FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 1 Mars Museum Visualization Alliance Telecon March 8, 2005 2:30 p.m. CST Overview 1. Some discussion of best timing for museum educator workshop 2. Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter launches August 10, 2005. Mars orbit insertion will occur in March 2006. Then it aerobrakes to get into its mapping orbit, and begins science operations in November 2006. After that it will also be part of the telecommunications relay from Mars. http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/mission/tl.html 3. Some video clips for MRO are already online at mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mro 4. Prime Earth-based viewing for Mars: April 2005 through February 2006. The Moon will occult Mars twice during this period. 5. What public engagement payloads might the museum community envision for future Mars missions? 6. Let us know if you would like to try to host a Mars event; we will try to help. Coordinator At this time, I would like to inform all participants that today's call is being recorded. If you do have any objections, you may disconnect. Ma'am, you may begin. Anita Good afternoon all. We‟ve changed the time so that folks in time zones from Maine to Hawaii can participate, and also so that Michelle Viotti can join us more often. She actually funded all the Mars Visualization Alliance activities and it was her brainchild in good part. So, we wanted to get a start today on talking about the upcoming next launch. We have 26-month windows for launching to Mars. The next one is coming up in August with a really, really huge step in technology with the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. So we wanted to start preparing you guys for that and talk about what we might do in conjunction with that. Michelle, do you remember when MRO gets to Mars? Michelle March 2006. Then it aerobrakes to get into its mapping orbit, and begins science operations in November 2006. After that it will also be part of the telecommunications relay from Mars. http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/mission/tl.html Anita Steve, you're actually on the science team, right? FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 2 Steve (Lee) Yes, on MARCI [Mars Color Imager, http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/mro/mission/sc_instru_marci.html]. W And then Phoenix launches in '07, like May or June, isn't it? Doug Hello. This is Doug Lombardi. It launches in the end of May 2007. Anita Doug is EPO lead for the Phoenix mission, but he‟s in Tucson. Go figure. Anita We've been talking a little bit about having an educator‟s conference at the launch. We've also been talking about having a museum alliance get-together some time, perhaps, at launch. So I wanted to kick that around with folks a little bit. Is early August a good time for museum folks in general to travel, especially if we can provide some partial travel support? Steve It helps. Anita How about you guys at the colleges? Dave or Alan The funding isn't really very available for those sorts of things up here. Anita We were thinking we will try to have some kind of travel stipend; it wouldn't cover it all but could cover some of it. M I would definitely try to dig around and see if I could get support that far out. As far as the time of the year ago, August is—well, it‟s actually usually kind of precious vacation time. I think several of the things that we do in a planetarium community tend to happen in September or October to get the year kicked off, the school year kicked off. Even though it does, for some people, conflict with full class time, everybody is in operation mode. Anita So October is when you do a lot of the conferences and stuff? Ken [Brandt] Yes. The Great Lakes Planetarium Association is always in October, for example. They've been doing some special astronomy research programs out in Chicago in September, a month before the GLPA conference. They've been kind of coordinating those two things, having a second meeting of the participants from the September workshop at the beginning of the GLPA conference, for example. I'd be in favor of that time of year. Anita Okay. Would it be reasonable to try to do something at one of the conferences rather than something separate, like add a day on or something to a conference? FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 3 Ken Yes. I think that's reasonable. Pat [Reiff] Actually, it‟s the day before. Usually the day before is the better time to do those sorts of things. So they typically end on a Sunday or Saturday. Ken The only problem I see, kind of in North Carolina is that not all of us can go, with WAC and others in September or October. Early August, you were asking us early August, early August works great for us. But that's just one man‟s opinion. That's very reasonable. Anita We've tried to have a presence at the conferences. I haven't gone to GLPA myself yet or to SEPA or to MAPS. I usually get to go to Western Alliance. Now, there's a thought, Western Alliance is in Denver, right, Steve? Steve I believe so. Unfortunately, it‟s the same week as the DPS [Division for Planetary Sciences] meeting in Cambridge [England]. Anita Oh, well, who can afford to go to Cambridge? So that would let out a few people, but Denver might be kind of a central meeting place for folks. Michelle, do you have any thoughts on any of these? Michelle No. I'm just listening to this part and ready to talk when you're ready for me. Anita I‟ll let you go ahead and talk. One thing I did want to ask for those of you who would have to look for some travel support, how far in advance do you have to start looking for that travel support? Dave Usually a few months. Anita Okay. So not six months or not a year? Dave No. Not usually. Anita So three months in advance? Dave Yes. Six months is pretty good. There are funding opportunities that are yearly cycles, so it might be a lucky year and being able to plan more. Actually, maybe not from myself but for others, if you did know that far ahead of time. For me, three months is usually adequate. Anita Okay. That will help us in trying to plan something that more people can participate in. Michelle, you're on. FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 4 Michelle The first thing I want to put out there is that MRO is scheduled to launch August 10th. As typical, the day before, on the 9th, there will be two press briefings, which will be on NASA TV as usual, as well. But it may be an opportunity in that time frame. In the past, we have sometimes scheduled distance learning type things with some of the museums who are interested in that kind of outlet. But certainly, there will be a lot of activity on the 9th and the 10th from NASA TV‟s perspective. Also, out of headquarters, L-30, launch minus 30 days, I didn't do the math, but it should be July 21st or so and I'll get a firm date on that for you guys. There will be the pre-launch briefing, as well, with a lot of mission details. We are also currently working on one of our famous PowerPoints that give the mission description and some cool images, that sort of thing. That will be available to you. We'll probably do another joint training session still to be scheduled with this Alliance and with the Solar System Ambassadors in the next few months. So, input on when would be a good time for that kind of material would be great. In terms of video products, and I'm looking for the list here, there were quite a few. [Project Manager] Jim Graf has commissioned various pieces in high-def that show various stages of the mission. We are also getting a lot of documentary footage. We have two seats, for instance, on a plane that's delivering the spacecraft to the Cape, which should be in April. So, through our normal channels of distribution, we will get you guys the raw footage of all of this plus any produced pieces that we do. Anita When you say you have two seats on the plane? Michelle Yes. HD camera seats. John [Beck] and Scott [Hulme]. Anita Okay. People. Michelle Yes. So, we're basically doing the behind the scenes kind of views. We have special access this time on this mission, because Lockheed is pretty much in charge of that or at least have enough access that they can get us in, in ways that we haven't been in the past. We should have a lot of great close-ups, in and around that time period that—and either we're going to have to figure out how we can get it out to folks in real time, if people are interested in having launch-related events at their institutions, quick turnaround sorts of time. We will also schedule access, obviously, to some of the scientists and engineers that can set up special telecon times in and around those dates or in relationship to things that you may be thinking. First of all, let me stop there and ask if there are any questions? Steve Since they're doing this - the high-def filming ahead of time, do you know if they'll be FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 5 doing high-def filming of the launch itself? Michelle Yes. And even potentially 3D, for those with really sophisticated systems. Eric deJong should be doing that. Anita Will there be a rocket cam? Michelle That I do not know. I haven't heard anything about that, but I will check into that, how‟s that? Anita What's the rocket again? Michelle It's an Atlas 5. It's a big guy. Anita So it would be worth having the rocket cam. Michelle Yes. But I don't know if anyone has sprung for that. But I can check on that. The other thing I wanted to actually ask you all as a community, what you'd be interested in above and beyond the kinds of things that I just talked about. Any needs, desires? M You might have mentioned this but are there visualizations, like orbit insertion, aerobraking, deployment of everything, that are being provided? Michelle Yes. I need to check on what the schedule is. I know that there are some products that are already produced. Then, like I said, there are a bunch in development that Eric deJong is creating, as well. So we can probably give those to you in pieces, and then, send the whole set also, as sort of a final product but at least you'll have it as it comes. I‟ll have to look into it with Eric on what delivery mechanisms are good for that and I know Anita has a lot of your preferences already outlined, so we will definitely follow up on that and give you a better sense also on when those are due. I don't have Eric‟s schedule but there's sort of a list of, I think about 17 or so animations and it's a priority list, so he does them as time permits. I should say, too, that the Web site is mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mro for those of you who are interested in looking at some of the material there already—I think there are a couple of video clips up there plus all of the mission information. We're also looking, and this isn't for the immediate time frame but we're looking out to the future data, March 2006 timeframe when, of course, all of these great pictures are going to be coming back. Ray Arvidson, one of the scientists on the mission, has a lot of ideas about—as he called it once, a thousand and one nights of virtual landing, because the HiRISE camera is going to be so great. FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 6 In essence, it's going to be like a virtual landing and that we‟ll be able to see the surface up close and personal, and there may be opportunities for events happening around the return of these images. Certainly, if people had ideas about how they might use that or what they would like from us to help our programming, that‟s great. Also, HiRISE is called the people‟s camera, and there will be opportunities for the public to target and that might be of interest to Alliance members if your institutions wanted to do something related to that. Anita How‟s that opportunity going to be made available to the public? Michelle I have to check on that. The Web site, it‟s kind of in development right now, and I'm not sure that they have opened up their approach so they may be working out those final details. But I can check with Ginny Gulick on that. Anita Because maybe the museums can be a conduit for that. Michelle Yes. That‟s what I was thinking, that that might be of interest - your own institution‟s targeted image of Mars. The other thing, by the way, at launch that we're doing, we are having an educator workshop on the 9th and 10th. It's a two-day workshop for teachers. So, for those of you who work with teachers, it's a great opportunity to advertise to them. We typically get about 200 teachers from around the country who are typically Mars groupies and completely psyched about not only the opportunity to see the launch, but we also bring in the mission team, both on the science side and on the engineering side. Michelle We will also be continuing with the Context Imager and with some other CRISM data, I believe, our student image and analysis programs and we're going to be building in the MRO content into ongoing programs. So there will be a lot of student opportunities also to participate. That may not be your main focus of interest, but I just want to make you aware of that, as well. Anita So, why do we need another orbiter? Michelle MRO is really exciting, actually. If you look at the data return, it's just exponential. It's so exciting. We still have lots of questions about Mars and MRO is going to be helping us understand so much more about climate and geology, and habitability and all of that, but, also, with its special abilities, will be helping us look for good landing sites for future missions. It's part of the great suite of Mars spacecraft. There are a lot of experiments, too, that will help communications and navigation in the future. I don't know how in depth you want me to go into this from a—I mean, what I might suggest is that we save the whole mission overview FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 7 for our future telecon, where we have the slides set ready. That should be complete fairly soon now, within the next couple of weeks. Anita I just wanted people to have a little sense of why we are launching another orbiter and what's the difference and why do we need it. It also becomes part of the telecommunications net, later on. Steve Another big thing is recouping some of the science that was lost from the Climate Orbiter in '99 and from Mars Observer back in the early „90s, the several instruments that flew on those, that are now being re-flown. Michelle We have one PI [principal investigator] who is trying to get the same instrument to Mars. I think this is his third attempt, isn‟t it? Anita We‟ll have to get him on to talk about that. Michelle Yes. Absolutely. We will start to schedule our typical briefings with some of the mission team members to bring that to you. Anita What's coming up between now and then, that you might like to bring people‟s attention to? Michelle That's a good question. We're trying to determine, internally, on the rovers, whether we do a 500-day hurrah event or a one-year on the surface of Mars. I was just talking to Jen … about this and really discovery keeps happening and it just seems like another whole mission that we're getting out of this, especially with some of the recent findings, phosphorus, etc. So, we will probably be looking at doing something, and I'm sorry if that sounds vague but it actually is at this point. But that's probably the only thing that I can see. Also, Mars and Moon in the night sky have always made an exciting outreach opportunity, and now it is a great tie-in to the NASA vision of lunar and Mars exploration. As Mars approaches Earth for its next apparition in 2005, it will swell from a small disk to its maximum diameter on October 30, 2005, and then shrink again as Mars moves away from Earth. So April 2005 through February 2006 will be the prime observing months for Mars. Every month during this time frame will offer many nights when both the moon and Mars will be in the sky at the same time. The attached image shows the size of Mars over this time frame - the only reason I'm including this image is to show the dramatic size difference as Mars nears the earth. For comparison, for those of you who have looked at planets through a telescope, Mars will be about half the diameter of Jupiter and about the same size as the disk (minus the rings) of Saturn. FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 8 Very Best Views in 2005-2006: From August 2005 to January 2006 Mars will be a good target with the unaided eye to through the telescope. In November 2005 Mars will rise at sunset and is highest in the sky an hour after midnight. This is the time frame that will offer the best Mars viewing next opposition. The MRO launch might tie in nicely here in August, although it gets dark later in the summer and Mars will not be visible until a little late in the evening. The moon will occult (block or pass in front of) Mars twice in 2005. Once in May 2005 ( visible from South America and Africa) and again in December (visible from Siberia) and these could be interesting webcast events. Here are some images to show you what a moon/Mars occultation looks like - this one from last opposition in 2003. http://www.palmbeachastro.org/mmg.htm Anita I might mention to folks that the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference is coming up next week, correct, Steve? And that is a time when there will be probably a flurry of planetary science news. Probably, a lot on Mars, some on Cassini and Genesis. Michelle Do you want to talk about your thing next week, Anita, to see if they have any feedback they want you to carry forward? Anita Yes. A little bit. I also want to ask, is Martin Weiss on the line? Martin Weiss from New York Hall of Science had said he wanted to share with folks what they have been doing with their astrobiology work. They have an exhibit in place now. I offered him some time on the telecon, and also to use the listserv, but I guess we didn't connect. Do you have any more comments on MRO? Michelle I think, Anita, what we'll do is we‟ll maybe put it on the Web site and maybe you FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 9 can send out an e-mail on key dates, and also I'll get the final list of all of the high-def products that we expect to be coming out. Then, on any that exist, why don't we do special delivery on what exists now, and with what we send we can put an expectation for folks on when the next installment would be coming. Anita Michelle wanted me to speak a little bit about next week. I think most of you are aware that NASA‟s informal education division had a series of focus groups this winter and also some professional development workshops for informal educators. This is all a big experiment, mostly data gathering experiment. So all the leads of those professional development workshops and focus groups will be in New York next week. We‟re being hosted by the American Museum of Natural History. It will be a great big lessons learned on what worked, what didn't work, what are the various communities, like the Girl Scouts or the 4-H or planetariums, how do they want to work with NASA and what do they need from us. Hopefully, out of that, will come a direction for the informal education program of NASA. I suspect that Professional Development Institutes, the NASA Explorer Institutes will be a great part of that, because that is one of the four Pathfinder initiatives of the education office of NASA. So, I think a lot of you participated in those focus groups, but if there are any particular messages you want to be sure get carried forward, let us know and we'll voice them for you. Steve I think the fact that you‟re participating is probably the biggest plug for what we need to do. Anita I'm really looking forward to it because I think it's going to be a really high-energy meeting and really, a group of good thinkers. Michelle Anita is already serving your cause and case with some of the conversations we were having this morning about return flight. We kept emphasizing, “Wait a second, wait a second, hold on, you need to ask them what they want, not just go forward with a whole bunch of things,” and Anita gave some great input in terms of products and delivery mechanisms. Hopefully, that will work out pretty well. Did you want to mention to folks what you'll be sending out with regard to that? Anita The earth science folks and others have been very interested in the Museum Alliance model. Michelle and I were on a telecon this morning with the Return to Flight folks. We kind of agreed that we would make the opportunities known to you through the Museum Alliance listserve and others like dome-L, AAM, ASTC, GLPA, etc. Michelle We're trying to help provide lessons learned and your prior input, so that whatever they come up with is done hopefully in a way that you guys like. Anita I think, at least, we‟ll be advisers on that effort, which could be a lot of fun. FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 10 Michelle, what do you think of the shuttle tires? Michelle Tell them about that. Anita They're on the right track in a sense that somebody noticed that there were something like 63 used shuttle tires being excessed through the government property process. So they pulled them back and they're going to, I guess, offer them on request for proposals to people as what would you use NASA shuttle tire for if you got it? They're thinking of long-term loans, like 30 years within which people can touch them, they can cut them up, they can paint them. Michelle They can sign them, they can do all kinds of things they were coming up with. Ken This is Ken in North Carolina. About six months ago, we got a set of the shuttle tires from Langley Research Center in Virginia on a long-term loan. It is enough, I think, for the visitors just to be able to touch something that has been in outer space. It‟s kind of neat. My visitors, certainly, they get a thrill out of, “These tires actually flew.” I think leaving them in the original state as much as possible is probably good because among other things, you can spot the spots where the things actually touched the ground first, of actually burned rubber, if you will. I don't know. I think from just—I don‟t know the right words here, but it's important to leave them as much pristine as possible I would think. This is just a gut feeling, I guess. I'm not sure if painting is a really good idea. I don't like that idea very much. Michelle That's why we were saying, why don't you ask science centers and museums and planetariums what they think of that and what you guys want, instead of sort of going down the whole creativity path, kind of internally. Anita I did put in a plug, though, that you guys would love to have a shuttle tile. So there was a discussion that those are hazardous materials. You can't touch them. However, they talked about maybe putting together a little display that would show the various—I guess it sounded to me kind of like a cross section of what they're made of, that could be made available to some folks. Michelle My overall question to everyone, because I think everyone is looking to do this and certainly, we've been struggling with how to advise NASA; do you want something that's centralized? Do you want the ability to self-select the topics that you're interested in, sort of interest groups. I think NASA is trying to look at how to take the Museum Alliance model and incorporate it at either higher levels or cross theme. I think your input on how you'd like to see that happen would be terrific. And if you e-mail Anita on any of your thoughts, I'm sure she's happy to carry it forward into the discussion she'll be having next week. If you have any more structural thoughts, that would be great. FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 11 The other thing I should bring up is that I'm part of the Mars Roadmap Committee and also the Education Roadmap Committee. The Education Committee won't be meeting until after all of the other roadmapping exercises are complete. I should explain that the roadmap theme is looking at—I think there are 13 different themes at NASA related to Mars, it's robotic and human exploration and what we need to do all along the way to eventually land humans on the surface, but all of the robotic activities leading up to that, and continuing to understand Mars as a habitat. There is an education piece to that that I‟ll be carrying later to the Education Committee. I think from this Alliance community, Ro Kinzler from AMNH is on one of the committees, as well, so we'll be representing, at least in some form, the perspective of this community. But if you all have things that you would like to input for consideration for the next 30 years, either related to Mars or just in general, moon, any of the vision destinations, feel free to e-mail me as well or Anita and she can pass it on to me, and I'll make sure that those remarks get incorporated. Anita Does everybody understand what a roadmap is? It's not where the rover has been. Michelle It‟s how technologically and otherwise, do we need to develop our program to get us to our ultimate 30-year goal, humans on Mars? One of the ideas that may come out of the Mars committee is a citizens advisory group and the, at least, initial recommendation with that or idea I should say, is that two names should be selected from every state, randomly selected and perhaps collected at museums and other places, and then, just sort of randomly picked so that people would have input and insight and that would generate local interest, etc. But I don't know whether that recommendation will be adopted or not. Comments? Anita It made me wonder—I guess there‟s an education advisory group for Headquarters and Doug King from St .Louis Science Center is on it or leading it—I forgot which and I haven't heard much about that lately. Michelle This might be an opportunity to really input—I mean, if you're thinking really long-term --public engagement payloads, what would this community envision. We sort of have some preliminary efforts right now in terms of our current Mars missions set and there is even a video camera with James Cameron involvement on Mars Science Lab, so it's kind of gearing up. But there may be things that you all can think of for our future missions that might be considered for the long-term images you‟d want back from the surface, that kind of thing. Anita There's something that—it might have even been Ken who mentioned it one time--was what's the weather on Mars? So I don't know if any of these missions, I forget; maybe, Doug, does Phoenix have any meteorological packages, any weather information? FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 12 Michelle It depends on the mission, but yes, some of them definitely do. MRO, in fact. Anita It sounds like we might have lost Doug, but Phoenix is a lander and I have to look and see if that has a weather package on it. [It does: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/future/phoenix.html] Michelle So, yes, things like that—science center experiments. Maybe you guys would want to do—I don't know. Dream big because now is the time to get it in. Since it is a 30-year roadmap, being visionary is encouraged. Anita Does anybody else have anything else they want to discuss today? Steve I think there‟s a great Cassini flyby tomorrow of Enceladus, 500 kilometers away, so there should be some good stuff coming out by the end of the week. Anita I am desperately trying to get the multi-mission MUSE site up, so that one of the things I can have is a calendar of upcoming events like that. Pat Do we have any new fish eye or a VR, or 3D images from Titan? The only pan I saw was pretty low-res. Anita I don't know. I have to find out. Pat Okay. Because we're putting together the next version of the disk and the more the better. Anita And you're probably trying to get ready for NSTA. Pat Yes. We‟re really trying to get Space updated all the way up to OS X and at 800 x 600 by NSTA so we are in a mad dash. We will have our dome there at the ESIP federation booth, so if anybody has time, come by and see some of the full dome stuff we‟re doing. Pat We also just opened our Earth show just this weekend. Anita Which show was that? W We call it “Earth‟s Wild Ride” because we hope to get some of the people in because it's just fun. But the science is two kids on a lunar colony are out to watch a solar eclipse, so they're watching the shadow across the Earth, as seen from the Moon. So it's full Earth. We have a lot of Earth-Moon science objectives, which are important around here at middle school. Then, as the shadow goes across the Earth, it talks about the different things on the Earth for people who couldn't go there, like what is snow like, what does rain do, what's lightning, what's a volcano, FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 13 and what's a cave, those kind of things. The idea is it‟s fun. You slide down a canyon and you go in to a cave, but we‟re sneaking a lot of science in there. Anita How long is it? Pat Twenty-two minutes. Anita I guess we‟ve probably seen the riding the leaf through the canyon in the storm. Pat Right. You‟ve seen some of the clips from it. That's right. We did low-res clips to make sure they worked okay. Now, we have it in its full glory in the big dome. Anita What's your cutoff to get anything onto your disk for NSTA? Pat Couple of weeks, no later. Anita I'll talk to the Cassini folks. Pat Anything we get, that would be great and have permission to distribute. Anita The director of the Laboratory [JPL] is the principal investigator on the Cassini radar instrument. Our boss has been asking him, How come we don't have flyovers of Titan like we did of Venus yet? I suspect there might not be enough data yet, but I don‟t know for sure. Pat By the way, speaking of, I need to know who to talk to, to get permission to use the meatball on all of these products. Anita I would suggest you start with Nora Normandy at NASA headquarters. You know, Nora? NASA is very protective of the meatball. W I understand that. Anita This is under a NASA grant, right? W All of it, really. Anita Talk to Ming Ying [Wei] [NASA Earth Science Education]. W All right. Thank you very much. Ken Michelle? FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 14 Michelle Yes. Ken What is your e-mail address, so I can send you some thoughts on long-term education stuff? Michelle Great. It‟s firstname.lastname@example.org. If any of you lose that, just e-mail Anita and she'll forward it to me. Not a problem. Ken About how many people that are on the line are actually going to NSTA in Dallas? Pat I am. I can tell you most of the teachers. Anita Nobody else? Okay. Kay Ferrari will be there. She is the Solar System Ambassador Coordinator and she is giving a presentation that covers the ambassadors, the educators and the museum alliance. Pat When is that? We have a poster of important workshops and I'd like to put that one on there. Ken It‟s Saturday at 5:30. Anita And Sheri Klug should be going, too. She is our Mars educator, who has probably done some events at some of your institutions. She is incredible and so is her staff. We ought to have her on again, just tell us what's happening. Michelle, what's happening with the robotic poster by the way? Michelle I just had a conversation with Stacey Rudolph [NASA HQ] this morning. The short story is that we will probably release the activities on the Web long before we will ever get out a poster, given new NASA production requirements. Anita Are there any other products in the pipeline from Mars? Michelle No. I think most of it is focused right now on the visualization products for MRO coming up, with the rover stuff keeping on. Anita They are incredibly prolific. Is Rock Around the World still going on? Michelle Yes. Anita I have to get Sheri to give us an update on that one. FTS-NASA-VOICE Moderator: Anita Sohus March 8, 2005/2:30 p.m. CST Page 15 Michelle Happy to. Anita Anybody else have anything they want to bring up today? Michelle Also, for any members who want us to come out, we just did, I know an event at North Carolina and Sheri went out there, and it was in conjunction with CIAA [Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association ] and Geoff Haines-Stiles [Passport to Knowledge]. Certainly, there have been his Marsapalooza events, six of them, I think, this year. But if you have special events and you think the rover show or our presence is enhancing, just let us know and we'll try and work it into our schedule. Anita By the way, I did talk to Martin Ratcliffe [Exploration Place, Wichita] and he was happily exhausted. He broke the fire warden‟s rules again. He had 420 people in room for 350 and he got around it by putting the kids on the floor in front of the stage so they could make eye contact directly with the M-Team. Michelle Terrific. What we're trying to do more and more is move away from just pure passthrough public outreach kinds of events and working more with our partners, whether informal or formal, yes, to get more points in the good old NASA credit system, but, also, because it really is of greater impact when we do that rather than just the state fairs of old. So we're happy to talk about supporting any events you guys have, that you‟d like us to come for, whether scientist and engineers and speakers, or models, that kind of thing. Anita Is Christine [Johnson] going to be helping with some of that? Michelle Yes. Hopefully, yes.
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