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  MEREDITH CORPORATION: White Collar–Tim DeKay and Matt Bomer
  January 6, 2011/2:00 p.m. EST

Laura Murphy – New Media Strategies
Tim DeKay – Peter Burke, White Collar
Matt Bomer – Neal Caffrey, White Collar


Moderator           Welcome to the White Collar Conference call with Tim DeKay and Matt

                    Bomer. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we

                    will conduct a question and answer session; instructions will be given at

                    that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

                    I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Miss Laura


L. Murphy           Hi, good afternoon everyone. Thank you for your patience. This is Laura

                    Murphy from New Media Strategies. I’d like to thank everyone for
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               joining us for today’s White Collar Q&A session. We’ll start things off by

               thanking Tim DeKay and Matt Bomer for being with us today to answer

               questions. As you know Tim stars as Peter Burke and Matt stars as Neal

               Caffrey on the hit series White Collar, which is returning with new

               episodes on Tuesday, January 18th at 10/9 Central.

               In a moment, we’ll begin the Q&A session. I’d just like to remind all

               participants you will receive a transcript of this session within the next 24

               to 48 hours. I’d also like to remind everyone to please limit yourselves to

               one question and then reenter the question queue for any additional

               questions. This will ensure we field as many questions as possible within

               the allotted time.

               I would now like to turn the call back over to our moderator to begin the

               formal Q&A session.

Moderator      Our first question is from Jamie Steinberg with Starry Constellation


J. Steinberg   I was wondering if either of you could talk a little bit about who we can

               see guest starring this season.
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M. Bomer   We have Andrew McCarthy.

T. DeKay   Andrew McCarthy, of course, yes, and that’s been in TV Guide so that’s—

M. Bomer   Who plays sort of Neal’s mentor from the past who taught him a lot about

           both creating his persona and he taught him a lot of hard lessons as well.

           I’ll leave it at that.

           We have Paul Blackthorne. We have Billy Dee Williams who is in a

           really fun episode with Diahann Carroll. He plays somebody from June’s

           past who comes back and is sort of a glimpse into the world Neal would

           have if he continued on a more crooked path. Ross McCall is back.

           Adam Goldberg is in it.

T. DeKay   I was just going to say Adam. Yes, Adam plays a great role in this as


M. Bomer   Gloria is back and we have Richard Shipp.

T. DeKay   Hilarie is back.
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J. Steinberg   You guys have such great chemistry together on screen and you seem to

               get along decently well off screen. How do you guys continue to maintain


T. DeKay       We went to therapy once a week.

M. Bomer       Couples therapy.

T. DeKay       Yes. It really—

M. Bomer       It’s worth it.

T. DeKay       It is.

M. Bomer       We meet our deductible pretty quick and from there on out it’s just a co-

               pay and it’s worth it.

T. DeKay       Because we’re both in the union so that helps.
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M. Bomer     That helps. That’s good. I think Tim is inherently a generous person and

             very generous of spirit and he brings a real sense of play to the work. I try

             to do the same. I know he lifts me up on my off days and—

T. DeKay     Oh, and you lift me up on my off days. No, listen, we have a blast. We

             have fun together, but in the end, we respect each other.

M. Bomer     Yes.

T. DeKay     I mean as far as the work is concerned. It’s just like any other

             relationship, if you don’t have that then there is no ground to it.

M. Bomer     As much as the trust dynamic is liquid between Peter and Neal, I think

             Tim and I pretty much … each other.

T. DeKay     Yes. Yes, that’s good. Therein lies a big difference.

Moderator    Our next question is from Rosa Cordero from

R. Cordero   Matt, you were fantastic singing at the Kennedy Honors. Are you going to

             be singing this season?
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M. Bomer     Yes. I do sing with Diahann and Billy Dee in that episode.

R. Cordero   That’s amazing.

M. Bomer     It was an incredibly surreal moment.

T. DeKay     Yes, it was a great moment. It’s one of those moments on the set where—

             Matt has sung before—fun singing around the set, just being goofy—but

             when he and Diahann sang that song everybody on set just got quiet

             because we had to rehearse it. The whole crew just went into a

             spontaneous applause. It was just one of those moments like, ―Oh, wow,

             that’s neat.‖ Then Billy Dee Williams at the piano doing an amazing job

             faking it.

M. Bomer     He’s the best fake piano player I’ve ever seen in my life. He had such a

             look of just unconditional support when he would look up at me when I

             was singing and it really bolstered me. I wish that I could take him

             everywhere with me when I sing.

T. DeKay     And fake the piano.
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M. Bomer    Diahann is amazing; I mean she’s a legend. He’ll fake the piano and the

            real pianist will be offstage. Diahann is obviously a legend and incredible

            and it was a real honor to get to sing with her.

Moderator   The next question is from Pattye Grippo, from

P. Grippo   The working relationship between Peter and Neal is sort of an unusual one

            at best. Do you think this sort of relationship could exist within the FBI?

T. DeKay    Well, because of my technical consultant, Tom Barton, he has expressed

            to both Jeff Eastin and me certainly relationships like this, to the extent

            that the CI or Criminal Informant just comes into the house and pours a

            bowl of cereal. I don’t know if it goes that far, but Tom certainly has

            talked about how he’s received Christmas cards from people in prison that

            he’s worked with. That’s where Jeff’s inspiration came from. Who

            knows, maybe there is a relationship like that out there.

Moderator   Your next question is from Troy Rogers, at
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T. Rogers   Usually USA likes to promote their episodes, but this one there is really

            nothing that we can find. I just want to know, how does it feel to be

            involved in such a big mystery around the show especially in terms of the

            status of Mozzie.

T. DeKay    Usually there are two questions people ask me about the show it’s,

            ―What’s Mozzie’s fate?‖ and, ―What’s going on with the music box?‖ It’s

            exciting. I feel like I keep giving the same answer of ―Oh, you won’t be

            disappointed, let me tell you—‖ It’s very difficult. You want to answer it

            for these people, at least I do, so it’s difficult to evade that question all the

            time. I’ll be glad when it airs.

M. Bomer    Yes, I feel like we’re always sort of dancing around the secrets involved

            with the mythology of the show and that’s fun. That’s a fun aspect of it.

            Jeff is always outdoing himself as a writer and every time we get the mid-

            season finale or the finale script, we always look at each other and go,

            ―Really?‖ He’s almost like the writing equivalent of the guy at the party

            who takes the joke one step too far, but then that night you think about the

            joke and you realize it was actually really profound and kind of amazing.

T. DeKay    Exactly.
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M. Bomer    He’s incredible that way. He’s always surprising us. I don’t like to know

            too far ahead of time what’s going to happen because I like the element of

            surprise as well. Then I also don’t have to dance around the mystery quite

            as long.

Moderator   The next question is from Jamie Ruby at

J. Ruby     Can you kind of talk about how you both got started working on White


T. DeKay    Well, Mattie was first.

M. Bomer    I went into a room and met with Jeff Eastin and auditioned and then had to

            test twice for it. Jeff Eastin thankfully was in my corner from the get-go

            and stuck by me. We hashed it out and thankfully, I got the job.

T. DeKay    You had the job for a while, didn’t you?

M. Bomer    I did. I had it for—I don’t know—maybe a month or so before I met you.
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T. DeKay   Right, usually it happens faster than that. At the time, I was doing the

           New Adventures of Old Christine, doing a recurring on that. I got a call to

           do a chemistry read. I was excited because I thought, ―I think I skipped a

           step there‖, which was good, as opposed to just going in and auditioning.

           Then I went to the casting director’s office and Matt was there in the

           waiting room and we chatted then and—

M. Bomer   I told him I was a huge fan of his work…Both stage and screen.

T. DeKay   I thought, ―Oh, this guy certainly has great taste,‖ and I thought, ―All

           right, well, this should be fun,‖ and went in there and as I’ve said many

           times as soon as we read the scene I thought, ―Holy bleep, don’t screw this

           up, Tim, because this could be something really special.‖

M. Bomer   I just remember it being so incredibly fun. There were a lot of great actors

           that came in to read that day, but it was so fun with you. I think we’d both

           been around the block in TV enough to know that we were going to be

           working long hours together and that this should probably be really fun.

T. DeKay   Yes.
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M. Bomer   Tim was amazing. I knew from the second we did the scene that he was

           going to be the guy.

T. DeKay   The thing was I also felt that good writing shows a lot of different layers

           and certainly, Jeff’s does. There was a strong heart to this show that I was

           concerned that they didn’t want to turn their backs to—that Jeff and

           company wanted to make sure that that stayed strong throughout the show,

           throughout the pilot and it did. That was something that came out in the

           audition. I thought, ―Oh, these guys—‖ because at the bottom of it they

           really like each other.

M. Bomer   Yes.

T. DeKay   Then there were all these tests and you sit in the waiting room and you see

           other guys who are reading and you think, ―Oh, he’s going to get it. He’s

           my idea for the role.‖

M. Bomer   Yes.

T. DeKay   You play all those crazy, stupid games. You know what, I had to admit, I

           didn’t play that game with this show.
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M. Bomer     I didn’t either. I mean, I was nervous as hell, but I think I just went into to

             have as much fun as possible.

T. DeKay     Yes, exactly.

Moderator    The next question will be from Joshua Maloney at Niagara Frontier


J. Maloney   When we’ve done these conference calls with you guys in the past, it was

             really sort of in the early stages of the show when everything was sort of

             being established and you guys were finding your fan base. Now that you

             have established the show and now that you guys have had success with it,

             how have things changed, or how maybe would you like to see things

             change? Not necessarily on set so much, but just even with the

             development of the characters.

T. DeKay     I don’t know. That’s a tough one.

M. Bomer     I don’t really feel like much has changed for me personally other than it’s

             great to have the support of fans who are interested in the stories we’re all
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           trying to tell, which is amazing and a great feeling. In terms of character,

           now that we’re starting to really put a lot of major story arcs to bed, I

           would love to dip into Neal’s past a little bit more and maybe see some of

           his family members come into play and see what kind of conflicts that

           brings up between he and Peter. I wouldn’t mind seeing him be a little bit

           of a man-whore, to use a little bit of the James Bond tactics to maybe do

           whatever it takes to solve the case.

T. DeKay   I feel as far as character, I think Jeff and the writers have met everything

           that I had hoped for. The big story arc with the music box was something

           that I didn’t expect or even see. I find it wonderful. I too, would like to

           delve into some more of Peter’s background and we did an episode where

           Jeff and I both went to the University and got into both Peter’s and Neal’s


M. Bomer   Oh, yes, your blue collar upbringing—

T. DeKay   Yes.

M. Bomer   —in a White Collar world.
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T. DeKay   Those are fun because what it comes down to is I think the more Peter and

           Neal know about each other actually it strengthens and lengthens the

           relationship because these two just love to dig. Peter would love to meet a

           family member of Neal’s. He’d love to sit down and get to know his mom

           or dad or brother or sister.

M. Bomer   I could go on and on with my ideas, but I think the great thing about

           having somebody like Jeff at the helm is that you know whatever it is, it’s

           going to be fun and interesting and well written. You get what you get

           and you don’t get upset.

T. DeKay   Yes, but we had to look for something. Like Jeff answers it. I mean it’s

           one of the most exciting moments of the week is to crack open that next


M. Bomer   Yes. To crack open a cold one and then crack open that next script.

T. DeKay   Try not to pour that cold one on that script.

M. Bomer   There might be a ring here or there.
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Moderator       The next question is from Amy Harrington at

A. Harrington   I’m actually here with my sister Nancy, who is my writing partner. It

                seems like the show started as a show about the two of you and it’s

                become more of a real ensemble piece. We’re wondering if you’re

                enjoying the fact that you get to work with your co-stars more frequently?

T. DeKay        I certainly do and yet I like that in the end that it’s about Peter and Neal;

                that’s the base of it. I love it when Elizabeth gets involved with a case and

                I love that Diana is back and working on the case. She adds such an

                intelligence to it.

M. Bomer        Yes and a sexiness.

T. DeKay        I love that Jones is involved more and that Peter and Mozzie have found a

                way to dance together.

M. Bomer        Yes. I think it makes the day really fun and it has added a lot to the show.

                It opens up a lot more relationships and we get to work with Hilarie, who

                brings so much to the table, and Gloria who’s relationship is so different

                than that of Neal and Peter’s. It breaks things up. It’s more of a window
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            into the character when you see how they behave with a lot of different

            people. It’s kind of fun to get to explore those relationship dynamics. At

            the end of the day, for me it always is fun just to kind of come back to

            home base and do a nice Peter and Neal walk and talk down the streets of

            New York.

Moderator   This question is from Sammi Turano at

S. Turano   With so many awesome USA shows out there, which one would you like

            to cross White Collar over with, and how do you think that would work


T. DeKay    I think my immediate response goes to Royal Pains because it’d just be

            nice to go out to the Hamptons for a few days. Then again, it would be

            nice to go down to Miami and shoot some things in Miami.

M. Bomer    Yes, I think Burn Notice would be a really natural fit just because of the

            worlds that our characters live in and inhabit, but to be honest with you I

            love all the shows they have. It would be really fun and an honor to get to

            work with on any of them—to cross over on any of them.
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T. DeKay       It’d be fun to do some World Wide Wrestling as well.

M. Bomer       Well, yes, I mean that goes without saying.

T. DeKay       Yes.

M. Bomer       Tim, you’re about to get us into a tag team wrestling match.

T. DeKay       I can you just see me reaching over the ring, ―Tag me, tag me, come on.‖

M. Bomer       Peter and Neal’s trust dynamic, WWE Wrestling.

Moderator      The next question is from Brittany Frederick at

B. Frederick   I know the second episode this season is that long talked about backstory

               episode. I’m kind of wondering if there is anything that was revealed in

               that episode that surprised you or maybe didn’t match up with what you

               had in mind for your characters.

T. DeKay       For me there was not anything that didn’t match up. No.
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M. Bomer      I think for me the way I met Mozzie and the way we sort of came to

              become friends was pleasantly surprising. I thought for some reason that

              maybe we’d gone back a little bit farther than that, but it was fun. Getting

              to see Willie in several different toupees and facial hair arrangements was

              sort of the highlight of that episode for me, one of many highlights of that


T. DeKay      Yes, and he said he brought them out from his closet and let production

              use his old toupees.

M. Bomer      Yes, shake out that toup and put it on a Styrofoam head and tuck it under

              his arm and bring it on into work.

Moderator     The next question is from Kelly DiMarzio at

K. DiMarzio   The premiere opens the door to Neal’s past. How do you feel about

              opening that big curtain to see his beginnings of the con and how do you

              think that’s going to really affect Peter and Neal? Is Peter going to be

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M. Bomer    Well, it’s the second episode back. I think for me it was so interesting and

            amazing that Jeff was able to squeeze so much into one hour of TV. I

            think he was smart in that it’s a lot of really nice little glimpses into the

            past or enough snippets to sort of piece together where he came from and

            why he is who he is. The nice thing about it is it also leaves the door open

            for a lot more flashbacks to fill in a lot of holes.

T. DeKay    Yes, there was something Jeff said. I don’t know if I can make a direct

            quote, but he said, yes there are some big answers that were given in this

            flashback and just also tastes of the past, as Matt said, that allow us to do

            more flashbacks. I think that’s Jeff’s intention.

Moderator   The next question is from Traci Grant at

T. Grant    I know there is obviously a lot of mystery and secrets with the show, but I

            was just wondering what you can actually tell us about what to expect

            when the episodes start airing again.

T. DeKay    You can expect commercials every 15 to 18 minutes. I don’t know. What

            can you expect? Just more fun. That sounds incredibly intelligent and

            insightful, doesn’t it?
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M. Bomer   I think I can safely say that a lot of really big storylines that we’ve been

           exploring over the past couple of seasons really get brought to a head and

           closure on a lot of things. We get a glimpse into a lot the characters’ pasts

           and see why they are who they are and how they got that way. We get to

           see, as usual, sort of a liquid trust dynamic between Peter and Neal. Then

           obviously also we get some resolution to Mozzie’s incident relatively


T. DeKay   We do and I think that Jeff and the writers came up with a fantastic,

           creative, exciting way to have that happen.

M. Bomer   Yes. All I can say is that in the last episode of the season I never—I

           mean, if you locked me in a padded room for five years and made me

           continually guess where this season was going to end I never would have

           come up with this. It was astounding and amazing and surprising and

           incredibly fun where—

T. DeKay   You’re talking about the very, very, very last scene?

M. Bomer   Yes.
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M. Bomer    The last scene in the last episode in general.

T. DeKay    Yes, when I read the last episode I did everything I could not to call my

            wife, my dad, just—―You won’t believe this. This is incredible,‖ but I

            didn’t want to do that because then they would just bug me and say,

            ―Well, what is it? What is it? What is it?‖ So I didn’t, but yes. Yet, Jeff

            and the writers were able to shut the lid on the music box—no pun

            intended—and within one second turn around and open up this other one

            that just was astounding. I don’t know, maybe I’m setting the bar too


M. Bomer    No.

T. DeKay    The last episode is really boring, really boring. Let’s set it low. If we set

            the bar really low people will be happier. Does that make sense?

M. Bomer    Sure. I’m with you. I got your back.

Moderator   The next question is from Vlada Gelman at Staying In.
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V. Gelman   We have Hilarie back in the season premiere, so I was wondering if you

            could talk a little bit about how Neal and Sara’s relationship is going to

            develop this season. What’s it like having this challenging female

            character to play off?

M. Bomer    I think it’s fantastic. She brings so much to the role. She’s the real deal.

T. DeKay    Yes.

M. Bomer    She’s gorgeous, and she’s in it, and she has brought this amazingly

            intelligent, challenging, super Type-A character to life that Neal finds

            really intriguing and ultimately on some level I think wants to tame.

T. DeKay    Oh, I like that. Oh, that is good.

M. Bomer    It’s a really fun dynamic to get to play with her and she’s such a great

            actress. It’s really kind of moment to moment with her, which is always

            fun and keeps me on my toes. Yes, and she’s gorgeous to boot; a really,

            really great girl. We have a lot of fun stuff that we get to do with each

            other and their relationship will grow and there will be a lot of tension
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            there, maybe a little sexual frustration and then maybe some sexual

            frustration release; I don’t know. I’m just saying maybe.

Moderator   The next question is from Giuliana Porro at

G. Porro    What was it like filming your series on location in New York City?

T. DeKay    It’s amazing. I’ve been asked before if this show could be shot

            somewhere else where would it be and I don’t have an answer because

            I’ve never been on a show where the location, the city, is so much of a

            character. If we shot it somewhere else, it’s as if you’d recast it and this is

            a character driven show and you couldn’t recast it.

            You couldn’t shoot it anywhere else. It’s just a blast to be in the city. We

            shoot quickly. We shoot in seven days for one episode so we are moving.

            We are shooting so that we can get a great angle. Russell Fine is fantastic

            that way. He’s the director of photography and the directors are with him

            to they make sure we get some gorgeous building in the background for

            whatever location we find ourselves on.
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             We shoot that and then we move on. We’re at some Gramercy Park the

             first half of the day and the second half of the day we’re on some dock

             down at the Bowery. It’s beautiful. I’ve seen parts of New York I never

             thought I would see.

M. Bomer     Yes. It’s a dream come true. To get to work in New York and see so

             many amazing locations and interact with New Yorkers in many ways and

             be a part of such an amazingly metropolitan energy that I think adds a lot

             to the show. I think it’s the way we shoot the show. As well as the way

             Russell Fine shoots the show is a real celebration of New York.

             New York is this gritty place filled with alleys, which there aren’t really

             alleys in New York City. I hate to burst anyone’s bubble on that, but the

             way Russell shoots the show is we look up at the city and we sort of

             celebrate the architecture and the people and the blue sky and the sunshine

             that’s going on above the buildings as well.

Moderator    The next question is from Lean Lamoray at

L. Lamoray   How much of what goes on in a show do you think you could get away

             with in real life?
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M. Bomer   I test my boundaries quite a bit, but nowhere near the level at which Neal

           does. I would venture to say about 5% of what I get away with on the


T. DeKay   You get away with in real life.

M. Bomer   Yes, about 5%.

T. DeKay   So you only steal 5% of what Neal does?

M. Bomer   I only pickpocket 5% of the people in Neal does. I only steal 5% of the art

           Neal does.

T. DeKay   Right, which isn’t bad.

M. Bomer   But the great thing is I only get caught 5% of the time, which is why I’m

           calling from a prison phone.

T. DeKay   Right, right.
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M. Bomer    That’s not funny.

T. DeKay    Anybody have any more quarters?

Moderator   The next question is from Jessica Rae at

J. Rae      You guys are great friends, and I don’t know if you know this, but you’re

            incredibly insightful about each other. I would like to flip the table a little

            bit and ask Matt what question that you think we should be asking Tim

            right now. What would be a great question that we should really ask him?

            Tim let me ask you the same thing.

M. Bomer    This is going to be general and I apologize, Tim, but I’d say what’s your

            favorite thing about Peter Burke. What’s something about Peter that no-

            one would guess?

T. DeKay    My favorite thing about Peter Burke is that he has to nearly contain his

            giddiness when he’s on a case that takes a lot of synapses moving. He just

            loves it. That keeps him going. I’ve said it before, there is almost a little

            disappointment when the case is solved. Almost a little bit.
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M. Bomer   I love it.

T. DeKay   Yes, because he just loves the chase. He loves it, loves it and loves it with

           Neal because there is a part of him that would love to go to that side, but

           knows he can’t. So it’s okay with him just to watch it and every once in a

           while somewhat dip his foot in that pool.

           Then what was the second question?

M. Bomer   What’s something about Peter that people wouldn’t guess that you don’t

           mind sharing?

T. DeKay   Oh.

M. Bomer   Well you kind of did in that answer as well.

T. DeKay   Yes, I think so.

M. Bomer   Yes, you answered both my questions with one answer. You must teach

           me this trick.
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T. DeKay   All right. My turn to ask Neal?

J. Rae     Sure. What is a question that you want to ask of him? Put him on the


T. DeKay   If Neal were a flower, which—?

M. Bomer   It would be a poisonous flower.

T. DeKay   But a beautiful one.

M. Bomer   It would lure you in and then it would be poisonous.

T. DeKay   But poisonous only for—

M. Bomer   Only for specific—not a broad spectrum poison, only a very specific


T. DeKay   Right, that isn’t necessarily lethal, but would—

M. Bomer   Make you trip out for a couple of days?
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T. DeKay       Yes.

M. Bomer       Sort of like a peyote flower.

Moderator      Next we have Kona Gallagher at

K. Gallagher   Speaking of putting you guys on the spot I’m trying to get some dirt. I

               knew that the episode where Neal is going to be singing is airing I think

               February 1st, Jeff Eastin said on Twitter. What are you singing?

M. Bomer       We are singing One For My Baby and One More For the Road.

K. Gallagher   Then just kind of going along with the dirt thing, you mentioned Andrew

               McCarthy was going to be on. Given what happens in the last minutes of

               the first episode coming back from break, is it fair to say that he’s going to

               play a kind of large role for the rest of the season?

M. Bomer       Yes.

Moderator      The next question is from Suzanne Lanoue at TV MegaSite.
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S. Lanoue   A lot of actors have said they don’t like to watch themselves or they do.

            Which do you guys like? Do you watch yourselves on White Collar and

            other shows, or do you say, ―Oh no I hate that, I’m not going to watch


T. DeKay    I don’t like it, but I think I’ve come to learn for myself at least that it is an

            education for yourself as an actor, at least for me, to watch the stuff.

            We’ve got to come back to it. I’ve got to come back to Peter and if I’m

            watching it and saying, ―Oh, okay this works, that doesn’t work.‖

            Because it’s such a group effort this filming, so, ―I see they edited the

            scene that way so that was their intent for this scene. Oh I was right about

            that. I saw which way they wanted the scene to go and I was right,‖ and

            then sometimes you think, ―Oh, I missed it on that. This is how they

            wanted the scene to be seen more than—‖ in a different way than I did.

            I’m not crazy about watching myself, but I feel I have to.

M. Bomer    It fluctuates for me as well. I watched the first season really intently

            because the learning curve was so steep and so much of that first season

            was a lot of throwing spaghetti against the wall and seeing what worked

            and what didn’t and what could I learn as an actor. What part of the
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            character that I was trying to bring out was working and coming through

            and what wasn’t, but I don’t like to watch myself at all. I try to just do it

            intermittently when it’s something that I can—it’s not an aesthetic thing or

            anything it’s just I’m really hard on myself. Sometimes it’s more difficult

            to watch myself. Every now and again I’ll think, ―Oh, let me check it

            out,‖ but generally I don’t like to watch myself at all.

Moderator   Next question is from Christina Kovar at Maverick Media.

C. Kovar    I have a question for Tim about your horseback riding in the return

            episode that we see. Is that something you’ve done before, or was it just

            on the moment this is what you’re going to do in this episode?

T. DeKay    No, I’ve done that before. I don’t know what the final cut is, but there was

            a lot of running the horse through Central Park. I used to ride when I was

            younger from like the age of eight until I went to college, but then I hadn’t

            ridden for about 20 years. I knew the episode would be riding so they

            were nice enough to say, ―Let’s go out to upstate New York and you can

            ride and just—as the saying goes—get back on the saddle.‖ I did and it

            was great. The next day I could barely get out of bed my legs were so

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M. Bomer   I remember seeing you hobble down the hall.

T. DeKay   Oh, I know it. Oh, my inner thighs—they were just killing me. I’ll cut to

           the day we’re shooting, I also had a bit of a cold coming on so there was

           just this moment where I realized, ―Okay, I should take something for my

           cold,‖ because I was a bit stuffed up, ―and I also should probably take

           something for my thighs because they were killing me.‖ I took everything

           at the same time and there was a moment where I was on the horse and

           they were about to say action and I had to run the horse under a bridge up

           over this hill. I was so woozy I thought oh this— I did everything I could

           just to stay on it. I thought for sure the medicine was just going to

           knock—I thought I was just going to pass out right on the horse.

M. Bomer   Thank goodness Pippin knew his blocking.

T. DeKay   That was the name of the horse, Pippin.

M. Bomer   I couldn’t tell you were on medication at all. I thought you looked great

           riding it.
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T. DeKay    Oh, well, thanks, but I thought that Peter would have a horse—I don’t

            know—like Luke or Lightning, Trigger or Chestnut—something, but


Moderator   The next question is from Guillermo Paz at Series&

G. Paz      For Tim, you had a great con episode and when you see the chance to sort

            of tables turned, how did you feel about being the con man and of course

            ‖Burke’s Seven‖ is great and I hope to see more of that.

T. DeKay    Thank you, I felt great about that. That goes back to that question Matt

            asked me. Peter gets giddy and it means that he gets to go to the other side

            for a little while, aw, that’s a blast. Certainly as an actor, whenever you

            can go not just one step into the imagination, but in essence two steps into

            the imagination, when your character plays a character, that’s even more

            fun as well. In the end that’s what we love to do as actors is just dive into

            the world of pretend.

            It was a hoot. You will see more of that. I think with everybody—and

            that also goes back to the relationships that are strengthening with the
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             other characters—we all are jumping into a lot of different arenas. I think

             it makes for some good story telling.

Moderator    Next we have Mac Collins at

M. Collins   My silly question is if you guys were going to do a duet together, what

             would you sing?

M. Bomer     You have all the song books, so you’d have to really dig in there. To me

             it’s very occasion specific because we do weddings, we do bar mitzvahs.

T. DeKay     Yes, we’d be more than happy to sing some for you, but our booking agent

             would not be happy.

M. Bomer     No, no.

T. DeKay     What song could we sing—would we sing? I can’t sing today. What’s

             that song ―Wherever he goes, whatever he—‖ Do you know that one?—

             ―we’ll always go through it together.‖

M. Bomer     Oh, I like that.
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T. DeKay      ―We may not go far, but sure as a star—‖

M. Bomer      I don’t know the song, but I love the sentiment.

T. DeKay      Yes, it’s a great one. That one comes to mind.

M. Bomer      I like that. I’ll go with that.

Moderator     The next question is from Hannah Lawrence at

H. Lawrence   You guys talked a little bit about who was going to be on the show this

              season, this upcoming season. You talked about which kind of shows you

              think White Collar would blend really well with that are also on the

              network. I was wondering what actors you’d like to work with in the

              future? Like anyone you want to have play someone’s girlfriend, like

              does someone you’d like to have on maybe a small arc on the show that

              you haven’t already had?

T. DeKay      Every time I’m asked this question I feel awful because I have a list of

              about 25 people, be it names that you would know and then names that
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              maybe you wouldn’t know, but are great actors that I know from theater or

              even way back in school. So, to give you two, my thought goes

              immediately to, ―Oh, that’s going to be printed and I didn’t give them this

              name. Oh, I hope this person doesn’t read that because I’d love to work

              with them.‖

M. Bomer      Yes. I agree with Tim on that. There are a lot of great actors out there

              regardless of their recognizability or desirability who would be great on

              the show. We’re open to anybody who wants to come play ball and have

              fun with us. I do have to say—I have to put it out there—if someone is

              going to play my dad I think Powers Boothe would be really good.

T. DeKay      Oh yes.

M. Bomer      But that’s just me, what do I know?

Moderator     Our last question is from Joseph Dilworth at

J. Dilworth   In light of this next new episode that we have coming up do you guys

              think that Peter is more understanding or appreciating of the art of the con

              and is Neal seeing more of the wisdom of doing things legally?
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M. Bomer   I hope so. I mean I think that’s sort of the long-term trajectory certainly in

           Neal’s character, is starting to see the benefit that his expertise has in

           helping the FBI and helping better people’s lives. The great thing about

           Jeff Eastin’s writing is usually when you think it’s going to go one way

           you never know what could happen next. I think he is, but I think there is

           a part—one of his feet is still planted somewhat firmly in the world that

           skirts the law or the typical moral parameters of getting what you want.

T. DeKay   Joe, that’s a great question. Really, that’s the crux of the show. I mean

           that balance going back and forth on that line is—that’s what we hope to

           keep the show living for many seasons.

M. Bomer   My dad used to—whenever we were fishing he used to say, ―Keep your

           line taut so the fish will bite.‖ I feel like between Neal and Peter the line

           always has to be taut. It can never be somebody comfortable, inherently

           trustful dynamic between them. There is always that tension of the poker

           game. What are you going to do next? What cards do you have and what

           are you going to play? Are you going to go the right way this time? Are

           you going to take your own road?
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T. DeKay    Yes, it’s true. To keep that with a poker game, they can be at the table

            having a beer together and enjoy it, but that tension is always there—


L. Murphy   Ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today’s session. I’d like to once

            again thank Tim DeKay and Matt Bomer for joining us, and remind

            everyone to tune in to new episodes of White Collar beginning Tuesday,

            January 18th at 10/9 Central on USA network. Thanks again and enjoy the

            rest of your day everyone.

M. Bomer    Thank you.

T. DeKay    Thank you everybody.

Moderator   That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your

            participation and for using AT&T Executive Teleconference; you may

            now disconnect.

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