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Protagonist Series _in Word_


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----------- Chronological Series of Episodes ----------Italicized titles are on all the things that can distinctly be identified as stories.

Part 1: Restricted, Emerging Period (perhaps approximately 19.5 years) \/
Grand Plot Vendetta Agent

Part 2: Introduction Period/Early Part (Approximately 4 or 5 years)
Notes: In this stage, they are more different from each other than later. They gradually become more similar, particularly in their personalities and principal. They have not yet learned to be as safe as they will be. (although Ludin is suspicious enough and knowledgeable enough after living in a totalitarian state to keep them safe) They later safety thing is stuff such as having questions to ask each other in case they are met with a doppelganger or spy. They readily accept outlandish lies from strangers from newly met civs. Now they begin to wander. First they tour other places like their own, but not the ones they aren‟t supposed to. After that, they leave for the farther and less known places. These places are barely known of, but the thing is that humanity just exists so densely that it can‟t all of it be connected. At this time, they don‟t think very differently from how they did before, except they are less optimistic. They are both very open. They can readily accept different people because of their early cross-ethnic experiences. However, they still hold many of their culture-learned rules to be true. At this stage Ludin is looking for certain truths he can accept, and is willing to support and join factions, and is perhaps eager to commit, except that he doesn‟t fell confident making big decisions or leading. Ludin often consults with Ulyphia for help. Ulyphya participates in things less actively than Ludin, but she is less likely to get caught up in things. Ulyphia is quicker to realize certain truths because she distances herself more. One of Ludin‟s traits is that he is never impressed by shows of power or status. Ulyphia can be though. Ludin doesn‟t have much desire for power, authority, or status. Ulyphia has some, though. She gets it from her mother. Also, she feels safer with it. Ludin is better able to connect with people. She seems more aloof, though she is more talkative. Ludin would seem to others to have less filtered qualities and to be a more normal person. Many assume she is a typical high-class beauty, believing herself to be better than them. Once they get to know her they see she is just very contemplative, and also that she is more slow to make friends (Like Ludin, she is really a very unique person, but she usually is more careful to get close to people similar to her) Neither give respect quickly. They respect and appreciate their friends, even though few have experienced and seen and learned as much as they have. The depth was really in them from the start. The amount they bring out is limited by necessity and the situations that being it out. Because they learned reality was different than it was presented during their childhood,

the capacity to reexamine was always with them. Because they are smart and have shared wisdom, they groe in the right way. They go to new places to search for better understanding in general, and sometimes they take a stand on somebody‟s side. Often they just visit a place and participate in what‟s going on, usually taking a secondary role. They get involved, but not very strongly. They move farther distances than many others usually care to. Their lives are very irregular, so as the story goes things change all the time. They gain and lose permanent friends and objects, but their core group is always together. (They wouldn‟t have their lives any other way. They have great freedom.) They learn of the problems in even the greatest civilizations they see, learning that there may be no perfect absolutes to trust in. They hear of events going back to time immemorial when entire civilizations would decide they knew the ultimate end, the final point. They hear that there are things going on outside of known reality, such as human gods, but they don‟t get far into that yet. In this stage, they don‟t go outside of a circle that‟s 100th of their galaxy wide. They get to see some very advanced and very primitive people (all very diverse), and their understanding of things grows but essential things get by them, and they don‟t yet see the broader picture of things. They adopt things from many cultures, and sometimes they make what they think would be permanent changes in themselves. They gain all sorts of material things, including changes to themselves. For instance, Ludin gets small organs in his wrists that allow him to shoot small muscle relaxants. They get chances to take really drastic changes to themselves, such as digitizing themselves or becoming different beings, but they wisely hold out to make better decisions, knowing there will be later chances. Neither have a strong commitment to something probably, because of perspective and reflection, but don‟t devote to a purpose because plan on living forever or a long time. Therefore, never puts selves in a niche and basically just wander, without strong loyalty. They don‟t believe in many things strongly enough to be willing to sacrifice own lives for anything. Eventually they gain the attention of a god-person, Gilthoniel. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. They have brief encounters with her before, though they are often unaware of it. The first definite encounters are brief and different from what other contemporary writers would make. It is when she makes major intrusions into their life that things change. partially adopts the non-violence later because he has evolved past that overly-used option. In the early stages, the simpler, and probably stupider wisdom and arguments of less advanced people will get through to them better than the thinkers of the more advanced type.

They can bounce around morally. Change is slow because Ulyphia is perpetually agnostic on most deeper issues (but remember still atheist) and Ludin is slow to change. Black Hole World State of Transition Right, Wrong, and Otherwise The Mortal Gods Nasty Surprise OCCURENCE: Young Justice The two are given the premise of deciding over which of two convicts to save by the captain. There are key differences between the two. Both are possibly innocent but certain to die if they are not spared. These hypothetical guys have a number of qualities. Ulyphia bases her choice principally on who is smarter. The two sort of debate their choices. Later, the captain actually brings them to a similar choice. When it is real, the way they judge changes.

Real Disaster Chaotic Progress Caused by Ignorance They meet some deity-people and they are messed with What Matters? They Are Also Wrong Students Teaching She manages to break away from her major vestiges of specific tradition, becoming a free-thinker (at least among the people of her type of history). She confirms humans aren’t special The Great and True Prophet Sajam Quest Thing He reaches the zenith of his mad frustration. Now the real changing can start. Enters distinctive characterization of this part, being the solemn and depressed one. OCCURRENCE: A bunch of characters are visiting somebody and doing ordinary things. They are guided into a room and the door is locked with just them inside. They are caught by surprise. In the middle of the room is just a table with a gun. They are left alone for hours, without any input from outside. The idea is that it‟s a test. The Passenger Ulyphia has some points she can be said to be less flexible on. The same people fight each other CHAR: Some person whose family dies and who has other tragedies takes a long time to understand that these things just happen. Thinks it’s a special case and the universe/god is specifically against him. Sometime antagonist that travels with them. Same people, different format CHAR: “Humanity is strife.” Somebody might think it‟s inhuman to lose all need to do anything. This person would be one of the deviants that separates and cuts off from the society of

origin. An Imponderable EVENT: The spy joins them. They start learning about cunning. Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong CHAR: Some of the most interesting antagonists are the kinds that have something mortally against the protagonists, but don‟t act like barbaric hateful types, but the kinds that simply feel that for some reason the protagonist simply must die, such as honor, or a general code of how things must be. CHAR: They meet an Übermensch In Good Company SETTING: Conservative adv. Soc. “Our tech is right.” SETTING: A sincerely stable and excellent society would be one in which all threats outside of themselves are defused or otherwise effectively harmless, and the only threats are from within. … A character‟s face changes all the time. If a character or people are like this in first advanced society, “I knew these people were untrustworthy, but wow.”…”Further proof that women are treacherous.” EVENT: They interact with the Republic for the first time. CHAR/OCCURRENCE: One character they pick up is a pure alien whose species has expanded fairly far and then seemingly finished. The characters think of them as having finished already, but don‟t realize until later that it is an example of the individuals that carry on species, as people have surely done for humans in their past. OCCURRENCE: At a place they visit, someone they know shows them the huge industrial place he works. His simple place is getting taken advantage of. Besides this, Ludin absolutely hates the sort of thing they are doing there. (From earlier in the story) “Please don‟t get angry at that.” “I‟m not angry. I‟m unhappy with the person, and I‟m annoyed. I‟m different from this when I‟m angry.” Later, is committing arson or something. “What are you doing?” “I‟m angry.” Lethal Kindness CHAR: Nice Warrior Guy

They get involved in that, and they also further antagonize the Republic. CHAR: Sometime, there can be an old-fashioned type of sci-fi hero. One quality could be that he has a techno-fix for everything. Spies in space They meet an independent type of individual who creates a structure in the middle of space so that he can live independently. … Character involved in issues: “I don‟t believe in fate, but I do believe in doom.” It‟s determinism. CHAR: Person living multiple lives as different animals. Memories of previous ones still exist, but they are submerged. They come up in ways, like remembering how things work and skills. His base thing is a sort of blob of information that can move like a mobile slime/gas that can inhabit empty bodies or plant itself into undeveloped bodies. It can have its memories and full consciousness as this. Ludin’s Religion He finds a difference between what is learned and what is true. “What you are told to do and what you learn to do is different.” The Overlord OCCURRENCE: Somebody says they and the rest of their people are fully aware and happy that they will inevitably die. The protagonists think of these people as pitiful and wrong. Although it‟s rather good of them to care like that, wanting to change others based on how you think is less than perfect. A CHAR‟s story intersects with theirs. Some character is tossed among many different people for years, and they all try to teach her their own different views and such. At some point, maybe they could intentionally try to form their own culture. (They would already develop a unique one of their own without trying.) Unlike societies, they do not develop their ways from a trial-and-error or survival of the fittest basis. It‟s all their own choices.

They separate from their captain.
This may be amiable or hostile. He may kick them out for anger or because it‟s good for them. They may decide it‟s time to leave. Maybe one reason they leave is that they are very unhappy about the inactive attitudes of their teachers, letting absolute disasters happen. Good Rebellion

SOCIETY: Believes in personal relativism, saying that the deep things about how one should act should be left to individuals. Another character: “If everything is judged based on the individual decision, what if I am indecisive or of split mind?” “Right is decided by the base units.” They meet the nemesis/counter guy for the first time. OCCURRENCE: She catches something that changed her dramatically, and never healed completely. SETTING: They are involved in a place going through transition. “Collective Knowledge System” Early step in collective mind. There are all good guys. They meet Gilthoniel “When I affect your life, then in effect you are mine, because I am responsible for the events your life goes on to take.” Another Argument with Godly Beings A being, no matter how powerful, is not divine. Odd structure > Different important things in a country being controlled by specifically different and conflicting interests, such as most of the economy being controlled by business, the media controlled by social scientists, all development by the scientists, government itself by volunteers. Fodder for conflict. When he hears from Gilthoniel that humans have been locked in countless cycles of history repeating, he wants to break the cycle and unite everybody so the human race can be said to succeed. She understands much better than he does that it‟s pointless, but she concedes he will learn the futility of that in time. Later it comes to him that it‟s actually sort of evil to do that, as it‟s so imposing. She admits to the non-existence of perfection Ludin decides he doesn’t want an ordinary life OCCURRENCE: They are trusted to affect a planet. They brought it on themselves, volunteering for it. Someone mentions "As soon as you land on this planet, it becomes special. Not necessarily for reasons of it's people or history, but because it's the one you are on. Now your position on it changes." Used in a story in which they have to make critical decisions affecting a planet.

CHAR: Gidge Quixole (who has an idealized woman he wants to produce) CHAR: One character always changes self mentally to adapt to things. Most people learn to act certain ways as kids and continue acting so their whole life, but this one never was cemented and changes outlook and behavior and such often. How would this character act if it ended up going into the position of a god-person? ISSUE: “Consider the implications if all meaning is produced.” It is, of course. Almost everyone goes the entirety of their lives needing to believe they are something greater than everything else; divine. It‟s something vicious, how they set themselves up so they must believe it so. Many stories can be told involving this. Heads vs. Tails Jeel gets intelligence and goes bad. Absolute Freedom First, someone finds self to be slave to complex things, such as always being subject to human-created conceptual things such as authority and imposed culture. From there, this person goes on to free self from more and more. Also goes free of expectations. At one far point, decides to be free from necessity itself. It goes on until there is nothing left to be free from-and what? Does that make this character lose his humanity? What does it mean? Perhaps the ultimate achievement here is pure intellect. This character was born shortly before indefinite lifespan becomes a reality (like I might have been). The pace of technology is slightly behind it‟s change of pace. Also tries to be free of determinism. Freedom from time itself. Übermensch My Perfect Leftist Society The perfect kind of leftist society would be immune to corruption as a side effect. Show how it responds to threats. It‟s at a technological level lower than the current one. Ludin takes a position of no killing. Fascist State They are persecuted for being atheist. “They‟ve put us in these ghettos for being atheist.” Watching a film that revisits the Holocaust, I wondered what my characters would do in a similar situation. I expect Ludin to have a hard time controlling himself, since the place would be similar to his home and he has explosive anger. Ulyphia would be patient and probably the more reasonable and wiser. They would both end up forming plans. It would be great if they could have a time when they can do what these sorts of people couldn‟t, a successful conflict. I think this would be in their second stage.

“Are you just going to help Atheists, your people, or all of us?” This is when Ludin is aware that nobody deserves death, and also when he knows Gilthoniel but won‟t take her help. Premise: Two great evil nations are the only choice. Communism vs. Fascism. CHAR: A character captures the anxieties people have about time. It is used to time being immobile and still. When it comes and sees time constantly moving forward, it gets very anxious. Such a thing would practically make it insane. Receives ability to shoot tiny barbs with muscle relaxant from wrists. ISSUE: “You can‟t say that freedom is the only way to be.” The characters could be made aware that in some universe they exist as fiction. They bring it up at times after they hear about it. Someone is very aware if this and refers to his life as a story. He also acts accordingly based on this. Someone else: “I die now knowing that I might only amount to a character in a story. Maybe not that even.” This is one that is aware of how anything might be written in a story. In the thing where they and some other people think they exist as fiction, the narrator keeps thinking he‟s the center of the story. “Maybe the writer is using me as his way to view the world. That means that in any sex scenes I have with you, he‟s in them too, in my head.” “The writer can be female too. Might not be human either.” One thing speculated is what genre they are in. Naturally, they wouldn‟t think of themselves as being in science fiction, because it would just be regular fictions to them. “I think it‟s clear at least that the writer is an atheist.” “We can‟t be sure. Maybe to the writer, in some way we can‟t see, we are actually a farce of our beliefs.” [Jugband Blues: “And I‟m wondering who could be writing this song.”] He determines humans aren’t special They become similar and close enough to become romantically involved. At first for a long while they are aware of how close they are and that they love each other, and when they have sex for the first time it develops unusually. He becomes like an advanced, enlightened, but still rather decisive and convicted future person. They reach point when they are about even. Ludin is recovered from low point; Ulyphia is down from high point. They visit identical replications of the “planet of origin” at various points in history. “The original humans were the first and only untouched sample. No manipulation. Absolutely the only true originals.”

In some premise, all the characters are struggling for the ultimate thing. Only one can win, and they get it. Some question if it really is a test. Protagonists put selves aside from contest and befriend controller. These characters act as if doomed if they fail. They are relatively few in number and this struggle goes on a cross several systems. These systems are populated with people unaware of this contest, and most live with such limits that they don‟t believe its possible (or they don‟t believe it otherwise.) Gilthoniel is running the test, giving a limited number of people the chance to have duplicate abilities to her own. They get a big ship. They take someone with them for a while. This person is shown how crazy he is. Later, he is back and thinks that it can‟t be real. “I must‟ve been crazy. I was in some sort of world where we weren‟t special, and there were all sorts of other things, and everything was so upside-down.” Ludin glimpses a life where Gilthoniel lets him live in her universe with purpose and meaning, but denies it. Living for a more powerful being does is not real meaning. They go to a sort of heaven and hell. It‟s ruled by two powerful godly people, who happen to be very opposite as they work. Among the things revealed are what makes a deity. A couple of people live simply and comfortably forever. “Look at them. They will never change.” Regular humans probably wouldn‟t have any drive in this case. They were not taught anything when younger, they sort of started existing. Ludin realizes there is no right way to be. Becomes like early Ulyphia. Ludin no longer can be said to have firm beliefs. Gilthoniel has them raise an offspring. When they are raising Gilthoniel‟s child: “I don‟t think you understand. This is a job. You will do this for an indeterminate amount of time. You must answer to someone with a higher designation.” There are a lot of experiences they try to bring it to. Some character(s) don‟t recognize people as different, or at least doesn‟t recognize different face. Applies to Gilthoniel‟s offspring. “We had to wear the same colors every day for a while. I remember when we switched our colors one day. It was funny for a while, but then it got a little annoying.” “Why do I keep changing my mind about things? I want to have things one way at a moment and another way at another.” “Those are emotions we learn to work with and around them.” “How fragile you are. You could achieve everything you want if you could be made to no longer care and then be given constant pleasure.” Someone who emigrates with them from Homeworld might decide to do just this in first advanced society.

Part 3: Later Part/Advanced Period (lasts a very long time)
Because of the constant effect of emotions, it’s seen that it’s necessary to actually change completely (and not a little, as planned). “Do you realize you got angry there?” She decides that it’s time to stop being so mortal and foray to more drastic actions. Ludin takes some time to forget everything temporarily. Imposes amnesia on himself. Perhaps he turns up with strangers. He is like a blank slate, with important residual memories. He catches sight of Ulyphia and feels open for no reason he knows of. Also, before he even re-learns language, he responds to weapons dramatically. The mysteriousness of the character to the narrators might make this a good introductory piece. Maybe it can also explore the emotional core of the character. He wants to try forgetting himself for a while to figure some things out. After a key thing happens he gets his memory back and also keeps the new ones. In the beginning of it, he is dropped in an area out of sight, and his mind is affected instantly so that he cannot access visual/audio memories. He keeps his motor skills and fundamental personality, but not much else. In the infinite multiverse, they separated. There are exact duplicates to be found, but neither can get over that it is not the actual same person. They are concerned for the individual. Maybe a character dies, and someone can‟t do anything to bring the person back. Instead, they get an alternate version of that person from another universe.(someone else, though). They truly sync, often running parallel from this point. In a late point, they are in an artificial universe. It was created by one person intending to lock himself away so he could avoid ever dyeing. He says at one point that he was unwilling to do what was necessary, and did this so he could exist for as long as possible. Welcomes his death, as it is among the better possible ones. Denies one from trying to condense his universe to a singularity and recreating it exactly, because it would still not be the same thing They visit their worlds hundreds of years in their future. The future Homeworld has lots of gears and machinery everywhere in a way that functionally makes it one big machine. Also in their future, they finally have expanded so much that the entire world is under their control. Before, they didn‟t take over that last fourth or so because it wasn‟t a bother and they were doing fine without taking it over. Even if the Barrener people are lost to assimilation, the race would probably be preserved through the spread of their genes. The advanced societies would probably be interested in preserving history, so they might take genetic histories of the group. The new Homeworlders compared to the old ones are like a different species in an evolutionary line. Ludin‟s people were like Cro-Magnons. Barren evolved really fast. People always reconsidered things, so social revolutions came

easy. Also, it‟s diversity didn‟t drop with progress. The Planet Barren is not the same as it once was. It‟s been changed a lot by technology. Also, it‟s people have been very spread out. They visit a place where they see the realism of fairness. A totally fair world would be completely flat, and everybody would develop exactly equally (if they developed at all). Ludin stops thinking of accepting help meaning possession. (Critical because of exchanges with godly people.) In one situation, everybody is, in some way, wrong. The protagonist characters could choose whichever side suits them best. Maybe the two mains could choose opposing sides. Ludin also decides that it’s time to foray into really drastic changes and actions.

Part 4: Last Part/Ultimate Period (Lasts evermore, without an end, ad infinitum)
They become full-on godly. In some part, there is a young person on a quest or something (like LOTR), and the two of them are mythical, casual figures. They search for a way to and secure their existence very firmly.

------------ Incidents and Details and Such -----------A symbol is blamed wrongly. There are two ambitious (and equally dislikable) men. The protagonists come in between and mess them up. At one point, Uliphya has had a relationship with a man that gets very serious. It‟s almost serious. He gets a chance to do some sort of long-term commitment that could be very good for him. He doesn‟t want to do it if it means she doesn‟t go with him, but she has a so-be-it attitude and instantly makes up her mind not to go into the permanent long-term commitment. The thing is that she knows love can fade over time, and so a long-term thing like that is totally impossible to consider. A hologram says, “A semblance of neurons make what you consider living intelligence. I‟m a semblance of images, but if the end product is identical what is the difference?” Explore the

definition of life. The definition and the way to act toward life is different depending on the nature of the life form being approached. A computer projection is another one. Perhaps to thicken, there is an AI with its own mind running it, making it considerable as a sub-mind. The previous owners said they hated it when the parts of their mechanisms stopped working, especially when they did it deliberately. Sometime Ulyphia has a severe thing: “Endless walking; sensed mind fading; fell into mental oblivion; did crazy things; mind went back, still remember everything.” Someone notes of them: “Such people. You know so much yet you haven‟t escaped the basest desires, and you are so concerned with being the right person that you fail to actually be a good person.” Character is happy that he doesn‟t remember anything about his identity. There have been times when I felt weird about myself, like it‟s hard to comprehend the idea of identity. It would be nice to look at myself from the outside. This character might like having no idea who it is because of this sort of feeling, or it might be unhappy about who it was and have wished for this. “I don‟t know, but I‟m happy about this.” “You don‟t understand!” “Believe me, I have plenty of understanding. I have considered everything and I‟m confident in how I‟ve decided to look at it.” "You have impressed me with your abilities. We were enemies, but I want to ask you to join us." Ludin would respond negatively, while the nemesis would respond positively. Brain of a dumber animal put into robot or humanoid body. Point is, it‟s suddenly smart but has the same mind. This creature is mammalian. They contend with a conditioned radical. The odds are about even, but they win because they learned things much better than he did. She was walking though the shop. She saw nothing interesting at all. The most interesting thing here happened in her head. As she thought about the universe and it‟s oddities, she realized “Why is any moment considered more extraordinary than any other? Everything in the universe is the same stuff running along the same rules, so what is really different about a supernova compared to this moment?” "There are always people using you." In some way, this is true for everyone. Manipulation exists in many ways and is always present. The protagonists see this eventually and later get away from that eventually. Sees leaders of the good guys praying “Are these bad people?” Sometime, he is helping a nation that is fighting a dictator nation (a clear war, like Axis vs Allies). He is present when leaders of

that nation and an ally meet. Although he believes they are the good guys, his views change when he sees them have a group prayer and hymn. ”Can your science explain that?” “No acceptable explanations have some up yet, but it is only a matter of time. Also, I want to ask you if your religion can explain the change from day to night, how the Internet works, or how diseases work.” Person loves somebody dislikeable, like a nerd liking a cool kid. The thing is that the love is considered unconditional, since there is no clear reason why they should. The truth turns out to be something sad, like that person being attractive or something like that. People making him misjudge by convincing him to look at knowledge as “knowing” instead of “thinking”, the opposite of which being something that he was encouraged to do early on. A few times Ludin is in a tight situation in which an enemy has grabbed a stranger and holds him/her hostage. The three are alone and both armed (If Ulyphia is there as well, she might dart out of the picture to find an advantageous position form out of sight.) This is one of those things in which other shows might conveniently find a way out of the dilemma from an external source, and so the protagonist doesn‟t have to resolve the dilemma. In the first case, Ludin might reason: “I don‟t even know this person. The question is over who‟s life will be lost. Hers or mine?” Other heroes might choose the honorable path and surrender, when they should logically be shot as a consequence. Ludin doesn‟t take that risk. He would either make a standoff to be solved by external forces (which would put him at a big disadvantage, because the opponent could use the hostage as cover and shoot him) or he could go for a headshot. The results of either could be regrettable. The situation could repeat itself later, except that I see them as being more prepared and knowledgeable (Ludin‟s implanted wrist thing would allow him to just spray them both and then have the enemy at mercy. Then again, if those were functional, he might not get into that situation in the first place.) This could also be visited again in a situation artificially created by Gilthoniel. (Maybe just write this as a standalone story in which he repeats it in every outcome and with every factor changed.) Sometime, Ludin uses the muscle-relaxant thing in his wrists and people think that person died. He later learn they buried him alive. He gets these to avoid killing anyone, but it happens anyway. A leader of a small, dangerous group says to step back and look at them without bias, supposing that he himself is unbiased and therefore right. Instead, it‟s said “I see a group of disheartened people, who are being led by one man to blame others and who excuses the things he wants them to do with faulty reasoning. I see the same scheme that has practically destroyed the human race many times over in the past.” “It‟s really quite easy to predict the future once you „get it‟, and then you and anybody else who can do it become very significant factors in the universe. Only those with the greatest skill in it can manage to make more than one significantly consequential change and still predict the future correctly.”

Imagined a scene where Ludin is behind some global scheme that changes a lot of things, and because of his misleading abilities he walks through a bunch of reporters and other people who think somebody else is behind everything. The scheme of the story may be that they again imposed themselves somewhere to change a world. “You could have done so much with it. Such a power, and you use it for your simple ideals. Fools like you will never know, Ludin.” A bored long-living person has nothing to do and wants to pursue the same course of life as the protagonist pair. This sort of thing would fundamentally be the opposite. He‟s done and consigned and wants to start again. Pretty different from the younger protagonists. Think of how Dr. Who would think of it. The protagonists break though their natural limitations. At some point, a character tries to have Ludin overcome one of his (newer, more sophisticated) convictions and kill a random, innocent person. Some character brings up the point during a later part that if you will forgive others for anything, why don‟t you let yourself do it? It‟s what you let others do compared to what you let yourself do. It‟s called hypocritical to prevent yourself from doing things that are considered tolerable when others do it. A story that portrays them as bad guys in the narrator‟s point of view. They are misfits. For example, Ludin would be his forgiving self, but there are ways to look at my people as bad. As a little thing, Gil has Ludin in a self-contained area. She creates something that just keeps getting bigger and bigger, no matter how close you get. It‟s supposed to be unsettling, but Ludin points out that it can‟t be dangerous if it can never reach him. “You‟re no fun.” How far should respect for beliefs extend? How much does it for them? Will they tolerate and not infringe and not try to change beliefs on weather a camera will steal your soul when your picture is taken? What about when people believe they should destroy everybody else in the universe? “Look at the enthusiasm and passion.” “That means absolutely nothing as to how correct they are.” In the middle stage: “It‟s coming. Take that weapon,” “You want me to do it because you claim to be too good too. So it‟s okay if I do this, but not you?” “Look, it‟s my failure. I try as I can.” Sympathizing with someone killed, thinking of self as becoming that person. “It was more than me that killed him. Lies, his thoughts, other‟s wants, my will to live;

everything came together and it happened just so.” Maybe the first time Ulyphia kills somebody. “I think it says something about you when you can be friends with your enemies later.” “That I‟m gullible?” “No. That you‟re open-minded. That you‟re forgiving. It‟s good.” „What if I am stopped by a cop? If I can‟t come up with a good explanation, won‟t they arrest or kill me?” “Well, if they are the sort of cops who kill you if they don‟t know who you are, don‟t worry about giving them mercy. If they aren‟t, just let them do what they want and let them take you in. We‟ll take care of you after that.” “Maybe someday I‟ll be a hero. They will know me well.” “That‟s very unlikely. Nobody is remembered forever in this universe except [name].” “Why?” “This person was a post-human who deliberately affected the universe to not be an illusion. Since then, it‟s endured among the super advanced and many others.” “Why do you call this person „it‟?” “Well, it was born female, but after changing so much she didn‟t fit gender labeling. Seemed somewhat male later.” “You are still so conservative. You‟re like an animal that wants to be in his home environment, even though thigns are so much better here.” “Do you actually think they will carry their end of the bargain? This can‟t work.” “I know. I won‟t either. No matter what tolerable possibilities happen, their future is hopeless anyway.” Arrangements happen between protagonists and antagonists often where they both have things that they need. The antagonists are often treacherous. Realistically, the best thing is that protagonists are also clever. She said “If you‟re so unsatisfied, wouldn‟t it be easier and better to just make yourself happy?” He thought about it for a minute, perhaps working it out. “You mean I should decide to feel better about it?” “I‟m asking why you don‟t.” “Because it‟s a terrible idea.” “Why?” “Well, I think there are a lot of reasons. First, the more I do that the worse I‟ll allow things to get. It will just be ignoring.” “So do you want to trust your feelings?” “You like her?” Trapped in a metal thing. It‟s like a bus or shuttle or something. Some noisy thing is on the top, and they get it by being clever.

“Are you an escaped primitive?” “Are you a coward?” “I don‟t know. What do you call a coward?” “Look, just because your threatening to kill me if I don‟t do this doesn‟t give me the proper incentive. How can you prove to me that you won‟t do it once I‟ve told you?” “This child isn‟t going to keep quiet. You have to scare him. Let him know the full gravity of the situation.” “I don‟t understand these people. I call them people, but I think of them as the true gods. They are also so great. They are so much better than I.” “Nobody is better than anybody.” “I visited a slaughterhouse once. I sympathized a lot with the animals.” Loves a woman, but during the course of events she's shown to be very empty and undeserving. Charles Dickens probably wrote something like this before. “She changes a lot. It‟s not sudden, but she seems like different women at some times.” “It‟s a long-term physical reaction to stimulus. You‟ve probably notices she seems more female at some times compared to others. The response responds most strongly to stress. Short term instances pushes toward more male behavior, and long term pushes toward female.” It‟s a part of their flexibility. It offends at times. At a time when their lives are in danger, an advanced person brings up a question. “Do you think you should exist, or do you simply have the desire to exist?” Much later, someone tries to kill them by making it so they fail to exist. Maybe the antagonist. Ulyphia mentions once that she is doing something for the purpose of showing off, and a discussion comes up from that. Someone says of fate: “You can‟t leave the train. Leaving the train is deadly. You can‟t derail the train, this is obviously against the design. You can only hope someone else switches it for you.” Talks to a river They don‟t understand or know as much in the beginning and early parts and neither do the readers. There is a lot of ambiguity and confusion and things still unknown. “Nobody will hate you for not helping. You can‟t be expected to be a crusader. Nobody wants you to be a crusader.”

“Long-term changes already in you, but it is delayed because you take time to get to like it.” “It‟s all just so temporary.” Same sense given on the ship and on more permanent-feeling places. The future people tell a story, sort of a fable of their own. It‟s about a person who gets things done. The entire thing, she doesn‟t fight at all, but she prevails by being well informed and correct. In the obstacles involving other people, she copes with, compromises with, goes around, turns, or ignores. The ultimate point of her efforts is basically an anticlimax. There are times when safety precautions end up being too safe, and others get hurt, as in a virus they don‟t want to spread to them. Gilthoniel: “There is a problem at my level, and maybe in the higher ones. As it is, we must cease to exist in the very far future.” Infinite life means infinite chance of eventual destruction. Either it must be made so there is no chance at all, or it‟s infinite. It‟s a rather simple thing to realize, but I didn‟t until today. Everything will inevitably fail. “Everything will inevitably fail. There is no perfection, and nothing has ever existed for eternity. In infinite time, all odds will occur, and everything will cease to maintain itself.” “What of heaven itself?” “If there is any chance of failure, then given an eternity it is certain to fail.” They gain a little something from every experience. “If all is neutral and there is no „should‟, then what do I do? Do I decide based on objectives? There is no „should‟ to my objectives, so will they be whatever I decide they will be? Will they be based on emotion, or reason? If they are based on reason, then they are moot. I‟m free to do as I will, so what will it be? Also, perhaps objectives are for those who have common life. So what will mine be? I still don‟t know. I still don‟t understand those advanced people, and their ultimate reasons for anything.” Undecided with the whole “freedom” thing “Maybe you should go on for now as you will, and then after more discovery you‟ll know what you want to do.” There is a desperate situation where it look like they have to eat each other to survive. Among the extreme ways people start to act, Ulyphia (who may be the most physically dangerous there) says “The right way to do this is a debate.” Later, she decides on her own and takes it into her own hands. A character thinks of Ulyphia as masculine because of her animal-like qualities and strength. He never had a father, and at some point she seems like a father figure to him for her maturity.

“How can you be so certain that he will survive?” (Cheerily) “Why, I just know!” “(Moans) How inspirational…” “The landslide only injured the people in the house, thank god!” “If you are going to thank god, then you should naturally blame him as well.” Known as the unlucky by some primitive people because they don‟t attribute things to luck. Some place is hazardous because of small automatic beam weapons meant to kill nuisance animals. They are minor threats to humans, but their danger grows with numbers. “Did you hear her scream back there? I didn‟t think she could ever make a noise like that.” I think she looked like was subduing some embarrassment as she walked by. “If everybody was represented by 1000 people in one room, who would we be?” “The ones in the back. Because we would be leaving.” Somebody acts mysterious to them, giving them specific advice and such mysterious things. Ulyphia, like other Barreners might be, isn‟t unnecessarily scared (but still smartly suspicious) Somebody makes sarcastic remarks and ones in which he mockingly uses the terminology the people he doesn‟t like would use, and the Homeworlers don‟t get it. In early part, there should definitely be examples of Knight Templar-type characters who would seem to be on the good side but are too carried away. Later, these sorts are more obviously seen as bad guys. In reality, both sides are usually Knights Templar. “I seek to atone for a robot I killed.” “It was a bad robot.” “Just the same.”

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