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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE NINTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ, Plaintiff/Counter-Defendant, CASE NO.: 08-CA-24573
Defendant/Counter-Plaintiff. -----------------------------------------------------ROUGH DRAFT ** ROUGH DRAFT ** ROUGH DRAFT The videotaped deposition of GEORGE ANTHONY taken pursuant to Notice on behalf of the Plaintiff/Counter-Defendant on Thursday, April 9, 2009, beginning at 10:35 a.m., at the law firm of Morgan & Morgan, 20 North Orange Avenue, 16th Floor, Orlando, Florida, before Laura J. Landerman, R.M.R., C.R.R., F.P.R., and Notary Public, State of Florida at Large.
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A P P E A R A N C E S: KEITH R. MITNIK, ESQUIRE JOHN B. MORGAN, ESQUIRE JOHN W. DILL, ESQUIRE Morgan & Morgan, P.A. Page 1
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GAnthony-rough.txt 20 North Orange Avenue -- 16th Floor Orlando, Florida 32801 For the Plaintiff/Counter-Defendant,
6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 3 ALSO PRESENT: Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez No appearance on behalf of the Defendant/Counter-Plaintiff, BRADLEY A. CONWAY, ESQUIRE 390 North Orange Avenue -- Suite 1630 Orlando, Florida 32801 For the Deponent, George Anthony. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Lee Fouraker of Ron Fleming Video Productions
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I N D E X TESTIMONY OF GEORGE ANTHONY Direct Examination by Mr. Mitnik Examination by Mr. Morgan Examination by Mr. Mitnik CERTIFICATE OF OATH CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER WORD INDEX E X H I B I T S Page 2 4
GAnthony-rough.txt 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 4 - - - - S T I P U L A T I O N S It is hereby stipulated and agreed between counsel for the respective parties and the witness that the reading and signing of the deposition be reserved. (None marked.)
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MR. CONWAY:
Before we get started, I just
want to make it clear for the record that we came here to answer any and all questions that are relevant to the defamation case. The ones that
aren't we'll object -- I'll put my objection on the record and certify it. MR. MITNIK: proper procedure. Well. Okay. That's not the
The proper procedure is relevance You can
has nothing -- is not a proper objection.
object, if you want, but you don't certify it. Answer all questions unless it's privileged. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Stand by, rolling tape. This is the deposition
The date is April 9, 2009. Page 3
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GAnthony-rough.txt of George Anthony being taken in the matter of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez versus Casey Anthony. Our time is 10:23 a.m. and we're on record. Counsel, please introduce yourselves. MR. MITNIK: Gonzalez. Keith Mitnik for Zenaida
I have with me John Morgan and John Dill. Brad Conway on behalf of George
MR. CONWAY: Anthony.
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: swear in our witness.
The court reporter please
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GEORGE ANTHONY having been first duly sworn testified as follows: THE WITNESS: I will.
DIRECT EXAMINATION
Would you state your name, please? George Anthony. And Mr. Anthony, what is your current address? 4937 Hope Spring Drive, Orlando, Florida. And did your daughter, Casey, live with you up
to the time that Caylee disappeared? A Q A Q Yes. How long had she lived with you? Ever since she's been born. And in the -- I want to focus on year, maybe
two years before the disappearance to start with as the time frame. During that time frame, was -- to your Page 4
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GAnthony-rough.txt knowledge, was Casey working? A Q To my knowledge, yes. Where do you believe she was working in the
year or two leading up to the disappearance? A Studios. Q And who were you told that by? I was told she was working at Universal
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My daughter. And was she working part time, full time?
What was your understanding? A Q Full time. And let's -- I'm going to focus on the year
leading up to this, to the disappearance, so we'll be talking about from, say, June of the preceding year up till June of '08. What hours was she working, to your knowledge? A day shift. That could vary. It could be -- could be a
Could be an afternoon shift. MR. CONWAY: If you don't know, you don't
know. THE WITNESS: BY MR. MITNIK: Q Well, would you see her come and go from the (Shakes head.)
home when she'd say I'm going to work and you'd have some idea from what she was telling you when she was heading to work? A Q A Q She worked at various schedules, sir. How many days a week? I don't know. Was she working weekends? Page 5 Was she working a
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How about most the time during that year? I couldn't really answer that correctly as far
as how many hours and stuff. Q A Q Now, was she paying rent at the house? No. Was she contributing to the household
expenses, groceries, those kind of things? A Q She did occasionally, yes. What's occasionally mean? MR. CONWAY: know. A Let's put it this way. She would purchase How often?
If you don't know, you don't
things for the household for her daughter and for us when she felt she wanted to purchase something. Q happen? A Sir, that -- that could -- that could vary. And how often, say, in a month would that
That -- that could vary. Q Okay. On average how often in a month or was
it not -- not that frequently that it wouldn't be every -- every month? A Q A It wouldn't be that frequently. Okay. Maybe once every six months?
I'm not going to have you put words in my
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I'm not trying to. Yes, sir, you are. Page 6
GAnthony-rough.txt 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Q Maybe -A Let's put it this way. She bought things when We'll just end That's why I started the question maybe.
she wanted to buy things, how about that? that conversation at that. Q Actually, we won't.
My question -- I'm trying
to get a range of how often she would add to the household goods. month. months? A at that. Q How about every other month and we'll end it How about that? So long as you're telling me under oath your You said not as frequently as once a
Would it be fair to say maybe once every six
best estimate it was about once every other month? A I'm telling you the best answer I can give
you, so I suggest you go to another question, sir. Q All right. So are you telling me your best
recollection would be on average once every two months? A Q That's what I just said. Okay. And when she would do that on average
once every two months, give me an example of the types of contributions she'd make? A I don't know. Like how much money, ballpark? I don't know. I -- I don't --
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I never saw the bills and stuff like that, what she paid for. Q A that. Q A You won't tell me? No. Page 7 I don't think that's relevant here, sir. What kind of things would she purchase? I'm not going to answer this any further with
GAnthony-rough.txt 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 MR. CONWAY: THE WITNESS: MR. CONWAY: BY MR. MITNIK: Q You have no idea -- then how would you know Do you know? I have no idea. There's your answer.
she was purchasing things if you have no idea what they are? A When you see someone bring bags in from a
local grocery store, you know they purchased them. Wouldn't that say they're the ones that purchased it. Q That's helpful. So, in other words, about
once every two months she would bring in some groceries? A Q A Q I just said -Is that right? -- said that. All right. What else -- what else -- do you
know if she had a checking account? A As far as I know, she did.
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Now, when you say as far as you know, other
than assuming she did, did you ever see her have a checking account, have reason -- specific knowledge for having a checking account? A I know she had a checking account. As far as
how long she had one, I'm not really sure. Q A Q A Q So within that last year, you don't know -I have no idea, sir. -- whether she had one or not? I have no idea. How about credit cards? Page 8 Do you know if she
had credit cards?
GAnthony-rough.txt 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 11 A Q I have no idea. During that year, did you give her money for
gas or expenses? A Q Probably could have. Probably did.
On average, how often would you give her money
to sustain herself? A I have no idea, sir. It could be -- again, it I
could be once a week. really don't recall. Q
It could be once a month.
And how about her clothing?
Did you-all help
her buy her clothing during that year before? A Q No, sir, I never did. Do you know if your wife did?
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You'll have to ask her. Do you know one way or the other? You'll have to ask my wife. But my question is do you know one way or the
other if she did? A Q No, I do not know. Now, the -- when is the first time you heard
of Zenaida Gonzalez, just heard the name? A Q I never heard that name until July of 2008. Okay. And what was the circumstances the very
first time you heard it? A Q Zanny? A When my granddaughter came missing. And was it -- how did you hear the name? Is that the way you heard it? You just asked me about Zenaida Gonzalez. I
didn't hear that name, sir, until July of 2008. Q Okay. When is the first time you ever heard Page 9
GAnthony-rough.txt 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 that. Q Okay. Tell me what were the circumstances the name Zenny -- Zanny? A No, sir. Would that be the same time?
I heard that about a year prior to
when you heard Zanny a year prior to that. A That was a lady that was watching my
granddaughter when my -Q Tell me --
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-- when my daughter was working. And when you say about a year earlier, you
mean earlier than July '08, so around the summer of '07 is when you say you heard that -- name? A Yes, sir. That's probably an accurate
statement, yes. Q A Q A And who did you hear it from? My daughter. And what did she tell you? A lady by the name of Zanny was watching her
daughter occasionally when she went to work, and if it wouldn't be for her, it would be my wife or I watching my granddaughter. Q Now, having read through some things, I
understand that it's your position about 99 percent of the time if Caylee was not with Casey, it would be you or your wife watching her; is that right? A Q Absolutely. So in this 1 percent of the time that you two
weren't watching it, who else would do the watching, to your knowledge? A I just answered that, sir. Page 10 Supposedly a lady
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That's a possibility, sir.
I really don't
Q
If you would let me finish.
It's just hard on
her if we talk over each other, and I'll try not to do it to you. Were other family members or friends, to your knowledge, other than this lady named Zanny, watching Casey at all in that 1 percent of the time in the year leading up to the disappearance? A I'm not going to answer your question because
what you just said if someone was watching my daughter Casey. Q A I'm sorry. Was someone watching Caylee? Besides my wife and I,
I just answered that.
one other person who was watching my granddaughter is Zanny. Q one -A No one else besides the three of us were So the answer would be to your knowledge no
watching my child -- watching our granddaughter. Q A Q There we go. Yes. Now, when you heard this for the first time,
let's say, in the summer of '07 about Zanny, did you make
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daughter was paying -- coming up with money to pay for it? A Q A Q A Q A Did not ask that question. Or how much it was costing? Did not ask that question. Did she ever ask you for money to pay Zanny? No. To your knowledge, did she ask your wife? You'll have to ask my wife. I have no
knowledge of that. Q Now, in the year from the time you first heard
the name Zanny up to the time of the disappearance, how many times would you have been -- heard that name? A I have no idea, sir. I have no exact number I have no knowledge.
on times I probably heard it. Q A Ballpark? Maybe once a week.
So I think within a year
period, I think it could have been 52 times. Q Now, did this baby-sitter named Zanny ever
come to the house? A Q No. Um, to your knowledge, was she a paid
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baby-sitter? A Q A idea. I just answered that to you. Actually not. I have -- I have no idea, sir. I just answered that for you. Page 12 I have no
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GAnthony-rough.txt I actually asked -No. You asked me, sir, if I had given my You asked me if my
daughter money to pay, and I said no. wife did. I said I have no idea.
You have to ask her so Be nice, now. Be
I already answered that question. nice. Q
The question I'm asking you -- there's
actually a third person could be paying her which would be your daughter. A To your -How she got the
That's a possibility, sir.
money, I have no idea, so let's just cut to the chase. Q To your knowledge, did your daughter ever
indicate to you, directly or indirectly, that she was paying her? A Q You'll -- no. I have no idea.
How did she describe -- during that year
before the disappearance, did she ever describe Zanny to you? A I never heard a description of Zanny until all
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Q all this? A
Did she ever tell you how she knew her before I'm talking about before. She supposedly met her through Universal
Studios, another gentlemen and a young boy that she was watching. Q Now, is that something that you've heard since
the disappearance or would that have been back before, if you remember? A That was back before that. That was within
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Okay.
GAnthony-rough.txt It was someone she met through
Universal Studios is what she told you, before the disappearance? A Q Yes, sir. I just answered that.
Did she tell you before the disappearance
where she lived? A Q I don't remember that at all, no. Did she tell you where it was where she would
drop your granddaughter off, where it was she would leave her with Zanny? A Q Apartments? A Had to be somewhere in Orlando. I have no idea, sir. Had to be No particular address, no. How about just basic location, like Sawgrass
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Q Apartments? A Q
Did she ever say anything about Sawgrass
No, sir. Everything you know today do you believe there
ever was a Zanny the baby-sitter? A Q daughter. I have a belief in my daughter, yes. My question isn't if you have a belief in your Do you believe there really was someone named
Zanny who was babysitting during that year? A Q Absolutely. Have you ever discussed with your wife whether
or not she believes it? A Q A My wife and I believe there was a Zanny there. As of today is my question, not back then. Yeah, I still believe there's a Zanny out Page 14
GAnthony-rough.txt 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 18 there, I do. Q Have you had discussions with your wife in
which she raised questions of the truthfulness of the story of Zanny or whether there was a baby-sitter named Zanny? A Q A Q I'm not going to answer that. How come? Because I don't have to answer it. Why not? MR. CONWAY: Privilege, marital privilege.
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When you have -- back when you were having
conversations with your wife about Zanny, did you consider that to be a secret conversation? A What are you talking about a secret
conversation. MR. CONWAY: It's privileged. He's not going Go on to
to answer that question. the next question. Q
It's privileged.
Did you consider your conversations with your
wife about Zanny to be secret, private? MR. CONWAY: The answer is, yes, Mr. Mitnik. It's He's not
He is not going to answer the question. privileged.
It's a marital communication.
going to answer it. BY MR. MITNIK: Q A Did you, sir? Brad just answered in for me. MR. MITNIK: I will just as a courtesy warn
you, please, for the sake of future hearings we're going to have in this matter don't answer for the Page 15
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witness.
GAnthony-rough.txt You can make -I'm not answering. I'm making an
MR. CONWAY: objection. MR. MITNIK:
You can make your objection, but That's dangerous
you can't speak for the witness.
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territory. BY MR. MITNIK: Q
Beware.
Have you ever seen this lady before today in
person, Zenaida Gonzalez? A Q A Q A Q Just on TV. Never in person? No, sir. So she had never been in your house? I just answered that. I said no.
And if I'm correct, you never laid eyes on
anyone named Zenny that was a baby-sitter in your life? A Q A Pronunciation, sir, is Zanny. Zanny. Instead of Zenny, what you're saying, so I No, sir.
guess you have to pronunciate things a little bit better, sir, for people to understand you. Q A Q I don't want to confuse you. You won't confuse me, sir. I can tell. I'm on the ball.
Give me the pronunciation so I
can get it right. A How about Z-A-N-Y. And if you can't pronounce
an A, there's something wrong with you. Q A Q Tell me how you say it. Zanny. Zanny? Page 16
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Z-A-N-Y, yes, sir.
And the way you're Am I upset, sir?
pronouncing it, you're saying Zenny.
You're darn right I'm upset being here because I think this is just uncalled for. Q Now, do I understand correctly that never in
your life have you seen the alleged Zanny, the baby-sitter? A Q A I just said I have not, sir. No, actually, I was asking about this lady. I haven't seen her. I haven't seen her in
person until today except seeing her on television. Q I'm asking you a different question. Have you
ever seen this alleged Zanny the baby-sitter -A Q A I just said no, sir. -- in -I just said no. I said it five times to you
MR. CONWAY:
He answered the question already.
George, just go ahead and answers it again. A I have not seen this Zanny who's the
baby-sitter of my granddaughter. Q A Q In your life? I have never -- no. Did you ever ask -- during the year leading up
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other person you'd never met, did you ever ask can I meet her? A Q Did not. Were there incidences in the year leading up Page 17
GAnthony-rough.txt 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 to the disappearance where your daughter had taken money, to your knowledge, that didn't belong to her? A Not going to answer that. MR. CONWAY: That's irrelevant. There are It's going to
criminal charges pending against her.
affect the ability of her to get a fair trial so we're not going to answer that question in this forum. BY MR. MITNIK: Q Just so we're clear so you can think about the
wisdom of taking that positions, the relevance here is that if she's having to take money from others, then how in the world does she have money to pay for a baby-sitter once a week or every week, and it is highly relevant to this case. So I'm going to ask one more time and see if
you want to answer the question so we don't have to come back on another day because I know you'd probably rather not on a motion to compel. Was your daughter taking money that did not belong to her from others, to your knowledge, in the year
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A Q A
I'm not answering that. You refuse to answer it? Take it any way you want to take it. Refuse
I'm not answering it.
It's no concern about this It's no concern.
lady down here, sitting down here. Q
Did your daughter appear to be short on funds
in the year leading up to the disappearance? MR. CONWAY: A If you know.
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about -- with your daughter about her need for money or her finances during that year? A Q Never discussed it with her. Did you ever discuss with her why she would
take money that didn't belong to her? MR. CONWAY: Mr. Mitnik, that assumes that she
I mean, give him a fair question and he'll
answer it, if he can. MR. MITNIK: back, please? (The record was read back as requested.) MR. CONWAY: You're assuming she took money Would you read that question
that didn't belong to her. BY MR. MITNIK: Q You can answer.
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I have no knowledge of my daughter's taking
None? None. Not from anybody -- any family member? MR. CONWAY: He just said none, Mr. Mitnik.
That's pretty inclusive. Q A Q A Q Not from any family member; is that correct? That's correct. Is that your sworn testimony? Yep. I have no knowledge of it.
How about using credit cards that didn't Any knowledge of that?
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friction or argument that occurred within 24, 48 hours of the time that your daughter and granddaughter went missing? A Q I have no knowledge of that. You don't know anything about any kind of an
argument or voices getting raised the evening before
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Did not. It didn't happen or don't know about it? Didn't happen, and I know of no other
incidents at all in my house in that 24/48 hours. Q The last time that you saw Caylee, tell me Tell me about that. I'm going to object to that.
what was going on.
MR. CONWAY:
What does that have to do with your defamation case, Mr. Mitnik? information. Talking about very personal The question, in my mind, is designed
to embarrass, to annoy and to harass this family, and it's got nothing to do with clearing your client, which is what we're here to do, absolutely 100 percent want to clear your client and restore whatever good name she had. MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: MR. MITNIK: You want to do that? Absolutely, absolutely. I'm not going to spend my whole
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circumstances leading up to it to show it couldn't have been her.
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MR. CONWAY:
Well, ask a question that's
designed to get there and he'll answer it directly. MR. MITNIK: MR. CONWAY: get direct. BY MR. MITNIK: Q Good question. Let me ask a question leading Gladly. It's clearly not your client so
up to that so I can get to the circumstances that were going on so I can show my client couldn't have had anything to do with it. Tell me, sir, the last time you saw your daughter what was going on. A few years. Q A Your granddaughter. No, I'm not -MR. CONWAY: Daughter or granddaughter. Tell me -I've seen my daughter a lot over these last
I'm not going to discuss the last thought of
my granddaughter, last thought I had and last time I saw her. Q A I didn't ask your last thought. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. You asked me the
last -- don't do that to me, sir. Q Let me rephrase it. Page 21
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you can get away with all these questions.
Number one is
the Zanny that my daughter described to me is 24 to 25 years old, about 5 foot 7, 125, 130 pounds. straight white teeth, long brown hair. to ten, she's a ten, supposedly. Q A Okay. So let's just cut to the chase and why don't She had
On a scale of one
we end this right now today. Q first time? A The first time I saw it was in July 15. When did she give you that description for the
That's the time the sheriff department came to my house and all the information was passed on to them. So let's
just stop the chase right now and be done with this. Q Let me ask you, were you -- and we're going to
come back to the, quote, chase, but let me ask you something about that while we're on it. THE WITNESS: I'm not going to be able to
handle this too much longer, Brad. Q Let me ask you a question, sir. When you --
were you there when your daughter -- at the jail when your daughter was on the phone with your wife talking about -THE WITNESS: We're talking about a criminal I can't answer this.
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MR. CONWAY:
Just let him ask the question.
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GAnthony-rough.txt lived in Kissimmee who the police interviewed. MR. MITNIK: this. Brad, I'm getting ready to end
I'm getting ready to walk out. MR. CONWAY: Just let him ask the question. All right. Take a
Take a deep breath, George. breath. BY MR. MITNIK: Q
This is very specific, so all you-all listen
close to this lady sitting right here. A I've looked at her many times, sir, and I feel
sorry for her being here. Q A So let me ask you a very specific question. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Really I
I feel sorry that you have to go through this. do.
And I hope from this I'll be able to shake your hand
when this is all over with and just say that I'm sorry. Q Okay. Very specific question about her. Your
daughter told, with you there in the room, we've got the video clips, told your wife that she never looked at a photograph of this Zenaida Gonzalez, the one that the police went down and interviewed in Kissimmee, denied having looked at a photograph of her which would have
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Did you know that she did that? Have no knowledge of that. Do you have knowledge that your wife, Cindy
Anthony, went in front of cameras and told them that your daughter said she denied ever looking at a photograph of her there by clearing her? A Were you aware of that?
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GAnthony-rough.txt I don't remember that at all. Q Now, before your daughter went missing -- your
daughter and granddaughter went missing, what had you heard from your daughter just in the years leading up to that about having any friends or acquaintances at Sawgrass Apartments? A I didn't know anything about Sawgrass
Apartments until this 15th of July 2008. Q A Q Apartments? A When the investigation itself started from my You'd never heard of it before, before then? I just said I didn't. And how did you first hear about Sawgrass
missing granddaughter. Q And who did you hear it from? MR. CONWAY: THE WITNESS: Q George, need some water? I'm fine.
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If I'm not mistaken, sir, you'll have to ask That's their ongoing
the sheriff's department. investigation. Q A Q
Did you hear it from your daughter Casey? I heard it from the sheriff's department. Did you ever have a conversation with your
daughter relating to Sawgrass Apartments at all? A Q No. So she never relayed to you any story about
dropping Caylee off at Sawgrass Apartments with Zanny? A Q No. The investigator, Dominic Casey, did he work Page 24
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GAnthony-rough.txt for you or the family at any time? MR. CONWAY: A You can answer that.
He's worked for us, I believe, since about
November of 2008. Q A Q bill? MR. CONWAY: product. MR. MITNIK: MR. CONWAY: MR. MITNIK: Work product why? It's attorney-client. Work product in what litigation? That's privileged. It's work And "us" would be who? The Anthony family, Cindy and I. And would that mean you-all were paying his
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MR. CONWAY:
He was working for the Anthonys
in regard to the criminal investigation, as well as the disappearance of their granddaughter. BY MR. MITNIK: Q All right. Did you -- your wife, as I
understand, indicated to investigators when they came to serve a search warrant at the house, indicated to investigators that she had sent someone out to the woods ultimately where the body was found to look back in -back in November. Were you present when she made any such
MR. CONWAY: just -MR. MITNIK: BY MR. MITNIK: Q
Would you mind reading that back
I'll be glad to rephrase it.
Did you ever send anyone out to go look in the Page 25
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investigators that -A Q She did not do that. She do that?
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She didn't do that. She didn't tell investigators that? I'm not
asking did she actually say -A Listen, my wife and I discuss everything about
my granddaughter and my daughter on a daily basis. That's -- something like that we would have discussed. She did not say that to me. Q A that to me. You didn't hear her say that, correct? I just answered that, sir. She did not say How can you
I want to understand something.
get involved in a criminal case when this is a civil matter? Explain that to me, sir, when you keep on Is this 15 minutes fame so
fishing for more stuff? important to you? Q I will. A Q courtesy? A Thank you.
Sir, I don't have to explaining anything, but
Yes, sir, you have to explain a lot to me. Actually, I don't, but I will just as a
I'd appreciate some courtesy.
I
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No, sir, you've done it three or four times.
I don't appreciate the gesture. Q I will continue. I push -- my glasses slide
down and up on my face. bird at you. I'm sorry.
I wouldn't sit here and shoot a I will be very careful to use
my pinky so there is no question now. Let me explain you to -A You can explain all you'd want and I'd
appreciate it. Q A Q I do represent someone -Yes, you do, sir. -- that's been drug into something that's
really ugly for her, and I'm trying really hard to represent her. A for you. Q Now, in order to clear her name --
I've already cleared her name already today I've already -- I've already done that, sir. And I appreciate you doing so. Now, your
daughter hasn't. A Well, you know, sir, that's something you're
going to have to handle on your own with her and through her counsel. Q A Q In any event -Go ahead, sir. In order to prove up the case, since her
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I don't need your approval for them but as a
courtesy I want you to understand where I'm coming from. I know you would like my questions to be extremely narrow and simply be do you think she did it? A No, sir. This whole thing could be handled Don't need to go three, four,
within five minutes.
hours, whole day, take up my time and his time and my wife's time. Q This could be done in no time, sir. I'm done with my explanation. I tried.
Okay.
I'm going to go back to my business. A Well, I hope I can sit here a little bit
longer for your business. Q Did you with the investigator that was working
for you and your wife, did you -- Dominic Casey, did you give him any leads as to where to go look? A Q A Q No. How about your wife, to your knowledge? No. Where did -- to your knowledge, where did he
get the lead? A Just like on TV that I saw, supposedly from a
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George, not going to answer the
It's privileged.
Is it your testimony that your only knowledge
as to where he got -- allegedly got his lead, only knowledge would be from seeing something on TV? A Absolutely. Page 28
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why she won't say this Zenaida Gonzalez is not the person I was talking about? A I have not had a chance to talk to my daughter
since she's been incarcerated. Q I thought I saw you on tapes on the phone with
her since she's been incarcerated. MR. CONWAY: You haven't, Mr. Mitnik. He
hasn't talked to his daughter since she was incarcerated, period. BY MR. MITNIK: Q Before the murder charge, you didn't talk to
her when all this was going on at the jail? A In August I did, yeah, when she was
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I was just seeing how she was doing. Q Have you ever had a conversation with your
daughter in which you questioned her about her whole story about Zenaida, Zenaida or Zanny, Zenny, any of team? A Q Have not. Let's talk about the time period, that 31 days
when your daughter and granddaughter were -- you didn't see them. During that time, did you make any effort to
try and locate this Zanny? A Did not. Page 29
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did you make any efforts to locate this Zanny? A Q Think about what you just asked me. Did you make any efforts to find Zanny
after -- while -A That's not what you -- the question -- if she
could read it back -Q I'll just rephrase it, make it quick. Did you make any effort to find Zanny after your daughter reappeared without your granddaughter while she was missing before her remains were found? A Q A Did not. Why not? Because I did not.
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Why not? Because I did not. I don't have to give you a
specific answer, sir. Q
I just did not.
Did you attempt to find your granddaughter at
all during that time? A Sir, I've looked for my granddaughter every
single day 24 hours a day since she came up missing. Q Okay. Why 24 hours a day every single day up
to the time her remains were found, once she went missing while you were searching for her, did you not once try to find this Zanny that your daughter was saying had her? A No, sir, because I put every bit of effort
that I thought was the best for the sheriff's department and private investigators to do their job. Q story? Page 30 Was it because you didn't believe the Zanny
GAnthony-rough.txt 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 yes. Q Well, did some time during the time she was A No, sir. It's because I wanted to control
myself as much as I could for what everything I was going through to hold my family together. Q Your daughter throughout that time was
indicating that Zanny had her, right? A At the beginning, sir, that's what I was told,
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something different? A If you say the remains one more time, sir, I'm How dare you say that about high How dare you?
walking out this door. granddaughter? Q
How dare you?
Since your granddaughter was found, during
that time frame, while she was missing, did you -- why did you not in any way, shape or form, try to follow -strike that. At some point during the time your granddaughter was missing, did your daughter back off the claim that Zanny had her? A My daughter's been incarcerated, sir, since --
three times since last year. Q A Did she at any time during that time? Sir, I haven't talked to my daughter since I haven't had conversation with my
August of last year.
daughter since August of last year. Q A Q So would the answer be no? The answer's absolutely no. So the only story as to where your
granddaughter was was coming from your daughter that you Page 31
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If you believe that, why would you not try to
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MR. CONWAY: question.
Mr. Mitnik, he answered that
You continue asking the same question
over and over again. MR. MITNIK: Actually, he refused to answer
MR. CONWAY: MR. MORGAN: MR. MITNIK: MR. CONWAY:
No, he did answer that. What's the answer? What's the answer? He said he did everything he
could to assist the sheriff's department and private investigator in finding them. MR. MITNIK: I heard all that. That's just
not an answer to the question. BY MR. MITNIK: Q A Why if your daughter -The last time I brought Zanny into my
conversation is when my granddaughter came up missing in July of 2008 so let's just stop that that's the last time I discussed it. Q Why if you believed your daughter's story
about Zanny would you not try to find the person who allegedly had her? A I just answered that because I trusted law I trusted the FBI and I also trusted the
enforcement.
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private investigators that you every waking hour 24 hours a day the entire time you were searching for your granddaughter. A Did I hear that right?
Yeah, I searched for my granddaughter 24 hours
a day, I did. Q And my question to you is in that search, if
you have a name of a person who allegedly has her, why would you not try to find that person? MR. CONWAY: Mitnik. He answered that question, Mr. It's been asked
He answered the question.
and answered. Q A Answer it again because I don't understand it. The last person that I was told who had my That's
granddaughter was a lady by the name of Zanny. it. Q
What did you do to locate the person who had
your granddaughter? A Information was turned in to the sheriff's Let them
department, private investigators and the FBI. do their job. Q
So you -- would it be your testimony that you
asked the private investigator to go find Zanny? A The sheriff's department, the FBI and a
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this baby-sitter. Q That wasn't my question. Did you tell the
investigators that you hired to go find her? MR. CONWAY: Just answer it "yes" or "no," Page 33
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effort to try and locate her? A Q A Q Just a name that I had. Nothing more? Nothing more. Okay. And what reports did you get back as to That was it.
their efforts to find -A You'll have to ask sheriff's department about
It's privileged information. MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: worked for him. is work product. MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: That isn't work. It had everything to do with the Why is it privileged? Because he hired them. They
Everything that was given to them
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fact they were being investigated by the sheriff's office. They were obstructions of -You're taking the privilege based
MR. MORGAN:
on no pending lawsuit. MR. CONWAY: I'm talking about the lawsuit
based on pending criminal charges at the time. MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: MR. MORGAN: Against the Anthonys? Yes, sir. George Page 34 and Cindy?
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GAnthony-rough.txt MR. CONWAY: According to the sheriff's office, they're being investigated and could be charged with obstruction charges. MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: Not now or still? At this point, no, absolutely
MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY:
Then you have no privilege. We'll certify it to the judge and
deal with the judge on it. MR. MITNIK: I don't want to hear about taking
up people's time when we're back here. BY MR. MITNIK: Q Did you get any leads on Zanny during this
time that your granddaughter was missing? A I'm sure the sheriff's department, the FBI and
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Did you hear of any leads? No, sir, I did not. Were you screaming bloody murder this woman,
Zanny's, got my granddaughter, by gosh, why aren't we chasing her or anything like that? A Again, sir. You're going to have to ask the
sheriff's department, the FBI and private investigators. MR. MITNIK: Read my question back.
(The record was read back as requested.) MR. CONWAY: A No. Just answer "yes" or "no."
BY MR. MITNIK: Q Would -- in the time period leading up to the
disappearance, would Caylee spend the night at Zanny's? Page 35
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GAnthony-rough.txt Possibly. To your knowledge, did she? Possibly. I don't know. That's possible. Do you ever
I mean to your knowledge did she?
remember that happening? A It's possible. I believe my daughter said
maybe on an occasion or two she was staying at Zanny's house. Q When you say it's possible, do you actually
have a specific memory of it? A Well, sir, I don't know the exact location
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where this person was at. the time, no. Q
I don't have an exact date and
That's not my question.
Do you have a
specific recollection in the time -A My dad -- I'm sorry. My daughter said it make
once or twice to me that she was staying at Zanny's house with my granddaughter. Q A Q Before the disappearance? Yes. Did you ever go yourself during the time of
the disappearance -- I'm sorry -- after -- after you first -- you heard the story about Zanny and Sawgrass, did you ever go to Sawgrass? A Q A Q A No. Did you send Lee there? No. Why not? Because I wouldn't send my son in to do
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sir. Q What did you do in law enforcement? MR. CONWAY: A my life. Q A Q And how long ago? Over 20 years ago. So how about you? Did you -- why didn't you Go ahead and answer.
I was a deputy sheriff, sir, for ten years of
go to Sawgrass follow up? A Because, sir -MR. CONWAY: question. A -- the sheriff's department, FBI and private Mr. Mitnik, he answered that
investigators were going to do their job. Q Did you believe from talking to your daughter Had you
that she -- that Zanny allegedly lived there? heard that? A
Sir, I didn't hear anything about Sawgrass
Apartments until July 15th of 2008. Q A Q A Apartments. What'd you hear about it then? The sheriff's department. I didn't say who. What did you hear?
That they're investigating Sawgrass That's all I can tell you. Page 37
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GAnthony-rough.txt That's all you knew about Sawgrass is they
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were investigating? A Q That's all I knew. It would be your sworn testimony that you did
not hear your daughter claimed that that's where she dropped Casey (sic) off at with the baby-sitter? A I didn't know until the sheriff department
showed me and also when I saw it on TV, sir, on July 15th. Q And after you saw it on TV, you didn't go
yourself and look there? A Q No, I did not. Were you present, by the way, during any of
the 911 calls that your wife -A Q A Q A No. -- made? No, I was not. Did you ever go to Blanchard Park? I've been to Blanchard Park numerous times,
sir, since this happened. Q Did you ever go to Blanchard Park specifically
to investigate anything about Casey's missing -- Caylee's missing? A Q No. Did you have conversations with your daughter
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We'll talk about text -A Q A Q A Q A Q A I have no idea. More than five times? I have no idea. More than once? I have -- I have no idea an exact number. I don't want an exact number. You asked me for -More than once? You asked me for one. You asked me for five. I
I don't know. don't know. Q A
It could have been a thousand, sir.
More than one? Yeah, it probably was more than one, yes.
I'll answer more than one. Q More than ten? MR. CONWAY: If you don't know, don't --
Ten is more than one, correct, sir? Sure. I just said more than one. But a thousand is hard for me to handle.
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Come on.
This --
Can you give me a reasonable range, sir? I'm not answering anything about that any I've just answered your question. And why won't you answer it any further trying
to give me a reasonable change? MR. CONWAY: A He's telling you he doesn't know.
Because I already told you it was more than Page 39
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I'm trying to get a range on the high end.
What's a reasonable high end? A question. Oh, my God, unbelievable. Go to another
I'm not answering -- I'm not answering that
any further. Q Okay. MR. MORGAN: May I just say something, and in
respect for you, Mr. Anthony, please hear me out, is the last thing we want to do for you to go to the judge, have all these questions brought up and bring you back. Please believe that. And the way for
this to be ended today is to answer these questions. What you think is relevant, what we think is relevant may be two different things, but out of respect for you, I just want to let you know the path we're going is going to have you back here in a
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month or so -THE WITNESS: Mr. Morgan, I'm going to
interrupt you for a second. MR. CONWAY: THE WITNESS: George, George. I already told you this person
right here is not the person that was described to me by my granddaughter. MR. MORGAN: that. THE WITNESS: I'm sorry, by my daughter. That But your daughter hasn't said
lady's not 25 years old. MR. MORGAN: Your daughter has been given a
picture of this woman. Page 40
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And she would not answer.
could have ended it, as Mr. Mitnik said, a long time ago. you. THE WITNESS: MR. MORGAN: That's right. It's not. And So this is not about what -- this is not about
It's about your daughter.
this woman has also been sued by your daughter as well. THE WITNESS: from me. Sir, that's a separate issue
I'm not concerned about that. But you have to understand where
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we're coming from.
We're not only representing
Zenaida, but we're also representing her in the lawsuit by your daughter against her. So all I'm
saying is the precursor Keith has laid it out, we don't want to come back here, and I know you don't want to come back here. THE WITNESS: MR. MORGAN: I'm not coming back again. You'll do what the judge says. The judge
And, you know, you're a police officer. tells you -THE WITNESS: officer. MR. MORGAN: THE WITNESS: MR. MORGAN: No, sir.
I'm not a police
You were a police officer. 20 years ago. I want to lay that out for you,
Brad, because I do not want to bring -- my sympathies are for you -THE WITNESS: No, they're not, because this Page 41
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questions as accurately as we can. THE WITNESS: The whole thing could have been
handled in five questions, sir. MR. MORGAN: No, it can't. The whole question
about Casey, this isn't her, that could be handled
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in one question. MR. CONWAY: He's trying to answer as
accurately as we can. MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: discussed that. MR. MORGAN: I know. I'm just telling you how I know. I know. We
He doesn't want to guess.
this is going to play out in as nice a way as we can. BY MR. MITNIK: Q Now, your daughter, during the time that your
granddaughter was missing, came into the house while you were there; is that right? A Q On one occasion, yes, I could think of. And you at that point in time attempted to go
into the trunk of her car; is that right? A Q A Q A I'm not going to answer that. And she blocked you from getting into the car? I'm not going to answer that. Okay. On what grounds?
That's part of a criminal investigation that
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is videotape.
There will immediately be copies All of this affects the
given out to the media.
criminal investigation that's ongoing as well as her right to a fair trial. So anything that has to do
with Zenaida Gonzalez and the defamation suit, he wants to answer on point correctly and accurately as possible, but whatever has to do with the criminal investigation and nothing to do with Zenaida Gonzalez, he's not going to answer those questions. We'll certify them and answer them under different circumstances, if the judge orders that. MR. MITNIK: So if I ask did she basically run
to the car and get in it and slam it down before you could get into the trunk, he's not going to answer any of those questions? MR. CONWAY: He's not going to answer those
questions here today on videotape. MR. DILL: What he's referring to has already This is -- hold on,
been part of the public record. Brad.
This is the interview that has already been
part of the public record that everybody has access to and he's asking about that. So whatever
privilege you're talking about, whatever Fifth Amendment right is not impacted by this at all, sixth amendment right.
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GAnthony-rough.txt reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. have to have. MR. CONWAY: What I'm talking about is the In a civil case that's all we
videotape that you intend to release immediately at the end of this deposition, and my position is that the videotape is intended to harass, annoy and put them in a position -- this is going to go on Nancy Grace with Mr. Morgan, and we're not going to answer those questions. If you've got it, you've got it. He's given
his answer under oath to law enforcement, and I don't think it's relevant to your civil suit. MR. DILL: MR. MITNIK: it once. It's not under oath. Let's stop. We're trying to do Let's just let
It's not going to happen.
him take the position. MR. DILL: MR. MORGAN: All right. But it wasn't under oath, Brad,
that's the difference. MR. MITNIK: Some of this was. The fact of
the matter is we all know something under oath in a statement somewhere else isn't the same as getting it in a civil case under oath. It's apples and
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oranges.
It's not the same.
I can't walk into You take
court and use a statement in another case. it through a deposition. case. We all know it.
You bring it into this
You're taking your client down an erroneous path, but I can't stop you. Page 44 If you're not going to
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GAnthony-rough.txt answer, you're not going to answer. MR. CONWAY: Mr. Mitnik, it has nothing to do These people have been
with the defamation case.
through a horrendous nine months, and this is prolonging it and it's making it more difficult. So, you know, we want to answer your questions, want to clear your client, want to help you do your job. BY MR. MITNIK: Q Did you feel, sir, that for the two years
leading up to the disappearance you felt your daughter really had not been working? A Is that true?
I already answered at the beginning, sir, I
believe my daughter was working at Universal Studios for two years. Q Do you recall your statement being taken under
oath back on 8/4/2008, by Edward -- Eric Edwards, Orange County Sheriff's Department? A Q Do you remember that, sir?
Some parts of it, yes. Do you recall on page 25, line 15, making the
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following statement: hadn't been working.
I felt for two years my daughter I felt that.
Did you say that to him? A Q A read it. Q A yes. Q Do you recall at the end of it him saying -Page 45 Was it -- was that under oath? Him and I were having a conversation that day, If it's in there, I probably did. You want me to show it to you? No, sir, you don't have to. You've already
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you said today was true, answered -- truly given and it's true, correct? A there. Q Was it true when you said that that when you Yep, that was correct, then that's when I was
said I felt for two years my daughter hasn't been working, I felt that, were you telling the officer the truth? A Q Yeah. Now, today you have told us you believe she Which one is the truth?
was working the whole time. A
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That's all I could say. Q not? Why did you tell the officers you felt she was The officers that were trying to get to the bottom
of finding your granddaughter, why did you tell them that? A No, sir. This whole thing has to do with Ms.
Gonzalez sitting down there. MR. CONWAY: I believe your question was
whether -- whether she told him. Q Why did you tell -- why did you tell the
police officers that you felt that your daughter had not been working for the last two years? A Q A I'm not going to answer it any further, sir. Why? I'm not going to answer it. That's part of a
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missing -- was not up -- I'm sorry -- was up on the outside pool that you have, the out-of-ground pool that you have -THE WITNESS: Brad, I'm not answering. I'm
going to have to get up and go. MR. CONWAY: Q Just let him ask the question.
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potentially your daughter had been in there with your granddaughter and something could have happened? A I'm not answering that. MR. CONWAY: and wife. MR. MITNIK: third-party. BY MR. MITNIK: Q So you will not answer about concerns that And it's waived when given to It's conversation between husband
We'll just take it to the judge.
potentially some harm could have come to your granddaughter in that pool with your daughter? A Nope, not here today, I'm not, no. MR. MORGAN: Q We have two minutes of tape.
Did you tell the detectives that maybe
something happened, you know, I hated to think about that, but it was just because you don't talk to one special little person in your life when you didn't hear that little voice for weeks upon a time? that? MR. CONWAY: Mr. Mitnik, you know, these Did you say
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I mean,
I mean, let's clear your
client, but have some compassion for this guy. You're bringing up things that are horrendous
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thoughts for anybody and you're needling it into him, and it's not necessary, sir. MR. MITNIK: Just for the record, the
continuous interrupting with my deposition, I'm going to take to the judge. MR. CONWAY: MR. MITNIK: MR. CONWAY: MR. MITNIK: I understand. On your behavior so beware. I understand. We have very strict rules on what
comments should be make in a deposition and what objections should be made. The rules have tightened
down from the old speaking objection and lecturing and all that -MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: Let's change tape. I'm just asking you to have some
compassion for this family. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: off the record. (A 4-minute recess was had.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: back on record. BY MR. MITNIK: Q What do you know about your daughter changing Time is 11:24 a.m. We're Time is 11:20. We'll go
the story of Zenaida Gonzalez being dropped off at
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GAnthony-rough.txt 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 A Q A Q A Q A Q I have no knowledge about that. None? None. Did you ever talk to your daughter about it? No, I have not. Have you heard that there's a different story? I've heard a lot of stories, sir. Have you heard that that particular one
changed from she voluntarily dropped her -- your granddaughter off with Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass and then changed the story to Zenaida Gonzalez took her from her, kidnapped her from her at Blanchard Park? heard of that change in your daughter's story? A Q Have not. So that's news you're hearing for the first Have you
time here today? A Q Yeah, yes. Do you have a belief -- who would be on your
list of potential people currently that did this? A Q A Q A I'm not going to discuss that with you, sir. You have a list but you won't tell me? I'm not going to tell you. Is your daughter on that list? I'm not going to discuss anything about my
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Is any Zenaida Gonzalez, any Zenaida Gonzalez,
on that list? MR. CONWAY: A Q No. Is that because you now have concluded that Page 49 Answer that.
GAnthony-rough.txt 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 A the Zenaida Gonzalez story was not true from the beginning? MR. CONWAY: MR. MORGAN: You can answer that. And that's very relevant.
This particular Zenaida Gonzalez that's here I
don't believe is involved taking my granddaughter. Q That's not my question. Have you rejected
believe in your own mind the Zenaida Gonzalez story is not true period; that there was no Zenaida Gonzalez that your daughter left your granddaughter with who took her? A That's who my daughter said she left her with.
That's who she left her with. Q Okay. So my question is, if she is -- if no
Zenaida Gonzalez is on your list, is it because you've rejected that story? A I haven't rejected that story. I believe in
my daughter. Q Can you explain to me how you can square I
don't consider any Zenaida Gonzalez to be on the list
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This particular Zenaida Gonzalez over here is
not involved where involved with my daughter and my granddaughter. Q Gonzalez? A particular. I'm not answering any. I'm talking about this We're not Matter I hear you. Any -- I asked you any Zenaida
That's what we're here for today.
talking about anyone else named Zenaida Gonzalez.
of fact, if I'm not mistaken, your client is not Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. Page 50
GAnthony-rough.txt 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 61 MR. CONWAY: MR. MITNIK: MR. MORGAN: Can I help you for a second? I don't need any help. Let me just say this. If you all
really want to put an end to this, he's asking a very direct question which is does he believe any Zenaida Gonzalez -- it's not on the list. It's not
on his list and a simple not I believe my daughter. The simple question is do you believe any -if you really are saying what you believe, that's a very direct question and can stop a lot of other questions. MR. CONWAY: I understand your question, and
what I was going to explain to you is that Zanny is the name he heard prior to July. is the name afterwards. Zenaida Gonzalez
So if we can ask your
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question on that premise. MR. MORGAN: But the Zenaida Gonzalez was
questioned by the police. MR. CONWAY: Right. Right. Just take it in
that time frame and if you could ask your questions that way, I think it will -BY MR. MITNIK: Q Who do you believe -- who do you believe Zanny
Is there a Zanny and who do you believe there is? A I was told there was a Zanny and she was a
baby-sitter. Q Who is it then? Who is the person? Who do
you believe the person is? MR. CONWAY: don't -Page 51 If you don't know, George, you
GAnthony-rough.txt 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 62 name? A Q I have no idea, sir. Have you -- have you thought it might be code A Q I do not know. I didn't ask you if you know. Who do you
believe it could be? A Q A Q I do not know. You have no even suspicion? Nope, I do not, sir. Do you think it's code for somebody else's
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for someone else? A me here. Q You know something? You're trying to badger
I don't appreciate that. Have you thought it might be a code for
someone else? MR. CONWAY: A Q No. Have you ever looked in the phone book -Just answer.
we've heard about looking in the phone book for Zenaida? MR. CONWAY: A Q finish. A I've never looked in the phone book. I don't No. -- in the phone book for -- hold on. Let me Have you ever looked --
use a phone book anymore. Q Have you ever looked in the phone book for
Zenaida Gonzalez? A Q A No. How about on the Internet the phone book? Possibly, I have. Page 52
GAnthony-rough.txt 21 22 23 24 Q A How many did you find in Central Florida? Well, sir, if I'm not mistaken between Miami
and Jacksonville there is over a thousand of them. Q Not my question. How many here in Central
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computer? A Q A Q Sir, there's like 140 of them. 140 Zenaida Gonzalez -Yeah, there are. -- in Greater Orlando area? MR. CONWAY: it. A Q 140? A I don't remember the exact site, sir. I don't If you know. If you know, answer
If you don't, you don't know. Yeah, in Greater Orlando, yeah, there's many. And what did you search on? Not many, about
remember the exact site. Q But your home computer would show where you
searched for that, wouldn't it? MR. CONWAY: A Sheriff's department has that.
Sheriff's department has all that information. MR. CONWAY: MR. MORGAN: I mean, they have the computer. But that computer would show That's
where he had searched for Zenaida Gonzalez. what he said. MR. CONWAY: They've got it. MR. MORGAN: A
I can only assume that it would.
Let him answer that question.
The sheriff's department has our equipment, If you need to ask
has our stuff in their possession. Page 53
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that, you need to ask the sheriff's department. MR. MORGAN: Is that the computer you searched
for Zenaida Gonzalez on? THE WITNESS: MR. MORGAN: BY MR. MITNIK: Q Did you talk with -- during the 31 days when Yeah, the one that I don't have. Okay.
Lee went looking for your daughter and granddaughter and he went to the Dragon Room looking for her -A Q I have no knowledge of that, sir. Did you have any conversation with Lee about
his effort before or after? A day. (Shakes head.) I talk to my son every single
During this thing right here, sir, I -- I don't
remember any of that kind of information about Dragon or anything like that, no. Q Do you remember him telling you that he was
searching for her and he thought she was in Orlando but she was claiming to be in Jacksonville? A Nope, I have no knowledge of that. If he did,
I don't remember. Q How about the story that Zenaida or Zanny was Did
supposedly going to Tampa and was in a car crash? you get a story like that from your daughter? A Yeah, I did.
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Tell me about it.
What'd she tell you?
She just told me that Zanny was coming back She got involved in an accident with her Page 54
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GAnthony-rough.txt two -- her two children or two children -- I'm sorry. Two children she was watching, I'm sorry. Not her
specific children but two children she was watching. Q And as your daughter told it, was your
granddaughter in the car with her at the time of the crash? A Q A Q No. My granddaughter was with my daughter.
And where was your daughter, following her? I believe so. Okay. And what did she tell you why they were
going to Tampa? A Q A Q house? A Q No, it was coming back from Tampa. What did she tell you about that? I don't specifically remember. Did you ask her why haven't you come by the What's going on? No, did not, did not ask her then. Did you talk at all to your granddaughter
during those 31 days on the phone or text or anything like that? A Number one as my granddaughter was only two
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Okay. I haven't talked to my granddaughter -- I have
not heard my granddaughter's voice since June 16th of 2008. Do not ask me that again, sir, because I will walk
out of here. Q A Q Okay. Do not do that to me again. I don't want to make it hard on you. Page 55
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GAnthony-rough.txt Yes, you are. Yes, you are.
I've already
answered everything about this lady right here and I've done it in the best possible way that I can, and I've told you this is not the lady that my daughter described to me. So we could end this right now. This is -- all you're doing is fishing, sir. You're fishing for information for a criminal investigation that you have nothing to do with. already answered everything. I've When
This is not the lady.
I get up out of here, I want to walk over to her and shake her hand and tell her I'm sorry. Q A And I appreciate that. I appreciate that.
I will do that because that's the kind of
person that I am. Q A Q That's good of you. As far as -I mean that. I'm not being sarcastic.
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You better get this over in five minutes.
I'm
giving you five minutes more of my time. I'm walking out of here.
Otherwise, sir,
I know that's not what Brad I'm over this.
told me to do, but do you know something?
I'm over you and I'm over all this other stuff. You guys have torn apart my family so much every single one of you, every single one of you. You
don't realize what you've done to us and you don't care. You don't care. And when you say you sympathize and all
that kind of stuff, you don't give -- anything about me. You don't care. I hope you never have to go through what I hope another family member of
I've had to go through.
yours never has to go through what I've had to go Page 56
GAnthony-rough.txt 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 68 it. MR. CONWAY: It's okay. It's all right. through. Q A Me too, sir. I wouldn't wish it on anyone? If you did, if you Do you know
But do you know something?
need some help, I'd be there to help you. why? Because I care. I care.
That's more than I can So you've got five
say about what's going on right now. more minutes of my time.
Otherwise, I'm walking out of So make your next question I'm done. I'm done with
here, sir, in five minutes. or two be relevant.
If not, I'm leaving. I'm sorry, Brad.
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Listen to the question -THE WITNESS: MR. MITNIK: He's got five minutes. Okay. Let us do it this way.
We've got a lot of stuff, and what we're going to do is we've got questions not answered. We're going to
suspend this and take it with the judge so we can have some parameters on it so that we can -- because what I need to have laid out there needs to be some understanding that this is -- certainly appreciate the painful nature of this. you the question. I am deeply -THE WITNESS: MR. MITNIK: I am laughing about -I'm a kind-hearted person. I I hate having to ask
You can laugh about it, sir, but
hate asking these questions, but I also have an obligation, a deep obligation to this lady here and it doesn't simply end when you saying she wasn't the person. I appreciate you saying that very much. Page 57 If
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GAnthony-rough.txt you shake her hand and say I'm sorry, that will touch my heart, but it doesn't change the fact that I have more work to be done in this case for things that your daughter did, not you or your wife. daughter did. And it creates a very difficult, hard job to do what I have to do with her because of some bad Your
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things that happened to her daughter.
So I need
some parameters from the Court, and I honestly think you genuinely don't understand the limits of what our jobs are here. And I think if we have some
parameters from the Court, we can come back with a clear understanding and we can tant this down a little bit, let me do my job that is an unpleasant one. I'd rather be doing many other things than talking to you in this period of grieving but I have a job to do and I need the judge to give some guidance so we could come back in a less emotional state, roll our sleeves up, get it done and we can get out of your life. MR. MORGAN: Brad, do we understand that we
only have two minutes -- he's walking out of here in two minutes? Is that -If you guys have some relevant
MR. CONWAY: questions. MR. MORGAN: four minutes. MR. MITNIK: minute.
No, no.
He said he's leaving in
I don't care.
We're down to a
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THE WITNESS:
Let's go this over with.
I I'm I
don't want to go in front of a judge no more. tired of judges. tell you what. I'm tired of all this stuff.
I'm not going to answer anything I'm not
about the criminal part of this thing. going to do that. MR. MORGAN: MR. MITNIK: THE WITNESS:
But you're going to have to. Bottom line -I have to do that when the
criminal case comes up, not in a civil case, I do not. I do not. I do not have to answer in a
criminal case. MR. MITNIK: MR. MORGAN: record? MR. CONWAY: Do you know what? Why don't we Let me give you an example. Why don't you put him back on
take a little break and let everybody cool down for a second. THE WITNESS: I don't want to take a break. I
don't want to take a break. MR. MORGAN: What Keith is said and I think If
this is what Mr. Anthony is having trouble with. we prove who did do this, we prove she didn't do
this, and that is why we have to ask these questions or we're not doing our job.
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I've already answered your I've
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whole set of questions about the trunk, smell in the car and that's where we're going next and so we have to tell you that because we have to do that. THE WITNESS: You've already done that.
You've already asked that question. MR. MORGAN: MR. MITNIK: question. MR. CONWAY: I think we're probably better You didn't answer. No, I didn't. I didn't ask that
You asked about me walking to the trunk of the You already asked me about that. MR. MORGAN: If you-all walk out, we're going
to move for contempt. MR. MITNIK: Actually, I asked you about your
daughter blocking you going to the trunk -MR. MORGAN: Let me say this. If you all
decide to back out, we're going to move to find Mr. Anthony in contempt of court. attorney fees and again -We'll be seeking
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You can do that. He cannot answer if he doesn't
want to answer or if you tell him not to answer or you can walk out. Walking out I don't think the
judge will look favorably upon. MR. MITNIK: To be clear, not answering isn't
appropriate either, but, look -- I don't -- here's Page 60
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job and get done and let him leave.
lecture about my cold-heartedness when I'm a kind heart human being every question for doing my job I can't do. On the other hand, I understand this is hard for him. I'm a little disappointed, frankly, Brad,
you didn't have him prepared for this is relevance, this is within the scope of discovery we're entitled to. He apparently thinks only question we get to ask is that her and once I say, no, I'm out of here in five minutes. He's said that. If that's the way
you led him to believe this was going to go, then that didn't serve any purpose, but that's water under the bridge. Where are we going from here? I'm going to
ask questions about who -- anything relevant to
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anyone else committing this murder in the circumstances leading up to it because if it's someone else, it's not here and it is not good enough for him to simply say she didn't do it. I
appreciate he said it and it's certainly helpful to clearing her name, but it's not the end of it. His daughter put her in harm's way with it. She refuses to look at a picture and say it's not her when we've given the opportunity and we're going to go on with this case and we're going to do our job to show not only he says it wasn't, his son says it wasn't, we're going to get everybody else to say Page 61
GAnthony-rough.txt 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rough Draft - 74 break. it wasn't and then we're going to prove it could not have been her because it was someone else. I am not going to be dictated as to what questions I can ask or not. Is it sensitive? Is it
horrible to have to ask this man these questions? Amen. But it doesn't change the fact that I've got
to put on my work hat and ask my questions. I'm not going to sit here and be bereted and argue every question I ask and be told what I can and can't ask. a break. So I've got a job to do. Let's take
Either decide to come back -I don't think he wants to take a
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MR. MITNIK: minute.
We're going to let you talk a I'm either
Then we won't take a break.
going forward and doing my job and get questions and answers and not get a lecture every question I ask. I am empathetic of his situation, but I'm not going to sit here and berated every question I ask. Either be going to do this businesslike and get it done or we're going to go to the judge and ask him what he thinks about it. to do? I've had it. MR. CONWAY: What do you want
What do you want to do?
We're going to take a break and
I'm going to talk to my client. MR. MITNIK: Okay. Time is 11:41. We'll go
THE VIDEOGRAPHER: off the record.
(A 16-minute recess was had.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Time is 11:56 a.m. Page 62 We're
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about a subject before.
I was, I want to make sure I'm clear, any questions that I ask about Dominic Casey when he went out to the woods and what he was told and what he told you-all and all that you're taking the privilege on; am I right?
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Yes, sir.
From reading your statement that we referred
to earlier with sheriff's office, Mark Hussy, I saw something in there about that there had been some disputes over -- this isn't exact words, these are my words -- of Caylee being somewhat attached to you and your wife, and that that may have caused some level of friction or some disputes with Casey in the past. that fair? A I don't ever think there was a dispute between Is
Casey and myself or with Cindy about our affection for our granddaughter. at all. I don't believe there ever was that
I think that was something possibly could have No.
been drummed up or someone said something about it. I mean, my gosh.
My granddaughter lived with us from the
time she was brought home from the hospital until the time she came up missing. everything to me. I think every family has a little bit of dysfunction through it every once in a while. don't think everyone's perfect. Page 63 I mean, I My gosh. She was -- she meant
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in context. 90 percent of the time or more it was my wife watching -- watching our granddaughter, you know, very few times that I actually watched her by myself because of scheduling. Then the question: more of a mom figure then -Answer: Yeah. She was almost -- almost
Question -- than Casey? Answer: Yeah. I think that happened from the I don't know if
day she was born, as a matter of fact.
my wife shared that with you guys or not, but the day that she was born, after they got done cleaning my granddaughter up and stuff like that, who do they hand to her was my wife. And my daughter was always -Harboring ill feelings? Yeah, there's been some And, yeah, she's thrown
And the question was: And the answer was: toughness right there, yeah.
that in my wife's face a few times, yeah, to be honest with you-all. A Yes, sir. I definitely said that. I remember
saying that specifically, yes. Q A Is that accurate? That's accurate, absolutely. And if I can
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went through what they call an episiotomy. if you're familiar with that at all -Q A I am.
-- and the medical terminology of it.
But,
yeah, when the lady who had cleaned up my granddaughter, she could not give her to my daughter right away and my wife was right there. We were both right there watching
our granddaughter because we were just in awe, and she did. She handed it to my daughter and my daughter did
say, yes, oh, you got a chance to hold her before I do. Yeah, that happened. be a problem, sir. Q I'm not suggesting that's a problem, sir. But I don't understand why that should
you stand by the answer I just read you to. A Oh, yes, sir, absolutely. It's part of that
record, yes. Q And while -- during that 31-day period when
your granddaughter and daughter had left the house, was there a time where you followed or chased after your daughter in a car? A I thought I had, but I was mistaken about -I think it was back in March or April I was
about the time.
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wrong on the dates, on the months, yes. Q Now, this would have been August of 08. These
events that we're talking about occurred in July of '08, right. A So it was mix -No, actually, I think it was like April or May Page 65
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No, nothing about
frame where your daughter was missing was like a month before this statement, right? MR. CONWAY: Mr. Mitnik, it's his
granddaughter that was missing. Q Well, they both were gone from the house is When the two of them were gone from the
what I mean.
house, when your granddaughter was missing, that was about a month before you gave this sworn statement to the police; am I right? A Q A Q Yeah, about three weeks, yes, somewhere, yeah. About three weeks? Yeah. And you described it as you were going through And
the stuff with Busch Gardens and Zanny, and it said:
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Answer:
Supposedly Zanny got in this car
Casey was following, I guess, some distance
behind her and Zanny got involved in this accident. Question: Answer: Question: Answer: Question: Hospitalized at Tampa General? That's what we were told. Treated for a concussion? Yes. But then the next day the ER nurse
discovered a large laceration behind the ear and had to treat that? Page 66
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or something like that, if I remember correctly. Answer: Jeff comes to town as we slide down
through here, but I want -- this week of the 23rd to the 27th, from this conversation that you had with the FBI the other day, apparently, there was an incident during that window, that block, where you may have seen her in your wife's truck on the 408. Can you clarify that for me? that week even -- was that the week even? What that -- was Answer: I'm
going to say it is -- we'll have to go back through these E-PASS records. And you say because I went looking for I mean, I saw her leaving
my daughter, I chased her. with my wife's vehicle. Question:
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Yeah, saw her leave the house driving And I turned around and
up Chickasaw getting on the 408. I say I'm following her. her. I'm tired of this. Question:
George, I say, I'm following
I'm sorry to put new that position
because I know that that was something you told the FBI in confidence, and your wife didn't know, and I was going to approach it a little different the other day. Did you -- when -- when that was mentioned to your wife, she just completely denied any knowledge of that. Answer: Well, it would be easy to find an
E-PASS because her E-PASS, my E-PASS, we got two separate accounts, but that would be fine, very easy to find out because I remember my daughter. Page 67 She drives as fast as
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reasonable distance.
from her trying to stay in straddle lanes and all going back and forth. I know she got off somewhere off
Chickasaw or Kirkman and I couldn't get over fast enough to find her. Did you say that? A Oh, absolutely, I said that, yes. I remember
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thought that.
I believe it was April or May when I did
that, not back in July. Q But this is a month after this event where you I said to myself, George, I'm
said I'm tired of this. following her.
I'm tired of this and had this chase. It was earlier in
And you're saying you were confused.
the year and had nothing to do with this time period while she was missing? A right. Q Had nothing to do with this time period, That was just a misquote on my part. Well, I assume that was a pretty dramatic
event chasing your daughter and her getting away down the highway, right? A Q A Q Uh-huh. Is that yes? Yes. Okay. And I assume the time period where your
granddaughter was missing was pretty -- obviously traumatic? A Right, but these two times are not the same Page 68
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computer.
I've always saved those.
That would be in
their evidence. Q All right. I'm going to apologize in advance.
This next subject is sensitive, but I need to ask you about it. You can answer it or take whatever position
you deem you need to take. There was -- when the car was found from Johnson's Towing, did you smell a smell that was really alarming to you? A Again, that's part of the record that the I'll have to say yes.
sheriff's department has. Q
And did you tell them -- I'm just reading from
your statement -- I don't like that car in the smell? I'm going to be straight with you guys. straight and honest. I'm being
I'm not going to hold back.
There's a reality here in this thing, and that's -that's -- that's life? A yes, sir. Q A Q And you smelled that in the car? Uh-huh, yes. And you were -- you were -- I know it's been a Is that Did you say that?
Yeah, because there was a decomposition smell,
long time ago, but you were in law enforcement. where you had the smell? A
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forget. Q Did you learn that through your law
enforcement years? A Absolutely. There is certain things you just
never forget. Q more here. Okay. There was -- I don't have a whole lot
You were at the -- let me ask you about are
you aware of any potential book deals or anything like that being discussed that would create money about this story that you're having to live this nightmare? A no. Q And I want to be clear. I'm not just talking Not that I have -- I have no knowledge of it,
about one that's inked and signed and done, but even any discussions or potentials? A bit. MR. CONWAY: Wait a second. Are you asking Okay. I can expand upon that just a little
about in terms of Casey Anthony? MR. MITNIK: MR. CONWAY: Or them. What's your question? They're
not going to answer any questions in regard to themselves. That's irrelevant to your lawsuit. In
regard to Zenaida -THE WITNESS: If I could just say one thing.
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There have been outside sources outside of our
family that are capitalizing on this situation, and they're the people that are writing these books or having these memoirs or selling items on ebay things like that. Page 70
GAnthony-rough.txt 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 As far as Cindy and I and anyone else connected with our family, no, sir, we're not. And if someone else outside of the family's doing it, I have no knowledge exactly of that except what I've seen has been put on the news like Caylee Dolls and things of that nature. Q A I would be -And photos that people might have taken off As far as That's -- that's --
the Internet and sold or something like that. my family, no, sir. Q
I'm not -- I'm not into that.
Not your family or anyone on behalf of your
family to your knowledge? A No, sir, no one that we would give The people are doing it to do
authorization to, no, sir. it. Q A Q
How about Mr. Baez? I have no knowledge of that, none whatsoever. We've heard about the staying out at the Ritz Who was paying
back after they found your granddaughter. for that? A
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that felt compelled to help the family. something you'll have to ask them, sir.
That would be I knew nothing
of that, sir, until the date I was taken off the airport. My wife and I -- that five hour trip to LA back home, not having no communication at all, not knowing what's going on and to get whisked off that plane and getting taken to a location that we didn't even really realize until after we got there where we were at. Q And when you say taken off the plane and Page 71
GAnthony-rough.txt 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Ritz. A whisked, did they have a car waiting or something like that? A Oh, there were numerous -- numerous cars, To say how many cars, how many people,
numerous people.
honestly, I have no idea. Q A I guess so. Q Okay. Is that something someone had planned for us? But who did it all, I have no idea. All right. So when you landed, you didn't
know that was coming? A Q Did not. You didn't know anything about going to the That was a surprise? Did not. All I know is when the flight
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She said we're asking you to stay on the
plane until everyone has disembarked and that was it. Next thing I know I see law enforcement, TSA and I don't know who all else was there said you have to come with us and that was it. MR. MITNIK: I had a series of questions about
where Caylee's body was found and this time when Dominic Casey and who he was talking to on the telephone and who sent him out there and what the tip really was that are really critical to what we came here today and one of the main things I honestly wanted to ask you about, but do I understand correctly if I go into those things, you're not going to let him answer any of those? Page 72
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Casey was talking to on the phone? A Q I have no knowledge of the exact person, no. Have you heard who it may have been? From some source. All I knew I got I don't
mean off the media. A
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that, again, off the -- off TV. Q And did -- do you know -- tell me any sources
you have for hearing where he got his information to go out there. Who gave him the tip. Any source. I
understand you said you heard on TV about a psychic. Tell me any other source you heard. A That's the only besides I believe you had Jim That's the only --
Hoover here, if I'm not mistaken. that's it. Q source was? A with him. Q A Q A Q No, never did.
Did Dominic Casey ever tell you where his
I never had that conversation
He was working for you at the time? Yes. Did you ask him? No, sir, I did not. Why not? I mean, that sounds like the burning
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asked Dominic about that. Q A Were you curious about that, what the tip was? No, because I don't know anything about that
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until after we came back from LA. this stuff.
I knew nothing about
I think that's about between sometime in
November whenever that was filmed until we came back in December. I think that's about 30 days. I knew nothing
what was going on, nothing. Q So at no point have you asked Dominic Casey
where he got that tip? A No. I don't have a lot of conversation with I do not.
Dominic personally. Q time? A
How often were you talking to him back at that
Maybe once a week, twice a week, possibly, but
don't really have an exact number of times. Q Did you talk to him at all about him going out
there, not about -A Q that? A Q A No. I believe my son would not or did not. Did she? I -- I cannot. No, sir, I didn't. I never have.
Do you know if your son talked to him about
How about your wife?
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Dominic Casey went out to the woods where Caylee was ultimately found before she was discovered. understanding as well? A That's what I understand, yes, but I had no Is that your
knowledge of that until after we came back from LA which was like December 11 or something like that. Q And Dominic Casey had gone out into those
woods to your understanding weeks before; is that correct? A Just what I saw on TV, what's been released. I knew nothing about his I didn't know all that.
That's all I knew.
investigation day by day. Q
When he was working for you, he was not
required to give you a report or updates? MR. CONWAY: It's privileged. MR. MORGAN: that, then. MR. CONWAY: BY MR. MORGAN: Q And the day of -- the first day that Mr. Okay. That's how we need to answer I'm going to object to that.
Anthony or Mr -- Dominic Casey went to the woods, is it your understanding that he called Mr. Hoover to his office before they went out there? A That's a possibility, sir. I don't -- I don't
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Casey call you and say, we have received -- you or anyone in your family, call you and say we have received a tip? We have found the body? A No, sir. MR. CONWAY: That's privileged. A No. I'm going to object to that. Go ahead.
I mean, Dominic -- I never received a
phone call from Dominic or Jim Hoover about any of this stuff that was going on, never did. Q A And they were employed by you? Jim Hoover was not employed by us. That's one
specific thick we need to get correct.
He was brought on
as a security individual, not as a private investigator. He was assisting Mr. Casey in security matters around our home. Okay? He was not involved in the investigation at
all for my granddaughter. Q Who was paying Mr. Casey? MR. CONWAY: privilege. BY MR. MORGAN: Q Was Mr. Anthony paying Mr. Casey? MR. CONWAY: I'm going to object to that. Objection. Same thing,
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But the first
-- at any time by Cindy Anthony,
George Anthony, Lee Anthony, any Anthony in that home. MR. CONWAY: A You can answer that.
Dominic has been our private investigator, I
believe, since about November of last year, you know, give or take a week or so. Q And that means -- by "our," you mean your and
Cindy's investigator? A Uh-huh, yeah. MR. MITNIK: THE WITNESS: Q services? A Was I paying Mr. Casey, you mean? That's a "yes." That's a yes, yes.
And were you paying Mr. Anthony for his
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I'm sorry. We have an agreement set up
That's all right.
but then again, you know, no money's exchanged hands or anything like that. Q A Q pay -MR. CONWAY: It's privileged. Q Is the payment to Mr. Casey contingent on a I'm going to object to that. He --
He has not been paid by you all as of yet? No, sir. Now, on the day -- what is the arrangement to
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No, because I don't think there is any moneys
contingent on this particular case. MR. CONWAY: Just answer the question and let
them ask the next question. A Q No, no. Contingent on any third-party bringing money
to the family? A No. Mr. Casey was employed by us just to
bring our granddaughter home. Q A How did you find Mr. Casey? Through -- met him through José Baez at José's
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office one day.
That's going back months.
Specific
dates, I have no idea what the date was. Q A Did José Baez hire Mr. Casey was well? That's something you'd have to ask him. I
have no idea. Q Mr. Baez? A Q A Q You'll have to ask them, sir. Your answer is I don't know? No, I don't know. And how often -- when was the first time that I have no idea. Has money ever exchanged between Mr. Casey and
you were introduced to Mr. Casey? A specific. sure. Oh, God. That's going back months. I'm not
It could -- I don't know.
I'm not really
It was one time last year after this stuff
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and that was -- that was it. Q
And then you -- and then you hired him as a
result of that meeting? A it's -Q Dominic came and asked you to hire him? Dominic came to us and wanted to assist us, so
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just had met Dominic through José and I just know he was -- he was there wanting to find our granddaughter and put forth the effort to look for her. Q A Q Did you sign a retainer with him? I didn't sign a retainer with him, no. So everyone is verbal between you and him as
far as payments go, not to get into specific payments, but just as far as payments go? A Q Yes. So the day he first searched the woods with
Mr. Hoover, that morning he never called you and said -he never called you and anyone else in your household and said I have received a tip. A I know where the body is?
No, sir, never received a phone call or
anything like that from him. Q And you never knew about this search until the
day you -- or the day after you returned from California? A Yes. Like I said, it was almost a month
period from the time that I saw -- again, I saw it on TV of when he was in that particular area. Q Had you ever in your home done any work around Page 79
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done all myself. Q Where do you do -- where do these pavers --
are these pavers that you put in the pool? A They're than the north side of my pool, just
to walk around the pool. Q A Where did you buy these pavers? I bought these, O, my gosh, whoever had the
best deal, Home Depot, Lowes, something like that. Q A Q A all. Q All the pavers you bought from Loews or Home And you still have the pavers in your garage? No, sir. I have no pavers in my garage.
They're all gone? I never had any pavers inside my garage at
Depot you used -A right up. Q A color. Q Did you understand -- did you subsequently Oh, yes, as soon I bought them and put them They've been there for years. -- at your house? And what color were they?
They were like a pinkish color, like that
understand after you turned from California that the person who gave Dominic Casey the tip told him to go into the woods and that he would find pavers that would lead
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since my granddaughter's been missing. Q So the pavers that Mr. Casey found down there
you've never looked at? A No, sir. I haven't been down there at all. I
can't go down there. Q I understand. Mr. Casey received this tip, Have you ever had a
and you've heard about that.
conversation with Mr. Casey about that tip? A Q A No, sir, never discussed it with him at all. Even after the fact? Not even after the fact. I haven't discussed
it with him. Q So as we sit here today, you -- I'm about I apologize. I want
ready to ask this question twice. to make sure we button it down.
You have never had a
conversation with him about who made that phone call that made him get Mr. Hoover up out of bed and meet at his office at 8:00 that morning? A Never -- never did. Never had a conversation
with Dominic or Jim Hoover about that, never. Q And you probably have heard that Mr. Hoover
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deposition you had with Mr. Hoover that was released in the media. Q Have you ever spoken to your son about that Page 81
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you ever had a conversation with your son about that tip and was he the person that made that tip? A I've never had the conversation about my son
about -- about that -- him making that tip or being that specific to it, no, I never have. Q So have you ever seen the videotape that Mr.
Hoover took of Mr. Casey searching the woods? A Q A Q Only one time. When was that, sir? When it first was released. And how many times do you understand that Mr.
Casey actually went into those woods searching? A Q I only know of just the one occasion. So if he went there a second time, that would
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Would be total news to me. Do you know of any other place that Mr. Casey
ever went himself searching other than the woods -- I hate to even say -- where they found your granddaughter? A I have no knowledge of any other place he I have no knowledge of that.
might have went to. Q
So to your knowledge, the only place that you
know that Mr. Casey ever went searching was the woods where your granddaughter's body was ultimately found? A Q That's the only one that I know of, yes. And as your private investigator, what Page 82
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information specifically related to the investigation, so privileged. Q Was he giving you information -- was he
reporting to you on a daily basis? A him, no. Q In the whole time that Mr. Casey was working No, sir, no. I didn't have daily contact with
for you, did he ever report to you about his search for Zenaida Gonzalez? A Not specifically, no, not on a daily basis or I think every once in a great while
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we would probably talk about maybe -MR. CONWAY: George, just answer yes or no and
if they want to follow up, they can follow up. A Not really, no. MR. MORGAN: MR. CONWAY: Brad, with due respect -Go question and question and he
can answer yes or no and then follow up with whatever you want. MR. MORGAN: You told him several times and I
think he understands. MR. CONWAY: MR. MORGAN: I'm going to keep telling him. Telling and answering is two
different things, but -BY MR. MORGAN: Q Did you ever have a conversation with Dominic
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getting into the privilege, what was it your understanding that he was doing all day long, Dominic
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We never had really a set agenda, stuff that I know besides
he really specifically did for us.
working for us, I'm sure there were other clients he was working with also. with him. Q I mean, I never had daily contact
I never -- I never did from day one. Do you find it odd that as your private
investigator for your family that he only received one tip the whole time he was investigating; he went to the woods, we now know more than once, twice, I'll tell you that; and that is where your granddaughter's body was ultimately found and he never told you that? A Q A He never -- he never told me that. What explanation do you have for that? Lack of communication, I guess, maybe on his Maybe not wanting to find out a little
part and my part. bit more possibly. Q
Now, you said it's your understanding that the
tip came to him from a psychic? A That's what I understood, but then again, I
got that off the -- off the news, off the media. Q And what media did you hear that from? Page 84
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I mean, just flipping different channels. Q But you heard Dominic Casey say that on TV? No. As a matter of fact, I just happened to
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see the particular tape and whoever -- whatever channel I was watching that particular time is the one that said that. Q A And where did they get that information from? That's a great question. I don't know. I
can't -- I can't answer that. Q So let's talk about two different things. A
cycle may have called Dominic Casey, said go to the woods, there will be pavers that will lead you to the body. A Q That's one story, correct? From what I understand, yes. The only other possibility would have been,
then, that the tip did not come from a psychic, but, in fact, came from a person who had placed the body in the woods or had been told by the person that placed the body in the woods? A Q That's a probable yes. That's a yes. Now, in retrospect, the fact
that Dominic Casey went to those woods twice, and that fact that that's the only place that he ever went to, do you find it coincidental or alarming that that's where, in fact, your granddaughter's body was ultimately found? MR. CONWAY: Mr. Morgan, your question assumes
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You don't know? MR. CONWAY: He said he doesn't know.
Honestly, I -I'm asking hypothetically. I'm asking as a
hypothetical. A As far as what Dominic did on a daily basis I didn't have daily contact
for us, I really don't know. with him. Q
Mr. Hoover testified to his knowledge Mr.
Casey never searched any other place other than these woods, so I guess my question is a hypothetical. A Q Right. And a hypothetical is this. Do you find it
coincidental or alarming that the only place that Mr. Casey searched, according to Mr. Hoover, were these woods, and that these woods in a very close proximity to these pavers is where -MR. CONWAY: Don't answer that question. It
assumes -- assumes, assumes. question. Q
He can't answer that
What I'm getting at is this so I can explain
it in the nicest way possible, and going back to what If somebody was trying to
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GAnthony-rough.txt So the person who gave this man this tip is very critical and so that's what I'm trying to focus on because it's either a psychic who saw in her own mind these pavers in these woods or it's a third-party who is involved in the coverup, the development of an alibi, and the obstruction of justice. MR. CONWAY: Okay. If you can just make your
question clear in terms of -- and make it a question he can answer, he'll answer it. MR. MORGAN: BY MR. MORGAN: Q The question would be with all that said do Okay.
you have any information in the regard of everything that I've just said to you that the third person that called Mr. Casey was not a psychic, but, in fact, could have been a person developing an alibi, developing a coverup, and being a participant in the obstruction of justice? MR. CONWAY: Do you understand the question? I guess, again,
I understand the question.
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I can't answer for Jim Hoover or who I have
Dominic might have been talking to on the phone. no idea who he was speaking to. knowledge. I don't have that
Like I said, I never talked to Dominic about what that date that he was in the particular woods or how many times he was there. information. Q I don't have any of that
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would not have called the police the morning that he was going out to the exact spot where your granddaughter was ultimately found? A I have -- I have no answer for that. I mean,
I have no -- I can't answer for Dominic. for him. Q I appreciate that.
I cannot answer
Do you have any
explanation for why Mr. Casey went out the second time to the exact place and followed those pavers, that exact path a second time, he did not call the police? A I -- like I said, I cannot answer for Dominic.
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And do you have any explanation why he never
shared with you the video that Mr. Hoover had taken of him going into these woods? A No. I have no answer for that either.
Honestly, I don't. Q Do you believe now that Dominic Casey is
involved in the coverup, the creating of an alibi and the obstruction of justice into this case involving your granddaughter? A No. Dominic's not covering anything up.
Dominic had no reason to except to do the right thing. Dominic's always done the right thing with us as far as -- as far as I'm concerned. Q And then so we circle back to maybe to ask you Page 88
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department, FBI, whatever would have to go through phone records and see exactly who he was speaking to. no idea who he was speaking to. Q I have no idea. I have
And if it was not the psychic, the tip then
came from the person who knew that the body was in those woods? MR. CONWAY: Mr. Morgan, he answered your
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question. Q A Two minutes. Answer your question, yeah, it would have to
be something 245 the their I have's department would have to investigated further something like that. I -- I
can't answer for what Dominic was doing or who he was speaking to and who was on the phone. sir. I have no idea. I have no idea,
I found out about it basically
like everyone else did on the news. MR. MORGAN: MR. DILL: the tape. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: 12:36. Go off the record. Time is We're going to change tape. I think we're inside a minute on
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talked about -- the question was, referring to your wife, she was almost more of a mother figure than Casey, and you said yes. taking Caylee. And they talked about at birth your wife And then the question was was it
harboring -- did she harbor ill feelings, and you said, yeah, there's been some toughness right there, yeah. Yeah, she's thrown that in my wife's face a few times, to be honest. She has. And she says, you a -- 24 is in
quotes, seems like Caylee goes to you guys more than she does to me, end quote. And then you said well, it's
not -- to her, it's not that we're trying to take her away from her. Was that -- was that an issue that you-all had some tough times over and harbored some ill will that Caylee seemed to go to you guys more than her and your wife was like a mother figure? A I don't think there's actually any ill will.
My gosh, we're with that little girl every day when she woke up and went to bed at night. gosh. I mean, it's -- my
I was the -- I was the guy she saw every day, you I mean, my gosh. My wife was there
know, in her life.
and -- my wife's a good mother. grandmother. Q Geeze oh guy --
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harboring ill feelings, and you said, yeah, there's been some toughness right there. Yeah, she's thrown that in
my wife's face a few times, to be honest, and said seems like Caylee goes to you guys more than she does. And when I hear you saying throws it in my wife's face, some toughness the question under those circumstances, was that an issue where there was some -some conflict over that subject? A No. I think just in the -- maybe something
might have happened in the daily aspect of all living together and maybe something happened just to trigger something for some words being possibly said, but -Q A Q But those were your -- I'm reading that -Oh, absolutely, yeah. -- yeah there were some tough times and yeah,
she through that in my wife's face, that seems like Caylee goes to you guys more than she does me and you responded we're not trying to take her away? A much. Yeah, I think just because we're around her so I mean, my gosh, to say we're loving grandparents, To watch that girl It's good
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their own, no. Q A
There is no truth to that? No. I mean, granted on any household,
especially our household or anyone, husbands, wives, daughters, fathers, sons, father, mothers, you have some altercations every once in a while, verbally. of life, but as far as physical confrontation. Q A Q A My question is physical -No, physical --- between your wife and your daughter? No, never, no. MR. MORGAN: I don't think we have anything It's part
else other than that we'll go back to the judge for some of the privileged. MR. MITNIK: Other than the stuff that was We're
privileged, we'll suspend the deposition.
done with those questions, and I appreciate that everything calmed down and we got through this latter part and I sincerely, whether you believe it I feel we
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can agree to disagree, but I feel I have a job to do. You probably view my job different than I do it, but I mean to cause you no more pain than you already have to live with every day. That was not
my intent and I'm sorry to have to do it. THE WITNESS: Like I said, I want to go over
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That's not fair to all the people It's not
that have gotten involved in this thing. fair. It's not right. MR. MORGAN:
You want to explain -- I guess he
doesn't need to read or waive yet. MR. CONWAY: MR. MITNIK: We'll read. Regardless, he'll read. Time is 12:42 p.m. Off the
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