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									Proposed Oil and Gas Lease Sale
              In the Diapir Field

                Public Hearings

                        Nuiqsut

                            1982
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10        PUBLIC             HEARING ON BEAUFORT                 SEA 


11        ENVIRONMENTAL                IMPACT STATEMENT 


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                                      SPEAKERS IN NUIQSUT

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 Joe Tukle

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 Edward        Nukapigak

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 Johnny       Ahtuangaruak

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 Sammy Kanaknana

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 Ruth    Nukapigak

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 Thomas       Napagiak    - Mayor of Nuiqsut
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 Joe Erlcklog       -   City Council
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 Eli    Nukapigak - City               Council
 9     Joe Nukapigak
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 Ruth. Sielak 


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 Mark     Ahmakak 

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 Sarah        Kunaknana 

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 S a m Taalak 


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 Joe    Kunaknana 

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 Bessie Ericklog 


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 1                                      P R O C E E D I N G S                           


 2            MR. EMERSON: We'd like to                                   get started. I'll talk                       to 


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     you over there since the seating is filling in over there

 4   name is Ray Emerson. I'm from the Alaska Outer Continental 


 5   Shelf Office in Anchorage. We're here tonight to comment on

 6   the    Environmental                   Impact          statement             that      has        been          prepared

 7   some of you have received copies

                                  and,                                            hopfully,had a chance 


 8   to    look        over     this           document           here       for Beaufort-Sea area, the 

                                                                                  the


 9   name is       now,           we're using is the dipar field. In any 

                               that

10   case,        we    are         here        tonight           to       hear     your         comments,             your    c
11 about this assessment of the proposed oil and gas lease s
12   If you're comingin, let me just say this, that we'd like y
13 to      sign        in    with          Paul        Dubski

                                                          over            here     on       my    extreme             right, 


14 over underneath the scoreboard there. Please leave your name
15 with him and,               also,if                you     wish         to     testify         tonight,            mention
16 that to him and he will place
 on the
                              you                                                       list      of       testifiers.
17 We had plannedto hold                              the     hearing           from

                                                                                   7:30      --       or   actually
18   from 7, but            there           was       some       misunderstanding the starting 

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19   time, So it's 7:30 to 11:30.                                But if we need additional time,
20   why, we will take it. 

21                Those of you                that        don't           testify       tonight            can       also     sen
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     your comments into our office. We need to receive those

23   February 12th, if we could. And then we can address those 

24   issues       and       those          issues           will       be       discussed         in       the       final 

25   Environmental              Impact            Statement               which     will         be    released          in    J
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       of   this     year       and       you're          concerns,             the      issues        that    you    b
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       up   tonight,as well as your written comments, will be includ
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 3     in   that     final        Environmental                 Impact          Statement. 

                  First, let me introduce first of all panel. On my 

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       left is Mr. Ralph Anger from Washington, D.C. He's with the 


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       Bureau of Land Management. And on my right
 Barry Beaudreau
                                                is

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 with    the -- well, used                    to    be     the       Conservation             Division 

                                                                                                       of

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 Geological           Survey        and
                                          now it's              the      Minerals           and    Management 


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 Service.        So think of him somewhat as a geological surveyor,

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 he still is. 

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       As I say, if you are interested testifying, you 

                                         in

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 need to        register           your        name        with           Paul          there. 

                                                                                       Dubski over


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              AUDIENCE MEMBER: Excuse                       me, sir. 


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              MR. EMERSON: Yes.                    Go ahead. 


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              AUDIENCE MEMBER: The majority of the people speak

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 ..Inupiat, o you have an interpreter?
               d

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              MR. EMERSON:            Yes, we do.                 Emma, would you like to go

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 ahead now. You can use the microphone here or just right 

                                        up

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 there, if you wish. Thank you. 

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              EMMA:      (nativelanguage)

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              MR. EMERSON:               If you could, hold your .comments to a 


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 10-minute period. If you go over, why, that's fine, but 


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 those        are     the     time        frames          that        we      would         like    to    work    w

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 There        will      also a
                           be
              public           hearing           in    Kaktovik          tomorrow      an

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 Fairbanks          and there's also,
 Friday of this week a similar 

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  1     p u b l i ch e a r i n g b e i n g h e l d o n t h e p r o p o s e dl e a s es a l e                 in

  2     Anchorage           -
  3                     EMMA:            la
                                    (native nguage)

  4                     MR.     EMERSON:                        h     p             c
                                                 Also, i f y o u a v e r e p a r e d o p i e s                     of your

  5     t e s t i m o n y , w e would l i k e t o have you l e a v e a c o p yo ft h a t

  6     w i t hu sa n dM a r s h aB e n n e t t                --   Marsha,wouldyou                  raiseyour

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 hand       --      wouldyou          givethecopies                   t o h e r so t h a t w e canhave

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 thoseforouruseback                                 a t t h e Anchorage o f f i c e ?

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                   Thomas ( I n d i s c e r n i b l e ) ,d i d         youwish            tobefirst?             We

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 hadyou              down h e r e a b o u t f i f t h           or s i x t h , b u t       wouldyou        like

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 t o , as Mayor, be o u r f i r s t t e s t i f i e r t o n i g h t ?
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                    MAYOR:       HOW'S        that?

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                    MR.     EMERSON:          Would you l i k e t o t e s t i f y f i r s t ?

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                    MAYOR:        I ' m n o tr e a l l yp r e p a r e d ,         I mean I h a v e n ' te v e n

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 g o n et h r o u g ht h e           EIS d r a f t .

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                        M . EMERSON:              Okay, o u rf i r s ts p e a k e r             w i l l b eJ o e

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 Tookley            .
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                    JOE:           la
                                  (native nguage)

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                    INTERPRETER:              A f t e rl o o k i n ga tt h e           map a t Barrowand

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 h a v i n g seen t h e m e e t i n g                 a t Barrow, I d e c i d e d t o come h e r e

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 and t e s t i f y t h a t t h i s p a r t o f t h e l e a s e s a l e c o n t a i n s t h e                     ca.
                                                                                                                    oen
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                    JOE :            l
                                  (native anguage)

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                    INTERPRETER:              On b e h a l f of t h e N u i g s u t                          o cr
                                                                                                 people, I have c n en
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 for the people of Nuigsut.                                                            ht
                                                         After looking a t the map, I saw t a where you
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 h a v ey o u rs a l e ,w h e r ey o u rl e a s es a l e                        i s , on some a r e a st h e y
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  I     have f i s h , h u n t i n g , t h a t            a r e i n c l u d e da r o u n dt h a ta r e a .
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                       JOE:          la
                                (native nguage)

  -                    INTERPRETER:              What I t h i n ky o uh a v e                is      --   I want t o be

  4     here     --     iftheycouldwaitforfiveyearsbeforetheycould

  5     d ot h ep r o p o s e ds a l ef r o mC a p eH a l k e t t                    t o Cross I s l a n d .

  6                    JOE:          la
                                (native nguage)

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                  INTERPRETER:               And t h ef o o dt h e yh a v e              i s p r e c i o u st ot h e

  8     p e o p l e .H a v i n gb e e nb o r nh e r e ,t h e r ea r ea l s of i n ep l a c e sf o r

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 f i s h and t h e r e ' s a l s o a n                area w h e r et h e yh u n tf o rb e a r d e ds e a l

10                     JOE:          la
                                (native nguage)

11                     INTERPRETER:               Also,         have
                                                              you               h u r t a l o to fp e o p l e           through

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 t h e r a d i o y e s t e r d a y          from t h e m e e t i n g h e l d a t              B a r r o w ,d i dn o t

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 wantanyproposed                       salebeingdone                     or t o haveanydrillings

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 beingdonefrom                     Cape H a l k e t t t o C r o s s I s l a n d o r a n y w h e r e .

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                   JOE:          la
                                (nativenguage)

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                   INTERPRETER:               Also,       from t h ep e o p l e ' st e s t i m o n y ,            you

17      haveheardthatoceancurrentsareverystrong.

18                     JOE:          la
                                (native nguage)

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                   INTERPRETER:               I n f r o n to ft h ei s l a n d st h ep r e s s u r e

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 r e a c h e sa r ev e r yh i g h ,g o i n gu p                     20 f e e t .       You haveonyour

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 t r a c t s a l e t h a t p a r t o f w h e r e t h e r e a c h e s g o u p .

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                   JOE:          la
                                (native nguage)

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                   INTERPRETER:               I h a v es a i dt h i sb e f o r e ,y e s t e r d a y ,t o

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 you and I am g o i n g t o s a y t h i s                         t o you so t h a t t h e p e o p l e

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 c a n h e a r .
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                   JOE:              la
                                (native nguage)
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                       INTERPRETER:              W have
                                                  e    beenhearing    your
                                                                  about  equipment

 -     t h a tc a nb eu s e df o ro i ls p i l l .                         The o i l s p i l l t h a t         youhave

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 talkedaboutcannotbecleanedoutunderthe                                                          ice conditions

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 C     t h a t we havehereandtheyalso                                    k i l l offtheanimals.

 t                  JOE:             la
                                (nativenguage)

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                   INTERPRETER:              You h a v eh u r tt h e s ep e o p l ea n d                   I w i l l say

 a     it a g a i n , I do n o tw a n t                    you t o h a v e t h e s a l e a r o u n d t h a t a r e a

 9     o r o f , you know, t h e l e a s e                      s a l e t h a t you t h e r e , b e c a u s e           we

10     d on o tw a n ta n yl e a s es a l e                     on t h e r e .       And i f y o uc a nw a i tf i v e

11 y e a r s f o r t h i s ,          maybe h e ' l l havesomething                            e l s e t o s a ya b o u t

12     it.

13                  JOE :             l
                                (nativeanguage)

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                   INTERPRETER:              The a n i m a lh a b i t a tw h e r e               w e h u n ta r ep a r t

15     o ft h ep e o p l e ' sp r o p e r t y .                 And w e i n v i t ep e o p l e          when w e h u n t

16     and when w e have game t o come i n and e a t a t o u r h o u s e s                                             and w e

17     a r e happy t o d o t h a t a n d                    w e a r ec o n c e r n e da b o u to u rl a n da n d

18     o u rh u n t i n gg r o u n d s .               W e donotwantanybody                         t o t o u c ht h a t

19     area.

20                  JOE:             la
                                (nativenguage)

21                     INTERPRETER:              Our p a r e n t s         --     when t h e f i r s t w h i t e         man

22     came, t h e E s k i m o sh o u s e dt h e ma n df e dt h e mw i t ht h e i r                                own

23     foods. . I n l o o k i n g a t o u r p e o p l e o f t o d a y                      some ofthemhave

24     gottenneartowhitepeopleandif                                             you c o u l d j u s t       at least

25     w a i t for five years                  and look a t what w e a r e d o i n g ,                       w e would be
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     veryhappy              for you t o p o s t p o n e t h e s a l e .

 2                 J O E:           la
                               (nativenguage)

 3                 INTERPRETER:                I have much more t o s a y b u t                        I want t o

 4 havetheotherpeople                             t o have a time t o t a l k t o you so w e ' l l

 5 s a y a f e w more words a f t e r e v e r y b o d y h a s h a d t h e i r t u r n .

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               MR.      EMERSON:                     y
                                               Okay, thank ou.                                   y
                                                                                      W appreciate our
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 7 testimony.

 8                 The n e x t t e s t i f i e r           i s Edward Dukakpigak.

 9                 EDWARD:                la
                                     (native nguage)

10                 INTERPRETER:                 I w i l l s a y a fewwordsconcerningour

1 ocean.
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12                 EDWARD:                la
                                     (nativenguage)

13                 INTERPRETER:                     an     and
                                               Being Eskimo havinglivedaround

1 4 the o c e a n , I am r e a l l y c o n c e r n e d                       m
                                                                        and a o p p o s i n g t o y o u rs a l e

1 5 b e c a u s e I haveused                 t h e o c e a nf o rf o o d .

16                 EDWARD:                la
                                     (nativenguage)

17                 INTERPRETER:                When w e h a dn o t h i n g               t o e a t w went t o t h e
                                                                                                    e

la   o c e a nf o r      food, b e c a u s et h eo c e a nh a s                   a l o t of a n i m a l s .

19                 EDWARD:                la
                                     (nativenguage)

2c                 INTERPRETER:                 I a m o p p o s i n gt h e            lease s a l e o r t h e

21 d r i l l i n g t h a t       i s g o i n g t o bedone                 in that area.

2;                 EDWARD:                la
                                     (nativenguage)
     I
2:                 INTERPRETER:                 The l a n d ,a s          you c a n see, i s b i ga n di f

24       ou c a n n o t f i n d a n y t h i n g           inside theland,then                     you c a n go and

2:       r i l l t o w a r d st h eo c e a n .
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 1                    EDWARD:            la
                                    (native nguage)

 2                    INTERPRETER:             I would l i k e f o r           you t o l o o k a t                 not

 3     t o overlookthe              area where t h e f i s h are t h e r e f o r s p a w n i n g

 4     a n dw h e r et h e      people h u n t f o r b e a r d e d s e a l .

 5                    EDWARD:            la
                                    (native nguage)

 6                    INTERPRETER:             The o c e a n i s v e r yd a n g e r o u su ph e r e ,

 7     e v e nt h e     ice r e a c h e s f o r        a s h i g ha n d      c a n be k i l l e r s of human

 8     beings.          You w i l l o n l ye n d a n g e ry o u r            own l i f e i f yougo

 9     aheadand          d r i l l whereyouwant                   to drill.

10                    EDWARD:            la
                                    (native nguage)

11                    INTERPRETER:              I h a v en o tb e e nl i s t e n i n g             much t o t h e

12     t e s t i m o n y o r h a v eh e a r da n y t h i n ga b o u tc o n c e r n i n gt h e                  lease

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 s a l e and it would be more i n v i t i n g i f w e hadheard                                      some more

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 on t h i s s u b j e c t       so t h a t w e c o u l dh a v e            more argument.

15                    EDWARD:            la
                                    (native nguage)

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                  INTERPRETER:              I a m r e a l l yc o n c e r n e da b o u tt h eo c e a n .

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 T h a t i s where w e g e t o u rf o o df r o m .                       I am n o tr e a l l yc o n c e r n e d

18     a b o u tt h el a n d .B u ti f               y o uc a n n o tf i n da n y t h i n gi nt h el a n d ,

19     t h e n you s h o u l d a t l e a s t w a i t and d r i l l down t o t h e o c e a n .

20                    EDWARD:            la
                                    (native nguage)

21                    INTERPRETER:              'The                  l
                                                          C o l v i l Rei v e r              is t h e
22     p l a c ew h e r et h ew h a l e sg o             t o and t h e s e a l a n i m a l s a r e t h e r e ,
23     too.      F i n ef o o d ,        so h e ' sr e a l l yc o n c e r n e da b o u tt h a t            area.

24                    EDWARD:            la
                                    (native nguage)

25                    INTERPRETER:             H e ' s g o i n g t o e n dh i st e s t i m o n yr i g h t
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 1 now b u t a f t e r h e h a d           h e a r d some more comments from t h e p e o p l e , 


 2   f rom t h e a u d i e n c e ,     h e w i l l maybe have some more t o s a y l a t e r 


 3   0n.   


 4               EDWARD :          Thankyou.


 5               MR.    EMERSON:               y
                                           Thank ou             v e r y much. 


 6               JohnnyAntuigawa. 


 7               JOHNNY:           ( n a t i v e language) 

 8               AUDIENCEMEMBER:                    W c a n ' t h e a ro nt h i ss i d e .
                                                     e                                                   I guess 


 9   Y have t o make t h a t l o u d e r . 

      ou

10               JOHNNY:                               i
                                   ( c o n t i n u i n gn       n a t i v e language) 

11               INTERPRETER:                         b     b     a r           a
                                           H a v i n g e e n o r n n d a i s e d r o u n d


12    (Indiscernible)and                 m p e o p l e know t h i s t h a t
                                          y                                                  a r e among m e , 


1 3 I a m c o n c e r n e da b o u tt h es p a w n i n gp l a c e               for the fish. 


14               JOHNNY:                lan
                                   (native
 guage)

15               INTERPRETER:
                           When                       t h ef i s h     s t a r t spawningtheygo
16   through C o l v i l l e R i v e r , t h e n t h e y              go down t o t h e o c e a n         to
17   h hatch t h e i r e g g s .
18               JOHNNY:                     le
                                   ( n a t i va n g u a g e )
19               INTERPRETER:              A f t e rt h e yh a v eh a t c h e dt h e i re g g s ,
20   af t e r t h e    r i v e r i s more l i k e f l o o d e d           over, t h e nt h e yg ob a c k
21   t o w h e r et h e y     came from.
22               JOHNNY:                la
                                   (native nguage)
23               INTERPRETER:               The f i s h know where t o go.
24               JOHNNY:                la
                                   (native nguage)
25               INTERPRETER:              W d i dn o th a v e
                                            e                             o i l t h e n , when I w a s
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       growingup.                W e h a dc o a l        when w e were growingup                     at
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 2     (Indiscernible).

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                  JOHNNY:                la
                                        (native nguage)

 4                    INTERPRETER:                I n m mind it i s n o t i n m v i s i o n t o s e l l
                                                       y                       y

 5     I f you can f i n d anywhere, i f y o uc a nf i n d                               o i l i n l a n d it is

 6     o k a y ,b u t       i f you c a n ' t f i n d a n y t h i n g            down i n t h e l a n d , t h e n

 7     youcangoaheadandgo                               down t o t h e o c e a n .

 8                    JOHNNY:                la
                                        (native nguage)

 9                    INTERPRETER:                         h
                                                 H e doesn't ave                 much more t o say.               He's

10     giving the other people                          a chance t o s p e a k .

11                    MR.    EMERSON:                you.
                                                 Thank

12                    L e t ' s see, I g u e s st h i s              i s o u rn e x tt e s t i f i e r .T h a t

13     w l be f i n e .
        il                           What i s y o u r name, p l e a s e ?

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                      S a m u e( I n d i s c e r n i b l e )

15                    MR. . EMERSON.:            Okay, g o a h e a d , p l e a s e .

16                    SAMUEL:'       ...( n a t i v e   language)

17                    INTERPRETER:               I will s a y a few words,                      having lived

18     h e r ea n dh a v i n gh u n t e dh e r e .

19                    SAMUEL:                la
                                        (native nguage)

20                    INTERPRETER:               What w e c a l l a n i m a l s , w e have a t e them,

21     w e haveived ponhem.
              l   u   t

22                    SAMUEL:                la
                                        (native nguage)

23                    INTERPRETER:               H a v i n gl i v e dh e r e ,        I know t h a t w e c a n n o t

24     live without              oil.
25                    SAMUEL:                la
                                        (native nguage)
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 1             INTERPRETER: The animals are sensitive to the smell 


 2 of anything           and theycan go a                     different             route     when      they   smel

 3     something. 


 4             SAMUEL:(nativelanguage)

 5                                                               ,
               INTERPRETER: From Colville River to (Indiscernible)

 6     all   these    years          that have
                                       I                   lived         here,       we     have    been    abunda

 7 in bearded seal,                 water          fowl,        any       kind
 water fowl, ducks. 

                                                                           of

 a             SAMUEL:(nativelanguage)


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           INTERPRETER: Around April in Colville River more 


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 seal can       be    seen         lying         about        around
the
                                                                     on                 ocean,      more    seal 


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 than     youcan see. 


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           MR. EMERSON: Could I ask how far up the Colville Riv

13     are   we     talking? 


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              SAMUEL:(nativelanguage)


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              INTERPRETER:                                  tracks are? Half-

                                           Do you know where your


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 way,     you    follow           the          Colville            River then go halfway there's 

                                                                        and
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 an island there. Follow the Colville River and then
 half-

                                                      go

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 way     where    your         blocks           are,       and       then       there's        an   island   th
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 and     that's      what        he's          talking         about. 

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              SAMUEL:(nativelanguage)

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              INTERPRETER: Why don't we have a brief recess. These 

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 people do not            seem          know what
                                           to                      you       people         are    here
 so 

                                                                                                     for,
23 
 I can               Inupiat. It would really help these peopl
               say that in
24     tremendously. They don't seem to have anything to say
 

                                                           on
25 
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 1 
          MR. EMERSON:               Okay, let's take about 10-minute break. 

                                                               a

 2 
 Would    you       like talk.... 

                           to

 3                INTERPRETER: I'll talk to these people, yes. 


 4                                          - B R E A K ­ 


 5 
          MR. EMERSON:                Okay, we'd like to continue and want 

                                                                         I

 6 
 to    remind       you     again            that     you         can     still     submit       your    commen

 7     regarding        this     proposed              action          up     until       February        12th. 


 8                INTERPRETER:(nativelanguage)


 9 
              MR. EMERSON: We'll also be leaving some additional 


10 
 copies        of   the      Environmental                 Impact          Statement        for       those     pe
11 
 that    would like one. 

12 
              INTERPRETER:(nativelanguage)
13 
              MR. JEFFERY:            If I could just ask, we could if you wa
14 
 make                        out
             a tape that if it turns well could be put (indis­

                                                    in
15 
 cernible). If you'd like                        that, I could try it. I don't 

16 
 know if it would turn out. If you'd rather

                                              not, I won't. 

17 
              INTERPRETER:            Is that the tape of mine? 

18 
                                                   know, try and 

                  MR. JEFFERY: No, we'd make a tape, you
19 
 pick up people            and                  ..
                                         then.. if you                   want,       we        do
                                                                                              can it.
20 
              AUDIENCE MEMBER: I'm sure, Mr. Jeffery, that all the
21 
 other        villages       are       really          wanting listen
                                                                to                      to     our    comments 

22 
 here in this village here. And they'll be asking questions

23 
 how     come       we    don't        have          any      or any
                                                                 tapes
          radio. 

24 
              MR. JEFFERY:            Well, if you'd like, I'll try. 

25 
              AUDIENCE MEMBER: We hardly listento the radio. 

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 1                   MR.    JEFFERY:           Some p e o p l e do. 


 2                   INTERPRETER:            A l o t of t h.em d i d n ' t kn oww a b o u t t h i s 


 3   meetingandwhat                   it was a b o u t , 


 4                   MR.    JEFFERY :        Yeah, t h a t ' st o ob a d . 


 5                   INTERPRETER :           Even though i t ' s b e e n b r o a d c a s t t h r e e                   or 


 6   f o u r t i m e s a day. 


 7                   MR.    JEFFERY :          I know. 


 8                   AUDIENCE MEMBER:                Yeah, w e w o u l da p p r e c i a t ei fy o u

 9   wouldsend              a t a p e t o b eb r o a d c a s t ,

10                   MR.    JEFFERY:         Yeah, w e ' l l g i v e it a t r y anyway.                         Just

 1
1 might
     work.                     Okay.

12                   INTERPRETER:                   la
                                               (native nguage)

13                   I j u s t mentionedthatinthefuture                                when youhave

14   s o m e t h i n gl i k et h i s ,         s i n c e a l o t o fp e o p l e        do n o t l i s t e n       to
15   t h e i rr a d i o s ,t h a t        --     (discernible)             --   a n da i r i n gt h e mt h r o u g h
16   Channel 9.
17                   MR.    EMERSON:             would
                                             Okay,      Sepogakak
                                                     Ruth                                        l i k e t o speak,
18   please?
19                   RUTH:                 le
                                 ( n a t i va n g u a g e )
20                   INTERPRETER:              I w i l l t a l ka b o u tw h a t         I h a v es e e n       on
21   thetracksonyour                     map andwhat               I haveheardaboutselling                              and
22   n o ts e l l i n g .        The ocean i s n o t a l a n da n d                  before I h a v eh e a r d
23   thattheocean                 i s n o tf o ro w n e r s h i p .
24                   RUTH:            la
                                 (nativenguage)
25                   INTERPRETER:              I h a v et a l k e d      a t m e e t i n g sb e c a u s e       I have
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     l i v e da n dh a v e        been r a i s e d u p h e r e a n d b e c a u s e                 y
                                                                                                  m parents are

 1
     from h e r ea n dh a v i n gp e o p l e                t o l i v e s i d e by s i d e w i t h .
                    RUTH:            la
                                (native nguage)

 1                  INTERPRETER:                    k
                                              A s younow,                Powtou       w i l l be a d r i l l i n g
 c   place,but           youshould              a l s o know t h a t t h e r e a r e g r a v e s              down

 f   there.          I t ' s a l s o a h u n t i n g a r e a a n da n i m a l sh a v el i v e dt h e r e

 1
     And t h e p e o p l e t h a t          are drillinghaveruinedtheplacealready

 E   w h e r et h e yh a v eh u n t e da n i m a l sb e f o r e .

 s                  RUTH:            la
                                (native nguage)

1c                            When
                    INTERPRETER:                        I w a s s m a l l I l e a r n e d how t o h u n t

11   the true         Eskimo way and I have a l s o l i v e d t h e t r u e                                Eskimo way

12   before the white                  man c a n e .

13                  RUTH:            la
                                (native nguage)

14                  INTERPRETER:              When I w a s s m a l l I had    seen
                                                                          never                                  a

15   w h i t e man.          I h a v eo n l ys e e nt h r e ew h i t e               men h e r e ,o n e          was a

16   s t o r e k e e p e ra n do n e        was a helper.

17                  RUTH:            la
                                (native nguage)

18                            When
                    INTERPRETER:                        I w a s s m a l l w e n e v e r saw r e a l money

19   so m f a t h e r h u n t e d a n d t r a p p e d i n o r d e r
         y                                                                           to get us the
20   necessarywhiteman'sfood.

21                  RUTH:             la
                                 (native nguage)

22                  INTERPRETER:              W l i v e d a h a r d time when w e were growing
                                               e

23     T
     up. here             w a s not ven
                                  e                  a school.
24                  RUTH:             la
                                 (native nguage)
25                  INTERPRETER:              W h i t ep e o p l eh a v es t a r t e dc o m i n gh e r e
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 1     and now i t ' s g e t t i n g so m o r ew h i t ep e o p l ea r ec o m i n g                             j u s t so
 r 
   that they could start drilling.

                      RUTH:             la
                                   (native nguage)

 4                    INTERPRETER:              Even though I am a woman, I havehunted

 -
    when I was small.                    Even
                                               up           t o now I have still h u n t e d .

                      RUTH:             la
                                   (native nguage)

 7 
                  INTERPRETER:              H a v i n gl e a r n e d      how t o h u n t from my

 a     p a r e n t sa n df r o mo t h e rp e o p l e .

.9                    RUTH:             la
                                   (native nguage)

10 
                  INTERPRETER:              The o c e a nt h a t          y o uh a v eo ny o u rl e a s e

11 
 s a l e ,s h e       i s v e r ya g a i n s t .          She d o e sn o t         w a n t it t o be on

12 
 s a l e .s h ed o e sn o th a v e                  it i n h e r mind.

13                    RUTH:             la
                                   (native nguage)

14 
                  INTERPRETER:              W e t h ep e o p l e        of N u i g s u t , when w e look

15     a r o u n do u rv i l l a g e ,    we see t h e w h i t e p e o p l e a r e c i r c l i n g o u r

16     villages with their drilling.

17                    RUTH:             la
                                   (native nguage)

18                    INTERPRETER:              I h a v eh e a r do n ep e r s o nt a l k i n gt h a t

19     w h e r eh eh a dh u n t e da n dt r a p p e dt h e yh a dg o n eo v e rh i s                                 traps

20     so h e was g o i n g t o move h i s t r a p s                       away from t h a t a r e a .

21                    RUTH:             la
                                   (native nguage)

22                    INTERPRETER:              W who are l i v i n gh e r ea r eh a v i n g
                                                 e                                                                   a hard

23     t i m e withbuyingdiesel,                        i t ' s realhardhaving                      to live here
24     without oil.

25                    RUTH:             la
                                   (nativenguage)
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 1                                                                 oil people         have    lied us 

                                                                                                  to

 2                                                              successful. But,             as you know 


 3     the oil spills,             whenthey do have                 anoil spill,             the      really
                                                                                                    oil


 4     runs fast.

 5                RUTH:(nativelanguage)

 6                INTERPRETER:            I am very much opposedto selling the

 7     proposed      area       that       you      have your map and I have
                                                      on                                       also    heard

 8     that   the     oceanoes not
                          d                       belongto anybody. 

 9 


10 


11     belonging to         anybody. 

12                RUTH:      (nativelanguage)


13                INTERPRETER:             I, myself; having lived at the land, 


14     this   is       close to our hunting area, so I am opposing all 

                     too

15     of your      lease       sale. 

16                MR. EMERSON: Thank you. 

17                Our next        speaker          will       be    Thomas         Nefogiak. 

18                THOMAS: My name is Thomas (Indiscernible) Mayor of 

19     Nuigsut.                                  your time to testify
                     1 would like a brief moment of


20     on the      proposal            we
                                    that have              in      front      of     us, the
                                                                                      on           Diaper
21     Field Sale No. 71.               But first I'd like to interpret what's
22     in the      page     what        page,        the      local        people our
                                                                               of            village. 

23                (native language)
24                MR. EMERSON:            Well, it's an estimate basedon two
25     different types of assumptions. One, the 6 was a spill rate
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 1 
 that    was       determined             from        Prudhoe             Bay    operations,               which    we

 2 
 thought       to     be      somewhat                      gravel island operation, 

                                                     similar a to


 3 
 since we don't have any statistics. The 8 is based on a 


 4 
 larger        date      of      base         which            activitiesand expected 

                                                               would be


 5 
 spills       basedon what              has       happened              in      the    Gulf       of       Mexico. 


 6 
              THOMAS:(nativelanguage)


 7 
       ....the       North Slope oil's lawsuit against Hammond. The

 8 
 village        of    Nuigsut           along         with         Point         Hope       has    joined          the

 9 
 Slope oil and             filed a lawsuit against all lease sales beyon

10 
 their islands. The filing date was November 1979 and, accord­

11 
 ing to records,              the       last        court         argument            was    in    March at
                                                                                                       1981

12 
 Barrow.       No decision from Alaska Supreme Court. And to

13 
 further        give       you      more        information               of     the       ideas       off some 

                                                                                                            o

14 
 the    people        that        are         here the
                                                    in            audience            tonight,         they       are 


15 
 saying        that     from        Cross         Island           to     the     point       of       Cape     Halk

16 
 direct       line, nothing toward land shouldon lease sale, 

                                                    be
17 
 due to       the     animals           and       birds           and     fish        that    the          Village 

18 
 Nuigsut       depends          on. 

19 
              We   also       stand           firmly the
                                                      on                 lawsuit          that 
 have

                                                                                             we
20 
 against       Hammond. 

21 
              Thank     you. 

22 
              MR. EMERSON: Thank you. The next testifier would be 

23 
 Joe    Erikluk. 

24 
              JOE:(nativelanguage)

25 
                                                    and speak 

                  MR. EMERSON: Could you move over closer

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       into    the        microphone.
 1 

 2
                   JOE:     (nativelanguage)

 3 
               INTERPRETER: The people here that are withe tonight 

                                                            m

 4
       are    opposing        the         lease          sale       that              have

                                                                                 you on your             map,    having 


 5
       been   here as a            residentof Nuigsut. 


 6 
               JOE:     (nativelanguage)

 7 
               INTERPRETER: They are hunting grounds and also the 


 8 
place where we have fished. If we have an oil spill, these 

 9     people know          what          going
                                         is
             to      happen.

10                 JOE:     (nativelanguage)

11                 INTERPRETER:              All of us that are here tonight, think 

                                                                            I

12     are    opposedto            this        lease         sale we
                                                               and                are     not       happy       about
 

                                                                                                                   this.

13                 JOE:     (nativelanguage)

14                 INTERPRETER:               I just wanted to say that I am opposing

15 the lease sale. That's why I am giving a small testimony.
16                 MR. EMERSON: Thank you.

17                 The    next          testifier            would         be      Ely      Nepogigkak.

18                 ELY:    A s you have                heard, mostof the elders that are

19     speaking       here         opposing            the       lease           sale     which          will    be   affe

20     our subsistent lifestyle and our way
 life. We as a village 

                                         of

21     have   been        having          hearings,             past        hearings,              and    they    ignore
22     recommendations and our commentsin the past. This issue of 

23     a   million        and       a     half         acres        is      in      the     Arctic         Ocean      in   P
24     and this is where (indiscernible) that we're subsistent
 

                                                           on,
25                                on.
       most of our people here live
                                     The fish, the milo that ar
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 1 
 that      are    in   this       area         will          be    affected          by    oil spill 

                                                                                                and our


 2     way of living will be, too,                     because            this     off       shore       is    some-

 3     thing   to    think      about,          even               most

                                                            though of our               people       are       in 

                                      it. And us local, wesay 

 4 
 the public areas that decide about

 5     our voice but they ignore
 from our saying.So we oppose 

                               us

 6 
 this off shore lease sale. Thank you. 


 7 
           MR. EMERSON:            Thank you.

 8 
            The next, Joe Nepogigkak. 


 9             JOE:    The case we established when (indiscernible) 8 


10 
 years                                   I didn't even know 

               ago (indiscernible) at Barrow and


11 
 (indiscernible). Although my parents, grandparents (indis­

12     cernible).      In those 8 years have I come to know my land 


13     that I have (indiscernible9 and I have followed my parents' 


14 
 travels to the Simpson (indiscernible) all the way to Cape
15 
 Halkett,        and   last       year
and
                                        I               a        couple my
                                                                      of             brothers        went       out
16 
 seal hunting f o r 20 miles out. Although there's a lot of

17 
 seals out there, there's lot of sea mammals. And also we, 

                            a
18 
 as    a         party,
               hunting                 while         we     were          out            ice
                                                                                  therecame, ice

19 
 pack came, never even realizing that it came upon. Time and

20     time againour elders                have       spoken the ice pack and am 

                                                           of               I
21 
 afraid, you know, that                    with     this          off     shore         lease    sale       pro­

22     posal they really won't account for it. know that (indis­

                                              I
23     cernible) statements, a fact that this village will tell. 

24     What benefits arewe going to get?                              I don't want no handouts, 

25     on the cuff. Because I dip them out the fish, sea mammals 

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         that I have learned to call and love to eat. And
 have seen 

                                                        I
 c
 L
     
   (indiscernible) eggs, eggs are summertime. And there is
 -
 -       thousands and thousandsof young sea birds that's come. I

 4                            own.
         have seen them with my                          And since then (indiscernible).

 -
 F                                     to
         How would you bet there is going be (indiscernible).                                             I 


 6       know they won't. Eventually there's a oil spill. All sea 


 7 
 mammals        going     crazy this point. 

                                  at

 8 
               And in   going         through            some this
                                                               of                 that I have      gone 


 9       through, employmentin my village is something like 50%.                                           And 


10 
 according to           this      summary            that

                                                           I went            through,        it   seems         like

11 
 no natives -- not going to get any benefits for. Although 

                                                            we

12 
 know     (indiscernible) have greatly helped
 by providing 

                                               us

13 
 employment        through construction, schools have been erected. 


14 
 And but mostlythe                village            here        is      mostly         on fish. 

                                                                                         depends


15 
 Every         family   here        in       the     summertime                 out

                                                                                go camp, they           are 


16 
 busy gathering fish, seals, for the wintertime. And instead 

17 
 (indiscernible) with no leases because of this (indiscernible)
18 
 that     might be, that might have happened, in the future. 

19 
 That's the least. (Indiscernible) in the middle of the state 


20       and federal land. Be right in the middle of it. State says 

21 
 they're leasing out land.                        Federal say they are proposing 

22 
 lease sale in (indiscernible). Now the federal government 

23 
 want     to     propose       the          lease      sale        right      here       in   front     of     wh
24 
 my meat comes. What testing our weak point,
don't know 

                                              I

25 
 what test (indiscernible). 

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 1 
              There is       going             to    be       lot
                                                                a of impact              andyou        never 


 2     realize     what's        going
                                     to             happen           in
 years
                                                                      10               from now, until

 3 
 15 years fromnow, whatever.                              Myself, I want to continue

 4 
 living here because that's where live, it's my land. 

                                   I

 5     Although     Prudhoe            has
                                     Bay                been     a     precious          oil      field   in     North

 6 
 America,       noneof our                natives          have       been       employed,           a 

                                                                                                       maybe


 7 
 few     people      there           in        certain        villages. 


 8 
              And   right now maybe                  two       people         are      employed       from     thi

 9 
 village, although there's a bit (indiscernible). And I call
                  now, like what Thomas has recommended, which
10 
 upon you right
11 
 I pray to myself thatis what (indiscernible). And that's
12 
 where Nuigsut livelihoodis at.                                  This area is pretty sensi­

13 
 tive to noise           and         whatnot           that        man      makes       up    here    in     the

14                I have     had         the       privilege            to     travel       all    the    way     from

15                                           ago. All the way I 

       (indiscernible) to Hope about four years

16     (indiscernible) or at one time halfway (indiscernible) we 

17     encountered       a     big         wave              it
                                                        and was so we             had     to     camp
 a
                                                                                                    for
18     couple of days because the ice that came. Just imagine
                            of
19     what will happen. Nowadays the ice pack comes in a little
20     bit   unexpected,                  we
                                   although may be maybe10 miles out, ice
21     comes in pretty fast. I think there should be some conser­
22     vation, there should be local people (indiscernible) they
23     should work togetherso that                             whenever         there's          oil   drilling
24     activities someplace thatwe closely monitor it. Eskimos
25     have been knownas experts in sea ice. Sea ice moves fast.
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                   And,     also, I have learned a lot from going with my 


 A
       parents or going out hunting with my elders. That's been 

       from the time has been passed
 to us verbal. What the
                                  on

 1     result, youknow already.                        So I oppose this lease sale

 c     providing there is             --    it's technology that is excess. Yes,

 f     sir,    technology            excess          right        now         within     the        oil       companies

 1
       that feel safe, I don't know. That's worked okay. That's

 �     fine. Let's find out what's out there before we (indiscernik

 s     sea    ice,        but   only       it      will       benefit             I, and
                                                                               you and              thatwe

1c 
 will     have -- we           will      understand               now      (indiscernible)                more         and

11 
 more to (indiscernible).                          I thank you.

12 
               MR. JEFFERY:            I have a question. You mentioned earlier

13 
 about         there     was     about 5 0 percent
                                             a                           employment            factor         in     the

14 
 village         and     then      you        mentioned            two      people         were    employed             in

15 
 oil and gas activities, is that correct?
16 
               JOE:     At the present time do, or two that know. 

                                               I               I

17 
               MR. JEFFERY: But the 50 percent employment factor 


18 
 in      the     village         did         not     mean         related       to        oil    and       gas     acti
19 
               JOE:     Fifty percent (indiscernible).
20 
               MR. JEFFERY: Thank you very much.
21 
               MR. EMERSON: Our next testifier will be Ruth Chilak.
22                 RUTH:(nativelanguage)
23 
               INTERPRETER:            I don't have muchto say but on behalf
24     of    the     people        that live
                                     I                 with       here        Nuigsut, I just
                                                                              in
                             want 

25     to    say     a
 words. 

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                   RUTH:                la
                                   (native nguage)

 .
                INTERPRETER:                   I want t o backup                    y
                                                                                      m people.

                   RUTH:                la
                                   (native nguage)

 1                 INTERPRETER:                   T h a t ' sa l l      I have t os a y .

  t                MR. EMERSON:               Thankyou               v e r y much.

 t                 The n e x t w i l l be Mark Armacot.

  1
                    AK
                   MR:            I ' m g o i n gt ot r y             andapproach              t h e stand

 E     ( i n d i s c e r n i b l e )a n d     I h a v eb e e nt e s t i f y i n ge v e rs i n c e                 way

 s back t o when t h e White Thompson l e a s e sale s t a r t e d .
1c                    ( n a t i v el a n g u a g e )

11                 A t this point I'd like                           t o s t a r t o f f by s a y i n g t h a t

12    We    theInupiatculture,in                               y
                                                              m own o p i n i o n , a r e b e i n g t r e a t e d

13    a st h i r d - c l a s sc i t i z e n s .            The r e a s o n why I s a yt h a t                 is

14 
 b e c a u s e ,f i r s t ,       a s U n i t e dS t a t e s         c i t i z e n s ; s e c o n d ,a st h e

15    S t a t e of A l a s k a c i t i z e n ; a n d , t h i r d l y , a s                  a c l a s so fo u r          own,

16 
 the          Inupiatculture"                       in-      which       . .    w e of t h a t c u l t u r e
17    shouldbe             first because               w e haveneverbeenconquerednorhave
18    w e e n t e r e di n t oa n yt r e a t yw i t ht h e                         U.S.A.       But b et h a ta s          it

19 
 may, o f a l l t h e             many s u g g e s t i o n sa n dr e c o m m e n d a t i o n s             w e make
20    on some o f t h e s e l e a s e s a l e s , p u t t i n g                      i t o nr e c o r d ,g e t t i n g

21    i n t ob l a c ka n dw h i t e ,a n d                a l l youdo              i s j u s t p u t it t h e r e ,
22    make s u r e i t ' s t h e r e .J u s tp a s s                      by i t , l o o k a t i t , maybe

23 
 make t h eb i gd e c i s i o n                 down i n t h e          Washingtonarea.                   The
24    SecretaryofInterior                           was i n s t r u c t e d t o g o a h e a d w i t h t h i s
25    OCS 5 - y e a rl e a s e dl a n d .
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 1               In    oneof the            statements                  says
                                                                       it            that    with       very     carefu

 2   Planning in        regards             to       the      human, 

                                                                  animals,              mammalsand whatnot


 3   and also forthe benefit of the nation. If it's going t o 


 4   work thatway, as you                     can        see            us
                                                                  already,
 here we                have       pay
                                                                                                             to

 5   so much for our diesel. Why is that? Since our neighbors

 6   are just right nextdoor. Is it because oil companies are

 7   transporting it down to the tank fill area down in Valdez?

 8   why can't we get the                   benefit            of       getting         a       pipeline       into     h

 9                yet, you can see
     Or even better                                                allof these              lights       here,

10   better yet if there                  is       natural             gas      right       out    here, o twhy 

                                                                                                       n     get
                                    can
11 hooked up just like Barrow? As you
 see, some of us are
12   living       in    two       different              worlds,           the       western       culture        and

13   Inupiat      culture.

14               It    is       to
                             hard live                  that      way          but    it     is    still       hard     to

15   one   way        more      than
                                  the             other,but I believe                   it       can    work    with 


16   careful planning with                        the    elders,             with      the       state,      with       th
17   federal.         We were brought in this cash economy business 

                                    up
18   so we have to           dependon the cash economy business. Some 

                                                                    of
19   our   elders           there        .never-

                                         had   seen.moneyw a y back then,                                butus
20   we grew up with money. My mother was born here. My parents
21   used to live here and they were instructed to take my bro
22   to Barrow for education, which was a mandate reason.
                                                     So,
23   therefore, they movedus to Barrow. After the Native Land
24   Claim       Settlement             we
                                      Act had an                 opportunity                to    get    together        a
25                                                          go

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 1   t o o u rs u b s i s t e n c e     way of l i f e .            I no r d e r      t o d ot h a t     w e have

 2   t o spendcash, mployment. ven
                  e          E    though                                          we d o n ' tr e a l l y       care

 3   a b o u ty o u rw h i t e        m a n ' s f o o d , w e grewup              on t h a t . B u t w e l i k e

 4      (             f
     the indiscernible) ood                          better.                                    v        c
                                                                        The n u t r i t i o n a l a l u e a n n o t

 5   be equated with the nutritional value                                      you have.

 6                  I opposethis             sale a t t h i s p r e s e n t           t i m e providing,as

 7   Joe s t a t e d e a r l i e r , l e t ' s work t o g e t h e ra n df i n do u tw h a t

 8   t e c h n o l o g y w e c a n come u p w i t h i n o r d e r                  t o cope w i t h t h e

 9   environment a t t h eo c e a n .                    W need t o s u r v i v e a s : I n u p i a t
                                                          e

10   culture.          W e have urvived
                               s                         a s I n u p i a tc u l t u r e .       And w e w i l l

11   s u r v i v e as I n u p i a tc u l t u r e .               you.
                                                             Thank

12                   R
                    M . EMERSON:                 you
                                             Thank              v e r y much.

13                  Next,SarahKuniknana.

14                  SARAH:            la
                                 (nativenguage)

15                  INTERPRETER:             I a m h o p i n gt h a t           I w i l l be of some h e l p

16   t o my people.

17                  SARAH :            l
                                 (nativeanguage)

18                  INTERPRETER:             You h a v ea l r e a d yh e a r d           m e a little w h i l e
19   a g o ,b u t     I still want t o s a ys o m e t h i n g .

20                  SARAH:            la
                                 (nativenguage)
21                  INTERPRETER:             I l i k e t o e a t t h ef o o dt h a t              I grewup
22   with.
23                  SARAH:            la
                                 (native nguage)
24                  INTERPRETER:             When you e a t f r e s ha n i m a l st h a t                are
25   freshly killed they                   are a d e l i c a c y t o u s a n d t h e y a r e                also      --
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     t h e y also g i v e           US     s t r e n g t h t o Our b o d i e s .
 1
                     SARAH:                la
                                      (nativenguage)
 2
                     INTERPRETER:                 Having aten hese nimals rom he
                                                        e    t    a      f   t                                         time
 3
     I couldremember,                     when I s t a r t e a t i n gw h i t em a n ' sf o o d                    I
 4
     always m i s s t h e Eskimofood.
 5
                     SARAH:                la
                                      (nativenguage)
 6

 7                   INTERPRETER:                 I u s e d t o h u n t a l o t b e f o r eb u t              now I

 8   huntonly           a f e w and when p e o p l e o f f e r                      m e food I am always

 9   happy

10                   SARAH:                la
                                      (native nguage)

11                   INTERPRETER:                         E      h     s     o f
                                                 W e being skimos aving hared ur ood

12   witheachother                    for a l o n g t i m e c a n n o t b e a r t o                  see t h e o t h e r

13   E s k i m o ss t a r v i n g .

14                   SARAH:                la
                                      (native nguage)

15                   INTERPRETER:                U p t o now e v e no u ry o u n g e rp e o p l eh e r e

16   when t h e yh a v eh u n t e da n dt h e yh a v ec a u g h t                           either fresh

17   animals or anythingfreshfromthelandorfromthe                                                           Ocean

18   t h e yg i v e     some t o t h e i r e l d e r s .                    They d o n ' th a v et o        buy it.

19                   SARAH:                la
                                      (native nguage)

20                   INTERPRETER:                D u r i n gt h es p r i n g t i m e        w e c a nh a r d l yw a i t

21   f o r t h e month of June to come, t h i n k i n g o f t h e a n i m a l s t h a t

22   w i l l becoming.
23                   SARAH:              la
                                    (native nguage)

24                   INTERPRETER:               All summer l o n g ' t i l f a l l t i m e t h e

25   animalshave               come up.
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 1                     SARAH:         ( n a t i v e language)

 2                     INTERPRETER:           Even t h ea n i m a l st h a t             came upfrominland

 7 
   go down t o t h e o c e a n d u r i n g t h e                 fall time.

 4                     SARAH:              la
                                      (native nguage)

 5                     INTERPRETER:           Hoping t h a t t h i s             w i l l be of h e l p t o t h i s

 6     lease s a l e , t h a t i s what I have t o s a y .

 7                     SARAH:              la
                                      (native nguage)

 8                     INTERPRETER:           Having been r a i s e dn e a rP r u d h o e                 Bay,

 9     therehas              been anabundance                 of a n i m a l s when I w a s growingup

10     a r o u n dt h e r e .A n i m a l s           were a r o u n du sa l ly e a r - r o u n d .

11                     SARAH:              la
                                      (native nguage)

12                     INTERPRETER:           H a v i n gb e e nr a i s e di n           C r o s s I s l a n dw i t h

13     my p a r e n t sa n d        m brothersand
                                     y                                               e
                                                                    s i s t e r s , w h a v en e v e r      known

14 
 hungeraround                 that area.

15                     SARAH:              la
                                      (native nguage)

16                     INTERPRETER:           And, a l s o , t h ef o x e st h a t                we trapped
17     c o u l d be t r a d e d o r s o l d t o t h e s t o r e s i n abundance.

18                     SARAH:              la
                                      (native nguage)

19     ( T a p er a no u t        -   n o t h i n go ns i d e         2 of t a p e 2 )

20                     MR.    EMERSON:        Bessie E r i k l o g .

21                     BESSIE:              la
                                       (native nguage)
22                     INTERPRETER:            I want t o h e l pt h ep e o p l et h a t                 are
23     opposed t o t h e l e a s e s a l e .                  I , m y s e l f , a m o p p o s i n g it.         I

24     h a v el i v e dh e r ef r o m          1 9 2 0 t o 1 9 5 0 and I know
                                                                            how                      t o hunton
25     theoceanandonthelandthatsurroundsthis                                                  a r e a , and I
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    m
 1 a stronglyopposingtheleasesale.

 2                     BESSIE:                la
                                         (nativenguage)

 3                     INTERPRETER:                I h a v eh e l p e df o r           t w o y e a r s when t h e y

 4       f i r s t s t a r t e d mapping o u t t h i s a r e a w i t h t h e p e o p l e                        from t h e

 5       NorthSlope             o i l a n dw i t ht h eo t h e r               o i l people.             Eventhough

 6       it hasbeendangeroussometimes,eventhough                                                   I was t i r e d , I

 7       havehelpedthem                   map t h i s a r e a .

 8                     BESSIE:                la
                                         (nativenguage)

 9                     INTERPRETER:                D u r i n gt h ew i n t e r         we d o n ' tl i v ea t

10       Powtou b u t w e h a v eh u n t e da r o u n dt h a ta r e aa n d                              I am really

11 o p p o s i n gt h e           sale.

12                     BESSIE:           (native language)

13                     INTERPRETER:                And t h a t ' s all I have t os a y .

14                     MR.    EMERSON:               you.
                                                 Thank

15                     T h a t ' s a l l t h ep e o p l et h a t              w e h a v er e g 5 s t e r e d : t o . :   -

16       testify.            Is t h e r ea n y o n et h a tw o u l d               still l i k e t o s a y

17       something?               Okay.
18                     AUDIENCE MEMBER:                      I ' m Isa S r e a l i t h .
19                     MR.    EMERSON:             Would you s p e l ly o u rl a s t                    name, p l e a s e ?
20                     ISA:       S-r-e-a-l-i-t-h.
21                     MR.    JEFFERY:                    w your
                                                   And what as                         f i r s t name?
22                     ISA:       I s a , I-s-a.
23                     ( n a t i v el a n g u a g e )
24                     INTERPRETER:                    I d o n ' th a v e     much t o s a yb u t           I want t o ,

25       on b e h a l fo f       m p e o p l eh e r e ,
                                  y                                  I am opposingtheleasesale.
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 1 
 'hat's all.
 2 
             MR.        EMERSON:             y
                                             Thank ou              v e r y much.

 3 
             Is t h e r ea n y o n e          else i n t h e a u d i e n c e t h a t            would l i k e

 4 
 o s p e a k o n t h i sp r o p o s e d l e a s e s a l e ?
 5 
               INTERPRETER:                Her name i s Nanny Woods,

 6                 MR.       JEFFERY:          Could w e h a v et h es p e l l i n g                on h e r l a s t

 7 
 name?
 8 
                  INTERPRETER:             On the l a s t name?

 9 
               MR.       JEFFERY:          Yes.

10 
                  INTERPRETER:             W-o-o-d-s.

11 
                  I want t o be of h e l p t o                   these p e o p l e o n t h i s         o i l sale.

12 
               MS.       WOODS:                     a
                                            ( n a t i vle n g u a g e )

13 
                  INTERPRETER:              The p e o p l eh e r eh a v ea l r e a d ys a i d                  a lot

14 
 t o n i g h t
15 
                  MS     WOODS :              e
                                            (nativlanguage)

16 
                  INTERPRETER:              T h e yh a v ea l r e a d yt a l k e da b o u tt h e
17 
 r i v e r s t h a t c o n t a i n        and t h e a n i m a l s t h a t t h e y h a v e h u n t e d
18 
 a r o u n dh e r e ,e v e nd u r i n gs p r i n g t i m e .

19 
                  MS , WOODS:                 l
                                            (nativeanguage)
20 
                  INTERPRETER:              She wants t o know i f you p e o p l e know
21 
 t h a t s h e h a s       a house by C r o s sI s l a n d ,
22 
                  MS.    WOODS:         No,        by t h e D e l t a R i v e r .
23 
                  INTERPRETER:                           D       R
                                                  O r by t h e e l t a i v e r .
24 
                  MS.    WOODS:         Yes.                la
                                                           (native nguage)
25 
                  INTERPRETER:              H e r husband i s b u r i e dt h e r e                 a t t h ep l a c e
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 1     t h a t Delta.

 2                 MS. WOODS:            No, C o l v i l l e R i v e r .

 3                 INTERPRETER:              C o l v i l l e River d e l t a .

 4                      O D:
                   MS. W O S             Yes.               la
                                                      (native nguage)

 5                 INTERPRETER:              W go down t h e r ed u r i n gt h e
                                              e                                                     summer when

 6     the fishing         season i s on.

 7                      O D:
                   MS. W O S              ( n a t i vlea n g u a g e )

 8 
               INTERPRETER:              And e v e nd u r i n gt h e              w i n t e r s t h e yn e t

 9     f o r f i s h down t h e r e .

10                 MS.    O D:
                         W O S            ( n a t i vlea n g u a g e )

11                 INTERPRETER:              I a m opposed t o t h e lease s a l e .                          My

12     house i s r i g h t a r o u n d t h a t a r e a .

13                 MR.   EMERSON:            Is t h e r e n y o n e
                                                         a                     e l s e t h a t would l i k e

14     to testify?

15                 Okay, w e want t o t h a n k you                      --    o h ,p a r d o n   me, a l l

16     right.

17                 INTERPRETER:                   A         A-h-k-i-v-i-a-n-a.
                                             Louise hkiviana,

18                 LOUISE:               la
                                    (nativenguage)

19                 INTERPRETER:               y
                                             M c h i l d r e nb e i n gh e r ea n d                y
                                                                                                  m husband

20     havinglivedhere,                  I am reallyenjoyingthatplacehere.

21                 LOUISE:               la
                                    (nativenguage)
22                 INTERPRETER:              She
                                               wanted                 t o s a yt h a ts h e       i s opposed
23     to theleasesale                 o nb e h a l fo fh e r s e l fa n dt h ep e o p l et h a t
24     sheliveswith.
25                 MR.    EMERSON:               y
                                             Thank ou            v e r y much.            A c o u p l e of
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 1   peopleindicatedthatthey                              would l i k e t o s p e a k a g a i n a f t e r

 2   t h e yh e a r d    some o ft h eo t h e r                folks.         All r i g h t .

 3                Stateyour            name a g a i n , p l e a s e .

 4                EDWARD:               Dukakpigak.
                                    Edward

 5                 ( n a t i v el a n g u a g e )

 6                INTERPRETER:                H e i s t o t a l l ya g a i n s tt h el e a s es a l e

 7   of t h a t a r e a .

 8                EDWARD:                la
                                    (nativenguage)

 9                INTERPRETER:                Being a C a p t a i n of a w h a l i n g crew and

10   a l s o knowing how t o c a t c h a whale.

11                EDWARD:                la
                                    [nativenguage)

12                INTERPRETER:                I n t h e e v e n tt h a t         i n t h ef u t u r et h a t
13   I mightwant              t o g ow h a l i n go u tt h e r ea g a i n ,               I do n o tw a n t

14   t h e d r i l l e r s t o be i n m way.
                                       y

15                EDWARD:                la
                                    (native nguage)

16                INTERPRETER:                There i s no way t o b e n e a r t h e d r i l l e r s
17   when youwant               t o goouthuntingandiftheystartdrilling
18   out there, all              you c a n do i s l o o k a t t h e a n i m a l s i n s t e a d                    of
19   huntingthem.
20                EDWARD:                la
                                    (native nguage)
21                INTERPRETER:                Having l o t of sons t o be       a
                                                                         whalers, nd
22   w a n t i n g t o s t a r t a w h a l i n g c r e w a g a i n , I have a l o t of
23   s o n s , t h a t I wantthem                   t o b ew h a l e r s ,      I d on o tw a n ta n y t h i n g
24   to get in the             way.
25                EDWARD:                la
                                    (nativenguage)
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 1                INTERPRETER:                 I f theywanttodrillaround                           t h e land

 2   the!        a nd o      s o , b u t I do n ' t want t o w o r r ya b o u tt h ep e o p l e

 3   drilling out in the ocean.

 4                EDWARD:                 la
                                     (nativenguage)

 5                INTERPRETER:                 When t h e o i l company p e o p l e come h e r e

 6   t h e yh a v e   made p r o m i s e s t o m s o n s t h a t t h e y w o u l d g e t
                                                y                                                           jobs,

 7   b u t now t h e y a r e           still withoutjobs.

 8                EDWARD:                 la
                                     (native nguage)

 9                INTERPRETER:                 Even i f w e d i dp r o c e e dw i t ht h el e a s e

10   sale I d on o tw a n ta n yo ft h e i r                         money b e c a u s e I d on o t

11   wantthem             t o disturb theanimalshere.

12                EDWARD:                 la
                                     (native nguage)

13                INTERPRETER:                 Looking a t t h e s t a t e s              o p
                                                                                       and ur eople

14   hereandthe               way t h e i r g a r d e n s a n d          t h e i r a n i m a l sh a v ed i e d

15   outinthe              cold s e a s o n , I d o n ' tw a n tt h eU n i t e dS t a t e sa n d

16   ourpeopleheretodiestarving.
17                EDWARD:                 la
                                     (nativenguage)
18                INTERPRETER:                 H e i s n o to p p o s e d       to t h ed r i l l i n gt h a t
19   c a nb e d o n ei n l a n da s l o n g a s t h e ya v o i dt h er i v e r sw h e r e
20   therearefishingandhuntingareas,buthe                                                i s r e a l l y opposed
21   to the sale that                  youhaveonyour                   map.
22                EDWARD:                 la
                                     (nativenguage)
23                INTERPRETER:                 H e is o p p o s i n gt h el e a s e         sale.
24                MR. EMERSON:                     you.
                                               Thank
25                SARAH:                la
                                   (nativenguage)
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               1                INTERPRETER:                                        two
                                                           Having a b r o t h e r and younger

               2   siblingsaround                Cape H a l k e t t , s h e          is reallyopposedtothat

               3   area andshe             is dissatisfied,too,aboutthepeoplethat                                              are

               4   goingtobemakingtheplatformsforunloadingaroundthat

               5   area.

               6                SARAH:               la
                                                (native nguage)

               7                INTERPRETER:               I ft h e y ' r eg o i n gt ob em a k i n gp l a t f o r m s

               8   f o r u n l o a d i n g , t h e y s h o u l da v o i d           Cape H a l k e t ta r e a b e c a u s e

               9   therearealsoregulationsthatprohibitdoingthat,                                                         es­

              10   p e c i a l l y when t h e r e are g r a v e s i t e s t o                be       considered.

              11                SARAH:               la
                                                (nativenguage)

              12                INTERPRETER:               T h e r ea r eq u i t e          a few g r a v e s i t e s a t

              13   thatarea,rightnearthefuel                                   l i n e sit-e.

              14                SARAH:               la
                                                (nativenguage)

              15                INTERPRETER:               Even t h o u g ht h ew h i t ep e o p l eh a v e

              16   looked a t t h e g r a v e s i t e s e v e n b e f o r e t h e y h a v e s t a r t e d
              17   b u i l d i n g ,t h e yh a v ef u e lt h e r e .
              18                SARAH:               la
                                                (native nguage)
              19                INTERPRETER:               And i ft h e ya r eg o i n g                t o do t h i s t h e y
              20   shouldtotallydestroyeverything,eventhegravemarker,

aves.   the   21   even                                                                           I



              22                SARAH:               la
                                                (nativenguage)
              23                 INTERPRETER:               She w a n t sa ne x p l a n a t i o n            o r ananswer
              24   ifthepeoplethataregoing                                  to be drilling              or gettinggrave:
              25   outfromthatarea,                       are theygoing                to destroythegravesites
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 1 
that       are          on
                      located that                    area?

 2               R
                M . EMERSON(?):                    No, these areas are designated and

 3     they    wouldn't         be      allowedo have
                                              t                        that     kind activity
                                                                                   of                       occur 


 4     there. 


 5 
            SARAH:          (nativelanguage)

 6 
            INTERPRETER: Even though there are regulations 

 7 
 stating         that,       they        are       still           going     to     make     platforms          arou
 8 
 that area. 


 9 
            VOICE:                                 area. 

                                She means the lease sale

10 
            SARAH:          (nativelanguage)
11 
            INTERPXETER: She's talking about how you're going to 

12 
 be   transporting ifyou                       start       drilling           out     there       and    making
13 
 causeways or make                  platforms,              which          route      are     you       going     to
14 be taking if you're going
 be taking the (indiscernible) 

                           to
15     route    or     are        you       going         to      where         the     gravesites           are? 

16              UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: If the gravesites are known, the 

17     location       is      known,          why,        there          be

                                                                        wouldno construction acti­

18     vity occurring there. That includes transportation like 

19     pipeline       routing           would         not       proceed          over     that        area. 

20              SARAH:          (nativelanguage)
21              INTERPRETER: She does not want any activity going on
22     through       Cape      Halkett             and     if      there
                                                                     is any         way        that   you     can 

23     avoid going through there, if there's any activities going
24     there,     she       really          wants         that         place      off     limits. 

25              SARAH:           (nativelanguage)
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              INTERPRETER:               And o nt h o s e ,t h i n k i n go ft h e s et h a t

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                                             Thank ou            v e r y much.

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              Is t h e r ea n y o n e           e l s e t h a t would l i k e t o addsomething

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              I want t o t h a n k you f o r y o u r p a r t i c i p a t i o n i n t h e s e

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 hearings.           R e m e m b e r t h a t , a l s o , i f you have
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 by F e b r u a r y 2 t h .
                      1                       Thank you a g a i n o r
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