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Hari Bolo Friends of the Vedas!

Please accept my respects. All glory to the transcendental light of the Bhagavad-Gita as It Is!
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:30pm

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The Tolerance of Lord Christ

       Many people reject religion because they mistakenly believe that all faiths insist that their
theology alone is the “Only Way.” The Vedas however illustrate that one will wander all over
the universe endlessly until they tire from material suffering. Then they will finally be willing to
accept good instruction and surrender to a qualified teacher like Lord Christ who can lead them
back to Godhead. This year celebrate His gift to the world with AVA! Always Free! Call: 640-

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The Tolerance of Lord Christ

Prelude to This Month’s Feature Article

December 25, Is Not The Birthday For Jesus!

         This is the time of the year when people from all over the world celebrate the ceremonial
date for the birth of Lord Christ. I say ceremonial because the actual date when Jesus was born
isn't really known. December 25 was the date that got established as a practical matter for
integrating His teachings into the celebrations of the day. Dec 25 was the day that the Romans
celebrated “Saturnalia” in the third century. That celebration honored the Sun God, and it was a
convenient date for the early Christian priests to conduct mass because everybody had the “Day
Off” to celebrate that Roman Holiday. Eventually the Roman Empire collapsed and the
Christian mass pushed forward and became known as; "Christ-Mass." Historians have several
theories about when they think Jesus was actually born but they do not agree on any single day.
Some say it was in early January, others say late September, and yet others suggest that it wasn't
even the inauguration of the Gregorian calendar because they believe he appeared two years
earlier that Jan. 1, 0!

Reasonable Assumption?

        The fact that scholars disagree about the exact date when Christ was born raises some
serious questions about the reliability of the entire birth story retold in the four gospels. We are
requested to accept the stories submitted by Mathew, Mark, Luke & John as accurate retellings
about the appearance of Lord Christ. But how good could their reporting skills be if they
couldn't even remember to clearly document what day of the year this most sacred event
supposedly occurred on?

        Dates related to events that are important to us generally get burned into our memory
because of their emotional significance. That is why we tend to automatically remember the
date we got married on, when our children are born, when we have a serious accident, or major
historic events like December 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor) or September 11, 2001 (NY Trade Center).

        Is it reasonable to assume that “Reliable Witnesses" of the "Star of Bethlehem,” the
“Gifts of the Wise Men,” and the “Virgin Birth" would completely space out on the day these
extraordinary events occurred on? Jimmie Olsen would never get away with this type of sloppy

Achilles Heal For Christians & Atheists

        This is just one of the many important questions that people are starting to ask in regards
to the origin and reliability of Biblical theology. Unfortunately questions like these have
become the Achilles heel for Christianity as anyone familiar with the content found in the
atheistic publications that have flooded into the market especially over the last few years.
        For this reason Vaishnavas stick to the more scientifically reliable authority of the Vedas
for clear spiritual guidance. A lot of the criticism that Christianity has been subjected to just
simply doesn't apply to Vedic Theology. Atheists generally have NO exposure to the God-Based
philosophy that the sages concurred on and that lack of knowledge has become their own
Achilles heel! One of the reasons why Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion) rejected the Bible
because was because he considered it to be so pathetically simple and mundane that he expects to
see something much more awe inspiring from the all-mighty powerful supreme God! If Mr.
Dawkins were adequately educated about the content of the Purana's alone, he simply could not
make this argument. The Scientific content of the Vedas is so much more significant the what is
available in the Bible he would have to concede that his atheistic viewpoints about God would
require a much more serious reconsideration.

Focus on the "Message” not the “Introduction"

          Prominent Christian leaders are always urgency stating how essential the resurrection of
Christ is in regards to providing a foundation for Christianity theology. They will say: "Had
Jesus never risen from the grave, there wouldn’t be a basis for Christianity!" But a Vaishnava is
not concerned about the facts related to the birth or death of Lord Christ because that isn't what
made Him so special. If a Tsunami is about to hit, nobody cares who the messenger is, what
their career is, who their parents were, or what social class they came from. The only thing that
is important is the reliability of the information the messenger provides about the Tsunami itself!

        So regardless of our suspicions related to the spiritual accuracy of the Bible, Vaishnavas
are very generous about acknowledging the contribution of a very advanced devotee such as
Lord Christ. They don't get entangled into the "Need" to even prove that Jesus existed because
that isn't the real point. Based on what we are told about the character of Jesus Christ and the
things he allegedly taught, we can understand that any person who portrays that caliber of
awareness and behavior is a Shaktavisha Avaatara. (Eternally Liberated Soul)

       Therefore it is very easy for a devotee of Lord Krishna to also fully accept the personality
of Lord Jesus Christ as our Guru. That is because he had all the symptoms of an ideal devotee
so much he was even willing to give his life in service to God. His whole mission was focused
on awakening the rest of the world to the process of restoring their own lost relationship with the
Supreme Personality of Godhead, and that is the real symptom of an exalted pure devotee!
Jesus Christ Is Our Guru

       This month we have an opportunity to sit in on an intimate conversation with His Divine
Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami where he confirms how Vaishnavas respect both the person
and teachings of Lord Jesus Christ. If you listen to this after reading the main article below,
you will hear where some of the statements transcribed in this commentary originally came from.

This Issue HOT LINK #2: Jesus Christ Is Our Guru
Main Article By HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

The Tolerance and Compassion of Christ

        The Srimad-Bhagavatam states that any bona fide preacher of God consciousness must
have the qualities of titiksa (tolerance) and karuna (compassion). In the character of Lord Jesus
Christ we find both these qualities. He was so tolerant that even while he was being crucified, he
didn't condemn anyone. And he was so compassionate that he prayed to God to forgive the very
persons who were trying to kill him. (Of course, they could not actually kill him. But they were
thinking that he could be killed, so they were committing a great offense.) As Christ was being
crucified he prayed, "Father, forgive them. They know not what they are doing."

Christ, the Friend of All Living Beings

        A preacher of God consciousness is a friend to all living beings. Lord Jesus Christ
exemplified this by teaching, "Thou shall not kill." But the Christians like to misinterpret this
instruction. They think the animals have no soul, and therefore they think they can freely kill
billions of innocent animals in the slaughterhouses. So although there are many persons who
profess to be Christians, it would be very difficult to find one who strictly follows the
instructions of Lord Jesus Christ.

Christ Goes On Suffering for Your Sins?

       A Vaisnava [a pure devotee of the Lord] is unhappy to see the suffering of others.
Therefore, Lord Jesus Christ agreed to be crucified -- to free others from their suffering. But his
followers are so unfaithful that they have decided, "Let Christ suffer for us, and we'll go on
committing sin." They love Christ so much that they think, "My dear Christ, we are very weak.
We cannot give up our sinful activities. So you please suffer for us."

        Jesus Christ taught, "Thou shalt not kill." But his followers have now decided, "Let us
kill anyway," and they open big, modern, scientific slaughterhouses. "If there is any sin, Christ
will suffer for us." This is a most abominable conclusion.

         Christ can take the sufferings for the previous sins of his devotees. But first they have to
be sane: "Why should I put Jesus Christ into suffering for my sins? Let me slop my sinful

        Suppose a man -- the favorite son of his father -- commits a murder. And suppose he
thinks, "If there is any punishment coming, my father can suffer for me." Will the law allow it?
When the murderer is arrested and says, "No, no. You can release me and arrest my father; I am
his pet son," will the police officials comply with that fool's request? He committed the murder,
but he thinks his father should suffer the punishment! Is that a sane proposal? "No. You have
committed the murder; you must be hanged." Similarly, when you commit sinful activities, you
must suffer -- not Jesus Christ. This is God's law.

We Adore Lord Jesus Christ
        Jesus Christ was such a great personality -- the son of God, the representative of God. He
had no fault. Still, he was crucified. He wanted to deliver God consciousness, but in return they
crucified him -- they were so thankless. They could not appreciate his preaching. But we
appreciate him and give him all honor as the representative of God.

        Of course, the message that Christ preached was just according to his particular time,
place, and country, and just suited for a particular group of people. But certainly he is the
representative of God. Therefore we adore Lord Jesus Christ and offer our obeisances to him.
Jesus Is Our Guru

        Once, in Melbourne, a group of Christian ministers came to visit me. They asked, "What
is your idea of Jesus Christ?" I told them, "He is our guru. He is preaching God consciousness,
so he is our spiritual master." The ministers very much appreciated that.

        Actually, anyone who is preaching God's glories must be accepted as a guru, Jesus Christ
is one such great personality. We should not think of him as an ordinary human being. The
scriptures say that anyone who considers the spiritual master to be an ordinary man has a hellish
mentality. If Jesus Christ were an ordinary man, then he could not have delivered God

Krsna or Christ, the Name Is the Same

       Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, and Christos is the Greek version of the
word Krsta. When an Indian person calls on Krsna, he often says "Krsta." Krsta is a Sanskrit
word meaning "the object of attraction." So when we address God as "Christ," "Krsta," or
"Krsna," we indicate the same all-attractive Supreme Personality of Godhead. When Jesus said,
"Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name," that name of God was Krsta or Krsna.
"Christ" is simply another way of saying "Krsta," and "Krsta" is another way of pronouncing

        Therefore, the Christian clergymen should cooperate with the Krsna consciousness
movement. They should chant the name Christ or Christos and should stop condoning the
slaughter of animals. This is not some philosophy that I have fabricated; it is taught in the Bible.
If the Christians follow these principles, the world situation will improve. If they simply stop
killing animals and chant the holy name of Christ, everything will be perfect. The Bible also
demands this. So the Christians should cooperate with us and chant.

        Actually, it doesn't matter -- Krsna or Christ -- the name is the same. The main point is to
chant the name of God. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna,
Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare /Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.
"The Tolerance Of Lord Christ"

(BTG #12-12, 1977)

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This Issue Thoughtful Quote

 “So Vedas and scriptures are there, differently, according to different conditions. Now, what
Jesus Christ was teaching the people? You can understand. The first injunction is "Thou shalt not
kill." So what class of men they were, just you can understand. Otherwise, why he is first of all
telling "Thou shalt not kill"? The Mohammed also said, "From this day, there is no sex with
your mother." So just see what class of men. So according to class of men, there should be
teaching. Similarly, Buddha also, Lord Buddha said, "No, no, there is no God. Just try to
understand me. You obey Me." "Yes, sir." It has to be done like that.” - HDG A.C.Bhaktivedanta
Swami, Room Conversation with Prof. Regamay, Professor of Sanskrit at the University of
Lausanne - June 4, 1974, Geneva

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7.1. Your Ever Well Wisher (Purvaciti)

   In 1965 Bhaktivedanta Swami came to the United States and brought the Science of Self
Realization taught in the Vedas by Lord Krishna with him. This show documents how he
translated India's most profound sacred scriptures, became a world class authority on Bhakti
Yoga, and became the well wisher for thousands of people worldwide.

India’s Manipuri Dancers
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Polish Festival Of India (Purvaciti)

    In Poland it is against the law to speak openly at any large public gatherings about God or
religion. Yet, regardless of the danger of doing that, the devotees of Lord Krishna have found an
extraordinary way to teach how to love God and the essence of Vedic culture holding large
entertaining public events that have been carefully choreographed to indirectly expose the
audiences to these restricted subjects. This show captures all the magic of how that is done and
gives the viewer a peek at all the fun, drama, music, dance, and pageantry that makes up the
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enchant the young and intrigue the curious! We also get an impressive backstage view of the
dedicated efforts made by those who work long, hard and sleepless nights with out remuneration,
to put on this big free public event every year! The show includes a convincing display of how
receptive the people of Poland are towards the philosophy of God Consciousness, the devotional
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Krishna” which is the first step in restoring one's long lost relationship with the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krishna!

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Satsanga With AC Bhaktivedanta Swami:

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Abhay starts working as a Pharmaceutical Assistant

           Abhay accepts a position as clerk in a pharmacy owned by his fathers friend and
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responsibilities and is not only trusted greatly but depended on for his contribution to the firm.
His wife gives birth to his first son which is a cause for great celebration and Abhay becomes
even more involved in the Hindu protest movement to expunge the British. Meanwhile
Bhaktisiddhanta stature continues to increase and he is invited to visit with a local King. While
waiting for his audience, he encounters some British officials who speak with such contempt for
the people of India, that Bhaktisiddhanta is compelled to chastise them for their haughty attitude
and extremely rude behavior! He boldly tells them that they are so foolish and mundane that
they are completely beyond the ability to comprehend the transcendent nature of the Self.

OJAI Channel 10 Monday 6pm December 22th, 2008

Abhay Meets His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami

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Maharaja who was known as the “Lion Guru” and inspired the opening of 64 Gaudia Math
temples throughout India. Abhay is very impressed by this magnanimous personality and
inquires from him about how to respond to the British occupation. Bhaktisiddhanta points out
that removing the British from India will not lead to the freedom everyone seeks. He helps
Abhay understand how such mundane solutions to life's problems will only lead to a different
collection of misguided politicians regardless of what nationally they come from. Abhay
moves to Alahabad and accepts Bhaktisiddhanta as his spiritual master in his heart.

        Although he continues to work as a pharmaceutical representative, he slowly begins to
shift the focus of his life's efforts towards propagating the Sankirtan movement of Lord Caitanya

OJAI Channel 10 Monday 6pm December 29th, 2008

Abhay Assists in the Sankirtan Mission of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu

        Abhay proves to be an effective businessman and starts using those skills in the service of
Krishna to help establish temples under the tutelage of Bhaktisiddhanta and his senior disciples.
He decides to go to Mathura so see Bhaktisiddhanta again, where he is also formally accepted as
his disciple and makes the arrangements to become formally initiated in the near future.
However his wife Radharani reveals that she is more interested in drinking tea then in
distributing the pure message of Hari Nama. That leads to serious personal conflicts for Abhay
who starts to realize that he must resolve his family difficulties if he wishes to pursue his
spiritual interests seriously.

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Invitation to Fellow Vaishnavas!

        Vaishnavas who have experience speaking on the transcendental name, fame, and
pastimes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna are invited to contact AVA if
you would like to speak atone of our programs. The AVA congregation meets on the first and
third Tuesdays of the month with special events held to celebrate Janmastami and Gour Purnima.
If you are in the area, or would like to visit with us for the evening, please let us know of that
desire and we will schedule a date and work out the details for when you can speak.

This invitation is extended to any male of female initiated member of Lord Caitanya's Brahma-
Madva Gaudia Sampraday Sankirtan tree. Our mood is that of transcendental collaboration for
the glorification of Krishna sans niti-katha. Those who are interested in leading kirtan, or
assisting in the preparation of the FREE Vegetarian feast are also invited to contact us so we can
make the necessary arrangements to accommodate you.

Vegetarian Cooking!

       We are happy to see how nicely the AVA congregational members are improving their
Vegetarian culinary skills! Adopting a diet that allows other creatures to live their lives
peacefully is a tradition that extends way back in both Vedic as well as Buddhist traditions. One
would think that all serious transcendentalists would understand this simple principal, but
unfortunately that does not appear to be true.

Educating people about the importance of a Vegetarian diet is essential for anyone who is serious
about escaping the serious laws of karma delineated in the Vedas. Unfortunately there are many
teachers who will compromise the importance of the Vegetarian diet in order to attract more
followers and promote their own watered down ideas about what real spiritual maturity is all

AVA is committed to teaching the science of Self Realization the way it has been handed down
and respected by the great sages for thousands of generations. That is why part of the service
we offer is to teach anyone who is interested in this process how to eat properly.

Those who are raised in a carnivorous society but then want to convert to a Vegetarian diet often
experience a lot of cognitive dissonance. On one hand, they are intellectually convinced that they
ought to be a vegetarian, but they simply don't know how to convert their diet over to that
lifestyle. Instead of postponing that on-going dilemma, why not consider learning how to cook
wonderful Vegetarian foods using herbs and spices that not only taste good, but also make eating
a tremendously fulfilling experience! You can do that prior to any AVA meeting where we
always prepare a nice meal for all the guests who attend. Those who want to learn this
tremendous skill are advised to contact us 36 hours prior to the AVA event so we can tell you
what and when we will be cooking for that program. You can then join us at that time and start
learning how to adopt the eating habits recommended in the Vedas for Human life, which is also
the most beneficial for rapid spiritual maturity. :-)

Public Engagements?

        As the AVA newsletter continues to find new audiences, some have asked about the
possibility of bringing the subjects we discuss into other gatherings. If it is possible to schedule
those requests we will be happy to do so as part of our service to the community. For this
purpose AVA has compiled a list of contemporary subjects for which we have essays, books,
charts, graphs, and in some cases, videos to augment our presentations. For more information
about scheduling an engagement to learn more about the Vedic Siddhanta (conclusion) please
contact us directly.

Suggest A Subject?

        Many of the subjects we cover in the "AVA Newsletter" come from questions or topics
that are only vaguely commented on by other sources. If you have a subject you would like us
to address, please send the question in to us and we will consider it for a future AVA topic.
Simple questions are also addressed during the "Bhagavad-Gita Fellowship" meetings for the
benefit of all those who attend.

Vedic Authority

What makes the AVA program different from all other contemporary sources of transcendental
learning? We rely on the methodical, thorough and scientific way the Vedas portray the world
we live in. The Vedas are so vast, and unlike any other literature known to man, they are often
criticized as confusing and esoteric. But this is because the secret of the Vedas can only be
unlocked by one who has been properly trained how to "decode" them. Although that sounds
like an exhausting study, it is actually quite easy if the candidate is willing to accept instruction
from a good source. In fact, the path of Bhakti (Loving Devotion to the Supreme Lord in His
Personal Form) is so powerful that the essences of all the Vedas become automatically realized
to that soul who surrenders to the Personality of Godhead and engages in devotional service to

"A person who accepts the path of devotional service is not bereft of the results derived from
studying the Vedas, performing austere sacrifices, giving charity or perusing philosophical and
furtive activities. Simply by performing devotional service he attains all these and at the end he
reaches the supreme eternal abode." - Bhagavad-Gita Gita As It Is Chapter 8 "Attaining the
Supreme" Text 28.

To grow transcendentally requires a reliable authority like the Bhagavad-Gita, (The torchlight of
knowledge, Bg. 10.11) One is free to reject Vedic authority, but the consequences of doing so
returns one to the words of speculation, conjecture, flawed empirical analysis, and a plethora of
silly ideas about what spiritual life is from psycho-therapists, self declared gurus, charlatans, and
carpetbag religionists, to name just a few.

Back Issues of AVA Newsletter

The subjects that we have already covered in 2005 are also included at the end of this newsletter.
If you would like a digital copy of a past "AVA Newsletter," let us know and we will be happy
to forward it to you for your further erudition.


Honor & Respect All the Magnanimous Souls

The American Vedic Association is an humble attempt to carry on with the mission of His
Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna unambiguously

udarah sarva evaite jnani tv atmaiva me matam
asthitah sa hi yuktatma mam evanuttamam gatim

"All these devotees are undoubtedly magnanimous souls, but he who is situated in knowledge of
Me I consider to be just like My own self. Being engaged in My transcendental service, he is
sure to attain Me, the highest and most perfect goal." - Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Chapter7
“Knowledge of the Absolute’, Text 18. LINK:

        It is therefore clear that anyone who is properly trained in the science of self realization
as handed down in the Gaudia Vaishnav tradition is a "Magnanimous Soul" and therefore
deserves all respects. Based on this simple fact the American Vedic Association welcomes all
Vaishnavas to participate in AVA events regardless of which branch on Lord Caitanya's
sankirtan tree they may have studied with.
        To any close observer it is evident that His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
single handedly completely revolutionized the concept of yoga, meditation, Self Realization and
religion in the Western world. He did this by introducing the Vedic Siddhanta which clearly
delineates the three different levels of God Realization which culminates in Bhagavan

"Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman1,
Paramatma2 or Bhagavatam3. -Srimad Bhagavat Purana Canto 1, "Creation" , Chapter 2,
"Divinity & Divine Service", Text 11. LINK:

        The symptoms of Bhagavan Realization are evident when the aspiring transcendentalist
finally understands, accepts, and surrenders to Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
"And of all yogis, the one with great faith who always abides in Me, thinks of ME within
himself, and renders transcendental loving service to Me, He is the most intimately united with
Me in yoga and is the highest of all. That is My opinion. - Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Chapter 6
“Sankya Yoga’, Text 47. LINK:

Expose the Shortcomings of Impersonalism and Voidism

Based on the strength of the Vedas, Bhaktivedanta Swami also taught that the greatest threat to
the welfare of the world, society, economy and world peace etc, was the irrational self-centered
sophistry of the Non-Dual and voidists schools of transcendence. This is further confirmed by
Lord Caitanya Himself:

"Sripad Sankaracaray has describe all the Vedic Literatures in terms of indirect meanings. One
who hears such explanations is ruined." – Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Adi Lila, Chapter 7. "Lord
Caitanya in Five Features" Text 109" .LINK:
"Sankaracarya, who is an incarnation of Lord Siva is faultless because he is a servant carrying
out the orders of the Lord. But those who follow his Mayavadi Philosophy are doomed. They
will lose all their advancement in spiritual knowledge." - Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita Adi Lila,
Chapter 7. "Lord Caitanya in Five Features" Text 114" .LINK:

 The Non-Dual Advaita school was introduced by Sankaracarya and is also referred to as
Mayavadi philosophy. The Voidist traditions are taught primarily by the followers of Lord
Buddha. It is ironic that Sripad Sankaracarya is accepted as Lord Siva working under the
instruction of Lord Krishna for the specific purpose of deluding those who are not willing to
surrender. It is equally curious that Lord Buddha is also accepted as an incarnation of Lord
Krishna. In both cases Krishna has tricking those who can not grasp his original form as the
Surpreme Personalty of Godhead. By appearing in these forms he has made it possible every for
the impersonaist to appreciate Him indirectly in a less personal way as one of his immediate
expansions. Both of these points make for an interesting discussion but I will not elaborate on
this any more here.
It is primarily because the followers of Christianity and Islam have failed so miserably to set a
good example that the mass of the population is turning away from the classic "God" centered
religions and are now starting to adopt these atheistic faiths. The alternative to this dire
scenario requires rethinking the prudence of embracing impersonalism and voidism but as stated
above, once the mind has become contaminated with the word juggling rhetoric of the faithless it
is very difficult to grasp the concept of God as a Person, ie: Bhagavan Realization.

Therefore out of all the numerous and extraordinary things that His Divine Grace A. C.
Bhaktivanta Swami Prabhupada taught in the Western World, exposing the futility of these
misguided traditions was arguably his foremost mission. This is clearly evident in the Sanskrit
Pranama mantra which he was honored by during his physical presence and continues to be
eulogized by to this day:

       namas te sarasvate deve gaura-vani-pracarine nirvisesa-sunyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine.
“We offer our respects unto you, the student of Sarasvati Gosvami. You are kindly teaching the
message of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu for the purpose of delivering the Western World from
impersonalism and voidism."

        For this reason it is also the mission of the American Vedic Association to help the
conditioned souls philosophically understand where and how these impersonal traditions fail to
meet both the needs of the eternal soul, as well as why they can not possibly resolve the
numerous social ills that plague the peace and solvency of all the worlds peoples. It is not our
intention to offend any of our friends who may currently be involved with these other practices
only inform them of a historical point of view they may not currently be familiar with. If anyone
wishes to understand any of these points in greater detail you are encouraged to join us at one of
our bi-monthly meetings where we will be happy to thoroughly answer all your questions based
on the strength of Vedic Authority.

How to Contact

mayesvara dasa (md @
aka: William Roberts* Director
American Vedic Association
687 West Villanova Road
Ojai California, 93023
(805) 640-0405 AVA @

About the Author

       William Roberts is the founding director of The American Vedic Association, a legally
independent but philosophically concurrent local branch of the International Society for Krishna
Consciousness. (ISKCON) He began studying Vedic philosophy in 1973 and assimilated the
works of eminent Vaishnava saints while living in India for several years. He became an
ordained Brahman priest under the tutelage of the world-class authority on Bhakti Yoga, His
Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. The American Vedic Association is currently
sponsoring the Free Bhagavad-Gita Fellowship Gatherings held on the First and Third Tuesday
of every month. The program includes a formal section which includes congregational changing
of sacred mantras, a short lesson in the pronunciation and comprehension of Sanskrit, and a
philosophical discussion. The informal part of the program includes a Free Vegetarian Dinner,
open questions and answers, and when appropriate, an interesting subject related transcendental
Video. For more information call, (805) 640-0405, or contact william.roberts @

"Dispel the Darkness of Ignorance With the Torchlight of Knowledge!" - Bg. 10.11

Bhagavad-Gita Gita As It Is Discussion Fellowship

Planned Gatherings & Topics

Every 1st & 3rd Tuesday of EACH Month

Sanskrit, Mantra, Kirtan, Prasadam!

AVA Topic Schedule 2008

Date/Event Meeting Subject

1st Tue: Jun 01, 2008 Purity & Freedom
2nd Tue: Jun 15, 2008 Artificial Intelligence
Sunday Aug 3, 2008 Rathayatra Festival at Venice Beach
1st Tue: Aug 5, 2008 Only Rare Individuals Transcend Economic Development
2nd Tue: Aug 19, 2008 Krishna Janmastami with Brigupati Dasa
1st Tue: Sep 5, 2008 How Can There Be Peace?
2nd Tue: Sep 19, 2008 Live Naturally & Feed the People
1st Tue: Oct 7, 2008 Mundane Education?
2nd Tue: Oct 21, 2008 Spooky Karma
1st Tue: Nov 4, 2008 Rascals Elect Rascals?
2nd Tue: Nov 18, 2008 Sixth Commandment & Cow Killing
1st Tue: Dec 2, 2008 There is Only One Religion
2nd Tue: Dec 16, 2008 The Tolerance of Lord Christ

AVA Scheduled Subjects for 2009

1st & 3rd Tuesday Every Month

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The American Vedic Association Bhagavad-Gita As It Is Fellowship meets on the 1st & 3rd
Tuesday of every month to discuss timely subjects related to the soul, reincarnation, meditation,
and the culmination of all transcendental processes etc. The program includes a short study in
Sanskrit, a harmonious Kirtan, an appropriate Vedic reading, and the sharing of a FREE
sanctified vegetarian meal for all who attend! 7:30PM / 687 West Villanova Road - 640-0405
Always Free!

1st Tue. Jan. 6th, 2009

“Absolute Authority” - will be topic at the next American Vedic Association Bhagavad-Gita As
It Is Fellowship discussion. "Think for Yourself" is the creed for the popular pseudo-faith
known as “Secular Relativism.” Yet even the incorrigible accepts the authority of technical,
legal, and medical professionals etc.! Wise sages accept the authority of the Vedas to understand
the soul, reality & God far better than anyone could thru speculative meditation alone. Discover
why at the next AVA meeting! 7:30PM / 687 West Villanova Road - 640-0405 Always Free!
2nd Tue. Jan. 20th, 2009

“Be Good To Feel Good” - will be topic at the next American Vedic Association Bhagavad-Gita
As It Is Fellowship discussion. Drugs, alcohol, food addictions, crazy-talk and obsessive
behavior are just a few of the many symptoms of a conditioned soul desperately seeking relief
from the mundane. Lasting happiness is realized when one adopts the scientific pursuit of pure
goodness prescribed in the Vedas and taught at every AVA meeting! 7:30PM /

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