Chat room transcript of the 21 December 2009 BlogTalkRadio by gxj15372

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									Chat room transcript of the 21 December 2009 BlogTalkRadio show, The Law
Librarian, “Year in Review”
Mary Alice Baisch, Tracy Thompson Pryzlucki, Connie Crosby, Roger Skalbeck,
Jason Eiseman, Sarah Glassmeyer, Marcia Dority Baker and me

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  (10:43:35):Welcome	
  to	
  the	
  Richard	
  Leiter	
  Chat	
  Room.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (10:58:00):
Hi	
  everyone,	
  welcome	
  to	
  today's	
  show.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (10:58:46):
Just	
  settling	
  in.	
  	
  Getting	
  notes	
  together	
  for	
  the	
  day's	
  show.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:02:43):
Welcome	
  everyone!
Meg	
  Kribble	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:02:57):
Actually	
  able	
  to	
  listen	
  today!
Sarah	
  Glassmeyer	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:03:18):
#coolkids	
  represent!
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:03:20):
Hey	
  Meg,	
  glad	
  you	
  can	
  join	
  us	
  (-­‐	
  Roger)
Sarah	
  Glassmeyer	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:03:22):
:P
Meg	
  Kribble	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:03:49):
:	
  )
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:03:51):
Hi	
  Meg,	
  Ken,	
  Merle...wow,	
  lots	
  of	
  friends!
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:04:01):
Hi	
  Connie.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:04:03):
Welcome	
  everyone.	
  We've	
  got	
  lots	
  to	
  discuss	
  today.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:04:15):
Hi	
  all.
Tracy	
  LTP	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:04:16):
Hi	
  all!
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:04:30):
Hi	
  guys!
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:04:31):
#tllbtr	
  on	
  Twitter
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:04:42):
Hi	
  folks!
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:05:36):
Multitasking.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:05:36):
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/publications/durhamstatement
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:06:32):
My	
  thoughts	
  on	
  the	
  Durham	
  Statement	
  are	
  at	
  http://ipsofacto.kenhirshonline.com/
2009/07/14/on-­‐the-­‐durham-­‐statement/
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:07:00):
Do	
  we	
  have	
  agreement	
  on	
  an	
  "open	
  source,	
  stable,	
  digital	
  format?
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:07:17):
Have	
  libraries	
  been	
  promoting	
  it	
  to	
  their	
  law	
  reviews	
  that	
  aren't	
  online?
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:07:50):
I	
  presented	
  it	
  to	
  our	
  faculty,	
  where	
  there	
  was	
  a	
  mixed	
  reception	
  with	
  plenty	
  of	
  
skepticism.	
  	
  I	
  have	
  not	
  yet	
  approached	
  the	
  review	
  yet.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:09:16):
First	
  Friday	
  of	
  February:	
  show	
  on	
  Durham	
  Statement	
  "happy	
  birthday"
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:09:45):
http://scholar.google.com/
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:10:24):
I've	
  spoken	
  with	
  our	
  Univ.	
  Digital	
  initiative	
  and	
  they	
  are	
  rarin'	
  to	
  go	
  but	
  I	
  have	
  hoops	
  
to	
  jump	
  through	
  at	
  the	
  law	
  school.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:11:28):
Sarah,	
  I	
  wonder	
  whether	
  we	
  could	
  be	
  that	
  concerned	
  about	
  layperson's	
  used	
  of	
  
Google	
  Scholar.	
  	
  Maybe	
  it	
  would	
  persuade	
  them	
  they	
  should	
  see	
  an	
  attorney.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:12:33):
For	
  more	
  	
  info	
  on	
  Google	
  Scholar,	
  listen	
  to	
  the	
  December	
  4th	
  show	
  with	
  special	
  guest	
  
Anurag	
  	
  Acharya	
  for	
  Google.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:13:15):
Rich,	
  no	
  doubt	
  both	
  the	
  algorithms	
  and	
  the	
  database	
  contents	
  are	
  very	
  different	
  
between	
  GS	
  and	
  Westlaw.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:13:41):
Good	
  point	
  ken.	
  	
  It's	
  maybe	
  like	
  a	
  person	
  who	
  wants	
  to	
  invent	
  something	
  and	
  
searches	
  through	
  patents	
  ...	
  a	
  little	
  bit	
  of	
  exposure	
  should	
  show	
  an	
  average	
  user	
  that	
  
a	
  legal	
  expert	
  is	
  needed.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:14:53):
Internal	
  consistency,	
  yes.	
  	
  But	
  not	
  across.	
  	
  Otherwise,	
  why	
  bother	
  with	
  a	
  Lexis	
  and	
  a	
  
Westlaw?
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:15:13):
But	
  most	
  "average	
  users"	
  would	
  just	
  stop	
  with	
  GS	
  and	
  think	
  they've	
  found	
  
"everything."
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:15:46):
Merle,	
  I	
  don't	
  think	
  an	
  "average	
  user"	
  wants	
  more	
  than	
  the	
  basics.	
  	
  Everything	
  is	
  not	
  
a	
  goal.
Richard	
  Leiter	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:16:05):
Absolutely	
  right,	
  Ken.	
  But	
  shouldn't	
  they	
  the	
  produce	
  similar	
  results?
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:16:07):
I	
  had	
  a	
  conversation	
  with	
  a	
  faculty	
  member	
  here	
  who	
  expressed	
  concern	
  over	
  cites	
  
to	
  GS	
  and	
  GS	
  Legal.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:16:26):
Rich,	
  only	
  if	
  they	
  have	
  the	
  same	
  purpose	
  AND	
  audience.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:16:53):
Ken,	
  I	
  agree	
  but	
  folks	
  are	
  saying	
  the	
  GS	
  search	
  will	
  cause	
  "avergae	
  users"	
  to	
  consult	
  
an	
  expert.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:17:05):
Merle,	
  My	
  pont	
  as	
  well.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:17:33):
To	
  me,	
  it	
  almost	
  seems	
  like	
  Google	
  thinks	
  of	
  cases	
  as	
  an	
  interesting	
  literary	
  genre.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:17:51):
Google	
  Scholar,	
  by	
  definition,	
  is	
  for	
  scholarly	
  research.	
  	
  Weblawlib	
  is	
  exactly	
  right.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:18:10):
Did	
  we	
  ever	
  find	
  out	
  if	
  lawyers	
  are	
  law	
  librarians	
  are	
  involved	
  with	
  GS	
  Legal	
  
indexing?
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:18:22):
Thatw	
  as	
  "or"	
  law	
  librarians.	
  	
  Sorry.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:19:04):
Wonder	
  if	
  complaints	
  are	
  that	
  we're	
  seeking	
  features	
  that	
  aren't	
  there	
  (filter,	
  focus),	
  
or	
  that	
  we	
  don't	
  understand	
  the	
  system	
  just	
  yet	
  -­‐-­‐	
  is	
  it	
  like	
  with	
  Gmail,	
  where	
  people	
  
(like	
  me)	
  didn't	
  "get	
  it"	
  at	
  first?
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:19:09):
http://ersa.jud.ct.gov/lawlibnews/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=999	
  	
  Conn	
  Law	
  
Libraries	
  closing
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:19:39):
Best	
  solution	
  to	
  GS:	
  	
  AALL	
  should	
  buy	
  ads	
  on	
  Google	
  that	
  give	
  links	
  to	
  law	
  librarian	
  
info	
  pages	
  on	
  their	
  GS	
  legal	
  results.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:19:56):
Google	
  Scholar	
  has	
  three	
  people	
  working	
  on	
  it,	
  none	
  are	
  laywers,	
  per	
  AA.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:20:36):
Yes,	
  but	
  Rick	
  Klau	
  (U.	
  RIchmond	
  law	
  graduate)	
  has	
  consulted	
  with	
  them	
  on	
  the	
  
project.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:21:03):
Thanks,	
  Marcia.	
  	
  couldn't	
  remember	
  if	
  that	
  came	
  up	
  during	
  his	
  chat.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:21:28):
Cool	
  idea,	
  Ken	
  :)
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:21:57):
http://tins.rklau.com/2009/11/us-­‐caselaw-­‐in-­‐google-­‐scholar.html	
  	
  Klau's	
  blog	
  
entry	
  on	
  GS.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:22:51):
Wikipedia,	
  not	
  an	
  algorithm,	
  but	
  "widom	
  of	
  the	
  masses."	
  	
  Gogle,	
  secret	
  algorithms	
  
that	
  define	
  relevance	
  by	
  looking	
  at	
  link-­‐backs	
  and	
  hits.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:23:01):
Boy,	
  my	
  keyboard	
  is	
  flaky
jasoneiseman	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:24:27):
Ken,	
  wikipedia	
  maybe	
  not	
  an	
  algorithm.	
  But	
  a	
  curated	
  collection	
  -­‐	
  curation	
  of	
  
information	
  generally	
  becoming	
  more	
  popular	
  and	
  important	
  i	
  think
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:24:46):
http://resource.org/law.gov/
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:24:56):
Jason,	
  you	
  are	
  right.	
  	
  And	
  it	
  is	
  in	
  the	
  sunshine	
  -­‐	
  you	
  can	
  check	
  history	
  of	
  and	
  authors	
  
of	
  revisions.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:25:32):
Trust	
  the	
  gov't	
  or	
  Google?
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:25:47):
Let's	
  not	
  sound	
  too	
  much	
  like	
  Glenn	
  Beck,	
  please.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:26:12):
google	
  partnering	
  with	
  USPTO:	
  http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/11/unlikely-­‐group-­‐
working-­‐happily.html
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:26:35):
Ken-­‐	
  Trying	
  to	
  avoid	
  any	
  beckisms	
  as	
  much	
  as	
  possible...	
  (-­‐	
  roger)
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:27:18):
"In	
  Google	
  We	
  Trust"
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:27:51):
Google:	
  free	
  &	
  quick	
  per	
  Rich	
  Leiter
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:27:56):
the	
  way	
  i	
  understand	
  law.gov,	
  their	
  impetus	
  is	
  to	
  provide	
  access	
  to	
  public	
  info	
  for	
  
free.	
  the	
  government	
  is	
  commited	
  to	
  providing	
  permanent	
  public	
  access/archival	
  
services.	
  gotta	
  push	
  for	
  the	
  latter	
  principle.
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:29:32):
I	
  like	
  having	
  google	
  scholar	
  as	
  a	
  resource.	
  but	
  they	
  are	
  a	
  bit	
  misleading	
  when	
  it	
  
comes	
  to	
  what	
  users	
  can	
  expect	
  to	
  be	
  there.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:30:20):
"Caveat	
  Google!"
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:30:40):
Know	
  of	
  a	
  good	
  project	
  or	
  person	
  promoting	
  access	
  to	
  government	
  information?	
  	
  
Nominate	
  them	
  here:	
  http://www.aallnet.org/about/award_information.asp	
  or	
  
here:	
  http://www.aallnet.org/about/award_oakley.asp
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:33:44):
I	
  am	
  waiting	
  to	
  open	
  my	
  Google	
  bank	
  account.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:34:00):
Sarah:	
  http://www.google.org/
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:34:29):
Don't	
  we	
  already	
  know	
  that	
  Google	
  is	
  going	
  to	
  license	
  their	
  database	
  to	
  universities?	
  	
  
and	
  with	
  a	
  $75K	
  machine,	
  we	
  will	
  be	
  able	
  to	
  get	
  'cheap'	
  copies?
Sarah	
  Glassmeyer	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:35:19):
Ah,	
  yes,	
  Ken!	
  I	
  have	
  seen	
  google.org	
  before	
  but	
  forgot	
  about	
  it.	
  	
  So	
  maybe	
  they	
  can	
  
put	
  the	
  law	
  stuff	
  under	
  hat	
  umbrella.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:36:18):
law	
  librarian	
  of	
  congress	
  press	
  release:	
  http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/
2009/09-­‐157.html
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:37:26):
Vision	
  for	
  the	
  Law	
  Library	
  (PDF):	
  http://www.loc.gov/law/news/LL%20Vision.pdf
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:39:30):
http://www.gale.cengage.com/DigitalCollections/products/ModernLaw/quick.htm
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:41:23):
Stephen	
  Abrams	
  announcement:	
  http://stephenslighthouse.sirsidynix.com/
archives/2009/12/endings_and_new.html
Larry	
  Meyer	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:42:04):
Century	
  of	
  Lawmaking,	
  mentioned	
  by	
  Mary	
  Alice	
  (one	
  of	
  my	
  favorite	
  sites!):	
  http://
memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:45:15):
Can	
  anybody	
  point	
  to	
  success	
  stories	
  for	
  Making	
  of	
  Modern	
  Law?	
  	
  We	
  all	
  think	
  we	
  
want	
  it,	
  and	
  it	
  looks	
  really	
  cool.	
  But	
  what	
  are	
  some	
  examples	
  of	
  people	
  who	
  used	
  it?	
  
To	
  me,	
  it's	
  so	
  far	
  mostly	
  a	
  theoretical	
  need,	
  not	
  a	
  proven	
  requirement.
SaraSampson	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:45:51):
We	
  have	
  patrons	
  that	
  want	
  MOML	
  titles	
  quite	
  frequently	
  here	
  at	
  Georgetown	
  Law
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:45:55):
I	
  want	
  to	
  see	
  new	
  scholarship	
  and	
  analysis	
  that	
  wouldn't	
  have	
  been	
  possible	
  without	
  
this	
  vast	
  collection	
  of	
  full-­‐text	
  old	
  stuff
Tracy	
  LTP	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:46:12):
The	
  components	
  are	
  not	
  cross-­‐searchable.	
  Missed	
  opportunity	
  for	
  Gale.
SaraSampson	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:47:26):
I	
  know	
  that	
  at	
  least	
  2	
  of	
  our	
  students	
  have	
  written	
  papers	
  on	
  the	
  history	
  of	
  class	
  
action	
  based	
  upon	
  MOML	
  research.	
  	
  I	
  don't	
  know	
  if	
  its	
  been	
  published,	
  though.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:48:19):
The	
  good,	
  the	
  bad	
  of	
  Intelliconnect?
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:48:30):
Intelliconnect	
  =	
  New	
  Coke?
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:48:50):
rolling	
  out	
  before	
  fully	
  cooked	
  -­‐	
  that	
  is	
  the	
  trend	
  in	
  software	
  development
sarak1015	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:48:55):
We	
  do	
  have	
  someone	
  at	
  Gtown	
  main	
  campus	
  who	
  has	
  been	
  using	
  the	
  Supreme	
  Court	
  
Records	
  and	
  Briefs	
  for	
  research,	
  but	
  I'm	
  not	
  sure	
  exactly	
  how.	
  I	
  helped	
  his	
  research	
  
assistant	
  with	
  it	
  once.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:49:59):
http://legalresearchplus.com/2009/06/19/bloomberg-­‐law-­‐on-­‐the-­‐web-­‐an-­‐early-­‐
review/
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:50:51):
https://www.bloomberglaw.com/
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:51:44):
Bloomberg	
  had	
  many	
  law	
  librarians,	
  attorneys	
  and	
  focus	
  groups	
  that	
  spent	
  much	
  
time	
  working	
  on	
  new	
  interface,	
  etc.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:51:49):
http://twitter.com/BloombergLaw
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:52:32):
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:52:38):
It	
  will	
  be	
  intersting	
  to	
  see	
  how	
  students	
  accept	
  it	
  once	
  it's	
  open	
  to	
  students.	
  	
  
Currently	
  in	
  beta	
  so	
  not	
  open	
  to	
  all	
  students.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:54:03):
The	
  law	
  component	
  doesn't	
  give	
  access	
  to	
  everything	
  availbale	
  in	
  old	
  bloomberg.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:54:14):
B-­‐unit	
  for	
  access	
  in	
  "old"	
  days.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:54:55):
But	
  it	
  was	
  great	
  for	
  day	
  traders,	
  right?
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:55:19):
They	
  still	
  ahve	
  to	
  use	
  the	
  B-­‐unit.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:55:46):
Bloomberg	
  doesn't	
  have	
  pdfs!!!	
  	
  We've	
  raised	
  this	
  with	
  them	
  many	
  times.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:57:09):
Their	
  strong	
  point	
  is	
  the	
  inmtegration	
  with	
  the	
  business	
  side
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:59:12):
Sidenote	
  on	
  name	
  change:	
  	
  When	
  I	
  attended,	
  school	
  at	
  FSU	
  was	
  School	
  of	
  Library	
  and	
  
Information	
  Studies.	
  	
  Later	
  it	
  became	
  School	
  of	
  Information.	
  	
  After	
  it	
  merged	
  with	
  
College	
  of	
  Communications,	
  the	
  college	
  is	
  of	
  Communications	
  and	
  Information	
  but	
  th
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (11:59:16):
http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6711116.html
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (11:59:22):
school	
  has	
  resumed	
  name	
  of	
  SLIS.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:00:07):
SLA	
  proposed	
  name	
  would	
  have	
  had	
  no	
  real	
  identity.
Tracy	
  LTP	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:00:13):
http://www.slaalignmentportal.org/blog/association-­‐strategic-­‐knowledge-­‐
professionals-­‐poor-­‐choice-­‐name
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:00:42):
http://conniecrosby.blogspot.com/2009/11/association-­‐for-­‐strategic-­‐
knowledge.html
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:01:39):
I	
  think	
  The	
  Alignment	
  sounds	
  a	
  little	
  weird,	
  too.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:02:19):
Demeans	
  "tactical	
  knowledge."
Tracy	
  LTP	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:02:27):
The	
  economy	
  is	
  driving	
  so	
  much	
  of	
  everything	
  we're	
  discussing.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:02:33):
Term	
  Limits:	
  A	
  Profession	
  Ponders	
  its	
  Name	
  -­‐	
  http://www.visualthesaurus.com/cm/
wc/2097/	
  (haven't	
  read	
  it	
  in	
  depth)
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:02:59):
Why	
  replace	
  one	
  less-­‐than-­‐ideal	
  name	
  with	
  another	
  one?
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:03:19):
http://wiki.sla.org/display/align/SLA+Name+Change
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:04:30):
Meanwhile	
  WL	
  lays	
  off	
  240...
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:04:39):
That	
  link	
  not	
  working.	
  Try	
  this:	
  http://www.sla.org/content/SLA/governance/
namechange/index.cfm
Tracy	
  LTP	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:05:22):
the	
  end-­‐run	
  strategy
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:05:51):
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/law_librarian_blog/2009/12/the-­‐lexis-­‐
letter.html
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:07:11):
Missed	
  that	
  one!
Sarah	
  Glassmeyer	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:07:41):
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/
law_firm_trades_library_for_xmas_shop_employs_all_hands_on_sales_floor/
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:07:43):
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6774194.html
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:07:48):
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/
law_firm_trades_library_for_xmas_shop_employs_all_hands_on_sales_floor/
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:08:27):
Free	
  legal	
  advice	
  with	
  every	
  purchase	
  over	
  $50.00!
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:08:39):
The	
  firm	
  did	
  not	
  have	
  a	
  librarian.
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:08:52):
But	
  the	
  advice	
  comes	
  from	
  GS	
  Legal	
  :P
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:09:22):
Ohio	
  is	
  implementing	
  a	
  law	
  that	
  puts	
  county	
  law	
  libraries	
  under	
  the	
  control	
  of	
  the	
  
county,	
  instead	
  of	
  non-­‐profit	
  associations.
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:09:35):
my	
  reading	
  of	
  the	
  article	
  was	
  that	
  ,	
  indeed,	
  they	
  didn't	
  need	
  the	
  space	
  for	
  the	
  library,	
  
as	
  everything	
  was	
  online.	
  Not	
  that	
  they	
  didn't	
  have	
  or	
  didnt	
  need	
  the	
  service.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:13:49):
http://www.aallnet.org/about/award_oakley.asp
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:16:05):
Predictions	
  for	
  2010
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:17:13):
new	
  digitalized	
  collection	
  but	
  buy	
  into	
  their	
  platform	
  &	
  new	
  interface	
  change	
  to	
  a	
  
product	
  -­‐	
  will	
  throw	
  everyone	
  in	
  the	
  air	
  -­‐	
  Roger
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:17:34):
Big	
  predictions!	
  I	
  love	
  it.
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:18:03):
Fascinating!	
  Guess	
  we	
  can't	
  have	
  too	
  long	
  a	
  period	
  without	
  a	
  major	
  professional	
  
uproar!!
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:18:07):
Don't	
  forget	
  to	
  review	
  these	
  at	
  next	
  year's	
  year-­‐end	
  show.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:18:32):
Rich	
  will	
  keep	
  the	
  transcript	
  and	
  we'll	
  look	
  back	
  to	
  see	
  how	
  we	
  did.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:18:43):
Connie	
  -­‐	
  will	
  it	
  be	
  the	
  Gphone?
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:19:24):
Foursquare	
  is	
  definitely	
  up	
  and	
  coming.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:19:32):
i	
  don't	
  know
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:19:39):
Connie:	
  more	
  mobile	
  tech,	
  geo	
  apps	
  http://foursquare.com/
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:19:45):
For	
  the	
  record,	
  here's	
  my	
  second	
  prediction:	
  there	
  will	
  be	
  a	
  game-­‐changing	
  interface	
  
change	
  to	
  an	
  existing	
  legal	
  information	
  service	
  	
  that	
  upsets	
  people	
  tremendously	
  at	
  
first	
  but	
  really	
  works	
  well	
  when	
  it's	
  done.
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:20:11):
can't	
  hear!!
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:20:27):
anyone	
  else	
  having	
  a	
  problem	
  hearing?
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:20:42):
i	
  can	
  hear	
  Rich	
  and	
  Connie	
  but	
  Roger	
  is	
  fading.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:21:01):
everything	
  old	
  is	
  new	
  again,	
  	
  -­‐	
  Tracy
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:21:45):
My	
  prediction:	
  	
  Karaoke	
  night	
  attendance	
  will	
  return	
  to	
  more	
  typical	
  levels.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:21:58):
Is	
  it	
  the	
  phenomenon	
  something	
  like	
  retrofuturism?
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:22:02):
No,	
  no,	
  bigger	
  Karaoke	
  with	
  Ken!
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:22:33):
More	
  karaoke.	
  	
  Ken	
  and	
  I	
  could	
  do	
  a	
  bi-­‐lingual	
  mac	
  the	
  knife	
  duet.	
  	
  You	
  game	
  ken?	
  (-­‐	
  
Roger)
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:22:44):
Rich:	
  	
  Perhaps	
  we	
  are	
  at	
  a	
  synergy	
  tipping	
  point.
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:22:55):
What	
  other	
  language?
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:23:10):
Deutsche,	
  of	
  course.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:23:17):
Ja	
  wohl.
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:23:36):
It's	
  the	
  source	
  language	
  for	
  Brecht's	
  Three-­‐Penny	
  Opera.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:25:07):
My	
  hope	
  for	
  the	
  future:	
  The	
  seamntic	
  web	
  comes	
  to	
  legal	
  information.	
  	
  -­‐-­‐	
  providing	
  
an	
  opening	
  for	
  add-­‐on	
  tools	
  for	
  existing	
  legal	
  information.	
  	
  Give	
  context	
  to	
  content	
  
online	
  so	
  my	
  browser	
  can	
  recognize	
  a	
  legal	
  cite	
  as	
  more	
  than	
  characters
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:25:17):
Mary	
  Alice:	
  	
  Can	
  it	
  be	
  instituionalized	
  enough	
  to	
  avoid	
  a	
  future	
  adminitration's	
  
attempt	
  at	
  roll-­‐back?
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:25:47):
Sarah:	
  use	
  phone	
  as	
  a	
  tool	
  more,	
  apps	
  &	
  mobile	
  computing
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:27:06):
Non-­‐verbal	
  searching!
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:27:18):
Search	
  paradigms,	
  Google	
  goggles
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:27:44):
What	
  about	
  gesture-­‐based	
  searching?	
  	
  Wii,	
  Microsoft's	
  Project	
  Natal,	
  etc.
weblawlib	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:28:08):
http://www.google.com/mobile/goggles/
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:28:47):
http://picasa.google.com/mac/
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:29:11):
Vote	
  for	
  your	
  favourite	
  Canadian	
  law	
  blogs!	
  See:	
  http://www.clawbies.ca/
Susanna	
  Leers	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:29:11):
Can	
  it	
  recognize	
  a	
  tort	
  when	
  it	
  sees	
  it?
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:29:28):
Rich:	
  public	
  information	
  per	
  workshops	
  (law.gov)
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:29:34):
How	
  about	
  a	
  torte?
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:29:42):
chocolate	
  torte?
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:29:47):
MMMMMM.
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:30:10):
The	
  show's	
  transcript	
  will	
  be	
  posted	
  sometime	
  today.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:30:12):
Hey,	
  I	
  think	
  he	
  got	
  all	
  of	
  us!
Tracy	
  LTP	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:30:18):
happy	
  holidays!
merleslyhoff	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:30:20):
Happy	
  holidays	
  to	
  all!
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:30:24):
Thank	
  you	
  everyone,	
  travel	
  safe	
  over	
  the	
  holidays!
Ken	
  Hirsh	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:30:34):
Ditto	
  to	
  all	
  of	
  you.
Tory	
  Trotta	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:30:39):
Great	
  show	
  Rich	
  and	
  everyone!	
  Thank	
  you.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:31:07):
A	
  lot	
  of	
  fun!
Marcia	
  Dority	
  Baker	
  says	
  (12:31:35):
Good	
  bye.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:31:37):
Thank	
  you	
  to	
  everyone	
  who	
  joined	
  us	
  in	
  the	
  chat	
  room.
conniecrosby	
  says	
  to	
  	
  (12:31:40):
Have	
  a	
  great	
  holiday!

								
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