   Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        misrepresenting facts to a judge. Ah, you’re putting your bar license on.. on the
 2        line.
 3
     SA   And he made these representations to the court with you in the courtroom?
 4
     BC   Yes sir.
 5
     SA   And you have no idea where he would’ve gotten it from?
 6
     BC   I have no idea where he would’ve gotten it from because I know I didn’t tell him
 7
          that.
 8
     SA   But the representation was that, was that he got this or that you had seen these
 9

10
          in.. in the EquuSearch records correct?

11   BC   That’s correct.

12   SA   Okay.

13   CE   Well then let me ah, try to clear up the.. the cloudiness of the.. when I showed

14        you those statements. This ah, article number two that I showed you this
15
          motion. I’m gonna read number three, Mr. Smith has reviewed the police
16
          interviews of Mr. Jordan, which occurred after his interview. And has determined
17
          that the statements to the police differ substantially from what was said in the
18
          lawyers office. See attached, and that’s Mr. Smith’s statement that I showed
19
          you. And number four, Among other things Mr. Jordan in the presence of his
20
          attorney Mr. Sims, revealed to the defense investigator Smith that, Jordan had
21
          personally searched the ground area where ultimately the remains of the victim,
22

23        Caylee Anthony, were found and that the area was dry in September 2008. More

24        importantly Mr, Jordan confirms that during his search of the area there was no

25        body there. And no evidence of animal activity or other indications that the



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        victim’s remains were in the place blah.. blah.. blah. On and on. That’s why I
 2        showed you Joe Jordan’s sworn statements that Mr. Mortimer Smith has
 3
          generated and had Joe Jordan sign. And then Mortimer Smith’s swore
 4
          statement. Anywhere in there was there anything consistent with what was just
 5
          read to you from the motion?
 6
     BC   No.
 7
     CE   And knowing what you know about the um, events or the circumstances around
 8
          Laura Buchanan ah, similar things are written about her testimony as well.
 9

10
          Which leads me to the next question. If you in fact had contacted Laura

11        Buchanan, hypothetically. And she for… and she provided you with an original

12        sheet, actual handwriting, actually signatures um, as an agent of the court what

13        would your responsibility have been at that time?

14   BC   If I believed it to be false
15
     CE   Authentic or false.
16
     BC   If I believed it to be authentic I would’ve made sure that everyone was aware of it
17
          prosecution and defense. If I believed it to be false I would have notified law
18
          enforcement, the state attorney’s office as well as the defense. I also probably
19
          would have notified the judge the presiding judge. If I knew it to be false.
20
     CE   And again you’ll have to forgive us because we’re not lawyers so we have to ask
21
          these questions.
22

23   BC   Lucky you.

24   SA   But at any rate if this form had been brought to your attention, whether.. whether

25        ah, whether you believed it to be an actually document or one that was false or



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                                   Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1        one that may have at one time been ah, you know (Inaudible)... might have been
 2        altered. Once you got this document you would have notified the prosecutor, the
 3
          defense, everybody would’ve know you wouldn’t have kept this a secrete, right?
 4
     BC   Absolutely not.
 5
     SA   Okay. If I even had a phone call saying, Mr. Conway, my name is Laura
 6
          Buchanan. I have information that’s very important to the defense or very
 7
          important to the state attorney’s office. Not being the lawyer directly involved in
 8
          representing the State of Florida or the defendant, Casey Anthony. I would have
 9

10
          referred her to the defense or to the state and then I would’ve notified each of

11        them that there’s an individual calling me with information that one or both of you

12        should be aware of.

13   SA   But in this case the defense was trying to get you to reach out to her, is that

14        right?
15
     BC   Yes they were.
16
     CE   I’m gonna show you a colored photograph marked article number six. You can
17
          just initial right there for me. Have you ever seen the person in that photograph
18
          before? That you can recall.
19
     BC   No, I do not recall ever seeing this person.
20
     CE   Alright.
21
     BC   And that’s not to say that she couldn’t have been in court or somewhere, but I do
22

23        not recall ever seeing her. I can tell you that I have not met her.

24   CE   And you say you’ve never seen any forms Texas EquuSearch forms with Laura

25        Buchanan’s name on them?



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   BC   I have never.
 2   CE   I don’t see a reason to show you any today then. That’ll just cloud the issue.
 3
     BC   And I will tell you that um, pursuant to this subpoena Duces Tecum . I had my
 4
          assistant review all of my message books from 2009. Starting January of 2009
 5
          and going all the way through December 2009. As well as the first half of this
 6
          year. And we did not find any messages from Laura Buchanan calling my office.
 7
          I’ve never had a conversation with Laura Buchanan. I’ve never had a meeting
 8
          scheduled with Laura Buchanan. By her or anybody else. So, I did review to
 9

10
          make sure that she had never called my office and I may be missed the phone

11        call or… or maybe I had a conversation with her and had forgotten. She never

12        called my office.

13   CE   Did um, the persistence the constant request um, soliciting if you will um, by Mr.

14        Baez to have you reach out to this woman and collect threse forms. Did that
15
          ever make you feel uncomfortable? Bear in mind what you just told us about
16
          what your obligation is as a agent of the court.
17
     BC   It made me very uncomfortable because number one, it didn’t seem to be
18
          something that would be my job if she’s got exculpatory information for his client.
19
          He should be getting it or having his investigator get it. So, it made me
20
          uncomfortable in term of, that’s not my job it’s your job, but it kept coming up.
21
          So, if he had mentioned it one time ah, I might’ve thought well the guy’s
22

23        overwhelmed he’s got a lot to do. He’s reaching out for help and I wouldn’t have

24        thought twice about it. But the fact that it kept coming up and it was if true, very

25        important to his defense. Somebody should have gotten it.



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                                 Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   And now knowing that he was asking you the same question in February of 2010,
 2        when it’s painfully obvious from the statements that we’ve shown you. That his
 3
          defense team was already in possession of those documents. What’s your
 4
          interpretation of that?
 5
     BC   The question in February 2010 now. Knowing as we sit here right now. I believe
 6
          that that question was designed to find out whether I had information that might
 7
          have disputed what he was putting forth to the court in terms of Laura
 8
          Buchanan’s statement. I think he was trying to find out whether I had something
 9

10
          that would negate what he was putting into the court file, putting into court ah,

11        courts information.

12   CE   Can you think of anything else?

13   SA   No. Can you think of anything that we haven’t asked you think might be

14        important? I know we’ve asked you a lot today we, we been here a while.
15
     BC   I don’t know if we talked about ah, that April 20 letter and the fact that he did
16
          bring up Laura Buchanan in that conversation after April 20. So, if we didn’t he
17
          brought her up. If he did it’s already in …
18
     CE   What’d.. what’d he say about her? Is ther anything, where she lives, what she
19
          did for a living? Any.. anything identifying type…
20
     BC   No.
21
     CE   …conversation? Just that she volunteered to search?
22

23   BC   That she was according to him and the documents and to get the documents.

24        What.. what am I looking for? Is what I was thinking, but again I didn’t intend to

25        do his work for him. Didn’t intend to do his work for him so, I didn’t pursue.



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                                    Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   SA   How long have you been an attorney, Brad?
 2   BC   Since 1990, I graduated law school December ’91, started working for Joe
 3
          Derocher in March of 1992.
 4
     SA   Okay. So, almost 20 years?
 5
     BC   Yes sir.
 6
     SA   Um, in the almost 20 years you’ve been an attorney. Have you ever had another
 7
          defense attorney reach out to you the way Mr. Baez has and asked you to go get
 8
          evidence from a witness like this? Has this ever happened before?
 9

10
     BC   No.

11   SA   In the 20 years you been an attorney have you.. has ah, have you ever gotten a

12        letter quite like this in the way you got this letter? Have you ever had an attorney

13        go to one of your clients and get ah….

14   BC   And you’re.. you’re referring to the letter purportedly from George and Cindy
15
          Anthony to Mark NeJame that was solicited by Mr. Baez. And no I have never in
16
          my entire practice had an attorney knowing that I represented an individual or
17
          individuals I have never had that attorney go and seek from them a legal
18
          document.
19
     SA   Okay.
20
     CE   Is there anything else without asking you if the.. anything about the Anthonys
21
          response? Or were there any other situations where you know that Jose Baez
22

23        had given them instructions or asked them to do things without your knowledge

24        or your consent and you found out after the fact?

25   BC   (No verbal response.)



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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   Any other times where he pulled something like this, but it’s not memorialized on
 2        a piece of paper?
 3
     BC   A number of times. He.. he’s, he’s contacted um, my clients on a number or
 4
          occasions without me knowing about it. Ah, the topic, the time what he wanted.
 5
          And I made it clear to Mr. Baez that he did not need to go through me for
 6
          personal matters. In other words, if Casey wanted to say, mom and dad I love
 7
          you. He didn’t need to call me and relay that through me to the Anthonys. But
 8
          when it came to any legal issues statements, evidence ah, anything that he
 9

10
          wanted from my clients that had to do with the defense of hi client. That he

11        should go through me for that.

12   CE   So, if he.. again hypothetically. If he had reached out to Cindy and said, Cindy,

13        Brad won’t get this, I want you to get it. That would’ve been contrary to what you

14        just stated?
15
     BC   Absolutely.
16
     CE   He should’ve went through you?
17
     BC   Yes.
18
     CE   Are you aware of him making that request of the Anthony family at all to get
19
          those documents from Laura Buchanan?
20
     SA   Without violating type oath.
21
     CE   Not, not Cindy’s answer, not George’s answer. Are you.. did he ever tell you,
22

23        well if you’re not gonna do it I’ll just ask them?

24   BC   He never said to me, if you’re not going to do that I’m gonna ask them.

25




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                                  Brad Conway/Case #10-85144/GB
 1   CE   And again Brad, if there’s conversation you had with him. We’re not, we’re not
 2        trying to put you in a bad way with conversation with your client’s by any means.
 3
          We’ll.. we’ll avoid that topic all together, but if there’s something specifically
 4
          where he had said that to you we’re just interested in that.
 5
     BC   He didn’t say that to me. There’s a, another part of that, that I think may be
 6
          privileged.
 7
     CE   Okay.
 8
     BC   But I just, I don’t know (Inaudible)...
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     CE   Fair enough if you’re uncomfortable with it we’ll..

11   BC   (Inaudible)... let’s just be…

12   CE   …we’ll leave it alone.

13   SA   Listen (Inaudible)...

14   CE   We’ll leave it alone. Can you think of anything else?
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     BC   No sir.
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     CE   You raise your right hand for me? You swear that everything you said today was
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          true?
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     BC   I do.
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     CE   And it’s currently 6:59 p.m., same date same individuals in the room.
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      THIS TRANSCRIPT HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR ACCURACY
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     Signed this______day of_____________________, 2010.
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24   CORPORAL ERIC EDWARDS, OCSO DEPUTY SHERIFF

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