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                     WEDNESDAY, 26 OCTOBER 2005

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                    PROCEEDINGS AT JOINT SITTING

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Members of the National Assembly and the National Council of

Provinces assembled in the Chamber of the National Assembly at

14:08.



The Speaker of the National Assembly took the Chair and requested

members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.



 WELCOMING ADDRESS TO THE PRESIDENT OF BOTSWANA, HIS EXCELLENCY MR

                            FESTUS MOGAE



The SPEAKER: Hon members, Mr President, we are honoured to have

amongst us today His Excellency President Mr F G Mogae of the

Republic of Botswana, who has been invited to address this Joint

Sitting of Parliament on the occasion of his visit to South Africa.



May I now take this opportunity to welcome you to Parliament, Mr

President. I now call upon hon Pandor to introduce His Excellency

the President of the Republic of Botswana.
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TONA YA THUTO: Mme Sebui, Molaodi Mogae Tautona ya Botswana, re a go

amogela. Ke batla go simolola ka go go leboga le go leboga Batswana

botlhe ka se le se diretseng Aforika le batho ba Aforika.



Botswana e ntse e ipusa dingwaga di le 39. Ka tshimololo ya boipuso,

ba bantsi ba ne ba sa tshepe gore Botswana e tla tswelela pele. Ba

ne ba tshega batswana. Ba ne ba bona batho ba ba humileng ba sa bone

khumo le sethuba sa tswelelopele. Le ithusitse Aforika ka go aga

khumo ya Botswana; ka go aga batswana le ka go tshwara thipa e e

bogale go netefatsa puso ka batho. Re a le leboga. Re a le tlotla ka

tiro ya lona e e bonatla. [Legofi.] (Translation of Setswana

paragraphs follows.)



[The MINISTER OF EDUCATION: Madam Speaker, His Excellency Mr Mogae,

the President of Botswana, you are welcome. Firstly, I would like to

thank you personally, and all the Batswana, for what you have done

for Africa and the African people.



Botswana has been independent for 39 years. At the beginning of

independence, the majority did not believe that Botswana would

succeed. They laughed at the Batswana. They were seen as a “reach”

nation, one that does not realise its potential and prosper. You

helped Africa by building the wealth of Botswana, by uniting the

Batswana and by, furthermore, working hard to ensure government by

the people. We thank you for your diligent work. [Applause.]]
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My task this afternoon, Madam Speaker, is to introduce to you and

the House a man and his country in a few short minutes. It’s not an

easy task. Or rather, I should say that the introduction of the

country is probably easier than the introduction of the man.



By international acclaim, Botswana is one of Africa’s success

stories. A leading news corporation describes Botswana simply as

Africa’s longest continuous multiparty democracy. [Applause.] It is

amongst the continent’s most stable countries. It is free of

corruption and it has a good human rights record. [Applause.]



The man, President Mogae, is somewhat harder to define. I first met

the President a long time ago when he was studying in England. Later

we met when I was a student in Botswana. He was a top civil servant

then, and his wife, Mrs Barbara Mogae, was a senior official in the

Ministry of Finance and Development Planning. His lovely wife then

became a colleague and close friend to my grandmother, Mrs Matthews,

when they worked together at the National Library of Botswana.



President Mogae has an outstanding academic record. He graduated

from Oxford in the early postindependence period. He also studied

Development Economics as a postgraduate student at Sussex

University. I couldn’t establish, Mr President, whether the two of

you were together. [Laughter.]
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On his return to Botswana, he became Director of Economic Affairs.

In 1975 he moved up to become Permanent Secretary to the Ministry of

Finance and Development Planning, and then became Governor of the

Bank of Botswana. He is one of a team of development economists in

Botswana – I believe they were four or five – who put paid to the

derision that accompanied Botswana’s achievement of independence. He

and the team that he was part of shaped the economic development of

Botswana before the diamond discoveries in Orapa and later in

Jwaneng. At that time all that Botswana seemed to have had, as an

economic prospect, was the copper in Selibe Pikwe. President Mogae

is thus very closely associated with Botswana’s economic success.



He moved on from economic matters in 1982, when he was promoted to

the top post of the civil service – Secretary to the Cabinet and

Permanent Secretary to the then President Masire. In 1989, Mr Mogae

was appointed to the Cabinet as the Minister of Finance and

Development Planning. In 1992, the task of Vice-President was added

to his many achievements. In early 1998, Vice-President Mogae

succeeded to the Presidency, when President Masire retired. Facing

an election in less than two years, President Mogae demonstrated his

political acumen by leading his party to an increase in both the

popular vote and the number of seats in parliament.



It is my great honour to have been given this opportunity to

introduce His Excellency Tautona Mogae – economist, politician and
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statesman; a man who has played a leading role in the economic

transformation of one of Africa’s success stories.



Ke le Moaforika ke re, le re file seriti Ntate. [As an African, I

want to say: You gave us dignity.]



I now leave it to you, Madam Speaker, to invite the President of

Botswana to address us. Thank you. [Applause.]



The SPEAKER: Your Excellency President of the Republic of Botswana,

we now call upon you to address the joint sitting of the national

Parliament of the Republic of South Africa.



                  ADDRESS BY PRESIDENT FESTUS MOGAE



The PRESIDENT OF BOTSWANA: Hon Speaker of the National Assembly, Ms

Baleka Mbete; Your Excellency, President Thabo Mbeki; hon

Chairperson of the National Council of Provinces, Mr Mninwa Johannes

Mahlangu; Your Honour the Deputy President, Mrs Phumzile Mlambo-

Ngcuka; hon leaders of political parties and hon members of

Parliament; hon Ministers and Deputy Ministers; Premiers and leaders

of the South African Local Government Authority; Your Excellencies;

distinguished guests; ladies and gentlemen, it is an honour and a

privilege for me to have been invited to address this august House.

I consider the invitation not only an honour to my person but also

to the entire government and people of Botswana.
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My presence here this afternoon is a clear demonstration of the

excellent relations that Botswana and South Africa enjoy. As I

indicated last night, the Batswana and South Africans are like

members of a family divided by a fence. Indeed our countries and

peoples have a common history, share cultural values as well as

languages.



Moreover, our relations are underpinned by our mutual commitment to

democracy, good governance and respect for the rule of law. And

thanks to these convergences of values, our relations have continued

to grow.



History is replete with examples of victory over seemingly

insurmountable odds in the quest for freedom. You, the people of

South Africa, bear testimony and testament to this fundamental

truth. You have prevailed over the forces of oppression, suppression

and repression and ushered in a new era of political and social and

economic growth.



Today, as a result of this new political dispensation, it is

possible for my humble self to address this honourable House, which

has become a bastion of popular sovereignty, reflecting the

aspirations of all the peoples of this great country, without being

Prime Minister of Britain or without being called a McMillan.

[Applause.]
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We in Botswana are pleased to have played our own modest part in the

realisation of this transformation. Today we look back with pride,

rather than whisper about such events as the holding of the first

conference of the ANC in exile in Lobatse in 1962. [Applause.] We

are also pleased that during the long decades of struggle we were

able to provide a safe haven and transit for so many at risk because

of having chosen the path of resistance. [Applause.]



Botswana’s commitment to the liberation of your country was more

than a moral imperative. The Batswana were fully aware that as long

as South Africa was in turmoil, prospects for enduring peace and

tranquillity in their own country and its immediate neighbours would

be illusive. [Applause.] Just as our freedom was indivisible, so too

should be our future prosperity. [Applause.]



Given Botswana’s geographical location, the smallness of its

population, the level of its development and its narrow economic

base, as well as historical, cultural and linguistic links, events

in South Africa could never be a matter of indifference to it.



Statistics show that Botswana depends on South Africa for an array

of goods and services, including motor vehicles, furniture,

clothing, drugs, medical equipment and financial services. In fact,

I can mention it, we obtain it from South Africa. [Applause.]
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Overall trade figures indicate that in 2004 alone, Botswana exported

goods worth R2 billion to South Africa, while our imports from South

Africa stood at R17 billion, reflecting a heavily skewed trade

surplus in your favour. [Laughter.] [Applause.] This, incidentally,

also makes Botswana South Africa’s largest trading partner on the

African continent. [Applause.]



In the area of education we are truly grateful for your hosting of

over 6 600 of our students in your universities and technical

colleges. The government of Botswana spends over half a billion rand

per annum on these Batswana students studying at tertiary

institutions in this country.



A significant number of South African-registered companies benefit

from lucrative contracts in Botswana. This year alone, these

companies have won contracts in excess of R1,2 billion for providing

services to the Botswana government. This is a clear demonstration

of how interlinked our economies are.



We should do all we can to promote a healthier balance in our

bilateral co-operation. In this way the opportunities that we

generate individually and collectively can be used for the common

good of our peoples and countries.



Let us work together to strengthen co-operation in our rail

transport, for instance, as an important engine for the economic
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development of our two countries. In this regard it is imperative

that co-operation and complementarity between the railway

organisations of our two countries should be nurtured and encouraged

to optimise their capacity and sustainability.



South Africa needs economically prosperous and politically stable

neighbours with which it can trade. Our region cannot fully prosper

on the basis of growth and prosperity by some, and stagnation by

others.



I openly admit that even though our present relationship is mutually

beneficial and, in quantitative terms, South Africa benefits hugely,

in the final analysis we need you more, much more than you need us.

I want to repeat that statement. [Laughter.] In the final analysis

we need you more, much more than you need us. [Applause.]



Consequently, I have come to your country to ask you, the people of

South Africa, through your government, to facilitate and be

supportive of our development efforts. I have made specific requests

to your government. Firstly, I would like you to participate with us

in the construction of an in situ thermal power station, whose

output would be sold to Eskom to augment the regional power pool.



Instead of building rival power stations, which you have the

capacity to do, you can easily expand the exports of your high-
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quality coking coal to Japan and India, both of which countries need

it badly.



As we all know, over 80% of any income generated by Botswana would

be spent on South African goods and services. So, if we did as I

suggest, we would all end up, in the jargon of economics, “on a

higher indifference camp”, thereby gravitating towards Pareto

optimality. [Applause.]



I have made many requests, but I will only mention the most

important ones. My second major request is for you to permit your

diamonds to be aggregated by the Diamond Trading Corporation in

Gaborone instead of London. [Applause.]



I will be making the same request to the Namibians, in particular,

and others in the SADC region. It will still be possible, under such

an arrangement, to facilitate the supply of rough diamonds for the

cutting and polishing enterprises inside the Republic of South

Africa. [Applause.]



My foreign affairs experts have cautioned me that it may be

diplomatically impolitic to mention these issues in this honourable

House. [Laughter.] I do so, however, because not only are they of

great importance to us, but also, and perhaps above all, because if

the government were to accede to my requests, in this vibrant
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democracy, they would need the consent and support of this

honourable House.



In any case, in Setswana we say: Ngwana yo o sa leleng o swela

tharing . . . [Applause.] . . . literally meaning that the child who

doesn’t cry risks dying on its mother’s back unnoticed.



I must hasten to add that we have recorded substantial progress in

strengthening our bilateral co-operation through our Joint Permanent

Commission for Co-operation and the Joint Permanent Commission on

Defence and Security.



These instruments have served as valuable vehicles in identifying

new areas of co-operation and bringing more focus and co-ordination

with regard to the implementation of the commitments that we have

made.



Yesterday our two countries signed a number of sector-specific

agreements, which will provide impetus to our concerted efforts in

tackling the challenges that confront us. Poverty alleviation,

employment creation, communicable diseases, in particular the HIV

and Aids pandemic, as well as natural disasters, remain our major

preoccupations. We should redouble our efforts to reign in the

scourge of HIV/Aids through, among other things, the mobilisation of

the requisite resources to facilitate the implementation of the SADC

Strategic Framework on HIV and Aids and the Maseru Declaration.
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Regarding international relations, we commend, and have done so in

international meetings abroad and on various other occasions, this

country’s leadership in peace making on the rest of the continent.

[Applause.] We are happy that the torch that was once carried by

Zambia and Tanzania is being blazoned from the very southern tip of

our continent. And we, like the moon, are shining by reflected

light. [Applause.]



Let me, therefore, make special and specific mention of South

Africa’s role in seeking peaceful solutions to the conflicts in

Burundi, Côte d’Ivoire, the Sudan, the Comoros and the Democratic

Republic of Congo, among many.



I also wish to acknowledge with pride the personal commitment and

statesmanship of my brother and colleague, President Thabo Mbeki, in

trying to solve these conflicts. [Applause]. I am tempted to

mention, irrelevantly, that both the President and I are alumnae of

Sussex. Although he is younger than me, he was actually ahead of me.

[Laughter.] But that’s not surprising, so was Clinton. [Laughter.]

However, Clinton at Oxford University was my junior in both age and

class.



While we support the original African position on the reform of the

Security Council, it is our considered opinion that the all-or-
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nothing approach that we have currently taken as Africans is

inappropriate in the circumstances.



We, as a small country, are perhaps more reconciled, much more

accustomed than others, to being satisfied with half a loaf until

the next time. [Laughter.] Consequently, we would have liked to see

those of our member countries such as South Africa and others, with

the capacity to do so, become permanent members of the Security

Council, even without the veto . . . [Applause.] . . . while not

abandoning the demand for parity with the present permanent members.

Some may consider our position somewhat capitulationist, but we

consider it realistic and pragmatic.



Let me not waste the time of this honourable House. In conclusion,

let me reiterate my gratitude for the singular honour you have

bestowed on my country and me, and for the opportunity you have

afforded me to address you in this majestic House, in this Mother

City of your great country. I thank you. [Applause.]



                           VOTE OF THANKS



Rev P MOATSHE: Hon Speaker of the National Assembly; Your Excellency

the President of the Republic of South Africa, hon Thabo Mbeki; Your

Excellency the President of the Republic of Botswana, hon Festus

Masire . . . [Laughter.] . . . hon Festus Mogae; the Deputy

President of the Republic; hon Chairperson of the NCOP, hon M J
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Mahlangu, the giant has spoken - a political giant on the African

continent. What do I have to say? We are deeply moved to have

listened to this moving, inspiring talk brought to us from our

neighbours.



South Africa and Botswana have many things in common. There are

Batswana in both countries, hence the language Setswana is spoken in

both countries; they are both members of the Southern African

Customs Union and Southern African Development Community.



History has it that the first civilisation occurred in Mapungubje,

which straddled the confluence of South Africa, Botswana and

Zimbabwe. The launching of the Mapungubje National Park on 24

September 2004 in Limpopo contributed immensely to the formation of

a major transfrontier conservation area, the Kgalagadi Park, which

includes Botswana, South Africa and Zimbabwe.



Botswana has been traditionally a strong economic partner of South

Africa, as already said. The foundation for this relationship dates

back to the establishment of the Southern African Customs Union,

Sacu, in 1910. Relations have strengthened between the two countries

since South Africa’s first democratic elections in 1994, and the

signing of the agreement on the Joint Permanent Commission for Co-

operation in 2003 strengthened relations even further.
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The Botswana-South Africa Joint Permanent Commission on Defence and

Security was established in the year 2000, as already mentioned.



We have been told that six further agreements were signed yesterday,

25 October 2005, between our countries here in Cape Town. We hope

that there will be many more of this kind.



It is not by mistake that Botswana was “placed over the fence”. The

architectural structure that was brought about by the Most High has

placed Botswana strategically “over the fence” - strategically in

the sense that when we were going through difficult times, Botswana

was ready to receive those who were fleeing from the burning fires

in South Africa. Therefore, Botswana is strategically placed there

for us to know that Botswana has paid allegiance to the Most High,

Botswana has paid allegiance to the truth that sets us free, and

Botswana has set its own pace in the African challenges. Botswana

refused to worship the idols of colonialism; it refused to worship

the idols of oppression, and therefore it complied with the struggle

for freedom.



Many citizens of Botswana, some very innocent, suffered because of

the sons of South Africa who had to stay in Botswana during those

times of upheaval. And therefore we thank the President of Botswana

for reassuring this House and the South African people that there is

still a long way to go and that we need one another more than ever
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before. To break down is unlike building and therefore the

challenges are there for us.



Ka baka leo, Mmusakgotla, tau e senang seboka e siiwa ke none e

tlhotsa. [Legofi.] Tshwaragano ke matla. [Eendrag maak mag. For that

reason, Speaker, united we stand, divided we fall. Unity is

strength.]



Therefore, we echo the sentiments of the unity that our President is

echoing for Africa: United we stand, divided we fall.



Matlhaku go ša mabapi. Mabogo dinku a thebana. Tota, sedikwa ke ntša

pedi ga se thata. Montsamaisa bosigo ke mo leboga bosele. Re a go

leboga. [Legofi.] [No man is an island. Hands wash each other.

United we stand, divided we fall. Those who assist during dark days

are thanked during happier days. We thank you. [Applause.]]



The SPEAKER: Hon members, for the benefit of our visitors, that was

our hon Rev Moatshe. [Applause.]



The Joint Sitting rose at 14:43.

				
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