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                  INSPECTORS EXAMINING COMMITTEE MEETING

                             December 17, 2008
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COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT: Don Baker; Les Currie; Steve Guerrero; James Mansell;
Bruce Stokke

COMMITTEE MEMBERS ABSENT: Nathan Powell

PRESENT FROM THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRIES DIVISION: Richard Denny, Legal
Counsel; Dannette Yousey; Plumbing Secretary.

OTHERS PRESENT:

CALL TO ORDER:

Mr. Don Baker, Chairman called the regular meeting of the Inspectors Examining Committee to
order at 10:00 a.m. in Conference room Shepherd Mall 2401 NW 23rd Street, Suite 5, Oklahoma
City, OK 73107.

STATEMENT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE OPEN MEETING ACT:

This [Regular] meeting of the Inspectors Examining Committee Meeting, scheduled to begin at
[10:00 a.m.] on this [17th] day of [December], 2008, has been convened in accordance with the
Oklahoma Open Meeting Act, Title 25, Sections 301 through 314.

Further, an advance public notice that was sent to the Secretary of State electronically on
October 1, 2007 prior to this time today, specifying the time and place of the meeting here
convened, preceded this meeting.

Notice of this meeting was given at least forty-eight (48) hours prior hereto and no one has filed
a written request for notice of meetings of this public body to date.

Read aloud by Dannette Yousey, this [17th] day of [December], 2008.
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ACTION ITEMS:

OCTOBER 22, 2008 MEETING MINUTES

A MOTION WAS MADE BY BRUCE STOKKE WITH A SECOND BY LES CURRIE TO
APPROVE OCTOBER 22, 2008 MEETING MINUTES WITH CORRECTIONS.

                                                                          MOTION PASSED
Voting aye:   Don Baker
              Les Currie
              Steve Guerrero
              James Mansell
              Bruce Stokke

ELECTRICAL EXAMINING COMMITTEE’S RECOMMENDATION TO DISSOLVE THE
INSPECTORS EXAMINING COMMITTEE

This agenda item was tabled.

NUMBER OF CONTINUING EDUCATION UNITS CURRENTLY REQUIRED FOR
INSPECTORS UNDER STATE LAW AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CIB
REGARDING THE CHANGING OF UNITS REQUIRED.

Mr. Denny prepared a draft copy of proposed changes in the Inspectors Rules; number five (5) is
stricken also we have taken out the old language from July 1, 1995 and added seven (7) hours. If
you approve this we will get it presented to the CIB for the permanent rule making.

Mr. Baker stated that he would most prefer that we stay consistent with the trade committee’s.

Mr. Currie states that he thinks that it is good to step forward in showing our commitment to see
that we have qualified personnel in the field.

A MOTION WAS MADE BY BRUCE STOKKE WITH A SECOND BY LES CURRIE TO
SUBMIT THESE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE CIB FOR PERMANENT RULE
MAKING.
                                                  MOTION PASSED
Voting aye: Don Baker
            Les Currie
            Steve Guerrero
            James Mansell
            Bruce Stokke
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RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT A STANDARDIZED DEFINITION OF WHAT A CEU
CREDIT IS TO BE USED BY ALL TRADE COMMITTEE’S

Mr. Stokke presented the committee with information on CEU requirements from several other
states, and stated he would like for this information be presented to the CIB. Mr. Stokke stated if
we want to reciprocate with other states we should follow their same criteria for continuing
education courses.

Mr. Stokke state in all of the rules within CIB there are two trades that do not specify what a
credit hour is, one is Electrical and the other is the Inspectors does not have a definition of a
credit hour. In the home Inspector’s they have a definition that states it is equivalent for each to
50 minutes out of each 60 minute segment of being a credit hour. The definition in Plumbing
and Mechanical is “60 minutes shall constitute one instructional hour”.

That’s what our rules say right now. So we have rules that don’t align with one another right here
in our own industry (right here in our own state). So I did a little research and typed in National
Standard Credit Hour. The first thing that came up was the Carnegie Unit and the Student Hour
(also called a Credit Hour) are strictly time-based references for measuring educational
attainment used by American universities and colleges; the Carnegie Unit assesses secondary
school attainment, and the Student Hour, derived from the Carnegie Unit, Assesses collegiate
attainment.

The Carnegie Unite is 120 hours of class or contact time with an instructor over the course of a
year at the secondary (American high School) level. Strictly speaking, this breaks down into a
single one-hour meeting, on each of five days per week for a total of 24 weeks per year.
However, knowing that classes usually meet for 50 minutes yields a value of 30 weeks per year.

The Student Hour is approximately 12 hours of class or contact time, approximately 1/10 of the
Carnegie Unit (as explained below). As is used today, a Student Hour is the equivalent of one
hour (50 minutes) of lecture time for a single student per week over the course of a semester.

Credit Hours – This is a standard unit of measurement for university-level work applicable
toward a degree. One credit hour is equal to on 50-minute class period per week, per semester.
Thus the usual three-credit-hour session once a week for a semester, so they are using the 50
minutes. Jerry King, pulled the second page off of the web (The National Educational Standard)
he found a list of web sits and everyone one of the sits refers to 50 minutes.

Sense the electrical is at doing some receptor licensing in some of the states. I look at some of
the state that we are reciprocating with or that we have reciprocated with. And with South
Dakota, Nebraska and Alaska, the requirements for counting credits are one credit hour of
continuing education is allowed for each 50 minutes attended at a continuing education course
that’s in South Dakota.

Then in Nebraska under article 81-2117.01 a contract hour shall mean fifty minutes of classroom
attendance at an approved course under a qualified instructor approved by the board. And in
Alaska, item #12 AAC 21.665. Contact Hours, one contact hour for each consecutive 50-minutes
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block of classroom instructions. So there are all kinds of documentation to us to believe that 50
minutes is a credit hour.

I would propose sending this information to the CIB for them to have a definition of a credit hour
in the permit rules for all the trades of 50 minutes equals one credit hour.

*this doesn’t make sense to me; you might need more details of the conversation or take it out.
But you need something on the discussion of one of them attending the trade committee
meetings.*
Mr. Denny ask if there would it make a difference if you went forward with defining under the
Inspector rules the credit hours of 50 minutes. Is there any reason why you would want to go
forward on your own with your definition? Then you can still make the recommendation and see
what happens.

Mr. Baker stated that we have always in the past made the decision on CEU’s in the rules and
regulations. In our rule and regulation the wording means a CEU that is either one (1) clock hour
of Committee approved instruction or its equivalent as determined by the Committee. Much of
the past 19 years this committee we have followed the standard of 50 minutes instruction and 10
minutes break. It have become a conflict with the other trade committees now sense frequently
continuing education offerings are offered for both inspector and trades people all in the same
class. If a journeyman or contractor in the class can’t get credit for 50 minutes where as
inspectors can then it either elemenates the breaks totally or extends the length of the class to
proved for breaks.

Mr. Stokke stated that you have every 50 minutes you have half the class walking out because
they have a 10 minute break coming. That is one of the reason we changed our hour to solve that
problem. We make that definition when we approve the class that class is approved for 50
minutes as a credit hour the other trades are not. So we need a definition at the highest level that
says all of the trades will follow this definition.

Mr. Baker states that rather then us going to each of the trades and requesting them to adjust
there definition we thought it would be easier to ask the CIB as the umbrella to set the standard.

Mr. Denny ask Mr. Stokke you think you should amend your motion to desicnate someone to
carry the ball on that? It has to reassigned to the trade committees just as a matter of practice.
You told me some very good point of why you want that. So, you think you can desicnate
someone to be available to talk to the trade committees when they meet to explain those things.
I can’t talk about it on you behalf because it is a policy issue.

Mr. Baker recommended for the chairperson and/or his designee to attend trade committee
meetings.
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A MOTION WAS MADE BY BRUCE STOKKE WITH A SECOND BY LES CURRIE ON
THE AMENDMENT THAT THE CHAIRPERSON OR HIS DESIGNEE TO ATTEND
TRADE COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
                                                 MOTION PASSED
Voting aye: Don Baker
             Les Currie
             Steve Guerrero
             James Mansell
             Bruce Stokke

REQUEST FOR GRANTING CEU

A MOTION WAS MADE BY BRUCE STOKKE WITH A SECOND BY JAMES MANSELL
TO DENY EASTERN OKLAHOMA COUNTY TECHNOLOGY CENTER, IPC CODE
UPDATE CLASS; JANUARY 17, 2009, AND FEBRUARY 14, 2009, 5-CREDIT HOURS
REQUESTED FOR EACH.
                                                        MOTION PASSED
Voting aye: Don Baker
            Les Currie
            Steve Guerrero
            James Mansell
            Bruce Stokke

A MOTION WAS MADE BY BRUCE STOKKE WITH A SECOND BY JAMES MANSELL
TO APPROVE BOISE CASCADE, PROPER INSTALLATION OF BOISE ENGINEERED
WOOD PRODUCTS; JANUARY 20, 2009, 5-CREDIT HOURS REQUESTED FOR EACH.

                                                       MOTION PASSED
Voting aye:   Don Baker
              Les Currie
              Steve Guerrero
              James Mansell
              Bruce Stokke

A MOTION WAS MADE BY BRUCE STOKKE WITH A SECOND BY LES CURRIE TO
APPROVE SOONER STATE SEMINARS, LLC, 2008 NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE,
JANUARY 31, 2009, AND FEBRUARY 21, 2009, FOR 5-CREDIT HOURS.
                                                          MOTION PASSED
Voting aye: Don Baker
            Les Currie
            Steve Guerrero
            James Mansell
            Bruce Stokke

PUBLIC COMMENT
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There were no public comments.

NEW BUSINESS

In accordance with 25 O.S. Section 311 (9), new business will now be heard, if any.

ADJOURNMENT

A MOTION WAS MADE BY BRUCE STOKKE WITH A SECOND BY LES CURRIE TO
ADJOURN.
                                                  MOTION PASSED
Voting aye: Don Baker
            Les Currie
            Steve Guerrero
            James Mansell
            Bruce Stokke



Minutes approved in regular Session on the January 28, 2009


                                     __________________________________________
                                     Don Baker, Chairman

PREPARED BY:



Pam Parks, Secretary to the Inspectors Examining Committee

				
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