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                                                                     JERUSALEM — Israel's foreign minister said Wednesday there was no reason to assume the Mossad
                                                             assassinated a Hamas military commander in Dubai, even as suspicions mounted that the country's vaunted spy agency
                                                             made the hit using the identities of Israelis with European passports.

                                                             While few people are privy to the cloak-and-dagger operations of the Mossad, senior Israeli security officials not directly
                                                             involved with the affair said they were convinced it was a Mossad operation because of the motive and the use of Israeli
                                                             identities. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of a government order not to discuss the case,
        characterized it as a significant Mossad bungle.

        The suspicions ratcheted up pressure on Israel to be more forthcoming over the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a man it claims supplied Gaza's Hamas rulers with the most
        dangerous weapons it possesses. Israeli critics pointed the finger at Mossad, accusing it of sloppiness and endangering Israeli citizens.

        Dubai police this week released names, photos, and passport numbers of 11 members of an alleged hit-squad that killed al-Mabhouh in his luxury Dubai hotel room last
        month. Dubai said all 11 carried European passports. But most of the identities appear to be stolen and at least seven matched up with real people in Israel who claim they
        are victims of identity theft.

        "I don't know why we are assuming that Israel, or the Mossad, used those passports," Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman told Army Radio in Israel's first official comments
        on the affair.

        But Lieberman did not deny involvement outright, saying Israel rightly maintains a policy of ambiguity where security operations are concerned.

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        "Israel never responds, never confirms and never denies," he said. "There is no reason for Israel to change this policy."

        Amir Oren, a military analyst for the Israeli daily Haaretz, called for the ouster of Mossad director Meir Dagan.

        "What is needed now is a swift decision to terminate Dagan's contract and to appoint a new Mossad chief," wrote Oren in a front-page commentary. "There's no disease
        without a cure."

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         The Iranian-backed Hamas has been blaming Israel for al-Mabhouh's killing from the beginning.

        "The investigation of the police of Dubai proves what Hamas had said from the first minute, that Israel's Mossad is responsible for the assassination," Mushir al-Masri, a
        Hamas legislator in Gaza, said Wednesday.

        Al-Mabhouh was one of the founders of the Hamas militant group, which has carried out hundreds of attacks and suicide bombings targeting Israelis, and now rules the
        Gaza Strip. He also was involved in the 1989 capturing and killing of two Israeli soldiers.

        Israel considered him to be the point man in smuggling Iranian rockets into Gaza that would be capable of striking the Jewish state's Tel Aviv heartland.

        Al-Mabhouh was targeted in three previous assassination attempts, his brother Hussein told The Associated Press.

        At least seven people who live in Israel share names with suspects identified by Dubai police. One, a British-Israeli citizen named Melvyn Adam Mildiner, said the passport
        photo on the Dubai wanted flier was not him but the passport number was correct. He also denied having been to Dubai.

        Another of the seven, Stephen Hodes, denied any link to the case in an interview with Israel Radio and said he, too, had never visited Dubai.

        "I'm shocked. I don't know how they got to me. Those aren't my photographs, of course," Hodes said. "I don't know how they got to my details, who took them. .... I'm simply
        afraid. These are powerful forces."

        British Prime Minister Gordon Brown on Wednesday promised an inquiry into the use of fake British passports in the killing.

        "We are looking at this at this very moment," Brown told London's LBC radio. "We have got to carry out a full investigation into this. The British passport is an important
        document that has got to be held with care." He did not assess blame for the forgeries.

        Several senior British lawmakers said Israel's envoy should be summoned to the Foreign Office to explain what his country's role in the slaying was.

        The former leader of the Liberal Democrats, the smallest of Britain's three main parties, said that "if the Israeli government was party to behavior of this kind it would be a
        serious violation of trust between nations."

        Menzies Campbell, who serves on the House of Common's Foreign Affairs Committee, said "the Israeli government has some explaining to do" and called for the
        ambassador to be summoned "in double-quick time."

        The committee's chairman, Mike Gapes, a member of Britain's ruling Labour party, added that the assassination was either the work of Israelis "or someone trying to make
        sure it looks like the Israelis."

        Like Lieberman, Israeli security analyst Ephraim Kam said the use of Israeli identities did not prove the Mossad killed al-Mabhouh.

        "I cannot see a reason why the Mossad would use the names of Israelis here or citizens who live here," Kam said.

        Rafi Eitan, a former Cabinet minister and Mossad agent who took part in the capture of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann, thought Israel's foes were trying to frame it by
        using the identities of Israelis.

        "It means some foreign service, an enemy of Israel, wanted to taint Israel. It took the names of Israeli citizens, doctored the passports ... and thus tainted us," Eitan said.

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        Lawmaker Yisrael Hasson, a former deputy commander of Israel's Shin Bet internal security service, said he would ask to convene a meeting of the Israeli parliament's
        powerful foreign affairs and defense committee to discuss the matter.

        "No one should use someone's identity without his permission or without his understanding in some way what it is being used for," Hasson told Israel Radio.

        The Mossad has been accused of identity theft before. New Zealand convicted and jailed two Israelis in 2005 of trying to fraudulently obtain New Zealand passports. New
        Zealand demanded – and won – an apology from Israel, which Auckland said proved the pair were spies.

        But this would be the first time that the Mossad has been suspected of using the identities of its own citizens.

        If the Israeli government was behind the identity theft, it broke Israeli laws against impersonation and fraud, said Nirit Moskovich of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

        Kam, the security analyst, said the people whose identities were released could be in danger from Hamas.

        "I think they should be careful," he said.

        The affair could have unwanted diplomatic repercussions for Israel if it indeed used the foreign passports of its own nationals. Several British lawmakers on Wednesday
        called for the Israeli ambassador to be summoned to the Foreign Office immediately to explain what happened.

        The affair could also have fallout for the Mossad as an agency, and for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Dagan personally.

        Netanyahu's first tenure in the late 1990s was marred by the Mossad's botched attempt at assassinating the man who now is Hamas' supreme leader, Khaled Mashaal.

        But while Haaretz commentator Oren was calling for Dagan's head, analyst Ronen Bergman of the Yediot Ahronot newspaper deemed the operation a success.

        "Al-Mabhouh is dead and all the partners to the operation left Dubai safely," he said.

        ____

        Associated Press reporter Rizek Abdel Jawad contributed to this report from the Gaza Strip.

        (This version CORRECTS ADDS British comments; corrects spelling to al-Mabhouh thruout; SUBS graf 33 to correct spelling of Mashaal sted Meshaal; minor EDITS)

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        - skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 242 fans permalink




          They used Canadian passports in the botched attempted assassination of Mashaal; they tried to use the Indentity of New Zealanders, obviously, this time they wanted to
          play it safe and use the identity of their own people. Gooood!

          Now please issue those arrest warrants.


          Reply      Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 2/17/2010
        - AmazingChicken I'm a Fan of AmazingChicken 6 fans permalink




          It is shameful whenever an entity "can neither confirm nor deny." Forget for a moment any argument about the action taken. Consider that a government is concealing a
          truth it knows the answer to.

          Neither transparent nor honest. Politically expedient perhaps, but concealing a thing is never truly right.


          Reply      Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 2/17/2010
        - sillyprogressafarian I'm a Fan of sillyprogressafarian 5 fans permalink




          Excellent job by Israel. At least no innocents were harmed unlike Ha88mas who would have taken out the entire hotel and grammar school thrown in just for fun.


          Reply      Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 2/17/2010
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                    This kind of rogue, murderous imperialism is why I truly hope Iran successfully builds nukes.


                    Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 2/17/2010
        - Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 77 fans permalink

          But Lieberman did not deny involvement outright, saying Israel rightly maintains a policy of ambiguity where security operations are concerned.

          dah . . . apparently the assassination has all the hallmarks of a mossad hit . . . what a bunch


          Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 2/17/2010
        - califlefty I'm a Fan of califlefty 11 fans permalink

          Behind the scenes...champagne all around!


          Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 2/17/2010
        - MMLJ I'm a Fan of MMLJ 9 fans permalink

          LOL X 1000


          Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 2/17/2010
        - doriath22 I'm a Fan of doriath22 10 fans permalink

          And that, chilluns, is the very definition of "chutzpah"!


          Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 2/17/2010
                  - phute I'm a Fan of phute 29 fans permalink

                    Oh Mr Lieberman - you protest too much.
                    Enough with the modesty - it was Mossad.- Messy - but Mossad nonetheless.


                    Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 2/17/2010
                            - Wisdo I'm a Fan of Wisdo 56 fans permalink

                              Lieberman puts his foot in it so often and so deeply Im beginning to think he works for Hizbollah or something.


                              Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 2/17/2010
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          "No reason to think" and "No evidence that" is a classic non-denial denial. This is equivocation on par with the ever-popular "To the best of my recollection" and "I don't
          recall".


          Reply        Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 2/17/2010
                     - dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 55 fans permalink




                      Anyone that says there is "no evidence" is basically saying "prove it" which is the same as "we did it but you can't prove it". Anyone that thinks that Israel is not
                      involved is either living in another planet or , in their eyes, Israel can never do anything wrong (other than bombing civilian areas from the sky that is) ...


                      Reply      Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 2/17/2010
                             - EnPointe I'm a Fan of EnPointe 33 fans permalink




                               co-sign.


                                Reply      Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 2/17/2010
                             - StCuthbert I'm a Fan of StCuthbert 45 fans permalink




                               Well, it's a good thing you aren't on the jury, apparently Israel's already been arrested, tried and found guilty!


                                Reply      Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 2/17/2010
                     - gast1kc I'm a Fan of gast1kc permalink

                      Israel people are the best lyers of the world,they still say they have no nuclear weapons with a serious face, without a smile


                      Reply      Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 2/17/2010
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        - Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 181 fans permalink

          It would be pretty stupid for Israeli agents to be using stolen Israeli identities wouldn't it?

          However I don't see who else would have the motive in this affair.

          Didn't the Russians do almost exactly the same thing in, if not Dubai, one of the Gulf States? Wacked a Chechen if I remember right?

          And they got caught as well, although I don't remember how that all came out.

          Assassination is not as useful a tool as it used to be.


          Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 2/17/2010
                  - dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 55 fans permalink




                    I may be wrong but my understanding is that the passports were fake british passports .. I don't see who else could have done it. Israel goes unpunished for a
                    lots of crimes so what else is new.


                    Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 2/17/2010
                            - Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 181 fans permalink

                              Steal Israeli identities for British passports.

                              I like nearly everyone else on this planet thought the Mossad was far better than that.

                              Sounds like the Bush/Cheney Administration.


                               Reply      Favorite        Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 2/17/2010
                                      - who38 I'm a Fan of who38 79 fans permalink

                                        Guess Mossad started to believe too much in the myth of their invulnerability; made them sloppy. Or, maybe, they think it doesn't matter as
                                        the US will come to support them unconditionally.


                                         Reply       Favorite       Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 2/17/2010
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                      Two groups with motivation:

                      Hamas
                      Fatah/ the PA


                      Reply      Favorite      Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 2/17/2010
        - Gover I'm a Fan of Gover 141 fans permalink

          Oh whatever. Israel did that s***.


          Reply         Favorite      Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 2/17/2010
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          I note that the mossad got caught in the nineties inducing a jewish canadian visitor to Israel to hand over his passport while reporting it lost or stolen to the Canadian
          government. After a diplomatic protest, Israel apologised and promised to never do such a thing again. Despite the promise, a team of Israeli assasins were arrested in
          Jordan two years later after travelling on falsified Canadian passports.

          I do note that no Canadian documents were among the latest, so perhaps they belatedly decided to keep their promise. Or maybe Canada's redesign made them more
          difficult to alter.


          Reply         Favorite      Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 2/17/2010
                   - totaldisbelief I'm a Fan of totaldisbelief 50 fans permalink

                      and New Zealand climbed all over them for passport theft.


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