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                                         ACT I

(Dr. Aubrey Levin)
 I WOULD REGARD HIM AS ONE OF THE MOST PRE-MEDITATIVE, CUNNING
OFFENDERS THAT I’VE COME ACROSS IN MY LIFE.

(Male Victim)
MY MOM AND DAD ASKED IF BRIAN WAS TOUCHING ME, AND I JUST
REMEMBER SAYING, “YES,” AND I JUST CRIED.

(Bob Forster)
 THIS IS YOUR TEXTBOOK PEDOPHILE: NO CONSCIENCE, NO REMORSE.

(Alarm clock ringing)
(Crash throws alarm clock and breaks mirror)
(Man crying)

(Male Victim)
I COULDN’T LIVE WITH WHAT BRIAN HAD DONE TO ME BACK THEN, AND
AFTER BURYING MY EMOTIONS FOR PROBABLY 10 YEARS, THEY EXPLODED
ONE NIGHT, AND I CALLED MOM, AND SAID, “SHOULD I REPORT IT?”
AND SHE SAID, “YEAH.”

(Victim’s Mother)
I WAS IN TEARS, AS HE WAS, AND I SAID, “GO FOR IT.”
SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE.

(Andy Seidemann)
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ONE OF THE VICTIMS FINALLY CAME
FORWARD IN 1993 IS THAT THIS PERSON WAS HAVING NIGHTMARES AND
DREAMS ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO - AND HE FELT THAT HE COULDN’T
LIVE WITH THAT ANY LONGER, AND THAT HE NEEDED TO TELL SOMEONE,
AND THAT HE NEEDED TO TELL THE POLICE.

(Andy - actor)
THIS IS ABOUT THE BEST DAMN THING IN THE WORLD, ISN’T IT? FISHING.

(Victim – actor)
YEAH, IT’S – IT’S PEACEFUL.




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(Andy - actor)
LISTEN, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO TALK ABOUT, SO WE’RE
JUST GOING TO TAKE OUR TIME, AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT’S COMFORTABLE
FOR YOU.

(Victim - actor)
THERE’S NO WAY TO MAKE THIS COMFORTABLE.

(Victim)
I KNEW HIM AS BRIAN RIESTEAD. HE HAD WORE THOSE TINTED GLASSES, KIND
OF, AND HE JUST SEEMED LIKE A REGULAR GUY, I GUESS. MY MOM AND DAD
WERE ALWAYS WANTING TO DO SOMETHING FOR SOMEBODY, AND THEY ASKED
HIM OVER FOR SUPPER. AND I THINK THAT’S HOW HE GOT TO KNOW US.

(Actor - Brian’s voice)
YEAH, YEAH. GET A LITTLE CLOSER, OKAY? YEAH, THAT’S GOOD.

(Victim)
HE TOLD ME I REMINDED HIM OF HIS BEST FRIEND WHEN HE WAS A KID,
A KID THAT HE HUNG OUT WITH.

(Actor – Brian)
YEAH, THAT’S NICE. HERE. OKAY.

(Victim)
HE ALSO SAID WHEN HE WAS A FIGHTER PILOT, THAT HE DID A LOT OF
OUTDOOR CAMPING SURVIVAL STUFF, AND HE SET A TENT UP IN OUR BACK
YARD.

(Actor - Brian’s voice)
YOU LIKE FLYING, TOMCAT? DON’T WORRY! YOU AND ME? WE’RE GONNA MAKE
THIS FLIGHT TOGETHER. YEP.

(Victim)
ONCE THE ABUSE STARTED, THEN I REMEMBER SAYING THAT I DIDN’T WANT TO
SLEEP IN THAT TENT. HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS HALF WOMAN AND HALF MAN,
SO WHAT HE WAS DOING ISN’T WRONG. I DIDN’T WANT TO GO IN THE TENT,
AND I HAD TO GO IN THE TENT.

(Victim – actor)
I’M SORRY.

(Andy Seidemann)
I BECAME EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED TO THIS FILE, BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF
TIME I INVESTIGATED IT. AND - AND THE NUMBER OF INTERVIEWS I HAD TO
CONDUCT WITH VICTIMS THAT WERE VERY EMOTIONAL. AND THOSE HAVE A
REAL AFFECT ON YOU.




                                                            Transcript, Page 2
(Victim)
YOU CAN’T GET RID OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT I KNOW OF. YOU CAN TALK
TO DOCTORS, OR WHATEVER, BUT IT DOESN’T GO AWAY.

(Victim)
THIS IS HELL. OR THIS HAS BEEN HELL.

(Victim)
I THINK IT WAS HARD TO GET CLOSE TO MY DAD, BECAUSE HE WAS A MAN.
IF HE CAME TO HUG ME, I DIDN’T LIKE IT.

(Female victim)
I JUST FELT BAD. I FELT DIRTY AND GROSS, AND I DIDN’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
IT. AND I WANTED TO KILL MYSELF.

                                 ACT II
(Victim)
I DON’T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN BARRON CAME TO TOWN, BUT I MET HIM
AT THE HOME OF MY FRIENDS, WHERE I SPENT A FAIR BIT OF TIME. MY FRIENDS
HAD SAID HOW EXCITING THIS MAN WAS. HE TOLD THEM ALL KINDS OF
STORIES, HE DREW THEM PICTURES OF FIGHTER JETS AND HELICOPTERS,
AND TOLD THEM STORIES OF FLYING THESE THINGS.

(Female Victim)
YEAH, HE WAS INTERESTING.

(Female Victim)
VERY ARTISTIC. HE DID A LOT OF DRAWING, AND A LOT OF SCULPTING,
AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HE DID A WOOD CARVING FOR US OUT OF JUST A PIECE
OF DRIFTWOOD.

(Victim)
HE REALLY LIKED TO SING. VERY MUSICAL. HE PLAYED THE GUITAR AND THE
STEEL GUITAR.

(Victim’s Mother)
HE TOLD US HE WAS A COOK, AND HE PREPARED MOST OF THE SUPPERS, AND
DID A GOOD JOB WITH IT.

(Victim)
HE BOUGHT ME ALL KINDS OF NICE THINGS. HE BOUGHT ME A BRAND NEW
GUITAR. HE BOUGHT ME A PAIR OF SHOES - EXPENSIVE PAIR OF SHOES, I
REMEMBER. I’D NEVER WORN BRAND NEW NIKE SHOES BEFORE.

(Female Victim)
I DIDN’T SEE HIM AS A BAD PERSON. I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON WAS WRONG,
BUT HE WAS STILL THE PERSON THAT COOKED AND PLAYED WITH US, AND
SPENT TIME WITH US, AND HUNG OUT. THE MOMENTS THAT WERE BAD
WEREN’T - WEREN’T HAPPY, BUT THERE WERE ALSO GOOD TIMES, TOO.

                                                             Transcript, Page 3
(Actor - Brian’s voice)
ONE MORE TIME. PRAISE THE LORD!

(Church Congregation Voices)
PRAISE THE LORD!

(Guitar music and clapping)

(Actor - Brian’s voice/sings)
O JESUS, MY SAVIOR IS WALKIN’ WITH ME.

(George Thurlow)
HIS MODUS OPERANDI WAS A RELIGIOUS ONE, IN THAT HE WOULD SHOW UP IN
TOWN, AND HE WOULD SEEK OUT SOME FORM OF CHURCH. AND WOULD SHOW
UP THERE, GIVE TESTIMONY, CLAIM TO BE SAVED, CLAIM EVEN AT SOME POINTS
TO BE A MINISTER IN HIS OWN RIGHT.

(Clapping)

(Actor - Brian)
THANK YOU, LORD. AMEN.

(Congregation)
AMEN. AMEN.

(Clapping)
AMEN.

(Actor - Brian, speaking in Cree)
THANK YOU, BROTHERS AND SISTERS, FOR LETTING THIS HUMBLE MAN,
CHEYENNE MORNINGSTAR, SING A SONG AND SHARE HIS TESTIMONY OF JESUS.

(Dr. Aubrey Levin)
HE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEARCH OUT THE RIGHT KIND OF FAMILIES,
PREFERABLY THOSE WHO HAD STRONG RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. HE WOULD SEEK
OUT THE FAMILIES, AND SEEK OUT THE CHILDREN WHO WERE VERY
RESPECTFUL OF AUTHORITY, AND YET CHILDREN WHO CRAVED AND WHO
WANTED ATTENTION, LOVE, AND SOMEBODY TO PLAY WITH.

(People laughing)

(Dr. Levin)
AND HE THEN PLAYED THE ROLE TO A “T”.

(Actor Mother)
HE’S ALWAYS WANTED TO PLAY.

(Actor Brian)
THAT’S RIGHT.


                                                           Transcript, Page 4
(Dr. Levin)
AND WITH THE GROOMING OF VICTIMS, HE WOULD SLOWLY COME CLOSER AND
CLOSER, TO BE IN SITUATIONS OF TRUST WITH THEM, WHERE HE COULD MORE
EASILY ENGAGE IN HIS ACTIVITIES.

(Victim)
WHEN I INITIALLY REFUSED HIS ADVANCES, HE WOULD QUOTE SCRIPTURE TO
ME, AND HE QUOTED FIRST CORINTHIANS 13 TO ME, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE
LOVE CHAPTER. AND WHAT HE WOULD SAY IS THAT THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO
LOVE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. AND WHAT MADE THE SITUATION EVEN MORE
CONFUSING WAS THE FACT THAT BARRON RECENTLY CLAIMED TO HAVE
CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY, AND SO I FELT SOMEWHAT RESPONSIBLE,
THAT I HAD TO TREAT THIS MAN RIGHT.
(Laughter from television)
(Actor “Brian” laughing)

(Actor Victim)
JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!!

(Actor Mother)
HONEY! PLEASE! PLEASE COME BACK! JUST TALK TO ME!


                               ACT III
(Pastor Kelly Schultz)
I’M INCLINED TO SAY THAT CHURCHES ARE VERY VULNERABLE TO THIS KIND
OF INTRUDER, THIS KIND OF PREDATOR, BECAUSE CHURCH FAMILIES IN
GENERAL ARE VERY RESPONSIVE AND VERY OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WILL
COME. AND IN FACT, THEY ENCOURAGE THAT. THEY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
COME.

(Victim’s Mother)
OH, I WAS VERY, VERY, VERY FULL OF GUILT THAT BAD THINGS HAD HAPPENED
IN MY HOUSE - IN OUR HOUSE, AND WE WERE DEVASTATED. WE DIDN’T KNOW
WHAT TO DO, WHERE TO GO. IT WAS ALMOST AS THOUGH THE BOTTOM HAD
FALLEN OUT OF BOTH MY HUSBAND AND I.

(Actor – Brian in Cree)
DUNZAY. GOOD MORNING.

(Actor Dad)
CAN WE TALK TO YOU FOR A MINUTE, CHEYENNE?

(Victim)
I REMEMBER MOM AND DAD SAYING - THEY SAID THEY FAILED IN PROTECTING
US, AND I WOULDN’T EVER WANT TO FEEL WHAT DAD GOES THROUGH, OR
WHAT MOM GOES THROUGH, THINKING ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS.



                                                           Transcript, Page 5
(Actor - Brian)
SURE, BROTHER. LET’S TALK.

(Dr. Levin)
I FEEL ALMOST MORE SORRY FOR THE PARENTS, BECAUSE THE PARENTS,
COMING FROM SUCH A STRONG, RELIGIOUS, PRINCIPLED BACKGROUND.

(Actor – Brian)
LET’S BEGIN WITH A PRAYER.

(Dr. Levin)
FEEL GUILT, FEEL ANGST, FEEL A SENSE THAT THEY HAD PERHAPS BEEN A
PARTY TO THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF THEIR CHILDREN. BECAUSE OF THEIR
NAIVETE, THEIR FAITH AND THEIR TRUST MIGHT FOREVER BE LOST.
(Knocking on door)

(Actor Dad)
CHEYENNE? SOMEONE’S HERE TO SEE YOU.

(Victim’s Mother)
HE LEFT THE 22nd OF JUNE. THAT WAS THE DAY AFTER MY YOUNGEST
DAUGHTER’S BIRTHDAY. HE PREPARED A MEAL FOR HER BIRTHDAY AND HE
JUST LEFT. I DIDN’T - WE DIDN’T KNOW WHERE HE WAS GOING. I DON’T KNOW
HOW HE LEFT, WHERE HE WENT, OR ANYTHING.

(Female Victim)
I REMEMBER WALKING DOWN MAIN STREET AND THINKING THAT I SAW BRIAN,
AND RUNNING AND HIDING IN CLOTHES IN A STORE. I WAS TERRIFIED OF
RUNNING INTO HIM AGAIN. AND I SAW HIM EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW?
YOU’D GO INTO A CROWD, AND HE’D BE THERE.

(Andy Seidemann)
BRIAN RIESTEAD WAS A CHAMELEON. HE DISAPPEARED. I MEAN, HE LEFT
PIERCELAND, NO ONE KNEW WHERE HE WENT. HE CHANGED HIS NAME SO
OFTEN, AND BECAUSE HE LEFT NO TRAIL,LIKE, THERE WAS NO WAY TO TRACK
HIM. IT MADE HIM EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO LOCATE.

(Bob Forster)
THIS FILE, BY THE TIME ANDY HAD ARRIVED, PRETTY MUCH SWINGING AT
SHADOWS. THIS GUY HAD JUST VANISHED INTO THIN AIR.

(Andy Seidemann)
THE FILE WAS NINE YEARS OLD, AND I ALREADY KNEW THAT EFFORTS HAD
BEEN MADE TO TRY TO LOCATE HIM, AND HE HADN’T BEEN FOUND.

(Female Victim)
I PHONED ANDY A LOT. I REMEMBER GOING TO THE POLICE STATION IN
PIERCELAND TO SEE HOW THINGS WERE GOING. IT WAS VERY SLOW, VERY
FRUSTRATING, AND IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO FIND SOMEBODY?


                                                            Transcript, Page 6
BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE THAT YOU DON’T EVEN
KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

(Andy Seidemann)
IT’S NOT - IT’S NOT ME TO GIVE UP. AND FOR ME TO TURN AROUND AND SAY,
“NO, I CAN’T FIND THIS GUY,” THAT’D BE ADMITTING DEFEAT. AND THE
MOUNTIES ALWAYS GET THEIR MAN. AND I BELIEVE THAT. AND I WASN’T GOING
TO BE THE FIRST MOUNTIE NOT TO GET MY MAN.
(Church music)

(Andy Seidemann)
WHAT I REALLY NEEDED WAS A BREAK. I’D INVESTIGATED THIS FOR ALMOST
TWO YEARS, AND I GOT THE BREAK WHEN RIESTEAD MADE A MISTAKE. HE
SURFACED AT A CHURCH IN ABBOTSFORD, AND RAN INTO SOMEONE THAT HE
HAD VICTIMIZED SEVERAL YEARS EARLIER AT ANOTHER LOCATION, AND THEY
RECOGNIZED HIM AS BEING THE ONE THAT HAD VICTIMIZED THEIR SON.

(Actor Mom)
NO! PLEASE! NOT HERE!

(Andy Seidemann)
WHEN THE PARENTS OF THIS VICTIM CALLED THE ABBOTSFORD POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE INFORMED THEM THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE
SPEAKING TO THEIR SON, AND WOULD REQUIRE A STATEMENT FROM HIM TO
PROCEED WITH CHARGES. IN THE MEANTIME, THE VICTIM - THE SON DECIDED
TO TAKE MATTERS INTO HIS OWN HANDS. AND THIS YOUNG MAN WENT OVER
TO, AS HE PUT IT, I BELIEVE IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, “TAKE A LIMB.”

(Victim Actor)
SOMEBODY CALL THE COPS!
I KNOW IT’S YOU!

(Andy Seidemann)
WHEN RIESTEAD WAS ARRESTED IN ABBOTSFORD IN MAY OF 1995, HE WAS
ARRESTED UNDER ALLEN WARREN HANSEN. THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE POLICE
COULD MAKE ANY CONNECTION THAT ALLEN WARREN HANSEN WAS BRIAN
RIESTEAD.
(Buzzer)

(Andy Seidemann)
AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT RIESTEAD WENT TO JAIL, I WAS USING A NEW
TOOL THAT HAD COME ON STREAM IN SASKATCHEWAN CALLED VICLAS.

(Bob Forster)
THE VICLAS IS A GATHERING SYSTEM OF M.O.’s - MODUS OPERANDIS - FOR
CRIMINALS. AND THROUGH THAT LINKAGE, IF IT’S - IF THE M..O. IS THE SAME,
VICLAS WILL LINK THAT, AND ULTIMATELY THAT CAN GIVE US A NAME.




                                                               Transcript, Page 7
(Henry Derkatch)
WHEN WE GOT ANDY’S SUBMISSIONS, OF COURSE WE ENTERED THEM ON THE
VICLAS DATABASE, AND LATER ON, WE RECEIVED A VICLAS SUBMISSION FROM
ANOTHER COMMUNITY, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LINK THOSE
TWO CASES TOGETHER.
(Phone ringing)

(Actor – Andy)
PIERCELAND R.C.M.P., SEIDEMANN. (Pause) HEY, HENRY! HOW’S IT GOING?

(Andy Seidemann)
HENRY DERKATCH PHONED ME AND TOLD ME THAT HE HAD MAKE A TENTATIVE
LINKAGE. I WAS PRETTY EXCITED ALL RIGHT.

(Andy Seidemann)
SO, I WENT THROUGH THE LIST, AND I SEARCHED IN EACH PROVINCE, AND I
DIDN’T – I DIDN’T RECEIVE ANY HITS. SO, I GO AND I PICK UP HIS CRIMINAL
RECORD, AND WHEN I DO, I SEE THAT THE FIRST CONVICTION HE HAS IS 1957,
AND THE NAME THAT HE USES IS ALLEN WARREN HANSEN. SO, I GO BACK IN
THE LIST OF ALIASES, AND I REALIZE THAT, SOMEHOW INADVERTENTLY,
IT WAS LEFT OFF THE LIST. HUMAN ERROR, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY
THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS AT TIMES. SO, I RECEIVED THIS HIT THAT HE’D BEEN
ARRESTED BY ABBOTSFORD FOR A SEXUAL ASSAULT.

(Andy - Actor)
BOB. IT’S ANDY. WE GOT A MATCH.

(Bob Forster)
ANDY JUST ABOUT CAME OUT OF HIS CHAIR. I MEAN, THE REALIZATION WAS,
“I HAVE FOUND THIS GUY.” I HAD VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO GO ON,
AND I FOUND THIS GUY.” THAT’S AWESOME.
(Buzzer)

(Andy Seidemann)
I QUERIED THAT NAME ON THE 9th OF FEBRUARY, 1996, AND THE REASON I CAN
REMEMBER THAT IS BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN RELEASED FROM PRISON ON
FEBRUARY 6, 1996. I COULDN’T BELIEVE HOW I HAD JUST MISSED THIS FELLOW
BY A NUMBER OF DAYS. IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS COMING OUT OF A MOVIE!


                                  ACT IV
(Andy Seidemann)
WHEN I MADE CONTACT WITH ABBOTSFORD, RIESTEAD HAD BEEN PUT ON
PROBATION, SO HE WAS TO REPORT TO A PROBATION OFFICER. SO, HE HAD
PROVIDED AN ADDRESS THAT HE WAS GONNA STAY AT. AND I ASKED
ABBOTSFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CHECK ON THE ADDRESS, AND THEY
NOTIFIED ME LATER THAT THAT WAS A BOGUS ADDRESS. NO ADDRESS EXISTED.



                                                              Transcript, Page 8
(Bob Forster)
HE WAS GONE. IN A MATTER OF HOURS, I MEAN, HE’D BE OUT OF THAT AREA.
I MEAN, THIS WAS NOT SOMEBODY THAT WAS GOING TO FOLLOW ANY ORDERS
OF THE COURT.

(Andy Seidemann)
ONCE HE DIDN’T REPORT FOR PROBATION, I FULLY EXPECTED HIM TO GO BACK
TO HIS OLD LIFESTYLE. I FULLY EXPECTED THAT HE WOULD CHANGE HIS NAME
AGAIN. I KNEW HE’D BEEN IN ALBERTA, SASKATCHEWAN, ONTARIO, SO IT
DIDN’T SURPRISE ME THAT HE WOULD LEAVE BRITISH COLUMBIA.

(CBC reporter)
THE R.C.M.P. DON’T HAVE THEIR MAN YET, BUT THEY SAY, THANKS TO THIS
COMPUTER, THEY NOW KNOW WHO HE IS. 57-YEAR-OLD ALLEN WARREN
HANSEN. HANSEN WAS ACTUALLY IN JAIL IN BRITISH COLUMBIA FOR SEXUALLY
ASSAULTING A CHILD, WHEN A COMPUTER LINKED HIM TO THE PIERCELAND
ASSAULTS. BUT HE WAS USING ANOTHER NAME, AND BY THE TIME POLICE
MOVED IN, HE HAD BEEN RELEASED. THEY’RE HOPING THAT SOMEONE
RECOGNIZES HIS PHOTO AND TURNS HIM IN.

(Actor - Brian)
THAT’S IT. I’M OUTTA HERE!

(Actor - Drunken man)
AH, COME ON! AH, COME ON, YOU CAN’T LEAVE NOW!

(Actor - Brian)
NAH, I’M OUTTA HERE.

(Actor - Drunken man)
NO, NO, SIT DOWN, I’LL BUY YOU ANOTHER ROUND. YOU KNOW, FINISH YOUR
STORY. I NEVER MET A FIGHTER PILOT BEFORE.

(Actor – Brian)
OKAY, OKAY, OKAY, BUY ME A BEER! ANOTHER ROUND!

(People talking)

(Actor - Brian)
OKAY! WAITER, THANK YOU.

(Actor - Brian)
YOU KNOW, I’VE GOT DIAMOND MINES IN ALASKA, I’VE GOT AN OIL FIELD IN
TEXAS, SOME LAND IN THE EASTERN TOWNSHIPS OF QUEBEC –

(Drunken man)
OH YEAH?




                                                            Transcript, Page 9
(Gunshots)

(Andy Seidemann)
I WAS IN REGINA AT THE TIME, ON A COURSE. I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM
A CONSTABLE THAT WAS STATIONED IN PIERCELAND, SAYING, “HEY, THEY’VE
JUST ARRESTED YOUR SUSPECT, RIESTEAD. HE’S IN CALGARY.” SO, THAT WAS
PRETTY EXCITING. DURING THE TIME THAT I’D BEEN LOOKING FOR HIM, I SORT
OF DEVELOPED AN IMAGE IN MY HEAD OF WHAT HE’D LOOK LIKE. I ACTUALLY
PICTURED SOMEONE WHO WAS, LIKE, ABOUT SIX FOOT TWO, AND WEIGHED
ABOUT POUNDS - LIKE, BIG MAN, EH. AND I NEVER FORGET WHEN I FIRST SAW
HIM, IT WAS, LIKE, QUITE A SHOCK – HE LOOKED JUST LIKE AN OLD MAN.

(Andy Seidemann RCMP Tape)
HOW ARE YOU TODAY?

(Brian Riestad RCMP Tape)
YOU’RE RECORDING ME?

(Andy Seidemann RCMP Tape)
I’M TAPING THIS INTERVIEW, YEAH. OKAY.

(Andy Seidemann)
YEAH, I DIDN’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS GUY! I REALLY DIDN’T! YOU HAD TO
BE NICE TO HIM, BUT YOU KNOW - AND I’D TELL HIM ALL THIS, YOU KNOW,
YOU INTERVIEW, BUT YOU KNOW – NO! I WANTED HIM CUFFED, AND STUFFED,
AND PUNTED, AND DON’T EVER WANT TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY AGAIN,
AND GOOD RIDDANCE!


(Andy Seidemann RCMP Tape)
LOOK AT ME. I’M GOING TO ASK YOU, OKAY – AND BE AS HONEST AS YOU KNOW
YOU HAVE TO BE. DID YOU FONDLE THE KIDS IN PIERCELAND?

(Brian Riestad RCMP Tape)
NO.

(Andy Seidemann RCMP Tape)
YOU DIDN’T?

(Brian Riestad RCMP Tape)
NO.

(Andy Seidemann RCMP Tape)
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY ANYBODY WOULD SAY THAT YOU FONDLED THOSE
CHILDREN?

(Brian Riestad RCMP Tape)
I DON’T KNOW.



                                                            Transcript, Page 10
(Andy Seidemann)
I INTERROGATED HIM, BECAUSE I WANTED HIM TO CONFESS TO THE OFFENSES
IN PIERCELAND. AND HE DID NOT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

(Andy Seidemann RCMP Tape)
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THEY WOULD SAY YOU DID FONDLE THEM?

(Brian Riestad RCMP Tape)
THAT I DON’T KNOW, EITHER. I DON’T KNOW. I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON’T KNOW
WHAT REASON. NOW MAY I GO, PLEASE?

(Andy Seidemann RCMP Tape)
ABSOLUTELY, AL.

(Andy Seidemann)
HE WAS REMANDED. THIS GAVE HIS LAWYER TIME TO SPEAK WITH HIM, AND
INITIAL - I THINK THE INITIAL PLEA WAS “NOT GUILTY.” WE WERE LINING UP
FOR A TRIAL, AND THEN, AT SOME POINT LATER, HE DECIDED THAT HE WAS
GOING TO CHANGE HIS PLEA TO “GUILTY.”

(Actor - Andy)
LISTEN, I GOTTA BRING YOU UP TO SPEED TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. HE’S
DECIDED TO PLEAD “GUILTY,” WHICH IS GOOD, BUT THE LIKELIHOOD IS HE’LL
PROBABLY SERVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NINE MONTHS AND TWO YEARS.

(Actor – Victim)
NINE MONTHS TO TWO YEARS? THAT’S IT. THAT’S ALL HE’LL GET?

(Actor - Andy)
PROBABLY. I KNOW IT SUCKS, BUT THE GUY KNOWS HOW TO PLAY THE SYSTEM.

(Actor – Victim)
THANKS A LOT!!

                                 ACT V
(Child)
HEY, DON’T EAT MY SHOE! DON’T EAT MY PANTS.

(Verena Seidemann)
I THINK ANY FATHER THAT HAS FOUR CHILDREN, AND SEES THAT, THEY’RE NOT
GOING TO SLEEP ‘TIL THAT PERSON’S TAKEN OFF THE STREET. THEY’RE JUST -
THERE’S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT, AND I THINK THAT’S A FATHER THING.

(Andy Seidemann)
WE KNEW WE WANTED THIS PERSON INCARCERATED INDEFINITELY.
AND I DON’T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THE VICTIMS WANTED HIM TO HAVE
NINE MONTHS.



                                                              Transcript, Page 11
(Actor – Andy)
HEY, IT’S ANDY SEIDEMANN. LISTEN, I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT DO
YOU THINK ABOUT GOING AFTER BARRON AS A DANGEROUS OFFENDER?

(Judge Tim White)
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT THEY HAVE TO PROVE IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME
RECENT OFFENSES OF A VERY SERIOUS NATURE THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED.
THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVE THAT THERE ARE SERIOUS OFFENSES OF A LIKE
KIND THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED IN THE PAST. AND FINALLY, WHAT THEY
MUST PROVE IS THAT THERE IS NO REAL LIKELIHOOD THAT THE PERPETRATOR
IS GOING TO CHANGE, AND THAT THEREFORE THE ONLY WAY THAT SOCIETY
CAN BE ADEQUATELY PROTECTED IS TO PUT THE PERSON IN JAIL FOR THE REST
OF THEIR LIVES.

(George Thurlow)
I WAS OF THE VIEW THAT THE DANGEROUS OFFENDER PROCEEDING, AND THE
ULTIMATE DANGEROUS OFFENDER PENALTY WAS FAR MORE DRACONIAN THAN
WAS APPROPRIATE FOR A TIRED, BURNT-OUT OLD MAN.

(Dr. Levin)
MY IMPRESSION, RIGHT AT THE OUTSET, WAS ONE OF A HIGHLY MANIPULATIVE
PERSON, A PERSON WHO WAS ATTEMPTING TO USE THE SITUATION To HIS OWN
BENEFIT, BUT UNDERNEATH IT, COULDN’T HIDE HIS EGOCENTRICITY AND HIS
NARCISSISM.

(Actor – Brian)
LEVIN? YOU’RE JEWISH.

(Actor – Levin)
I AM. YES.

(Actor – Brian)
MY BACKGROUND IS JEWISH, TOO.

(Actor – Levin)
REALLY? I HAD NO IDEA. CERTAINLY FROM THE NAME, I WOULDN’T HAVE
THOUGHT THAT –

(Actor – Brian)
ACTUALLY, MY FAMILY NAME WAS BAR ARRON, BUT MY GRANDPARENTS
ANGLICIZED IT TO BARRON, AFTER THEY GOT TO WINNIPEG.

(Dr. Levin)
HMM. THAT’S INTERESTING.

(Actor – Brian speaks Hebrew)




                                                            Transcript, Page 12
(Dr. Levin)
HIS SKILLS, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE, OR IN TERMS
OF LANGUAGE, SUCH AS HEBREW, WAS ENORMOUS.

(Actor – Levin)
LEVITICUS.

(Actor – Brian)
LEVITICUS CHAPTER 16, VERSE 10. LET HIM GO, AS A SCAPEGOAT INTO THE
WILDERNESS.

(Andy Seidemann)
HE REALLY DIDN’T HAVE MUCH EDUCATION, BUT HE PASSED HIMSELF OFF
AS A LEARNED PERSON. HIS FAMILY MEMBERS WERE AMAZED THAT HE COULD
SPEAK DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. THEY NEVER KNEW THAT HE HAD AN APTITUDE
FOR THAT. MY IMPRESSION OF HIS UPBRINGING WAS THAT HIS PARENTS SPLIT -
WERE DIVORCED. LIFE WASN’T ALWAYS EASY AT HOME FOR HIM.

(Dr. Levin)
I’VE GOT LITTLE DOUBT THAT HIS BEHAVIOUR PATTERN HAD BEEN
ESTABLISHED DURING ADOLESCENCE, AND THAT THIS PATTERN CONTINUED
THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE.

(Andy Seidemann)
IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIND AS MANY VICTIMS - AND TO FIND RECENT
VICTIMS, IF WE COULD. AND THAT WAS GONNA STRENGTHEN OUR CASE. I WAS
HOPING THAT CONSTABLE SEIDEMANN WOULD NOT FIND ANYBODY ELSE - YOU
KNOW, ANY FURTHER POTENTIAL COMPLAINANTS. YOU KNOW, THE DANGER OF
NOT FINDING RECENT VICTIMS WOULD BE THAT THE ARGUMENT COULD BE
THAT, “LOOK MY CLIENT HASN’T OFFENDED IN, YOU KNOW, 7, 8, 10 YEARS.”

(Bob Forster)
ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS, AND I THINK THIS WAS MADE BY A DOCTOR, WAS
THAT HE WAS AT THE POINT OF - THAT BARRON WAS AT THE POINT OF BURN-
OUT – PEDOPHILIC BURN-OUT. AND THAT - I RECALL THAT BEING MAYBE ONE
OF THE ARGUMENTS, THAT HE WAS NO LONGER A DANGER TO SOCIETY.
AS LONG AS BARRON COULD MOVE, HE WAS A DANGER TO SOCIETY.

(Andy Seidemann)
THESE VICTIMS REALIZED THAT WE DO CARE. AND THAT WE - WE WEREN’T
GONNA TAKE AN EASY WAY OUT. I MEAN, TO GO WITH THE DANGEROUS
OFFENDER HEARING WAS GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT MORE WORK. WE COULD
WALK AWAY ONCE HE’S PLED GUILTY, AND HE’D TAKE A SENTENCE, AND WE
CAN WALK AWAY AND CLOSE OUR FILE. WE WANTED TO GO THE EXTRA MILE,
TO HAVE HIM DECLARED A DANGEROUS OFFENDER. THROUGH THE MEDIA
ARTICLES THAT WERE PUBLISHED, WE RECEIVED SEVERAL OTHER TIPS.
SO WE - I KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO INTERVIEW THESE
OTHER VICTIMS, AS WELL.



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(Female Victim)
HIS PICTURE WAS IN A NEWSPAPER, AND OUR AUNT HAD SEEN IT. AND SHE JUST
COULDN’T LET THIS – SHE DIDN’T THROW IT AWAY, ‘CAUSE SOMETHING ABOUT
THIS PICTURE BUGGED HER, AND JUST ONE NIGHT IT CLICKED THAT THAT’S
WHO IT WAS. SO THEN WE CONTACTED ANDY.

(Victim’s Mother)
ANDY HAD TO GO FROM TOWN TO TOWN, TALKING TO PEOPLE, DIGGING UP
EVERYTHING, BRINGING UP HURTS, OLD MEMORIES.

(Victim)
JUST PHONED ME OUT OF THE BLUE, SO I WAS LIKE, I’M IN TROUBLE,
I GUESS, FROM THE LAW. “OH, THERE’S A MESSAGE ON HERE FOR - THE COPS
WANNA TALK TO YOU.” AND I’M LIKE, “WHAT DID I DO, NOW?”

(Actor – Andy)
HEY. HOW’S IT GOIN’?

(Andy Seidemann)
WE DID FIND A FAMILY IN MANITOBA, WHOSE SON WAS VICTIMIZED.
AND THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, ‘CAUSE THERE AGAIN, WE
SHOWED WE’D REDUCED THE GAP. WE’D REDUCED THE GAP TO 1992,
SO, NOW WE’RE ONLY TALKING A THREE-YEAR GAP, INSTEAD OF A SIX-
OR SEVEN-YEAR GAP. IT WOULD SHOW THE COURT THAT, NO, THIS PERSON
ISN’T - IS STILL A PEDOPHILE. HE’S STILL PREYING ON CHILDREN.

(Actor – Mother)

(Andy Seidemann)
THIS GUY WAS VERY MANIPULATIVE. I ALWAYS HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT HE
FELT THAT HE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT SMARTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.

(Actor Brian)
“MY DEAR FRIENDS, GREETINGS IN JESUS’ NAME. I WILL OMIT ALL THE
GARBAGE, AND ADDRESS MY PRIME PURPOSE FOR WRITING.
AS YOU KNOW, I AM INCARCERATED AT THE MOMENT.”

(Actor - Mother)
“I NOTICED YOUR COMPLAINT IN THE POLICE REPORTS – DO NOT GET
INVOLVED IN THIS MESS. LET THE WORD OF GOD BE YOUR GUIDE.”

(Andy Seidemann)
FOR HIM TO WRITE A LETTER TO A VICTIM AND QUASI-THREATEN THEM WITH
GOD, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT UP HIS ALLEY, ‘CAUSE I THINK HE FELT THAT HE
COULD CONTROL THESE PEOPLE. THAT HE COULD HAVE HIS WAY, INTIMIDATE
THEM MAYBE INTO NOT TESTIFYING.

(Actor - Mother)
“REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE WHO TOUCHED SAUL. II SAMUEL I 14.
I NEED NO REPLY TO THIS LETTER. PRAY FOR ME. YOURS IN CHRIST,
CHEYENNE.”

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                                ACT VI
(Policeman)
THIS WAY.

(CBC Reporter)
THE COURTS HAVE FOUND 65-YEAR-OLD LOUIS BARRON GUILTY OF SEXUALLY
ASSAULTING SEVEN CHILDREN. BUT RECENTLY, OTHERS HAVE TOLD POLICE HE
MOLESTED THEM, TOO. SOME WERE AS YOUNG AS SIX. THEY’RE FROM PLACES
SUCH AS PIERCELAND, SASKATOON, HEPBURN, MACKLIN, DUCK LAKE. THAT’S
NOT TO MENTION COMMUNITIES IN OTHER PROVINCES. IN TOTAL, 20 MALE
AND 3 FEMALE VICTIMS WILL TESTIFY AGAINST BARRON AT A DANGEROUS
OFFENDER HEARING THAT STARTED THIS WEEK. THE JUDGE CAN GIVE BARRON
A JAIL SENTENCE, OR HE CAN DECIDE THAT BARRON IS A DANGEROUS
OFFENDER, AND GIVE HIM AN INDETERMINATE SENTENCE, AND THAT MEANS
POSSIBLY NEVER GETTING OUT OF JAIL. JO LYNN JANE, C.B.C. NEWS,
PIERCELAND.

(Andy Seidemann)
THE DANGEROUS OFFENDER HEARING TOOK PLACE RIGHT HERE IN THIS
COMMUNITY HALL IN PIERCELAND. THIS WAS THE TABLE WHERE THE
WITNESSES WOULD SIT AT. THERE’D BE A CHAIR RIGHT IN FRONT, HERE.
TO MY LEFT IS WHERE THE CROWN COUNSEL WOULD SIT WITH THE POLICE.
AND TO MY RIGHT HERE IS WHERE DEFENSE COUNSEL AND THE ACCUSED
WOULD SIT. AND THEN DIRECTLY BEHIND ME IS WHERE THE JUDGE AND THE
COURT CLERK WOULD BE SITTING.

(Actor - Court clerk)
PLEASE GIVE THE COURT YOUR FULL NAME.

(Female Victim)
EVERYONE WHO WAS TESTIFYING TOOK THEIR TURN, AND WE’D WAIT IN THE
KITCHEN FOR THEM. SO IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DREADING WHEN YOUR TURN
IS.

(Actor - Victim)
THE MAN THAT ATTACKED ME –

(Victim)
I REMEMBER THE JUDGE HAVING ME POINT OUT THE MAN THAT DID THIS,
AND I LOOKED AT BRIAN FOR THAT ONE INSTANT. I STILL CAN’T BELIEVE I SAID,
“THAT GENTLEMAN OVER THERE.” I DON'T KNOW HOW I SAID THAT.

(Actor - Victim)
HE STAYED WITH US FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, AND DURING THAT TIME -

(Victim)
MOVED ON THE NEXT QUESTION RIGHT AWAY, WHICH WAS GOOD. AND TRYING
TO TAKE A DRINK OF WATER STUCK OUT IN MY MIND QUITE A BIT, CAUSE I
COULDN’T HOLD THE CUP STILL. THE JUDGE TOLD ME TO TAKE MY TIME,
BUT IT SEEMED LIKE AN ETERNITY.

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(Actor - Victim)
I WAS JUST – I WAS SO YOUNG –
(Crying)

(Victim’s Mother)
I DO REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY SITTING UP IN THE WITNESS STAND THERE,
ACROSS FROM THE JUDGE, AND ARNIE WOULD NOT LOOK UP. MOST PEOPLE,
YOU CAN LOOK INTO THEIR EYES, LIKE THEY’RE THE WINDOW OF YOUR SOUL.
ARNIE HAD NO SOUL.

(Actor Victim)
MY PARENTS - MY PARENTS HAD NO IDEA.

(Victim)
WHEN I WAS IN COURT AND I SAW BRIAN, I COULDN’T UNDERSTAND WHY HE
WAS SO CLOSE TO ME. LIKE, I WANTED TO HURT HIM.

(Marg Decharme)
I JUST FELT THAT MR. RIESTEAD WAS WORSE THAN A MURDERER. THAT A
MURDERER KILLS HIS VICTIMS AND THE SUFFERING IS DONE, BUT FOR THESE
PEOPLE, IT’LL NEVER END.

(Victim)
I DIDN’T KNOW HOW IT WAS GONNA TURN OUT. FROM WHAT I’VE SEEN ABOUT
THE COURT SYSTEMS IS THEY’LL SLAP THE GUY ON THE WRIST, OR WHATEVER,
AND I WASN’T WILLING TO PREPARE - WILLING OR PREPARED TO TAKE THAT.
(Door opening)

(Actor -Judge)
THIS IS THE DECISION IN THE MATTER OF THE QUEEN VERSUS ALLEN WARREN
HANSEN...

(Voice recording of Judge White)
ALSO KNOWN AS BRIAN RIESTEAD, ALSO KNOWN AS MR. BARRON. HE CHOSE
TO VICTIMIZE CHILDREN THAT CAME FROM EVANGELICAL RELIGIOUS
FAMILIES. THE OFFENDER’S BEHAVIOUR IN RELATION TO THE CHILDREN WAS
MONSTROUS.
...BY GETTING THE BOY ALONE IN THE TENT AND KISSING HIM, PUTTING HIS
TONGUE INTO THE FRIGHTENED BOY’S MOUTH.
...THE OFFENDER TOOK THIS YOUNG GIRL INTO HIS CONFIDENCE AND
PROCEEDED TO SEXUALLY ABUSE HER. HE ALSO MADE HER TOUCH HIS PENIS,
BY PUTTING HER HAND IN HIS PANTS.
...HE FOCUSED HIS ATTENTION ON A SIX-YEAR-OLD. HE PERFORMED ORAL SEX
ON THIS SMALL BOY, AS WELL.

IT IS OBVIOUS FROM THE RECITATION AND ANALYSIS OF THE OTHER EVIDENCE
IN THE CASE THAT I AM SATISFIED, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, THAT THE
OFFENDER HAS COMMITTED ALL OF THE SEXUAL OFFENSES ALLEGED AGAINST



                                                          Transcript, Page 16
HIM, INCLUDING THOSE FOR WHICH HE HAS NEVER BEEN CHARGED, BUT
WHICH I HEARD EVIDENCE CONCERNING. AND I AM SATISFIED, BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT, THAT THERE IS NOT ONLY A LIKELIHOOD, BUT A VERY
STRONG LIKELIHOOD, AND A VERY STRONG PROBABILITY OF HIS CAUSING
INJURY, PAIN, OR OTHER EVIL TO OTHER PERSONS THROUGH FAILURE IN THE
FUTURE TO CONTROL HIS SEXUAL IMPULSES. I THEREFORE FIND THE OFFENDER
TO BE –

(Actor - Judge)
I THEREFORE FIND THE OFFENDER TO BE A DANGEROUS OFFENDER, AND
IMPOSE A SENTENCE OF DETENTION IN A PENITENTIARY FOR AN
INDETERMINATE PERIOD.

(Female Victim)
I REMEMBER LOTS OF PEOPLE CRYING, AND BRIAN’S FACE WENT RED.
BUT HE DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING.

(Victim)
YOU KNOW, AFTER SO MANY YEARS I FINALLY GOT CALLED UP TO COURT TO
TESTIFY, AND TO REALLY PUT A CLOSURE, AND CASE CLOSED.

(Victim’s Mother)
 MY DAUGHTER GOT AS CLOSE TO HIM AS SHE COULD, JUST SO THAT SHE
COULD SAY, “YOU’RE NO LONGER IN CONTROL OF MY LIFE.”

(Victim)
ANDY’S MY HERO, AND I’VE TOLD HIM THAT. HE KNOWS. AND HE STILL OWES
ME A ROUND OF GOLF. I ADMIRE HIM FOR HIS DEDICATION TO SEEING THIS
THROUGH, AND MAKING SURE BRIAN CAN’T HURT ANYONE ELSE.

(Bob Forster)
I GUESS IT EXEMPLIFIED TO ME ONE MAN’S GUT DETERMINATION TO
APPREHEND SOMEBODY THAT HAS VIOLATED SO MANY CHILDREN. AND THAT
IS AN EXAMPLE - A HUMBLING EXAMPLE TO US ALL.

(Andy Seidemann)
I WILL SPEAK TO PEOPLE ON OTHER OFFENSES, AND SOMETIMES WHAT PEOPLE
WILL SAY TO ME IS THAT, “I DON'T WANT TO BECOME INVOLVED.” AND - AND IN
THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THESE PEOPLE ALL BECAME INVOLVED, AND THIS WAS
PAINFUL. IT TOUCHED THEM PERSONALLY; IT TOUCHED THEIR FAMILIES
PERSONALLY.

AND I CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE HOW MUCH ANGUISH WENT ON, AND HOW MUCH
GUILT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE FELT, AND HOW MUCH ANGER SOME OF THESE
PEOPLE FELT. BUT THEY ALL STEPPED UP. AND IN MY VIEW, AND IN MY
OPINION, THESE ARE THE REAL HEROES.


Closing Credits


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