It is sad to read your comments when you haven't talked in person with Mac Brunson or anyone
in real authority at FBC, Jax. A sign of spiritual maturity is to realize that there are always two
sides to any story--and you are only propogating Tom Rich's biased viewpoint.
I would give much more creedance to your blog if you actually had comments from someone in
authority or someone who could actually answer questions legitimately from the church's
Obviously, there is much more there than you are reporting.
Wednesday, September 2, 2009 - 12:15 PM
I just re-read your blog post and have a few more humble observations.
First, neither of you are members of FBC, Jax so your "concerns" about Mac Brunson are not well
founded and totally speculative.
Second, how much money they take in or how much they pay their staff is none of your business.
Third, you have no standing to request the Attorney General to investigate FBC, Jax.
Sounds to me like you are meddling where you don't belong and championing someone (Tom
Rich) who could have spared all this trouble by simply going in and talking to Mac in the
beginning. When he chose to blog anonymously and then lie about his identity, he forfeited his
right to be considered legitimate.
Wednesday, September 2, 2009 - 12:23 PM
If you aren't a member of a church then you have no say in how they conduct their business. If
you didn't like how it was run then you should have said something when you were a member.
Just because we are all Christians doesn't give us the right to blatantly criticize the way another
sister church is run. If you don't like it, join and get on a committee or become a deacon and then
Wednesday, September 2, 2009 - 01:28 PM
It is a bit of an insult to today's believers for you to compare yourself to any Biblical character in
justifying your condemnation of FBC, Jax.
Seems like a bunch of people have drunk deeply of the Tom Rich koolaid.
Wednesday, September 2, 2009 - 3:09 PM
At least I'm glad to see that you read my comments.
As for you looking for some "love and concern" for Tom Rich and his family that is a specious
argument. There would have been no need for this had Tom shown integrity and gone to meet
with Mac before starting his anonymous blog. You're just trying to turn something around on Mac
when its Tom's fault pure and simple. If he was the spiritual church member that you say he was,
then he could have gone up to Mac at any service or simply gone into his office and he would
have met with him. Once Tom's identity was finally revealed and he actually admitted it, then it
was still Tom's responsibility to go and meet with Mac.
I stand by my statements that what goes on in FBC, Jax is their business. You may not agree
with what they and their pastor do but you are not a member and therefore have no say. Tom
knew how that church was run when he joined it so he shouldn't be whining. I guarantee you that
Jerry Vines and the Lindsey's ran the church the same way. What a church chooses to pay their
pastor is their business and their business alone. If you don't like it, then don't join that church.
It is really unbecoming for you to know only one side of a story and be so blatant in your criticisms
of a pastor and a church family.
Thursday, September 3, 2009 - 09:04 AM
I'm just wondering why you think you are an expert on how Mac should and shouldn't respond to
Tom Rich. I'm also surprised you don't correct Tom for having an anonymous blog in which he
denigrates the pastor and the church and even encourages people not to tithe. I think FBC, Jax
did the right thing in finding out his identity and then removing him from their fellowship. A cancer
will only serve the destroy the fellowship of the body.
I am not a fan of Mac Brunson nor do I agree with some of the things he has done but I don't
have the right nor the privilege of evaluating him on a blog or in public. If I were a member of that
church then I would respectfully call or visit him and discuss our differences. And I would be sure
to be very upfront with my identity. I do know Mac personally and also know that I can reach him
anytime I would choose to call him--and btw, I am not rich!
Its disingenious to come on a blog and criticize Mac for what you think he should do when you
weren't there in the beginning and you have never corrected Tom Rich for his anonymous blog.
Thursday, September 3, 2009 - 02:47 PM
If you actually do go to church on a regular basis, then be assured that I am praying for your
pastor. He has his work cut out for him.
Thursday, September 3, 2009 - 05:33 PM
I agree with a great deal of what you have said because I know quite a few of the mega church
pastors and in person they are more disgusting and insecure than you can even begin to
imagine. They have mirrors on every wall to admire their majestic beauty.
On the other hand, there are thousands of God-fearing, humble servants who are pastors and I
get tired of hearing nothing but criticism. Many of the people who write blogs and comment on
blogs are disgruntled members or ex-members who are busy trying to blame someone for their
spiritual condition. We need to always remember that our allegiance isn't to a man--is to Jesus
and Him alone. It seems there are sure a lot of spiritual and non-spiritual people who are
members of mega-churches who seem to like what they have. Its somewhat presumptious of
someone else to come on a blog and call them all sorts of names because they don't agree.
Perhaps it would help if everyone kept their noses in their own business.
Friday, September 4, 2009 - 05:45 PM
I would tend to agree with Silly Boy. I think he is quite the wise man. Perhaps it would do you
well to listen to his admonitions--especially since you are so free in giving out admonitions to
Monday, September 7, 2009 - 09:03 AM
You have become so predictable on here... Anytime I disagree with you then it casts doubts on
my "faith and character." That's a ridiculous argument and you know it.
There was much truth in what Silly Boy said. Just bring your claws in long enough to look for
truth in what he said. You might actually find it if you take your blinders off long enough.
I do appreciate your reading my comments though.
Monday, September 7, 2009 - 02:37 PM
Just so I don't say something that I shouldn't, or God forbid, offend someone, let me ask a few
1. What entitles you to blog about a pastor's salary when you don't even know how much it is?
2. What entitles you to blog about the inner workings of another Baptist church of which you are
not a member?
3. What entitles you to blog about someone when you haven't met them in person or even talked
4. Have you shown your blog to your pastor and church leaders? Do they approve? Do you
actually attend a church?
5. What entitles you to blog about a gift that a pastor receives when you aren't even sure of all
the facts surrounding the gift?
6. What entitles you to blog about a pastor and his motives and actions when you haven't sat
under his teaching or even been a member of his church?
Not wanting to start a fight but would just like to know some simple answers without you attacking
me and my faith.
Monday, September 7, 2009 - 05:42 PM
I get to question you because of all the aforementnioned reasons you all give.
After I sift through all your rhetoric, the bottom line is that you have no idea how much Mac makes
but you feel justified in condemning him. You have no idea of the details of the land deal but you
speculate about even his motives. You think because you can type that you can attack a pastor,
his staff, and an entire church.
Just a few of the things I learned from your posts.
BTW--I am NOT a member of FBC, Jacksonville.
Monday, September 7, 2009 - 10:33 PM
And where might I find these women of "sufficient gravitas?"
It is always interesting to see how you say you can no longer discuss anything with someone if
they happen to disagree with you. I would think you would be open to people evaluating you and
your blog since you are so free in your evaluation of other Christians.
Just a little food for thought.
Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - 11:17 AM
I just reread Silly Boy's comments and I honestly think he was just teasing you and being
sarcastic. Surely noone believes that part about the meopaustic moment...
I do however think there was some food for thought in his asking you if your pastor has read your
blog and what he thinks.
Personally, I put little stock in what Tom Rich says so his comments about Silly Boy are
irrelevant. I do however find it interesting to note that Tom said his new pastor does not like his
blog and wants him to shut it down. Perhaps he should listen to his spiritual advisors.
Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - 03:35 PM
As usual you are presenting only one side of the issue. Hopefully there will a little truth in your
forthcoming posts since you claim to be such unbiased Christian reporters.
While you have time on your hands, why not go to Texas and investigate Jack Graham at
Prestonwood Baptist and Robert Jeffries at FBC, Dallas. They both fit your description--but oh,
there are no bloggers to give you the "truth."
I'll be looking forward to your next post on Jerry Sutton. I'm sure there is much more to reveal
about his evilness.
Wednesday, September 9, 2009 - 08:39 AM
Let me see if I have this right...
If I remember correctly, Lydia doesn't even attend a church but yet she's an expert on how they
should be fun. You aren't even a Southern Baptist any longer but you are also an
expert. Something is missing here...
I personally know many of the mega church pastors as well as hundreds of other Southern
Baptist pastors and I can assure you that they have far less authority in the money matters than
you think. Every one of these churches have committees and/or deacons and elders to give
oversight to the financial matters so you are blowing a horn with no meaning.
I think if you check the Two Rivers situation you will find that the malcontents were removed from
the membership and the church reaffirmed Jerry Sutton. The courts also did not find any financial
misdealings. They had committees that gave their approval to what was happening so in their
case, that's their business and not yours. You can speculate all you want but the bottom line is
that is how they want their church run.
The specious argument about yes men is just that. A ridiculous argument and one that is usually
raised by someone who has never held a position of authority.
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 09:09 AM
Sorry about the misspelled word in the previous post. It should have said that Lydia is an expert
on how a church should be run. It might be fun but she's no expert on how it should be run.
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 09:13 AM
Sorry if I was wrong but I thought I remembered somewhere where you said that you did not
attend church. If you don't, then I was right; if you do, then I was wrong and apologize.
I have no problems with authority but I do think the NT gives very specific instructions about a
church structure and levels of authority. Seems that many have a problem submitting to any
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 04:38 PM
While I do not disagree with many of your assumptions, I think many of them are just "spiritual
whining" by people who are not, and never will be, in a position of leadership.
I know I would enjoy your upcoming articles even more if you actually could get an interview with
the pastors of the churches you are dissecting. I'm not going to fall for the specious arguments of
those who are out of the loop and probably don't even attend those churches.
Just a suggestion...
Monday, September 14, 2009 - 02:46 PM
I guarantee you that I could call any of the SBC mega-church pastors and get an appointment
with them within 10 days. They are not unapproachable but they are not going to be sucked into
some superflous blogging argument with someone who isn't even a member of their churches.
"Spiritual whining" is when someone, either by choice or personal attributes, is not selected,
elected, or chosen for leadership and then they spend the majority of their lives obsessing over
those in leadership and their human faults. I've watched it for many years but now it seems to be
All churches, pastors, staff, and members have their faults. Its time to work together to grow the
Kingdom instead of this incessant fault-finding and griping about every church we can attack.
Monday, September 14, 2009 - 05:17 PM
And before all you start jumping on me and ripping me to shreds, I know many of the mega-
church pastors personally and know more about their personal faults than any of you. But, I still
love them as a brother and am willing to accept them with their faults. Perhaps you might
consider a little grace instead of a constant diet of judgment...
Monday, September 14, 2009 - 05:22 PM
I'm sorry that I supported the ugly words of Silly Boy. I am now awaiting your forgiveness and
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 08:54 AM
Of course. I pray for you daily. Don't interpret my not agreeing with you as not liking you and
praying for you.
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:36 AM
Its so nice to feel loved and accepted...
However, I hope you will print the "other side" of some of these issues instead of just taking the
word of Tom Rich and the anonymous woman blogger in Memphis. They are hardly trustworthy.
I'm pretty sure you will never get an interview with Mac Brunson or Steve Gaines but at least you
tried. Maybe you should show up in their churches and offer to buy them lunch...
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:44 PM
"However, I hope you will print the "other side" of some of these issues instead of just taking the
word of Tom Rich and the anonymous woman blogger in Memphis. They are hardly trustworthy."
Based on my experience with mega church pastors I am more inclined to believe anonymous
bloggers. Because I have seen what they write about. If there were a better side of the story, trust
me, the PR folks at the mega would have made sure we all know about it. That is what they are
paid to do. When the other side of the story is worse, they are quiet. Or they claim their lawyers
tell them not to talk. (Lawyers carry more wieght than the Holy Spirit)
I"'m pretty sure you will never get an interview with Mac Brunson or Steve Gaines but at least you
tried. Maybe you should show up in their churches and offer to buy them lunch..."
Wait, you said earlier it would be easy to get in to see them. Or is that just you bragging about
You keep giving clues about how little you do know about mega churches and their pastors. .
mega church pastors usually have an appointments secretary who manages his calendar. Lunch
could be 6 months out. You know how important they are.
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 01:07 PM
I hate to disappoint you but I do know them and can get through to them whenever I want. Its not
a big deal and I'm neither rich nor influential. I do know they all love to eat so perhaps the way to
their office is through their stomachs.
Try it, you might like the results.
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:15 PM
You sure give a lot of credit to my statement about spiritual whining--but sadly, you missed the
point. I have no problem with talking about the structures of churches but I have also found that
complainers usually have some typical symptoms. It has nothing to do with my view on pastoral
authority or lack of it.
Here are some of their whining characteristics:
1. They always think the pastor makes too much money. Unfortunately, none of them are on the
committees that set the salaries thus they whine.
2. They always think that people on committees are "yes men/women". Unfortunately, none of
them were selected to committees so they whine.
3. They always want "openness and transparency" but they are members of a church that has
voted to leave some issues in committees. Again, they are not members of those committees so
4. They think disagreement is a virtue. Sadly, this is not true but at least it gives them another
excuse to whine.
5. They love to boast of their spirituality and boldness on a blog but never seem to have the
courage to stand up in a business meeting and say something. Thus, they whine yet again.
Just a few little morsels for your thoughtful and prayerful consideration.
(I'm sure there will be plenty of attacks coming but that's fine with me. Remember, I'm not talking
about pastoral authority--I'm talking about spiritual whiners in the church.)
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 08:30 AM
As much as I like you, I am beginning to think you are a whiner... Maybe not a bad one but still
one indeed. I'm not sure I would want to be your pastor because disagreement for
disagreement's sake is not a virtue.
I will however keep reading your blog because it gives me good sermon material.
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 01:52 PM
I was wondering if I could ask you for some help. You appear to have considerable influence in
the SBC since you have sat on key committees. Since you are buddies with many of the mega-
pastors and can get appointments with them expeditiously, you could help me take care of a
Because the pastors don't return my calls, could you use your considerable influence to get Deb
and me appointments? I will take them out to lunch/dinner. You are welcome to join us since they
will be more comfortable in your presence.
See, this would be a perfect use of your skills and it would be fun to work with you!
On the whining issue, I still think you are using it to avoid dealing with the serious issues we have
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 03:56 PM
Just wondering if you would like me to send you my syllabus and class notes from seminary when
I took the following courses:
How To Abuse Church Members And Appear Loving & Innocent
How To Take Up A Good Offering
How To Make Church Members' Lives As Miserable As Possible
How To Deal With Menopaustic Women In The Church
How To Deal With Malcontents
How To Remove A Malcontent In Three Easy Steps
How To Get Free Land and Houses As A Pastor
These are just a few that I thought you would really enjoy. Let me know what you think. Hope
you are having a good day!
Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 03:35 PM
Did I miss something about Mac and Tom? If so, please let me know so I can go.
I hate to disappoint you but my previous post was a satire--not a reality. And another little
disappointment for you--I was NEVER taught in seminary that pastors are in authority over
anyone else. I'm sure this puts a kink in your evaluation of pastors but so be it... (And btw, I
have a doctor's degree from seminary so I went to plenty of classes and know from whence I
Fixing to enjoy some wonderful grilled salmon so I hope you all have a wonderful evening.
Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 06:53 PM
"And btw, I have a doctor's degree from seminary so I went to plenty of classes and know from
whence I speak."
Are we supposed to be impressed by that?
Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 07:20 PM
I could care less if you are impressed by a doctor's degree. I didn't get it for you.
I would be much more impressed if you would come out and tell people who you are though.
Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 09:43 PM
Hey, Mr. Smarty pants PHD, the phrase is "I Could NOT care less"
Friday, September 18, 2009 - 09:29 AM
"hate to disappoint you but my previous post was a satire--not a reality."
Cooper, the key to humor is that it contains elements of truth. That is what makes it funny. I was
not kidding you when I said many of those exact topics were discussed openly by pastors on
pastors.com a while back.
" And another little disappointment for you--I was NEVER taught in seminary that pastors are in
authority over anyone else. I'm sure this puts a kink in your evaluation of pastors but so be
it... (And btw, I have a doctor's degree from seminary so I went to plenty of classes and know
from whence I speak.)"
Just more indoctrination from the ivory tower folks who are paid with CP dollars. Which is
interesting because I was reading the Book of Reports not long ago and it said a full prof at SBTS
However, since I live in a seminary town and have many family members with big fancy degrees
from it, I do know what most of them teach. And most of our SBC seminaries teach wannabe
pastors they have authority over others in the Body. They are churning out little popes.
You have only proved it by your many comments here accusing those with serious questions and
disagreements of 'spiritual whining' and jealous of not having authority over others.
You gave yourself away. Now you are backpeddling.
Let us know when you have secured a dinner meeting with Mac, Gaines and the others.
Friday, September 18, 2009 - 01:15 PM
My advice to all of you who hate established churches, pastors, leadership and everything
connected with the organized church--just stay away. Don't go, don't read about them, don't
listen to tv reports, and just enjoy your lives. Its not worth all the hyperventilating that goes on
among some of you.
Or, you could always continue your search for the perfect church--and then join it. OOPS--then it
wouldn't be perfect anymore would it?
Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 07:15 AM
Sorry I'm late. I was having a late lunch with a mega pastor to discuss his spirituality... I don't
remember telling you I would ever arrange a lunch date for you but you are more than welcome to
call their offices directly and request a meeting. Just don't whine to me when you aren't
I will change the word "hate" to "despise." I still stand by everything I said in the post though. It is
interesting that anyone who disagrees with you is either hateful, out of the will of God, insensitive,
or lost. Kind of a pathetic scenario isn't it?
I'm gone for the rest of the day. I hope you have good luck arranging your lunch dates. I
however will ask them personallly if any of them would like to meet with you--but please don't
hold your breath waiting for a positive reply.
Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 05:52 PM
Good morning o wise wenches of the Wartburg.
So glad to see that you think you can see me everywhere. My friend on Rich's blog would be
honored to be me but alas, he is not. We are however good friends and email frequently. How
else do you think I would know about your menopausal problems that cloud your every thought.
Have a good day and good luck with your ongoing PMS.
Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 07:44 AM
So Tom Rich is now threatening to out me. How Christlike.
I hate to disappoint you and what you think you know but I don't have nor run a business. I'm on
welfare and totally at the mercy of the federal government.
May God bless you for showing us your true nature.
If you do know me, email me and I promise I will answer and we can have a nice friendly man to
Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 09:44 PM
To the Wonderful women at the wartburg
Last night I had a road to Damascus experience. I realized that this blog is a sincere and deep
expression of the faith of the people who post here. I repented in my heart of all of the hurtful
things I have said to all of you.Although I am busy, being a pastor, serving on key SBC
committees and am best friends with all of the leaders, I still have time to collect my welfare
check and I want to thank all of you for paying your taxes to keep me going.
Do you forgive me?
Friday, September 25, 2009 - 11:43 AM
Of course we forgive you. We hope you get off Welfare soon.
Friday, September 25, 2009 - 11:44 AM
Will all of my friends read my repentance statement on the last post? I am eager for your
Friday, September 25, 2009 - 11:47 AM
I hate to disappoint you but I did not write the 11:43 A.M. post. I have neither repented of things I
have said about this blog or any feelings I have had toward you for sponsoring it. I am however
on welfare and do need your prayers and support.
To whomever stole my name, may the Lord put a curse upon your wicked head.
Friday, September 25, 2009 - 10:49 PM
To all of my wonderful friends at the Wartburg
As days go by, I realize what a louse I have been. I can barely stand to live with myself. However,
because I am on Welfare, even though I am a pastor and friend to the rich and famous, I found
out that I can receive a couple of sessions at the local mental health clinic. In the meantime, I
continue to beg for the forgiveness from these fine Wartburg women who have pointed me to the
better way-the way of love.
Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 01:55 PM
Good morning girls. This is the REAL Cooper signing in and wishing you a wonderful day. You
have my blessings as you strive to dig up dirt on yet another pastor and church. I'm sure the Lord
is blessed by your every effort.
Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 07:07 AM
Good morning girls. This is the REAL COOPER. Its so nice to see you giving me so much
It just reinforces my sentiments that you are truly the Warburg Wenches. I can only imagine what
it is like being your pastor (if you even actually do attend church.)
And for all your concerned readers: imagine how the two Wenches have changed other people's
posts to reflect their warped viewpoints.
Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 07:20 AM
Good morning o glorious wenches,
Just read your article about Steve Gaines and Bellevue. Interesting that you are such an expert
but not on staff nor on any committee so you actually do not kow the facts. You actually think you
can sit on the sidelines and know the best way to deal with a situation. Kind of pathetic reasoning
on your part.
I did not your snide little cat-like comment about Steve's "trophy" wife. Sounds to me like a bit of
feminine jealously--and might I add, not very becoming on such a spiritual giant like yourself.
Keep up digging. I'm sure you'll find many more juicy morsels for our enjoyment.
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 09:12 AM
I hate to dispute your "reliable" sources but I can guarantee you that Adrian Rogers knew about
Paul Williams. I knew him and there was nothing going on that he didn't know about. Its just
another case of hero worship at Bellevue to say he didn't know.
As usual, you are sitting in your kitchen acting like an expert on things you were not privy to. Just
another reason you should keep your nose out of other people's churches and affairs.
Don't you need to be paying attention to your own son today???
Thursday, October 1, 2009 - 07:11 AM
As usual you find out there is indeed another side to your snide comments about churches and
Methinks it would do you some good to either not post about something or actually do your
research to find out the truth before you start blogging.
Friday, October 2, 2009 - 03:26 PM
Since you are such a supporter of transparency why don't you get the woman who authors the
anonymous blog at Bellevue to come clean? You are only hearing her side of the story and I'm
sure there is much much more to what is happening in that church.
A good reporter always reports both sides of a story.
Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 08:31 AM
Your responses are so typical and predictable. You always attack anyone who questions or
disagrees with you. The bottom line is the woman blogger in Memphis just lurks around and
complains and gripes but is never willing to stand up and be counted--in her own church! IF she
actually is a member of Bellevue, then she should stand up and share the truth about herself and
I have to at least give you credit on this blog for acknowledging who you are.
Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 11:32 PM
Quite an interesting blog here. Written by a bunch of women who castigate men for everything
they can find or even imagine. What a great way for a Christian woman to spend her day......
Monday, October 12, 2009 - 09:00 AM
I am glad that you are in the kitchen cooking where a woman rightly belongs.
I do enjoy reading your blog though. Its fun watching two women act like spiritual giants and then
hearing all their cronies chime in.
I would find the blog much more interesting if you would actually print both sides to something
instead of just one viewpoint. If Mac and Steve are so evil, then why are people still flocking to
Monday, October 12, 2009 - 09:32 AM
Mondays are a great day for all arm chair quarterbacks to come out of the woodwork. Seems like
every day is a good day for all you "pastoral experts" and armchair pastors to come slithering out
of the woodwork.
Remember the old saying is that everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an
________. And they are all worth about the same.
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 09:03 AM
You are just so full of ...........
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 09:19 AM
Thanks so much for your evaluation. I knew you were quite the spiritual woman.
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 11:27 AM