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					Concerns with Licensure
 Eligibility Changes in
  NCEES Model Law

             Dee S. Fultz, P.E.
         Past Chair, Alaska Section
          Past Region 6 Secretary
  2007-2008 Region 6 Northwest Area Chair

  IEEE Educational Activities Board Meeting
             February 17, 2007
  Overview
         I.       Findings of ELQTF 2003 Report

         II. NCEES 2006 Model Law Revision

         III. Concerns with „BS+30‟

         IV. Recommendations

‘BS+30’: Bachelor’s degree plus 30 additional credit-hours
ELQTF: Engineering Licensure Qualifications Task Force

NCEES: National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  I. 2003 ELQTF Report

     Concerns with Current Licensure System
       o Examination
            Timing, relevance of PE Examination
            Advanced Degree Exemption
            „Practice‟ Examination

       o Engineering Education
           Blurring of Science and Engineering
              Specialization/Splintering
              Reduction of Core Subjects
              Foreign Degrees
              Licensed Educators


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  I. 2003 ELQTF Report

     Concerns with Current Licensure System
       o Other Related Concerns
            Stature of Profession
            Engineers Not Seeking Licensure
            Mobility and Jurisdictional Concerns




IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  I. 2003 ELQTF Report

     Recommendations for Model Law
       o Engineering Education
            Provide Bachelor‟s plus additional courses in
              “specialties related to practice”

            Engineers must acquire additional
             fundamental knowledge

            Noted that students take 18 fewer
             engineering credits than in 1920s, but
              specific subject areas were not identified




IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  I. 2003 ELQTF Report

     Recommendations for Model Law
       o Stature of the Profession
           Extended Education
               • Task Force generally agreed Engineering
                 has not kept pace with other professions;

               • „B+M/30‟ proposal advanced by ASCE not
                 universally accepted by other disciplines,
                 thus reluctance to move immediately to
                  that requirement

               • Recommended pre-engineering BS
                 programs, and “professional schools of
                 engineering” as long term solution


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  Overview
         I.       Findings of ELQTF 2003 Report

         II. NCEES 2006 Model Law Revision




‘BS+30’: Bachelor’s degree plus 30 additional credit-hours
ELQTF: Engineering Licensure Qualifications Task Force

NCEES: National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  II. NCEES Model Law 2006

  Amendment to NCEES Model Law (9-15-06):

         “An engineer intern with a bachelor's degree
          must have an additional 30 credits of
          acceptable upper-level undergraduate or
          graduate-level coursework from approved
          providers in order to be admitted to the
          Principles and Practice of Engineering (PE)
          examination. “
                     - NCEES News Release, 9-25-2006




IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  Overview
         I.       Findings of ELQTF 2003 Report

         II. NCEES 2006 Model Law Revision

         III. Concerns with „BS+30‟




‘BS+30’: Bachelor’s degree plus 30 additional credit-hours
ELQTF: Engineering Licensure Qualifications Task Force

NCEES: National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  III. Concerns with BS+30
  I.      Need for additional credits has not been
          adequately demonstrated

  II.     Additional credit study has not been well
          defined

  III.    Implementation, course availability, and
          consequences have not been well
          thought out




IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  III. Concerns with BS+30
  I.       Need for additional credits not
           adequately demonstrated

       o       NCEES has not identified specific areas of
               engineering study that are lacking

       o       View that there are technical content
               shortcomings in accredited programs isn‟t
               supported by NCEES PE Exam statistics
                Since Depth & Breadth Format change (2002), EE
                 pass rate has increased from 30% to 60%

       o       Majority of license investigations/punitive
               actions involve ethical violations; justification
               for BS+30 does not address this critical issue

IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  III. Concerns with BS+30
  II.       Additional 30 credit study not well
            defined

        o     Without identified specific „voids‟ in
              undergraduate study areas, how can required
              „corrective‟ study be formulated?

        o     ABET accredited Bachelor programs should
              provide all necessary curricula - before
              engineering interns enter workplace

        o     How will advanced/graduate studies be
              defined and „standardized‟ across all State
              jurisdictions to meet the NCEES objective?


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  III. Concerns with BS+30
  III. Implementation, availability, and
       consequences not well thought out
       o       Uniformity across state jurisdictions will be
               difficult

       o       Majority of post-graduate programs are not
               focused towards practicing professional
               engineers

       o       Colleges have little motivation to provide
               standardized „Plus 30‟ programs
                Only 10% of graduating electrical engineers seek license
                Unavailability will act as a barrier to licensure

       o       Concerns with State Jurisdictional acceptance
                27 of 66 NCEES Members (41%) voted against „BS+30‟
                „BS+30‟ may compound existing comity problems


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  Overview
         I.       Findings of ELQTF 2003 Report

         II. NCEES 2006 Model Law Revision

         III. Concerns with „BS+30‟

         IV. Recommendations

‘BS+30’: Bachelor’s degree plus 30 additional credit-hours
ELQTF: Engineering Licensure Qualifications Task Force

NCEES: National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying


IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007
  IV. Recommendations

     IEEE Region 6 Operations Committee
      resolution, Feb. 10, 2007:

          “Request that the IEEE Educational Activities
          Board refrain from any action on „BS+30‟ until
          U.S. members have been thoroughly informed
          and have been able to provide comment”

     IEEE-USA Liaison to NCEES should assist
      in identifying specific shortcomings in core
      subjects of accredited undergraduate
      programs, to assist ABET in addressing
      concerns identified in ELQTF 2003 Report

IEEE Alaska Section Presentation to IEEE EAB, 2-17-2007

				
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