Template for comments and secretariat observations
Date: 2008-06-04
Document: : ISO/IEC JTC1/SC31 WG2 351
wg2n351_CD_15459-7_13B.doc
1 MB1 2 Clause No./ Subclause No./ Annex (e.g. 3.1) (3) Paragraph/ Figure/Table/ Note (e.g. Table 1) 4 Type of comment2 5 Comment (justification for change) by the MB (6) Proposed change by the MB (7) Secretariat observations on each comment submitted
AU 1
Australia objected to the New Work Item N2419, and hence has no comments on this CD. ISO/IEC 15459-7 is proposing a distinction between individual items (part 4) and product packaging (part 7). Even though this distinction is being made, the same GS1 Application Identifiers and ASC MH10 Data Identifiers are used in parts 4 and 7 for individual items and product packaging respectively. Clause 4 from ISO/IEC 15459 Part 3:Common Rules states that mechanisms exist that distinguish between the classes (see clause 4 below). This clause is being contradicted using the same means of identification for the two different classes of individual item and product packaging. ISO/IEC 15459 Part 3:Common Rules Clause 4 ... Mechanisms exist that distinguish between the classes. ISO/IEC 15418 and ISO/IEC 9834-1 address three methods that achieve this type of distinction by the use of a specified character (or string of characters) that defines the structure and meaning of the data that follows. The class identification methods are the GS1 Application Identifiers (AI), the ASC MH10 Data Identifiers (DI) and the ISO/IEC 9834-1 Object Identifiers (OID) that each defines their own dictionary of identifiers. Specifically for ISO/IEC 15459 the applicable OID is 1 0 15459 n, where the value n is under the auspices of this international standard. The class of a unique identifier may be indicated by any of the class identification methods, as appropriate. NOTE 1 Although unique identifiers are often used in combination with class identifiers (see the
Reject the CD Text.
The project editor, BRM, and ISO TC 122 accept the comment. The recommendation of the BRM to is that 15459 Part 4 be organised in such a way as delineate, for the purposes of coding and material handling, the differences between product and product packaging (as opposed to a new Part 7). The BRM accepts the offer of the National Body of UK to submit a revision of the existing CD (attached) to propose an update to Part 4.
1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by **) 2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory. page 1 of 4 ISO electronic balloting commenting template/version 2001-10
Template for comments and secretariat observations
Date: 2008-06-04
Document: : ISO/IEC JTC1/SC31 WG2 351
wg2n351_CD_15459-7_13B.doc
1 MB1 2 Clause No./ Subclause No./ Annex (e.g. 3.1) (3) Paragraph/ Figure/Table/ Note (e.g. Table 1) 4 Type of comment2 5 Comment (justification for change) by the MB (6) Proposed change by the MB (7) Secretariat observations on each comment submitted
examples in the informative annexes of ISO/IEC 15459-1 and ISO/IEC 15459-4), the class identifier is not a part of the unique identifier. NOTE 2 Class identifiers are important distinguishing features for data capture applications. NOTE 3 Each part of ISO/IEC 15459 specifically references the GS1 Application Identifiers (AI), the ASC MH10 Data Identifiers (DI) and ISO/IEC 98341 Object Identifiers (OID) that may be used within the specific unique identifier class.
AT 1
Actual proposal is a replication of some functionalities of ISO/IEC 15459 Part 4 and therefore has to be integrated into Part 4.
The published standard ISO/IEC 15459 – Part 4 already covers much of the requested functionalities and, if unique identification of product packaging is a real requirement, it is best delivered via a revision of ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4.
See AU 1.
BE 1
The published standard ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4 already covers much of the requested functionality and, if unique identification of a product packaging is a real requirement, it is best delivered via a revision of ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4. There are times Product Packaging and Product can not be separated due to the SCM procedure. Therefore, it would require the explanation that 15459-7 and 15459-4 need to be divided clearly.
See AU 1
JP 1
See AU 1. See the revised NP for the use case.
1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by **) 2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory. page 2 of 4 ISO electronic balloting commenting template/version 2001-10
Template for comments and secretariat observations
Date: 2008-06-04
Document: : ISO/IEC JTC1/SC31 WG2 351
wg2n351_CD_15459-7_13B.doc
1 MB1 2 Clause No./ Subclause No./ Annex (e.g. 3.1) (3) Paragraph/ Figure/Table/ Note (e.g. Table 1) 4 Type of comment2 5 Comment (justification for change) by the MB (6) Proposed change by the MB (7) Secretariat observations on each comment submitted
RU
Please note that the CD text of ISO/IEC 15459-7 is very similar to ISO/IEC 15459-4 and includes the same set of GS1 Application Identifiers, ASC MH 10 Data Identifiers and object identifiers. The published standard ISO/IEC 15459 Part 4 already covers much of the requested functionality and if unique identification of product packaging is a real requirement, it is best delivered via a revision of ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4. The justification for a negative vote is that published standard ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4 already covers much of the requested functionality and, if unique identification of product packaging is a real requirement, it is best delivered via a revision of ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4.
There is no need to develop the separate part of ISO/IEC 15459. It is recommended to expand the scope of ISO/IEC 15459-4 to include product packaging.
See AU 1
SG
See AU 1.
ES
See AU 1.
1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by **) 2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory. page 3 of 4 ISO electronic balloting commenting template/version 2001-10
Template for comments and secretariat observations
Date: 2008-06-04
Document: : ISO/IEC JTC1/SC31 WG2 351
wg2n351_CD_15459-7_13B.doc
1 MB1 2 Clause No./ Subclause No./ Annex (e.g. 3.1) (3) Paragraph/ Figure/Table/ Note (e.g. Table 1) 4 Type of comment2 5 Comment (justification for change) by the MB (6) Proposed change by the MB (7) Secretariat observations on each comment submitted
SE
Proposed CD is overlapping with existing ISO/IEC 15459-4 that also uses 25S and 25T (seems to be a modified copy). The NWIP shows one more time that there is a real need for a total review of 15459 to secure that identifiers are used for only one purpose. Mixing purpose for the type of information behind an identifier does not help the users as they then do not know what they are identifying, product, group of products, package, etc. Identifiers are intended to define an guide to a specified type of information enabling different type of information to coexist in a coded format on a given space.
See AU 1. The organisation of ISO/IEC 15459 can not be considered under a BRM for one of it’s parts. This comment refers to all of ISO/IEC 15459 and the BRM recommends that this item be discussed in WG2.
CH
published standard ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4 already covers much of the requested functionality and, if unique identification of product packaging is a real requirement, it is best delivered via a revision of ISO/IEC 15459 - Part 4
See AU 1.
1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by **) 2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory. page 4 of 4 ISO electronic balloting commenting template/version 2001-10