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                                                                              Moderator: Anita Sohus
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Abstract:
    Press room closes Feb 6; daily press conferences end Feb 6; news releases will continue;
       press conferences will be weekly or monthly; watch the public marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov
       site for feature stories
    SVG Viewer and instructions are now available for download at
       ftp://rushmore.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/feissv1/MuseSvg/ SVG files contain captions, and
       points to the JPEGS, so SVG and JPEG files must be in same directory.
    Currently, press released images are available on http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov and
       http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/new before they are available on muse or FEI, due to
       resources. Raw images are available on FEI, muse, and marsrovers. Full res is available
       on the muse site, but not on marsrovers.
    Opportunity will first look at soil near the lander, then head for the bedrock. After that it
       will leave its landing crater and head for the larger nearby lander.


Coordinator Thank you all for standing by. Today’s conference is being recorded. If there are
objections, you may disconnect at this time. Ma’am, you may begin the call.

Anita I apologize to everybody for the switch of time. It turns out, this is a better time to get
Eric and his visualization crew, except for this morning, as it turns out. He’ll try to join us in a
little bit. Are there any issues you guys want to bring up, any problems you need help solving?

Martin:          Anita, maybe you know, the last DVD we got, or maybe it was on a prior one
also, it had a fly over Gusev Crater. Do you know who I can contact to find out where that
dataset came from?

Anita I suspect that it is Viking data. No, I suspect it is Mars Global Surveyor data, and it
probably came from Mike Malin.

Martin         Mike Malin, and he’s at JPL.
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Anita           No, he has a private company in La Jolla, CA; it’s Malin Space Science Systems.

Martin       He used a dataset to create that. The original dataset probably is at residence
somewhere at NASA. That’s what I need to know.

Anita Okay, it’s either in the planetary data system here at JPL or the National Space Science
Data Center at Goddard.

Joel     That animation was rendered by Eric, I know.

Martin          It was; so he’ll know where the dataset is then. I’ll just wait for him then.

Michelle         Anita, this is Michelle from Chicago. I just had a really quick question. We have
our Mars full-size rover on display right now; but we’re interested in potentially tricking it out a
little bit more and detailing it a little bit more. Do you know, or does anyone know if straight-on,
like top-down images exist of, say, the sundial, the Planetary Society’s little astronaut that’s on
there, the Columbia Memorial plaque, or anything like that? There are always side views or on
angle views; but we would potentially be interested in a top-down view, so that we could print it
and lay it right on the rover; but I wasn’t sure if any of that existed.

Anita We’ll have to research that one.

Joel I have a similar request, if it’s possible to just go to the original files for those decals,
things like that, or however they were embedded on the rover back to the original file form of
that.

Anita I would say that for the sundial, you would have to talk to the Planetary Society or
Cornell. That’s where that originated. Diane is probably not on the line; but Diane Bollen
would probably be a good place to start at Cornell. For the Columbia Memorial, I suspect that
was created here in our own graphics department. I’ll check into it.

Jonas Anita, this is Jonas from Ames Research Center. I have a question; do you know the
Challenges of Getting to Mars series? Is that available in beta or anything like that, because I’d
like to show those in our Mars center.

Anita We’ll have to check into that. Those are mixed products in that, they are part HD and
part standard definition. Somebody, I guess can still dump it to beta; but the quality will differ a
little bit.
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Jonas The reason why, as you probably know, we have our Mars center with the big screens,
and we’re actually going to get a 120-foot screen that we’re going to be showing these on, so we
would need to have the highest quality videos as possible.

I’m still trying to get a hang of what the Mars Visualization Alliance is and just trying to figure
out, what are all the resources available to us.

Anita Who wants to chip in on that one? The intent behind all this is to share the adventure of
exploration with the widest possible audience. We looked at museums, planetariums, and
science centers and said they are terrific venues because they have knowledgeable, dedicated
staff, enthusiastic staff; and they have facilities, unique facilities that people can come to and get
not just pictures, but interpretation. We also were really shaking in our boots that the public
traffic would just overwhelm our networks and bring our systems down.

Jonas I totally understand that.

Anita So the first step that was taken is to set up private servers that only the museum members
can access; so that even if the public site were to go down, the museums will still have access. In
fact, marsrovers hasn’t had to go down, but it does slow down, and they have taken content down
when it’s closed down.

M      Yes, they don’t put the full res stuff up there.

Anita Yes, they don’t put the full res stuff on; but that stuff is available to the museums on the
private site. From the anecdotes I’ve been getting back from folks, that has been just as useful as
we hoped it would be.

Jonas You would probably like to hear that since we opened our Mars center on the 29th, we’ve
had about 25,000 people come through. It has been hectic; we’ve been running around like
chickens with the heads cut off. We’re all tired as heck; but I guess, we’re happy about our
visitor center.

Anita What hours are you open?

Jonas Weekdays we’re open from 10:00 to 6:00, then weekends from 12:00 to 4:00, and then
we have some special events. We were opened on the Opportunity landing, and I had to be the
bad guy to kick people out at about 11:40.

M      The pictures weren’t even down yet. What time zone are you in?

Jonas West Coast, Pacific. Yes, they watched the briefing, and I had to basically go, “Sorry
folks, we’re closed.”
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Anita Yes, several people have been in that situation.

M      Can you reschedule these landings, Anita?

Anita I keep joking that in celestial mechanics that everything has to happen at the very worst
time, weekends, holidays, in the middle of the night.

Jonas One thing that’s missing in our visitor’s center is a model of the rover. Is there
somewhere we can rent one or get one on a loan?

Anita If you go to the Muse site and you go on the models page, you will find names of several
vendors who have ….

Jonas I saw that. I passed that on, and they’re like, “Okay, let’s see how much money we can
get.”

Anita Also, several museums have bought models themselves, or built models themselves, and
perhaps they would like to talk to you about that. I think Exploratorium has one that they
purchased in collaboration with another organization or two.

Michelle Nichols        Actually, that was Adler. They borrowed ours, so they got ours for about
the first three weeks; they got it for when Spirit landed, and then we got that one delivered to us
last week, so we have it now. That’s ours to keep.

Joel We have a cheap one at Science Museum of Minnesota that’s basic in design, it’s about
the same size; but it doesn’t have all the detailing on it. It is remote controlled; the kids can
control it remotely and so on. I think we got it out of a company in Ohio, Florida, or some place;
I could find out.

Jonas Yes, we don’t actually need anything that moves. We have some other stuff, we have a
little rover that is run, or was developed by Carnegie Mellon. And it does basically the same
thing, where it takes a panoramic picture and then the kids can say, “Go to there,” and they have
to determine the distances from a top view. It works out pretty good. We have a K9 rover here
that we do our testing on of some equipment and technologies that we develop for the rovers, and
people keep mistaking that as the MER rover.

Anita Eric has joined us. We were just troubleshooting for folks. Eric, a question about the
dataset for the Gusev flyover, is that available anywhere?

Martin          On the DVD. This is Martin Weiss, New York City, I was just wondering if the
dataset is available, and where it is.
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Eric The answer currently is no, and where it is, is that’s a dataset that is a combination of
about three or four different contributors. The color came from the MOC (Mars Orbiter Camera
on Mars Global Surveyor) wide angle. The image data is THEMIS Odyssey data, and the
elevation data is primarily USGS topography, although I think we may have enhanced it as well.
I will have to check with each of them, every one of those contributors to find out what they feel
about those datasets and what kind of release they want to do, their release policy. Then I can
get back to you after I check with each and every one of them.

Martin Can I send you an e-mail to remind you?

Eric You can send me an e-mail; but it won’t remind me very well. Feel free to send the e-
mail; but I must confess, I get about 10,000 a week.

Anita Martin, copy me.

Martin I’ll copy you, Anita. The other question I had is I notice on marsrovers, the Mars rover
public site, they are now posting raw data. Rich, is that the same stuff that we’re getting from
FEI 5?

Rich Exactly the same stuff, the gentleman (Lance Watanabe) that’s doing that has a
subscription, or is using FEI as well.

Martin So he’s just taking it down and then reposting it.

Rich   Yes. He has a script to dynamically add it to the Web page in real-time.

Anita I’m not sure that that was a feature that we originally knew we were going to be able to
do.

Eric No, we originally didn’t know we would have enough bandwidth to support that, and we
managed to acquire additional bandwidth and so, we decided we’d support that as well.

Jonas That script that you have that automatically puts up the images, is there a way we can
borrow that script or get a copy of that script?

Rich I would have to get back with the guy. I’ve got a simple PERL script that I gave him, and
I can e-mail that on; but I believe his is a Cold Fusion script. I would really have to check with
him.

Jonas I guess I’ll just have to talk to the SGI guys over here, to see what kind of system they’re
running on.
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Rich Yes. All the get and show, no, I think all the get commands have an invoke feature; look
in the user’s guide for that, and invoke will just do what it says. It invokes a script after every
file that it gets, and so this script could copy the file to a directory, update a Web page, and then
when you do it for each and every file, that will populate your entire Web page.

Jonas They’re just getting the images from on the page, where it says real-time images, or is
there a different place?

Rich   They get the images from the exact same place that you get the images.

Jonas Okay, so that real-time images on the –

Rich   Yes, the raw images.

Eric Yes, the full frame experiment data records are what you’re getting, no additional
processing whatsoever. There is no specialized stretch, there is no specialized radiometric or
geometric correction, so they’re really basically straightforward full frames.

Rich   They did get a few EDN down samples in the beginning.

Eric Early on, we gave you some EDNs because we didn’t have full frame; but after that,
we’ve just given you the full frames because the EDNs are just down sampled versions of later
full frames.

Joel Just a clarification, I have been finding for the processed images, I’m getting the higher
resolution TIFFs through the Photojournal that I’m not getting through the Muse site.

Rich   The Muse site or FEI?

Joel I haven’t been using FEI for this because I’m assuming that we’re not getting the
processed images through that.

Rich Yes. I’ve been working on that issue. There has been a delay with the press released
products on FEI. We’re working it; it’s just people are overworked, and they’re doing way too
many things at once.

Joel Sure. The Photojournal is fine. I don’t mind going there, I just wanted to clarify because
I’m noticing oftentimes, the same images in the JPEG format are on the Muse site; but the full
TIFF, I can get through the Photojournal.
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Eric Yes, we have two people working the Photojournal site, so that they can keep up with the
released images and with the caption material; so therefore, they are capable of getting – and we
insist the science team provide us with both TIFF and JPEGs, and we are trying to insist that
TIFF and JPEGs are consistent. It’s not necessarily always true; but we are trying to do that.
But we do have two people that work the Photojournal site; but we don’t have as much support
on the release side for the FEI site, so it’s being worked, but with a little less resource.

Joel Right, that’s just fine. My conclusion right now is that I’ll mine the Photojournal for the
processed images for rendering purposes.

Eric Yes, right now, I would advise that’s the best, because they also probably have the
quickest response function. The thing that slows us down the most, just so you know from a
procedural standpoint, are two things. One is as the press conferences are occurring, people are
actually changing and putting up revised version of the files, up to and including when the
people are on the stage speaking. We actually had one where we were having someone speak
and when he started speaking, we didn’t have the file finished, and remember, they’re only
supposed to speak for three to four minutes; but we did manage to make that one, so that’s the
one thing.

The second thing is the caption, to have a caption written about what was presented, obviously,
sometimes that has to happen after the press conference; but that is happening the quickest in the
Photojournal, so that really is probably the quickest place to get it.

Joel   That’s good to know.

Jamie Jamie at SSI, we were talking a minute ago about automatically adjusting the EDRs, and
we’re doing that on our MarsQuest Online site. We were wondering, with the press release
images, we can’t auto-ingest those because we don’t have the file name, the information is not
consistent they way they are with EDRs.

Eric   They are not as consistent.

Jamie What I was wondering is if there was any hope in the future, that the text files, the
captioning files would have some kind of consistent format, so that we might be able to do some
kind of automatic processing. Because right now, the text files are coming along fairly
infrequently and kind of have random information in them.

Eric Of course, I would have never said those words; but we did, during the operational
readiness test, provide a template to all the science team members and the all-engineering team
members as well, the entire flight team for a nice standard template, because we were also
hoping that we could parse these things automatically. One member of the team turned in one
product that actually followed the template precisely. I’m serious. Some of the people have
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done an approximation; but the approximation asymptotically approaches zero concurrence with
the template, so I continue to hope that we’ll be able to do that; but my reality check says, it’s not
happening very fast.

Anita How many scientists have you got?

Eric Two hundred scientists working on this project. We continue to try; but so far, we
haven’t reached a lot of success with the caption standardization. It’s helpful to have this
conversation. I will say also that the requests are coming from you, as well as from all the other
people, including headquarters, Houston, asking for this.

Jamie Good. I’m glad I can help then.

Eric   It is a big help. Thank you, Jamie.

Anita This also raises the issue of what’s the status of SVG Viewer.

Eric Yes, we’ve been working on SVG Viewer quite a bit. Steve Levoe talked a couple a
sessions ago about his progress on it and status. We used the visit by our illustrious visitors this
past weekend as a test. We had over 1,000 visitors on lab for EDL for Opportunity, including Al
Gore; the current governor of California, Schwarzenegger; the previous governor (Pete Wilson)
as well. The reason I mention that is we had a lot of people who wanted to see the same kind of
text information describing the images you all would like to see, and so we tested the SVG.

Steve had passed the version and the instructions over to Rich and Barbara McGuffie to kind of
check them out, and Rich actually implemented those instructions. For a test case we had about,
I’d say, a dozen rooms, six to a dozen, depending on which night it was, that we were actually
using SVG to show how it would work and testing on a bunch of computers. So they loaded
those computers, people were instructed how to use it, and we used SVG here. Now, Rich
actually, the SVG is already out there, I believe; but now, he’s ready, I think to release the
instructions. I’ll turn it over to Rich to describe the status of the instructions on how to use it.

Rich I will send an e-mail with the link; but basically, it’s the same FTP link that you go to to
download FEI; but it’s not in the FEI 5 directory; it’s in a directory called Muse SVG. When
you go to that directory, there is a Linux version, a tarball; there is a Macintosh DMG malleable
image; and there is also a Windows zip file. Download the appropriate version, uncompress; and
for Macintosh, it’s really easy, it’s just a double-clickable application; for Windows, double-
clickable JAR file called Muse SVG; and for Linux there is a shell script that you execute to start
up the viewer.
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The instructions are online, too, on how to do this, in case other museum people are here. But
the thing you have to remember is the SVG files and raw JPEGs have to be in the same directory
when you’re using this, because the SVG files have a reference to the JPEG.

Eric For those of you that have missed some of the previous discussions about SVG, SVG
stands for scalable vector graphics, and what it provides is, basically, this application in SVG
that Steve wrote and that Rich put the instructions together on and is releasing, basically, is a
slideshow with automated captions below it. The reason why scalable vector graphics are so
good, that means that no matter what display you put it on, the text, in particular, will scale and
look good, as opposed to be aliased horribly, which it might be otherwise. But it’s a visual
slideshow, it’s very simple to use, and you can set a few parameters, only a few, like, for
example, the delay, the time between one slide to the next slide.

M      Where is it accessible again?

Rich   ftp://rushmore.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/feissv1/MuseSvg/

M      Did you say it’s functioning now, or it’s going to soon be?

Eric We’ve actually used it in what we considered a fairly good alpha test, namely with lots of
high-ranking visitors here to view the results and members of our own executive council or
assistants helping them to run it. We were available by cell phone, and we could have run down
there if they had a problem; but we basically let them use it, just following the instructions.

Martin Quick question, does this function pretty much the way iViewer does in the Mac system?
Are you familiar with that?

Rich   Do you mean like iPhoto?

Martin No, not iPhoto, iView. It’s a bit higher end, where you take a file or a folder containing
either JPEGs or TIFFs and just drop it into it, and you get thumbnails and an ability to slow show
slides also.

Eric It’s similar to that, although, I think it’s more basic in the sense that you organize the
slideshow just by having a list in your directory. So you just put whatever you want in the
directory and then, it does allow you to change a few parameters, like change the speed at which
you show it.

Martin The captions come with the JPEGs, or … captions …?

Eric   That’s part of the SVG file. That scalable vector graphics file includes the text.
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Martin It does.

Eric Yes, and we also have a .txt file, as Jamie requested, which it detects by itself, if you
want it for any other reason; but it is actually in the SVG file. SVG points to the JPEG, so it
expects to have the JPEG in the same directory.

Mark So you’re going to be upgrading the SVG continuously.

Eric It’s part of our automated process to generate the SVGs; but go ahead, Rich, sorry to
interrupt you.

Rich No problem. The SVGs don’t contain caption information on what you’re looking at.
The SVGs contain caption information on the instrument that took the image, the time that the
image was taken, and the spacecraft that took the image.

Eric     Kind of like a caption.

Martin I understand. One thing I’m missing somehow is, how do we upgrade that information?

Eric You don’t change it. It’s static; but you have the text file, as well in case you wanted to
somehow add something around it. But we’re not providing you a facility to change what’s in
the SVG; but you’re welcome to create your own SVG viewer, modify that, or something; but
we’re not providing that facility within ours.

Martin            I understand.

Eric That’s two reasons, one because then we would have to do a bunch of different work and
describe that to you; but two is, the science team was interested in us, at least at first providing
the text they had approved.

Anita Eric, do you have any update for us on any future image products?

Eric I can kind of give you an overview of where we’re going a little bit and answer questions.
Basically, first, we’re going to continue along with all of the full frame experiment data records,
to provide these SVGs and text files on a regular basis. We’re going to continue to provide
better service, I think on the released images. That’s also getting a lot easier as the press room
closes on February 6th, which is a week from Friday.

So right now, we’re servicing every day, a press conference a day and several on the weekends
sometimes, as we did this weekend; but as the news room closes, we’ll be able to actually put
more of our resources on actually organizing things.
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Also, the science team will tend to have products that are more complete when they’re released.
What I mean by that is product-wise, the products actually might be easy to understand through
the mosaic, and we’ve been getting octets which just stands for eight since it obviously does, so
instead of a 360-degree panorama, we’ve tended to release postcards or octants. Both of those,
basically, cover one-eighth or 45-degrees nominally out of the entire panorama, and then
sometimes instead of five tiers high, they’ll be two or three tiers high.

In the future, we should have, as we get the data down on the ground, complete 360-degree
fields-of-view of where we are, three to five tiers high in at least three filters. It will be the green
and blue, which are fairly centered on the receptors of the green and blue of our eyes. The red,
however, I warn you ahead of time, that while we do have a red filter, for those of you that,
perhaps, dug into the press kit, that’s 600 nanometers, we tend to often use the 750 nanometer
wavelength, which is more or less the MER infrared filter. So assembling your own color
images, you may have some interesting times, if you try that on your own, for two reasons.
One, you don’t have the calibration files; but two, this is a MER infrared, and so things that are
bright in the red may show up as bright. But things that are sometimes bright in the cobalt blue
may also be bright in the infrared or near infrared, so you might see some things that are actually
naturally blue, even on the space graph that are also are very bright in the near infrared. You
may notice that already. Nonetheless, there will be at least those three filters, and then we’ll
have other filters of scientific interest and we’ll tend to do stereo of those 360s.

That will be for each site, and so the sites probably will happen, I’d say, nominally once a month,
something like that. Then in between the sites, there will be numbers of locations. At the
locations, we will tend to get small panoramas taking small panoramic camera full-color images
taken of the working sites.

The working sites are like, two good examples are Adirondack Rock, which is really the size of a
football, and that’s from Spirit; the first soil target, and probably the bedrock area, several areas
within the bedrock area on Opportunity. There, we’ll get full color, full resolution, and stereo,
but only for the workspace in front of you. On top of that, we’ll have microscopic images, both
in 2-D and through Mark Lemmon, probably a 3-D version of those.

Navigation cameras will tend to follow every path we take looking at least 180-degrees to the
front of the travel plain. These were, of course, just one filter, they’re black and white therefore,
but will be in stereo. The haz cams, I’m still not sure how often we’ll get those. They’ll be
taken fairly frequently, at least every minute, in fact, several times a minute, and so in theory, we
could have a complete path.

They have a 120-degree field of view. They’re very fisheye looking, of course, with that 120
field of view, but have the benefit of looking down along the entire path; but I’m not sure
whether we’ll get every image taken because they’re used onboard first to actually navigate. We
want to get those, if we can, so that’s the other product of yet.
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Last and not least, but most complicated is any kind of mesh, three-dimensional mesh that would
describe topography. That’s coming the slowest for everyone. It’s difficult to do, and also,
when you only have one view looking forward, rocks tend to shadow of things behind, and so
you can’t actually see anything behind.

Rather than the meshes, I think, for those of you that want to concentrate on the three
dimensionality of those anaglyphs with the red/blue glasses, we will produce those every time, so
any time we have two views, we will produce the 3-Ds.

It’s very easy to do the anaglyph stuff, and the glasses are very cheap, so it does give you a 3-D
view of the surface of Mars. It’s actually probably more accurate and better than you would
guess with a mesh, anyway. The only benefit to the mesh is, you can kind of fly around; but it’s
not really good in terms of pixel for pixel because here every pixel has the third dimension
because that’s the way you see stereo.

Ryan This is Ryan from New York. Actually, 3-D doesn’t work for me because I had an
accident with my eyes when I was a kid, so I always prefer actual models. Are you saying that
meshes will not be made available, or they will be, but less frequently?

Eric I’m saying that so far, we have no process for producing the meshes to make them
available. We have to have several teams trying to create some meshes; but their success has
been minimal, and you have probably seen on some of the videos the success. The success has
been for like a very, very, very small work area and a handful of rocks, and so far, those are the
only meshes we have that even partially work.

Ryan I will say that the American Museum of Natural History, in our last full dome video
show, we used the mesh of the Pathfinder site, so I think there is a utility for the meshes. Of
course, it has been something we’ve been asking about for awhile, so we’ll certainly appreciate it
if anything of that sort does become available, since the anaglyph stuff doesn’t really work very
well in the round.

Eric I appreciate your comment; but my response is it took five years to create the Pathfinder
mesh. I hope it doesn’t take that long this time. I do have the people who created the Pathfinder
mesh here in residence today.

Ryan Actually, we implemented the Pathfinder mesh less than five years after Pathfinder
landed, so it certainly took less than five years.

Eric   It depends on what quality you’re talking about.

Ryan The quality that was good enough to use in our show.
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Eric No, I understand that, and you’re welcome to implement that mesh again, and in fact, I’d
love you to share it with people, if you do. But the U.S. Geological Survey at Flagstaff, who are
the cartographic experts in the world are the ones that we are working with also trying to do the
final version. We’re certainly more than willing to share the exploration experience with anyone
willing to help on this.

 So I do encourage you to, if you have some other colleagues that can help create early meshes
for us, that would be great. I really honestly encourage you to share that with everyone, and in
fact, perhaps, you could share the Pathfinder mesh with the rest of the museums and the alliance.

Ryan The Pathfinder mesh was made available to us by folks, I believe at Ames, so it was
online. I don’t think it’s online anymore; but that was our source for the mesh. What we did was
value added with the flight path that was very carefully orchestrated to maximize the three-
dimensional quality of the mesh.

Eric Yes, the Ames people are here working with us on the small pieces that you’ve seen so
far, although it’s not exactly the full complement of the Ames team we had with Pathfinder, the
same people are no longer working at Ames. But we have at least some of the same people, and
we’re working together with them; but thus far, there are small areas. We hope to try to
complete the whole area; but the source for Pathfinder was equivalent of, at that time, a full
panorama, we had the IMP camera instead, but we had the full resolution to start with first. At
this time, we don’t have it yet, so it’s going to take us a little more time to generate that than a
few weeks, I think.

Peter This is Peter Coppin here from Carnegie Mellon. I sort of tuned in late because I was in a
meeting. The smaller meshes, though, are incredibly valuable, so if you could post those up, I
think people could make use of those.

Eric I’ll talk with the team about that; but it’s a team that decides on the release function for
those kinds of products. As of this time, there is not a policy yet as to when they’re ready to
release those meshes; but I will certainly talk with them about that, and I will express your
interest to them again.

Anita Ryan, your question about HD that you’ve been e-mailing about, you’re really interested
in the digital video camera HD, more than the created digital HD from Eric right now, right?

Ryan We’re basically interested, for purposes of the documentary we’re doing, we’re interested
in basically anything that we can use as source footage, so that includes, I would say, both.
Right now, we do have the quite familiar Dan Maas stuff at 720; but we do master at 1080i. I
guess you guys don’t.
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Eric   No, we do master at 1080i.

Ryan You do master at 1080.

Eric   That is what we master at, 1080i.

Anita The camera is 720, though, isn’t it, that John Beck shoots with.

Eric Let me be accurate. We recorded the Dan Maas video here. We do record in 1080i. We
also record in 720p. John Beck’s camera is 720p.

Anita Ryan and others were hoping to have a conversation just for the HD folks, and I was
trying to figure out, whether you were really needed for that conversation or not.

Eric There is a very smaller set of minutes, hours, or footage that are computer generated, a
very small number of minutes worth, and a major amount of those minutes are in HD. A major
amount of those are still from the Dan Maas video. There are some other segments that are,
obviously, in HD that we have done in the last few weeks; but by far and away, the larger set of
HD footage is live footage, certainly easier to generate, and we’ve been generating it, it has been
being shot for several years. I think that that’s the larger bulk of the video in HD material.

Anita There is a huge backlog in reviewing it for release.

Ryan We have converted everything you’ve provided us into 1080i.

M       So far, all we’ve seen for the animation that was 720p, so if there is 1080i, that would be
great to get our hands on that.

Joel We have the JPL 720 footage that has been converted to 1080i, as well as the 1080i
rendering from the Maas animation.

Ryan Okay, so the only version that we got was uncompressed 720p.

Eric   He’s offering to make you a copy, I think.

Joel Yes, that’s exactly so. That’s all I’m saying. I have it, it’s public domain, it’s NASA
content, just basically the cause of the dupes. I can certainly do that.

Ryan Right. My understanding from talking to our production people, we ran into an issue
with the company that you’re using, that you’re working with; but I’m not entirely clear on that
situation.
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Anita Why don’t you guys talk about it offline?

Ryan We’ll take it offline. Do you have a number?

Eric It sounds like a good source to me, just have a conversation offline. You probably can
resolve it.

Joel   Absolutely.

Eric Sounds good, thank you. I think, though, to finish that part of the conversation, that it
probably would be worthwhile, I don’t know what the time frame is on this because people are
still involved in press conferences and shooting live footage here. But it probably would fall to
have a conversation sometime during one of our sessions with people who have the live footage
just to get some feedback going about what kinds of shots are most important to everyone,
because I know they have a wealth of material and a limited number of resources for editing it.

Anita Let me set something up, Ryan, now that I’m clearer on what we need. What’s the plan
for Opportunity?

Eric Sure. Right now, Opportunity is still finishing what’s called the success cam, which is
the full color stereo panorama. We have most of it; it has been shot, so it’s onboard the
spacecraft and we’re downloading it. There is not a defined date for the day we’re going to drive
off of the lander onto the dirt yet; but I would say nominally, that happens in the second week.
Since we arrived on Sunday, you can look at your calendar and figure when we’ll be doing that.

As soon as we get off of the lander, we’re probably going to head towards the bedrock pretty
soon thereafter. We may take, certainly, one small observation with the instruments on the soil
that is interesting. But then we’ll go to the bedrock area, probably to the right side of the
bedrock area even, and we’ll spend some time on it.

If you saw today’s press conference, you saw that the bedrock area is really not that large. It’s
only maybe a foot and a half tall from the bottom of the bedrock area to the top of the bedrock
area, so it’s very easy to navigate on it; it’s a very simple area to look at.

I’m sure we’ll spend quite a bit of time looking at that bedrock area before we navigate out of
and leave this crater to visit probably this one large crater within, certainly, a few days travel for
us, certainly with a weeks travel for us. We’ll also want to look at the soil right outside of the
crater a little distance away, because that will be typical of the entire plain. There will be the
three targets: inside the first crater while we’re parked; going to the bedrock, and then going and
taking soil out on the plain; and then going to this large crater that’s a few days journey away.

Anita What’s the slope of the crater walls for navigating out of there?
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Eric We don’t have the exact slope yet, although we just got a navigation stereo pair, so that’s
a first approximation. When we get the stereo for the Pancam, we’ll be able to actually do it
quite accurately, but I guess anywhere between ten and 20-degrees maximum. The rover can
handle 30-degrees, first, and second, that’s straight up. But as anybody who has gone hiking or
rock climbing has done, we can traverse, so we can go at an angle, go across instead of going
straight out over, and therefore, have a much lower angle. I see no problem with getting out of
the crater, other than the scientific interest of staying in the crater to visit the bedrock.

Anita Anybody have any more questions for Eric?

Ken Yes, this is Ken from the Robeson Planetarium. Quick question, Eric, are any of the
images going to be released in FITs format?

Eric We have no plans to do that. There are converters to go from some of the other formats
to FITs. The images we’re releasing are JPEGs or TIFF and JPEGs for the release, and until the
team has agreed to release them in PDS format, I think it’s six months or a year when they get
the labels put together and release them with the full labels for processing. When they do that,
there are converters that will convert from the PDS – MER has really got a PDS VICAR
combined label, by the way; but it’s basically PDS, and things that will convert from that to FITs
for you.

Anita The Photojournal will give the press release images in FITs, won’t it?

Eric No. Now, the thing that’s missing is the metadata, all of the label information to have a
FITs file format, because you would want to have latitude and longitude, all that good stuff.
That will be when they actually send it out to the Planetary Data System, it will have all that
label information, and then you can do the convert.

Ken Second question, it’s really a comment for the Adler in Chicago; when we went to the
national workshop for the Mars Educator program, we received a lithograph of the sundial,
straight-up image of the sundial with the four colors and everything. Maybe that will help jog
Anita’s memory in terms of figuring out where that came from. I know that was run by the ASU
MSIP program, the Mars Student Imaging project. Maybe giving them a call might be helpful.

Michelle       Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Anita I think we’re going to keep this telecon at 11:00 now on Tuesdays.

Eric I have one last comment and that is regarding 3-D. Anaglyphs give you pixel by pixel
and are very enjoyable for everybody, and you pan and zoom on them. I have no disagreement
that I also would love to have a complete fault-free 3-D; but I’m going to be patient about that
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because the best people are trying to create those, and I’ll be real excited when I get them; but
I’m anticipating that will take some time.

Then when they do have them, we’ll do our best to try and convince them to make those
available in some standardized format as well. But you can have a lot of fun on zooming and
panning on the anaglyphs as well, and we don’t yet have products out that are full color stereo.
When we see those, I think those will be quite enjoyable. Those will be a new product and
addition.

Anita Anybody else?

Michelle     Just a quick question, I thought I heard maybe, Eric, it was you say that the
newsroom closes on February 6th; is that correct?

Eric   That’s the current plan, and I’ve heard no disagreement in that plan so far.

Michelle       What happens after that? I realize they’ve had the press conferences everyday
and we’ve been watching. What will be the major source of getting information out, if that
particular newsroom is closed?

Eric When the newsroom closes, what happens is we would still convene press conferences
when the site team has results that they want to present. That may happen like once a week or
once a month as the mission goes one, number one. Number two, you’ll still continue to get, all
the full frames will still come out just as they are now. The subscriptions won’t change.

Number three, in addition to holding some weekly or monthly press conferences, there will be
press releases. That may happen, I’d estimate like once, or at most, twice a week; but there will
be press releases as well. Last, they still will be on the public marsrovers web site. They may do
a daily story with some images as well for the rover’s web site. All those things will continue on
pretty much unchanged.

Jack I was going to pass along, Jack out in Lincoln, I was going to see if there’s any
indication, how many planetariums have done allskies yet. We’ve did one; we did a test. People
sure like it.

Michelle      This is Adler. We did it. They love it. Audible gasps are heard in the audience
when it comes up.

Jack   Totally agree.

Ryan Yes, we’ve done a couple of digital All Sky versions, where we just wrap the image on
the interior of the sphere.
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Jack My next test is going to do the 3-D one, just to see with the anaglyph, just because they
sure do like even the static photos, so let’s see what they do with an All Sky.

Eric By the way, I might add that All Sky should work very nicely for Meridiani since we’re
in a bowl, we’re in a crater. It should work very good.

Michelle         The other thing is that the size of the Adler’s sky theatre is almost exactly the size
of the crater, so people get a great sense of scale with that one.

Eric    That’s great.

M       All the scientists are going to have to go to Chicago.

Eric    There you go.

M       I never knew you were in a bowl. It’s a dome.

Michelle       We’re in an upside down bowl.

Anita Great. I really appreciate all the collaboration you guys are doing amongst yourselves,
too. Feel free to use the museum list serve that Rich set up for us. That’s a great tool for me to
have that, as well to communicate with you. If your system administrators and others are not
wanting to get all the e-mail, just let us know, we’ll take them off, or maybe we should have a
separate list serve for the system administrators. I don’t know.

Michelle       One additional piece of information for anyone who was looking for the Mars
rover model, the way we got ours was through a grant; but it was because one of the scientists at
the University of Chicago had some EPO money available, Education /Public Outreach grant
money that he had to spend. You may want to check to see if there is a local scientist who is
either involved with the Mars mission or with a mission of some kind that may have some
Education /Public Outreach money available that he’s just itching to spend and doesn’t know
how to do it. That’s how we got ours.


M       There are also the Lego models.

Anita                   Yes, I think Ames wants something better than that. Thanks so much,
                        everybody.

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