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Histories of the Kingdom of Caid.

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From: kellogg at ucssun1.sdsu.edu (C. Kevin Kellogg)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting
Date: 18 Nov 1994 02:10:04 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

Shop Smart...Shop S-Mart! (00pfpogue at bsuvc.bsu.edu) wrote:
:      Unto the residents of the Rialto Joshua Morgenstern bids greetings and
:Shalom.

:     I'd like to hear, through posts or email, what opinions all of you on the
:bridge have on this subject, whether the persons named be Society-wide
:phenomenons or Kingdom legends. All I ask is that you generall believe that
:this person had something of an influence on the way your entire kingdom or the
:Society itself fought. I'm hoping to gain at least a general idea of how our
:unique martial art came to evolve over the years.

      Well, for Caid, I believe most of the legends of the West can be
counted as influences here. Probably the most mentioned old
Western fighters are Duke Paul and Duke Ragnar. For individual stylings
from Caidans, Duke Martin the Temperate, Hugh the Undecided, Duke Gregory
of York. From not too long ago, Duke Edward Ian Anderson. Most recently,
Grandjarl Ivan the Illustrated, Duke Guy, Sir Freewind Finboggison, Duke
Avery of Kempsford.

      For group combat, I believe that Hugh the Undecided started Caid
on the road of coordinated group combat, mixed units of poles and shields,
with the Brotherhood of the Blade. Duke Armand de Sevigny, Duke Gregory of
York, Sir Tryggvi Halftrollson, Count Balin of Tor, Sir Kamal Mishwa,
have been the most instrumental in Caid's recent evolution of a national
army, brigading together existing warbands by geographic area, and setting
up the structure of the general's staff and the system of the Captain
General chosen by the army, not the king.

            Avenel Kellough

:      Joshua ben-Julian ben-Praz Morgenstern, called Azrael
:      Historian, Shire of Afonlyn
:      Middle Kingdom


From: tech_con at bga.com (Fox Purtill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: History of SCA fighting
Date: 20 Nov 1994 10:56:18 GMT
Organization: Castle Keep BBS

In article <3ah2ds$6ss at gondor.sdsu.edu>, kellogg at ucssun1.sdsu.edu (C. Kevin
Kellogg) says:

>         Well, for Caid, I believe most of the legends of the West can be
>counted as influences here. Probably the most mentioned old
>Western fighters are Duke Paul and Duke Ragnar. For individual stylings
>from Caidans, Duke Martin the Temperate, Hugh the Undecided, Duke Gregory
>of York. From not too long ago, Duke Edward Ian Anderson. Most recently,
>Grandjarl Ivan the Illustrated, Duke Guy, Sir Freewind Finboggison, Duke
>Avery of Kempsford.
>
>         For group combat, I believe that Hugh the Undecided started Caid
>on the road of coordinated group combat, mixed units of poles and shields,
>with the Brotherhood of the Blade. Duke Armand de Sevigny, Duke Gregory of
>York, Sir Tryggvi Halftrollson, Count Balin of Tor, Sir Kamal Mishwa,
>have been the most instrumental in Caid's recent evolution of a national
>army, brigading together existing warbands by geographic area, and setting
>up the structure of the general's staff and the system of the Captain
>General chosen by the army, not the king.
>
>                 Avenel Kellough
>
>:       Joshua ben-Julian ben-Praz Morgenstern, called Azrael
>:       Historian, Shire of Afonlyn
>:       Middle Kingdom
>
  I started in Caid in 1975, and I was trained by a fighter now deceased known
as Sir Fergie McFerguson. I remember watching fights between Duke Paul Bellatrix and
a number of others, I even remember that a number of the moves I was trained to use
had his name attached to them.
  However, One name you mentioned brought back some of the warmest memories I have ever
had. One Duke Armand de Sevigny and his Duchess Diana. I was quite young when I
participated in SCA events in Caid, under the name Lord Fox of the Mellow Marsh, and I
remember well the kindness and feeling Armand and Diana always extended to those
around them. They always had time for a troublesome teen like myself and often a kind
word. Among those hundreds I have known in the SCA through the years I shall always
remember those two with fondness in my heart for I hope that I shall someday be
remembered as well by another as I remember them.

      In Service,
      Lord Crispin L. Starblade, (once Lord Fox of the Mellow Marsh)



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         Barony of Bryn Gwlad, Ansteorra


From: pat at lalaw.lib.CA.US (Pat Lammerts)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: single fighters
Date: 9 Nov 1995 23:37:50 -0500
Organization: The Internet

Dear Dorothea,

Your are somewhat mistaken about Lorissa du Griffin.
She became Princess of Caid because Balin of Tor
wanted to fight for someone no one would link him to
romantically. He had knew her to be a mature young
lady who would make an excellent princess. This is
what Bjo told me at the time and have heard the same
from others in Balin's household.

Huette


From: brettwi at ix.netcom.com(Brett Williams )
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Cloved Fruit
Date: 13 Dec 1995 18:06:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom

In <DJJA2y.LAt at murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f at fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU
(Greg Lindahl) writes:
>
>In article <1995Dec8.144138.17446 at atlas.tntech.edu>,
>Mary Spila <mms6824 at tntech.edu> wrote:
>
>>Could/would someone PLEASE give me a brief history of how the game of
>>passing cloved fruit was introduced to the SCA. I am doing a brief
>>class on the game, (emphasizing "Don't be a jerk") and would like
>>some more information than what I already know.
>
>I've never heard anyone claim that they knew the origin of this game,
>other than vague rumblings that it originated 15+ years ago in
>Carolingia. It does seem to have died out in Atlantia. There was one
>attempt to revive it last weekend, but I don't think it was very well
>received. And my lady threw out this lovely pomander that the queen
>herself gave me, the nerve!
>
>Gregory Blount

I know exactly when and how it was introduced to Caid-- I was there.
At the Pentecost feast held by Duke Aonghais and Lady Mary Taran of
Glastonbury (their wedding), a tall man by the name of Alexander sur le
Mer (from the Kingdom of the East) called for silence and explained the
custom. I later recognized Lord Alexander as the only Life Member later
listed in Tournaments Illuminated for a number of years. There were
some 200 SCA folk present (and some 20 to 50 more mundane wedding
guests as well). Two cloved lemons circulated with some decorum and
blushing for the rest of the evening.

As Armand and Diana were present at that event as the Crown Prince and
Princess of the Kingdom-to-be of Caid, that was a very long time ago.




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ciorstan


Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:34:47 EST
From: THLRenata at aol.com
Subject: SC - Pea soup humor - a true (but long) SCA story

All this thread of pea soup is making me a bit queasy, and not just 'cause
I'm home with stomach flu today! Here's why:

Long, long ago in the Kingdom of Caid the King decided that he absolutely MUST
attend 12th Night in the Kingdom of the West. Since Caid's 12th Night was
scheduled for the same day, this King took it upon himself to change the date
of Caidan 12th to the week AFTER the West's (where it has remainded to this
day.) Remember, this was in the days when we didn't need to reserve halls a
year in advance and newsletter deadlines were 2 days before the issue went in
the mail. The King felt that 1 month's notice was plenty -- and it was and
Caid had a fine 12th Night that year.

Unfortunately, some of the King's subjects from Western Seas (Hawaii) had
planned to attend Caid 12th Night and had non-changable plane tickets. So the
Barony of Altavia (where the guests were staying) deceide to throw them an
"11th Night" feast.

All of this was done on very short notice, so it was decided that the feast
should be assigned pot-luck, with every 4 people bring the same dish. This
way, if was felt, there would be enough of each dish for all. I should
mention that this was my second SCA event, the first one being a council
meeting.

The feast took place at the home of a duke and duchess. Her Grace was in
charge of assigning the recipes. All of the recipes were from the book
"Fabulous Feasts" (remember, this was a long time ago when we didn't know
better) and NONE of the recipes had been taste tested.

Needless to say, the dishes ranged in quality from OK to mediorce (sp?) to
downright awful, depending on the recipe and the skill of the cook. Looking
back on it now, probably most of the food would have been OK if it had been
served hot, but no arrangements for re-heating had been provided.

Where, I can hear you ask, is the pea soup in this story? Well, His Grace the
Duke had decided to grace the feast with his specialty, split-pea soup. Since
the feast was at his house, it was easy for him to make a large vat of it.
But, on the day of the feast he ran into a problem -- his usual thickener was
not available. Rumaging thru his wife's spice cabinet, he decided (legend
has it) to use arrowroot as a substitute thickener.

The soup started to expand. His Grace started to bail the expanding soup
into another pot. At the end, where there was once one vat of soup, now
there was two. And to top it off, it burned as well.

Bowls of this nasty liquid (with black bits floating in it) were served to the
feasters. And His Grace Stood up from his place at the high table as asked:
"Everyone's enjoying the soup -- RIGHT?"

Now adays the barony laughs at this story, as do the visitors from Hawaii,
some of whom live here now. But to this day, I have never been able to
tolerate even the smell of split-pea soup.

Renata
Barony of Altavia



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Kingdom of Caid
Los Angeles, CA


Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:01:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SC - Cooking Laurels

-   --- Elaine Koogler <ekoogler at chesapeake.net> wrote:
>   Yeah, I know...and you know....but he apparently didn't reckon with the fact
>   that someone other than one of his "buds" would win
>   Crown. As it happened, (if
>   memory serves), that Crown was won by one Stephan of
>   Bellatrix...as opposite an
>   individual from this King as possibly could be. So
>   now we're back on track...I think.
>
>   Kiri

So you had one of the Ducklings as your king.   Right
on!

Back when Caid was a Principality of the West, during
one of the many reigns of his parents, Paul and Carol,
they had come to Caid for a Coronet Tourney in the
Barony of the Isles (Santa Barbara). The tourney site
was fairly wild and had a stream running through it.
Stephan was about 5 or 6 at the time. He had gotten
bored and wandered off following the stream looking
for, if I recall correctly, frogs and such. He was
not missed until closing court. We had to delay
closing court for 1.5 hours while we all fanned out
and searched for him. He was found several miles
upstream. Paul had made some comment about how hard it
was keep track of his kids when on the throne because
his kids tended to scatter. Someone then quipped,
"Like ducklings, huh?" And the name stuck, at least
here in Caid.

Huette


From: "Trish Kvamme" <ladyoftherose at hotmail.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: RE: ANST - SCA PEERS
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:33:24 GMT

>That is the case in this Kingdom. There have been Kings in other
>Kingdoms that have not been members of the Chivalry. I believe
>that Caid has had a couple.
>
>Petruccio

Caid had two to my knowledge. The first was Glen ap Rhodri (now Earl Sir
Glen) who was King at 18, and did a job worthy of someone with the maturity
of many years beyond his (this was early 80's) youth. After his reign, his
conduct and his chivalry showed him worthy to be elevated.

He had made it clear to his knight that if he had ever won a crown before he
became a knight, he did not want to be "belted" as prince, but wanted to
reign first, to show his merits as a possible member of the chivalry.



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He is a really neat person, but hasnt been very active due to his career in
professional football *grin*

The other is Duke Dirk Ivanovich whom I only briefly met once after I had
moved away from Caid.

So there is my foreign Kingsom history lesson for the day *L*

Larissa


Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:34:43 -0500
From: Vicki Shetler <shetler at home.com>
To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: ANST - SCA PEERS

That is correct, Duke Dirk has won and sat the throne twice in Caid without ever being
made a knight or master.

Isolde von Rugen


Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:13:09 -0700
From: Susan Fox-Davis <selene at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SC - other names for cola

>           And all of that started with a group of folks in Caid who were giving
>   Coca-Cola as a prize for their tourney. They wanted to know what the
>   name of the group in Atlanta was, as it was the home-town of Coke, and
>   coined the phrase for their event. We did not find out about it until
>   some time later, but we liked it a lot when we did hear about it. We
>   have since had tourneys by the same name.
>           Mistress Christianna
>           Barony of the South Downs

Um... that would have been me, in Caid, sometime in the late '80's. That was a
long time ago! The expression "Ale-Tavia" which didn't quite sound harmonious to
my ear. But we 'valley girls' will insist on our Diet Cokes, at least we found a way
to sneak it in without totally destroying the period ambience.

We need to write a song, that will get the word out. Maybe to the tune of 'That
Good Old Mountain Dew", that good old South Downs Ale... will work on it.

Selene
an Altavia Girl, fer sooth


From: Stephen <stephen at invalid.verso.org>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Questions about Chisels
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:27:04 +1300

> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> Somebody else
>> (don't even know the name) got his for photography.    (Living in
>> Caid when it was still part of the West.)

Anthony J. Bryant wrote:
> You've got to be kidding about that. Please tell me you're kidding.




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I've even corresponded with a lady who claimed to be that Laurel!

As far as I recall, she received her laurel in the days when there were
no Pelicans, and the implication I got was that she'd done a lot of
service for the kingdom, and Powers That Be wanted to recognize that,
and the thing they came up with was photography.

But I've never actually met the person, so it's mostly hearsay.

Ulf
Quarterly Gules and Argent
Dartonshire, Lochac


From: Stephen <stephen at invalid.verso.org>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Questions about Chisels
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:34:39 +1300

> But I've never actually met the person, so it's mostly hearsay.

 From http://www.sca-caid.org/laurels/Joan.htm

Mistress Joan of Crawfordsmuir
Photography and Cooking
Elevated April 29, l978
By Terrence and Allisandra
King and Queen of the West

Ulf
Quarterly Gules and Argent
Dartonshire, Lochac


Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 03:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Creative Supplimentation (was RE: [Sca-cooks] English
      Doctors     want to ban pointy knives...)
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Hi Celia!

As a long time resident of the Kingdoom of Caid [31 years next Sept.] and a Feast chef
for almost as long, another reason for the lack of frequent banquets and a lack
camping events in Caid is that, not counting our Hawaiian territories, we are a very
compact kingdom and Southern California is a very heavily populated area. People can
drive to one day events and go home to a warm bed and clean showers.

If you have had the opportunity to ever drive from Califia [San Diego] to Angels [Los
Angeles],you will notice that as you drive north there are very few areas of
wilderness or rural farmland. Just a whole lot of interconnected cities.
Consequently, wild, open areas in Caid are fewand far between. So, our camping events
are the wars, of which there are currently six. Although there has been a push in
Caid to restart the West-Caid wars. If that happened, that would be seven.

Here in Angels, which is Los Angeles, there are only a couple of parks that have
enough territory to hold a camping event. One is Griffith Park, which is in the heart
of Los Angeles. I believe we have tried to have a camping event there, but the park
is hideously expensive and located in an urban area where it is used at night by
mundanes of questionable intent. The event wasn't well attended and we lost a lot of
money. Another area is Whittier Narrows Park. It has very nice facilities and the



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cost is more reasonable than Griffith Park, but it is located in a poor neighborhood
with heavy gang activity. We had one camping event there. The event went mostly well
until a young teenaged girl got up in the middle of the night on a Sunday night to use
the privies and was assaulted by two or three gang members. Fortunately her screams
brought a couple dozen men with swords drawn which scared away her attackers. She
wasn't injured, just badly frightened. However, it was decided that the park was just
too dangerous to use again.

I was part of the committee that put on our 20th Anniversary Celebration, now 15 years
ago. We wanted to put on a four day camping event in an area within our borders.
Other than the two parks I mentioned, most of the campgrounds in our borders were in
the mountains, which had nice camping areas, but no suitable areas for fighting. We
eventually found a privately owned campgrounds that had a smallish but decent fighting
area. They charged us over $5000 for the weekend.

  I am told that the event was a lot of fun. I spent all my time putting on two
banquets for 300+people using a very primitive kitchen, i.e. no running water and a
few counters, but they did have a huge 5'x3' charcoal grill, a propane griddle and a
25 gallon propane coffee pot. I managed to serve period foods quite successfully.
The first night was a Royal feast of 15 dishes, servers and table decorations. The
second night was a beggar's feast, where we feed the leftovers + a few extras and the
diners had to beg the cooks for their supper. I spent Labor Day scrubbing borrowed
pots and being generally exhausted.

When I first joined the SCA, getting decent halls for events was relatively easy and
cheap. We used to have a lot of banquets, mostly consisting of period foods. However,
as church's budgets tightened, they began to raise prices until it is difficult to
find a hall for less than $1000 for one night. A couple of years ago, I found a great
hall for 12th Night, but I had to wheedle, cajol and plead poverty to get the cost of
that hall down to $2000 for the one night. And if you are putting on a smaller event,
like a baronial anniversary,$2000 is just not affordable.   There are three events
that usually bring in enough people to warrant a large banquet, and they are 12th
Night and Spring and Fall Coronation. Our next Coronation is this coming weekend, it
has a banquet and is being held in Califia.

As for getting game meats for banquets and/or growing ones own food, that just isn't a
possibility here, as very few of our members live in rural areas where one can grow
enough food to put on a 300+ banquet. As for using and or finding game meats, it is
very costly for one person to go hunting here and the limits are such that one person
couldn't provide enough meat for an entire banquet. Such meats are very costly when
purchased in a supermarket.

As for your experience with camping at Potrero. Households are not all the same. You
can find in Caid every kind from the extremely period reenactors down to the guys who
are just there for the fighting, drinking and jiggle bunnies, who don't give a darn
what they eat as long as it tastes good, is plentiful and is cooked by someone other
than themselves.

Caid has several baronial level cooking guilds. I believe there are at least two in
Califia. The Baronies of Gyldenholt, Dreiburgan and Wintermist and the Shires of
Darachand of Heatherwyne all have a cooking guild of some sort. There might be others
that I am not aware of.

Yes, we do have a different approach to what kind of events we hold, but that doesn't
make the many less fun. And you will find that the events held on mainland Caid are
different from those held in the Barony of Western Seas [Hawaii], both of which are
different from that other kingdoms do.

I hope that you will enjoy your time in Caid.   I hope that someday we
can meet.




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Huette von Ährens
Barony of Angels, Kingdom of Caid.

--- Celia des Archier <CeliadesArchier at cox.net> wrote:
> /me laughs...
> Alright, except that if you run them down with your car, you won't get
> arrested for killing them out of season, or for killing more than your
> "limit" ;-)
>
> But seriously, and trying to move back to the topic as relates to SCA
> Cooking ;-), I just moved from Meridies (the Southeast) to Caid (Southern
> California). I wasn't active when I lived in South Downs (Atlanta, GA), and
> I haven't been active since I moved out here to Calafia (San Diego, CA), but
> in both cases I socialized with folks from the SCA, as well as folks who
> planned feasts for other camping activities. I was very active on and off
> when I lived in Glaedenfeld (Nashville, TN) and did some feastcrating there
> {which shows my age ;-), as I understand that term is now out of favor and
> has been for a while :-) .}
>
> One of the things that has been a bit of culture shock since I moved out
> here has been the difference in cultural attitudes about feasting. The
> first SCA folks I met out here were very kind and invited me to travel with
> their household with the upcoming Portrero War. In an effort to repay them
> for their kindness I offered to play "camp Mom" and plan the meals,
> expecting to stay as "period" or "perioid" as possible, which shocked them.
> The idea of trying to at least contribute to the "illusion" by including
> period and perioid foods seemed foreign to them (as did the idea that their
> kids might actually enjoy those foods ;-)   I later found that the vast
> majority of the events here were 1 day events, or if they were two day
> events they concluded in the evening of day 1 and resumed on day 2. The
> exception seemed to be the few large wars. Again, I haven't had the chance
> to attend any events yet, and I've just recently renewed my membership, so
> this impression was obtained primarily second and third hand, by talking to
> folks, but out here feasting seems to be the exception rather than the rule,
> whereas in the Southeast it is almost always integral to the event.
>
> Now, I know that there are exceptional cooks out here in the West, so it was
> curious to me that this should occur, until I started talking to folks about
> the reasons why, and it seems that it comes down to two issues, both of
> which are primarily related to cost. The first is that in the Southeast we
> have access to inexpensive parks, which doesn't seem to be the case out here
> in California. Apparently getting a camping site for the weekend is simply
> prohibitively expensive out here, whereas it is not in the Southeast.
>
> But the other is that food is less expensive, and it is not at all unusual
> for feastcrats in the Southeast to supplement their feasts with wild game,
> often procured through very clever means. I've known feastcrats (again,
> what we were called at the time, but I will be happy to use the current term
> if folks will let me know what they prefer) who have raised their own
> rabbits for stew, who have obtained free venison for an event of as many as
> 300 people by having a good relationship with their local 'ranger' (these
> were not road kill either, these where deer who had been hunted and dressed
> and then seized because they were either hunted out of season or above the
> hunter's bag limit. The meat was then butchered for size and kept
> refrigerated to give away specifically to non-profit organizations), as well
> as feastcrats who hunted for their feasts. And while procuring supplemental
> sources of meat probably had the most impact on the costs of the feast, I've
> also known feastcrats who grew their own herbs and vegetables as well. So
> there are often creative ways to provide ingredients for a feast both to
> decrease the cost and to more closely control the quality of the
> ingredients.



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>
>   So I was wondering, what other experiences folks have with creatively
>   supplementing their feasts. What different ways have you used to obtain
>   ingredients for your feast, other than the "mainstream" ways (i.e. other
>   than purchasing from a grocery, etc.)? What were the reasons you
>   supplemented your feast with ingredients which were not obtained through
>   "mainstream" means? What were the results?
>
>   Celia des Archier


Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:58:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Creative Supplimentation (was RE: [Sca-cooks] English
      Doctors     want to ban pointy knives...)
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

Well, there is truth to the witticism "If four hours is a long drive or a short court,
you must be a Caidan." There are kingdoms where people would be grateful to have only
a five hour drive to the nearest event. And then there is the reign of Gregory of
York and Bevan Fraser of Sterling, who were the only Caidans to sit on the Western
Thrones, just before Caid became an independent kingdom. Gregory lived/lives in San
Diego. Beven lived in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles. Gregory and Bevan had
to drive 10 to 12 hours and sometimes more to fulfill their duties as King and Queen
of the West. Hey, but they knew their jobs were dangerous when they took them, Fred.

During my most active years, way back when I was in my 20's and 30's, I didn't think
twice about driving to Nordwache or Califia or Starkhavn for a kingdom event. I even
took a Greyhound bus to Nordwache for a Coronation, when my car died and I couldn't
find anyone who had room for me in their vehicle. Now that was an experience.

Huette
Angels, Caid


Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:38:24 -0700
From: aeduin <aeduin at adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Caid Camping
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

>   I'm curious... it has been quite a while since i actually lived in
>   SoCal... With all those mountains east of the LA basin, why are there no
>   events east or in the high desert? Or do Caidans just not want to get
>   dirty? ;-p
>
>   Pure curiosity and ignorance speaking here.
>   --
>   Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)
>   the persona formerly known as Anahita

Most Caidans are afraid of dirt.    :-)

Part of it is Kingdom Culture. Part is that most weekends there are at
least two events within reasonable driving distance for most of us. Part
is the lack of place to hold multi-hundred people camping events that
people have presented.

AEduin who drives to the West to camp.


Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:37:30 -0700



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From: Susan Fox-Davis <selene at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Caid Camping
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

On 6/1/05 4:30 PM, "lilinah at earthlink.net" <lilinah at earthlink.net>
wrote:
> I'm curious... it has been quite a while since i actually lived in
> SoCal... With all those mountains east of the LA basin, why are there
> no events east or in the high desert? Or do Caidans just not want to
> get dirty? ;-p
>
> Pure curiosity and ignorance speaking here.

OK, that's a real head-scratcher of a question. What makes you think that
there are not? The Baronies of Dreiburgen, Dun Or and Naevehjem are
alive and well and full of activity.

Selene


Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Huette von Ahrens <ahrenshav at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Caid Camping
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>

--- lilinah at earthlink.net wrote:
> I'm curious... it has been quite a while since i actually lived in
> SoCal... With all those mountains east of the LA basin, why are there
> no events east or in the high desert? Or do Caidans just not want to
> get dirty? ;-p
>
> Pure curiosity and ignorance speaking here.

There are events there. There is the Shire of Al Sahid (Barstow / Victorville,
California), the Barony of Dreiburgen (Riverside and San Bernardino Counties,
California), the Barony of Dun Or (Lancaster / Palmdale area, California), the Canton
of Gallavally (Hemet/San Jacinto Valley/Idyllwild, California), the Canton of Mons
Draconis (greater Riverside area, California), the Barony of Naevehjem (Inyo and
northeast Kern Counties, California), the Barony of Nordwache (Fresno, Madera, Kings
and Tulare Counties, California), Pagus Sancti Geronomi (central Riverside,
California), the Canton of Steinsee (Yucca Valley / Twenty-Nine Palms, California),
and the Shire of Wintermist (western Kern County, California}.   They all hold
events, mostly local day events, occasionally Kingdom events and a few hold wars. Dun
Or holds the Darkwell wars, Al Sahid holds the Highland wars (http://al-
sahid.org/highlandwar/index.htm), Nordwache holds the Treasure Chest wars, along with
the Barony of Califia (San Diego/Imperial County, California) which holds two Potrero
wars, on Memorial Day and on Labor Day. The Kingdom holds the Great Western War,
which you have been to, which is on the border of the Shire of Heatherwyne and the
Barony of Dreiburgen.   There have been other wars off and on, but the above are the
wars that have managed to continue on a regular basis. There had been three Isabella
wars, before Naevehjem was formed, at Lake Isabella in Kern County, and were
autocratted by a lady from Angels. And the Barony of Starkhavn (Las Vegas area,
Nevada), used to hold Stark Wars, but I haven't seen one of those is a while.

I believe that my point was not that we didn't have places to hold wars, but that the
central baronies of Caid, Angels, Altavia, Lyondemere, and Gyldenholt are so densely
populated, mundanely, that it is difficult to hold overnight camping events within our
borders. The non-war two day events are our Kingdom coronations, followed the next
day by the Queen's Champion Tourney [usually not a camping event], Collegium Caidis
[also not camping], Winter Weekend, which is an arts and sciences event, held in the
mountains of Dreiburgen, but there is no fighting at this event, at a private



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campground with a hall and cabins. It was originally started by the Barony of
Altavia, because they didn't have a site that would accomodate overnight camping.
Altavia is two baronies and a shire away from the site. It took the average Altavian
2.5 to 3 hours to drive to this site. However, the event became so popular that
Altavia had given up proprietorship of this event and the hosting responsibilites are
rotated around. The last Winter Weekend was hosted by Lyondemere [probably a good 3
to 4 hour drive from there]. And last, but not least, the Shire of Darach (Ventura
County, California), holds an annual A&S weekend event called Black Oak Lodge, very
similar to Winter Weekend, in a private camp grounds in Ventura County.
Unfortunately, because of the unusual rains we had this year, Darach had to cancel
this event.

But despite all of this, the majority of our events are one day, day-trip type events.

What I have mentioned above may seem a lot to some, but the Caidan Calendar is very
complicated and overly full. There are 33 groups vying for 52 weekends, not counting
the four groups in Hawaii. When you factor in the rule that Kingdom events don't have
competition for their days, this makes the available days even fewer. Most Baronies
have three or four or more events each year. That also is one good reason why there
are so many day events. Lyondemere might have an event on a Saturday, while Altavia
has their event on Sunday. There is also a rule that two groups within 100 miles of
each other cannot have events on the same day, this makes things even tighter. So
Califia (San Diego) might have an event on the same day as Nordewache (Fresno) and
also Western Seas (Hawaii). Gyldenholt (Orange County) might conflict with Starkhavn
(Las Vegas) but they can't with Angels (Los Angeles).

I hope that this clears things up with you.

Huette


Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:32:25 -0700
From: lilinah at earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Tiki Torch Recall
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Stefan wrote:
>   Selene mentioned:
>> We don't even bother buying this in Fire Danger Land, aka Caid. Tiki
>> torches are not allowed at any of our war sites.
>
> At all? Or just when there is a "a no open flames" restriction? What
> do you mean by "our war sites"? Do you mean all outside camping
> events?
>
> Tiki torches, at least in the generic sense and not a specific brand,
> are rather common in Ansteorra. Of course they may be restricted at
> particular events which are under a "no open flames ban".

Here in the West, Tiki Torches (generic) are utterly totally
thoroughly irrevocably forbidden at our events - since most are
camping - and there's no reason to have then at the one-day events.
--
Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)
the persona formerly known as Anahita


Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:59:33 EDT
From: SilverR0se at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Bad Cooking at Feasts - was Re:   good taste
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org



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Caid has a classic Bad Feast, which was due more to a series of unfortunate
events rather than bad cooking.

This was my 1st SCA meal but fortunately it wasn't my last! (Which tells you
how long ago it was...)

This feast was arranged in haste, due to the fact that the King changed that
date of 12th Night at the last minute (this was back when this could be done)
and we had a number of visitors coming from Hawaii who could not change their
flight.

The Barony of Altavia decide to arrange an "11th Night" feast for our guests.
It took place in someone's house and was an assigned pot-luck, with 3 or 4
people bringing the same dish.

All the recipes were from "Fabulous Feasts" since we didn't know better back
then and, apparently, none had been tested. Also, the organizers had not taken
into account the fact the there was little or no reheating facilties. The
fish quiche was OK room temperature, but some of the other dishes were not so
lucky. I seem to remember the parsnip fitters with mushroom ketchup was not a
happy experience.

But worse was yet to come...

Our host, a local Duke, had made   his specialty - split pea soup. For some
reason he (as I found out later)   use arrowroot to thicken it instead of corn
starch. This made the texture so   awful it is still indescribable today. And then
it scorched. Bleech! To this day   I cannot stand even the smell of split-pea
soup.

So this big, impressive Duke stands up from his place at the high board and
announces "Everyone's enjoying the soup, _right_?"

The only truly edible part of the feast was a roast turkey, decorated with
peacock feathers, which only the high board got to eat.

Still, a good time was had by all, once the meal was cleared away.

And Caid has a good story to tell.

Then there was the dish that was Salmon-pomagranate moose for 12 at the test
banquet but was soup for 200 at the feast. Still tasty, tho.

Renata


From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
Date: November 10, 2007 10:22:43 PM CST
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ducal Perogative

At 11:15 AM 11/10/2007, Robin wrote:
> "robert segrest" wrote:
>> At any rate, I am continually amazed that a system of governance that
>> theoretically should be one of the worst possible methods for choosing
>> leaders seems to usually produce high quality administration, not
>> only from our monarchs, but also from the officers they appoint.
>
> The SCA is a volunteer organization, and the principles of government are
> different. The essential control over the government is not the vote, but



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> the fact that we can always walk away.

Precisely. Engraved on the inside of the Crowns of Caid are the
words: "You rule because they believe." That's a good thing for *any*
Crown to keep in mind.

            -Tivar Moondragon

<the end>




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