VIEWS: 142 PAGES: 25

									CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.



We are pleased to attach the Minutes for the Ontario Regional Canadian
Marine Advisory Council Meeting which was held at The Ramada Parkway
Convention Centre, St. Catharines, Ontario on March 06, 2002.

________________________                          ___________________________
Phillip Nelson                                    Julian Goodyear

T.C., Marine Safety                               D.F.O., Canadian Coast Guard
Ontario Region                                    Central and Arctic Region
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

        Canadian Marine Advisory Council - Ontario Region
                        March 06, 2002
        Ramada Parkway Convention Centre, St. Catharines, Ontario
                   Rooms: “Plaza A” & “Concord A”

                                Registration: 8:00-8:30

1. Opening Plenary:
     Administration Issues
     Adoption of Agenda
     Adoption of September 26, 2001 CMAC Minutes
     New Agenda Items
     Items from last Regional CMAC

2. Opening Remarks:
     Regional Update - Transport Canada                         Phillip Nelson
     Regional Update - Canadian Coast Guard, D.F.O.             Julian Goodyear

3. National CMAC:                                               Richard Huras, T.C.

4. Harbours & Ports:                                            Alfie Yip, T.C. &
    Updates -                                                   Duane Blanchard, D.F.O.
       -Who Controls what Harbours?
       -How are Rates/fees set?

5. Canada Shipping Act Reform:                                  Elisabeth Bertrand, T.C.
      - Small Vessel Consultations
      -TP11717 and Cutoff discussion updates.

6. Ship Safety Bulletins:                                       Richard Huras, T.C.

7. Canadian Hydrographic Services Update:                       Dennis St. Jacques

8.   U.S.C.G. Update:                                           Richard Huras

                            “Morning Break” 10:15-10:30
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

                               CMAC Agenda Continued
9. Recreational Boating Advisory Council Update &:          Peter Garapick, D.F.0., OBS
          Office of Boating Safety Briefing

10. Marine Advisory Board:                                          Julian Goodyear, D.F.O

11. Water Level Forecasting:                                        Chuck Southam
                                                                    Environment Canada

12. Marine Aids Modernization:                                      Randy Childerhose,C.C.G

13. Liability for Passenger Vessels:                                Christopher Wright
       -Powerpoint Presentation

14. Environmental Update:                                            Matthew Cook, T.C.
      - ballast water issues, sewage regulations

Note: Since no CCG/Pleasure Craft breakout group is planned for the P.M. session, there is
a possibility of the Closing Plenary occurring at this point.

                                   “Lunch” 12:00 - 13:00

15. Ongoing Working Group Updates:
      - Small Fishing Vessel Working Group
      - Electrical Working Group
      - Coal Working Group
      - Small Commercial Vessels.

16. Scheduling of Inspections:                                       Steve Robillard
      - Due to workload is it possible to even out inspections i.e. not 40 vessels at one time?

17. Fee Structure:                                               Steve Robillard
      -Should a fee be charged for safety? How are fee changes notified to public?

18. Communication with Operators:                             Steve Robillard
      -Discussion on communication techniques e.g. NTM’s and SSB’s.

19. Seafarer Certification:                                     Steve Robillard
      Continued proficiency requirements-are there any changes for seasonal seafarers?

                              “Afternoon Break” 15:15 - 15:30
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.


Julian Goodyear, D.F.O., C.C.G., Central and Arctic Region
Phillip Nelson, Regional Director, Marine Safety, Ontario Region


Fred Alyea, Parks Canada, Peterborough
Tom Anderson, Algoma Central Marine, St. Catharines
Bill Ariss, C.C.G., Sarnia
Emil Bende, Maid of the Mist, Niagara Falls
Elisabeth Bertrand, Transport Canada, Ottawa
Jerry Bissette I.S.M.A., Thorold
Peter Burgess, S.L.S.M.C., Cornwall
Wanda Campese, Transport Canada-Programs, Toronto
Randy Childerhose, C.C.G., Parry Sound
Jason Clark, C.P.V.A., Kingston
Matt Cook, Transport Canada, Ottawa
Tito DeConcilys, Toronto Fire Services, Marine, Toronto
Irwin Doxsee, Ontario Boating Forum, Mississauga
Jim Dubeau, Midland Tours Inc., Midland
Paul Dubeau, Midland Tours Inc., Midland
Peter Eagar, Canadian Board of Marine Underwriters, Toronto
Mina Foroutan, D.F.O.-Policy, Sarnia
Jaymie Gadal, Environment, Thunder Bay
Peter Garapick, C.C.G., Office of Boating Safety, Sarnia
Adam Godfrey, Ontario Sportfishing Guides Assoc., Cedar Springs
John Greenway, Upper Lakes Group, St. Catharines
Chris Hawksworth, C.C.G., DFO, Sarnia
Steve Hinchliffe, G.L.P.A., St. Catharines
Rick Huras, Transport Canada- Marine, Sarnia
Mike Jamieson, Trent-Severn Waterway, Peterborough
Dennis Johnson, Thunder Bay Port Authority, Thunder Bay
Terry Jordan, S.L.S.D.C., Massena, N.Y.
Kevin B. Kelly, Georgian College, Port Colborne
Farrokh Kooka, S.L.S.M.C., St. Catharines
Kathleen Lawson, C.P.V.A., Toronto
Jim MacDougall, CAW Local 4401, Thorold
Bret Maukonen, Niagara Marine Secretariat, Niagara College
Greg Meaker, C.C.G., Bowmanville
Elko Merk, C.P.G.L.P., Fonthill
Jack McBurney, Transport Canada-Marine, St. Catharines
Lawrence McGinn, Maid of the Mist, Niagara Falls
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

Eric McKenzie, Algoma Central, St. Catharines
Laurie McNamee, D.F.O., C.C.G., Sarnia
Norman Michaud, Environment Canada, Ottawa
Brian Palmer, D.F.O, C.C.G., Sarnia
Steven Robillard, C.P.V.A., Penetanguishene
George Rudnicki, Transport Canada-Marine, Toronto
Brad Schlorff, OPP General H.Q., Orillia
John Shelley, Shelley Machine & Marine, Sarnia
Judy Shelley, O.B.F., Pt. Edward, Ontario
Chuck Southam, D.O.E., Burlington
Dennis St. Jacques, Can. Hydrographic Services, Burlington
F. Trachman, O.S.G.A., St. Catharines
Sheila Warrington, Transport Canada-Marine, Collingwood/Sarnia, CMAC Secretariat
Charlie Wehr, I.S.M.A.,
Tara Wilking, C.C.G., Sarnia
C. Wright, Mariport, Cambridge
Alfie Yip, Transport Canada-Programs, Toronto
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

1. Opening Plenary - Phillip Nelson

Administration Issues:

Phillip Nelson welcomed participants to the meeting, introductions and opened with general
housekeeping information - telephone message's access, working lunch and payment of same
and Registration desk handouts.

New Agenda Items:

Phillip Nelson called for any new agenda items and advised couple of new items had been
received that being:

       Item 14. Environmental Update - will have a supplementary presentation from Jamie
       Gadal of Ennvironment Canada on the Environment Canada Marine Services.

       Item 15. Working Group Updates - we will have updates on the Ballast Water
       Working Group, CPVA Marine Emergency Duties Working Group and the Detroit/St.
       Clair River Operations Working Group.

No further agenda items were added and the agenda was accepted as written.

Adoption of September 26, 2002 CMAC Minutes:
A motion was made to adopt the minutes as circulated. Adopted.

Outstanding Items from previous meeting: -
Phillip Nelson advised there are no items carried over from the last Regional CMAC.

2. Opening Remarks -

Phillip Nelson:
 Some significant Personnel Changes have taken place within Transport Canada, most
   recent being an announcement by the Director General of Marine Safety, Bud Streeter,
   that he will be resigning the end of this month and taking up employment with Lloyds
   Registry in Halifax. Bill Burch, Manager Inspection Services, Sarnia has recently retired
   and Michael Dua has been appointed as the Manager of Inspection Services replacing
 New Seaway Notice published recently, No. 102, noting three significant items: 1)
   Announcement of the cost sharing agreement of the AIS system 2) Discussing the
   funding shortfall for the study of vessel Squat. 3) Announcing an amendment to Seaway
   practices and procedures regarding ballast water exchange. If you need any further details
   regarding this, Peter Burgess is here today and available to provide further update.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

   Port Warden Harmonization Meeting held recently in Montreal – one of ongoing series of
    meetings between Ontario Region, Quebec Region and Marine Safety Headquarters.
    There will be a new Ship Safety Bulletin coming out on the results of that meeting
    generally pertaining to the question of lock loading.
   An IMO Ship Security Meeting being held in February. Bud Streeter, is the Co-Chair of
    that IMO body and we’re not sure what his status will be upon his retirement from
    Marine Safety. The purpose of this committee is to accelerate the implementation
    schedule for mandatory fitting of Automatic Identification Systems for all ships over 500
    tons on International voyages. Another aim is to amend SOLAS Chapter 11 to include
    special measures for Marine Security and the title of that will be amended accordingly.
    Also, the committee is looking into requiring by code all ships over 500 tons on
    International Voyages to carry Ship Security Plans and a requirement for a Ship Security
    Officer to be onboard each ship as well as the establishment of the company security
    officer position. The committee will recommend that ports also have ports facility
    security plan in place which addresses the ship / port interface. They are also considering
    a port vulnerability assessment be conducted on all ports and they noted an urgent action
    required to update seafarer identification documents to a kind of a document that is not
    easily forged. Canada is in the process of developing such a document in advance of that
    requirement. Sub-committee on radio communications search and rescue and that
    committee will be requested to consider means for provided a capability for seafarers to
    activate an alarm to notify authorities in the event of terrorist activity or hijacking on
    board their vessels. Final recommendation of the group of interests was a formalization
    of co-operation between the world’s Customs organizations. On the National Security
    side, a push to reconsider on how we take care of containerization in Canada and to look
    at the security aspects of that. Doesn’t significantly affect Ontario since we don’t import
    many containers, however, we do stuff a lot here and so there may be some ramifications
    for us in that.
   Transport Canada Marine Inspector National Training Program is getting into full swing,
    highlights being new courses which have been developed, the first being Small Passenger
    Vessel Inspectors Course, this is one of our obligations under the Tobermory Inquest and
    Bud Streeter advised that we would be developing and putting on a course before the
    small passenger vessel season this year. The first one scheduled for March 25. Also
    developing an Investigators Course for all our Inspectors, that course will take elements
    from the RCMP and TSB Investigation courses and incorporate those into our own
    requirements ensure our Inspectors our competent and able to investigate the occurrence.
    Some other courses that are of interest are Port State Control courses, Pollution
    Prevention Officers courses and New Ship Inspectors courses for large ships.
   Series of Small Vessel Regulation Consultations have taken place across the country,
    Elisabeth Bertrand is here today to give us an update on those consultations.
   Regarding Ship Delegation we’re pleased to announce it is ongoing, there are a couple of
    shipping companies who are going into delegation in a big way and the advantage to
    Marine Safety is that it will free up some of our resources to concentrate on other matters.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

Julian Goodyear:
Mr. Goodyear conveyed it was indeed a pleasure to be here today with my colleague from
Transport Canada ad thanked attendees for finding time in their busy schedules to be here this
morning. Broken down Coast Guard update into various programs sections -
     MCTS – We are reviewing the MCTS needs for its services, the nature of services it
       provides and how we provide those services. This will be achieved through a two
       phase MCTS strategic review - phase 1 which is expected to be completed this year,
       and will probably begin in May/June time frame, will basically identify what services
       should be delivered by MCTS and phase 2 will involve assessing the options in terms
       of how these services will be delivered.
     INNAV (Information System on Marine Navigation)is scheduled to commence
       operations in late April/early May at Sarnia MCTS and six other MCTS Centers
       across the country. The INNAV system replaces the database used to support VTS
       operations and provides tools to support vessel traffic services and links to the
     VHF Digital Selective Calling needs analysis is underway and it will determine if
       MCTS traffic services should provide a VHF (DCS) safety service in the St.
       Lawrence River and the Great Lakes and we expect this report to be released in the
       near future.
     Waterways Development for 2002/03 CCG Waterways maintenance have two areas
       of high priority #1 being South East Bend cutoff channel and #2
       Livingston/Amherstberg channel. Dredging project for the South East Bend started in
       fall 2001, disposal site for this project is Dickenson Island. The project will carryover
       into 2002/03 fiscal year and will commence early this spring. Lower Livingston
       Channel and Amherstberg Channel are basically #2 on the priority list for pre-
       dredging surveys, however, preliminary reports have indicated that presently there is
       not sufficient material in both channels for a cost effective dredging project, the final
       decision on these dredging projects will be made after the survey results have been
       reviewed in late May. Other areas that we are monitoring include places in the St.
       Clair River, Detroit River and St. Mary’s.
     NWPA has initiated a process to modernize the Act, legislation and policy
       development is leading this project and we are conducting familiarization programs.
       NWPA training also is continuing for fish habitat personnel within Central and Arctic
       Region and training sessions have taken place in various centers across the region.
     Search and Rescue - last year the number of SAR incidents rose by approximately
       400 over the previous year. RCC Trenton recorded 2200 Marine SAR incidents and
       responded to 405 distress. Our lifeboat season will begin on April 5th with the
       opening of Kingston and will continually open places such as Port Weller, Port
       Dover, Amherstberg and Meaford until completion of Thunder Bay on April 26th.
     Acquisition of the new 47’ lifeboats will continue this year with Thunder Bay
       scheduled to receive its new vessel early in the course of the operating season.
     Peter Garapick will give an update on the Office of Boating Safety later this afternoon
       so I will leave that portion of my report.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

      With respect to our AIDS commissioning for 2002 season, dependant on the weather
       conditions, will start in Lake Ontario on March 11th and continue on through Prescott,
       Cornwall, the Detroit/St. Clair River System and Lake Erie right through until March
       18th. All seaway light buoys are expected to be completed by March 26th and we will
       be continuing with buoy operations concluded with Thunder Bay on May 12th to 15th.
      We will be evaluating the effect of low water conditions on our operations, we placed
       approx. 80 additional buoys over the last two years to address some of these concerns,
       most of these aids were placed in small craft channels in Georgian Bay, they were left
       in last winter and we expect that we will be able to continue with this service in 2002.
      Marine Aids to Navigation is undertaking a national project called Marine Aids
       Modernization Vision 2001, the major thrusts are to advance the use of new
       technologies and in particular the use of LED technology and reducing redundancies
       in our systems. Central and Arctic Regions – the smaller buoys will have been
       changed to plastic by the end of 2002 season. One of our main objectives will be to
       reduce the commissioning and decommissioning period introduced by year round
       light buoys and year round buoys with removable light packages.
      There is an information sheet at the registration desk providing information for
       Marine Service fees.
      We have a prepared a questionnaire that has been distributed here today, we would
       appreciate if you would complete this questionnaire and leave it at the registration
       desk. This will provide us with some very valuable information on your thoughts
       with respect to future CMAC meetings.
      Mr. Goodyear introduced the Canadian Coast Guard staff present today.

Questions to opening remarks:
#1Question: Capt. J. Greenway – Is the DSC survey being conducted by L. Barker or is
Central Region planning on looking at DSC survey or input requirements on a Regional /
local discussion level?
Response: DFO - The evaluation was carried out by Lee Barker and that’s the results that we
will be looking at. It is being looked at more than the regional one as it encompasses both
the St. Lawrence River and the Great Lakes Basin.
#2 Question: With AIS moving ahead in the Seaway, and now probably on an accelerated
pace in the Sault, is there a need for some kind of Industry discussion, at a regional level,
with Coast Guard for AIS implementation for Central Region?
Response: J. Goodyear – In this region we do intend and we are working with the Industry,
USCG and with the Seaway. CCG Nationally is in the process of putting together a National
initiative and will be presenting a memorandum to cabinet seeking funding for national
procurement for both base stations and mobile units for shore beacons St. Lawrence Seaway
mobile units for some CCG vessels. When this is in place there will be a trial period and
with all involved in Central Region.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

2.   National CMAC Update: R. Huras

     Last meeting was held Nov. 5th to 8th in Ottawa. We had representations from our own
     working groups as other groups such as CPVA at the various standing committees. A
     couple of the standing committees that are of interest to this group:
     1) Standing Committee on Construction and Equipment – concerning Lifesaving
         Equipment regulations and amendments, taking into account a TP that was just
         produced entitled “Survival in Cold Waters”. It has some specific recommendations
         and Ottawa is looking very favorably on this report in regards to the kind of
         amendments we want to see in our LSE regs. It concerns buoyant apparatus and
         inflatable servicing also for the lifesaving equipment.
     2) The Standing Committee on Environment –It concerned the Pacific Working Group
         who are working on a National Sewage regulation but also we have incorporated the
         Great Lakes Sewage Prevention Regulations which there will be an amendment to.
         Halons and the disposal and recharging of Halons on board for vessels were
         discussed. There was a subsequent Ship Safety Bulletin with the lists of approved
         Industries that will service and recover the Halons.
     3) The Standing Committee on Personnel –We are developing a new passport style of
         certificate of competency. We will see these new style marine documents within the
         next year or so. Basic Safety Training – there is a working group for MED A1 for
         small commercial vessels and also MED A1 for small fishing vessels. We have
         representatives for the small fishing vessel working group Nationally and also small
         fishing vessel working group Regionally.
     If you haven’t received a copy of National CMAC minutes, you can access this through If you do not have access to the Internet and wish a hard copy please
     contact Rick Huras or the Secretariat to receive a copy.
     National Meeting of the Directors was held recently regarding tweeking of the National
     and Regional CMAC system. They would like to see agenda items submitted earlier and
     regional issues made known.
     Each Standing Committee will now include an item on their agenda called Regional
     Issues and will be asking for issues across Canada. We need adequate representation
     attending the Standing Committees at National CMAC to ensure all the Regional issues
     are made known.
     Next National CMAC being held April 29th to May 2nd. Call letter for potential agenda
     items was sent out Feb. 12th with a proposed agenda for each of the Standing Committees.
     If you did not receive these documents, please contact me.

      S. Robillard, CPVA – At the National CMAC Standing Committee on Construction &
     Equipment meeting, CPVA had representation at that meeting and made a specific point
     regarding liferaft servicing interval extensions. This item was not reflected in the
     National CMAC minutes and CPVA have sent a letter to J. Lynch who chaired that
     committee in this regard. CPVA would like at this time to make Regional CMAC aware
     of their stated position on this matter i.e. “it is the position of the CPVA that if the two
     year service interval is to be allowed for all domestic ships then due consideration should
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

     be given to a four year service extension for vessels that operate in the less harsh
     circumstances of essentially a summer seasonal operation, the rationale for a four year
     extension is that seasonally operated ships have their inflatable survival equipment
     exposed to the elements for only half the period of time as vessels operating year round.
     By allowing for a four year service extension for vessels that operate up to seven months
     this will ensure that the exposure service interval remains ratio remains the same for all
     domestic vessels.

2.   Harbours & Ports: Alfie Yip

Mr. Yip gave an update to Harbours & Ports and advised their name has changed to Public
Ports and Public Port Facilities. Public Ports means “harbour” and Public Port Facility
means “dock”. A presentation handout was made available to membership. “Appendix A”

Rick Huras passed on further information on agenda question from one of the membership in
the absence of Duane Blanchard, DFO.
1.) Who controls what harbours?
As stated by Mr. Yip there are 13 harbours controlled by T.C. and 4-5 by Harbour
Commissions or CPA’s. There are approx. 100 Municipal and private owned harbours and
docks that we don’t have a handle on. Fisheries and Oceans in their small craft harbours
section, have 7 active fishing harbours, 7 harbours that they are divesting and 159
recreational harbours that they control also. Rick suggested that Small Craft Harbour section
be contacted @ 905-639-5377 in Burlington as they are in charge of the fishing harbours and
recreational harbours. Rick has been supplied with three chartlets entitled “Recreational
Harbours Remaining to Divest as of April 2000”, “Fishing Harbours remaining in Ontario”,
“Active Fishing Harbours”, if anyone would like to view these or obtain further information.
2.) How are rates/fees set? S. Robillard, CPVA
Rick Huras advised that firstly, clarify on who owns/controls the harbour which will
determine what fees are charged. i.e. if Transport Canada the fees are set by gazette
regulation, Small Craft Harbour speak with D.F.O., Municipality fee is likely set by bylaw.

3. Canada Shipping Act Reform: Elisabeth Bertrand

Ms. Bertrand gave a slide presentation regarding Small Vessel Regulations, the Canada
Shipping Act 2001 and the Regulatory Reform. The CSA, 2001 received Royal Assent in
November 2001. The process of modernizing the Act is now complete and now moving on
to Regulatory Reform. The new Act will not be brought into force until all the regulations are
aligned with CSA, 2001.
A presentation handout reflecting the reform process, objectives, reform timeframe, phases
and consultations was given to membership (“Appendix B”) followed by question/answer
Question: S. Robillard, CPVA – Will there be further rounds of consultations?
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

Answer: Yes, we are planning to send out in early June a survey of what locations would be
preferred and attempt to visit as many locations per Region as possible and as budget will
permit. We will post one stakeholder summary per Region as well as a National summary.

Question: S. Robillard, CPVA – From the Consultation meeting held in Hamilton, did N. Pau
change the statement to say there was a consensus in the room that these higher cutoff
numbers should be put into place to more properly reflect the Industry that you are trying to
regulate, was there a change in the wording?
Answer: Phillip Nelson advised that Elisabeth Bertrand will look into the minutes of the
meeting to ensure that they reflect the above point has been made and is correct.

Question: A. Godfrey, Fishing Charter Boat, Ontario:-clarification of when the consultations
minutes will be published for comment?
Answer: E. Bertrand – advised that the draft minutes are ready in Ottawa, whoever is
interested could leave their name and obtain a draft copy by email, as well, they will be
posted on the website for all the regions.

6. Ship Safety Bulletins: Richard Huras

Published bulletins issued since last meeting as follows, copies available at the registration
desk or on T.C. internet:
         #09/2001 “New Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon (EPIRB) Carriage
           Requirements for Commercial Vessels”
         #10/2001 “Requirements and Procedures for Issue of STCW 95 Endorsements”
         #11/2001 “Halon Fire Extinguishing Systems Servicing, Re-Cycling and Banking
           Facilities in Canada”
         #01/2002 “Defective Hydrostatic Releases”
         #02/2002 “Horizontal Chart Datums and Position Accuracy”
P. Nelson also advised that there are, in development, some special bulletins for small vessels
being considered by T.C. If anyone does not receive these bulletins and you would like to be
put on the mailing list, please let Rick or Phill know.

7. Canadian Hydrographic Services Update: Dennis St. Jacques

Last year we conducted two major surveys in the Great Lakes. One in Georgian Bay, a
continuation of several years of survey activities in Georgian Bay to update some very old
hydrographic data. Chart #2243 updated. Also conducted new survey of Parry Sound
Harbour. A Demonstration project in Georgian Bay, working with Parks Canada, in Fathom
Five Park to demonstrate new technology acquired over last couple of years to do full bottom
coverage of a lake and to display this information in three dimensions to promote the
underwater habitat in the Park. Revisory survey also carried out to verify charts that are in
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

the production stream and about to be published, we ensure that nothing has been missed
before issuing a new edition.
Products that were published in the last year, new editions of existing charts, Chart #1439,
Chart #2021, Chart #2204, Chart #2205, Chart #2257, Chart #2299. Also a new chart was
produced #2207.
Electronic Navigation Chart program – coverage in Great Lakes is continuous for the
commercial shipping lanes, we have 91 electronic navigation charts which we keep up-to-
date for new information and notices.
Upcoming year – continuing with survey work in Georgian Bay and we will be completing
the survey work that’s required to produce a new edition of Chart #2243 next year. Presently
in negotiations for a new chart of Lake Temiskaming.
Our chart productions plans next year include – a new edition of Chart #2120, Chart #2245,
attempt to adjust 13 Lake Superior charts to presently adopt horizontal datum and will have
completed 11 Lake of the Woods charts that we have been working on in association with
CCG Navaids. Working on two charts in the Trent-Severn, Charts #2023, #2024. New
editions of the Welland Canal and Belleville Harbour. Two new charts in the production
stream Chart #2242 in Georgian Bay replacing #2289 and a new chart of Parry Sound
Harbour #2224. Will be completing a new chart in the St. Lawrence River #1431 which will
replace #1411.

8. U.S.C.G. Update: Richard Huras

Representatives unable to attend today, Rick was asked to relay the following issues on their
1) Great Lakes Waterways Management Forum –Reiterate the working groups within that
forum: Advancement Technology for Navigation Safety, dealing a lot with AIS;
        Outreach working group –pamphlet about the Marine Industry within the Great Lakes;
        Ballast Water working group – holding numerous meetings; looking for a
        Cargo Sweepings working group – ongoing issues
2) Main Issues – Maritime Security;
3) IMO Initiatives;
4) Overseas Containers problems;
5) Conducting a study of the dry cargo residue discharge issue for the C.G. Headquarters.
    Finalized study should be out by June.
Question: John Greenway, ULS – There is some confusion with a directive received from
T.C., Ottawa regarding National Security. There is a 96 hour reporting requirement for all
vessels entering U.S. ports which all of the lake companies comply with and foreign ships as
well. T.C. are now requesting that our crew lists be submitted to Ottawa for the start of the
navigation season, which they will then in turn pass on to U.S. Coast Guard. Canadian
companies have some problems with duplication. Could this matter be looked into and
sorted out within the next week as ships are starting to sail in couple of weeks. This directive
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

came from Richard Day’s office. Is T.C. going to take over the reporting to USCG on our
behalf or are we going to continue doing this ourselves?
 Answer: Phillip Nelson advised we will discuss this matter with Richard Day.

9. Recreational Boating Advisory Council Update& Office of Boating
   Safety Briefing -
   Peter Garapick:

Office of Boating Safety Update:
Recreational Regulatory Issues that will be spoken about: –Operator competency, vessel
identification, boating restriction regulations, noise abatement, CSA regulatory consultations.
    1) Operator Competency –the training requirement for small recreational boat operators.
        Came into force in April 1999, phased in over 10 years, initially for the youth born
        after April 1, 1983, then for any operators of vessels less than 4 meters (which
        includes PWC, small aluminum boats as well as dinghy’s) in effect Sept. 2002, final
        phase is Sept. 15, 2009 -anybody operating a powered vessel recreational boat will
        have to have a pleasure craft operator card. There are 70 course providers operating
        across the country. In the onset there was strong public support for this program, but
        there has been weak public response – operators appear to be waiting until the last
        minute to obtain their operator cards. The big issue is that many course providers are
        focused on making dollars, testing only and not providing the education through the
        course. Three years are up since the regulation came into force and we believe that
        the regulation needs tweeking. Some things we are looking at changing are - will
        there remain a challenge test? Perhaps this should be sunsetted and everyone will
        have to take a course. Also looking at the course itself, does it have the right
        elements? Looking at possible certification of course instructors. One other
        regulatory change –now allows Enforcement Officers to give a ticket to the Owner of
        the vessel (the adult) and not the person operating the vessel if that individual is a
    2) Vessel Identification - Licensing System in Canada. Presently operated by Customs
        offices on our behalf – which is a paper based system only, vessel issued a number
        and documentation filed. For Enforcement purposes, SAR purposes and Boating
        Safety purposes knowing how many boat, what type of boats and where they are, the
        current system is fairly useless. Options for changing this licensing system 1)Status
        quo, 2)Do we take the system over from the CCRA and try and work with the present
        boxes of paper, or 3)Take this back from CCRA and start a entire new system? The
        licensing system has International implications and safety concerns as well. There are
        some user conflicts and concerns such as costs involved, keeping it to the same boats
        i.e. just powered boats greater than 9.9. Coast Guard has some decisions and choices
        to make in this regard.
    3) Boating Restriction Regulations – A workshop was held in January in Winnipeg
        between our DFO Region and the Provincial Representatives, who are working
        administratively on our behalf on this regulatory process. Our goal is to work close
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.
      together to recognize what the regulatory process is and the BRR process is and be
      sure the client, who is interested in bringing the BRR in, is aware of it and it can be
      smooth sailing for everybody. Our position is we don’t want more regulations, we
      believe if there is an issue the two groups should be talking together and working it
      out if it is a small cottage lake or if it’s a river. Ultimately, if the regulation has to
      come in everyone has to follow the process and that will spell out whether or not the
      regulation is supported by the majority or the appropriate people in the community,
      and whether it will come into affect. There is a consideration of using the BRR,
      which are safety focused, to broaden them to environmental issues, such as wake,
      speed and possibly fuel, fumes, exhaust etc. Coast Guard are putting proposal
      together and will be going out to consult/comments firstly with the people aware of
      the regulation and how they work, and then to the public.
   4) Noise Abatement: In past it was using a noise abatement mechanism, putting a
      muffler system in place or taking something out, it was very ambiguous so we worked
      with the enforcement officers and come up with something less ambiguous and more
      enforceable, however, the issue is do we have the time to enforce it. Regarding
      International Borders - American vessels, (this is a small vessel regulation), if these
      vessels meet the standards in their states they can come into Canadian waters and may
      not meet our standards.
   5) CSA Regulatory Reform – Recreation Boat perspective, attendance and discussion
      has been very good at the five consultation sessions held. Common directions at the
      consultations:- agreement on what is commercial and what is recreational, the cutoff
      at 24m, we may look at three groups rather than the current five or six, want to keep
      in mind whether the vessel is commercial or recreational and hopefully look at the
      equipment needs of these small vessels in a similar fashion. Limited support for
      splitting operations i.e. two miles offshore, coastal waters etc. Definite minimal
      support for changing the passenger capacity ratings for small vessels. Risk factors of
      wind, weather conditions were seen best dealt with in training and ultimately should
      be different training requirements for operators of commercial vs. recreational craft.
   6) Promotional Items:
      -Operators’ competency is one of the biggest issues we are trying to promote. In the
      Central and Arctic Region, we are holding a major contest with major Sponsorship
      providing boats, engines, PWC’s and gear. To enter the contest, operators have to
      take a course, obtain a card, complete a ballot and win. There is a draw during safe
      boating week in May and the major grand prize draw is during National Fishing week
      the first week of July.
      -A Poster has been developed showing the NHL Stanley Cup in a PFD stating “wear
      your PFD”. This poster will be placed in minor hockey arenas across our Region
      with the hope that parents/kids will see the poster, think about the boating season,
      take the course and get a card.
      -Program Delivery - we rely on volunteers to help promote our program. Pleasure
      craft courtesy checks continue to be a foundation of the awareness program for us.
      This is a free voluntary check from a boating safety specialist who checks to see if
      your recreational vessel has the safety gear it should have, if they are stowed properly.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

       The safety specialists are volunteer’s, it is a formal process with training and
       screening. There is an incentive program where they earn points to trade-in for gear
       when they work boat shows and give presentations for us.
       -Summer Student program – walk the dock. A very successful program in this
       Region where we have students driving vans and trailers attending events at camps,
       area schools throughout the summertime. If anybody has interest in these people or
       materials please give me a call.

   1) Clarification regarding American pleasure craft coming to Canada – not subject to our
   regulations? P. Garapick advised that all vessels are subject to Boating Restriction
   Regulations. Regarding Small vessel regulation - if a small vessel must meet their home
   jurisdiction requirements for safety gear, as mentioned earlier regarding noise abatement.
   Reciprocal applies for Canadian vessels traveling to U.S. waters.
   2) Concern regarding vessel licensing and registration when taking vessels into the U.S.
   Advises this matter will have to be looked into further.
   3) Issues of mooring areas, gray water and black water, solid garbage etc. Are these type
   of issues being looked at as Environmental impacts and how they might be controlled
   under the BRR. Discussion took place regarding the pleasure craft sewage pollution,
   provincial regulations etc. all being considered and looked at.

10. Marine Advisory Board: Julian Goodyear

Great Lakes Marine Advisory board met on January 25th in Toronto. There was concern
again with respect to the user fee and Mr. Ray Johnson reported that the Commissioner of the
CCG voiced his commitment to resolving the issue and agrees that the Industry and the
Government must find a long-term solution. The focus of meeting was developing a work
plan that was manageable to assist both Industry and CCG in rationalizing some of its
activities. J. Campbell, Mr. Mothersill and Julian Goodyear will put together a work plan for
the advisory board and there will be three focus areas. 1) Industry would like to review the
1997 work that had been done with respect to Aids rationalization. 2) MCTS study taking
place Consulting and Audit Canada is doing consultation on behalf of CCG and there will be
a phase requiring feedback from Industry and the Marine Advisory will be taking an active
role in responding to this. 3) U.S./Canada agreements that we presently have in place for
delivery of services, will be examined and reviewed.

11. Water Level Forecasting: Chuck Southam

Mr. Southam gave a slide presentation on the Great Lakes Water Levels, past present and
future. System formation, long-term variability, seasonal trends and short-term changes.
Advised how natural factors and human factors are affecting the water levels. A handout was
presented (“Appendix C”). Further information can be obtained on their website:
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

12. Marine Aids Modernization: Randy Childerhose

Level of services reviews- we carry out cyclical reviews each year. This year we’re hoping to
do a review on the St. Mary’s River basically the commercial channel up to and including
Thunder Bay. On Seaway side we would like to do from the Eisenhower Locks to Main
Duck Island. As part of those reviews, we would like to have Ship’s Captain’s/Pilots, the
users to come together about this time next year to review the Aids to Navigation that are
provided in those areas. Also working up in Churchill Harbour making some changes and
expect to make more changes in the next year looking at all the Aids in that Harbour. In the
Eastern Arctic again this year doing the review of whole of Angava Bay through to the
Peninsula, anyone with interest in this area, it will be completed this summer and the review
recommendations will be out next fall. One other project still being worked on -
experimental Hay Point Ranges in St. Mary’s River update given. With respect to Aids
Modernization, Central & Arctic, basically the modernization program started about three
years ago is completed, consultations were conducted and everything is done except for the
Eastern Arctic which will hopefully be completed this year. Over the next few years, our
main thrust is going to be to adapt the new technologies in the lighting systems to try and
reduce the cost of providing the service, looking at all the lighted buoys. In the Central and
Arctic system today we now have a total of 553 lighted buoys. Mr. Childerhose provided a
presentation information regarding the number and types of buoys in the Great Lakes,
Seaway, the downsizing of larger buoys, existing buoys, new type of buoy that can remain in
the water winter and summer, advantages and disadvantages.

13. Liability for Passenger Vessels: Christopher Wright

Marine Liability Act came into force August 2001 and regulations for compulsory insurance
for passenger vessels will be in place during 2003. The information background paper and
questionnaire can be accessed on website The Marine Liability Act
requires that any passenger on a vessel will require to be covered in an amount of 175,000
special drawing right units of account this comes directly from the Athens Convention which
is International in nature hence the base currency. At current exchange rates that translates to
approx. $350,000 Cdn. Dollars per passenger. This must be carried by all vessel operators
where a person is carried who is not a member of the crew or any person required for
operation of the boat. There does not need to be a contract of carriage and the liability cannot
be contractually excluded. Therefore, if you are carrying a passenger on your boat, then you
will be required to demonstrate cover.
Some obvious examples of vessels carrying passenger – ferries, cruise ships, day passenger
vessels, charter fishing boats, whitewater rafts. Some not so obvious – lakers that carry
family of crew or guest of the owner, pilot boats, icebreakers on scientific missions, yachts
for hire, canoes, kayaks.
We are preparing a database of vessels to identify who is covered and who is not. We are
also looking at forms of insurance i.e. through the marine market, Commercial General
Liability, outfitters -personal accident insurance through major credit cards?
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

Numerous emails/letters have been sent to boat operators, but we need feedback from
individuals who will be affected. Information handout and questionnaire (“Appendix D”)

14. Environmental Update: Matthew Cook

The issue is reducing the risk of introduction of harmful aquatic organisms through the
discharge of ships ballast water. From Headquarters level we are working on the
development of regulations for the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence River hoping to have them
ready by the end of the year. The suitability of the continued use of the Laurentian Channel,
as an alternate ballast exchange zone, is being studied by consultant and we expect the report
this month on that issue. In the regulation being worked on we are including such items as
the proposal by Seaway Authorities to require compliance with the best management
practices as a mandatory clearance for transit of the Seaway system. IMO regulations,
Marine Environmental protection committee is in session in London and ballast water is one
of the issues.

IMO main focus is ballast water treatment and discharge and ballast water
exchange as safety concerns. The IMO regulations are expected to be finalized during next
The Great Lakes Sewage Pollution Prevention regulations – there had been some objections
to the amendment and some studies carried out. We advise that we are intending to bring
forward the amendment for review. The main points of the amendment concern periodic
testing of affluent from marine sanitation devices. Currently the requirement is for
continuous monitoring. In the past it has been shown this is not completely effective in
ensuring compliance with the requirements for discharge criteria of the sewage affluent so
periodic testing is going to be introduced in the amendment in lieu of continuous monitoring.

15. Environment Canada, Marine Services: Jamie Gadal

Mr. Gadal gave a presentation on the weather services program. Advised of a new initiative
being started to do consultations in partnership with Transport Canada and Coast Guard
regarding small vessels and new regulations coming into effect that will tie what
Environmental forecasts products are to what happens to the regulations governing when a
vessel can and cannot be operated. We carry out 24 hr./7 days a week coverage of the
weather and we amend forecasts whenever required.         The definition of a forecast is for
mid/lake and open water because we cannot, as yet, take into account adequately the near
shore effects on the winds and waves, which is a significant problem for a lot of operators but
the science has not yet progressed to where we can reliably forecast near shore conditions.
Mr. Gadal advised on methods of obtaining marine weather forecasts: (1) Worded forecast
for 24 Hrs. (2) MAFOR codes (3) Small Craft Warning Program seasonal issued twice a day
(4) Special Marine Bulletins mostly for observations Navtechs which are issued eight times a
day (5) Facsimile package that can be accessed by calling and having information faxed back
put together four times a day.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

Mr. Gadal passed on information from Normand Michaud, National component of
Environment Canada, Marine, MSC. They are presently involved in putting together a Small
Vessel Regulation Marine Weather study group. This is in response to Transport Canada
taking a closer look at those regulations for vessel operations that involve weather forecasts
and observations from MCS. There are two steps to producing these requirement, one being
consultation to determine what the Marine community expects from the Meteorological
Service and second step being harmonization of requirements from Transport Canada of what
the Meteorological Service can actually deliver. (See handout “Appendix E”)

Question: S. Robillard, CPVA – This project that is underway, is there a movement afoot to
put a restrictive weather notation on vessels our association represents, that if there is a
certain weather forecast that it would in essence cancel the cruise?
Answer: P. Nelson – There is no intention on Transport Canada’s part to dictate to a Ships
Master when he can or cannot sail based on weather conditions. There should not be any
weather restriction on a Master’s certificate. What we are talking about here is on the Ships
certificate. If the Inspector is going to put a restriction on a vessel certificate based on
weather conditions, then along with the Owner/Operator of the vessel they would come up
with appropriate weather restrictions if indeed the vessel needed to be restricted in the first
place. We are now working with Environment Canada to try and resolve and remove the
confusion of how the small craft warning applies.

Closing Plenary:

Julian Goodyear: This wraps up the plenary session. Mr. Goodyear thanked everyone
for their participation. Possible dates for the next Regional CMAC - last week of
September or first of October, 2002 in Burlington.

16. Ongoing Working Group Updates:

Small Fishing Vessel Working Group: Rick Huras
Recent meeting held in Ottawa regarding a reasonable policy for Inspectors who come across
vessels with untrained crew on small fishing vessels. Every crewmember on small fishing
vessels must have training in basic safety, cutoff date being July 30, 2002. Crew members
have been experiencing difficulty obtaining training and we have been working with
Georgian College who are now conducting a road show in Tobermory, Sarnia, Leamington
teaching basic training, a certified course. It is presently geared for fisherman at the moment
but no reason why it can’t be geared for others as well. Tim Purdy, Chairman and the main
Industry contact, Transport Canada contact is Roy Alemao in Sarnia.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

Electrical Working Group: Rick Huras

Last meeting of this group was Oct. 17th, Sarnia. Fifteen members in attendance, Industry
and T.C. Some items discussed:
1)Digital instruments should be used especially for single generator power plants and with
two generators where paralleling is not required.
2)It is drawn to the operators attention that when a request from a T.C. Inspector to fit an
extra emergency light fixture this should be concurred with the Region Technical Dept. who
would have approved the original drawing.
3)Small vessel shore power – Certain operators where deliberately modifying shore
connections on dock posts to suit their vessels. This is a very dangerous practice and T.C.
advised they would contact the Hydro Safety and report back to the members.

Coal Working Group: Rick Huras
Rick thanked Tom Anderson, Algoma Central for sending their coal carriage reports, from
some of their last trips, up to Ottawa - they were very helpful. They are being reviewed by
Ottawa and they hope to finalize an updated coal T.C. publication this season. We are still
using the original 1998 TP. Still receiving lots of calls, carrying out inspections and issuing
an inspection report for any U.S. flags that are discharging or carrying coal in Canadian
waters also.
Jack McBurney is the lead for Transport Canada for the coal TP.

Ballast Water Working Group: Rick Huras
Two main people involved are Chris Wiley and Leah Quiring. Ballast water regulations are
being looked at. It is still voluntary for Canadian vessels in Canadian waters. The Seaway
has a notice of proposed revisions to the practices and procedures regarding ballast water
exchange and what their requirements are for any vessels coming into the Seaway.
Phillip Nelson advised that T.C. Ballast Water Regulation will almost mirror the U.S.
Regulations, however, there may be an enhancement to the Canadian regulations in that ships
will be required to have a ballast water management plan in place.

Canadian Passenger Vessel Association Working Group: Rick Huras
We formed a working group in December/01. They received a request to help develop
Marine Emergency Duties A1 training for non-certificated persons on board the ship and they
wished to provide this course to their crewmembers. On the regulatory side we needed
approval from an institution or recognized body, so the CPVA and T.C. Ontario and Quebec
Regions worked together and developed a proposal and submitted for Ottawa approval. We
are awaiting final approval, but it does appear it will be accepted in total as Phillip Nelson
was advised by John Clarkson. Agreed that this is a very valuable working group and should
continue with further issues such as MED A2 for certified crewmembers, sea service
requirement for vessels 60 G.T. and under i.e. 2 months vs. 2 weeks. CPVA were advised to
continue working with Ontario Regional office group for further proposals to Ottawa.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

Question: Kevin Kelly, G.C., MED Instructor: When we teach a MED course, as a new
Instructor, we are fully monitored by T.C. to ensure we were providing the training
properly. Is T.C. doing this with the CPVA training as well?
Answer: Phillip Nelson advised that yes the Instructors will be monitored by Inspectors and
attending the Passenger Vessel Safety days held in various places to ensure the program is
carried out properly.

Detroit/St. Clair Rivers Operations Working Group: Rick Huras
Our last meeting was October 15th discussing Coast Guard and Transport Canada issues,
buoy removal in Lake St. Clair, establishing port security, vessel escorts, basically anything
to do with the river system.
Our next meeting is scheduled for April 18th we believe in the Nova Building in Sarnia

Comment/Discussion: A. Godfrey, representing small commercial fishing charter vessels,
voiced concern regarding establishment of a working group or a forum focused on this type
of vessel and their operations. Mr. Godfrey advised that the presentation he made at a
previous CMAC has gone nowhere, and he has had no response from National CMAC.
Response: Phillip Nelson – Advised it is possible for Mr. Godfrey to bring other member of
his organization to a meet with T.C. staff to discuss/iron out issues on a one to one basis.
This is the best way to work with Industry. Attempting to bring issues to a big forum, such as
CMAC, where there are many diverse interests, the issues are only discussed in a general
nature. CMAC is not a decision making body it is an information organization and a
consultative mechanism. Where we make decisions, are in the closer working groups we set
up with Industry. Mr. Nelson is willing to setup a working group for Mr. Godfrey’s group if
so desired.

17. Scheduling of Inspections: S. Robillard, CPVA

Regarding the scheduling of inspections during the spring rush. Could the idea be put
forward about the possibility of splitting workload whereby part of the vessel is inspected in
October and completion/certification in the spring?
Response: Phillip Nelson – certificates are generally valid for twelve months. It’s been
traditional in Ontario Region that vessels have been inspected in the spring and mainly
because the vessels are laid-up in the winter and equipment taken off, put in storage and
outfitted again in the spring. There would be a level of trust needed that if the Inspector gave
you a certificate in October, that you would put all the required equipment back on the vessel
in May. Spot checks could then be carried in the spring. Mr. Nelson suggested vessel
operator work with your local TCC and schedule inspections as best suited for your
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

18. Fee Structure: S. Robillard, CPVA

Mr. Robillard raised a question regarding vessel inspection fees charged. Could
consideration be given to waiving the inspection fee, how are fees determined and do you
foresee further fee increases?
Response: Phillip Nelson – no, the inspection fees cannot be waived.

19. Communication with Operators: S. Robillard, CPVA

Mr. Robillard inquired if T.C. Inspectors could ensure that documentation, new information
i.e. Ship Safety Bulletins, are passed on to vessel operators. Some of the CPVA members do
not have access to the Internet to keep up-to-date with changes.
Response: Phillip Nelson – Yes, T.C. is looking at better ways of distribution of information
to vessel operators, i.e. mailing lists etc. Mr. Nelson will also bring this up with his
Managers to ensure that relevant information is passed on to the operations in their areas.

20. Seafarer Certification: S. Robillard, CPVA

Mr. Robillard asked for clarification regarding CMW certificate and STCW95 certification.
Do I understand correctly that there is no certificate replacing the CMW and the requirements
to maintain a valid CMW certificate is to obtain a Continued Proficiency Cert. With the
requirements for this cert. being MED, a Medical and 12 months sea service within the five-
year period. Mr. Robillard feels that with a seasonal operation, it will be difficult to obtain
the sea service within the five-year period.
Response: Mr. Nelson advised that there was no requirement for CMW certificates be turned
in or exchanged for another certificate nor does a CMW certificate expire. Mr. Robillard was
advised to take his concerns regarding issuing of a CP to a TCC Examiner for evaluation.

Question: S. Robillard – If a (retired) person holding a Master Mariner Cert. working on a
seasonally operated cruise boat, does he need to have an STCW95 certificate or is he issued a
Limited Master Certificate to continue working on my vessel?
Response: Mr. Nelson – No, providing he meets the requirements for a Continued
Proficiency he will be given a CPC, that includes the 12 months sea service, appropriate level
MED training, appropriate SEN course and SIM exam. Some candidates with older
certificates can’t qualify because they may have taken the SEN course years ago, which
didn’t include ARPA, which is required for a Master Mariner Cert. The requirements for CP
are based the particular certificate the person holds, in this case the Master Mariner. The
candidate may have to take further courses to upgrade the SEN course. It is possible for the
candidate to obtain Limited Master Certificate if he is not willing to take further training
courses to validate the Master Mariner certificate.
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

21. Questions from Kathy Lawson, CPVA:

1. Response to our request that BA’s be permitted on all Minor Water voyages regardless of
ships size.
Answer: Rick Huras – The last National CMAC stated at that time, there are no current
amendments, but Ottawa is looking into this request as part of a larger regulatory re-write.
 2. Response to our request that liferaft service intervals be extended again to match the
internal cylinder testing cycle of four years for seasonally operated vessels.
Answer: Rick Huras – Liferaft cylinders are apparently not being looked at. They are still
the four/five year and that’s it for the hydrostatic. There is still a research and development
program underway for up to two years for inflatable liferafts, we don’t have the final report
on that as yet.

Minutes by: Sheila Warrington
Transport Canada, Marine Safety
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.


Appendix “A”         Agenda Item 4                Harbours & Ports
                                                  Presentation Handout

Appendix “B”         Agenda Item 5                CSA Reform
                                                  Presentation Handout

Appendix “C”         Agenda Item 11               Water Level Forecasting
                                                  Presentation Handout

Appendix “D”         Agenda Item 13               Liability for Passenger Vessels
                                                  Handout and Questionnaire

Appendix “E”         Agenda Item 15               Environment Canada, MCS
CMAC – March 6, 2002
St. Catharines, Ont.

To top