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									                                                    Petitions-20   October, 1982         1841

                               Wednesday, 20 October, 1982

         Mr Speaker (The Hon. Lawrence Borthwick Kelly) took the chair at 2.15 p.m.
         Mr Speaker offered the Prayer.

         The Clerk announced that the following petitions had been lodged for presenta-
tion :
                               Woolloomooloo Bus Services
           The Petiton of concerned Woolloomooloo residents respectfully
               That the current public transport bus facilities for residents in
         Woollmmooloo are inadequate.
           Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that your honourable House
     recommend an extension of the existing bus routes into Woolloomooloo.
           And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray.
         Petition, lodged by Mr Miller, received.

                                    Children's Services
             The humble Petition of the undersigned citizens of New South Wales
     respectfully sheweth:
                  That citizens of New South Wales view with great alarm the
          present administration of children's services, and call for an urgent
          review to determine the most appropriate structure to administer child-
          ren's services in New South Wales.
             Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the Legislative Assembly,
     in Parliament assembled, should take every step necessary to obtain such a
     review of the administration of children's services.
            And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray.
         Petitions, lodged by Mr Fisher and Mr O'Connell, received.

                            Hawkesbury River Fish Resources
            The Petition of certain concerned citizens of New South Wales,
    respectfully sheweth:
                 That recreational and commercial fishing are very important to
         the New South Wales economy. The existing knowledge of fish and
         fishing in relation to their habitats and resources is insufficient to ensure
         proper management of these.
       Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the Government com-
mence immediately a detailed study of fish and their habitats in the Hawkes-
bury River system and the ocean waters confronting this with the object
of protecting the ecology of a region so precious to the metropolis of greater
       And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray.

  Petition, lodged by Mr Smith, received.

                           Four-Term School Year
       This Petition of certain citizens of New South Wales concerned with
the education of State schoolchildren respectfully sheweth:
            That in the professional opinion of the overwhelming majority of
     schoolteachers in this State, and in the view of many pupils and their
     parents, the introduction of a 4-term school year would be of greater
     educational benefit to the pupils than the current 3-term year.
       Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that your honourable House:
            Introduce the 4-term school year from the beginning of 1984.
       And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray.

  Petitions, lodged by Mr Fischer and Mr Schipp, received.

                              Homosexual Laws
        The humble Petition of the undersigned citizens of Australia, New
South Wales, respectfully sheweth:
            That we support your valiant efforts, particularly over the last
    twelve months, to strengthen and support our family and community
    life. We therefore call upon you to firmly reject the 1982 report and
    recommendations of the Anti-Discrimination Board on homosexuality,
    for the following reasons:
    (1) The board's irrational proposal that copies of Young, Gay and
          Proud, an obscene children's school textbook, should be included
          in all school libraries (page 643) is a threat to morals of children.
          This publication has already been prohibited in New South Wales
          schools by the New South Wales Director-General d Education
          and is a restricted publication under the Indecent Articles and
          Classified Publications Act, 1975, which means that the book may
          not be sold, displayed or exhibited in areas accessible to persons
          under the age of eighteen years.
    (2) The board's recommendation that the word spouse be legally
          redefined to recognize homosexual male partners, which would be a
          direct attack on the institutions of marriage and the family (refer-
          ence 8.18).
    ( 3 ) The board's endorsement, without modification, of Mr G. Petersen's
          private member's bill of November 1981, which would have legalized
          buggery, sodomy, and homosexual male prostitution, et cetera, in
          spite of that bill having been already overwhelmingly rejected after
          prolonged debate by the New South Wales Parliament (reference
                       Petitions-Questions without Notice-20     October, 1982          1843

          (4) These irresponsible recommendations, and many others relating to
               education, police and health, et cetera, clearly discredit the board's
               report, and strongly indicate the board's lack of objectivity and
            Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that your honourable House
     will continue to support family life and high moral values, and to protect
     children in New South Wales, by firmly rejecting the board's report and
     recommendations on homosexuality and to ensure that this report is not
     implemented surreptitiously without the approval or authority of Parliament.
            And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray.
      Petitions, lodged by Mr Beckroge, Mr O'Connell, Mr Park, Mr Pickard, Mr
Punch, Mr Schipp and Mr West, received.

                                Sydney Harbour Bridge
              The Petition of citizens of New South Wales respectfully sheweth:
                   That there is a great deal of opposition to the proposal for an
           extra traffic lane on the Sydney Harbour Bridge, and that it would be a
           waste of public funds badly needed for more pressing uses.
              Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray that the proposal for the extra
     traffic lane on the Sydney Harbour Bridge be abandoned.
       Petition, lodged by Mr Mack, received.

                        QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE
                            EX OFFICZO INDICTMENTS
       Mr DOWD: My question, which is without notice, is addressed to the Attorney-
General, Minister of Justice and Minister for Aboriginal Affairs. During the course
of the committal for conspiracy concerning the Bartons and Bounty Oil, did the
Minister interrupt those proceedings before all witnesses had been called, in order to
issue an, ex oficio indictment against the Bartons and Mr Laurence Gruzman of
Queen's Counsel? Will the Minister tell this House his reasons for taking the unusual
course of interrupting the committal proceedings? Was it a result of representations
made to him by the Premier? Is there any truth in the allegation made in court by
Mr Laurence Gruzman that arrangements had been made between the Minister and
the Premier to institute ex oficio indictment proceedings?
         Mr WALKER: The answer ta the first part of the question is, yes. The answer
t o the last part of the question is, no. I took those proceedings on the basis of advice
given to me by senior Crown counsel involved in the case.
       Mr Dowd: Called Neville Wran?
       Mr SPEAKER: Order!
       Mr WALKElR: Though he was a briefless barrister, the Leader of the Opposition
well knows, or he will learn by reading the papers today, that Mr Gnuman of
Queen's Counsel has withdrawn unreservedly his false and foul allegation. It ill
behoves the Leader of the Opposition, in the face of that unreserved withdrawal by
Mr Grwman, to persist with such a vile and maliciaus accusation.
I844     ASSEMBLY-Questions        without Notice

                       WOLLONGONG UNEMPLOYMENT
        Mr RAMSAY: My question without notice is addressed to the Minister for
Industrial Development and Minister for Decentralisation. Has the Minister's depart-
ment provided assistance in the form of business or alternative employment oppor-
tunities for persons who have been laid off or face the prospect of being laid off by
Australian Iron and Steel Limited or collieries in the Wollongong district?

        Mr DAY: I compliment the honourable member for Wollongong on his un-
firing efforts to resolve the longstanding unemployment problems in the major industry
of the Illawarra region. I advise him that some little time ago a regional employment
working party was established within my department. That party has concentrated
its efforts on the recognition and promotion of immediate business opportunities which
would be particularly suitable for established medium-sized small businesses. The
working party has also sought to assist, by means of management skills and advice,
in ensuring the continued existence of such small businesses. It should be remembered
that 93 per cent of Australian businesses have fewer than ten employees. In New South
Wales there are more than 180 000 of them. In the past five weeks the members
s the working party have conducted a programme of visits and research into and
concerning the Illawarra region. That area has become a pilot for similar programmes
that may be applied in other regions when resources allow. However, Illawarra is
suffering more than any other region from the downturn in the steel industry.

        One of the main findings of the working party has been that many local small
businesses lacked both the management and financial flexibility to adapt to the down-
turn in the region's major industries. The parochial nature of the small business
management in the Illawarra region is a fundamental problem. As wdl, there is
increasing obsolescence of methods and machinery used by the metalwork fabricators
who, in the past, have relied heavily on the steelworks for their orders. My depart-
ment has already established a comprehensive programme to assist the small business
community in the region. This includes a one-day seminar for retailers, covering
hancial management and merchandizing, which will be held at the University of
Wollongong on Sunday, 14th November. This seminar is being conducted in con-
junction with a sponsorship from the Wdlongong Chamber of C o m e r c e .

        The particular problems of metal fabricators have had extra, special assistance.
Already a subsidized consultancy is under way in one business and a number of other
prospects are being looked at, including assisting smaller firms to seek business outside
the region, assistance in preparing tenders to make their position better when quoting
for government jobs, broadening the scope of local industries' marketing so that they
can apply also for work outside the region, and steps towards attaining a greater degree
of co-operation for subcontracting or contracting work within the region, When this
work has been further developed, it is likely that a workshop or seminar will be
developed to provide information specifically for the appropriate firms. Previous
studies have shown that many of those who opt for early retirement from their employ-
ment can be expected to seek self-employment. My department's small business agency
already has a programme called the "new venture workshop", specially designed for
such people. This programme outlines pitfalls and problems likely to face new-
comers, as well as detailing the advantages of self-employment and indicating the action
that should be taken to increase the chance of success.

        The first of these workshops is to be held in Wollongong tonight at the city
council's information centre. I hope it will be rapidly followed by many more.
So far it has confirmed enrolments for twenty-eight people. Apart from these
specific initiatives, there has been a vast increase in the number of visits by small
                                 Questions without Notice---20 October, 1982      1845

business agency personnel to the Illawarra region. Originally the programme envisaged
visits once a month. The demand for the services has been so great that Wollongong
now has a counsellor from the agency visiting for a full day each week. I said that
the department views that Illawarra region programme as a pilot programme for oithep
areas. Steps are already under way to adapt the programme to the Hunter region, bu$
further departmental work will be done to expand the programme towards long-term
strategies for assisting employment opportunities. I have no doubt that the honourable
member is aware that the Premier announced proposed alterations to the Illawarra
industry development board on his recent visit to Wollongong. It is hoped that the
altered structure of that board can be announced soon.

                        WAMBO MINING CORPORATION
        Mr PUNCH: I direct my question without notice to the Treasurer. Is he aware
that the Government Insurance Office has acquired 50 per cent equity in Wambo
Mining Corporation Pty Limited for a reported sum of $3 million? Is he further aware
that the Government Insurance Office holds a 10 per cent shareholding in another coal
company, White Industries Limited, and has tendered for the Jerrys Plains lease areas
adjacent to the Wambo mines? Will the Treasurer assure the House and the people
of this State that the insurance premiums levied by the Government Insurance Office
will not have to rise to pay for these ventures into mining, which would be better,
more efficiently and more cheaply handled by private enterprise?

         Mr BOOTH: I am aware of the Warnbo situation. When the reoommendation
was made to me, to satisfy myself of the economic soundness of the proposal
that was being put I asked for further clarification from the Government Insurance
Office. I also asked Treasury officials to support further the recommendation being
made by the Government Insurance Office. In the light of the evidence that was
placed before me by the Government Insurance Office and the Treasury officials, I was
satisfied that the proposal was economically sound and that it would not lead to an
increase in the Government Insurance Office premiums. From time to time the
Government Insurance Office enters into business investments. Its judgment up to this
stage has been satisfactory. I approved of the recommendation of the Government
Insurance Office and the Treasury officials.

                        NEWCASTLE UNEMPLOYMENT
        Mr WADE: My question without notice is directed to the Minister for Industrial
Relations and Minister for Decentralisation. In view of what the Minister has said
about his department's progress in assisting people in the Wollongong area, will he
advise the House as to any plans his department has-and the progress it has made-
to give similar assistance to people in the Newcastle area?

        Mr DAY: I am grateful to the honourable member for Newcastle for his
direct and topical question, as I understand that today the Broken Hill Proprietary
Company Limited stated that it will start laying off workers from its Newcastle works.
I said previously that the department's regional employment working party has had
certain objectives and has used the Illawarra region as a pilot study for a short-term
programme that has been put into action. That working party has stated that this
pilot approach will be implemented in other regions as quickly as resources allow.
Obviously the Hunter region is a pre-eminent place for an extension of the scheme.
In addition, the new venture workshop, which is being held tonight in Wollongong,
1846     ASSEMBLY-Questions       without Notice

will be mirrored in Newcastle on Wednesday, 27th October. For some time the Small
Business Agency has made regular visits to Newcastle and other centres in the Hunter
region, and it will continue to do so. The original arrangement in Newcastle was on
the basis of a visiting counsellor going to that city two days a month. In preparation
for an increased demand, one of the counsellors now visits Newcastle for two days
every week.
       One last matter I should mention is the proposed restructuring of the Hunter
Development Board, which has been a somewhat complicated proposal. However, I
am pleased to say that I intend to proceed by restructuring the board as a company
limited by guarantee. This incorporation will be undertaken as quickly as possible.
Although several lesser matters of detail have to be resolved, I do not see them
as impediments. Once the incorporation has been acheived, the board can better
attack the problems of the region, in co-operation with my department and other arms
of government.

                          LAURENCE GRUZMAN, Q.C.
       Mr T. J. MOORE: My question without notice is directed to the Attorney-
General, Minister of Justice and Minister for Aboriginal Affairs. Did Mr Kevin
Anderson, S.M., yesterday award $100,000 costs to Mr Laurence Gruzman in respect
of the proceedings commenced by ex olgicio indictment, issued by the Attorney-
General against Mr Gntzman? Did the Crown consent to the award after negotia-
tions with Mr Gruzman? Was it a condition of the payment of that sum that Mr
Gruzman withdraw allegations concerning the conspiracy between the Premier and
the Attorney-General in respect of the issue of the ex oficio indictment?
        Mr WALKER: The answer to the first part of the question is, yes. The
question of costs arose after I made the decision not to proceed with the conspiracy
charges. A number of other matters are still before the court in respect of these
cases. The question should be answered but it should be answered carefully so as
not to prejudice the fair trial of those other matters which concern different but
related charges. At a previous hearing approximately a week ago Mr Anderson, S.M.,
said that he intended to award costs. The hearing was adjourned so that discussions
could be held as to the quantum of costs. That was a perfectly proper and usual
course to follow.
       Mr Dowd: That is rubbish.
        Mr WALKER: The Leader of the Opposition thinks it is rubbish for the
magistrate to announce that he intends to make an order for costs and for the parties
to discuss the quantum of those costs. I understand that Mr Gruzman, Q.C., demanded
$313,000 costs after an extremely lengthy hearing. Discussions were held between
Mr Gruzman and the legal advisers representing the Crown with regard to the quantum
of costs. As a result of those discussions it was decided that the significant sum
claimed should be reduced to $100,000. That sum is comparable with awards made
in the past in lengthy cases concerning corporate crime.
       I deny the allegations made by the honourable member for Gordon. The
Opposition is being malicious, particularly in light of the fact that Mr Gruzman,
Q.C., has unreservedly withdrawn his vile and totally unsubstantiated allegations. If
the honourable member had taken care to read the newspapers, he would be aware
that Mr Gruzman withdrew his remarks after seeing documents that convinced him
that his comments were totally untrue. Those documents related to advice by a
Queen's Counsel to my advisers as Attorney-General. I resent in the extreme the nature
                                  Questions without N o t i c e 2 0 October, 1982   1847

of the question and the vile allegations. Since Parliament is now to have a privileges
committee, in future the honourable member should be careful to ensure that, before
he makes vile allegations about the integrity of a member of Parliament, he has evidence
to substantiate them.
       Mr SPEAKER: Order! I call the honourable member for Northcott to order.

                         LIVERPOOL RAILWAY STATION
       Mr PACIULLO: Will the Minister for Transport inform the House of the
progress of work to improve facilities at Liverpool railway station? Is the pro-
vision of covered walkways and other facilities for passengers transferring between
bus and rail at the station also included in the general improvement programme?
         Mr COX: Honourable members will know that the honourable member for
Liverpool has strongly represented this question on a number of occasions in this
House. In March last year it was my great privilege to announce that a major develop-
ment of the railway station would be undertaken. The extent of the work to be
carried out at Liverpool railway station certainly bears repeating. It included demoli-
tion of the existing station building on the island platform and the demolition of the
existing footbridge and booking office. A new booking oflice, barriers and concourse
were to be provided together with a new parcels office and switch room and a signals
and communications depot. Also a new footbridge with weather covering to the island
platform was to be provided together with an awning and control room. Finally,
landscaping, drainage and other site works were to be carried out in conjunction with
associated alterations to the remaining buildings and toilets. Those works, costing in
excess of $1 million, have been completed. I shall soon have the pleasurable task
of consulting the local member about an official ceremony to commemorate the com-
pletion of this major undertaking. The honourable member for Liverpool, almost
three years ago to the day, said:
              The station and its surrounds are the gateway to Liverpool but are
      totally out of character with the rest of the bustling progressive, modern
      business centre of Liverpool. It is about time that this part of Liverpool
      ceased to be the shame of the city.
       In answer to the second part of the honourable member's question, I am
pleased to announce that funds have been allocated for the 1982-83 financial year to
enable the Urban Transit Authority to proceed with the provision of bus-rail inter-
change improvements at the station to complement the work already completed.
        The Government's western region transport improvement programme includes
the provision of weather protection, seats and information displays for bus-rail passen-
gers at a substantial number of stations in the western region. Most of these projects
were completed in the 1982-82 financial year. Because of proposals by Liverpod
City Council to reconstruct the bus terminal and alter traffic movements, it was not
practicable to include Liverpool in the initial group of stations listed for interchange
improvements. However, now that council's works have been completed, the inter-
change improvements can be carried out. Eary attention will be given to design
work and the calling of tenders so that a contract can be let as soon as possible. I
shall certainly keep the honourable member and the House fully informed of further
developments as they occur.
1848     ASSEMBLY-Questions       without Notice

                                 MANLY TOURISM
        Mr A. G. STEWART: My question is directed to the Treasurer. What steps has
the Government taken to encourage the tourist industry in Manly? What benefits will
that bring to my electorate?

        Mr BOOTH: I thank the honourable member for Manly for his question. I
pay tribute to his efforts to promote tourism in the Manly area. Without his dedication
and enthusiasm many of the key tourism initiatives currently taking place would not
have occurred. Each year more than 4 000 000 tourists and day trippers visit the
Manly municipality. In recognition of the area's potential, the Government established
a task force comprising officers from the Premier's Department, the New South Wales
Department of Tourism, and the Department of Environment and Planning. These
officers consulted widely with the various community, civic and business sectors
involved in the Mady tourist industry. In July 1981 the Premier presented the report of
the task force to Parliament. The recommendations in the report were wide ranging
and dealt with such matters as the Manly wharf, public wharf facilities, Narrabeen
Lakes sport and recreation centre, beach improvements, the Manly pine-trees, North
Head reclamation, and direct tourism promotion. To date progress has been made on
most recommendations. The Manly council has recognized the development of tourism
as an important priority and has supported the proposals outlined in the report. Con-
struction is underway on stage 1 redevelopment of Manly Corso. The council has
called tenders for the Wentworth Street development site, which will provide housing
accommodation, a shopping complex and a municipal library. A new surf club at the
South Steyne surf pavilion has been completed. The North Steyne surf pavilion is under
construction. Also, council has 500 small Norfolk pine-trees under cultivation to be
systematically transplanted to the Manly beach front. These trees are regarded as part
of Manly attractions and will be a contribution to the bicentennial celebrations. The
new Manly surf pavilion and a new museum have been opened.

        I pay tribute to Manly Chamber of Commerce and in particular its president,
Andrew Kalajzich, who has regarded tourism development as essential to Manly's
growth. Through the chamber's efforts a levy on commercial establishments in Manly
was introduced designed specifically to assist the development and promotion of tourism
in Manly. Funds from this levy are used to finance the tourist promotion committee.
The chamber acts as a voice for the business community and works closely with
council and the honourable member for Manly. In fact, at the instigation of the
chamber the Government undertook to examine the feasibility of encouraging tourism
in the Manly area. The honourable member has worked closely with both the
chamber of commerce and council, particularly in relation to major renovation of the
Manly wharf, which is expected to be completed at the end of the year; the operation
of new Manly ferries, and the modifying of public wharf facilities for use by private
recreational boating and smaller tourist ferry services. The honourable member has
played a significant role in the establishment of a park on North Head, As a result
of his eEorts recently the North Head harbour park was gazetted. Two other major
developments augur well for the promotion of tourism in Manly. On Saturday on
behalf of the Minister for Leisure, Sport and Tourism I will officially open the
Manly Tourist Information Centre. The State Government met half the cost of the
 $200,000 centre. That contribution was one of the largest ever made for such a project.
The new centre will play a major role in encouraging tourism development in the area.
On 1st December the Premier will open the Manly Pacific International Hotel, which
has 300 rooms and will give Sydney yet another hotel of international standard. In
 the past few years much has been achieved in Manly. In the future it will go from
 strength to strength.
                                  Questions without Notice-20   October, 1982       1849

                          KIDNEY DIALYSIS MACHINES
       Mr J. H. BROWN: I direct my question to the Treasurer representing in this
House the Minister for Energy and Minister for Water Resources. Are there a number
of people in New South Wales who, because of their medical condition, are required
each week to spend many hours on a kidney dialysis machine? Do these machines
use a lot of electricity? Will the Minister investigate this matter in the hope that some
reduction in electricity charges may be granted to people who use the machines?
        Mr BOOTH: I shall be pleased to refer the honourable member's question to
the Minister for Energy and Minister for Water Resources in another place for his
consideration, and I shall give the honourable member and the House a comprehensive
reply at a later date.

                              GLADESVILLE BRIDGE
       Mr CAVALIER: Is the Minister for Consumer Affairs and Minister for Roads
aware that this morning, as a result of an accident involving a truck carrying drums
containing chemicals, Gladesville Bridge was closed for a long time? Has the Minister
in mind any proposals to limit the passage of trucks on Sydney's major roadways
during daylight hours and particularly during peak hours?
        Mr WHELAN: I am grateful to the honourable member for Gladesville for his
question as it affords me an opportunity to inform the House of the inconvenience
occasioned to passengers and drivers of motor vehicles and commuters travelling to
the city, especially during peak hours, caused by delays following the breakdown of
motor vehicles or their being involved in an accident such as occurred this morning
on Gladesville Bridge. Apparently a semi-trailer carrying a large container overturned
on Gladesville Bridge, or on its approaches, and several other vehicles skidded into it.
The truck was carrying industrial waste. I am pleased to inform the honourable member
and the House that notwithstanding the severe nature of the incident, all lanes of the
bridge are now open and naturally will be open for this evening's peak hour traffic.
        Some interesting developments have occurred arising from this accident. During
morning and evening peak times on that bridge the Department of Main Roads operates
a service to cope with breakdowns and accidents. However, the department does
not operate a towing service capable of removing within a reasonable time an over-
turned heavy truck that had been carrying a container of industrial liquid
waste. I have asked the Commissioner for Main Roads to furnish me with a report
on this aspect. This type of accident, especially involving heavy trucks, seems to be
happening quite frequently. The honourable member's question raises also an issue that
has been causing me some concern for a considerable time, and that is the delay and
inconvenience occasioned to traffic by breakdowns on the Sydney Harbour Bridge.
In the year 1980-81 more than 4 284 vehicles were given assistance by the Department
of Main Roads traffic patrol that operates on the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Of those
4 284 vehicles, 902 vehicles broke down on the bridge as a result of having insufficient
petrol. In other words, about twenty vehicles a week through having insufficient
petrol are breaking down and blocking one of Sydney's major roads.
       Mr WHELAN: Obviously some honourable members on the Opposition benches
regard this matter as a bit of a joke. I know that the occupants of motor vehicles
proceeding to work from the north side of the harbour who experience difficulties
when crossing the Sydney Harbour Bridge would not seek assistance from Opposition
1850     ASSEMBLY-Questions         without Notice

members who represent electorates on the north side of the harbour. Inconvenience is
also occasioned to drivers of vehicles travelling against the flow of peak hour traffic,
that is, those vehicles travelling from south to north in the morning and from north to
south in the evening. The 902 vehicles that broke down last year as a result of
insufficient petrol constitute a major problem. I have asked the commissioner for
Main Roads to submit to me a list of suggested fines that might be imposed upon
drivers of such vehicles. I consider that motorists cou!d be regarded only as careless
if they did not ensure that they had adequate petrol before attempting to cross the
Sydney Harbour Bridge. If people exercized more care it would mean a huge saving
in time and fuel costs to workers proceeding to work as they would not be delayed by
vehicles stalling. I thank the honourable member for Gladesville for his question and
I shall provide him and the House with more details at a later stage.

                               PAROLE OF PRISONERS
        Mr SMITH: I address a question without notice to the Minister for Corrective
Services. How many prisoners have been released under the Government's scheme for
releasing prisoners in certain circumstances prior to the expiry of their non-parole
period? Were either George Crawford or Peter Robinson Train two such prisoners?
Were two released prisoners, one of whom was a former painter and docker, involved
in the death of Eileen Ruth Van Veen? Will the Minister now review the Government's
policy on the early release of prisoners?
        Mr JACKSON: In the past twelve months the Corrective Services Commission
has introduced a scheme to assess behaviour and all aspects relating to prisoners, in
the long-term and in the short-term. Approximately 500 prisoners have been released
under the scheme. The Government accepts that procedure, which is similar to proce-
dures in other States and other countries. A number of committees and individuals
monitor the records of particular prisoners, their visitors and attitudes. Prisoners are
released only upon the unanimous recommendation of the indeterminate sentence com-
mittee, the superintendent of the particular prison, and the probation and parole service
which has regular contact with the prisoner involved. I am not aware of the prisoners
to whom the honourable member for Pittwater referred, but I shall ascertain whether
they were released under the scheme. I know that in recent weeks there have been one
or two failures in the programme. They involved parolees who had been released on
the recommendation of the parole board. I know of no serious crimes that have been
committed by any of the persons released under the pre-parole scheme. I shall ascertain
the facts. I do not rely upon the honourable member for Pittwater, who has not
been right so far in any of the allegations he has made. It will be a unique occasion
if the implication in his question is correct. If it is, I shall be the first to advise him.

                              WOY WOY BAY BRIDGE
       Mr O'CONNELL: As the bridge on Brisbane Water Drive over the entrance
to Woy Woy Bay is in a dilapidated state, will the Minister for Consumer Affairs and
Minister for Roads inform the House whether my constituents and those who regularly
use that road can take heart from a proposal to replace the bridge in the near future?
       Mr WHELAN: The honourable member for Peats has referred to the bridge
on main road 349 over the entrance to Woy Woy Bay. The bridge at that location
was built in 1945. It is an eight-span steel girder structure on concrete piles. The bridge
was designed to carry loads of 25 tomes. That is substantially less than the loads to
which it was subjected for most of its life until it became necessary in 1978 to
                                  Questions without N o t i c e 2 0 October, 1982   1851

impose a 20 tonne load limit. Deterioration of the bridge has been accelerated by the
proximity of the steel girder deck system to salt water and by regular loadings in
excess of design tolerance. I should explain to the House the enormity of the task that
confronts the Department of Main Roads in replacing old bridges on the main road
system. Like any other asset that is subjected to constant use, a bridge will deteriorate
with the passage of time. There axe more than 6 000 bridges on the State's main road
system; approximately 1 600 of them are old timber structures. The elimination of
old timber structures from the main road system has been and will continue to be
one of the major objectives of the Department of Main Roads and of the Government.
The estimated cost of replacing those bridges is approximately $100 million, excluding
the cost of approaches. From the depastment's experience the approaches often cost
as much as do the bridges. Nevertheless, the department will continue to devote as
much effort as is practicable to the progressive replacement of d d timber bridges and
old bridges such as that at Woy Woy.
        I am delighted to advise the honourable member that his persistence about the
need to replace the bridge over the entrance to Woy Woy Bay has at last been
rewarded. Plans for a new bridge to replace the existing one will be completed by the
end of this year, and construction will commence in April 1983. The new bridge will
be a concrete structure, 87 metres long and 9.2 metres wide between kerbs. It will
have a footway. The d d bridge is about 7 metres shorter and only 5.48 metres between
kerbs. The total estimated cost will be about $750,000. When completed, the new
bridge will serve residents in the Woy Woy-Ettalong-Umina area for many years
to come. It will certainly enhance the entrance to this fine area. It will also bring
t o a conclusion representations made over many years by the honourable member.
I am sure the honourable member is delighted with the answer I have just given.

                      DRUG AND ALCOHOL AUTHORITY
       Mr HATTON: I direct a question without notice to the Minister for Health.
Is the Minister aware that $57,000 of State Government money was spent by Odyssey
House on oversea trips, and that $28,000 of that amount was spent on three executives?
Following an approach by Odyssey, did the Minister freeze funding of all Drug and
Alcohd Authority programmes pending reconsideration? Will the Minister give an
assurance that the recommended programme of funding, to which he initially agreed,
will not be altered in favour of larger agencies such as Odyssey, penalizing smaller
and more efficient drug and alcohol rehabilitation centres in Illawarra, the South Coast
and throughout New South Wales?
        Mr BRERETON: I am not aware of the figure of $57,000 nor of the details
contained in the first part of the honourable member's question. In respect of general
funding for agencies through the Drug and Alcohol Authority of New South Wales,
I repeat the advice I gave to the House yesterday, which was that the G o v e m e n t
is very proud that it is allocating 10 per cent more money this year than it did last
year, bringing the total funds available for the many agencies in the State to $3.1
million. No decision has been reached as to the level of the grant that will be
available to Odyssey House this year. Last year more than $300,000 was made
available to it. A decision will be taken shortly-I believe on Friday-on the recom-
mendations made to me by the Drug and Alcohol Authority. The honourable mem-
ber's advice that there was an initial agreement on any particular sum of money
for Odyssey House or anyone else is quite incorrect. As soon as I have the find
recommendations of the Drug and Alcohol Authority before me, I intend to inform
all honourable members what money wl be available for the many agencies in their
1852     ASSEMBLY-Questions        without Notice

       Mr Pickard: It was due on 1st October.
       Mr SPEAKER: Order!
        Mr BRERETON: Let me make it quite clear that the Government will be
doing its best to make sure that all State programmes receive a fair and equitable
distribution of available funds. To do so, it will be noting the performance of all
bodies that have received moneys in the past and considering the claims of organiza-
tions seeking additional funds. Each organization will be considered on its merits.
As soon as I am in a position to do so, I shall infonn the House of the results.

                                  YOUTH REFUGES
       MI MOCHALSKI: I direct a question without notice to the Minister E Youth
and Community Services. As a result of the economic policies of the Fraser Govern-
ment, is the incidence of homelessness increasing, particularly among young people?
What has the Government done to combat the problem? Will the Minister continue
to monitor the incidence of homelessness?
        Mr K. J. STEWART: The honourable member for Bankstown is correct; the
incidence of homelessness, particularly among young people, has increased markedly
over the past few years. This unfortunate situation has worsened as the federal
coalition Government under the leadership of Prime Minister Fraser continues to slide
into financial and moral bankruptcy. The reaction by the federal Government to this
state of &airs has been to do almost nothing, which is the way that Government usually
handles most welfare issues. However, as I said in detail in my contribution to the
budget debate yesterday the New South Wales Government has a deep commitment
to welfare matters, and most programmes under my administration received large
increases in their allocations.
        The level of State funding for youth refuges has increased from $1,057,000 in
1981-82 to $2,960,000 this year. Of that amount, the New South Wales Government
will contribute the lion's share, $2.3 million, and the federal Government only
$579,000. There are twenty-one youth refuges and twelve half-way houses in New
South Wales. The increased funds allocated this year will be used to improve the
services provided by existing refuges and half-way houses and to establish new projects.
The youth refuge programme is designed to address the problems of youth homeless-
ness, which has increased markedly during the past decade. The programme aims
to assist restoration and reconciliation of young persons with their families where
possible and to help them achieve independence in the community. I assure the
honourable member for Bankstown that I and my department will continue to monitor
the situation so that young persons who are disadvantaged because of the economic
downturn in Australia will not suffer further disadvantage.

                        LOGGING AT NIGHTCAP RANGE
        Mr BOYD: My question without notice is directed to the Minister for Police
and Emergency Services. Last week in reply to a question on Nightcap Range
logging did he fail to express his strong support for members of the New South Wales
police force in dealing with unlawful acts by demonstrators? Does his lack of
resolution indicate that Cabinet has agreed to ignore the need for job opportunities
for forestry workers, the necessity for the public to have an assured supply of Australian
timbers, and the expert knowledge of the New South Wales Forestry Commission?
                                   Questions without Notice-20    October, 1982      1853

        Mr Walker: On a point of order. I submit that the question is prolix.

        Mr SPEAKER: Order! Has the honourable member for Byron almost con-
 cluded his question?

       Mr BOYD: Yes, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister's attitude indicate also that the
 Government has surrendered unconditionally to the environmental lobby?

        Mr ANDERSON: The answer to the latter part of the honourable member's
 question is, no. I strongly resent the implication in the first part of the question that
 I do not support the New South Wales police in the actions they have taken in the area
 to which the honourable member referred.


        Mr SPEAKER: Order!

       Mr ANDERSON: I have said on many occasions in this House that I am
extremely proud to be the Minister responsible for the New South Wales police force.
The public is well served by it. The sorts of utterances made by members of the
Opposition, including the Leader of the Opposition, and today the honourable member
for Byron, do the Opposition little credit.


        Mr SPEAKER: Order! I call the honourable member for Hornsby to order.

        Mr ANDERSON: Last week when I answered the question referred to by the
honourable member for Byron I expressed my support for the actions the police had
 taken in the matter. Police officers will always have my support in enforcing the laws
that govern everyone. If anyone on either side of the logging dispute breaches the law,
the police will take appropriate action against him. The police do not take sides on
any issue; their job is to enforce the law as Parliament has enacted it. That is what
they are doing. I support them in their actions. During the past six years this
Government has significantly improved the human and technological resources avail-
able to the police force. Improvements of that kind were sadly neglected for the eleven
years that the Liberal Party and Country Party were in government. This Parliament
and the people of New South Wales should be proud of their police farce. It has no
peer in Australia.

                         DENISTONE RAILWAY STATION
        Mr McILWAINE: I direct a question without notice to the Minister for
Transport. I have been concerned by reports circulating in my electorate that a
proposal exists to close Denistone railway station. Will he assure me and the House
that Denistone railway station will not be closed while this Government remains in
        Mr COX: I am aware that Denistone forms part of the honourable member's
electorate and that he takes a keen interest in its development. Furphies have been
circulating that Denistone railway station is to be closed. I assure the honourable
member that will not happen. I am fully aware of his interest in his electorate and I
give him a 100 per cent guarantee that Denistone railway station will remain open.
1854     ASSEMBLY-Questions       without Notice--Coal and Oil Shale Bill

       Dr METHERELL: My question is directed to the Minister for Transport.
Did the Commissioner for Motor Transport, Mr J. W. Davies, issue a minute dated
17th September, 1982, to senior officas of his department instructing them that under a
new policy they would be compelled to retire immediately if they had already attained
60 years of age unless they could make out a personal case for exemption? Has Mr
Davies now withdrawn this directive as a result of the Minister's intervention? Was
Mr Davies acting with the Minister's knowledge and approval when he issued that
original minute or did he misuse certain provisions of the Transport Act, which are
intended to prevent corruption by departmental officers?
       Mr COX: It is true that Mr Davies issued a circular informing employees
of the department that officers could be retired at 60 years of age depending on
their personal and financial circumstances. This matter came to my attention when
the Australian Transport OfEcers Federation raised the matter with me. My under-
standing is that the association had not been informed of this decision and its members
were most concerned. I then advised Mr Davies that for the time being that policy
was to be suspended so that unions could be acquainted fully with any proposals.

                                   JOB SHARING
        Mr HILLS: Yesterday the Deputy Leader of the Opposition asked the Premier
a question without notice regarding a statement by the Hon. I. M. Macphee, the
federal Minister for Employment and Industrial Relations, about permanent part-time
employees. Extensive discussions have taken place between the public service unions
and the Public Service Board regarding the introduction of permanent part-time work
in New South Wales. Superannuation is a major stumbling-block because the present
design of the State Superannuation Fund will not accommodate a pro rata system of
entitlements, which would be necessary for the equitable treatment of part-time em-
ployees. A system of service relationship in the determination of benefits is needed to
provide an equitable superannuation coverage between full-time and part-time workers.
Reforms to the structure of the fund, which would allow the inclusion of part-time
employees, are a major part of a package of proposals that have been circulated to
unions by my superannuation administration. On the conclusion of discussions and
with the unions' agreement it is hoped that amendments to the Superannuation Act
will be submitted to the Parliament.

                     AMENDMENT BILL
                                   Second Reading
       Debate resumed (from 22nd September, vide page 1083) on motion by Mr Hills:
            That this bill be now read a second time.
       Mr SMITH (Pittwater) [3.10]: Although the Opposition supports this bill, a
few points need to be made. In his second reading speech the Minister said the bill
seeks to ratify a consent agreement entered into between the coal proprietors and the
unians m@hg        superannuation for coahnhers. Cestain changes, will be made by
                     Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers Bill-20    October, 1982       1855

the bill. One change provides for early retirement at the age of 58 years. A limit
of fourteen days is imposed as the time in which companies must forward con-
tributions to the tribunl if they do not want to pay the 10 per cent interest
default. A further change brought about by this bill allows the tribunal discretion to
deal with people who are in psychiatric hospitals. Previous provisions were quite rigid
in that respect and caused injustice, and it is pleasing to see that such points have
been corrected.

        The consent agreement was thrashed out for quite some time between the unions
and the proprietors in the industry. One of the proprietors is the State Government, for
it has large holdings in Electricity Commission mines. The miners wanted to have early
retirement at 55 years, although the bill allows for it at age 58, simply as an
attempt to counter the increasing unemployment in the industry. That there should
be such increasing unemployment in that industry is an indictment of this Govern-
ment, for no reduction in employment should need to take place. The present unemploy-
ment is the direct result of the policies of this Government which have resulted in
inadequate coal loading facilities, making coalmining uneconomical in New South
Wales. When one looks at the business returns of coalmines in the past couple of
years one wonders why anyone would invest money in coalmines. The returns are
extremely low. Returns for Clutha have been in the order 06 0.5 per cent over five
years. White Industries, which built the Ulan railway that was opened with great fan-
fare last Friday, has been able to export only 1 million tonnes of coal a year when it
should be exporting at the rate of 4 million tonnes in order to pay for the rail line.

        The Miners Federation, which wanted an early retirement age of 55 years,
is concerned about the increasing unemployment in the coal industry. The federation
sees early retirement as one way of keeping employment opportunities open for other
miners, but any mineworkers who take early retirement suffer a superannuation loss
simply because of its pro rata basis. They get so much money for every month of
service they have had in the industry. The superannuation scheme in fact provides them
with a lump sum on retirement. With the extremely large pay scales that miners have
been receiving in the past few years it is to be regretted that the coal industry and the
Government have not done something about making the superannuation scheme more
economically appealing for miners. In many cases miners do not spend their wages
wisely. Many of them have not acquired monetary skills or learned how to handle
money. That criticism does not apply to al rnineworkers. Some have been quite
successful in the husbanding of their wages. However, there are miners in receipt of
large wages who have disposed of a fair portion of them in poker machines or in
purchasing liquor and other such matters.

       Having worked with miners all my life I recognize that many of them need
financial advice so that they may use their large wages to the best advantage. One of
the ways this could be done is to have the industry and the Government do something
about the miners' superannuation scheme. That scheme has never been one of the
better superannuation schemes in the community. It is interesting to note in the
Auditor-General's report that the estimated excess of the fund's net total liabilities
over its accumulated fund was $51,532,000 at 30th June, 1981, compared with
$23,500,000 at 30th June, 1978. That shows the fund is actuarially rather unsound.
At page 216 of the Auditor-General's report the statement is made:
           The most recent actuarial valuation reported that the net liability of
    the fund, as at 30th June, 1980, remaining to be paid for by the special mine
    owners' contribution, was $349.3 million compared with $326.5 million at
    26th March, 1979.
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That was a rise of some $23 million over 1979. That means that the special mine-
owners' contribution will have to continue for some twenty-one years. The House
may not be aware of the ratio for contributions from the mineowners and the mine-
workers. At present the mineworkers are paying $7.88 a week, whereas the mine-
owners are paying $23.63 a week for each person and $17.33 as the special mine-
owners' contribution. It seems that will have to be paid for some twenty-one years, in
the present circumstances. The opportunity was available for the Minister to show
some intelligence by having a good look at this fund to see how he could encourage
the mineworkers to contribute more d their earnings for their future long-term

        One of the problems facing New South Wales, and Australia in general, is
the superannuation time bomb. Many superannuation schemes put up by government,
which includes the public service superannuation scheme, are actuarially quite suspect.
What is happening is that the liability being built up under those schemes is far
in excess of the contributions being made so that the management of the scheme
cannot produce sufficient funds to cover the liability. Several examples of this can be
seen across Australia. The young people of tomorrow who will come into the work
force will have to subsidize these schemes by their taxes. When such schemes are
actuarially unsound, that is always a danger. With miners earning salaries of $30,000
a year and more, it seems only prudent they should invest more of their salaries in
the superannuation fund to offset a sudden drop in income when they retire and thus
better provide for their old age. As I pointed out earlier, coalmine owners are paying
something like four and a half times the contribution of the mineworker. At present,
it seems impossible to milk more out of the mineowners to put into this scheme
for the simple reason that in that industry profits are not being made that should be
made. Consequently, because it is not profitable for Australians to invest heavily in
the coal industry we find much of its investment capital coming from overseas.

        We are selling out the farm to oversea interests by way of loans and allowing
oversea equity in our own natural resources. The Government should be doing
something to encourage Australian investment in our own industry. As I have said,
it is impossible to milk more out of the coal industry at the moment. The Govern-
ment takes 30 per cent of the revenue that the industry earns from each tonne of
coal for port charges, rail freights, royalties and other levies. That is a significant
proportion of mining revenue. Another 35 per cent of the revenue goes in wages,
15 per cent to the Commonwealth Government-I            do not excuse it for that-and
supplies and other costs account for 10 per cent, leaving only 10 per cent to pay interest
and dividends and to cover the capital cost of operating a mine. That does not seem
to me a sound distribution of revenue from mining.

       I ask the Minister to take the opportunity of examining the mineworkers'
superannuation fund to see what can be done to improve it generally for the miners.
At the moment they receive on retirement a lump sum of $47,259, which is not a
large sum of money today. If the mineworker who retires has not been prudent
during his working life, that sum will not set him up for long and he will soon be
a burden on the community.

       The Opposition does not oppose the amendment to provide that contributions
to the fund may attract interest at 10 per cent if they are not paid to the super-
annuation tribunal within fourteen days. That seems reasonable. It is possible that
some employers might be a bit tardy if they have an overdraft running at 18 per
cent. By delaying their contribution to the superannuation tribunal they can save
                    Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers Bill-20    October, 1982     1857

interest payments on their overdraft. I commend the Minister for introducing the
amendment to allow the tribunal to exercise a discretion whether a person's subsidy
or pension rights should be suspended while that person is a patient in a psychiatric
hospital. The previous rigid provision created some injustices. No one would wish
to find himself as a patient in a psychiatric hospital with someone else having the
power to take away his financial rights and put his estate and family at risk. This
provision is humane and sensible. I am confident that the tribunal will exercise the
discretion wisely. I support the motion and ask the Minister to consider the points
I have raised.

        Mr NEILLY (Cessnock) [3.24]: I support the bill. As the honourable mem-
ber for Pittwater pointed out, the Government is legislating to formalize an agreement
reached between the colliery proprietors and miners. The amendments will provide
for the introduction of retirement at 58 years after 25 years' or 300 months' service
in the industry. The amendments will provide also a fourteen day deadline for the
receipt of contributions by an employer to the superannuation fund. That is scrund
common sense and business practice. A third amendment will give discretionary
power to the superannuation tribunal to make payments of pension to people who
are patients under the Mental Health Act. I shall deal first with the introduction
of retirement at age 58.

       On 16th July a new award for the mining industry was ratified. It received
acceptance by 97 per cent of the rank and file, The new award included provision
for voluntary retirement at age 58. This will bring New South Wales into line
with what happens in Queensland. Retirement at age 58 will not provide men in
the industry with additional funds compared with what they would receive on retire-
ment at age 60, for the scheme operates on the principle of payment of a certain
amount for each year of service. So the new provision will not result in financial
gain for the miners, but it will allow them the option of voluntary early retire-
ment. In the July issue of Conzrnon Cause, the mineworkers' magazine, it was re-
ported that New South Wales and Queensland mineworkers will in twelve months
seek to reopen discussions with the colliery proprietors with a view to introducing
voluntary retirement at age 55.

        Early retirement is not peculiar to the mining industries in Australia. I
 understand that in the Soviet Union it is possible to retire at age 50 and that in
France there is provision for retirement after 30 years' service in underground mines.
One matter that is causing considerable concern at the moment is the position at
Drayton open-cut mine. The northern miners' federation has taken a stand and
will not man that operation. I referred to this matter in my contribution to the
Address-in-Reply debate. The mineworkers have based their stand on the slacken-
ing in demand by the Japanese for export coal, the fact that Japan is considering
alternative sources of coal supply, the fact that Elcom's production is exceeding the
requirements of the Electricity Commission, and the fact that the use of natural
gas has increased in the past 12 months by about 700 per cent. In addition, the
Lochinvar aluminium smelting project is not proceeding, so the coal that would have
been required to generate electricity for that smelter will not be needed. Members
of the federation are concerned that their job prospects may be in jeopardy. When
the mineworkers' new award was introduced, the miners in the north voted for over-
time limitations as well as other measures.

       The mineworkers can see a situation developing in which cavelling out would
occur. As a result, representatives of the federation met with colliery proprietors
and representatives of the Joint Coal Board and in early August a letter was directed
1858      ASSEMBLY-Coal       and Oil Shale Mine Workers Bill

by the Joint Coal Board to the chairman of the mineworkers' national liaison com-
mittee, Mr Bob Kelly, stating that the coal board "guarantees to minitor produc-
tion from all mines and ensure that their levels of output do not threaten employ-
ment at existing mines". I do not think the fear of the miners relates to output. I
think it is about the changes that are occurring within the industry. I shall speak about
that later.

        The honourable member for Pittwater blamed the New South Wales Govern-
ment for the downturn, or potential downturn, in the industry in this State. An
examination of mining operations overseas will show that the problems of the industry
are not unique to New South Wales. In Canada three leading mining companies have
ceased operations and stood down their employees. In the United States of America
it is expected that there will be a slowing down of exports in the next seven
months and that this will lead to short time work in some mines and the closure of
others. I understand that the Miners Federation in Queensland is concerned that there
could be closure of some mines and changes in the industry in that State.

       The miners have some fears with regard to a cavel-out. In the 1950's work
was available in other industries. In the north the BHP steelworks provided excellent
job opportunities for some miners who were cavelled out. In the 1950's some of those
men who were cavelled out chose not to return to the mines; they continued to work
in the steel industry. Also in the 1950's when cavelling out occurred in the north job
opportunities were available in the mining industries on the South Coast when new
mines were opened up in that area. A number of miners took up employment in
Queensland and Western Australia. Such opportunities are not now available. All
honourable members are aware of the predicament of Broken Hill Proprietary Com-
pany Limited with regard to its steel production.

        I should like to refer to the report of the Joint Coal Board presented to this
Parliament for the year ending 30th June, 1981. Part of the report deals with employ-
ment in the mining industry. It contains a table of some employment statistics for the
industry between 1951 and 1981. At the end o June 1951 some 18 665 persons were
employed in the industry in New South Wales; at the end of June 1961 the number
was 12 595; at the end of June 1976 it was 15 478, and at the end of June 1981 the
figure was 19 867. It is evident that between 1951 and 1961, when mechanization
occurred within the mining industry, the number of persons employed was reduced
by one-third. Almost fifteen years elapsed before the number of persons employed
commenced to increase. Towards the end of the 1970's the employment figure rose
again to a level comparable to that for 1951. The numbers I have quoted include
employees working in open-cut mines. The relevant figures are: for June 1951, 1 289,
for June 1961, 148 and for June 1976, 762. The figure for June 1981 was 1855.
The number of persons now employed is approximately 50 per cent higher than the
number in 1951. A similar change has not taken place in the underground mining
        I shall now make some observations on those figures. During the period from
the 1950's to 1961, when retrenchments were taking place, no new mines were
opened. Consequently, a large number of mineworkers are now approaching retirement.
An analysis of the figures reveals that a large and unreal proportion of mineworkers
are aged 50. There is not a significant number of miners between the ages of 30 and
50; there is a large number between the ages of 20 and 30. Any early retirement
benefits introduced into the fund probably would require close scrutiny as a result of
a demand on the fund's resources. In recent years-and this is a cause of concern to
the mining unions-production     from open-cut mines, which are not large employers
of men, has increased from 10 per cent to 40 per cent of total production. In the 1950's
                      Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers Bill-20     October ,1982      1859

the industry changed from using picks and shovels to a system of continuous mining.
The impact of that system on manpower was a cause of great concern. In recent years
there has been an extension of open-cut mining and the development of long wall
underground mining. Long wall underground mining has had the same impact on the
industry as the change from the use of picks and shovels to continuous mining.

       Mineowners will find that with long wall mining it may be possible to operate
two mines and achieve greater production than by operating four mines under the
present system. Doubtless great change will take place within the industry as a result
of the development of new technology. The consequence will be a downturn in man-
power required to operate mines. It is interesting to note the report of the Government
Actuary into the efficiency of the mineworkers' superannuation scheme as at 30th
June. In a letter to the coalmines superannuation tribunal dated 7th October, 1981,
which accompanied his report, the Government Actuary stated:
            Although the accumulated funds of the superannuation fund did not
     make progress in the period up to 30th June, 1980 it now appears that some
     progress will be possible provided that the number of contributors continues
     to grow and no seriously adverse features emerge in the experience.
That report contains a number of conclusions and recommendations. They assume
that the numbers employed in the industry wl grow at the rate of 4 per cent a
year for the next ten years and at 2 per cent a year for at least eleven years thereafter.
The Government Actuary, in stating his conclusions, said:
            The superannuation fund remains sensitive to the numbers employed.
     If a downturn were to occur, unexpected though it may be, the effect on the
     assets would need to be carefully monitored.
If retirement at age 55 is to be contemplated in twelve months' time-and because of
the statement by Mr Bob Kelly I believe the issue will be raised again-the Govern-
ment Actuary should reassess the situation prior to 30th June next year. The Govern-
ment Actuary reported that he did not feel that the fund needed any further review
prior to 30th June, 1983. Obviously, changes are occurring within the industry. Des-
pite what has been said by the honourable member for Pittwater, those changes have
not necessarily come about because of slackening in demand for domestic coal and
export coal. Many changes have come about because of a change in mining operations.
The superannuation fund, as we know it, will have to change if it is to continue in its
present form in the future.
        The honourable member for Pittwater referred to the contributions made to
the superannuation fund by coalminers and coalowners. When lump sum payments
were introduced into the new scheme in 1978 the employees agreed to a reduced
pro rata contribution by the proprietors from the ratio of 43:l to a ratio of 3 3 : l .
Admittedly, the proprietors have been required to pay into the fund more than they
did previously. I agree with the honourable member for Pittwater when he said that
the lump sum payment of $47,000 after thirty years service in the mining industry-
and a person is expected to live on that sum from 58 to 65, when he is entitled to
receive a pension-is inadequate. In future applications by the Miners Federation to
amend the award more emphasis should be placed on retirement and a better scheme
that will pay greater benefits. I commend the bill.
        Mr FISHER (Upper Hunter) [3.401: It has already been made clear that
the Opposition does not intend to oppose the bill nor seek to amend it. I shall not
reiterate the Opposition's attitude to the main provisions of the bill relating to retire-
ment, superannuation and pension rights under the Mental Health Act. Those matters
have been covered adequately already by the honourable member for Pittwater and
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the honourable member for Cessnock. I shall direct my attention to two particular
matters. The first relates to the hazards of coalrnining, with which the Minister dealt
in his second reading speech. The hazards involved in underground mining operations
have been recognized for many years. Recent technological improvements have re-
moved some of those hazards. Nevertheless, miners working underground are always
at risk of accident and they are aware of that. Anything done to improve their condi-
tions and retirement benefits is to be applauded. The provisions in respect of earlier
retirement will relieve some of the pressures on the industry at a time when it is
sdfering from the effects of a deal of unemployment. Problems involving unemploy-
ment have occurred in mines on the South Coast, in the Burragorang Valley and the
Newcastle area.

       I agree with the comments of the honourable member for Cessnock when he
spoke about the Drayton mine, which is now producing 40 per cent of the total coal
output of New South Wales. Underground mining results in almost half the coal
resources being kept in the ground. For that reason the development of modern opcn-
cut mining machinery capable of removing coal to a depth of 1 000 feet wilt enable
Australia to recover about 98 per cent of its total coal resources. If such a vast quantity
of coal can be recovered by open-cut methods, surely that process should be encour-
aged. At present a number of difficulties are being experienced because of the action of
the Miners Federation whose members are concerned mainly in underground mining.
Open-cut mines are operated almost entirely by members of the Federation of Engine
Drivers and Firemen's Association. The difficulties to which I refer are affecting opera-
tions at the Drayton mine.

         It is deplorable that a mining company, which may have spent between $150
million and $200 million in developing a coalmine, and having dealt with twenty-eight
departments, should have to suspend operations because of the actions of the Miners
Federation. The federation has refused to allow its members to operate the mine.
This highlights what happens when a large number of unions is involved in an industrial
undertaking. Obviously the Miners Federation fears for the future of its members.
However, that should not interfere with the operations of the Drayton mine, particu-
larly as no federation members are involved in the mining operations there. The
honourable member for Cessnock read an extract from the Common Cause, seeking
to justify the reasons behind the Miners Federation's failure to allow its members to
work at the mine. The article instanced the stockpiling of coal, the downturn in demand
by the Electricity Commission and other reasons. However, I do not regard that as the
main cause of the federation's actions. Indeed an editorial in the Common Cause
had some scathing comments to make about the reasons why the Drayton mine was not
allowed to open. For instance, it pointed to divisions within the unions involved in
the mining industry.

        A total of twenty-eight trade unions are involved in the process of getting the
coal from the pithead to the ports in Newcastle, Sydney and Port Kembla. The
present difficulty should provide an opportunity for the Government to take the initia-
tive and attempt to achieve one union for the mining industry. Such a move would
clear away many of the difficulties now facing the Drayton mine. Because open-cut
mining is being affected adversely by the actions of the Miners Federation in its fears
for its members, New South Wales is losing markets to other producers. Contracts
earmarked for Drayton will now go to Queensland or to other countries. This is a
threat to the export potential of New South Wales. It certainly does not improve the
opport~~nities other mines. The action that has brought to a standstill the operations
at the Drayton mine can only be deplored. Most of the members of the Miners
Federation in New South Wales live on the South Coast and in the Burragorang
                     Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers Bill-20    October, 1982       1861

Valley. The men and their families would not wish to be relocated in the Upper Hunter
area where the open-cut mining operations are to take place. It is a sad state of affairs
that although the Drayton mine will not affect the jobs of Miners Federation members,
labour is being withheld The end result may well be a closure of the company's
operations in New South Wales. Much of the money invested in expensive mobile
mining machinery may well be moved to another State. This would be a great
tragedy for New South Wales and for the mining industry in general. It is ridiculous
to expect a company to invest large sums of money in open-cut mining but not to
have its operations well under way by now.
        The bringing of this measure before the House provides an opportunity for
the Government to correct a number of anolmalies that have existed in the Coal and
Oil Shale Mine Workers (Superannuation) Act since its enactment in 1978. The
enabling legislation was introduced by the Minister for Industrial Relations and
Minister for Technology. At that time he acknowledged that a number of retired
mineworkers would be disadvantaged by the legislation, and that has been the situation
for four years. Retired mineworkers who still claim to be disadvantaged by the
legislation have held a number of meetings to discuss the matter. The honourable
member for Cessnmk and other honourable members are aware that those retired
miners will conti~lue be disadvantaged. The opportunity to remove those anomalies
has been lost by the Government's failure to introduce the necessary amendments at
this time. The problem is not easy to resolve. The retired miners were promised
by the Premier that a conference would be held to discuss those anomalies.
       Mr Hills: A meeting was held. I was chairman of that conference.
       Mr FISHER: I have a letter from the Northern Retired Miners Association
that quotes the Premier as telling them, "You have got the rough end of the pineapple".
The association acknowledges that a meeting was held with the Minister for Industrial
Relations and Minister for Technology. However, it does not acknowledge that a
conference was held at which this issue was discussed. The Minister's reputation has
been tarnished, for the meeting that was promised to discuss these anomalies has not
taken place.
       Mr Hills: Who signed the letter to which the honourable member is referring?
       Mr FISHER: It was signed by three people, who could be known to the
Minister. One is Mr Jim Commerford.
       Mr Hills: He was at the conference.
       Mr FISHER: Another is Mr Cockerell.
       Mr Hills: He was at the conference.
       Mr FISHER: The other person is Mr Jim Priest.
       Mr Hills: He was at the conference, which was held at Parliament House.
       Mr ACTING-SPEAKER (Mr O'Connell) : Order! The Minister for Industrial
Relations and Minister for Technology should seek the call if he wishes to have the
opportunity to reply to the remarks of the honourable member for Upper Hunter.
        Mr FISHER: Doubtless the Minister has a copy of the letter. Those retired
miners fed strongly about the fact that the Premier failed to honour his promise.
Those miners are still disadvantaged. I join the honourable member for Pittwater in
supporting the bill and acknowledge that it goes some way towards improving the
benefits for retired mineworkers.
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       Mr HILLS (Elizabeth), Minister for Industrial Relations and Minister for
Technology L3.551, in reply: I am glad that the honourable member for Upper Hunter
decided to conclude with a reference to the bill because most of his speech dealt with
anything but this measure. I did not take a point of order, for I was interested to hear
what he had to say about Drayton. I enjoyed the contributions by the honourable
member for Pittwater, the honourable member for Cessnock and even the speech
of the honourable member for Upper Hunter. The bill seeks to ratify agreements
made between the mineowners and the unions. The Government has no authority
in the matter. The honourable member for Pittwater attempted to give us the
impression that taxpayers' money was involved, but that is not so. Not a penny of
taxpayers' money is contributed to this fund. The money is contributed by the mine-
owners and workers in the industry. Before the 1978 legislation was enacted the
Government contributed to the fund. However, that legislation altered that situation
and the Government's contribution was phased out. The honourable member for
Pittwater spoke about the stability of the fund. The 1978 legislation put the fund on
a proper economic basis. It will take some considerable time for the fund to be
considered completely safe. The bill is the result of a decision by the bodies concerned
in the industry. The honourable member for Pittwater said that the mineowners
are contributing all that they are able to contribute and that something should be
done about reconstructing the fund. Although he did not say that the employees
should contribute more, that is what he meant.

       Mr Smith: That is correct.

        Mr HILLS: The honourable member for Pittwater agrees he meant that. The
bill seeks to give miners the opportunity-it is not compulsory-to retire at 58 years
of age. If they do so, they will lose a considerable sum. New South Wales is
experiencing difficult times. The unions concerned came to see me and the Premier
and suggested that the time would probably arrive when 55 years of age would be
the appropriate age at which a person should have the right to elect to retire. I
had a conference with mineowners, union representatives and officers who administer
the fund on behalf of the parties. The mineowners and the workers agreed to go
away and discuss the matter further. The honourable member for Cessnock suggested
that when the Government Actuary has another look at the fund in June or July
next year, serious consideration should be given to reducing the retirement age to 55.
I have grave doubt about the merit of that suggestion, and the officers who advise
me feel the same way.

        The figures submitted to the parties at the discussion in my office about
two and a half weeks ago convinced them that this was not the appropriate time to
legislate in respect of the optional retirement age of 55. It was correct that a person
who came under psychiatric observation should have had the right to continue to
receive a pension during the time he was under such observation. I do not know
how such a provision found its way into the original Act, but the Government
has set about to change it. I repeat, the bill is the result of agreement between the
parties. When the Act was amended in 1978 I felt that more consideration should
have been given to those who were already pensioners and would be affected by
the legislation. Nevertheless, the Government was bound by an agreement made between
the parties.

        The Premier undertook to investigate their claims. I called together representa-
tives of all unions involved at a meeting at Parliament House. Those representa-
tives included two persons mentioned by the honourable member for Upper Hunter.
Mr Priest was not here, though I had thought he was. Mr Commerford and Mr
                Coal and Oil Shale Bill-Appropriation    Bill-20   October, 1982     1863
Cockerel1 attended. Of the three New South Wales branches of the retired mine-
workers, retired mineworkers from the west and south agreed completely with the
amendments made in the 1978 legislation. Only retired mineworkers from the north
objected to those amendments. The statewide body of the retired mineworkers support
the legislation as it stands. Messrs Commerford and Cockerel1 and the people from
the north are the only persons who object.

        Mr Fisher: The Minister has missed an opportunity to amend the Act.
        Mr HILLS: My conference with union representatives lasted three hours. A11
parties were present, including representatives of the Federated Engine Drivers and Fire-
men's Association, mineworkers and the retired mineworkers. Only three people at
that conference, which was attended by about twenty-five people, disagreed with exist-
ing legislation. The mineowners are not willing to agree to the amendment. How the
honourable member for Upper Hunter can suggest that my reputation is tarnished
when there was an overwhelming support among all the parties that the legislation
should remain as it is, is beyond my comprehension.
        Mr Fisher: Obviously the Minister has seen the letter in which details are
set out.
         Mr HILLS: I have seen the letter. I have had a conference with all the parties.
It was held on the eighth floor of the parliamentary building. All parties had an
opportunity to express their points of view. Only two persons in that room, Messrs
Commerford and Cockerell, disagreed with the others. The statewide body of the retired
mineworkers favours the existing legislation. I repeat, the retired mineworkers from
the west and the south favour the present legislation. Only the northern districts retired
mineworkers are opposed to it. Under no circtimstances could I convince the parties
that the legislation ought to be changed. They would not agree to that course of
action. It is their money that is involved, and therefore the Government can do nothing
about it. For the honourable member for Upper H ~ ~ n t e r suggest that this was an
opportunity to change the legislation, despite the opposition of the parties involved, is
quite beyond my comprehension. I am glad that all honourable members support the
legislation. I acknowledge that the mine industry is encountering difficult times.
It is distressing that miners have locked themselves in a mine on the South Coast. The
conditions under which these men work, and the fact that they are losing their
employment, and that they and their families are suffering, require that something be
done as quickly as possible to overcome the serious problems that prevail within the
mining industry and the steel industry. The economic situation generally ought to be
tackled by all honourable members and all governments.
       Motion agreed to.
       Bill read a second time.

                                     Third Reading
       By leave, bill read a third time, on motion by Mr Hills.

                               APPROPRIATION BILL
                                    Second Reading
       Debate resumed (from 19th October, vide page 1804) on motion by Mr Booth:
           That this bill be now read a second time.
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         Mr PICKARD (Hornsby) [4.5]: I note that the Deputy Premier, Minister for
 Public Works and Minister for Ports, who earlier made some comments and was
 called to order, is absent from the House. He has been quiet since being called to
order. I wonder why. I paraphrase the Bard who said that he who steals my purse
steals trash, but he who filches my good name leaves me poor indeed. Members who
attempt to denigrate the good reputation of other honourable members in this House
resort to the lowest form of parliamentary behaviour. Unfortunately many honourable
members pride themselves in their capacity to do just that. Many members of this
Parliament, indeed all parliaments of this land, seem to have adopted an attitude of
trying to attack the good reputation of other honourable members on every occasion
that presents itself.
       Mr ACTING-SPEAKER (Mr O'Connell): Order! The honourable member
must restrict his comments to the question before the Chair.
       Mr PICKARD: At your direction I shall speak to the Budget. During this
debate I have been concerned about the frequency with which honourable members
take every opportunity to slight the good reputation of other people. Instead of debating
the Budget, several honourable members have taken the opportunity. As late as last
night immediately before the motion for the adjournment of the House, the-
       Mr ACTING-SPEAKER: Order! I have already called the honourable member
to order for not debating the question before the Chair. I ask the honourable member
to observe my direction.
       Mr PICKARD: I am merely trying to answer comments made last night during
debate. I submit I have a right to mention matters raised last night. I do not intend
to dwell on them at length but merely to make passing reference to them. I am not
canvassing your ruling, Mr Acting-Speaker, but I ask you to reconsider.
       Mr ACTING-SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member may continue so
long as he speaks to the bill.
       Mr PICKARD: In accordance with your direction I shall debate the Budget,
which among other things deals with four important matters: education, health, public
works and ports, and transport. Despite sleight of hand and thimble and pea tricks
performed by this Treasurer and his predecessors, from all political parties, the public
should be made aware that allowing a 10.7 per cent increase for inflation, if services in
those four important porfolios are to be maintained at existing levels, without better-
ment, it would require an additional budget allocation to them of $343 million this
corning year.
        To continue the existing standard of education services would require the
expenditure of an additional $68 million. School building programmes have been
cut back savagely in the past six years. Until last year the Wran Government had
never introduced a Budget in which the allocation for the building programme of the
Department of Education reached the level that had been provided in the last year
of office of the former coalition Government in which the Hon. Sir Eric Willis was
Premier and Minister for Education. About $500 million would be required to catch
up on the school building programme, without having regard to special grants that
would be necessary for the construction of halls and multipurpose buildings.

        There has been a decrease in the percentage of funds allocated for the pro-
vision of transport for school students. In its 1978 election campaign the Wran
Government promised that it would increase expenditure on transport for children
attending kindergartens and remove the 1.6 kilometres qualifying restriction so that
                                        Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982     1865
all kindergarten students could enjoy the benefit of free transport, no matter how
far they lived from the schools they were attending. A further promise was made
that the benefit would be available at a later stage to all students. That promise was
never honoured. This Government is making every effort to curb expenditure on
providing transport for schoolchildren, to the danger and detriment of all students.
The Government has reversed the only major promise it made about education in its
1978 election campaign.
       Mr Mulock: School transport in New South Wales is the most liberal in
        Mr PICKARD: The Government has reneged on its promise in regard to
school transport as it has reneged on so many other promises. It is all very well
for the Minister for Education to laugh. He will not be laughing when the people
show their disapproval of the Government's broken promises. When speaking about
broken promises I should refer to my experience with two high schools in the Hornsby
electorate. The first matter concerns Asquith Girls High School. By the time the
coalition parties ended their term of government, two stages of a three stage develop-
ment programme for that high school had been completed. A contract had been let
for the third stage and the builders were ready to proceed. With the change in
government approval for the construction work was withdrawn. The programme has
never been completed.
         The second school involved is Asquith Boys High School. A promise had been
made that work would be carried out at the school and tenders had been called.
Funds were made available. The Minister for Education in the new Labor Govern-
ment who succeeded me in that portfolio made a promise that the former coalition
Government's undertaking would be fulfilled. To the credit of the present Minister
for Education, he has followed a constant and firm line in regard to Asquith Boys
High School. The former Minister for Education in the Labor Government added
a further promise, but then withdrew funding. The Wran Government has never
fulfilled its promise to the people of the Hornsby electorate. To catch up with the
school building programme and to keep the present programme up to date an
additional $68 million would have to be allocated in the Budget.
        There is a shortfall of $187 million in the budget provision for health. If
the Government wants to maintain the level of health services, allowing for an infla-
tionary factor of 10.7 per cent, an additional $187 million will have to be made
available. Specialist units at several hospitals have been disbanded. The Government
has no real policy to re-establish those units at any of the new hospitals. The ratio
of specialist beds at some inner city hospitals has been increased but that has not
happened in the western suburbs hospitals. Though the Government has said that
it is reducing specialist units at inner city hospitals so that people in the west will
be able to receive specialist treatment at local hospitals, those beds have not been
transferred to the western metropolitan area; nor has the necessary funding been
provided to make that possible, even if the manpower and facilities were available.
        Everyone seems to have ignored the abuse of the rr--3ical fraternity by the
Minister for Health, who overnight somehow has blossomed ix ~o an expert on tonsil-
lectomies and many other matters. The Minister must have found on his desk a
pamphlet that has given him a vast amount of knowledge. If he read today's Sydney
Morning Herald he would learn what is being said about tonsillectomy by those who
are proficient in that field. On one day alone last month 200 New South Wales
doctors applied for permission to migrate to the United States of America. One of
the doctors who spoke to me about this matter has been a friend of mine since
university days. He asked me "How will we replace the experience that those men
1866      ASSEMBLY-Appropriation        Bill

will take with them? How will we find the experts to replace those doctors?" One
wonders what could be done to replace the capacity, skill and dedication of such
persons as the medical practitioner who has been castigated constantly in this House
and called a defrauder of people, in a most vindictive and vicious manner. That
doctor has been pursued individually yet all he did was render a service at the
request of the parents of six children. The mother of those children gave the doctor
her approval and thanks for what he did.
        The Government provides the Health Commission of New South Wales with
funds that are insufficient for it to maintain the same level of services that it provided
last year. Further, the Government permits a young Minister to castigate a doctor and
smear in a vicious way the character of medical practitioners. The Parliament should
not tolerate that conduct. It would appear from the provisions in the Budget and
from the attack by economic means and by way of personal vindictive remarks about
medical practitioners that the Government wishes to nationalize at a State level all
medical services.
       Mr Caterson: That is the Government's policy.
        Mr PICKARD: It would appear to be its policy. If it is not, the Government
should apologize and thus restore people's confidence in doctors whose reputations may
have been destroyed by the vicious personal attacks made in this House. In respect to
public works, $76 million must be found to keep services operating next year at the
same level as they are operating this year. If that sum is not found it will have a serious
effect on the operations of the Maritime Services Board, on the provision of coal
loaders, and in keeping ships moving in and out of port. The only real economic
growth factor in New South Wales-or         perhaps I should say was-its coal. Quite
suddenly Wran's navy disappeared off the coast of New South Wales. The people
of New South Wales heard the Premier promise, not from this city but from Korea,
that such a happening would never occur again. The Premier must realize that in the
time that he allowed the ships to stay off the coast New South Wales lost contracts
for the supply of 15 million tonnes of coal a year.
        The people of New South Wales should be reminded that although that one real
economic growth factor could provide income, job opportunities, and the maintenance
of services in the coal industry, since the Wran Labor Government came into office
no new coal loader or a port capable of accommodating a ship of more than 120 000
tonnes has been provided. During that time the world's shippers and buyers of
steaming coal have said that if economic use is to be made of port facilities at oversea
destinations, New South Wales cod ports must be capable of accommodating vessels
of between 120 000 and 150 000 tonnes. Contracts for 23 million tonnes of coal
exported from Montana in the United States of America could have been available
to New South Wales had the Government opened Botany Bay to the export of coal.
That is the only port in New South Wales that could be capable of accommodating
vessels of more than 110 000 tonnes.
        Because of the political machinations within the Labor Party the Govern-
ment has remained idle and shown no concern for the State's real economic growth.
The Government should have ensured that coal was exported through Botany Bay
rather than burdening the industry with $1,000 million in extra freight charges over a
period of five years as a result of coal having to be transported to other places. That
figure was arrived at by the group established by the Government to investigate several
aspects of the South Coast railway service. As a result of New South Wales gaining
no new coal port or new coal loader during the time that the Government has been
in office, the State has lost the opportunity to obtain contracts for the export of 15
million tonnes of coal a year.
                                         Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982      1867

        I refer next to the railway system. Seldom is the railways deficit referred to
in the Budget. Apparently many of the items that once made up the deficit appear in a
different place in the Budget. Some critics of the Government have said that the
railways deficit should stand at about $700 million. They assert that if one includes
the rolling stock that the Government sold off and then leased back, the deficit would
have reached that figure. One would not criticize the Government if that rolling stock
were sold off to the advantage of the people of New South Wales. Notwithstanding
the Government's action with the rolling stock and its increasing freight and other
charges, the State Rail Authority dips constantly into the Government's coffers. In
1981-82 the State's railways and various public transport services incurred a deficit
of $442 million, which was a 34 per cent increase on the previous year's deficit, not-
withstanding the hidden factors to which I referred. Honourable members will well
remember the Premier saying in his first term of office, "If I do not remove the
deficit on the railway system I will have regarded myself as failing as Premier."
       Mr Caterson: We know he is a failure.
       Mr Mulock: It is the honourable member for Hornsby who is a failure.
       Mr PICKARD: Government supporters laugh again. All we get across the table
of the House is laughter and jeering.
       Mr Mulock: You are good at telling lies.
       Mr DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order! Has the honourable member for Hornsby con-
       Mr PICKARD: No I have not concluded. I was called a liar.
       Mr Mulock: I did not call you that.
       Mr PICKARD: You said that I deal in lies.
       Mr Mulock: I did not say that.
        Mr DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order! My attention was momentarily distracted
during the debate and I did not hear what the honourable member for Hornsby said, or
what was said by way of interjection. In those circumstances I cannot ask for some-
thing to be withdrawn when an honourable member denies making the statement to
which exception is taken.
         Mr PICKARD: During debate in this House-and this applied particularly last
night-some honourable members denigrated the character of other honourable mem-
bers instead of speaking to the motion. I wish to speak about the amount of money
the Urban Transit Authority would require to maintain present services. This year it
would need approximately $20 million to continue present services and, to allow for a
deficit of the size I mentioned, it would require a similar amount in the ensuing year.
I appreciate the efforts of the Minister for Transport in doing what he has done through-
out the State and in my electorate with the limited funds at his disposal. I refer first
to the Wahroonga parking area, which is no longer in my electorate, having been
moved out of it in the electoral redistribution. That parkir~y area provides a good
service to people travelling from Normanhurst and wishing to park their vehicles. I
mention also provision for parking made at Berowra and at Normanhurst. Bearing in
mind the limited finance available to the Minister, these parking areas have provided a
good facility for my electorate. It has been appreciated. However, my constituents have
waited in vain for the commencement of other projects for which the Minister is not
directly responsible; the decision rests with his department. I refer to the development
over Hornsby railway station.
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        About three years ago some work was carried out at Liverpool. This was a
marvellous idea and I do not contend that other electorates should not get services
that I want for my electorate. I ask that the services that were promised for various
parts of Hornsby, in particular, Hornsby railway station, be provided. At Hornsby three
rail systems come together, causing Hornsby railway station to be one of the busiest
outside the heart of the city. Yet the services provided there except for a coat of paint,
are still as they were in the time of Queen Victoria. All governments have neglected
the station. On behalf of the people of Hornsby I ask the Minister to implement the
improvement programme that he announced four years ago for the railway station.
Work was commenced but suddenly came to a stop two years ago. Perhaps because
of budgetary constraints the money had to be diverted elsewhere. Honourable members
should be told what work they can expect to be carried out in their electorates.

        I invite attention in particular to Hornsby hospital which in 1975-76 was given
permission to build, with its own money, a new casualty and emergency centre to cost
$2 million. Since that time, in successive budgets, various sums of money have been
promised. Even in the present Budget, Hornsby hospital is mentioned, as it has been
in every Budget since 1976, but still the hospital has not been allowed to spend its own
money to carry out this essential work. More than 50 000 people use the existing casualty
centre, which is the only emergency casualty centre between Gosford and North Sydney.
The hospital has a fine record. It is willing to provide $1 million or $2 million for an
emergency centre if the Government will give its approval. At present patients are
being squeezed into antiquated buildings that the hospital wanted to replace eight years
ago but has not been allowed to do so. On some days there is standing room only for
people who are waiting for treatment at the casualty emergency centre, yet the Govern-
ment will not allow the hospital to spend its own money to build at least the first stage
of a new casualty and emergency centre.

        Mr DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member has exhausted his

         Mr R. J. CLOUGH (Bathurst) 14.351: During the half hour that the honour-
able member for Hornsby addressed the House it emerged clearly that he knows
little about the coalmining industry. He is a city based member of Parliament who
knows little about mining and the movement of coal. The honourable member for
Northcott proposed the introduction of a State income tax. His Liberal Party and
National Party colleagues support him actively in promoting the introduction of a
State income tax. Such a tax is not designed to help the people of New South Wales
so much as to relieve the financial strain on the federal Government. The federal
Government is so denuded of funds by chronic mismanagement that it is unable to
balance its budget. Yet it is willing to buy itself out of electoral disfavour by intro-
ducing a budget that is designed to win votes for the time being before a minibudget
is introduced, if the federal Government is fortunate enough to win office again at
the next federal elections.

        It is important to the federal Government that a State take the initiative in
introducing a State income tax. If the Prime Minister can compel New South Wales
into an economic situation in which it is necessary to impose a second income tax,
the other Liberal Party-Country Party States throughout Australia will fall into line
like railway carriages behind a locomotive. If ever the people of Australia are sick
of a government, they are sick of the apology for managerial personnel in Canberra.
A State income tax is dearly sought by the Fraser Government, despite record
income from taxation and all of the schemes that are designed to shift the burden
                                         Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982       1869

from the people most able to pay to those who normally carry the country on their
backs. The honourable member for Hornsby pretended to claim some knowledge
of the mining industry. The people who will be most affected by this type of taxation
are the workingmen and workingwomen of Australia. In particular it would affect
men working in the mines in Lithgow in my electorate.

         One of the undertakings that the Premier gave prior to 1976 to the miners
of Lithgow was that there would be no second income tax. He said, "I won't have
a bar of this type of taxation in New South Wales." The fallacy that a second
income tax will get this State out of financial difficulty must be exposed. Such a
scheme would not get New South Wales out of any difficulty but it would get the
federal Government out of trouble. The federal Government would then be able
to reduce further the funds allocated to New South Wales. A State income tax
would not mean an extra cent being paid by the federal Government to this State.
i t would not result in a reduction in taxation payable by New South Wales residents,
for the Fraser regime is strapped for funds. It has no money. The honourable member
for Hornsby talked about the possible deficit in the New South Wales Budget. I
wonder what sort of a mess the federal Government will be in after twelve months.
Already the federal Parliament is debating the possible understatement of the federal
deficit for the coming year.

        The Fraser Government is moving towards its ultimate goal. That it has a
goal, there can be no doubt. Its goal is to keep this country economically depressed,
and it does not have far to go to reach that goal. With school leavers coming into
the potential work force in a few weeks' time, job opportunities will be reduced
even further. That is the deliberate intention of the federal Government. Its aim
is to follow the American philosophy of driving the unions and workingmen and
women into the ground by denying work. People can be driven into the ground by
denying them the work to which they are justly entitled. The end result is that worker
will be against worker, vying for the few jobs that remain. That trend is already apparent
in Australia today.

       Some Australians are voluntarily taking reductions in salary and working four
days a week instead of five in order to keep their jobs. That worries me. Unscrupulous
employers will work employees as hard as they can in four days in order to get
five days' work from them, even though paying them for four days' work. Once
that practice starts, it will snowball and the problem will never be solved. The
problem that faces us is not concerned with the provision of government funds to
provide jobs but, rather, how big profits should be. Instead of using some form of
job creating scheme, as for example the institution of a national housing programme,
the federal Government is persisting with its endeavour to bring the workingman to
his knees.

        A national housing programme would involve the white goods industry in
producing items such as washing machines, stoves, refrigerators and freezers. More
than that, a national housing industry would require bricks, cement and timber. The
need for electrical wiring, plumbing and manual labour would be increased con-
siderably. The housing industry is a most labour-intensive industry. It brings t o it
many other people. It uses enormous quantities of steel and that, in itself, might
help Broken Hill Proprietary Company Limited in its present economic disaster,
The company that is supposed to be producing Australian steel uses such antiquated
methods that it cannot compete on the open market. The consequence is that the
workers of Newcastle and Wollongong have been affected disastrously and many are
becoming unemployed.
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       We have had enough of this nonsense of a second income tax. There is
nothing in it for New South Wales. Who in Australia, in view of the track record
of the Prime Minister, would trust him to honour any commitment at all? Who, in
Australia, faced with the bitterness and hate that is still being engendered by that
man, could expect him to allocate a fair share of federal taxation revenue to the
New South Wales Government?
       Mr Jones: No one.
        Mr R. J. CLOUGH: That is so. No person in his right mind would trust that
man. Having got rid of that fallacy I shall turn the attention of the House from the
federally inspired solution of a second income tax to solve the State's problems and
address myself now to the issue of public transport. The other evening the honourable
member for Davidscm did nothing but criticize the State Rail Authority. Members
of the other side of the House have formed a lobby for the road transport industry.
They work on the basis that what is good for the General is g o d for Australia. That
statement used to apply in the United States of America where, at one time, it was
said that what was good for General Motors was good for America. That philoaophy
is being imposed on the people of Australia today. The public transport system of the
United States of America was purchased by General Motors and then closed down,
with the result that motor vehicles must do the job that was once done by public
transport. It does not behove the honourable member for Davidson to come into this
House pleading the cause of the General and his counterparts in Australia and knocking
the best public transport system to be found in this nation.
        When one looks at all the public transport systems in Australia it is seen
easily that none of t h m comes within cooee of the New South Wales State Rail
Authority. I invite honourable members opposite to have a look at some of the
public transport of the other States and the sort of rolling stock they have. In Western
Australia they will see 15-tonne wooden coal waggons that are older than I am, and
I shall be fifty-five years old next Friday. The difference between me and those
waggons is that they are not in my good condition. I am a good deal better.
       Mr West: That is questionable.
       Mr R. J. CLOUGH: The honourable member for Orange says that that is
questionable, but let me hasten to assure him that there is no question about it at all.
The locomotives of Western Australia and Queensland are provided by the people who
operate the coalmines, not by government. The infrastructure costs in those two
States are met largely by the people who use them. We hear much about the other
States but members opposite do not go to see what is actually happening there.
       The honourable member for Upper Hunter claimed that although we have coal
available for export we need more trucks to get it to the seaboard. The other night
he said quite seriously that we do not have enough rolling stock to carry our coal to
the ports. What utter rubbish. The State Rail Authority can handle all coal shipments
in New South Wales and has proved that time and time again. Imagine what a mess
the coal industry would be in New South Wales if we were still operating under a
Liberal Pairty-Counitry Pasty government. A few moments ago the honourable
member for Homsby said we should go ahead and build the Botany Bay coal loader,
but that would mean we should haul all our trains through the main suburban areas of
Sydney into a coal loader located right in the heart of the city. No one in his right
mind would want a coal loader bbut in his area. I would not want one either.
Recognizing the fact that it is not practical to build one there, the New South Wales
Government is building other coal loading facilities that will certainly permit coal from
all over New South Wales to be shipped.
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        The former coalition Government left this Government with a permanent way
that was incapable of carrying its proper load. There were no locomotives capable of
pulling the coal trains and no rolling stock to convey it to the loaders. After eleven years
of neglect we have come a long way. The Government has rescued the coal industry
from its predecessors in office. As one who represents a coalmining electorate, I can
vouch for the truth of that statement. In the old days there was no way that coal
would have been abIe to come down the Blue Mountains with rail facilities as they
were under the previous State Government, especially with the state of the track. The
coal waggons had the wrong bogies underneath. The Minister for Industrial Relations
and Minister for Technology is aware of the mistakes that were made by the previous
Government in relation to rolling stock. All of it had to modified later.

        Having dealt with some of the points that have been raised in this debate by the
Opposition, 1 should like to address myself to the Budget. The Treasurer is to be
congratulated on his first budget, the seventh in the history of the Wran Government.
As I listened to the Treasurer detail the Government's plans for 1982-83 in the State
of New South Wales, I waited for the crunch that had to come to a government treated
so unfairly by the federal Government. No one believes that State governments, where
Labor is in power, will ever get a fair go from the Prime Minister. But there was no
crunch at all in the State Budget. It was a Budget of hope, framed in most dificult

        Next I address myself to specific issues in the Budget. In addition to a capital
works programme of $3,477 million, over $15 million was set aside in the Budget
for special employment initiatives. By how much could that be increased if the federal
Government were to work to provide employment instead of simply spending about
 $2,000 million a year on unemployment relief to provide young and old Australians
with only the very basic necessities of life. The allocation of $10 million to the special
council employment scheme to partly fund approved labour intensive works of lasting
value should be compared with the sum of $5 million provided in 1981-82. Last year
that sum meant 100 councils could employ almost 1 600 men and women for up to
ten weeks. Perhaps that was not much, but it was better than having those people draw
the dole. It was much better for them to have that work than to face the soul-destroying
search for jobs that were not there. It was better for them to have that than to get
knockback after knockback, when twenty-one out of every twenty-two people seeking
jobs remain unemployed. This year that sum of $5 million is doubled to $10 million.

          Payroll tax concessions are to be granted to employers of young people in their
 first full-time job. The Treasurer will allocate $12 million for this purpose, and more
 if it is needed. There are young people in my electorate who are turning twenty-one and
 have never had a job. Many have had their spirit broken, although most have not.
Sometimes I wonder how I would react if I were in that situation, whether my spirit
 would be broken. It is for that reason that the allocation of $600,000 for youth work
 co-operatives is to be commended. The State Government youth training programme
 has already trained some 6 000 people since the scheme began operating. An addi-
 tional 2 000 will benefit from the $8.3 million available this year. The amount is nearly
doubled. Again the Teasurer has taken positive steps to help the young. Group
apprenticeship schemes, payroll tax and workers' compensation refunds for addi-
tional apprentices all help the young, and funds have been increased for these also.

        The Government has provided assistance in the western suburbs of Sydney,
where assistance is most needed by young people attempting to obtain employment.
I applaud the initiatives taken by the Treasurer in this regard. Apprentices who lose
their jobs will be helped. The provision of special trade courses, concessions for
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workers' compensation payments and the creation of an additional 100 apprenticeship
positions in government organizations to assist displaced third and fourth year appren-
tices to complete their training will cost the Government of New South Wales $2.7
million this financial year; that is money well spent on the tradesmen and artisans of

        I turn now to services for people in trouble. Many people are in trouble;
there can be no doubt about that. Doubtless every honourable member has people
coming to him with grave problems. The workload of all honourable members has
increased enormously because of the national economic downturn. People do not
have housing, they have insuficient food, they cannot pay their electricity or gas
bills or look after their children. They are making their way to the doors of honour-
able members' rooms to seek assistance. From the point of view of employment the
economic downturn and the policies of the federal Government have placed Aus-
tralians in a position worse than for many years. Depending upon how one looks
at it, it bears favourable or unfavourable comparison with the Great Depression.
Though the community has not seen the soup kitchens encountered by my parents
in the 1930's, every day agencies such as the Salvation Army and St Vincent's de
Paul Society are stretching their meagre facilities to provide for an increasingly large
sector of the community.

        In my electorate I am continually seeking to assist with human problems.
Those problems include those of the sick husband who could not afford to buy
essential medicines, families who find payment of their electricity and heating bills
beyond them and families for whom meat has disappeared from the dinner table.
If anybody should doubt the validity of these statements, I can offer as proof chapter
and verse of cases where hungry people have walked into my office. The case that
comes immediately to mind is that of a wife who was caring for a sick husband.
I feel sure that she was suffering from malnutrition. So far as that family was con-
cerned, the end of line had been reached. In my electorate there are many families
who are in that position due to the grand architect of Australia's economy, Prime
Minister Fraser. There are people who need a house in which to live but have
Buckley's chance of obtaining it in the present situation. That has led me to inves-
tigate the possibility of a scheme in Bathurst where low interest funds may be made
available by public subscription. The success of that scheme will depend upon whether
the more fortunate members of the community are willing to make some sacrifice
to help their less fortunate neighbours. I am pessimistic about the scheme being
successful, for I think that Australians of today have lost some of the spirit that
bound them together through bad times such as the Great Depression.

        Though the federal Government has responsibility for social welfare it has
failed to match the demand for help; again I mean just plain help to the community
staggering through this depression. The Commonwealth Government has gradually
withdrawn from most of the fields of welfare. The Government of New South Wales
does not have the financial resources to fill the vacuum caused by the withdrawal
of the federal Government. But by this year's Budget the Government of New South
Wales is putting its money where its mouth is. Net allocations to the Minister for
Youth and Community Services have increased by 21 per cent from $100 million
to $121 million. The Government will increase payments to foster parents and pocket
money to State wards. I recall the comments of the Minister when he was speaking
in this debate last night. I applaud the concept initiated by his predecessor, who is
now Minister for Corrective Services, that State wards should have increased pocket
money. Also, the Minister's department will plan for and provide several new long
day care centres for children of mothers fortunate enough to be working.
      Mr R. J . Clough]
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         The Government will increase subsidies for pre-schools, with the base rate
 increased by 7 per cent. I recall the good old days when the Whitlam Government
contributed 90 per cent of the capital cost and 75 per cent of the recurrent costs for
pre-school education. Prime Minister Fraser has not funded a pre-school in a Labor
electorate for years. Instead of contributing 75 per cent of recurrent costs, the
Commonwealth Governmenl: has gradually withdrawn its support to the extent that
only a minor proportion of the running costs are provided by the Commonwealth in
the important area of pre-school education. The Whitlam Government had the courage
to contribute 90 per cent of the recurrent costs. The Fraser Government has with-
drawn and is providing much less than 50 per cent. Women's refuges are to get extra
help, and God knows they need it. Women usually bear the brunt of a husband's
frustrations brought about by his failure to obtain employment, by worrying about
how to make ends meet, and many wives resort to searching for somewhere to sleep
and to take the children, often after receiving a beating. The Government will provide
emergency assistance to people who have not the means to feed their families. All
honourable members know that that happens in some families. When I began my
speech in this debate I said that it does happen, and it is happening increasingly in
our society. Increases in home help services and other adjustments to welfare expendi-
ture deserve the highest praise.
        Aborigines will receive help. As one who has lived with Aborigines in another
less enlightened State I can say that at least New South Wales is recognizing the grave
injustices perpetrated upon Aborigines and is doing something about it. Aborigines
suffer by comparison with white persons, particularly in the areas of housing, health,
education, welfare and culture. I have seen instances of their treatment in other
Sates that would be of interest to members of this Parliament. I was fortunate enough
to be a member of the Select Committee upon Aborigines under the chairmanship of
the honourable member for Woronora. I recall vividly attending Dubbo one morning
for a hearing. The honourable member for Woronora will recall that when we arrived
in Dubbo on that morning a white frost covered the ground. During the taking of
evidence on that morning there were two men present in the hall who had spent the
night sleeping under the trees on the riverbank. It was a bitterly cold morning and
there was no accommodation available for them. They had nowhere to go. I believe
that, black or white, Australians are all human beings and nowhere in Australia should
this be necessary. Australia is the lucky country-or     should be-and    should be a
country of plenty. That experience will remain in my mind forever.
        Opposition speakers have referred to increased electricity costs. There is a
power generation plant located in my electorate and I should like to make some
comments in that regard. New South Wales is still amongst the cheapest power
producing States in Australia and stands in front of some of the so-called financial
wizards in the service it provides. All honourable members will recall what was
happening during the last winter. The prophets of doom on the Opposition benches
freely tipped blackouts. They said that New South Wales would stagger through a
winter full of blackouts. They said that we would be doomed. But, what happened
during the winter? There were no blackouts. The Opposition did all it could to
ferment industrial unrest in the power generation industry to try to bring New South
Wales to its knees. Though it worked in some areas, it did not work in my electorate.
The men and women who operate the power generation plant at Wallerawang power
station came up trumps in keeping the lights burning in New South Wales and support-
ing the Wran Government. The thanks of the appropriate Minister have been con-
veyed personally to those employees. New South Wales was plagued by industrial
stoppages plainly designed to cause blackouts. Though there were 12 000 megawatts
available from power generation only two-thirds of that capacity could be supplied
for most of the winter.
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         Instead of knocking the State of New South Wales, Opposition members should
rise and take their hats off to the Minister for Energy. The Minister got power genera-
tors going everywhere in New South Wales. He encouraged industry to produce power
and quickly got fuel-fired small generators into operation, kept the old power stations
going and opened up some that had been shut down years ago. True it is that New
South Wales staggered through the winter, but the attempts of the Opposition to
plunge New South Wales into darkness were defeated. But that was not done easily
and it was done at cost. As against that, all honourable members know the answer
they would receive if they asked constituents of my electorate whether they would
prefer to have the lights and heaters operating during one of the worst winters in
        It was a costly process; there is no doubt about that. Though 2 000 megawatts
of power should have been produced at Liddell at the cost of approximately $12 a
tonne of coal, insufficient power was produced there to keep the lights burning. The
Government had to pay up to $63 a tonne for the coal used in its power generation
plants. I do not believe that this Government has cause to apologize about electricity
generation in New South Wales. The Government has proved that with good manage-
ment, quick action and co-operation of the workers in the industry it could, and did,
get through. From this point it is all downhill.

        No doubt next year the Opposition will ferment further trouble. It wants control
at any cost. The latest poll indicates that the Opposition will wait a long while to
attain power because the Wran Government has the confidence of the people. Those
people who tend to stray away from the Labor Party tend to look at the Opposition
and turn back. They ask what is the alternative. They would be justified in that
attitude merely by sitting in this House day after day and observing the Opposition
benches. At the moment there are but two members of the Opposition in the Chamber
listening to this debate, and they are both from the National Party. Those people
concede that the Wran Government is pushing New South Wales and not knocking it.

        I turn now to drought relief. A few nights ago I saw an interview on the local
television channel with an executive officer of the National Party who unashamedly
said, among other things, that his party supported the mining industry. This could be
so, but it certainly does not support the miners who win the coal in my electorate,
or the power workers. Recently in this House honourable members heard a long
diatribe by the honourable member for Upper Hunter complaining about the high
wages being paid to miners and power workers. The people of Lithgow know all about
that-I   saw to it. Honourable members might well ask what this has t o do with
drought relief. It points up that the National Party represents mainly the mining
interests and does little for the people who live in the country. The National Party
does not represent the small farmer. The National Party has kicked the inside out of
him through its approach t o drought relief measures. A farmer has to be nearly broke
before the federal Government will come to the party. The Leader of the federal
National Party decided ultimately that New South Wales would have to double its
drought relief contribution, bringing it to $10 million, before a cent of Common-
wealth money was made available to the natural disaster relief scheme and the Com-
monwealth Government endorsed that proposal.
       Small farmers going to the wall are forgotten in the hasteful spite of the federal
Government to treat New South Wales differently to the other Australian States.
The crime of New South Wales is that it has a Labor Government. This takes me
back to a speech made by the former Governor-General, Sir Zelman Cowan, at the
National Press Club in Canberra shortly prior to his retirement, which I was fortunate
enough to hear on the radio that day. Sir Zelman is referred to as the peacemaker
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because he took over from Sir John Kerr. He was put there -k, draw Australians
together after the bitterness and hatred of November 1975. Good man that he is,
he failed. The Prime Minister's bitterness is just as paranoid today as it was then.
The Prime Minister's behaviour towards New South Wales is spiteful and his approach
to this State even on drought relief continues to be spiteful.
        How will this State's drought relief assistance help the farmer who has endured
nearly four years of drought? The form of assistance given to a farmer makes no
difference. A loan in the third or fourth year of drought is still a loan. The farmer
probably still has the burden of repaying the loans that he obtained in the first and
second years of the drought. Those loans have to be repaid. Each year New South
Wales is expected to contribute the first $10 million in relief. The federal Govern-
ment has the capacity to do something about this and it should say, "All right, for
the first year we will arrange loans for farmers. We are even willing to fund them
for the second year. If the drought goes into the third year and they require loans,
we will write off the first year's loan and make a maximum of two years' loans available
to them on the basis of it being a natural disaster." Members of the Opposition have
not suggested anything along those lines so that the farmer may be relieved of the
continuing debt that he will incur.
       Mr Singleton: This Government is always crying poor mouth.
      Mr R. J. CLOUGH: The honourable member for Coffs Harbour is muttering
something. [Quorum formed.]
        Motion (by Mr Wade) agreed to:
            That the honourable member for Bathurst, Mr R. J. Clough, be
     allowed to continue his speech for a further period of fifteen minutes.
        Mr R. J. CLOUGH: It is clear that no Opposition member, particularly those
who claim to represent country electorates and the interests of country people,- wishes
to hear the true facts about drought relief when the federal Government is involved.
There is only one honest man on the Opposition benches in this House who repre-
sents the interests of country people. I refer to the honourable member for Lismore,
who has the courage of his convictions. He is the only Opposition member who is game
to stand up and be counted. The honourable member for Lismore is held in the highest
regard by Government supporters. Though members on this side of the House might
disagree with him regularly, they acknowledge that he is a man of courage, which is
more than can be said for the members of the National Party. In this the third year
of drought a farmer is nearly gone. Why cannot he obtain a grant from the federal
Government? Why should he be forced to take up low interest loans? Why should he
incur debts of, say, $120,000 before he is forced out of business? One day honourable
members may see members of the National Party adopt a positive approach towards
assisting farmers.
       Mr Singleton: The honourable member for Bathurst is starting again at the
beginning of his speech and is repeating his remarks.
       Mr R. 3. CLOUGH: When I was elected to his House I could not understand
why the honourable member for Coffs Harbour was nicknamed Hurricane. I thought,
he must be a top operator; a member who gives of his best in the Parliament, a man
I should fear. However, sometime later, after I had heard him making speeches in the
House, I was told, and I cannot now recall who informed me, that the honourable
member for Coffs Harbour was known as Hurricane because it was short for hurricane
lamp-not very bright. I agree with that assessment.
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        I shall return now to the assistance granted to farmers. If a farmer is worthy
of being granted a loan of $40,000 in the first year of a drought and he receives
another $40,000 the next year, surely he qualifies for a grant from the federal Govern-
ment. The New South Wales Government has raised carry-on loans at a State level.
That is the best that New South Wales can do. A loan of $60,000 at 4 per cent interest
is of immeasurable assistance to a farmer whose holding is devastated by continuing
drought conditions. The State's generous subsidy schemes and water cartage sub-
sidies are of untold assistance to farmers. In recent years 45 per cent of all assistance
made available has come from the State's own resources. It is a national disgrace
that the State should have to meet the costs of a natural disaster. This year $30 million
will be spent on assisting farmers. Millions of dollars in freight charges will be lost as
a result of the inevitable failure of the wheat harvest. The federal Government, which
is broke, has not contributed a cent. The Government in Canberra has been ripped off
by its own supporters through the perpetration of tax avoidance schemes. This has
grossly hurt small farmers as well as working men and women in country towns.
         Allocations totalling $263 million will go to rural services other than those
related to the drought, including the Soil Conservation Service, State Fisheries, the
Water Resources Commission, the Forestry Commission, Glennies Creek Dam in the
Hunter Valley and the Windamere Dam to the north of my electorate. Australians have
the capabilities to enable them to weather the storm. However, they will find it most
difficult to do so under the administration of the federal Government which is in
disarray, bitterly split by illicit taxation schemes. The Commonwealth Government on
its record, deserves to be thrown out of office. In fact, Australia's future depends upon
that happening. The New South Wales Budget demonstrates the type of management
that is available under a Labor Government. I commend the Budget.
        Mr 'WEST (Orange) [5.10]: The honourable member for Bathurst expressed
so-called concern for the primary producers of New South Wales who are suffering
from the effects of the drought. If the honourable member had genuine concern he
would not resort to the type of political bashing in which he indulged. It is unbecoming
for members d Parliament to stoop to such levels. In this debate all Government
supporters who have spoken, including Ministers, have incessantly whinged a b u t the
federal Government's policies and said that New South Wales has not been given
emugh funds by the Commonwealth. It is time the Government began to accept its
constitutional responsibility for the affairs of New Scruth Wales. It must operate within
the framework d its budgetary constraints and adopt sound fiscal policies.
        I was amused to hear the honourable member for Bathurst say that the State
Government had nothing for which it needed to apologize in regard to electricity
generation. I believe there is much for which it should apologize. The cost of
electricity to consumers in New South Wales has increased to the stage where many
people especially those in country areas and those with families are tremendously
disadvantaged. The burden upon them is intolerable. The price freeze on tariffs that
has been introduced is a short-term measure. It will not have any lasting bendcia1
effect for people who live in country districts.
        I n many ways the State Budget has become an insignificant part of the Govern-
ment's overall fiscal programme. Though the Budget Papers set out clearly and in
considerable detail expenditure in the various aspects of the Government's administra-
ticm, the revenue raising measures are not clearly included as part of the Budgd.
It has become the practice of the Government to introduce, in mall doses and
progressively, the bad news taxes. Thus the Budget has become very much a one sided
document. Naturally that practice has considerably improved public acceptance of
the Budget. I should add that I regard this as a most deceitful way y f presenting
the fiscal policies of the Government.
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       The practice to which I have referred leads me to question also the soundness
of the Government's financial management. Many new revenue raising taxes which
have been introduced at different times of the year, invariably just before the Budget
was brought down, have increased the revenue raising capacity of the State. That
practice should n d be encouraged but should be used only as a device in exceptional
circumstances. The bad news taxes that have been introduced outside the Budget
include the new fuel tax, which was imposed less than twelve months after the Premier
and Minister for Mineral Resources assured the people of New South Wales that no
such tax would be introduced. The people d New South Wales will not forget that
broken promise.

        Other increases imposed by this Government include hospital fees, public
 transport freights and fares and electricity costs. In respect of a l of these rises
the Government claims that it has no apology to make whatever. The original payroll
tax surcharge which was to be only a temporary measure has become a permanent
tax-a   tax on work whereby people are being deprived of jobs as industry and
employers have been penalized and can no longer afford to employ people. The
Treasurer has not achieved what he claims to be sound financial management. The
State is in a mess.

        In this debate I shall address my remarks primarily to two most important
aspects. The first is education; the second is youth and community services. The
Budget shows the people of New South Wales finally that the Government no longer
regards expenditure on education as being of top priority. That is so specifically in
regard to improving the overall quality of education. I believe that principle to be
correct, in spite d the claim by the Minister for Education that the appropriations
for the Department of Education and the Department of Technical and Further
Education comprise 36 per cent of the total budget expenditure. It is correct to say
also that the Government's overall level of spending on education has increased.
However, in real terms the increases have not kept pace and the decline in the standard
of the State's education system has been considerable.

        The Government has failed to fulfil its commitment to provide relief from
face-to-face teaching for primary school teachers. In last year's Budget and in the
1978 election campaign the Government regarded the provision of that relief as a
matter of high priority and promised that it would be implemented during this
financial year. So much for the Government's so-called high priority promise. That
is another promise that has proved to be worthless. In last year's Budget the Govern-
ment accepted the principle that all technical trade teachers beyond their third year
of service should have a maximum teaching load of eighteen hours a week. All
honourable members will acknowledge that the duties of teachers in the trade cate-
gories are as demanding as those of teachers in certificate and general studies areas.
E common with most teachers, I regard the Government's failure as discriminatory.
The Government has a responsibility to put an end to that inequality of treatment
as a matter of extreme urgency. The unjustifiable discrimination that has affected
approximately 25 per cent of TAFE teachers has been the cause of a most bitter
and protracted industrial dispute. The Government can put an end to the dispute
promptly by announcing the implementation of the 18:12 principle by the beginning
of the 1983 TAFE year.

       I shall deal now with some of the many areas of the State's education system
in which the Government has failed. It has not provided sufficient TAFE teachers
to meet the expected increase in technical college enrolments next year. The Budget
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spells out that an additional 370 teachers will be employed in the TAFE system.
Considering that approximately 340 000 students are enrolled in TAFE courses and
that next year enrolments are expected to increase to 370 000, the proposed increase
in the number of teachers will not be adequate.

       The Government has not made provision for additional primary positions to
qualify for regional primary supplements. It has failed to implement the urgently
needed restructuring and reclassification of primary schools. That is an urgent
requirement throughout the State and especially in respect of primary schools, follow-
ing declining enrolments in the system. It is most evident in country areas that
teachers are being denied normal promotional opportunities and that primary school
students are being denied access to a standard of education equal to that which was
available under the administration of the former coalition Government.

        Though the Government claims it is concerned about disadvantaged people,
it has failed to increase adequately the number of teaching positions in special educa-
tion. It has failed also to provide additional school counsellors. The Government
claims that the ratio of school counsellors to children is 1:800. I assure honourable
members that that is not the ratio in country areas. Not long ago the honourable
member for Lachlan pointed out that in Forbes there is only one school counsellor
to serve more than 2 000 students. The people of New South Wales are entitled to
expect something better than that. A special programme should be implemented
urgently to improve that ratio to 2:800 in rural areas. This highlights the bias that
the Government has against country electorates in most of its policies, but in particular
in its education policy.

        The Government has allowed secondary school and technical and further educa-
tion textbook allowances to fall below acceptable levels. The Government introduced
six Budgets before increasing textbook allowances. Still the allowances are inadequate.
It would be more satisfactory if the allowances were indexed, though I appreciate that
that may not be possible. However, the Government has a responsibility to adjust
levels in every budget to an acceptable standard.

       The Government has failed to provide adequate numbers of school scholar-
ships and bursaries. The Treasurer explained that the net value of scholarships and
bursaries has been increased by approximately 10 per cent and that more bursaries
will be available, but every day members of my party, and doubtless members who
are Government supporters, have a stream of parents coming to their ofices com-
plaining that they are not receiving sufficient financial assistance for the education
of their children. Our system of education is supposed to be free, yet many parents
cannot afford to meet the costs imposed by the system. Bursaries and scholarships
are awarded to assist students and families in need of financial help, but there are
two few scholarships and bursaries to help all who are in desperate need.

       The Budget will provide insufficient funds to maintain a safe school bus pro-
gramme. The method of funding school buses has been revised. Again I refer to
how the system affects country children. The school bus programme was introduced
by the former Liberal Party-Country Party Government as a means of providing
the opportunity for equal education so that country students would not be disadvan-
taged. Its purpose was to allow children to get to school and obtain a reasonable
education. The scheme has been expanded considerably since it was first introduced.
Soon school bus operators will not be making enough money to maintain their buses
in safe condition. That is a most important matter.
     Mr R. J . Clough]
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        Bus proprietors must pay escalating wages as well as meet increased running
costs and registration fees that have been brought about by the actions of this Govern-
ment. Proprietors are finding it difficult to meet those costs. Consequently, the stan-
dard of the buses used will decline to the point where they become unsafe. Residents
of urban and suburban areas enjoy the service of government trains and buses or
private buses that do not have to run on dirt roads. Few buses in the electorate of
the honourable member for Fairfield are required to travel on dirt roads, but this is an
expensive problem in country areas. Constant running on dirt roads causes a bus to
deteriorate quickly. This Government is not concerned with providing equal education
opportunities for students in country areas.
        The Budget does not make adequate provision for the maintenance of school
buildings. The amount provided this year is a reduction of 3.8 per cent compared
with last yeas. In 1975-76, when the former Government presented its last Budget,
an amount of $18.8 million was allocated for the maintenance of school buildings.
If one applies the cumulative inflationary effects that have occurred between 1975-76
and 1982-83, $34.5 million should have been provided in the Budget for the main-
tenance of school buildings. Instead, a miserly $27.7 million has been allocated. The
amount should have been increased by 30 per cent over last year's allocation, resulting
in an increase of roughly $30 million. Even that amount would not have been
sufficient to upgrade schools. Schools are a State asset, yet they are being allowed to
fall into disrepair.
       The Government has not provided adequately to allow for capital expenditure
on school buildings. The total capital expenditure allocation this year for State schools
is only $120 million, and that amount includes $45 million of Commonwealth funds.
The State's contribution is $75 million. Last year the Government's estimated expen-
diture on capital works for State schools was approximately $108 million, so there is
a decline of about 30 per cent. Last week the Minister for Education attempted to
deny that, but the figures speak for themselves. There has been a decline in spending
by this Government on the maintenance of school buildings and school programmes.
This will result in dropping the standard of country schools. Already some country
schools are no longer safe. The principals of some schools in my electorate write to
me constantly and to their area officers complaining that tiles are lifting off the floors
and that children are tripping over them. Many schools need urgent maintenance.
Some require reconstruction programmes to effect major repairs where vandals have
caused damage.
        These matters are of concern to everyone. I do not expect the Government to
be able to overcome the problem easily. The Canobolas High School will not be able
to get an assembly hall. The Anson High School for Special Purposes will not be
able to get an additional toilet block or classrooms. The Minister for Education has
agreed to visit that school next month with a view to considering whether at least one
of those projects can proceed this financial year, but at this stage no indication has
been given of which way the decision will go. In view of the education allocations
I do not have any hope. I have mentioned already that this year the total allocation
for State schools is $120 million. The former Liberal Party-Country Party Govern-
ment provided $140 million in the last Budget it presented. If one applies the
inflationary factor since that time the allocation should be $260 million for capital
works on schools. Even that sum would not be sufficient to meet present requirements
of schools.
       An allocation has been made this year of $61.8 million for capital works
expenditure in the technical and further education system. That sum is farcical in view
of the considerable demands for funds that should be met. It is no big deal. It is
praised as being a State allocation but, if one delves a little more deeply, one finds that
$49 million of that sum is Commonwealth money. That means the State allocation is
only $12.8 million for technical and further education, a cut of 6.5 per cent on last
year's allocation of $13.7 million. Industry, and the community generally in this State,
depends upon the technical and further education system to provide students with
up-to-date training on the latest equipment. However, there is a massive backlog
of new buildings and equipment required for technical and further education in New
South Wales. The TAFE administration estimates that to catch up with the backlog
would require the expenditure of more than $650 million. The New South Wales
contribution to capital works expenditure in TAFE has declined from 35 per cent in
1977 to a shameful 23 per cent in 1980-81, and is a smaller percentage this year.
Students in the TAFE system are being educated in unsafe premises and with totally
inadequate facilities. The State Government must make a commitment to overcame this
capital works backlog.
        Through all this Budget debate honourable members on the Government benches
have spoken about the Commonwealth Government's failure to provide New South
Wales with sufficient funds. The old cry is raised that the Commonwealth is not shoulder-
ing its financial responsibility for education. I provide the House with two examples of
where the Commonwealth is actually providing money for capital works. For technical
and further education, of a total of $61.8 million, $49 million has come from the
Commonwealth. Of the total capital works programme of $120 million, $45 million
is provided by the Commonwealth. In 1982-83 New South Wales will receive its most
generous treatment from the Commonwealth since 1975-76. Therefore, I cannot and
will not accept the excuse from supporters of the Government that the Government's
poor performance in education is related to the failure of the Cornmanwealth Govern-
ment to provide sufficient funds.
        I address myself now to the matter of youth and community services. Yesterday
the Minister for Youth and Community Services spoke of the concern expressed by the
Leader of the National Party about the inadequacy of child care services. The Minister
said that when the Leader of the National Party had been in Cabinet during the term
of office of the previous coalition Government, he had not exerted his influence at
that time to improve child care services. That does not remove the blame from the
Labor Government for the present problems. New South Wales has reached an a l       l
time low in its allocations for child care services. The present allocation falls well
below that of any other State in the Commonwealth, for there has been a reduction
of 12 per cent in funds provided in the Budget for child care services.
        A substantial injection of funds should be made by the Government in children's
services. It is appalling that the Government should have ignored the vital need to
improve such facilities. Over the past two years the Government has underspent its
allocation for these services by almost $4 million and thus has contributed to the
lack of adequate day care facilities in New South Wales. Country areas are particularly
disadvantaged by the lack of State assistance, although they have a high proportion of
working mothers. I instance a couple of examples. In the New England area, where
30.5 per cent of children under 4 years of age have working mothers, there are 2 676
children for every full day care place available. In North Sydney, where the proportion
is 29.96 per cent of working mothers with pre-school children, there is one day care
place for every fifty children and one pre-school place for every four children. That
emphasizes the anti-country bias of this Government. It is becoming financially intoler-
able for working mothers in country areas in New South Wales to be able to continue
to keep their children in pre-school.
       The New South Wales Government allocated $14.6 million for almost 400 000
pre-school children, compared with Queensland which estimates an expenditure d
almost $30 million for less than half that number of children. It is pointless for the
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New South Wales Government to utter the old catchcry of federal funding cutbacks
in defence of its own shameful record. In this matter of the Government's failure to
provide adequate child care services it is pertinent to recall that both the former and
present Ministers for Youth and Community Services have been heard to say how
well they have catered for our pre-school children. Again I draw the attention of the
House to the problems of pre-schools. In my electorate, and in country areas of my
colleagues, those in charge of pre-schools are coming to us to explain how difficult they
are finding it to make ends meet. The subsidies provided are not adequate to meet
the increased wages and costs of maintaining those pre-schools.
        Pre-school education is a most important and desirable aspect of early childhood
services programmes. The needs of the system are not being satisfied. The Government
must move quickly to adopt a policy I have been advocating for some years. The
salaries of approved staff of pre-schools should be funded 100 per cent, and the schools
and their committees, through the fees charged, should pay for the maintenance and
general running costs of the pre-schools. They would be quite happy to do that for
they would be relieved of the enormous burden of having to pay increasing salaries
for staff of pre-school centres. In his contribution to the Budget debate the Minister
for Youth and Community Services referred to the increased subsidies paid to the
economically disadvantaged children of New South Wales and to handicapped persons.
mhough I do not seek to detract from that policy, the only way equality can b.e
achieved within our pre-school system is to have the Government adopt this 100 per
cent subsidy programme and then battle with the Commonwealth Government to
recover as much money as it can. A 1 too often children in our pre-schools have
suffered because the State cannot reach some agreement with the Commonwealth
Government about the fees that have to be collected.
        The whole Budget reflects its anti-country areas bias. It is apparent in educa-
tion, in youth and community services, in water resources programmes, and in the
soil conservation programme, which affects my electorate particularly, as it does the
electorates of almost every other country representative of this House. The work of the
Soil Conservation Service is first-class. Our soils are probably one of the most important
aspects of primary industry. Although the Minister for Agriculture travels occasionally
to the country and speaks of his interest in the soils of this State, he was not able to
stand up to his colleagues in Cabinet and demand an increase in funds for the Soil
Conservation Service. Instead, he took a cut in funds. Although there were many
applications on the books from people who required the services of the Soil Conserva-
tion Service, a funding cutback was the result. That is a measure of how the Govern-
ment of this State no longer has any interest in that service, and in the needs of
country areas in New South Wales.
       Mrs CROSIO (Fairfield) 15.401: I was pleased to observe that when the honour-
able member for Orange commenced his speech some members of his party came into
the Chamber to give him their support. However, when the honourable member
emphasized points in which he genuinely believed those members of his own party
did not pay him the courtesy of remaining quiet.
       Mr SPEAKER: Order!
       Mrs CROSIO: Though I acknowledge the right of the honourabIe member
for Orange to address the House, I do not necessarily agree with his views. His speech
on the Budget was informed and presented far better than the speech of the honour-
able member for Hornsby. During the time that I have been a member of this Parlia-
ment never have I listened to such tortuous tautological statements as those delivered
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by the honourable member for Hornsby. I congratulate the Treasurer on bringing
down a budget that deals realistically with the maintenance and improvement of
essential services at a time of national economic difficulties brought about by the
continuing ineptitude of the Fraser Government. Of special significance in the Budget
is a n increase from $22.8 million to $50.4 million for special employment initiatives,
particularly the creation of an additional one hundred apprenticeships in government
organizations to assist displaced third and fourth year apprentices, thus enabling those
few at least to complete their training.
        Unemployment in Australia has reached epidemic proportions. The federal
Government's Budget totally ignored the plight of the unemployed. The New South
Wales Treasurer is to be congratulated for increasing the special council employ-
ment scheme allocation from $5 million to $10 million. This allocation will be used
for the relief of unemployment in areas where its incidence is high. Of the budgeted
amount, $3 million is to be allocated to the Sydney metropolitan region, $2 million
is to be distributed to each of the Wollongong and Newcastle regions and $3 million
has been set aside for country areas. Although the westcrn region of Sydney has
one-fifth of the population of New South Wales, the Government has seen fit to
allocate $3 million to country areas. Of the total amount of $10 million that the
Government will contribute in terms of the special council employment scheme,
$2 million has been specifically earnlarked for sport and recreation facilities. The
Government grant of $10 million for the relief of unemployment is to be distributed
generally on the basis of $1-for-$1 contribution by the Government and a council.
The council may utilize funds contributed by community organizations in matching
the Government's grant under the scheme.

        When one examines the Budget further one finds that an additional 2 000 young
people will be assisted in training under the special youth employment training pro-
gramme. I am pleased to see the continuation for a further three years of the youth
work co-operative scheme. The allocation to the western Sydney area employment
assistance scheme has been increased to $837,000. The Budget forn~alizesthe Govern-
ments programme of allocating funds evenly. I do not read the figures in the same
manner as the honourable member for Orange. The education vote has been increased
from $1.7 billion to $1.902 billion. That signifies the Government's concern in that area.
The allocation represents over one-third of the total annual appropriations, which
since 1976 have increased on an average of 20 per cent per annum.

         I am pleased that included in the capital works programme this year will be
the building of a much needed high school at Wetherill Park, which will be called
Prairiewood High School. The Minister for Education informed me that he has
approved the acceptance of a tender for approximately $4.9 million. This School will
comprise twenty-four classrooms, a library resource centre, administration-staff facili-
ties, three art rooms, six science laboratories, industrial arts and home science facilities,
a multipurpose centre and playing fields, and the usual ancillary spaces for the school.
This school, which is in the new release area of my electorate, will be ready for
occupation in 1984. It will provide much needed relief of the present overcrowding
at St Johns Park High School and the other high schools within the electorate. The
multipurpose centre and the extended playing field facilities in this complex have been
made possible through an agreement with the New South Wales Government and the
Fairfield city council. The council in recognizing the facilities needed in the area, has
agreed to expend a n amount of $200,000. An allocation of $100,000 will be used so
that the hall can be extended. It will seat up to 1 300 persons. Council is also willing
to allocate up to $100,000 so that the sport fields can be enlarged and used by the
local community at weekends. When completed the school will clearly demonstrate
how local government and the State Government can combine so that the facilities
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available may be used continually by the local community. I hope that through this
achievement vandalism which has been so rampant in the area over the past twelve
months will not occur at Wetherill Park.

        1 am pleased that the Government continues to give a high priority to appren-
ticeship training at technical and further education levels. The allocation in the Budget
of $258.8 million that has been provided for TAFE is an increase of 16 per cent. The
WetherilI Park technicaI coIIege in my electorate provides a wide range of courses.
When the second stage of this college is completed it will provide courses in heavy
machinery, plant mechanics and fitting. I was pleased when I read recently that the
Budget was accepted as a genuine step to assist home buyers. The New South Wales
President of the Housing Industry Association, Mr J. Read, said:
             We are delighted with this Budget. Not only is it beneficial to home
     buyers, it signifies the State Government is taking notice of the home buyers'
     plight, and taking positive action to provide a series of solutions. We see it
     as a prelude to more good news, for what Premier Neville Wran has achieved,
     is a method of slowing down the inflation spiral which will in itself be
     directly beneficial to the borrower.

The Housing Industry Association welcomes the removal of loan instrument duty from
1st January, 1983. Mr Jim Read in his article went on to say:
             We see this as another indication that the State Government is working
     in the right direction to bring down the mountain of financial problems which
     plague the home building industry generally and the home buyers specifically.

The actions that the Government has taken to assist home buyers through the introduc-
tion of the supplementary housing loan and first mortgage loan schemes have been
positive. The $52.8 million allocated to co-operative housing societies will provide
loans to over 1 500 home buyers. I was particularly pleased last week when I was
informed by the Minister for Housing that $500,000 had been allocated to the Fairfield
Co-operative Housing Society to assist a great number of my constituents who have
been on a waiting list for some considerable time.

        The ever-increasing need for welfare housing continues to grow at an alarming
rate. The Government, by entering into a joint venture with the Rental Bond Board
and the Government Insurance Ofice to build a further 600 homes, will be constructing
this financial year more than 3 200 homes and endeavouring to provide, as soon as
funds permit, accommodation for the needy in our community.

        The $218 million aIlocated to the Housing Commission for this purpose is an
increase of 26 per cent. One cannot help but feel and appreciate the devastation that
many of our constituents experience when they are told that they have to wait between
three to four years for this accommodation. I find it difficult to understand how the
federal Government can justify its miserable allocation of $104 million this year for
welfare housing and at the same time expect the New South Wales Government to
continue to make available additional finance to meet the evc; -increasing shortfall of
funds. Blame for the increasing need for housing has to be attributed to the massive
increase in interest rates. I am sure that all Members of this House can remember
the promise made in 1977 by the Prime Minister to reduce interest rates. Instead of
falling, since that time interest rates have risen another 6 per cent. The Housing
Industry Association has suggested that every 1 per cent increase in interest rates costs
the industry another 9 000 homes. If this is carried to its logical conclusion, then the
6 per cent rise in interest rates over the past five years has virtually excluded 54 000
families from obtaining a home of their own.
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        I appreciate the positive steps being taken by the Minister for Health in
providing a more equitable distribution of health services, particularly to the western
areas of Sydney. I am pleased for the electorates that will share the $60 million
allocated in the health budget for capital works. I am sure that the Minister for
Youth and Community Services, a former Minister for Health, will not mind my
saying that I am a little disappointed that the electorate of Fairfield was not included
in that allocation. Since the formation of the western metropolitan health region in
1973 the facts have been well and truly established that on a per capita basis this
region continues to lag behind all other New South Wales health regions so far as
major public investment in health services is concerned. In December 1975, in an
analysis of a preliminary report on the planning of the hospitals west of Sydney,
the working party reached the unanimous decision that the needs of Fairfield hospital
should receive first priority. Today the Fairfield hospital has 82 general acute beds,
which is 0.66 beds for each 1 0 0 0 persons in the electorate. In 1956 the residents
of Fairfield were assured that their temporary hospital would be rebuilt. I know
that the Minister for Health is taking constructive action about the hospital.
       I am alarmed at the reduction of $180 million in the federal Government's
contribution to health services. Although hospital charges and health fees have been
increased, gross operating expenditure is expected to rise to $1,845 million, which
is an increase of 8.6 per cent on last year and an increase of almost 27 per cent
on the amount allocated in 1980-81. These facts were stated by the Treasurer in
his Budget Speech. I hope that the next budget will have Fairfield listed under the
Government's programme of major new works.

        The revenue supplement of the Urban Transit Authority is expected to be
$94 million compared with $83 million in the previous year. In July 1980 the Urban
Transit Authority was established. Besides operating government-owned buses and
ferries, it is charged with exercising broad policy control over privately operated
public transport in urban and interurban areas. Through the assistance of this
authority the introduction of cross-country buses in the western region was achieved.
Western Sydney, which has a fifth of the State's population, does not have govern-
ment bus services. Until the Labor Government came to office in 1976 the residents
of the area relied on a private transport system that had been essentially unchanged
since 1930. I am pleased that as a result of this year's Budget the western Sydney
public transport information service will be established. The service will be estab-
lished during the year 1982-83 and will provide detailed information on public and
private transport timetables in the region. The Urban Transit Authority has the
power to set the criteria for minimum levels of service for private bus operators and
to contract bus services to private operators.

        The Budget allocation for the capital works programme of the State Rail
Authority is $308 million, which is an increase of $22 million on the previous year.
I hope that part of this allocation will be spent on providing more services through
Fairfield during offpeak hours as many of my constituents travel to work by train.
I am reminded continually of the lack of express services from Fairiield to the city
and return during peak hours. The people of New South Wales will welcome the
21 per cent increase in the allocation for the Department of Youth and Community
Services, representing a total allocation of $12 1 million.
       I am pleased particularly with the $3.1 million increase in the allocation for
the home help service. This service has been in operation for four years in my
electorate and at present is caring for 547 persons. The service is carrying out
excellent work, but due to the large increase in population, the many persons on its
waiting list and in order to keep to its budget allocation, it has had to reduce its
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                                        Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982      1885
hours of service. I commend publicly the staff, assessors and workers for the humane
and excellent work they are performing for the people of Fairfield. I hope that the
service will receive an increase in its allocation this year.
        It is a travesty of justice that since the election of the Fraser Government the
Commonwealth's commitment to children's services has been eroded steadily and
deliberately. Three-quarters of the national expenditure on child care services is
now borne by the States. New South Wales receives only 23 per cent of the Com-
monwealth's block grant for pre-schools notwithstanding that the State has 36 per
cent of Australia's 4-year-old children. There has not been a decrease of 12 per cent
in children's services as asserted by the honourable member for Orange. If the honour-
able member had read further, he would have found that it has been increased
        Since 1975 this Government has increased the children's services fund by almost
 1 500 per cent. The Budget has increased subsidies for pre-school services by 7 per
cent as a base rate and up to 20 per cent for handicapped children. Because of the
young population in my electorate, it has an urgent need for provision of adequate
child care services. Children's services should be regarded as a basic need and not
just another welfare service. All families in need should have access to them. If
the federal Government had its way, honourable members would see a proliferation
of child care centres commercially run just to make a profit. The distribution of
federal funds has been heavily biased. It is in growth areas of low-income earners,
single parents, migrant families and working mothers who are already hard pressed
financially that one finds the greatest need. These areas are lacking sadly in child
care facilities. Although funding of children's services is a federal responsibility,
it is pleasing to know that this Budget has allocated funds for the planning and
construction of several new long day care centres for children of working mothers.
        The Government has taken positive steps to assist the Aborigines of this State
who for too long have suffered through lack of adequate housing, health care, and
education facilities. I am pleased with the allocation of $7 million to the Minister
for Aboriginal Affairs. Aboriginal land rights have been accepted by the Government.
The Government will consider a submission from the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs,
which will lead to AboriginaI land rights legislation being introduced into this Parlia-
ment. I was pleased to read a report in yesterday's Sydney Morning Herald of a
statement by the Minister for Education that Aboriginal heritage and contribution of
Aborigines to Australian history will be compulsory studies in New South Wales
primary schools. I was pleased also to read that the Minister stated:
            Through social studies, primary schoolchildren should be introduced
     to a historical viewpoint which will help them to understand and appreciate
     their multi-cultural society, its origins and their future.
An increase in the allocation for police and emergency services from $288 million
last year to $324 million this year will enable the employment of 200 extra general
duty police, an additional 200 highway patrol officers, and 100 parking patrol police.
My electorate welcomes the news. I am inundated continually with requests for extra
police in the Fairfield electorate. Not only is a further $1 million being allocated
for the western Sydney area assistance scheme, but provisions have been made within
the allocations for the Premier, the Minister for Youth and Community Services and
the Minister for Health to meet the recurrent cost of various projects commenced
in the first three years of this scheme. The availability of recurrent cost has been
one of the problems encountered in the region. Though the scheme has been success-
ful, many participants in projects that have achieved so much success were concerned
because they realized that after two years they would no longer qualify for future
funding and they did not know where to go for help.
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        The 18.2 per cent increase in the allocation to the Department of Main Roads
will provide $706 million to that department. Extensive major construction works will
be undertaken in the western area of Sydney. I hope that future budgets will provide
for the completion of what is known as link road 2071. When constructed, it will
provide greater access for vehicles travelling through the Fairfield electorate in a south-
north direction. The Betts Road reconstruction and widening is listed in the Budget
with an estimated expenditure of $650,000. It is part of the link road extension. I
pay tribute to the Treasurer for the way in which his first budget has been presented
to the Parliament. When one takes into account the difficulties that this State is
experiencing because of the drought and the present state of the national economy,
the Treasurer and his department are to be congratulated on the humane way in
which moneys have been allocated. I commend the bill.

[ M r Speaker left the chair at 6 p.m. T h e House resumed at 7.30 p.m.]

        Mr SMITH (Pittwater) [7.30]: I compliment the Treasurer on the presentation
of the Budget, which is certainly set out better than any budget that I have seen since
I became a member of this House. I do not suggest that the Budget contains all of the
information one would like to have. The Government's intentions are not disclosed
clearly. Undoubtedly the Government is trying to hide quite a lot. It has always
suggested that it is a low tax or no tax government, though the facts prove
otherwise. The Government says that the Budget shows exactly what has happened and
what will happen, but taxpayers in New South Wales will learn that they are being
stung left, right and centre.
        It is interesting to examine government expenditure in the six years that the
Wran Government has been in office. For my purposes I need consider only the years
from 1978-79 until 1981-82 without including the Budget Estimates for the present
year. In that period there has been a 59 per cent increase in government expenditure.
In the same period the consumer price index has increased 30.6 per cent. This year
the Government has budgeted for an 11.4 per cent increase in expenditure. On that
basis this year the Government proposes to spend almost $700 million more than it
spent last yeas.
         Last year estimated expenditure was $5.3 billion and actual expenditure $6.1
billion. There was a 15 per cent overexpenditure on the Estimates. If that demonstrates
the measure of control that the Government has over its expenditure, this year will
be a disaster. If the Government runs 15 per cent over its Estimates this year the
result will be that many public servants will lose their jobs. The Government has emptied
all the hollow logs and will not have sufficient funds to pay public servants, unless
some thundering new charges are proposed. Why has this increase in expenditure
occ~~rred? Clearly the Government has not done anything to curb expenditure. In the past
three years the New South Wales Government has criticized the federal Government,
which has worked flat out to try to improve the nation's economy. The New South
Wales Government has spent money as if it were going out of style. One would think
that unless the State was advancing and expanding at a great rate, government expendi-
ture would have been kept at the rate of cost of living increases.

        Where has the money been spent? Not all the figures are available from the
Budget Estimates. Information supplied by the Australian Bureau of Statistics reveals
that, in March, New South Wales had 35 400 more public servants than it had when
the Wran Government came to office. In the supplementary budget information that
figure is shown as 31 486. I prefer to accept the figures furnished by the Australian
Bureau of Statistics. If one takes a round figure of 35 000, and recognizes that in
addition to paying a person the Government had to meet other costs, overheads, supply
                                          Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982       1887

a shovel, chair, car or whatever was required for his employment, it is conservative to
allow $20.000 as a round cost for keeping each public servant employed. The State must
find an additional $700 million a year to pay the wages of those employees. Perhaps that
is where some of the money has been spent. The Government has not controlled the
increase in the number of State public servants. The federal public service has increased
by only 3.4 per cent. Overall staff levels in the federal public service are lower than
they are in the State public service. The expansion in the public service would be
acceptable if it resulted in a better service or if the profitable enterprises of the State
were expanding at a rate that would enable the Government to support the increase
in staff levels. That has not occurred.

         In the past twelve months the coal industry has experienced enormous problems.
Industrial disputes at the port of Newcastle have led to the loss of 3.5 million tonnes
of coal sales for which contracts had been let. To my knowledge the decisions on coal
loaders have cost New South Wales contracts for 15 million tonnes of coal a year.
At an average selling price of $40 a tonne, that coal would have earned an additional
$750 million in revenue for New South Wales. The loss of those coal sales can be
laid directly at the door of the New South Wales Government. It is all very well to
employ inore public servants and spend money, so long as the funds are available
from the generation of new industries. All public servants and all State politicians
depend for their wages on profitable enterprises. Unless the State makes a profit, how
can it pay wages? The Government might say that it will simply increase charges. It is
already taking massive amounts out of the coal industry. The Government has made it
difficult for people in that industry to make a quid.

        The effects of the Budget are interesting. This year the Government will collect
$454 million more in State taxes than last year. Revenue from land will be $15
million more than last year. Charges for services will increase by $52.5 million. All
of these increases must be paid by the public. General miscellaneous receipts will
decrease by $18 million. Commonwealth payments for specific recurrent purposes
will increase by $28 million. Commonwealth general revenue grants will increase by
$323 million, or 15.8 per cent. Yet the Government still cannot manage. It will spend
$6,796,381,000 if it is able to remain within its budget. The current economic climate
is not suitable for expansion or huge expenditure by the Government unless its aim
is to develop industry and create jobs. Honourable members are aware that the
Government, by its decisions, has held back the coal industry. Aluminium smelters
have been announced with a flourish but have not materialized. The Government
has suggested that the Ford M d o r Company and other major industries would open
plants in New South Wales. That has not happened.

        The Government must keep its charges in check so that industry can operate
profitably, reduce costs and increase sales. It is time that a campaign was launched
to build better things in Australia, to be a better Australia, and to buy Australian.
That should be done Australia-wide. The Budget discourages that because it will
increase prices and industry will become less competitive. People are being encouraged
to buy cheap imports. Some figures listed in the Budget demonstrate the Government's
attitude to revenue raising. I refer in particular to general miscellaneous receipts.
I find it amusing that motor traffic receipts are budgeted to rake in $83 million.
Last year the figure was $55 million, though receipts amounted to $62 million.
Evidently it is proposed to use police officers as revenue collectors. That is disgraceful.
It is contrary to what the police force wants. If the police were doing their job properly
the fines brought in from traffic offences would be reduced instead of being increased.
The proposal for random breath testing could turn out to be a revenue cdecting
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        It would be far more honest if the police took their random breath testing vans
into hotel or club yards and allowed everyone leaving the hotel or club to be tested.
Then patrons could be told whether they were fit to drive home o not. Instead, the
vans will probably wait down the street, catch people unawares and charge them with
drink-driving. An education campaign is needed, not a rip-off to pay for the Govern-
ment's excesses. Police officers I have spoken to are not happy about becoming revenue
collectors. Their job is to assist people to obey the law and to train them to do so.
The Government should be condemned for its acti'm.

        I make a plea for the people in my electorate in connection with State charges.
Many of my constituents live in areas that are accessible only by water. I refer to
residents of Scotland Island, which is one of the two places in Sydney where one
can live on an island, the other one being Dangar Island in the Hawkesbury River.
For the purposes of this discussion I disregard a few Maritime Services Board
employees who live on Goat Island in Sydney Harbour. People living on Scotland
Island and on the western shore of Pittwater are entirely dependent on water trans-
port to get to and from their homes and places of employment. The land board
office issues permissive occupancies for jetties to which people who travel by water
take their boats. The increases in the charges made for those permissive occupancies
are astronomical. Between the time the present Government took office and 1983-84
the increases will amount to 1 200 per cent. A resident of Lovett Bay on the western
shore of Pittwater pays rent of $43. From l l t h September, 1982, the rent will be
$98, an increase of 227 per cent; and from l l t h January, 1984, it will be $153,
an increase of 356 per cent. The Deputy Premier, Minister for Public Works and
Minister for Ports has said in this House that people who live in Pittwater are
silvertails who hog the waterfront. I assure honourable members that many of them
are ordinary Australians who are not wealthy but who are battling to make ends meet.

        I come next to increases in government charges since the 1981 election.
Court charges have risen by 25 per cent; conveyancing by 30 per cent and electricity
by 60 per cent, though my electricity account has increased by more than 100 per
cent. Inland fishing licences have increase4 by 66 per cent; timber royalties by 20
per cent; grain handling charges by 20 per cent, in a time of serious drought; private
employment agents' licences have increased by 60 per cent; theatre agents' licences
by 900 per cent; and national park entrance charges by 150 per cent. Hospital
charges have risen by 20 per cent; doctors registration fees by 250 per cent and
ambulance fees by 20 per cent. I am giving the House conservative figures. Liquor
licences have increased by 400 per cent; local government rates, depending on the
locality, by possibly 20 per cent; planning and environment licences by 12 per cent
and mining lease charges by 100 per cent to 1 100 per cent.

        Maritime Services Board charges have increased by 30 per cent to 114 per
cent; port charges by 47 per cent; waterfront rentals by 700 per cent; cost of transport
by bus and ferry has increased by 20 per cent; rail fares by 20 per cent and freight
by 25 per cent to 40 per cent. Department of Main Roads and Department of Motor
Transport charges have increased by 50 per cent; motor car registration by 13.6 per
cent; parking fines by 400 per cent; petrol tax by 3c to 3 . 8 ~a litre; veterinary
 surgeons' licences have increased by 50 per cent; water rates by 18 per cent; agricul-
tural water meter fees have increased by 536.4 per cent. Those increases are not
apparent from an examination of the Budget unless one notes the increase in taxes
of $454 million and the State charges of $52 million. I realize that a large proportion
 of the $454 million is sales tax and a further large proportion is petrol tax. Payroll tax
is up $200 million and fuel taxes by $159 million. Yet Government supporters say
this is a good Budget.
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       The honourable member for Bathurst spoke in this debate of the public trans-
port system and said that New South Wales had the best system in Australia. He
should come to Pittwater. It takes two hours to get by bus from Palm Beach to the
city of Sydney. It took me less than two hours to do that in 1941 when I was a
youngster. Constituents complain that they must catch a bus to North Sydney and
change to get a bus to Palm Beach, but the buses are always full and go straight past
them, so they cannot get home. My daughter had that trouble when she attended
school at Neutral Bay. If she was delayed at school she was not able to get a bus. It is
a disgrace that New South Wales should have a bus service like that and the honour-
able member for Bathurst should be ashamed of the statement he made.

        The population of Sydney has increased in my lifetime from one million to
three million but only one suburban railway has been built in that time, the eastern
suburbs railway, built when the former Liberal Party-Country Party Government
was in office. If honourable members look at The Hills area, and the whole of the
area of the southwest between Camden and Penrith, in all that new development not
one railway is planned. Despite that, this Government commends itself for its planning
policies. Where are they? Where is the planning forethought that this Government
claims to have? If private industry were to operate in that way, there would be an
economic disaster.

        The honourable member for Bathurst also spoke about coal trucks in Western
Australia. Though he claims much knowledge of the coal industry, all he did was
emphasize his lack of knowledge. My recognition of his lack of knowledge goes back
to the time I operated in his electorate. I realized then that he did not know much about
the coal industry. New South Wales is using coal trains of a size that are a disgrace.
In the Western Australia iron ore field one finds 15 000-tonne trains. In Queens-
land one finds 10 000-tonne trains. New South Wales is approaching a gross maxi-
mum of 4 000-tonne trains. A legitimate comparison cannot be made between the
coal industries of Western Australia and New South Wales, for the only small field
operating in Western Australia is at Collie. That does not warrant the attention that
has been given to coal in New South Wales. Unfortunately, this State needs to do more
for the coal industry and is being left behind by other States.

         The honourable member for Fairfield spoke of the lack of government buses
in her electorate. According to the Budget the State Government bus services will lose
$100 million this year. If one considers mileages last year, and projected passenger
traffic, it means that a loss is being made of $1.5 for each kilometre and that must be
subsidized. It works out at 50c per passenger camed. In view of that, who would want
government buses in the western region of Sydney if they could be maintained d y
at government expense, and losses could be expected? The community would have
to pay for them.

       Mr McCarthy: What about the bus service to Palm Beach?

         Mr SMITH: The bus service to Palm Beach is the same as it was years ago,
inefficient. The only difference now is that there are Mercedes buses, which are much
better than those provided in 1941. The new technology has made a great difference.
The honourable member for Fairfield should press for the construction of a new rail-
way, instead of seeking government bus services for her electorate. Experience has
shown that private buses are a great deal more economically run than government buses.
The latter use 3.7 employees per bus on the road, where private buses operate on about
1.25 employees per bus on the road.
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        The honourable member for Bathurst displayed his ignorance about the Botany
Bay coal loader. It is quite significant that all the coal that goes; to Port Kembla
from the west goes to within four miles ob the Botany Bay loader, and then heads off
all the way down the Illawarra line t o Port Kembla. Although a coal loader is being
built at Port Kembla it has not yet come into operation. The Botany Bay coal loader
would have operated in 1979. It is clear that the Government has not solved the
problems of transporting coal to Port Kembla.
        Corrective Services Commission wages were overrun by $5.5 million which is
approximately 10 per cent of the total. Overtime runs at more than $1 million a
month. Costs of keeping a prisoner in the system rose to $24,600. The answer seems
to be that we should I d all prisoners out, so that they do not cost us anything.
In this Budget, instead of $24,600 being required to keep a prisoner in the system the
cost will rise to $27,300 a year for each prisoner. It is interesting to note that sales
from prison industries are increasing, and are budgeted for. The sum has risen from
$4.9 million to $6 million. It is hoped that this will eventuate because it is necessary
in the prison system to give people useful work and to provide them with an
opportunity to develop their skills. I find it sad to visit Long Bay gaol these days and
note that the vegetable gardens that once surrounded the gaol are no longer flourishing.
At one time the produce from those vegetable gardens was used to supply hospitals.
That seems to have gone by the board and something should be done about it.
        Significant problems have occurred in my electorate in regard to matters
appertaining to the portfolio of the Minister for Youth and Community Services.
I have in mind particularly the Bringa women's refuge at Dee Why. That refuge has
been always scratching for funds. In a question in this House within the past few
days I raised the matter of funding required by Granma's youth refuge. That refuge
was opened by the Premier. It has run into financial difficulties. When it was opened
the refuge was intended for use by children who had been bashed by their parents, to
provide them with the opportunity to get away from home. However, the Department
of Youth and Community Services has been directing 18-year-old drug addicts to
Granma's. Young hoodlums are also going there. They have almcrst wrecked the
place. The refuge cannot handle that sort o person without an increase in staff.
Originally, it was planned to run it as a foster family or surrogate mother and father
arrangement for children in their early teens who had been bashed or abused by their
parents. The result of the department directing these other young persons to that
refuge has been that its expenditure has gone through the roof. Between $150,000
and $200,000 a year is needed to fund the refuge. It is certain that the problem is
there. Something should be done about it. The Premier promised that the Minister
for Youth and Community Services would attend to the matter. I hope he remembers
those wolrds and that there is sufficient money in this Budget allocated for that to be
        It was with interest that I heard the honourable member for Fairfield talk
about the Wetherill Park High School. I have an interest in Fairfield because that is
where I spent part of my childhood. I lived quite close to the shop now owned by
the honourable member for Fairfield. I know Wetherill Park quite well. I am quite
@eased to hear that the Wetherill Park High School is getting playing fields and a
1 300 square feet general purpoe hall. However, all I should like to say is that
although it is right for that school to have those facilities, it must not be forgotten
that other schools do not have them. Some schools, in my electorate, many years
old, do not have them. One such school is Barrenjoey High School. It does not have
playing fields or a hall but for four years won the school band competition. Despite
that, it seems it did not merit a hall. Additionally, in my electorate North Narrabeen
Public School is using the type of portable schoolrooms used when I went to school
in 1935.
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        Mr Whelan: Where did the honourable member attend school?
       Mr SMITH: Merrylands West and Parramatta High. I lived near Fafield.
The North Narrabeen school buildings are of a low standard and fires have been set
in them on several occasions. Nothing has been done to upgrade the school. I have
made submissions to the Minister and I invite him to inspect the school at Narrabeen
North and do something about it, for it is so out of character with other schools in
the area.
        Mr DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member has exhausted his
        Mr JONES (Waratah) [8.0]: I wish to contribute to the debate on the Budget
but before doing so I congratulate the Treasurer upon bringing down his first Budget.
He has done a magnificent job, as did his predecessor, and has carried out his task
thoroughly and well. Constituents in the Newcastle and Hunter areas are proud of
the Minister. Next I should like to answer a number of points raised by the honour-
able member for Pittwater, one of which relates to a debate on a previous occasion
when he commented upon a statement that I had made with regard to Broken Hill
Proprietary Company Limited and steel usage. The honourable member for Pittwater
adopted a story that had appeared in a newspaper. Had the honourable member read
the comments I made in the House, he would have observed a marked difference in
the reports. I said that I should like the Broken Hill Proprietary Company Limited
or one of the main owners of the Kooragang coal loaders to state what was to be done
with the remainder of the plant and the steel that would be used. That was all I asked.
The honourable member for Pittwater referred to the larger number of public servants
employed by this Government. Since it has been in office, the State Government
has employed more than 8 000 new schoolteachers. Does the honourable member
suggest that those 8 000 new teachers should not be employed and that the staffing
needs of the schools should be retarded and that they revert to what was the position
when the Opposition parties were in government? The Wran Government does not
agree that that should be done. It believes that students attending State schools are
entitled to receive the best education that can be offered.
        The honourable member for Pittwater referred also to transport losses. Transport
losses are a problem worldwide. France has been and is the largest subsidizer of
transport systems. Prior to the recent elections, when a socialist government came
into office, France subsidized its transport system to the extent of 665 per cent. The
British transport system is subsidized by 50 per cent. All in all, problems in public
transport are worldwide. The administration-and particularly the new commissioner-
is attempting in a proper manner to bring the financial situation of the State Rail
Authority to the point where it can achieve greater efficiency. I believe that the com-
missioner will achieve some measure of success in the ventures that he is pursuing.
        Another matter to which I should like to refer is the crisis within BHP and
its effect upon the Newcastle and lower Hunter areas. It is important that the
Government should know about the situation. I believe that the Premier and his
Ministers have the situation under control with regard to future planning in relation
to those workers who will become unemployed. It is in the best interests of workers
who have been cast upon the unemployment market that planning should be co-
ordinated by the Government. I commend the Government for the prompt action
it has taken. I am somewhat sceptical about the facts that have given rise to that
exercise, for I believe that there is a possibility of collusion between the Fraser
Government and BHP. I do not regard Prime Minister Fraser as an asset to this
country. I believe that he will make every effort to bring the workers to their knees
and make them grovel in the dirt for anything they might get. This is one method
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whereby the Prime Minister will throw more people on to the unemployment market
and so make the workers feel a little more responsive in their efforts to obtain work
and perhaps reduce their claims on their employers. I shall refer to history and
quote examples of what I believe the Prime Minister is attempting to do. In an
article that appeared in the Sun on Tuesday, 13th July, it was stated:
             Perhaps the New Guard's finest hour came when Francis de Groot
      galloped forward and opened the Sydney Harbour Bridge, in front of the
      eyes of the Premier, Jack Lang, in March 1932.
I quote another example from the same article, which refers to the period of the
Lyons federal Government:
            But on the next day, May 13th, 1932, Lang was dismissed from
    office by the Governor of NSW, Sir Phillip Game. The Leader of the United
    Australia Party-Country Party coalition, B. S. B. Stevens, was sworn in as
    caretaker Premier, until an election could be held.
            After the elections, which the UAP-Country Party won, no further
    action was taken against the New Guard; the seven on charges relating to
    the conspiracy were released and the State Government inquiry was shelved.
    Similarly in Canberra, the Royal Commission was shelved.
What is happening today appears to be history repeating itself. In the Daily Mirror
of 5th August, 1975, under the headline "Vicious U.S. riots were sparked by empty
stomachs", the following passage appeared:
            During the last months of 1931 America, the world's richest nation,
     was racked by a moral and physical agony few 20th century people have
     been called on to endure. It was the era of the Great Depression, a short,
     sharp period of massive unemployment, poverty, starvation and despair.
Those are the sort of things that concern me. On 11th November, 1975, the Whitlam
Government was sacked by the Governor-General, Sir John Kerr. I believe that the
matters referred to in the passages I have quoted are examples of the methods that the
Fraser Government would unhesitatingly adopt in an attempt to bring the workers
to heel. I do not know whether many people are aware that on that infamous
occasion in 1975 high ranking officers from the armed forces were on standby in
case a coup occurred. This type of occurrence is not within the bounds of democracy
in this country.
        Harry M. Miller is in Cessnock gaol. Honourable members know a person
by the name of Michael Darby. During the period that the Whitlam Government was
in office both those people were involved in a fascist aligned meeting at Armidale.
It was something similar to the new guard; they were seeking to take over the country.
The best place for such persons is in gaol. They do not believe in democracy
and should not be allowed to mix with people who do. It is important that they are
not permitted to turn back the clock. The Fraser Government has turned back the
clock on so many advancements that the great Labor Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam,
introduced. Year after year one hears the results of negotiations with the federales
on measures introduced by the Whitlam Government. Funding was commenced at
50 per cent, then reduced to 25 per cent and subsequently nothing.
        Many community organizations are being divested of the support they need.
Despite this, Opposition members scream that the State Labor Government has not
fulfilled its obligations to keep these community organizations alive. The Fraser
Government has taken away from the people those things that were of use to them.
It is a shame that Prime Minister Fraser continues to lead this country. I refer
honourable members to an article on the front page of yesterday's Newcastle Herald
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concerning the Broken Hill Proprietary Company Limited. I do not know about
whom Mr David Rice was speaking, but he was present at the Australian steel con-
vention in Perth. The report reads:
                    Brighter news as bloom mill rolls in its last ingot
                              BHP sees better times ahead
             A top BHP executive believes there will be better times for the
     Australian steel industry in the second half of the decade if it can battle
     through the next two years.
             M r David Rice, the executive general manager of BHP's steel divi-
     sion told the Australian Steel Convention in Perth yesterday that there were
     no signs of a short-term recovery in the world steel industry.
             He said large tonnages of steel would continue to be forced on to a
     declining world market.
             M r Rice said this would depress prices as steelmakers fought to
     maintain blast furnace operations on a marginal basis while hoping domestic
     markets would help cover high fixed costs.

During the years BHP has continued with the plant it had available. The company
has assisted Korea and China to establish themselves as steelmaking nations. In
Australia, where BHP has been renowned as a leader in steelmaking, the company
has let its own methods deteriorate and be overtaken by other nations. The company
has deliberately permitted its own plant to run down and has put the blame on to
its staff. That is a deplorable thing to do. The report in the Newcastle Herald states
              The Federal Government said in late August that steel imports would
      remain steady at 1981-1982 levels, despite pleas by BHP to the Temporary
      Assistance Commission for imports to be kept to 15 per cent at the most.
      BHP bas announced major retrenchments in its steel division this financial
      year because of the downturn in domestic and overseas markets.

The year 1981-82 was one in which Australia imported a record amount of steel.
Already this year the imports are at a relatively higher level. Australia cannot
afford such luxury. The Broken Hill Proprietary Company Limited should reconsider
its future plans. The company has stated that it will not be moved from its present
plans. A federal Labor government would give BHP three years in which to renew
its plant so as to make more economical the carrying out of its operations. In dis-
cussions with BHP the Premier has stated that apart from a moratorium being held,
the company should do something about updating its plant so that it may compete
better with world markets. A large amount of the steel coming into Australia is
from Korea. The Korean Government subsidizes its steel exports to the extent of
33.1 per cent. If that Government is able to do so, why cannot the Commonwealth
Government? The BHP company has said it will retrench 1 738 employees. When
the ramifications of such retrenchments are analysed, the number of persons affected
could amount to as many as 20 000.

       Recent newspaper reports suggest that John Lysaght (Australia) Limited is
having difficulty as it cannot compete with imported galvanized sheet iron. The federal
Government should support BHP and restrict competing imports into Australia. The
honourable member for Hornsby said that large cargo vessels could not use some
ports along the New South Wales coast. He referred specifically to Botany Bay. The
Deputy Premier, Minister for Public Works and Minister for Ports asked coal exporters
at Newcastle whether they wanted the Newcastle harbour deepened to allow larger
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vessels capable of loading up to 150 000 tonnes of coal to use the port. The exporters
said they would not be in it. They were content to allow the vessels with a capacity
of up to 120000 tonnes to continue to look after their shipping operations in the
immediate future. The honourable member for Hornsby should visit the places where
the problems are occurring and not sit on the sidelines in the metropolitan area and
comment upon matters about which he knows nothing. In the near future Newcastle
harbour will be deepened to enable it to accommodate vessels of up to 120 000
        A suggestion was made also that coal from the western coalfields should be
taken by rail to Port Kembla for export. As a Novocastrian I have been urging that
 the DubboSandy Hollow-Maryvale railway line be completed so that it might be
used to relieve the congestion caused by rail transport coming in from the west. Ore
for smelting could be transported from Broken Hill to Newcastle along that line.
 It would be cheaper to transport the material by that route than to bring it to Sydney
 and then take it from Sydney along the coast to Newcastle. Lithgow coal for export
also could be brought by rail to Newcastle harbour by such a railway link.
         When the amalgamation of the University of Newcastle and the Newcastle
College of Advanced Education was first proposed, those connected with the two
institutions were strongly opposed to the suggestion. However, the federal Government
exerted pressure and it was realized that the amalgamation was inevitable, though
many still feel deeply opposed to it. The federal Minister for Education said that
there would be no reduction in funds allocated to the two institutions. I believe, as
the Indians would say, that he talked with a forked tongue. This financial year the
Commonwealth allocated $38.5 million to the two organizations. That is almost $2.5
million below the combined budgeted programme of the college and the university
The federal Minister for Education said that the amalgamation would result in better
economy, better understanding and improved communication. The college and the
university each has its own telephone exchange. Each institution has a library. Surely
the federal Government should have had sufficient foresight to take those matters into
account when it was considering the future needs of the two organizations. The
amalgamation has been like a shotgun wedding. If the amalgamationdoes not proceed
to conclusion, no funds will be urovided bv the federal Government. Evervone con-
nected with the university and t6e college is trying to achieve the best resu6 from an
amalgamation that has been forced upon the two institutions.
        In the near future the Minister for Consumer AEairs and Minister for Roads
intends to visit the Waratah electorate. I ask the Minister to consider the problems
that will arise from the construction of the second bridge at Hexham. For many years
Oak Milk and Dairy Foods Pty Limited, which sells butter, milk and milk products
has occupied a property near the Hexham bridge. The company has traded profitably
and has acted as agent for the Hunter Valley tourist authority. The planned new
bridge will impede access to the company's premises from both approaches to the
bridge. The movement of trucks to and from the aluminium smelter at Tomago has
strained the capacity of the bridge over the Hunter River. Work should be commenced
as soon as possible on construction of a second bridge in that area. Recently I read
an article that claimed that many registered clubs are closing and that others are
amalgamating so as to remain in existence. I suggest that inspectors who are trained
in business affairs might investigate the clubs, discover where they have gone wrong,
and advise managements how to get out of their financial problems.
       Mr BREWER (Goulburn) [8.30]: The Budget is an extension of big brother
government and finance of government activities by taxation. The escalation of the
bureaucracy and the raising of huge amounts of taxation by governments to pay for it
is one of the factors that has a big influence on the decrease in productivity and the
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change in community attitudes by the people of New South Wales. The Queensland
Government provides a good example of what a truly private enterprise government
can do for a State. The overgovernment that is taking place in New South Wales and
the increase in taxation to meet the cost are reasons for the drain of people and finan-
cial resources from New South Wales to Queensland. This financial year the cost of the
increase in government and the increase in taxation to meet the cost of it will be in the
vicinity of three-quarters of a billion dollars. That is more revenue by far than the total
revenue the State received when I first became a member of Parliament.
        I refer to some of the revenue earning taxes that help to defray its costs. The
most important is payroll tax. No one could have conceived a tax that would have
such a disastrous and deadening effect on industry and commerce. Payroll tax is one
of the most unjust taxes that could be devised. At a time of worldwide recession, when
the State is suffering from a serious drought which is affecting country communities
as well as metropolitan communities, the Government applied a 1 per cent surcharge
as a temporary measure for a few short months to help meet its budgetary commit-
ments. This surcharge was not imposed as an expedient to meet the blow-out of a
Budget; it has become permanently entrenched in this State's budgetary process. It is
alarming that the yield from payroll tax is by far the largest of any taxation measure
ever introduced in this State. The yield from the payrolls of industry, many of them
small businesses, will be $1,345 million. That is an increase of $205 million over last
year. Payroll tax has had a disastrous effect on rural industry.
       Mr McIlwaine: It must be milking time.
        Mr BREWER: Whether it is milking time or not, at least more honourable
members are listening to my contribution to the debate than listened to the speech by the
honourable member for Waratah. I t is interesting that the honourable member for Ryde
made a statement about milking time when I was speaking about payroll tax. That tax is
the greatest milking exercise that has ever been suffered by commerce and industry in
this State at a time when commerce and industry can least afford it. Many small
businesses and industries in New South Wales will pay more in payroll tax than any
other form of taxation.
        For some time the Premier and Minister for Mineral Resources has been
saying-and his comments have been echoed by the harpies who follow him-that the
past six budgets introduced in this State have not been responsible for increasing taxa-
tion. In June and July of this year this Parliament had a special session to introduce
some of the heaviest taxes that have been applied in this Parliament for several decades.
       Mr Anderson: What were the special taxes?
       Mr BREWER: I am referring to the tax on petrdeum products.
       Mr Anderson: That is o l y one. Tell me about the second one.
       Mr BREWER: The Minister will have his opportunity to make a speech on
the Budget. Usually he makes his speeches during question time in reply to prearranged
questions. Honourable members are accustomed to the tear-jerking and the hearts and
flowers. The Minister should keep quiet at this stage. He will have an opportunity later
to contribute to this debate. I shall refer now to the petroleum products taxes.
       Mr McIlwaine: Tell us about the federal Government.
       Mr BREWER: I shall talk about the federal Government and roads in a
moment. The tax on petroleum products is estimated to raise almost $160 million,
though I believe that estimate is conservative. Parliament sat in a special session in
June and July to introduce the tax. One of the reasons the Government advanced
for introducing a 14 per cent tax on diesel fuel was to provide and improve roads.
This Government has never been noted for providing funds out of cansolidated
revenue for roads. Instead, the Government has allowed the Department of Main
Roads to borrolw so heavily that the burden of debt repayments this year almost
equals the additional revenue that will be received from motor licence fees and diesel
f u d tax. Of the $159 million that will be received from the petrol tax and the
diesel tax, only $29 million is to go to roads. During the debate on the introduction
of the petroleum products tax the Minister said that 14 per cent would be levied on
diesel fuel. It has since been fiddled with, and I note that the Budget mentions no
percentage. The percentage is hiding in the wings somewhere and will be applied
as a flat increase on diesel prices. The amount of $29 million is a mere pittance
compared with the amount that will be received from diesel tax. The Government
said that the diesel tax would go into consolidated revenue and then be paid to the
Department of Main Roads. That was the first step in hiding the real result of the
tax. The Budget does not distinguish between the petrol tax and the diesel tax. I dare
say the only opportunity honourable members will have of discovering what amounts
went to which departments and what amounts were derived from which sources will
be when next year's Auditor-General's report is published.
        The budget is full of deceit and trickery. I remind honourable members of the
introduction of the soccer pools by the Askin-Cutler Government. It was hailed
as a great innovation for the New South Wales sporting fraternity. That Government
introduced that legislation provided that revenue derived from soccer football pools was
to go into a sport and recreation fund. The fund was established for that specific
purpose, and the revenue did not go into consolidated revenue. Substantial sums were
derived from the soccer football pools. When the Wran Government came to ofice
it established Lotto. The proceeds derived from Lotto are paid direct into consolidated
revenue. Lotto provides government funds more readily than do soccer football pools.
Lotto was promoted by two great entrepreneurs, Mr Murdoch and Mr Packer. I
should like to know what those gentlemen's share is from Lotto. The net result
of the establishment of Lotto has been an increase in revenue to consolidated revenue
and an increase in sums paid ta these two powerful news magnates by way of commis-
sion and from advertising proceeds.
       I shall now deal with the State's football pools and sporting and recreation
fund. This year the return from football pools was $87,000 less than last year. Less
than $1 million was derived from the football pools for promoting sport and recreation
in New South Wales. It is a different story altogether with Lotto, which has made
a gain this year of $8 million. The Budget Papers do not reveal the adverse effect
that Lotto has had on the State's lotteries and on other sources of government revenue.
Soccer pools provided money for cricket fields, sporting fields, tennis courts, or lights
on playing fields. Sporting groups can blame the Wran Government because in a
devious way it has diverted funds from sport and recreation.
        I shall examine some of the bureaucratic government departments. This year
the Premier's Department received a 19 per cent increase in funds. It is probably
one of the most bureaucratic and non-productive government departments in this State.
It is responsible for 90 per cent of the New South Wales Government propaganda.
The propaganda emanating from the Premier's Department is the most false that I have
heard in my lifetime, and I lived throt~gh Second World War and heard propaganda
from Hitler. Hitler was a boy scout compared with Neville Wran.
      The Department of Environment and Planning has been responsible for the
emasculation of a great deal of development in New South Wales. It has taken the
power from local government and other responsible bodies to make decisions. The
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Department of Environment and Planning has delayed and frustrated development in
this State. This has resulted in increased costs incurred by local government. How-
ever, the Budget provides for a 17.8 per cent increase in funds for that department.
This is an example of overgovernment. Last Monday I attended the local government
conference at Goulburn at which one of the most talked about subjects was the
activities of the Department of Environment and Planning and how it had frustrated
development in New South Wales.
         The Department of Local Government is one of the most important government
departments in New South Wales. The councils and shires and the Department of
Local Government employ more people than any other area of government in the
nation. Although the department makes important decisions that affect the community,
its budget allocation was reduced by more than 12 per cent. I remind honourable
members of the promises that were honoured by the former Government and of the
promises that were broken by the Wran Government. The coalition parties made a
promise during the 1968 election campaign to subsidize pensioners by a 50 per cent
rebate of local government rates. The former Government honoured that promise in
its first months of office.
        It provided funds to fulfil its promise to subsidize pensioner rebates based on a
formula applied to local councils. The Wran Government gave certain undertakings
with regard to electricity charges, but tried to get the county councils to meet the cost
of those undertakings. Prior to the election the Government backed off and met part
of the costs. The Government required local government councils to meet half the
costs of pensioner rebates, notwithstanding an undertaking given by a previous Liberal
Party-Country Party government and a promise reiterated by the Wran Government.
The costs to councils will amount to about $30 mi!lion. The Labor Government's
breaking of a political undertaking is one of the most disgraceful and deceitful actions
that I have ever experienced.
       Mr Singleton: What about electricity? The Government made the pensioners
pay for that.
       Mr BREWER: The Government will make all ratepayers pay for its policies.
It would have done the Premier good to have been at the local government con-
ference held last Monday in Goulburn. The Minister for Local Government and
Minister for Lands could not get his Lands hat on. Never in my time in politics
have I seen a Minister taken to task so much as that Minister was by the people who
attended the conference.
       Mr Armstrong: By members of his own party, too.
       Mr BREWER: Yes, and by the Lord Mayor of Sydney.
       Mr Armstrong: And by the Shires Association.
       Mr BREWER: By everyone: There was not one person on the same side as
the Minister. I remember being on a committee that recommended to a former
Minister for Local Government, Mr Pat Morton, in the Askin Government, that a
local government assistance fund be established. Various ev-iowments were recom-
mended to make up for various Governmel~t     properties such a s Crown lands, national
parks and other areas not being rated. The committee felt that it should save
bureaucracy and red tape the task of working out various formulae for endowments
and that the Government of the day should create a local government assistance fund
that would provide assistance to ratepayers in local government areas.
       Mr McIlwaine: Was local government being funded by the federal Govern-
ment in those days?
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       Mr BREWER: That aspect may have been forgotten. The honourable member
for Ryde would do much better as a research officer than he does as a parliamentary
representative. In all my eighteen years as a member of this House I have never
seen such a poor attempt at being a member of Parliament as the attempt by the
honourable member for Ryde. All the questions without notice he has asked in this
House have been Dorothy Dix questions formulated by Ministers.

       The abolition of the local government assistance fund will cost local govern-
ment ratepayers $9.5 million. In all, the cost to ratepayers and local govern-
ment as a result of this Budget will be $40 million. It is an extremely lopsided
programme. Some country shires that have few pensioners to qualify for the rebate
will pay little or no rebate, but other shires and local government bodies in coastal
areas of the State, and some inland cities and the City of Sydney will pay upwards of
$1 million to subsidize rates. The statement made by the honourable member
for Ryde with regard to the local government assistance revenue sharing fund was
not correct. The Minister for Local Government and Minister for Lands openly
admitted in Goulburn on Monday that the Government would take advantage of local
government and use up the increased revenue that was received by the ratepayers of
New South Wales from the Commonwealth Government. That is a dastardly act
and a disgusting way to finance the State. The people of New South Wales will
take action to rectify that by putting the Government out of office much sooner
than is generally thought. Government supporters have become extremely complacent
about, and insulated from, the opinions of the people of New South Wales. None of
the promises made about street lighting charges and other statutory charges on local
government were kept by the Government. It had no intention of keeping them.

        Roads are most important to New South Wales. However, the State Govern-
ment has never been known for the size of its contribution from consolidated revenue
for the road network of New South Wales. Members of the Government have com-
plained about the Commonwealth Government and its supposed lack of road funding
since it came to office. I ask honourable members to consider the State Government's
efforts this year to improve the road network of New South Wales, after the applica-
tion of the petrol and diesel tax levy. If one does one's sums properly on the revenue
provided by the State Government this year and last year, one finds that the State's
contribution in real terms has increased by only $18.6 million or 7.8 per cent.
      An analysis of the road funds reveals that revenue going to the Department
of Main Roads from motor vehicle taxation and registration has risen this year to
$338.3 million, an increase of $49.7 million or 173 per cent. Further, the amount
of $29 million from diesel tax revenue has been brought into road funding by the
Government this financial year. Revenue for main roads from all forms of taxation
in New South Wales has increased by $78 million or 27.3 per cent.

         Next I consider what actually happened to the road funds. A considerable
part of the funding of the Department of Main Roads was by way of borrowings.
This year, borrowings have been limited quite substantially by the Government. The
borrowings of the Department of Main Roads were reduced by $27.5 million or
31.6 per cent. Last year, there was a cash increase of only $51.2 million or 13.6 per
cent. I now take into account some other charges. In the past financial year debt
charges were $61.9 million and administration and plant purchases amounted to $76.4
million. This year the figures are $76 million and $95 million, which result in a
decrease of $32.7 million for roads. The Commonwealth's contribution of $229.7
million is an increase of $15.3 million or 7.1 per cent-about         the same or a
little less than the State's real figure. The Commonwealth contribution is in the form
of a total fund and this can be regarded as a real figure. If one adds to that the
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bicentenary contribution that will be provided by the Commonwealth Government of
some $49.3 million, one obtains a figure of $64.4 million as the Commonwealth's
increased contribution to the roads of this State, which is an increase of 30.1 per cent.

       So in spite of all the talk about the petroleum tax and the diesel tax, the
increase in road funds from the State Government this year is barely 8 per cent.
That is typical of almost every facet of the Budget. From time to time in tbis House
I shall deal at great length with the road funding programme of this Government.
The local government bodies, including the shires and other people who are responsible
for the construction and maintenance of roads in this State, especially the Department
of Main Roads, are well aware of the financial trick that this Governmeat has played
with road funds. The Minister for Consumer Affairs and Minister for Roads is trying
to use his power to determine the priorities and decide where Commoawdth funds
for roads are spent.

        Mr DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member has exhausted his
        Mr CAVALIER (Gladesville) [9.0]: The Budget presented by the Treasurer
gives a good indication of the values o the Wran Government. In a time of
considerable economic difficulties the Budget Estimates provide a clear indication of
the priorities of spending by this Government and how it will seek to gain revenue.
For any Labor Government the third term is the mod critical in determining its
ultimate direction. It is never easy to maintain a coherent strategy of reform when a
steady administration and reaction to events presents far fewer hazards. The idealism
that carried the party into office is an early victim when that thinking becomes
paramount. A State government that did not realize that priority must be given to
the needs of Aborigines in their quest for land rights, public housing, the plight of the
unemployed and those groups in ous society that are ground down by the structure
of our system, would not be a government worthy of the history of our p d y and the
idealism that carried it into power.

        Two State Labor governments have fallen since the Wran Labor Government
was elected in 1976. The governments of South Australia and Tasmania were routed
after long periods in office. They were not routed because of dangerous adventurism-
far from it. They were routed because everyone could perceive that they had dried up
creatively. They were operating from day to day, enduring for endurance's sake.
From the time that Don Dunstan left public office in South Australia, the Government
of that State lost its sense of purpose. It is clear that the people have voted for the
Wran Government in record numbers because they have come to expect a government
that is contemporary and innovative. They expect a government that is committed to
reform in education, a concern for the environment, coherent planning laws, prison
reform, a feeling for arts and culture, access to their government, and some measure
of civil liberties. Much of this has been achieved, much is under active considexation,
and much still needs to be done.
        A careful examination of the Budget Papers is necessary to p r q a r e one's
contribution to this debate. The Premier and the Treasurer have often explained to
this House and elsewhere to the people of New South Wales the clear evidence of
conspiracy by the Commonwealth Government against the finances of this State. So
often is this repeated that one fears there is a danger of resignation to this grim
reality. Ordinary people do not grasp the subtleties of Commonwealth-State financial
arrangements, and the probability is that they do not care. They know that there is a
malaise economically in Australia, a condition altogether alien to thoge who had become
accustomed to the boom times of the 1950s and 1960s when there were expanding
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markets for our expots, cheap Middle East oil and a stable economy in the United
States of America. Those times are past and they are unlikely ever to return.
Australia is now faced with underlying structural problems in its economy, especially
its manufacturing base, a particular problem for New South Wales, a problem so
serious that a miracle in the market-place-unlikely as it is-will  not precipitate any
early or lasting recovery.

        The difficulties for a reform government are acute. People expect that a
Labor government will deliver more; that it will be sympathetic and responsive to the
ever-growing demands of the needy and the underprivileged. Even as this State
Government is starved for funds and is required to push taxes into new areas that
please no one, its expectations have not diminished and they will not diminish. The
extent of our problems caused by the Fraser so-called new federalism and the clear
conspiracy against the major States is the single greatest handicap holding back a
full-blooded government assault on the economic ills of the State.

        I do not wish my speech to be studded with statistics, but a few of the core
figures provided by the Treasurer cannot be repeated often enough. The State of New
South Wales receives payments from the Commonwealth in three basic areas-general
revenue, specific purpose grants and general purpose capital grants. The general
revenue is derived from the reimbursements from the Commonwealth to the States of
personal income tax collection within the States. As the Treasurer has indicated to the
House, if the Commonwealth had continued to share 39.87 per cent of those income
tax collections with the States, New South Wales would have received an additional
$236 million on top of its actual allocation. If one adds to that the unanimous recom-
mendations of the Grants Commission with respect to individual State shares, New
South Wales would have received an extra $39 million. Those two sums add up to
$275 million in one year alone. Taken in conjunction with the cutbacks in specific
purpose grants, such as those to hospitals and other health services, those cutbacks
become quite massive.

        For those who find that these sums are too large for their personal comprehen-
sion, I shall convert those figures to Commonwealth reimbursements per capita. The
conspiracy is then revealed rather graphically. The Commonwealth payments to New
South Wales will be $442.30 per head. By contrast, Queensland will receive $622.56;
South Australia, $649.13; Western Australia, $680.48; and Tasmania a whopping
$842.91. Under the weight of such severe funding cutbacks, the New South Wales
Government has been compelled to delve into new areas of taxation and plumb its
revenue gathering potential to new depths. The State is confronted with real difficulties
in doing that. The level of economic activity is the basis of almost all State revenue
collections. When houses and home units are not sold in their customary volume,
conveyancing and stamp duty revenue falls accordingly. When people cannot afford
to buy cars, registration fees, stamp duty and sales tax will decline. As people move
about less, go out to eat less often, or shun expenditure because they are uncertain
about meeting ongoing commitments, the ultimate revenues available to any State
government must decline.

        Commonwealth revenues, dependent largely on personal income tax and com-
pany tax, will rise almost on their own because fiscal drag will collar for the Common-
wealth fabulous additional tax dollars. Almost every week, wage rises push people who
can ill afford it into tax brackets that never were intended to cover them. The problem
of matching revenue against expenditure is not unique to the federal system in Aus-
tralia. It is a feature of the federal system throughout the world and it is one of
the central difficulties of modern capitalism.
      Mr Cavalier]
                                        Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982         1901
        The distinguished United States economist, John Kenneth Galbraith, has written
about these problems with his usual common sense and perceptiveness in his classic
work Economics and the Public Purpose. In that work Galbraith develops his theory
that the neoclassical model of the market system has been replaced in the advanced
capitalist world by the planning system. The planning system is dominated by the
large firms, which are able to win control over prices automatically, determine output
and largely shape demand. The planning system has succeeded in gaining control of
the economic environment and dictating to the market. The controllers of the plan-
ning system are in a position to dictate even to elected governments. Robert L.
Heilbroner has written that:
             In the advanced capitalist nations, new elites based on science and
     technology are gradually displacing the older elites based on wealth.

How the planning system affects the management of the modern capitalist State has
resulted in gross inequity for the lower levels of government. As Galbraith has written:
             The present arrangement was designed, one judges, with a kind of
     malignant skill to serve not the public but the planning system. Those services
     which are of the greatest importance to the more powerful parts of the plan-
     ning system are performed by the Federal Government. The persona1 and
     corporate income taxes which go to the Federal Government expand more
     than in proportion with economic growth and increasing income. The services
     to the planning system are t h ~ ~ s   supported by automatically expanding
     revenues. The taxes on which the States, and especially the cities, depend
     have no similar upward flexibility.

He continued:
            Meanwhile the tendency of the civilian tasks of government is pre-
    cisely the reverse of that of the revenues. With the urbanization that follows
    from the decline in rural employment, increasing consumption and (even
    though the gain is now more modest) increasing population, a larger share
    of the tasks of government accrues to the cities. So it is with the provision
    of housing, protection of persons and property, provision of elementary educa-
    tion, protection of health, arrest of air and water pollution, control of auto-
    mobile use and removal of the detritus of an increasing living standard.
    In broad summary the revenues which expand with the economy go to the
    federal government where they support the planning system. Those that
    do not so expand go to the cities where they serve the public.
            The preferred claim of the planning system on the more ample
    revenues of the federal government is not an accident. Functions that serve
    the planning system-industrial research and development, support to tech-
    nical education or the building of interstate highways are examples-come
    to be designated tasks of prime national importance. This reflects the
    interest of the planning system. Being so designated, they are appropriate
    functions of the federal government. A task that is historically, tradi-
    tionally, logically or properly a function of State or local government is one
    that serves only the interest of the public at large.

Notwithstanding seven years of optimistic promises by the Fraser Government.
the domestic Australian inflation rate is still in double figures. The decline in the
purchasing power of the wage and salary earners' income has meant that the drive
by the unions to maintain their real standard of living cannot be abated. No Labor
government wishes to appear niggardly in the face of requests for wage rises for people
who perform yeoman services to the States, such as nurses, railway workers, bus
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employees, policemen and teachers, yet it cannot be blind to the financial con-
sequences of the additional revenue outlays that must follow from increasing the
State's wages and salaries bills. Our rate of inflation has contributed to the main-
taining of record high interest rate levels. Borrowers do expect a return on their
capital investments ahead of the inflation rate and taxation margins; that is, wMe
idation is running at 11 per cent or more and personal income tax takes up to 62
cents in every dollar of interest, the prime lending rate will remain in the middle to high
teens. The short term interest rates have been most alarming. Treasury mtes exceeded 20
per cent earlier this year and the overnight market on one occasion in August reached
100 per cent. Nowhere else in the western world is this problem so serious. While we
can rejoice that our prime lending rate has now been cut by fractions of a per cent
so that some of the banks are offering 16.75 per cent, the contrast with the rest of the
major economies of the west is revealing.

        In the United States of America the commercial bank rate for three months
deposits has fallen to 10.38 per cent. In France it is 14 per cent while West Germany
manages 7.28 per cent and Holland 7.88 per cent. Switzerland and Japan do remark-
ably well, offering rates of 3.25 per cent and 3.75 per cent respectively. At present the
price of money is the basis of the instability of our economy. People do not have
sufficient confidence in their earning power and the continuity of their real purchasing
power to be able to afford to enter into long-term commitments while interest rates
are hovering near 20 per cent. Even with the welcome downturn in interest rates, the
managers and spokesmen for the banks and major financial institutions continue to
reiterate that there is no fall in prospect with the home mortgage interest rate. The
problem of putting people in proper shelter is a major social tragedy and will reqnire
a co-ordinated response from the Commonwealth and the States. The Fraser Govern-
ment shows no interest in such an approach. People are coming to see me in my
electorate office almost every day to see what can be done by the New South Wales
Housing Commission about providing them with public housing. What with the price
of land, the price of building materials and the price of money, the provision of public
housing will become an acceptable alternative to most people seeking to place a roof
over the heads of their family.

        The situation in the international economy makes any early Australian
recovery unlikely. The disastrous outcomes of the experiments in the United Kingdom
and the United States of America of Friedmanite monetarism, though not unexpected,
give no observer any joy when one contemplates the suffering of the working people
of those two countries. The money supply has been restricted in both places and
inflation has been caused to fall, but at the expense of massive unemployment and
quite criminal cutbacks in the provision of social services to those who need them.
This is a familiar and well-documented story for those who are interested and more
than puts paid to claims of those like the honourable member for Northcott, who
still wail histrionically about the so-called western renewal. Just how desperate the
Thatcher government has become in trying to meet its ideological commitments in
the face of the demands by its people upon it were revealed most embarrassingly
in a document leaked to the respected British magazine, the Economist and published
in its issue of 11th-17th September, 1982. The Economist revealed that the central
policy review staff of the Thatcher government spent six months studying public
spending strategy and attempted to devise means by which public spending as a
proportion of the gross domestic product could be reduced. They came to the only con-
clusion that could be reached by anyone attempting to examine the modern welfare
state. They concluded that massive cuts would have to take place in health, edu-
cation and social welfare. Those three nouns roll easily off the tongue; they are
commonly quoted as the areas where there is much spending. They are places where
      Mr Cavalier]
                                         Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982     1903

there has to be a lot of waste and where the real savings have to be made. But when
one looks at the consequences to human beings in the real world when people actually
try to put down in writing what is involved in cuts to education, health and social
welfare, the human consequences are quite staggering.
        The specific recommendations of the central policy review staff included the
ending of all State funding for higher education. This would be implemented by
the introduction of fees at universities at market rates. Honourable members should
pause and consider that for a moment: fees for universities at market rates. The
fees charged would have to reflect lecturers' wages, the upkeep of buildings, the
servicing of capital debts, thousands of video units, materials in chemical and medical
laboratories, advanced computers, and highly specialized equipment in the natural
science departments. If it were introduced in Australia this would work out con-
servatively at fees per student of not less than $18,000 per annum. What a neat,
effective way this would be of ending more than a century of reform in education
predicated on the notion of equality. Universities and places of higher learning would
effectively be limited to the children of wealthy people or those bound hand and
foot to corporations who were beneficent enough to provide scholarships. That
example illustrates more than adequately just how serious the monetarist threat can
         The Thatcher Cabinet considered this document on 9th September but has
 adjourned any consideration of it. The electorate is stiII strong enough to resist such
reforms only because there is an organized labour movement capable of articulating
the concerns of the needy, the poor and the underprivileged and acting to ensure
that when Labor is in goverment it allocates resources to those areas. Education
has been one of the areas of Commonwealth spending most severely hit. A few
statistics make my point: the expenditure by the Fraser Government on education
 in 1980-81 was $16.1 million less than it was in the last year of the Whitlam
government, Make an allowance for inflation during the past five years and one
will realize just what a huge cut this has been. Decisions taken this year by the
Commonwealth Schools Commission reveal starkly what the priorities of the Fraser
Government are. In the guidelines published for 1982, the Commonwealth achieved
the inconceivable-more money will be spent by the Commonwealth on private schools
than will be spent on government schools. This year, the cutbacks and restrictions
announced in the guidelines will involve more than $20 million in the funding of
New South Wales government scho~ls. Inflation will cost another $6 million in real
        All honourable members should study carefully the excellent speech made by
the honourable member for Waverley, a speech studded with statistics. Anybody who
is interested in the New South Wales economy and the consequences to New South
Wales of Fraser federalism will benefit from his contribution to the debate. The point
made so strongly by the honourable member for Waverley on education cannot be
repeated often enough. In the past four years the Commonwealth has cut New South
Wales education expenditure by as much as $20 million, or 9 per cent. At the same time
the federal Government has increased assistance to private schools in this State by a
sum of $77 million, an increase of 50 per cent. I should be surprised if even the
honourable member for Hawkesbury could justify that expenditure. In the area of
education the comparative values of Fraser federalism, the Wran Government, the
former Whitlarn Government, and a future Hayden government stand out in clear
        The New South Wales Budget has been framed at a difficult time in the
State's fortunes, and it pays one to examine not merely the numerals but also the pro-
portions of expenditure. When the New South Wales Labor Government gained office
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in 1976, education accounted for 31 per cent of public spending. In the past five years
that figure has risen to over 36 per cent. In the 1981-82 estimates capital expendi-
ture on education reached 36.49 per cent. At a time when revenue is limited and
demands on resources have not diminished, the Wran Government has been able to
increase its capital expenditure on education to 36.71 per cent of the total State
Budget-far and away the largest item of expenditure.

       Mr Rozzoli: Not over a period of years.

       Mr CAVALIER: I fail to follow that intervention by the Deputy Leader of
the Opposition. The Liberal Party-Country Party government, of which the honour-
able member was a latter day incumbent, bequeathed to the Labor Government capital
spending of 31 per cent of the total State Budget on education. The Wran Government
has increased that figure by more than 1 per cent in every single year to the point
that even in these difficult times that Government has maintained a further increase.

       Mr Egan: It shows that the Deputy Leader of the Opposition is innumerate.

         Mr CAVALIER: The Deputy Leader of the Opposition is a pleasant and
chaming character but, as the honourable member for Cronulla says, he is innurn-
erate and, on occasions, his remarks border on illiteracy. At the same time as the New
South Wales Labor Government is straining its resources to maintain its commitment to
public education, the Minister for Education has annotmced most welcome reforms in
the administration of State aid to non-government schools. I pay tribute to the
Minister for displaying great courage in bringing forward recommendations aimed at
altering the funding arrangements for category 1 and 2 non-government schools. The
recommendations were the collective wisdom of a group of men and women who have
sought to return government policy to a needs basis of funding. Their initiative is
welcome and shows considerable political courage. The Government will be imposing
a freeze on per capita funding to wealthy schools in categories 1 and 2 so that in
 1983 what they receive will be exactly equal to what they received in 1982. At the same
time the working party will continue to examine the definitions of what is a needy
bct~ooiand what is a wealthy school. In this way some of the extraordinary anomalies
in the present schools commission definitions will be corrected. It would be unfair to
 single out particular schools by name, but schools with rifle ranges, swimming pools and
 extensive grounds bordered by stone walls cannot by any definition be considered

        It pleases no member of the New South Wales Labor Government that Teachers
Federation activists and those who attend parents and citizens meetings are expressing
their concern about what the Wran Government is doing in education. Many of
those same people seem to be remarkably silent in directing their fire at the Fraser
Government. Macquarie Street is certainly more accessible than Canberra. But some
of the protests, however justified in their original intention, cannot warrant the venom
-certainly not the personal venom-expressed         by some involved. One has only to
compare the record of the Fraser Government, then read the figures on their cutbacks
and examine the decline in the number of pupils attending primary schools to realize
that the New South Wales Government has achieved a great deal in maintaining its
commitment to public spending in education. The fact is that the proportion of
children attending school as a percentage of population is in decline. Though high
school enrolments have increased, there has been a decrease in enrolments at primary
school level. Nobody would have contemplated that possibility in the heyday of the
 1950's and 1960's when there was a failure by demographers accurately to judge
movements in population in the future.
                                        Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982      1905

        The Government, in the search for additional revenue, has brought forward
a worthy reform in its financial institutions tax. On the whole it has been welcomed
by respected journals such as the Australian FZn~ncid Review and the Sydney
Mornirzg Herald. It will seek a more equitable gathering of revenue from those who
pay their bills or debts by credit arrangements. It will raise money on a continuing
basis from banks, building societies, credit unions, finance companies, cash manage-
ment trusts, credit cards and the bankcard industry. It is hoped to raise between
$100 million and $200 million in a single year. At the same time, as part of the
reform of institutional taxes, mortgage duty will be abolished. It is hoped that a
second mortgage market will be established and will have a most welcome effect
on the housing industry. It is clear to anybody who has studied housing and planning
problems in the Whitlam era that the size of the money supply probably had more
effect on levels of building than planning laws or policies adopted by local councils
or central government. Unless money is reasonably and freely available to borrowers
on terms they can afford, or can expect to continue to afford, they will not have the
confidence to invest. Consequently there will be a marked decline in the housing

        I conclude by making a few brief personal comments. I was disturbed that
in the Budget Estimates in respect of the Department of Environment and Planning
there has not been a continuance of the single line item in respect of the grant to
the National Trust of Australia (N.S.W.). In 1981-82 the trust received a grant
of $28,000. That item has been deleted with an annotation to the effect that the
sum has been transferred to item C5, General Grants to Environment Organizations.
I believe that the National Trust, as the premier and pioneer organization of con-
cerned environmentalists, deserves separate recognition by specific mention in the
Budget and a guarantee by Parliament that it will continue to receive public funding
for its important task. Some of those tasks must lead men of integrity to clash
publicly with other men of integrity about the goals of government. Though I never
waver in my loyalty to the present Government, I agree with the position taken by
the National Trust on questions such as Parramatta Park, rain forests or the refur-
bishing of the Treasury building-though    I disagree on the demolition of the State
Bank building. I believe that every member of Parilament should stand up and speak
for the rights of people and dissent from the Government. I should hate to see
publicly-funded bodies being expected to be loyal to the Government that provides
their funds.

        What I have seen in my four years in this Parliament has convinced me
more than ever before that intervention by the Government is required in the economy.
All of the trials and tribulations of seeing a reform government come to grips with
administering the economy convinces me that only socialist philosophies will solve
the problems of New South Wales. I conclude by paying tribute to the work of
my colleagues on the Gladesville State electorate council who have worked vigorously
in the past four years and who have paid me the honour of coming to the Parliament
tonight and being present in the public gallery.

        Mr ROZZOLI (Hawkesbury), Deputy Leader of the Opposition E9.301: I
should have liked to commence my speech by congratulating the Treasurer on intro-
ducing his first budget. The Minister, while occupying the Sport and Recreation port-
folio, built up a formidable reputation over his in-depth knowledge in that area and
for the cool and calm manner in which he administered his department. However, it is
obvious from his presentation of the Budget and his explanation of that document
that the Treasurer is unable to cope with the Government's budgetary problems. That
is not necessarily a criticism of the capabilities of the Treasurer; it is a realization
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of the impossible position in which the Government has placed itself and the un-
suitability of its philosophy in attempting to deal with the present crisis. It is not
so much that the Treasurer has let down the Government, but that the Government has
let down the Treasurer. I could not disagree more with the closing remark of the
honourable member for Gladesville that only a socialist philosophy could provide
the solutions for the present problems of this State. Heaven help us if a socialist
philosophy is being employed to solve the State's problems.
        New South Wales has been plunged into a situation of economic despair in
the past six years. The State is almost in a situation of non-government from which
it will take a long time to extricate itself. In a time of stringent economic circum-
stances and high unemployment one would have imagined that the Budget would
have been all about employment. However, it does nothing to stimulate employment
in any sector. The Budget does not even have the saving grace of this year's federal
Budget, which gave some relief to people on low incomes who need assistance des-
perately. The Government is like a poorly managed business that is running out
of ideas, that is working from instinct and keeping a facade of business as usual,
that is surviving by cutting its services to customers and working angles to the detriment
of its customers and to itself.
        I shall deal with some general issues, namely, employment, local government,
assistance for the disabled and a number of matters of a local electoral nature. One
should have imagined that the Budget would have been all about employment because
of the crises that beset New South Wales at this time, the increasing number of people
unable to get jobs and those who are being retrenched. That number has reached
its highest level for many years. One would have imagined the strategy underlying
the Budget would have been aimed at solving that problem. The Budget does not
contain any assistance or hope for those who are either out of employment or on the
periphery of the work force, those persons who are likely to lose their jobs in the
near future.
        Mr Bedford: Recently the Opposition opposed a bill that will create a great
deal of employment.
       Mr ROZZOLI: The Opposition opposed that bill vehemently because it was a
bad measure. It should not have been brought before the House. That bill was
designed to set aside the planning process; it denied completely the rights of the
people. The Opposition opposed that measure on those grounds. The number of jobs
that may flow from that legislation will not offset the vast number of jobs lost in the
State by the economic disaster into which this Government has plunged New South
Wales. The Government bears a great deal of responsibility for the high level of
unemployment in this State.
       Mr Bedford: That is rubbish. That is the fault of the federal Government.
        Mr ROZZOLI: One wonders whether the Wran Government ever takes responsi-
bility for anything. When criticism is levelled at this Government during question
time honourable members hear Ministers say that it is not this Government's fault,
that it is the fault of the Fraser Government. I have been a member of this House
for ten years. That is long enough for one to realize that if one can foist the blame on
to someone else one does SO. That is the name of the game. But that wears thin when
this Government refuses to take responsibility for anything. Doubtless Government
supporters have often heard the public say that no government, no matter how
incompetent it might be, is always wrong. NO Opposition is always wrong. This
Government would have the Opposition believe that everything the Government does
is right and everything that the Fraser Government does is wrong. The Minister for
Planning and Environment knows that is a lot of hooey.
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        A government that represents a State as large as New South Wales, with a huge
budget and a big work force has to share the responsibility for what is happening
to the economy. If a business gets tired and runs out of imaginative ideas, it seeks
to survive by pulling in its endeavours and hoping that something will rescue it. Any
business can be successful in good times; a business that is well run survives the bad
times. I doubt whether this Government will survive with the economic policies that
it is pursuing.

       I refer honourable members to some matters that affect employment. I accept
that the Commonwealth is affected by international pressures that undoubtedly have
repercussions on the national economy. I accept also that the federal Government
can adopt initiatives in an attempt to combat the problems. However, this Government
also bears its share of the responsibility. The Government claims that until this year it
has not raised taxes. That misrepresents the true situation. Until this Budget the
Government has not introduced any new charges that bear the name tax; it had not
increased by a mathematical exercise the rates of any particular tax. However, over
the years it has raised a wide range of rates and charges, which are taxes by another
name. It does not matter how the Government gets its revenue. If it charges for any
service it imposes a form of taxation. If it does not place a charge on a service, it is
bearing a cost that it accepts as one of the responsibilities of government.

         Any charge the Government puts on its services is a tax. The Government
has raised taxes. In particular, it has raised savagely, in real terms, the rates of two
taxes that affect employment, payroll tax and land tax. If the Government had integrity
in tax matters, it would have indexed the level of payroll tax so that businesses
previously exempt or subject to the taper provisions would still be in the same relative
positions as they were in 1976 when the Government was elected to office. That
relativity has been destroyed. Many businesses that were not subject to payroll tax in
1976 are now paying that tax. That makes it difficult for them to maintain employ-
ment. The same comment applies to land taxes. The former Liberal Party-Country
Party Government lifted land tax on residential properties. A total exemption applied.
Also, there was a total exemption for rural properties other than properties run on a
company basis. However, the average rural landholder was not subject to land tax.
Some other concessions were granted. In the 1975 Budget the exemption level rose
from $21,000 to $30,000, and the taper provisions were increased from $30,000 to
        If the Government were true to its claim that it has not raised taxes in the
past six years, it would have indexed the exemption level and taper provisions applying
to land tax. With the rise in land values, the exemption level would now be about
$60,000 and the taper would extend to about $1 00,000. The same argument applies
to payroll tax. Increased wages have dragged many businesses into a payroll tax
bracket. The Government is now taxing many firms that were not formerly subject
to payroll tax. Surely that is an increase in taxation.

       It might be fair to increase payroll and land taxes if the people affected could
carry the extra cost and if the economy were sufficiently buoyant to ensure that such
increases would not lead to a decline in employment. However, employment has
declined through increased taxes. The capacities of many businesses, large and small,
to retain the same number of employees has been diminished. Two years ago
a business might have employed twelve persons; it probably now has eight employees.
Members on the Government side of the House who do not believe that obviously need
to move round the community and learn of the plight of the unemployed.
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        Recently I attended a function with members of the Auctioneers and Valuers
Association who, by the definition of their businesses, are all small businessmen. I was
told that it was common to find that the combined onslaught of payroll tax for
businesses employing about a dozen people and land tax on properties that had become
subject to that tax because of increases in valuations had meant that the businesses
that were unable to pass on these costs, could not sell their products at a higher price
and thexefore could not increase turnover. The market can take only a limited
increase in turnover because of the relationship between supply and demand. The only
way businesses could maintain their position at a time of falling profitability was to
retrench st&. Those two taxes create unemployment.
        In determining budget strategy one must take into account all that has happened
in the past twelve months. Though the public has not been fooled, the Government
considered that it had acted in a clever fashion by introducing the petrol tax and
diesel tax before the Budget was brought down. That enabled the Government to
say that only one tax was included in the Budget-the         financial institutions duty.
However, to that must be added the increase in corporate charges, the petrol and
diesel fuel tax and the mammoth increases in electricity charges, which are approxi-
mately 100 per cent for commercial properties. When those matters are taken into
account, one has a budget strategy that is aimed at creating unemployment.
       What can be done in a budget to try to stimulate employment in the com-
munity? One can increase exemptions from payroll tax and land tax. The Govern-
ment could have removed the 1 per cent surcharge on payrolls of more than $1
million a year and expressed some confidence in the economy of New South Wales
and in the capacity of people to work, and by achieving higher productivity levels,
balance the Budget. I have always been somewhat critical of Treasury thinking in
New South Wales and in the Commonwealth sphere. With all the good intentions in
the world, Treasury officials are not good business people. They do not understand
the cut and thrust of business whereby one survives upon the fruits of productivity.
        The Treasury views increased finance only in terms of increased taxation. The
most simple philosophy of business is that if one can increase turnover by lowering
the price of the commodity that is for sale, in many cases one can increase profitability,
depending upon whether it is done satisfactorily. To substantiate that philosophy one
need consider only the enormous number of products that sell for less than a dollar,
have expensive television advertising campaigns, big turnovers and corresponding
profits. The Government rejects that philosophy, and the Budget is lacking on that
score. Everything the Government has done has been a result of panic and a n
endeavour to try to plug the leaks in the sinking ship in the hope that good times and
fair winds will bring it back into calmer waters. The economic upturn will not come
that quickly. As a result of the Budget New South Wales is in for a tough time in the
next twelve months.
       I should refer briefly to the Budget allocation for the Department of Youth
and Community Services, especially as it affects the disabled. Last year, the Inter-
national Year of the Disabled Person, one would have expected a change of heart by
the Government in its provision of aid for disabled persons. If ever one has witnessed
    exhibition of callousness and of forgetting the plight of the 400 000 disabled
persons in New South Wales, it is evident in this Budget. The Government should feel
ashamed of the harsh treatment it has handed out to the disabled people of New
South Wales.
      Lest anyone think I am exaggerating, I point out that the total budget for cam-
munity services for 1981-82 was $9.96 million. It must be remembered that last
year another $250,000 was allocated for the International Year of the Disabled
    Mr Rozzoli]
                                         Appropriation Bill-20   October, 1982       1909

Person. That allocation is not repeated in this year's Budget. From the amount of
$9.96 million disabled persons received benefits of $1.75 million. This year's Budget
allocates $2.15 million for this purpose, which is an increase of 13 per cent but a
reduction in real terms. One must use as a benchmark the fact that expenditure in
this area commenced only in 1979 and the programme started with a low base alloca-
tion. In those circumstances it takes some time to raise the allocation to an effective
level. I contrast that with the allocation in this year's Budget for Aboriginal affairs. I
am not critical of that allocation or of others, for I am sure they are warranted.
Aboriginal assistance grants have been increased substantially from $40,000 to $5
million. Such an increase is needed to provide significantly more than a token
expenditure, as the allocation for handicapped persons was when it was first made.
There are approximately 150 000 Aboriginals in New South Wales, and 400 000
disabled persons.

       I deal next with programmes for persons who are deemed to be disadvantaged.
The allocation in last year's Budget for youth refuges and women's refuges was
$2.8 million. This year it has been increased by $2.7 million, a rise of almost 100
per cent. The allocation to the Community Development Fund has increased by
$1.4 million, from $4.3 million, which is a rise of 20 per cent. The allocation for
homeless persons increased by $1.8 million from $600,000, or 400 per cent. When one
compares those figures with a decrease of 4.6 per cent in real terms in the funds
provided for handicapped persons one sees that the Government has treated disabled
persons poorly. There are two other areas in which funds are made available to handi-
capped persons. One youth and community service education programme accounts
for $400,000 and an unidentifiable sum is being set aside for special education
teachers and teachers' aides.

       The Budget provides little for disabled persons. I have had long association
with organizations working to help the disabled, and make no apology for feeling
strongly about the way in which they are being treated. Less than twelve months
after the International Year of the Disabled Person it is absolutely scandalous
that the Government should be so miserable in its budgetary allocations to those
who do not choose their handicap, who are deserving of help, who have little freedom
in what they can do and who, in many cases, are able to maintain little dignity.

        One assumes that prisoners who are serving g a d sentences are doing so
because they have erred against society. Time and again we are told that the price
they must pay is absence of freedom. They should not be treated like animals; they
should be allowed to retain their dignity. I do not contest those notions. However,
when one compares the amount the Government spends on prisoners with the amount
it spends on disabled persons, who to some extent are prisoners of circumstance,
the result is disheartening. Many disabled persons are compelled by the nature of
their disabilities to live in institutions that offer services and conditions inferior to
those found in some prisons. Though I do not denigrate what has been done to
improve the conditions of prisoners, I contrast the treatment of pfisoaers with that of
the disabled, my aim being to bring home to the Government, which does not under-
stand the position, the fact that many deserving people in the community are not
getting from the State Government the help that they deserve. Other disadvantaged
groups have not been treated badly. The Government has been able to find money for
them. That is good, but if disabled persons are to be treated in the same way as
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other disadvantaged groups, the Budget allocation for the disabled should be not $2.15
million but approaching $15 million. The expenditure of a sum of money of that
order could provide many benefits for the disadvantaged.

        The perilous state into which the Budget has thrown local government has been
mentioned a number of times in this debate. The abolition of the local government
assistance fund and the heavy cuts in pensioner rebates, taken with the two matters to
which I adverted earlier-electricity charges and taxes on petroleum products-have
placed a heavy impost on local government. The State Government shrugs it off
saying it is the problem of local government authorities. Local government must
face the acrimony and hostility of the ratepayers. The Treasurer's pathetic defence
of the effect of the Government's budget strategy on local government highlights the
point with which I commenced my speech. The Treasurer does not understand the
budgetary process or the implications of what he does. I feel s o w for him; he is a
nice fellow and he deserves a better fate than the Government has dished out to

       As in all these situations, the Budget has had far reaching Statewide and local
consequences. I looked through the Budget in vain for specific assistance to my
electorate, in particular, assistance for the Hawkesbury District Hospital. The Minister
for Health has talked about the provision of hospital beds and better health care for
the west. The electorate o Hawkesbury is held by a Liberal Party member, and so it
is convenient to forget that that electorate also is situated in the west and has a hospital
with urgent requirements.

     Mr Beckroge: After the next elections a Labor Party member will represent
Hawkesbury, and the electorate will be looked after properly.

        Mr ROZZOLI: The honourable member for Broken Hill will be trying for
many years. The Opposition will win his seat before the Government wins mine.
Pr2m to 1976 when the Labor Government came to power the Hawkesbury District
Hospital was high on the priority list. However, the Labor Government took the
money that was to be allocated to that hospital and used it for projects in the Casino
electorate to bolster the election prospects o the local member. The parlous financial
position of the New South Wales Government has been brought about largely because
of the Government's attempts to shore up marginal seats. Political history has proven
over and over again that no matter how much one tries to bolster votes artificially,
eventually the electorate turns. That turn is occurring now. Many people in New
South Wales agree that the Government will be fortunate to survive at the next

       The Budget does not provide su6cient funds for much needed work on schools
in my electorate. I have not got time in this debate to go into that matter in detail.
I wish to refer also to the parlous state of the New South Wales police force. The
Budget is supposed to provide for the appointment of an additional 500 policemen,
but there will not be 500 extra policemen appointed. Information given supplementary
to the Budget will disclose that the State will be fortunate if fifty additional policemen
are appointed. There is an appalling lack of police strength in the Hawkesbury

        Mr SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member has exhausted his time.

        Debate adjourned on motion by Mr McGowan.
                             Bills Returned-Adjournment-20      October, 1982      1911

                                 BILLS RETURNED
         The following bills were returned from the Legislative Council without amend-
ment :
           Coal and Oil Shale Mine Workers (Superannuation) Further Amend-
                ment Bill
           Prisoners (Interstate Transfer) Bill

                        Goulburn Electorate Railway Crossings
      Mr BEDFORD (Cabramatta), Minister for Planning and Environment [10.2]:
I move:
         That this House do now adjourn.
        Mr BREWER (Goulburn) [10.2]: I wish to refer to the tragic accident that
occurred last Thursday at Wingello railway crossing, near the 117 kilometres peg from
Sydney. I am grateful to the Minister for Transport for being present in the Chamber
while I speak on this matter. Safety aspects of the Wingello and Penrose railway
gates and the Bundanoon pedestrian crossing have been a matter of extreme concern
for some considerable time. On 4th December, 1981, the Minister for Transport gave
an undertaking to proceed with plans and specifications for a regulated crossing at
Wingello provided that the Wingecarribee shire council acknowledged its responsi-
bility to contribute its share of the cost. The council replied to the Minister's letter
and asked when it would have to provide its share of those funds.
       The type of accident that occurred last Thursday was what was expected might
occur at either the Wingello or Penrose railway crossing, although Penrose is regarded
as the more dangerous crossing o the two. The Minister for Transport wrote to me on
30th December and advised that he had given priority status for the crossing, and that
plans and specifications were being prepared. I have a petition from 975 residents
of the districts of Wingello, Penrose and Bundanoon expressing concern that the
accident occurred. These districts form a close-knit community. It is to be hoped
that a similar accident does not happen again at Wingello or Penrose before the
proposed work can be completed.
        The Bundanoon crossing bisects the township, as do the vehicular crossings
at Wingello and Penrose. Though the Penrose crossing is probably the more danger-
ous of the two, and the sighting time of trains is less at Penrose than Wingello, there
is a lot of traffic at the Wingello crossing because of the direct link with the Hume
Highway between Paddy's River and what is known as the Highlands Way at Wingello.
The sighting of approaching trains at the level crossing is quite bad. Some sighting
times were taken at the Wingello crossing. Those who did the testing used the
approaching sighting of the XPT train from both the eastern and western sides of the
line. I shall provide that information to the Minister. At Wingello, the time lapse
between first sighting the approach of the northbound XPT train and its arrival at the
level crossing, when viewed by a person sitting in the driver's seat of a motor car
stopped at the level crossing stop sign-
         Mr Cox: What speed is the honourable member talking about?
         Mr BREWER: This is the XPT train.
      Mr Cox: That is the normal train speed. Other trains besides the XPT train
do 95 kilometres an hour. That is what the XPT train is doing.

        Mr BREWER: The recording of approaching train sighting times was done
with the XPT train. The people who did the test said that the train was slow.
There may be a couple of reasons for that. I am aware that the track was under
maintenance. The testers said the XPT train was not travelling fast. I am merely
pointing out what a bad crossing it is. The sighting time of the approaching north-
bound train when seen by a person sitting in the driver's seat of a car at the level
crossing stop sign is 8.5 seconds. That is, from the time the train was first sighted
until it arrived at the crossing. That means that there would not be very much time
to avert a tragedy such as that which occurred last Thursday when the people in the car
that was stxuck were unable to hear the train. The northbound XPT train is sighted
8.5 seconds before it arrives at the crossing, and southbound the travelling time is
11.75 seconds. I d e r these time recordings to the Minister as a guide.

        A great deal of traffic crosses the line, coming from the Hume Highway to
the Highlands Way. People come to view the scenic beauties of the area. Many
tourist buses use the crossing. It is fortunate indeed that it was not a tourist bus that
was involved in the accident. One week before a tourist bus had a close shave there.
Semitrailers engaged in the timber industry often use that crossing. The road on the
eastern side of the railway line is such that if a semi-trailer with the normal regulatory
length of 55 feet were to cross the line and be met by a vehicle coming on its right
so that it had to stop, there would be at least 10 feet of the semi-trailer on the railway
line. These facts emphasize how bad the crossing is. I have been asked to place before
the Minister figures in regard to the approach sighting times of trains at the Penrose
crossing also, although I shall not traverse the details of that now. It is a worse
crossing for sighting approaching trains.

        One d the important points about this section of the railway line is that it
lies between Moss Vale and Medway Junction, perhaps one of the most heavily
trafficked parts of the main southern line because of the livestock trains, fast goods
and passenger trains coming up and down from the coast to Medway sidings. I
ask, and the petition of the residents of the area requests, that the Minister expedite
the installation of the flashing lights and warning bell system that has been approved
for Wingdlo and, at the same time, expedite similar treatment for the Bundanoon
and Penrose crossings. Some time ago in his reply to me in the House and by way of
letter the Minister said that the Bundancron crossing would be attended to early in the
new year but that, as yet, Penrose is not on the priority list. In the interest of safety
to the community I ask the Minister to acknowledge that both those crossings are
dangerous, perhaps worse than most others, and give them special attention. To
assist the Minister in his deliberations I hand to him the petition presented to me,
together with the details of approaching train sighting times as recorded by local

        Mr COX (Auburn), Minister for Transport [ 0 1 ] I shall deal first with the
Penrose level crossing. The interdepartmental level crossing committee has recom-
mended the installation of flashing lights and the local council has asked that they be
given a higher priority. The committee will examine the matter on 28th October. I
shall advise the honourable member of the result of its deliberations. In relation to
the Bundanoon pedestrian level crossing, the committee has recommended that flashing
lights be installed within six months. I am following up that matter closely. I shall let
the honourable member know the result of my inquiries about the Bundanoon
pedestrian level crossing.
                   Adjournment-Questions     upon N o t i c e 2 0 October, 1982   1913

        I have asked the State Rail Authority to give me an urgent report on the fatal
accident that occurred at Wingello. I shall be interested in the coroner's inquiry into
the fatality. In those circumstances I cannot say much about it, except that I am
upset that it occurred. One thing that disturbs me is that the XPT train has been
invoIved in two fatal accidents. One must keep in mind that the XPT train was going
through the area at only 95 kilometres an hour, which was the normal speed for
trains in the area. If we did not have the XPT train, some other train would have
been travelling through the area at a similar speed. So the accident was not caused
by high speed. I realize that there are some problems in this area, but I inform the
honourable member that there are 2 200 level crossings in New South Wales and it
would cost $1,200 million to eliminate them. We do not have that sort of money.
        At a meeting of ATAC-which        is a meeting of State transport Ministers and
the federal Minister-I      sought additional funds to implement a programme that
I put before the meeting, to eliminate these level crossings. I regret that the proposal
was not favourably received by the federal Minister. I am not using that as an
excuse. The problem of level crossings needs to be resolved on a national level.
I reiterate that I shall keep the honourable member informed about the level crossings
at Penrose and Bundanoon. I regret the fatality that occurred at Wingello. I shall
be interested in the coroner's inquiry in relation to that matter. I have asked the
State Rail Authority to give me a comprehensive report about the accident there.
       Motion agreed to.

                           House adjourned at 10.13 p.m.

                           QUESTIONS UPON NOTICE
      The following questions upon notice and answers were circulated in Questions
and Answers this day.

                        PETROL AND DIESEL FUEL TAX
  Mr FISCHER asked the Treasurer-
      Under what legal basis have the border exemption zones been established in
      respect of the Business Franchise Licences (Petroleum Products) Act, 19827

      As in the case of the Business Franchise Licences (Tobacco) Act the exemption
      in relation to border areas and the zone concessional aIIowances are provided by
      way of Act of Grace remissions.

  Mr T. 5. MOORE asked the Minister for Housing, Minister for Co-operative
     Societies and Minister Assisting the Premier-
      (1) What contracts, since October 1978, have been entered into by each
      Department or statutory body under his Ministerial control with Permasteel
      Industries Pty Limited?
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       (2) What was the value of each such contract?
       ( 3 ) What was the value of the work performed under any such contract within
       the State Electoral Division of Wakehurst?

       (1) None of the departments within my administration has entered into
       contracts since October, 1978, with Permasteel Industries Pty Limited.
       (2) Not applicable.
       (3) Not applicable.

  Dr METHERELL asked the Minister for Transport-
       (1) How many ferries crashed into wharves in (a) 1980-81, (b) 1981-82?
       (2) Will he consider, as a matter of urgency, the fitting of special safety buffers
       at Sydney wharves in view of the number of ferry accidents involving collisions
       with wharves?
       (3) Has a new design for a safety buffer been proposed for Manly Wharf as
       a result of a recent ferry accident?
       (4) Will he investigate the suitability of this design for Manly and other

       (1) During berthing manoeuvres there have been occasions when wharves have
       been subjected to heavier than usual lateral loads and there have been incidents
       in which vessels have over-run dead-end berths and have been brought up on the
       specially constructed wooden buffers designed for that purpose. Specifically,
       during 1980-81, four such incidents occurred and three during 1981-82.
        (2) All dead-end ferry berths are provided with such buffers.
       ( 3 ) The safety buffer currently proposed for the eastern side of Manly wharf
       is a result of building development by the Amusement Pier at the inner end of
       the berth which has rendered ineffective the existing safety buffer arrangement.
        Both the Urban Transit Authority and the Maritime Services Board have insisted
        on replacement by an alternative system which the Amusement Pier is propos-
        ing would be of an, as yet, unproven arrestor wire device.
        The Board and the Authority have an open mind on the device which has been
        designed by a firm of Sydney based Design Engineers.
        (4) The existing arrangement of wooden buffers at ferry wharves has proven
        to be adequate over the years. However, should the arrestor wire type be
        installed at Manly, its suitability will be closely monitored with a view to
        installation at other locations.
                                Questions upon Notice-20    October, 1982      1915

Mr HATTON asked the Minister for Transport-
    (1) What are the details of registration, transfer of ownership in the last four
    years of a Porsche motor car engine No. XJ 001276, registration No. KPJ 953?
    (2) What are the details of valuation duty paid to the Department of Motor
    Transport on this vehicle on each of the occasions it was transferred?
    (3) What are the dates of transfer of ownership in regard to this motor vehicle?

    (1) According to the registration records of the Department of Motor Trans-
    port, Porsche motor car engine No. XJ001276 has never been registered in
    New South Wales.
    At the date of entry of Question 294 on the Notice Paper, and at the date of
    preparation of this answer, plates KPJ 953 were in issue in respect to a Honda
    motor car.
    (2) Not applicable.
    (3 ) Not applicable.

Mr HATTON asked the Minister for Transport-
    (1) When was a Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL car with Iiegistration No. AM 165
    and Engine No. 117986/22/048578 registered?
    (2) What are the details relating to registered owners and transfer of ownership
    from 1 January, 1980 to 1 January, 1983?
    (3) What is the latest information that the Department has in regard to the
    present owner and location of vehicle?
    (4) What are the dates of transfer of ownership in regard to this motor vehicle?
    (5) What are details of valuation duty paid to the Department of Motor
    Transport on each occasion ownership was transferred?

    (1) An original registration of Mercedes-Benz motor car, engine No. 117986/
    22/048578, as AM 165 was effected on 3 January, 1980, in the name of
    Marshalls Motors 1935 Pty Ltd of 312 Church Street, Granville.
    (2) The registration was transferred to John L. Pier1 :Pty Ltd of 170 Toon-
    gabbie Road, Girraween, on 9 January, 1980. At the date of preparation of
    this answer the registration was still in that name. However, as a result of two
    authorized exchanges of number plates, the registration number has been
    JP 666 since 11 January, 1980.
1916     ASSEMBLY--Questions upon Notice

       (5) The amount of stamp duty paid in respect of the only transfer of registra-
       tion that has been effected, i.e., the transfer to John L. Pierce Pty Ltd on 9
       January, 1980, was $1,040.

                              SEARCH WARRANTS
  Mr DOWD asked the Minister for Transport-
       Which New South Wales Acts, regulations and statutory instruments, under his
       administration, permit the issue of warrants to enter and search premises?

       There are no Acts, regulations or statutory instruments under the administra-
       tion of the Minister for Transport which would permit the issue of warrants
       to enter and search premises.

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