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									Patrolling 101 - Part I - Target Indicators in forum Individual and Small Unit
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Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 07-24-2006 08:52 PM07-24-2006 08:52

In order for us to discuss how to move during a patrol – and particularly during a
patrol in a ―denied area‖ – we must first discuss Target Indicators – which means
things that will give you away – and avoidance measures for the target indicators.

Below we will discuss ―8SCM‖ which are all target indicators – to violate one or more
of the following is asking to compromised:

1. SHAPE - In nature – you‘ll find precious few squares/rectangles and triangles.
However – just about everything man made is comprised of those shapes. We need
to either rid ourselves of those shapes – or use camouflage to disguise those shapes.
That is why it is so important to camo one‘s rifle – to break up its shape. So – camo
EVERYTHING. Note: BLACK is NOT a camo color. Camo colors are primarily greens,
tans and greys. Just look at your AO – and you‘ll see what colors are predominant.

2. SHINE – Believe it or not – skin shines in sunlight and moonlight. So – cammie
your face! Cover as much skin as you can with clothing, wear a hat of some type
(the ―boonie hat‖ is an excellent choice as it does a good job of disguising shape as
well as providing cover for the skin). Also – DON‘T wear your USGI angle-head
flashlight on your ―H‖ harness – as the flat plastic lens is a great reflector of SHINE.
Wrist watches need to be covered – a ―sweat band‖ works great for that – but if you
are wearing flight gloves to patrol with the cuff will cover the wrist watch too. Some
ALICE and older gear has metal buttons – those need to be dulled with a flat paint –
paint the fastex buckles on your newer gear, etc. Be sure and use FLAT paint! And
remember – NO BLACK!

3. SITING – We have all looked at something – and our subconscious mind has told
us ―something isn‘t right here – something is out of place‖ – and then we look harder
to figure out what is ―un-natural‖. This is ―siting‖. We must blend into our
surroundings to the point we don‘t look ―out of place‖. Having dry wheat grass stuck
into our clothing while walking through a maple tree forest would be an extreme
example. The dry wheat grass would look ―out of place‖ – this is ―siting‖. We must
blend into our surroundings. Man made shapes look ―out of place‖ in nature – we
must blend into our surroundings.

4. SHADOW – it is easier to hide in shadows than it is in the light – but shadow can
be your enemy too. Lets say you are standing behind a brick wall outside – if the sun
is at the right angle – it will cast your shadow out into the street/alleyway – thus
giving your position away. Lighted hallways can do the same thing. If you are hiding
behind a tree – your shadow can give you away….

5. SILHOUETTE – ―Skylining‖ is another name for Silhouette – imagine someone
standing on a ridge and you are down in a valley – the person the ridge will stick out
like a sore thumb. NEVER walk along a ridge or on the top edge of a building! Stay
down from the top of the ridge – and back from the edge of a building. One can also
silhouette one‘s self against lakes, a flat field or anything that is the same color and
basically flat in shape.

6. SPACING – particularly when trying to hide – if each of you are 15 meters apart
– that is ―human spacing‖ – nature doesn‘t do ANYTHING 15 meters apart. Nature is
―random‖ – ―human spacing‖ is a pattern waiting to be discovered. In ―classic‖
military fashion – men are to be spaced about 5 meters apart. However – to be more
―natural‖ – have your spacing be such that you can see two men ahead and two men
behind you. That way you can pass hand and arm signals up and down – but your
spacing will vary with the terrain – which will help with the ―spacing‖ issue.

7. SOUND – You know what a guy sounds like that is whistling like a bird?? A guy
whistling like bird! LOL Sound can give you away too.
Coughing/burping/farting/slapping/piss hitting the ground are all violations of
―sound‖. So – too bad gents – but we must be on our best behavior while on a
mission. Actions being opened/shut – magazines being inserted/removed – Velcro
ripping apart – talking – whispering – breaking branches – chopping
(machete‘s/hatchets) – digging (e-tools) – walking like Frankenstien (thumping) –
are all violations. If it is too quiet – in other words there are no bugs buzzing and
birds chirping – THAT is a ―sound‖ indicator too! Before a patrol – jump up and down
in full gear – do some ―Jumping Jacks‖ – to check for sound violations with your
gear. Typically slings/sling swivels are big violators. Half full canteens are big

8. SMELL – Smokers are some of the worst violators of this. Even if they aren‘t
smoking – their gear and clothes smell like smoke. Chewing tobacco – when spit –
leaves behind a ―smell‖ as well as a ―siting‖ violation. Tooth paste, shaving cream,
deodorant - ANYTHING that is scented – is a smell violation. Human waste hastily
dug is a small violation. Piss on the ground is a smell violation. Most gun oils have
high scent factor. The olfactory senses on a smoker are not as acute as a non-
smoker – meaning smokers noses don‘t work as well as a non-smokers nose does.
So – non-smokers are better at picking up on violations than smokers. (If you smoke
– QUIT! If not for your sake – for your team-mates!)

9. COLOR – wearing ―black‖ is a huge violation of the ―color‖ part of camo. Wearing
woodland camo in the artic is just as bad. Wear clothes that most closely match the
AO where you will be operating. Remember – the colors of the AO change sometimes
from week to week – but definitely over the months as seasons change. Background
colors in an U.S. urban environment – are mostly ―greys‖ – but to wear ―grey
coveralls‖ would also look ―out of place‖ – causing a ―siting‖ violation. So – dress

10. MOVEMENT – We saved the most dangerous one for last. You can violate one of
the above – maybe even two of the above – and still remain undetected. You violate
this one (MOVEMENT) – and you WILL be seen. Even if you don‘t violate any of the
others above – you violate this one (MOVEMENT) and you WILL be seen. Once you
are ―set‖ in a position – DON‘T MOVE. If skeeters are biting your face – let them
dine. If ants are crawling up your back – let them dine. If you have to pee – hold it
or piss your pants where you sit. While scanning – move your eyes – keep head
motions to a minimum. If you MUST move – think about your movements FIRST –
then move SLOWLY. Remember – an object that doesn‘t move may be impossible to
detect – a very slow moving object will be hard to detect – and FAST/QUICK moving
object WILL be seen.

To violate any of the above is asking to get caught. DON‘T VIOLATE ANY OF THE

Watch for when the enemy violates one or more of the above!

Part II will cover individual gear preparation.

Any questions about any of the above??


tire iron

Posted by zeroedin (Member # 2857) on 10-14-2006 11:40 AM10-14-2006 11:40

TI, I in N_O way intend to distract from the value of this input.

But, in an effort to elaborate & help "visualize", there's a SUPURB Video at
"YOUTUBE", by the SAS. It's an hour long re-enactment of an action that took place
in the Fauklins War, & it demos ALL that you describe. R_E_A_L_L_Y SUPURB!

I'll go and "cut/paste" the URL into the next "Quick Reply" window...I'm sure you'll
appreciate the VISUALIZATION of your well stated material.

Posted by zeroedin (Member # 2857) on 10-14-2006 11:45 AM10-14-2006 11:45

In the case that this LINK doesn't "take", just go to the site, & type in
SAS Video. THAT should bring it up!

Posted by Yankee Canuck (Member # 3059) on 12-26-2006 06:03 PM12-26-2006
06:03 PM:

How close is a human's awareness to that of an animals?

As in, if you were wearing Leafy-Man camo from Cabela's akin to when you're
hunting and also partially obscured in brush, is the basic human notion and instinct
to pick out differences in the environment similar to say, a deer? Is wearing 3D camo
any better than just standard milspec cammies, for normal ops? ( I mean in terms of
possible militia ops, not military.)
Posted by Wyrm (Member # 1514) on 12-26-2006 09:28 PM12-26-2006 09:28 PM:


Originally posted by Yankee Canuck:
How close is a human's awareness to that of an animals?

No comparison. The DULLEST forest animal is about a hundred times more aware
than your average person.


is the basic human notion and instinct to pick out differences in the environment
similar to say, a deer? Is wearing 3D camo any better than just standard milspec
cammies, for normal ops? ( I mean in terms of possible militia ops, not military.)

The human eye is drawn to contrasts of color and movement. And I think it's in that
order, too.

Posted by REDBONZ (Member # 4028) on 11-29-2008 06:44 PM11-29-2008 06:44

Most animal noses are 1000 times better than a humans!

Posted by Doktor_Jeep (Member # 354) on 11-30-2008 11:02 PM11-30-2008
11:02 PM:

Yes the color Black will give you away.

If Bunny Fluffer had a rifle instead of binocs last week he could have shot me

Patrolling 101 - Part II - Individual Equipment Prep in forum Individual and
Small Unit Tactics at A Well Regulated Militia.

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Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 07-24-2006 08:55 PM07-24-2006 08:55

One MUST make certain that one has all the gear that will be needed for the mission
– but also that one doesn‘t bring too much gear too.

Gear lists MUST be used and ―checked off‖

The NUMBER ONE item that needs to be brought on EVERY patrol/training
evolution/FTX/day hike/outing, etc. is a small waterproof notebook and pencil.
Make a list of all the 1st line gear you carry. (Be sure and include EVERY item you
wear, i.e. boots/socks/trousers/etc.)

The NUMBER ONE item that needs to be brought on EVERY patrol/training
evolution/FTX/day hike/outing, etc. is a small waterproof notebook and pencil.

Make a list of the ―general‖ 2nd line gear you carry.

Make a list of the ―general‖ 3rd line gear you carry.

Once you start this you‘ll realize that you will have multiple lists for different
―general‖ missions – such as raids vs reconnaissance vs urban reconnaissance vs
CQB – as well as different environments – e.g. artic conditions vs desert conditions
vs jungle conditions – etc.

Then you will have ―mission specific‖ lists that will add to your ―general‖ lists that
you have made above.

Be like Santa and check your list once – and then check it again! It is considered
extremely poor form to show up and to have forgotten mission essential gear.

Once you have all your gear – and have checked off you list once – then gotten a
―clean‖ check-off list and gone through every item again – then you can start
preparing your gear for the mission.

The NUMBER ONE item that needs to be brought on EVERY patrol/training
evolution/FTX/day hike/outing, etc. is a small waterproof notebook and pencil.

It is a good idea to guard against water – as much as it practical – whatever
electronic gear/clothes you have. Zip-lock bags work for this – unless you need
―waterproof‖ – then you‘ll have buy the more expensive waterproof bags. Yeah they
are more expensive – but the $20 you spent on a bag means nothing when you are
on the patrol and your radio gives up cause you tried to waterproof it on the cheap
and it failed.

Be sure and DUMMY CORD ―high loss‖ items – such as compasses, multi-tools,
canteens, small flashlights, knives, etc.

Be sure ALL fasteners on ALL your gear work and are not broken.

Be sure and SILENCE any items that may rattle/squeak/etc.

Be sure to camouflage EVERYTHING.

Go over your gear. Go over it again. Go over it again. Go over it again.

Replace ALL batteries in all battery operated equipment. Be sure to start the mission
with NEW batteries in everything!

The NUMBER ONE item that needs to be brought on EVERY patrol/training
evolution/FTX/day hike/outing, etc. is a small waterproof notebook and pencil.

While out on the mission – review your gear against what was actually used – and
KEEP GOOD NOTES in your notebook. Write down what you wish you had – and what
you brought but didn‘t need. You will use this information to help modify your ―lists‖
back in the rear.

The ―gear lists‖ are ever changing/modifying. They are never ―done‖ – they are
always in various stages of completion – but never complete. You‘ll get them 95% -
but that last 5% is always changing for some reason.

If possible – before every mission you should ―function check‖ your firearms with at
least a few magazines per firearm. Then some guys clean them after that before the
mission – but some don‘t. I fall into that latter category – I figured if it worked –
don‘t mess with it.

Next is it time to ―gun up‖ – i.e. put everything on – including all ―guns‖ that will be
carried – then to some jumping jacks to do a final check on silencing of gear – and
dummy cording.

Then – if you aren‘t leaving immediately to go the mission – SECURE YOUR GEAR –
LOCK IT UP! This way you won‘t be tempted to use something from your gear and
not put it back before the mission.

Now your gear should be ―good to go‖!

Any questions??


tire iron

[ 07-25-2006, 06:49 AM: Message edited by: tire iron ]

Posted by J_T (Member # 2062) on 07-25-2006 12:41 AM07-25-2006 12:41 AM:

What's the best way to silence squeaking plastic, or other "creaking" type noises that
are hard to pin down?

Posted by Chainsaw (Member # 2870) on 07-29-2006 09:55 AM07-29-2006 09:55

gear tips, dos and donts, etc.

gear tips

laziness NEVER prevails, after outings, the first thing you should do is clean ALL of
your gear and then go over your gear one last time to inspect for any damage that
couldve taken place.

camouflage all areas of your gear that are questionable and remember as you enter
different terrian you will want to switch it up as you go.

conceal all noise makers and shiny bastards, tape up, pad, paint or replace anything
on your gear that could pose a threat. put all of your gear on and jump up and down
to ensure your gear is sound proof. if not, take off and add the finishing touch. you
will always have the swish, you are trying to get rid of the clanks, jangles etc.

dont dry your boots in direct sunlight. if your boots are totally soaked, when you get
to an area where you plan to RON, get a fire going, get some sand, dirt, or stones
and cook a pile up near the fire, when they get warm put them in your boots to dry
them (use a t shirt or any other cloth and insert into the boots before you put the
sand, or dirt in. i dont think i have to explain why) and make sure if you use stones
not to get them too hot, and dont use porous stones, again i dont think i have to
explain why.

when buying boots for use in cold weather remember to get them larger in size so
they will fit comfortably when wearing two pairs of socks (one thin, one thick).

remember to always carry an extra pair of socks and boot laces.

another piece of gear that is essential in the winter time is a good pair of gaiters,
these will stop your laces from getting clumped w/ snow and ice.

when loading up your lbe/pack remember to evenly disribute the load.

keep all extra clothing and any other essential gear that needs water proofing in
water proof bags in your pack. i use the mil issue bags.

keep all gear that could be needed along the way in the side pouches of your pack.

keep the entire load as light as possible, cancel out questionable items.

remember to carry a sewing kit to repair any damages done to clothing, lbe, etc. and
remember to include gi buttons to your kit. your kit should include buttons gi type od
green in color, thread: nylon and cotton, and various size needles. i leave scissors
out because i carry a leatherman w/ me, and even if i didnt carry a leatherman i
would still leave scissors out and i would just use my knife. remember we are trying
to keep the load as light as possible.
make sure all alice clips are locked in place.

all od green gear needs to be camouflaged as well, a touch up w/ brown spray paint
should do the trick. forget about using black, and if you have any gear w/ large
amounts of black make sure you take care of it, this includes buckles on your mag
pouches, butt packs etc. if in doubt leave as is, ive seen ppl totally ruin their gear
trying to add the "finishing touch"

only buy american or european gear. if it seems to good to be true it is.

this is all i have for now, add yours!

Posted by zeroedin (Member # 2857) on 08-11-2006 09:40 AM08-11-2006 09:40

TIREIRON; I realize this M_A_Y sound stupid...but "IGNORANCE I_S the Mother of
stupidity..." so, here gores:

Please elaborate on "waterproff note book", as it S_E_E_M_S(I might be overstating
your inthention tho...[:-)that you feel this an essential, what's the "HOW
TO" on waterproofing? I've not heard of such. I've always "ZIPLOCKED" a spiral w/
wooden pencil & rubber eraser. Is there a better option?

THANKS, BTW, for your extensive & detailed SPECIFICS, as it's VERY encouraging to
see that my research & practice has been fairly close to "righteous" in "field craft".
God Bless! And you too CHAINSAW!

Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 08-11-2006 11:54 AM08-11-2006 11:54


You gotta buy the waterproof notebook. Nearly every "tactical" online and offline
store carries them.

And I agree with you - the only stupid question is the UNasked question. Thanks for
asking - as I am 100% positive there are others that have/had the same question
but didn't ask!


tire iron

Posted by Mike11Bravo The Lurker (Member # 2891) on 08-24-2006 01:21 PM08-
24-2006 01:21 PM:
Wal-Mart sells a day planner thats water proof in the boat gear section.
T.I. it never fails whatever I cut from the list Murphy always yells "you left it and
now you need it." And it doesn't matter what the items is!

Posted by Correus (Member # 3955) on 05-23-2009 01:03 PM05-23-2009 01:03

What about Velcro?

There are a lot of BDUs and tack gear that use Velcro to fasten. Any thoughts on
reducing the noise? I am thinking of removing the Velcro on the BDUs and replacing
it with buttons.

Patrolling 101 - Part III - Individual Movement Techniques in forum
Individual and Small Unit Tactics at A Well Regulated Militia.

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Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 07-24-2006 08:56 PM07-24-2006 08:56

For how the TEAM will move and operate – check one of the following threads:

Column Formation

Wedge Formation – Bounding Overwatch

Wedge Formation – Traveling Overwatch

This article will cover Individual Movement Techniques (IMT).

First lets cover some ―DON‘T‘s‖:

DON’T use a ―machete‖ – the blade ―sings‖ for miles – and you leave behind a 4
lane highway for someone to follow.

DON’T travel on trails or roads.

DON’T talk.

There are three different categories of IMT‘s. We will go from simplest to the most

The simplest IMT is what we called the ―Herd of Elephants‖ (HoE) technique. This
was said mostly tongue in cheek – but it is the IMT that is the loudest.

This is how one dresses when performing the HoE IMT - the first photo is a Brit Royal
Marine "Recce" unit - our equivalent of USMC Bn Recon;
This photo is US Forces - Branch and unit unknown.

When loaded down if full 1st/2nd and heavy 3rd line gear – it is just too enormous of
a load to be able to be as quiet as when one is going with less gear. That is the cold
hard truth. Your body is working hard enough to carry the enormous load that it is
next to impossible to employ ―stealth‖ techniques. Sure – you try and be as quiet as
you can – but you won‘t be as quiet as when you are able to lighten your load.

That is why when a deep reconnaissance patrol is called for – the team establishes
what is known as an ORP (Objective Rally Point) – which is a place where all the 3rd
line gear is left behind with at least two men to provide security – so the
―Reconnaissance‖ element can move forward with a MUCH lighter load – and thus
employ ―stealth‖ techniques to a much greater degree.

Our second category would be used when one is just carrying 2nd line and maybe a
light 3rd line.

Something like this - this fist photo is Brit Royal Marines 42 Commando.
This is two US soldiers on patrol in Iraq.
With the lighter load – you are able to be quite a bit quieter than the HoE method.
Here you will walk – but before really stepping down hard with your foot – you will
be able to ―feel‖ under your foot and be able to stop putting weight down if you feel
a stick under your foot. The sound of a breaking stick carries quite far – and is

Don‘t break branches that you may be walking into/through. Move around them so
they don‘t break.

The Point Man (PM) needs to try and pick a route that will be the quietest, i.e. the
least amount of branches to walk on/through – but that is not always possible or
advisable – depending upon a number of factors – but it is his responsibility to pick
the best route for the team.
The last IMT is what I call the ―tiger mode‖. We have all seen pictures of a tiger
when he is stalking prey – right?? Well – that is how we want to move when we are
in ―tiger mode‖. Tiger mode is carrying minimum gear (a lot of the time I would just
have my 1st line with me along with my longarm and an extra mag or two stuffed
into my cargo pockets) – for maximum stealth with less fatigue.

Here is a shot of US Spec Ops personnel in "Tiger Mode" dress. Note that some of
them don't have any LBE/LBV - just 1st line gear with a longarm. Others are carrying
a few magazines in a chest rig - but none of them have a full blown 2nd line gear.
These guys don't *appear* to be in "Tiger Mode" - but they are in "Tiger" dress.

Tiger mode is devoid of any jerky movements. The head swivels SLOWLY on the
neck. All movements are slow, calculated, and deliberate. There is NO un-necessary
movements of any kind. You are walking in a half crouch. Your hands and arms – if
they move at all – move S-L-O-W-L-Y. Your legs – move S-L-O-W-L-Y. Watch a sloth
walk. He movements are so slow that is almost appears to not move at all. Same
with a tiger or other large cat when it is hunting/stalking. Movement is S-L-O-W –
deliberate – focused.

Every step is tested for noise before full weight is applied. The eyes are constantly
moving, scanning – near and far. The head moves very little and when it does – it is
SLOW movement – and just enough so the eyes can see what they need to see. All
senses are on ―full alert‖ – ESPECIALLY the ―sixth‖ sense – you know – when the hair
stands up on the back of your neck – and you don‘t fully know why?? Your ears are
attuned to the surrounding sounds of nature – and will pick up on the slightest

Movement speed is SLOW – deliberate – focused.

One needs to be in great shape to do the ―Tiger Mode‖. It takes a lot of strength and
stamina to do it for much more than an hour. While taking steps – stop ALL
movement with one leg in the air – as you would if you had to FREEZE. Hold that
position for a few minutes. Then go on for a few minutes – then freeze with the other
leg in mid step. Do that for a while to build up your muscles and to improve your
balance. Do it in full 2nd line to turn it into an exercise that will build up the right

Any questions??


tire iron

Posted by zeroedin (Member # 2857) on 08-11-2006 12:36 PM08-11-2006 12:36

Just want you to know that I just spent the last 30 min. copy/paste'n ALL that I
could from yours & C.M. Wolf's counsels on everything from Patrolling to Long Shot
to OODA Loop...and It's BETTER than G_R_E_A_T! Thanks guys!

I P_R_A_Y to never need this counsel, but THANK GOD that I've been able to obtain
it so as to better enable me to either "DO IT!", or help others to.

OBVIOUSLY, just reading doesn't get one anywhere tangible, and so I will PUT FEET
TO YOUR COUNSELS & "Practice till I CAN'T do it wrong!"

As Col. David "Hack" Hackworth put it:
"Blood, sweat & tears on the Practice Field prevents blood sweat & tears on the
battle field". Maybe not so much the sweat...but, you get his jist[:-)Ha!

Thanks again podna!

Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 08-11-2006 01:24 PM08-11-2006 01:24

You are very much welcome - and thanks for the kind words.


tire iron

Posted by Yankee Canuck (Member # 3059) on 12-26-2006 05:52 PM12-26-2006
05:52 PM:

Tire Iron,

That first Photo...that's a lot of gear! Do they actually CARRY that all on patrol? I
think my KIT is smaller than that.

Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 12-27-2006 08:44 AM12-27-2006 08:44

I have personally patroled loads that nearly outweighed me. My ruck weighed in a
120 lbs. - plus 40 lbs of other gear - and I weighed 170 at the time.

Believe me - it SUCKED big time. If you found yourself off your feet - either while
resting or maybe you fell - you found yourself 'turtling' - you couldn't get back on
your feet - but were rather like a turtle on his back. Most of the time you needed
either a team-mate or a small tree to grab onto to get you back to your feet.


tire iron

Posted by BoldFenianMan (Member # 3084) on 05-11-2007 05:08 PM05-11-2007
05:08 PM:

I had trouble with a couple of the links above, but I found tire Iron stuff here....great
stuuf check it out!

Posted by DanD (Member # 3411) on 05-11-2007 07:50 PM05-11-2007 07:50 PM:

thanks TI

Posted by apetite (Member # 3793) on 05-12-2007 09:48 PM05-12-2007 09:48

Good thing I live somewhere that all I need is a tacvest and pistol belt with sidearm
on a drop leg holster and some good running clothes.

Would a "skirmish line" work well for general purpose? I mean with a broken pattern,
like a somewhat staggered version that can fold over on either flank when any
contact was met.

[ 05-12-2007, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: apetite ]

Posted by Dsparil (Member # 3917) on 07-04-2008 03:42 PM07-04-2008 03:42

rather curious as to where tired iron got all this information. You have any credible
sources for it? I enjoyed Part I about camouflage and target indicators. Not sure
where you got the rest though. I'm rather curious.
Posted by STRATIOTES (Member # 33) on 07-05-2008 12:34 AM07-05-2008 12:34


Originally posted by Dsparil:
rather curious as to where tired iron got all this information. You have any
credible sources for it?

Welcome aboard awrm Dsparil and there is certainly nothing wrong with asking
questions but to twist the name in a derogatory fashion and convey contempt is not
a good way to start.

Many of the members of this board have known each other for years and trained
together, some like tire iron have earned their experience the hard way and share it
generously at great cost to him self.

So the question becomes what do you consider credible source, some FM or a living
breathing soul with real been there done that experience ?


"Let the watchwords of all our people be the old familiar watchwords of honesty,
decency, fair-dealing, and commonsense."... "We must treat each man on his worth
and merits as a man. We must see that each is given a square deal, because he is
entitled to no more and should receive no less.""The welfare of each of us is
dependent fundamentally upon the welfare of all of us."
New York State Fair, Syracuse, September 7, 1903

[ 07-05-2008, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: STRATIOTES ]

Posted by PipeRain (Member # 2383) on 07-06-2008 12:27 AM07-06-2008 12:27


Originally posted by Dsparil:
rather curious as to where tired iron got all this information. You have any
credible sources for it? I enjoyed Part I about camouflage and target
indicators. Not sure where you got the rest though. I'm rather curious.

+1 to Strat.

I find your puerile post the epitome of arrogance and ignorance. You would do well
to speak less, much less, and listen more until you have some basis for which to
speak other than the kind of nonsense that makes 14 year old "Keyboard
Kommando's" everywhere proud.

Someone who has nearly all his posts attempting to sell something, and who has
offered nothing of substance as far as practical traning, learning and knowledge
carries no water with me. To come along and show yourself for naught but a child
does not bode well for respect.

Go get some practical knowledge, share it, and then we'll talk. In my book, an open
forum apology to probably one of the most respected figures in this line of
preparedness is in order, that barring perpetual silence from here on out.

tire iron doesn't need me, or anyone else here, to speak for him but I will not let this
sort of behavior toward someone who has eminently earned my respect and trust go
unanswered. I can say I know tire iron pretty well. I have been lucky enough to have
been trained by him, as have others here, and we all know he is legit. So far, you
have only shown yourself to be a hack who thinks they have found someone to take
pot-shots at from the ease of a soft chair and a keyboard.

{Edited to correct poor typing}

[ 07-07-2008, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: PipeRain ]

Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 07-06-2008 10:41 PM07-06-2008 10:41

curious Dsparil,

I hold a PhD from *S.H.K.

Hope that satisfies your curiosity.


tire iron

*(S.H.K. = School of Hard Knocks)

Posted by Doktor_Jeep (Member # 354) on 07-07-2008 12:05 AM07-07-2008
12:05 AM:

Remember that movie where some dude shoots lots of bullets, kills the bad guys,
and gets the hot chicks?

Tire Iron is one of those guys.

Posted by Tangalor (Member # 3942) on 07-07-2008 07:26 AM07-07-2008 07:26

+1. Erm, Tire Iron is the Governator?

Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 07-07-2008 12:53 PM07-07-2008 12:53
nope - just Wiley E Coyote-ator


tire iron

Posted by Tangalor (Member # 3942) on 07-07-2008 01:08 PM07-07-2008 01:08

lmao, fair enough.

Posted by Tangalor (Member # 3942) on 07-07-2008 01:17 PM07-07-2008 01:17

back to the topic at hand, I've had a lot of practice with tiger mode (Stalking mode if
you will), with no gear but for the clothes on my back and maybe a stick. The thing I
wanted to bring up was 'alertness'. If anyone here has ever read Tom Brown Jr's
books, you'll be aware of 'tunnel vision'... well, there's a reverse, a practical
situational awareness from one corner of the eye to the other, being able to etect the
slightest movement. And concentric rings within nature, such as ripples in a pond,
always happen, even if it appears everything is quiet. If you want to know a whole
lot more about this stalking method, I'd take a class for a thousand bucks, or pick up
a few of his books, retain all that you read, and practice till it kills you. You'll gain
lots of strength and stamina with his methods. Just my two cents.

Posted by tire iron (Member # 155) on 07-07-2008 05:11 PM07-07-2008 05:11


Great post!

Worth way more than the .02 cents you offer it at!


tire iron

Posted by Dsparil (Member # 3917) on 07-07-2008 07:25 PM07-07-2008 07:25

wasn't trying to sound arrogant at all. There's just a lot of BS that floats around
quite a bit on message boards so I've taken to accepting info with a salt shaker next
to my desk.

I think any sound information provided is great. Wasn't trying to approve or disprove

Posted by Tangalor (Member # 3942) on 07-08-2008 08:36 AM07-08-2008 08:36

Thanks, Tire Iron. The main reason, if anyone was wondering, why I do these
practices with no gear most of the time, is because you have to know your body, and
its limitations. You are only as good as your body, and equipment is just an
extension. If said 'extension' gets left behind in the fray, you will only have one
thing: Yourself. To know yourself and your limitations without anything but the
clothes on your back is paramount, because, if anything were to occur, be it lost,
wounded, caught in enemy territory, captured, chances are thats exactly what you'll
have: Yourself.
I urge anyone who's interested in tracking, stalking, hunting to buy a T.B. Jr book
called "Nature Observation and Tracking", and practice the steps within. I swear to
you, this will greatly maximize your potential in a dangerous situation.

Just for the record, if you sit in a tree stand for 8 hours waiting for a deer to walk by,
you're not hunting, you're an opportunist.

Posted by earl3 (Member # 4374) on 08-17-2009 12:19 AM08-17-2009 12:19 AM:

you should depend on the enemy supply to feed and equip yourself . When eye am
on a target , i will only look at the legs and very quickly the face but not to much on
the face . I also think what i call happy thoughts , anything but what i am going to
do . Until done i never totally take eyes off prospect .

Posted by earl3 (Member # 4374) on 08-17-2009 09:54 PM08-17-2009 09:54 PM:

as to the deer op. ,tie a piano wire with a large trotline hook with apple ear corn ,
if properaly set when you come back you will have a deer       . Gives you a twofer on
the time use

Posted by RabidBear (Member # 4455) on 10-04-2009 10:51 PM10-04-2009 10:51

Another great way of conditioning the body and muscles for "tiger mode" is Tai Chi.
Muscle memory is quickly developed with Tai Chi, as well as meridian energy flow.
The energy flow is what creates the stamina in the muscle to begin with due to the
electrical response in flexing and un- flexing.

I have recently incorporated my gear into my Tai Chi exercises as well. Its a bit odd
at first, and clumsy, but it gives a direct response, and the benefits are already
Posted by Texas Resistance (Member # 1582) on 10-05-2009 07:43 PM10-05-
2009 07:43 PM:

RabidBear, I'd like to see that. You can show us at our October 17th FTX. See:;f=39;t=000208

Fundamentals of the Small Unit

September/October, 1998 Volume IV Issue 5

Compiled from a number of military manuals, this is the first in what is hoped to be a
series of articles pertaining to Small Unit or cell operations. These articles are
designed to assist leaders and prospective leaders of the small unit. The content will
be tactical and logistical; administrative matters have been omitted. When in the
field, especially under stress of combat or simulated combat, combat leaders cannot
instantly recall everything they have been taught. Rapid changes in the situation
may cause a leader to assume a position for which they have not yet been trained.
They will then appreciate some brief reference material to guide them. They cannot
carry masses of field manuals and they will lack access to a library or organizational
files. What they need they must carry in their pocket, condensed in a form, which
allows use at-a-glance. These articles have been compiled from current field manuals
and field circulars with those requirements in mind. You will note that much of the
reference material is in fact a comprehensive checklist to ensure that you have not
overlooked some important consideration in leading a small unit. The series will focus
on unit combat operations and soldier combat skills.

Fundamental to operating across the full range of possible operations is an
understanding of the military‘s doctrinal foundations, the principles of war and the
tenets of military operations. Small Unit leaders must understand the concepts and
fundamentals of military doctrine to effectively lead in combat.

Principles of War
The enduring bedrock of military doctrine, the principles of war, have stood the test
of time. Only slightly revised since first published in 1921, today‘s force projection
military recognizes the following nine principles of war.

1. Objective
Direct every military operation toward a clearly defined, decisive, and attainable
objective. The ultimate military purpose of war is the destruction of the enemy‘s
armed forces and its‘ will to fight. In operations other than war, the ultimate
objective might be more difficult to define, but must be clear from the beginning.

2. Offensive
Seize, retain, and exploit the initiative. Offensive action is the most effective and
decisive way to attain a clearly defined common objective. In militia operations it is
important to note that the militia is defensive in nature and should not initiate
offensive action unless in time of war and within parameters consistent with lawful
militia operations.

3. Mass
Mass the effects of overwhelming combat power at a decisive place and time.
Synchronizing all the elements of combat power where they will have decisive effect
on an enemy force in a short period of time is to achieve mass.

4. Economy of Force
Economy of force is the judicious employment and distribution of forces in order to
achieve mass elsewhere. Allocate minimum essential combat power to secondary

5. Maneuver
Place the enemy in a position of disadvantage through the flexible application of
combat power. Maneuver is the movement of forces in relation to the enemy to
secure or retain positional advantage.

6. Unity of Command
For every objective, seek unity of command and unity of effort. At all levels of war,
employment of forces in a manner that masses combat power toward a common
objective requires unity of command and unity of effort.

7. Security
Never permit the enemy to acquire unexpected advantage. Security results from the
measures taken by a commander to protect his forces.

8. Surprise
Strike the enemy at a time or place or in a manner for which it is unprepared. The
element of surprise can allow forces to achieve success well out of proportion to the
effort expended.

9. Simplicity
Prepare clear, uncomplicated plans and concise orders to ensure thorough
understanding. Other factors being equal, the simplest plan is preferable.

Success in battle will depend on the ability to fight in accordance with five basic
tenets as follows:

1. Initiative
Initiative means setting or changing the terms of battle by action. The small unit
must attempt to maintain their freedom of action while limiting the enemy‘s. This
requires an offensive spirit in all operations. Decentralized operations in which small
units aggressively fight through enemy resistance with immediately available
resources support the seizure or retention of the initiative. Individuals act
independently within the framework of the commander‘s concept. Leaders and
soldiers must understand the intent of commanders two echelons above.
Commanders use mission type orders and clear, concise instructions to ensure that
subordinates understand the concept and how they fit within it.

2. Agility
Infantry forces seize or retain the initiative by acting and/or reacting faster than the
enemy. This begins with the commander, who must have the mental agility to
rapidly analyze tactical situations, thinking through many possible courses of action
and the enemy‘s likely reaction to them, and determining the most effective and
least costly course. SOPs and drills enable the unit to rapidly execute assigned
missions without long, detailed orders.

3. Depth
Depth is the extension of operations in time, space, and resources. A commander
seeks to fight the enemy throughout the depth of the enemy‘s formations by
properly positioning his forces or by skillfully maneuvering his unit. This allows the
unit to seek out and concentrate against enemy weakness. By swiftly concentrating
against first one, then another enemy weakness, a skilled commander can begin to
seize the initiative on a local level, allowing for command to then exploit the

4. Synchronization
Synchronization is the arrangement of battlefield activities in time, space, and
purpose to produce maximum combat power at the decisive point. A commander
synchronizes his subordinates‘ actions on the battlefield by assigning clear missions,
making understood the timing required in the operation, and focusing all actions
towards achieving overwhelming combat power at a decisive point. Issuing mission
orders, identifying the main effort, and assigning each subordinate element clear
tasks and purposes are the best means of maintaining synchronization in a fast
paced, fluid environment.

5. Versatility
Versatility is the ability of tactical units to adapt to different missions and tasks. In a
force projection military, the demands for versatility increase. Forces must be
prepared to move rapidly from one region to another, one type of warfare to
another, and one form of combat to another.

Combat Power
Military forces seek to apply overwhelming combat power in order to achieve victory
at minimal cost. Four primary elements: maneuver, firepower, protection, and
leadership, are used in combination to create combat power.

1. Maneuver
Maneuver is the movement of forces supported by fire to achieve a position of
advantage from which to destroy or threaten destruction of the enemy. Maneuver is
the primary means of gaining or retaining the initiative. Forces use stealth,
camouflage, dispersion, terrain, and fires to support their movement and close with
the enemy. Infantry takes advantage of its ability to move across difficult terrain in
any weather to surprise the enemy. The indirect approach guides movement
planning: avoiding the enemy‘s strengths, moving through gaps or weaknesses or
around its flanks, and striking at critical locations to rapidly destroy the enemy‘s will
and ability to fight.

2. Firepower
Firepower is the capacity to deliver effective fire on a target. Firepower and
maneuver are complimentary. It is the effect of fire on the enemy that matters. A
few weapons firing accurately from a location that surprise the enemy is more
effective than many weapons with a large volume of fire but without the element of
surprise. Before attempting to maneuver, infantry units must establish a base of fire.
Leaders must understand the capabilities of organic and supporting weapons, how to
position and employ them, and the techniques of integrating and controlling fires.

3. Protection
Protection is the conservation of the fighting potential of the force. It includes all
actions that degrade the enemy‘s ability to maneuver against or place fires on the
friendly force. These include security measures; use of limited visibility, cover, and
concealment; air defense; camouflage; and dispersion. Protection also includes
maintaining the soldiers‘ health and morale. Maneuver provides protection for the
force by preventing the enemy from fixing it and concentrating firepower,
such as suppressive fire during an assault, can also provide protection. Infantry
gains protection by avoiding detection during movement and by digging fighting
positions when stationary.

4. Leadership
The combat power generated by infantry forces is dependent on the concepts and
plans developed by the commanders and the subordinate leaders. Infantry leaders
are expected to lead by personal example and to provide purpose, motivation, and
direction for their soldiers. Leaders must know their profession, their soldiers, and
the tools of war.

Basic Rules of Combat
These rules appeared in military doctrine for a short time but are no longer included
in recent publications. At the small unit level, however, they encompass the essence
of the above fundamentals.

Use cover and concealment
Establish local security and conduct reconnaissance
Protect the unit

Establish a moving element
Get in the best position to shoot
Gain and maintain the initiative
Move fast, strike hard, and finish rapidly

Establish a base of fire
Maintain mutual support
Kill or suppress the enemy

Tell soldiers what is expected
Sustain the team
Keep the fight going
Take care of soldiers

Some of the information contained within this document may not be specifically
applicable to potential militia operations. It is still important to understand this
doctrine because it is the basis for military operations throughout the world. In
upcoming issues we hope to include articles on Command and Control, Movement,
Offense, and Defense as well as several other topics.
―The Soviet and Chinese examples illustrate contrasting methods of ruling a people
against its will. On the one hand, a constant official terror, suppressing rebellion
before it has taken root. On the other hand, a nation-wide mobilization of the
techniques of persuasion and propaganda, designed to make all sections of the
people participate, apparently of their own free will, in the revolution. But the two
major Communist systems have this in common: when terror or persuasion has
failed and an insurrection nevertheless breaks out, it must be ruthlessly and violently
crushed.‖ The Rebels: A Study of Post-War Insurrections, Brian Crozier, 1960.

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Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-12-2006 07:43 PM07-12-2006 07:43 PM:


Posted by: ConSigCor Sep 24 2005, 03:11 PM

The purpose of training is to prepare for war by developing forces that can win in
combat, Training is the key to combat effectiveness and therefore is the focus of
effort of the peacetime Militia. However, training should not stop with the
commencement of war; training must continue during war to adapt to the lessons of

Basic individual skills are an essential foundation for combat effectiveness and must
receive heavy emphasis. Members of the Militia must endeavor to maintain
proficiency in their individual skills. At the same time, unit skills are extremely
important. They are not simply an accumulation of individual skills; adequacy in
individual skills does not automatically mean unit skills are satisfactory.

Training programs should reflect practical, challenging and progressive goals.
Training programs must be tailored to the voluntary, non-professional nature of the
Militia. Repitition of the fundementals is key.

Collective training consists of drills and exercises. Drills are a form of small unit
training which stress profeciency by progressive repitition of tasks. Drills are an
effective method for developing standardized techniques and procedures that must
be performed repeatedly without variation to ensure speed and coordination, such as
weapons drill or immediate actions. In contrast , erercises are designed to train units
and individuals in tactics under simulated combat conditions. Exercises should
aproximate the conditions of battle as much as possible; that is, they should
introduce friction in the form of uncertainty, stress, disorder and opposing wills. This
last characteristic is most important; only in opposed, free-play exercises can we
practice the art of war. Dictated or "canned" scenarios eliminate the element of
independent, opposing wills that is the essence of combat.

Critiques are an important part of training because critical self-analysis, even after
success, is essential to improvement. Their purpose is to drawnout the lessons of
training. As a result, we should conduct critiques immediatly after completing the
training, before the memory of the events has faded. Critiques should be held in an
atmosphere of open and frank dialogue in which all hands are encouraged to
contribute. We learn as much from mistakes as from things done well, so we must be
willing to admiot and discuss them. Because we recognize that no two situations in
war are the same, our critiques should focus not so much on the actions we took as
on why we took those actions and why they brought the results they did.


The goal of training is to produce a combat ready unit that responds rapidly to
known or suspected enemy activity and defeats that enemy. Individual skills and
battle drill training are a key factor in achieving that goal. Leaders should tailor
training to realistic, challenging, and attainable goals. Battle drills must be
standardised but thier tactical employment must remain flexible.

1. The Training Plan is based on the "core training card" concept in support of the
brigades Mission Essential Training List (METL) requirements. The focus is to prepare
all personnel for mobilization. The intent is to provide meaningfull training that can
be put into immediate use and to motivate personnel to actively accept greater

2. The Training Plan will break down the " Core Training Card" into 4 quarterly
schedules. Three topics will be routinely taught on a repitative cycle untl the unit
reaches 100% training attainement.

3. Each unit will conduct a yearly Alert Mobilization Drill.

All members must commit themselves, individually, and in concert with their unit, to
learn and master as many basic skills as possible, includng proficeincy with firearms
(including field stripping and cleaning), hand signals, fields of fire, entrenchment,
camoflage, cover and concealment, individual and squad movement. Each unit
member is required to complete the mandatory training course to meet Minimum
Mission Essential Training (METL) requirements.


This is basic training which all new reqruites (M-1) are required to complete within
the 90 probationary period. Upon completion of Level 1 training the reqruite will
advance to the rank of Private (M-2) and will be considered an active line member of
the unit.

1. Command and Organization
2. Mobilization and Alert Readiness
.....a. Rapid Alert System / Alert levels
.....b. Evacuation: Routes, Rally Points
3. Phsyical Fittness 1XX
.....a. Field march for 2 miles in 30 minutes with all Level 1 gear. 3 to 5 second
rushes for 100 yards, 10 PU 10 SU

4. Basic Marksmanship X1X
.....a. 8 out of 10 shots in a 9 inch target @ 100 yards.
.....b. Must be able to load, clear malfunctions and field strip weapon for repair or

5. Individual Movement Techniques
.....a. low/high crawl
.....b. team file and wedge formation.

6. Individual Camoflage

7. Basic Field Communications:
.....a. Hand and Arm Signals
.....b. Basic Radio Operating Proocedures
.....d. Perform surveillance without the aid of electronic devices.

6. Basic First Aid:
.....a. Evaluate a casualty
.....b. Prevent / treat shock
.....c. Clear an object from the throat
.....d. Treat / prevent heat stroke and frostbite
.....e. Treat burns
.....f. Put on a field or pressure dressing
.....g. Apply a dressing to an open chest, abdominal, and head wound.
.....h. Splint a fracture
.....i. Perform CPR
.....j. Transport a casualty
.....k. Basic sanitation, preventative medicine and health maintenance


Skill Level 2 is required to advance to the rank of M-3 Private First Class and to be
considered capable of performing Primary Forces missions. M-3's must be prepared
to deploy quickly and remain in the field unsupported for 72 hours. He is a fully
functional and deployable militia soldier, capable of leading his squad and training

To meet Level 2 standards one must have mastered all Level 1 qualifications and
equipment plus:

Physical Fitness: 2XX
Field march with all Level 2 gear 3 miles in 40 minutes.

Marksmanship: X2X
8 out of 10 in a 9" target at 200 yards.

Must have a thourough understanding of:
Troop leading procedures including the 5 paragraph OPORD, SALUTE, CARVER etc.

Small Unit Tactics
1. Immediate Action Drills
.....a. Move under direct fire
.....b. React to indirect fire
.....c. React to contact
.....d. Break contact
.....e. React to ambush, near or far
.....f. React to flares

2. Movement Techniques
.....a. Fire Team and Squad Wedge
.....b. File
.....c. Traveling, Traveling Overwatch and Bounding Overwatch

3.   Perform Reconnaissance
4.   Select and construct individual fighting positions
5.   Set up Patrol Base camp
6.   Cross danger areas

7. Basic Land Navigation
.....a. Identify topogaphic symbols and features on a map
.....b. Determine a location on the ground by terrain association
.....c. Measure distance on a map
.....d. Orient a map to the ground by terrain association
.....e. Determine direction with and without a compass

8. Basic Camoflage
.....a. Individual
.....b. Noise light and litter discipline
.....c. Field emplacements, or base camp

9. Emergency Preparedness
Every Primary Forces member must maintain a 3 month supply of the following and
the knowledge to use it.
.....a. Water Storage / Purification
.....b. Field Hygene / Sanitation
.....c. Food Storage
.....d. Medical Supplies

10. Basic Survival Abilities
.....a. Identify wild foods in the A/O
.....b. Identfy poisonous plants and snakes in the A/O
.....c. Locate and purify drinking water
.....d. Build a fire
.....e. Snare/trap wild game
......f. Locate, and construct a field expediant survival shelter.

To progress to Skill Level 3 (S.O.G.), the militia soldier must have mastered all Level
2 qualifications. In addition he must master the following skills:

Phsyical Fitness: 3XX
5 mile field march in 2 hours with 72 hour load.

Marksmenship: X3X (see note)
Rifle: 8 out of 10 in a 4" target @ 100 yds, 8 / 10 in a 6" target @ 200 yds.
Pistol: 2 inch groups at 15 yards, 4 inch groups at 25 yards

Sniper Operations:
Conduct a terrain survey
Conduct long range surveillance of target for intelligence personnel
Plan and implement a enemy harrassment plan
Plan and conduct interdiction operations on key target personnel
Estimate range to target
Construct and use a ghillie suit
Construct and use a Sniper/Forward Observation Post hide
*Note* Each S.O.G. must maintain at least 4 men (2 Scout / Sniper teams) qualified
as Designated Marksmen - X4X: 8 out of 10 in a 9" target @ 300 yards, able to hit a
man sized target at 600 yards

Conduct room clearing with a team
Conduct building clearing with a squad

Level 3 (S.O.G.) Specialties:
At full strength each 12 man S.O.G. must also maintain 2 men qualified in each of
the following specialties:

Trained as First Responder. EMT certified or Combat Life Saving class preferred.

Operations / Intelligence:
Plan and conduct a surveillance/recon patrol
Plan and implement psychological ops.
Prepare accurate SitReps and assist Command Staff in the planning of operations.
Identify and track counter-resistance operations.
Maintain the units Threat Assesment and Target Acquistion Folders
Co-ordinate with signal personnel to implement the intelligance network
Relay and desiminate intelligance to neighboring units through the Signal Corps radio

Must complete the Mil. Sig. Corps trainng program and have a thurough
understanding of Basic Operating Procedures, Tactical Comm, CommSec, the Rapid
Alert System, SitRep / SALUTE, the Digital Encryption System and his unit C.E.O.I.
Must be able to operate all unit comm equipment.
Build a field expediant, clandestine antenna
Transmit and receive morse code
Must be able to develope, implement, maintain and operate the Rapid Alert System
for his local unit as well as a Battalion level entity.
Coordinate and integrate signal operations between all units at the battalion level
(region or the countys surrounding his A/O)

Design an erect anti-personnel barricades
Design and erect defensive positions including perimeter warning devices.
Design, prepare and oversee te construction of a guerilla operations base camp.
Conduct vehicle recovery.
Maintain and repair common vehicles in use by the unit.
Build and use an incendary device made from common readily available material.
Build and use a thermite device made from common readily available material.
Create a smoke screen

Posted by Trickster (Member # 570) on 02-27-2007 02:37 PM02-27-2007 02:37


Originally posted by ConSigCor:

Posted by: ConSigCor Sep 24 2005, 03:11 PM

Training programs should reflect practical, challenging and progressive
goals. Training programs must be tailored to the voluntary, non-
professional nature of the Militia. Repetition of the fundementals is key.

This is where I am trying to bring the Boy Scout Patrol Method to our training

I know that you have dedicated seemingly endless hours to the cause, and I
certainly have no intention of taking anything away from your hard work, but I need
to have fun while I train.

Now maybe I just have a short attention span, but I like a number of tasks strung
together to make a training situation more interesting as a scenario that's not overly

Simple repetition will not work for me more than once, but some time spent ahead of
time setting up interesting scenarios work to make a problem solving exercise work
for me.

I am trying to start again from raw recruit and develop a plan so I can teach a
system that I had a part of developing and working from the ground up.

Even with all the hard work done for me in the NMS structure, I have found that
there is an amazing amount of effort required to teach something I already know.
Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 02-27-2007 04:11 PM02-27-2007 04:11 PM:


Training should be interesting...not boring. I think training must be repetitive to
make the basics second nature to all. But, there is no reason why the sceanarios
can't constantly change to keep folks from saying.."Oh no, not that crap again."

Your right, teaching is not an easy task. Everyone should have to be the teacher at
least once.

Posted by mak9030mag (Member # 2955) on 03-17-2007 12:18 AM03-17-2007
12:18 AM:

For those with paint guns or bb pump type guns find an abandoned mineing town to
practice urban tactics,or use the paint bb guns in the woods. Remember
ambush/counterambush,assult/counter assult,tracking/counter tracking,learn to look
for or install little goodies,ie boobytraps. Learn to see,but not be seen.

Posted by Patriot (Member # 25) on 01-24-2008 09:01 PM01-24-2008 09:01 PM:

This is what you will have to become to survive the coming calamity!!!!! You better
get your mental act together!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you learned that the man in this photo -- a professional assassin -- was the head
of security at one of our nation‘s most vulnerable nuclear facilities, would it trouble
you? Or would it sound like one hell of a story?

By Tom Junod

[more from this author]

Steve Raymer/National Geographic Image Collection
Related Links:
• Read the transcript of an interview with William Clark, a/k/a. "Zeke."
• Listen to audio clips of an interview with Zeke.
The Palisades Nuclear Plant in Covert, Michigan, is real. It produces 778 megawatts
of electricity, and the electricity keeps the lights burning for about half a million
residents. The nuclear reactor inside the nuclear plant is also real. It gets really hot,
and anyone driving on Interstate 196 on his way to Grand Rapids or St. Joe can see
thin clouds of steam rising from its cooling towers, as constant a presence as the
weather. The steam is real; it‘s water from Lake Michigan, pumped in to keep the
reactor cool. The nuclear power plant is on the shore of Lake Michigan, right next to
the tourist town of South Haven and about eighty miles from Chicago as the crow
flies. Lake Michigan is real, definitely, though it comes off as an illusory ocean,
offering the horizon as its only boundary. South Haven is real, too, although it
empties out in the cold of winter. And Chicago? As real as the millions of people who
live there, and the strange American fervor they generate. Chicago is so damned
real, and so damned American, that it‘s hard to imagine an American reality without
it -- it‘s hard to imagine an American reality if, say, a terrorist attack on Palisades
Nuclear contaminated the big lake for the next thousand years or so and emptied out
Chicago, not to mention St. Joe and South Haven and Covert.

Which is why it‘s a good thing that the security manager at Palisades Nuclear for the
last year and a half is real, too, with real qualifications for the job. His name is
William E. Clark, and he has been in the Army, he‘s been a cop, he‘s done some
contracting work for the Department of Energy, he‘s gone to Kosovo on a diplomatic
mission, and after Katrina, he worked for Blackwater, the security company, outside
New Orleans. He started at Palisades in early 2006. He has a new house and a new
wife and has told people, ―I would shed blood to keep this job.‖ As a statement of
determination, this is reassuring...but what if he means it as a statement of fact?
What if William E. Clark has told people -- told me -- that he has in fact shed blood
many times, in many places, over the course of many years? What if William E. Clark
says that he worked for Blackwater in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as in New
Orleans and killed so many people that he considers himself a cold-blooded
murderer? What if he says that his job as the security manager of a nuclear plant on
Lake Michigan is both a reward for all the killing he‘s done and a means for keeping
him quiet about it?

The guilt is real. The shame is real. He is not proud of the things he‘s done, although
that doesn‘t stop him from talking about them. He‘s not proud of what he had to do
in Vietnam, his son says. He‘s not proud of having to kill someone in New Orleans,
his ex-wife says. He wakes up with nightmares, his new wife says, because he‘s
starting to see the faces of the human beings he once saw through the rifle scope.
And so this story represents his attempt to come clean. He is a bad person, he says,
but he wants to be a good person -- he wants to be thought of as a good person. He
wants to be purified, shriven. He is telling his story because he knows it will destroy
him. He is telling his story because he knows it will set him free.

He has kept stuff, over the years, because he knows that nobody will believe him. He
has kept the stubs from all the boarding passes, the keys from all the hotel rooms.
There are hundreds of them, and he keeps them in thick wads and piles. He has kept
a business card for one of his aliases, Zeke Senega, a reporter for The Irish Times in
Dublin. He has kept his passports, including the diplomatic one that was required for
the work he did for the State Department. And he has photographs. He has a folder
full of photographs from what he calls an ―operation‖ in Iraq -- an operation that
ended with two jihadists slumped dead in the front seat of an Opel, their car
windows spiderwebbed with the ghosts of two precision gunshots. He also has a
photo album, which he calls the Book. The Book is not very different from a lot of
photo albums -- it is a record, in snapshots, of the places he‘s been and the people
he‘s met -- except that the mostly unsmiling men staring at the camera are usually
wearing camouflage and armed to the teeth. And in the middle of the Book, there is
one photo, black-and-white and larger than the rest, of William E. Clark cradling a
rifle to his chest in what appears to be a jungle. He does not seem to be posing, and
indeed he looks a little sick -- his mouth slightly slack and his long face droopy with
exhaustion. And yet when he remembers the circumstances of the photo, he relishes
them: ―That picture was taken in El Salvador in 1996. I wasn‘t supposed to be there.
Nobody was. Suddenly this UPI photographer shows up, taking pictures. I said, ‗If
you don‘t put that camera down and give me the film, I‘ll shoot you. I‘ll kill you and
get away with it. Because I don‘t exist.‘ ‖

Posted by Imagrunt (Member # 563) on 01-25-2008 12:07 AM01-25-2008 12:07

I'm betting he has plenty of like-minded trigger pullers, rotary aircraft, .50 cals, a
one mile clear field of fire in a 360 degree radius, and one hell of a security budget.

I have guarded nukes, and if William E. Clark can protect that nuke plant as well as I
think he can, then he may be paying his pennance directly to We the People of

By the way, the NRC has very strict rules for the safe-guarding of nuke material, and
firearms requirements have only minimums. You just start at .223 and 9mm
respectively, and work your way up.

Side note:
At the time KT Ordnance was raided, I was forming my own private security
company, and I was attempting to use the NRC standards in the creation of my
policies and procedures manual for armed escorts of Liberty Dollar shipments.

When I appealed to BATFE for the return of my AR lowers, they forced me to reveal
the plan for my private security business, thus eliminating both the privacy and the
security in one convenient raid...the BATFE agent in charge also told me that I would
NEVER receive my lowers, and thus ended my last negotiation with BATFE.

I'm OK with the NRC, but BATFE should be immediately dismantled for its blatant,
treasonous and deadly assaults against We the People in general, and the BoR Article
2 militia specifically.

Posted by Patriot (Member # 25) on 01-25-2008 07:21 AM01-25-2008 07:21 AM:

I agree Imagrunt!! Basicly the a$$holes stole your property!! It won't be long before
payback time if the country goes bankrupt!!
Posted by earl3 (Member # 4374) on 08-18-2009 04:59 PM08-18-2009 04:59 PM:

I go by the five finger, fist philsopy : Think ; Be aware , pay attention , Take
advantage ; of every situation .

Posted by noname762 (Member # 4308) on 08-21-2009 07:56 PM08-21-2009
07:56 PM:


Originally posted by Imagrunt:
I'm betting he has plenty of like-minded trigger pullers, rotary aircraft, .50
cals, a one mile clear field of fire in a 360 degree radius, and one hell of a
security budget.

I have guarded nukes, and if William E. Clark can protect that nuke plant as
well as I think he can, then he may be paying his pennance directly to We
the People of Michigan.

By the way, the NRC has very strict rules for the safe-guarding of nuke
material, and firearms requirements have only minimums. You just start at
.223 and 9mm respectively, and work your way up.

Side note:
At the time KT Ordnance was raided, I was forming my own private security
company, and I was attempting to use the NRC standards in the creation of
my policies and procedures manual for armed escorts of Liberty Dollar

When I appealed to BATFE for the return of my AR lowers, they forced me to
reveal the plan for my private security business, thus eliminating both the
privacy and the security in one convenient raid...the BATFE agent in charge
also told me that I would NEVER receive my lowers, and thus ended my last
negotiation with BATFE.

I'm OK with the NRC, but BATFE should be immediately dismantled for its
blatant, treasonous and deadly assaults against We the People in general,
and the BoR Article 2 militia specifically.

I would be willing to bet there are more than a couple folks who would love nothing
more than to deep six an agent of f troop.

Posted by earl3 (Member # 4374) on 08-23-2009 04:53 AM08-23-2009 04:53 AM:

noname762 i agree !

Unconventional Warfare in forum Individual and Small Unit Tactics at A Well
Regulated Militia.
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Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:48 PM07-25-2006 06:48 PM:

Unconventional Warfare

Posted by: ConSigCor Jun 25 2006, 11:37 PM
Guerrilla (also called a partisan) is a term borrowed from the Spanish guerrilla
meaning little war, and used to describe small combat groups and the individual
members of such groups (see Etymology). Guerrilla warfare operates with small,
mobile and flexible combat groups called cells, without a front line. Guerrilla warfare
is one of the oldest forms of asymmetric warfare. Primary contributors to modern
theories of guerrilla war include Mao Zedong, Wendell Fertig, Regis Debray, Vo
Nguyen Giap, Josip Broz Tito, Michael Collins and Che Guevara. Later students of
guerrilla warfare included Swiss Major Hans von Dach who wrote the now widely
available Swiss Army field manual "Total Resistance".


Guerrilla, from the Spanish term guerra, or War, with the -illa ending diminutive,
could be translated as small war. The term was invented in Spain to describe the
tactics used to resist the French regime instituted by Napoleon Bonaparte. The -illa
term accepts the unequal fight between civilians against an organized State Army.
Its meaning was soon broadened to refer to any similar resistance of any time or
place. The Spanish word for guerrilla fighter is guerrillero. The change of usage of
guerrilla from the tactics employed to the person implementing them is a late 19th
century mistake: in most languages the word still denotes the specific style of
warfare. However, this is changing under the influence of broad English usage.


Guerrilla tactics are based on intelligence, ambush, deception, sabotage, and
espionage, and an authority through long, low-intensity confrontation. It can be
quite successful against an unpopular foreign regime: a guerrilla army may increase
the cost of maintaining an occupation or a colonial presence above what the foreign
power may wish to bear.

Commando operations are not guerrilla warfare (Richard Taber, ―The War of the Flea
: Guerrilla Warfare, Theory and Practice‖. Paladin, London, 1977) while they lack the
political goal. Commando troops, as the British commando, were a branch of the
armed forces. Guerrilla warfare is the expression of Sun Tzu's Art of War, in contrast
to Clausewitz's unlimited use of brute force.

However, guerrilla warfare has generally been unsuccessful against native regimes,
which have nowhere to retreat to and are highly knowledgeable about their own
people, society, and culture. The rare examples of successful guerrilla warfare
against a native regime include the Cuban Revolution and the Chinese Civil War, as
well as the Sandinista overthrow of a military dictatorship in Nicaragua. More
common are the unsuccessful examples of guerrilla warfare, which include Malaysia
(then Malaya) during the Malayan Emergency, Bolivia, Argentina, and the Philippines.
The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), fighting for an independent homeland in
the north and east of Sri Lanka, achieved significant military successes against the
Sri Lankan military and the government itself for twenty years. It was even able to
use these tactics effectively against the IPKF forces sent by India in the mid-1980s,
which were later withdrawn for varied reasons, primarily political. The mutual
attrition on both sides in the island led to a ceasefire following the September 11,
2001 attacks.

Guerrillas in wars against foreign powers do not principally direct their attacks at
civilians, as they desire to obtain as much support as possible from the population as
part of their tactics. Civilians are primarily attacked or assassinated as punishment
for collaboration. Often such an attack will be officially sanctioned by guerrilla
command or tribunal. An exception is in civil wars, where both guerrilla groups and
organized armies have been known to commit atrocities against the civilian

Mao Zedong, during the Chinese civil war, summarized the Red Army's principles of
warfare in the following points for his troops: The enemy advances, we retreat. The
enemy camps, we harass. The enemy tires, we attack. The enemy retreats, we
pursue. Mao made a distinction between Mobile Warfare (yundong zhan) and
Guerrilla Warfare (youji zhan).

Michael Collins of the Irish Republican Army, who orchestrated the Anglo-Irish war of
1919-1921, had a more succinct principle behind his campaign of intelligence,
assassination, and propaganda: create "bloody mayhem".

Guerrillas are often characterized as terrorists by their opponents, as part of
psychological warfare. Guerrillas are in danger of not being recognized as lawful
combatants because they may not wear a uniform, (to mingle with the local
population), or their uniform and distinctive emblems may not be recognised as such
by their opponents. Article 44, sections 3 and 4 of the 1977 First Additional Protocol
to the Geneva Conventions, "relating to the Protection of Victims of International
Armed Conflicts", does recognise combatants who, due to the nature of the conflict,
do not wear uniforms as long as they carry their weapons openly during military
operations. This gives non-uniformed guerrillas lawful combatant status against
countries that have ratified this convention. However the same protocol states in
Article 37.1.c that "the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status" shall constitute
perfidy and is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. Guerrilla warefare can
constitute psychological terror and submission upon their captors as well. This act of
submission is a way of relieving information from an opponent is used by
outnumbering the individual.

Guerrilla warfare is classified into two main categories: urban guerrilla warfare and
rural guerrilla warfare. In both cases, guerrillas rely on a friendly population to
provide supplies and intelligence. Rural guerrillas prefer to operate in regions
providing plenty of cover and concealment, especially heavily forested and
mountainous areas. Urban guerrillas, rather than melting into the mountains and
jungles, blend into the population and are also dependent on a support base among
the people.

Foreign support in the form of soldiers, weapons, sanctuary, or, at the very least,
statements of sympathy for the guerrillas can greatly increase the chances of victory
for an insurgency. However, it is not always necessary.
Maoist theory of people's war divides warfare into three phases. In the first phase,
the guerrillas gain the support of the population through attacks on the machinery of
government and the distribution of propaganda. In the second phase, escalating
attacks are made on the government's military and vital institutions. In the third
phase, conventional fighting is used to seize cities, overthrow the government, and
take control of the country.

Guerrilla Tactics were summarized into the ' Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla[1] in
1969 by Carlos Marighella. This text was banned in several countries including the
United States. This is probably the most comprehensive and informative book on
guerrilla strategy ever published, and is available free online. Texts by Che Guevara
and Mao Zedong on guerrilla warfare are also available.

John Keats wrote about an American guerrilla leader in World War 2: Colonel Wendell
Fertig, who in 1942 organized a large force of guerrillas who harassed the Japanese
occupation forces on the Philippine Island of Mindanao all the way up to the
liberation of the Philippines in 1945. His abilities were later utilized by the United
States Army, when Fertig helped found the United States Army Special Warfare
School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Others included Col. Aaron Bank and Col.
Russell Volckmann. Volckmann, in particular, commanded a guerrilla force which
operated out of the Cordillera of Northern Luzon, in the Philippines from the
beginning of World War II to its conclusion. He remained in radio contact with US
Forces, prior to the invasion of Lingayen Gulf.

Guerrilla warfare sometimes involves surrounding nations, which are affected by a
popular uprising against the neighbouring government. A case in point was the Mukti
Bahini guerrillas who fought alongside the Indian Army in the 14-day Bangladesh
Liberation War in 1971 against Pakistan that resulted in the creation of the state of

T.E.Lawrence, best known as "Lawrence of Arabia," introduced a theory of guerrilla
warfare tactics in an article he wrote for the Encyclopedia Britannica published in
1938. In that article, he compared guerrilla fighters to a gas. The fighters disperse in
the area of operations more or less randomly. They or their cells occupy a very small
intrinsic space in that area, just as gas molecules occupy a very small intrinsic space
in a container. The fighters may coalesce into groups for tactical purposes, but their
general state is dispersed. Such fighters cannot be "rounded up." They cannot be
contained. They are extremely difficult to "defeat" because they cannot be brought to
battle in significant numbers. The cost in soldiers and material to destroy a
significant number of them becomes prohibitive, in all senses, that is physically,
economically, morally, etc. It should be noted that Lawrence describes a non-native
occupying force as the enemy (e.g. the Turks).

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:49 PM07-25-2006 06:49 PM:

Posted by: ConSigCor Jun 25 2006, 11:39 PM
Irregular military

Irregular military refers to any non-standard military. Being defined by exclusion,
there is a lot of variance in what comes under the term. It can refer to the type of
military organization, or to the type of tactics used.
An irregular military organization is a military organization which is not part of the
regular army organization of a party to a military conflict. Without standard military
unit organization, various more general names are used; such organizations may
also be called a "troop", "group", "unit", "column", "band", or "force".

Irregulars are soldiers or warriors that are members of these organizations, or are
members of special military units that employ irregular military tactics. This also
applies to irregular troops, irregular infantry and irregular cavalry.

Irregular warfare is warfare employing the tactics commonly used by irregular
military organizations. This involves avoiding large-scale combats, and focusing on
small, stealthy, hit and run engagements.

Other names for irregular military formations

The term "irregular military" describes the "how" and "what", but it's more common
to focus on the "why". Bypassing the legitimate military and taking up arms is an
extreme measure. The motivation for doing so is often used as the basis of the
primary label for any irregular military. Different terms come in and out of fashion,
based on political and emotional associations that develop. Here is a list of such
terms, organized more-or-less oldest to latest.

* Revolutionary -- someone part of a revolution, whether military or not
* Partisan -- In the 20th century, someone part of a resistance movement. In the
18th and 19th century, a local conventional military force using irregular tactics.
* Paramilitary -- non-regular military with a claim to official status
* Guerrilla -- someone who uses low-level irregular military tactics
* Resistance fighter -- someone who is part of a resistance movement
* Freedom fighter -- irregular military motivated by higher goals -- very subjective
* Terrorist -- irregular military who target civilians; this term is almost always used
* Insurgent -- an alternate term for many of the above.

Intense debates can build up over which of these terms to use when referring to a
specific group. Using one term over another can imply either strong support or
opposition for the cause being fought over.

It is possible for a military to cross the line between regular and irregular. Isolated
regular army units forced to operate without regular support for long periods of time
can degrade into irregulars. As an irregular military becomes more successful, they
may transition away from irregular, even to the point of becoming the new regular
army if they win.

Regular military units which use irregular military tactics

Although they are part of a regular army, Special forces are trained in and
implement irregular military tactics.


While the morale, training and equipment of the individual irregular soldier can vary
from very poor to excellent, irregulars are usually lacking the higher-level
organizational training and equipment that is part of regular army. This usually
makes irregulars poor at what regular armies focus on — main-line combat. Other
things being equal, major battles between regulars and irregulars heavily favor the

However, irregulars can excel at many other combat duties besides main-line
combat, such as scouting, skirmishing, harassing, pursuing, rear-guard actions,
cutting supply, sabotage, raids, ambushes and underground resistance. Experienced
irregulars often surpass the regular army in these functions. By avoiding formal
battles, irregulars have sometimes harassed high quality armies to destruction, as in
the Battle of Carrhae.

Irregulars have a reputation for ruthlessness. Being outside the official army, they
often don't see themselves bound by the laws of war. Beyond official supply lines,
irregulars often supply themselves by confiscating civilian goods without
compensation; this can be seen as pillaging. Operating without official support
equipment, prisoners taken by irregulars might be killed when transportation isn't
feasible; this can be seen as an atrocity. Over time, unrestrained irregulars can
devolve into common bandits or roving death squads.

The total effect of irregulars is often underestimated. Since the military actions of
irregulars are often small and unofficial, they are underreported or even overlooked.
Even when engaged by regular armies, some military histories exclude all irregulars
when counting friendly troops, but include irregulars in the count of enemy troops,
making the odds seem much worse than they were. This may be accidental; counts
of friendly troops often came from official regular army rolls that exclude unofficial
forces, while enemy strength often came from visual estimates, where the distinction
between regular and irregular were lost. If irregular forces overwhelm regulars,
records of the defeat are often lost in the resulting chaos.

Use of large irregular forces featured heavily in wars such as the American
Revolution, the Franco-Prussian War, the Russian Civil War, the Second Boer War,
and especially the Eastern Front of World War II where hundreds of thousands of
partisans fought on both sides. Irregular forces are usually most noted for their role
in the Vietnam War. The use of irregular forces was also present in the Philippine-
American War.

Ongoing conflicts in Africa such as the First and Second Congo Wars are fought
almost entirely by irregular forces.

Historical reliance on irregulars

In the dawn of civilization, all military forces were irregular. Regular armies grew
slowly from personal bodyguards or elite militia. In Ancient warfare, most civilized
nations relied heavily on irregulars to augment their small regular army. Even in
advanced civilizations, the irregulars commonly outnumbered the regular army.
Sometimes entire tribal armies of irregulars were brought in from internal native or
neighboring cultures, especially ones that still had an active hunting tradition to
provide the basic training of irregulars. The regulars would only provide the core
military in the major battles; irregulars would provide all other combat duties.
Notable examples of regulars relying on irregulars include auxiliary legions of
Germanic tribes in the Roman Empire, Cossack regiments in Imperial Russia, and
Native American forces in the far west of the Confederate States of America.
One could attribute the disastrous defeat of the Romans at the Battle of the
Teutoburg Forest to the lack of supporting irregular forces; only a few squadrons of
irregular light cavalry accompanied the invasion of Germany when normally the
number of foederati legions would equal the regular legions; however, since
irregulars won that battle, there are few surviving details. During the decline of the
Roman Empire, irregulars made up an ever increasing proportion of the Roman
military. At the end, there was little difference between the Roman military and the
barbarians across the borders. Throughout history, most civilizations eventually fell
to "barbarians", that is, irregular military forces, with minimal historical details.

As the spread of industrialism dried up the traditional source of irregulars, nations
were forced take over the duties of the irregulars using specially trained regular
army units. Examples are the light infantry in the British Army. By the modern age,
all regular military are trained to also perform the actions previously left to

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:50 PM07-25-2006 06:50 PM:

Posted by: ConSigCor Jun 25 2006, 11:40 PM
A covert cell structure is a method for organizing a group in such a way that it can
more effectively resist penetration by an opposing organization. It is a method used
by criminal organisations and terrorist organizations as well as legitimate resistance
groups, undercover operatives, and special forces. Some cells may lie dormant for
years until needed - see sleeper cell.

The organizational structure of covert cells is intended to limit the harm that can be
done if members are captured and interrogated. Most members will only know the
identities of other people in their own cell; only the leader of a cell will know the
identities of leaders of other cells and communicate with them. By keeping cell size
small, captives or double agents will have a very limited knowledge of the
organization as a whole.

This approach, also known as compartmentalization, seeks to protect the larger
organization from being compromised. By dividing the organization into many
smaller groups, each of which is compartmentalized and only knows what it needs to
know for its individual tasks, the damage that can be caused by outside penetration
can be greatly reduced. Other cells can continue to operate independently.

The use of covert cells was pioneered in the 19th century by revolutionaries in
France such as the political activist Louis Auguste Blanqui. Other revolutionary and
anarchist groups soon adopted a similar organizational approach, as did the
communist movement in the late 19th century. A cellular model of organization was
used by many covert organizations in the 20th century, ranging from the French
Resistance in World War II, to the Vietcong and the Provisional IRA and Al Qaeda.
Organized crime groups, such as drug smuggling networks, also use similar

Robert A. Heinlein, in his novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, describes ways in
which cells can be organized using anonymous communication to report capture or
death. While the sentient supercomputer Mike (Mycroft Holmes) does not yet exist,
similar effects could be achieved using cellular telephones and Internet
communication through email, chatrooms, and Web pages.

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:50 PM07-25-2006 06:50 PM:

Posted by: McMedic Jun 26 2006, 07:10 PM
Good info. Thanks!

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:51 PM07-25-2006 06:51 PM:

Posted by: Doktor_Jeep Jun 27 2006, 12:43 AM

The advantage of a guerilla are many. This kind of warfare results when there is no
large standing army to counter a large standing army of an enemy.

Because the starting post was so all-encompassing, I need not bloviate further
except for three observations:

- one guerilla with a 10 cent rifle cartridge can take out a very expensively trained

- there is always a home team advantage

- the mere existence of a very cheap unconventional force makes the enemy field
very expensive conventional forces.

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:52 PM07-25-2006 06:52 PM:

Posted by: Zeroedin Jun 27 2006, 10:50 PM

This is where I feel RIGHT AT HOME! UNconventional is my second birth! Ha!
Here's a little Article that gives some simple counsel on what R_E_A_L_L_Y MATTERS
out the "in the Streets". Where the "guerilla" lives!


"We trickle down SWAT tactics to our patrol officers and it works. SWAT emphasizes
"initiative-based" or "thinking" tactics". Since we are encouraging our officers to
think, we should be providing them with a tactical footprint that makes them think in
training and on the streets.

In today's training world, the focus tends to be on the tactic and the proper
application of that tactic in a scenario. Hence, officers are taught to survive that
particular scenario but not provided with the ability to adapt when confronted with a
real-life situation.The scenario should be of secondary importance.

It is how the officer emotionally reacts, what the officer does (tactically), and why
the officer did it (was it the best option) that is of primary importance and concern.
If officers cannot control their startle reaction, it does not matter what tactics they
Decision-making needs to be at the forefront of all training events. In my agency, we
do bring the streets to the range and conversely we require our sergeants to
evaluate the effectiveness of that training in the operational field environment.

If it works in training but fails on the street, the training needs to change.

Dr. Larry Blum has provided my agency with a platform for engaging officers in a
training environment that is based on decision-making under stress. It works."

Sgt. Quinn McCarthy
Proficiency Skills Supervisor
Tucson (AZ) PD
----------------------------------END of ARTICLE-------------------------------------------

Now, this is the sort of TACTICAL input that we need to garner from those "what AM
DOING IT!" I "copy/pasted" this from a POLICE SCIENCE "chat room" sort of site. I'm
sure I'll be finding more of this calibre input for the future. But give this some
congitation....the "STARTLE CONTROL" mechanism of your mind is based upon
PREconicent determinants...practice, experience, and "disciplined thinking".

I am a bit reticent to say this, [since I've NEVER been privileged to have the op to
GO to one], but it seems to me (from "practice that I and some friends DID get in in
Tenn.) that organized FTX's SHOULD BE as REALISTIC, & "under actual conditions"
as possible & as often as possible. [paintguns?]

the CENTRAL POINT IS THO, you've got to do MOST of the "MENTAL
CONDITIONING" prior to the "event", & then, the "EVENT" will simply show you what
you're missing...

Hope this is helpful!

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:53 PM07-25-2006 06:53 PM:

Posted by: Zeroedin Jun 27 2006, 11:17 PM

I just want to add a little something more:

"And that is the point of SpecWar. That's why you don't just blow up the depot
behind the lines; you srew with the enemy's head. THAT is the point of the spear!"

Crd. Richard Marcinko: Founder & first leader of "S.E.A.L.TEAM SIX" [America's
PREMIER Anti-Terrorist team]

"GUERILLAS IN THE MIST"[Pallidin Press]; & "RED CELL"[Marcinko]; and finally
"GOOD LIVING IN GRUBBY TIMES"[Green Beret S Srg. Don Paul - Pathfinder Press].

All of these books are the product of years of "GOING THERE & DOING IT!" as either
Counter-guerrilla, or guerilla combatants. If THEY don't know how, & what, & where
& why...........NOBODY DOES!
READ'em, STUDY'em, & LEARN how to STAY alive under seriously uncomfortable

Hope these are helpful!

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 07-25-2006 06:53 PM07-25-2006 06:53 PM:

Posted by: Doktor_Jeep Jun 28 2006, 11:35 AM

One use for UW is to drive the enemy over the edge so they do things that make
them lose politically and ensure they never win the hearts and minds (this is an
attribute of 4GW)

Take a look at this snip from an article by Bill Lind:
Bood Stripes quickly immerses its reader in the chaos of infantry combat in Iraq,
which, too often, is combat against an unseen enemy.

Barely three weeks into their deployment, 3rd Platoon had already discovered
several IEDs throughout Husaybah. Thus far, they had managed to find a couple of
them using an unconventional, dangerous, and effective technique: kick them….

(Sgt.) Soudan approached the plywood. He was standing about eight feet away.


Everything went black…

Because the explosion was close to the base, the medical evacuation (MEDEVAC)
happened quickly….

The patrol stepped off. They were heading east, father away from base camp.

Three minutes passed.


From the sound of the explosion, Soudan knew this latest IED had hit south, on the
street 3rd Squad was patrolling….

Link called Soudan. "We‘re on our way."
Ten seconds passed.


Link‘s squad.

Experiences like these at the small unit level – by the end of the patrol, these
Marines had been hit by five IEDs – provide some context in which those of us
stateside can put events like the supposed massacre in Haditha. So does a story
later in the book, where Marines engaged mujahideen in a prolonged and vicious

Sergeant Soudan, Corporal Link, and Lieutenant Carroll were standing in the back of
a humvee. After triaging the wounded from the dead, they had placed the bodies of
Gibson, Valdez, and Smith in the humvee with VanLeuven. The Recon Marines ran
up, muscling the body of the other dead Marine into the vehicle.

Soudan, Link, and Carroll looked at their fallen comrade.

Their faces went white.

Captain Gannon.

Lima Six was dead.

They killed our company commander. Pain switched to fury and an immediate
demand for vengeance. These -------- killed Captain Gannon.

In this example we see remote ambushes by explosives chained in a manner that
keeps the heat on. According to the book "Killing Zone", following one successful
ambush with another during the post ambush lull will demoralize an enemy force.

I apologize for using attacks on US forces as an example, but a tactic is a tactic a
like all weapons and such as a tool useable by anybody against anybody. I knew our
problems in Iraq and Afgan were coming when I saw contempt for the enemy -
writing them off as dopey ragheads. When I saw the movie "True Lies" for the first
time that depicted the arab terrorists as a bunch of goons who look at each other
and scream before they get blown up, I knew we were going to get an educational
experience from that culture eventually.

Posted by zeroedin (Member # 2857) on 07-31-2006 06:38 PM07-31-2006 06:38
Mr. Danelo further states:

"...One personal note: Danelo rightly reports that Marines, inspired by Steven
Pressfield‘s brilliant novel Gates of Fire, like to see themselves as Spartans, which in
some ways they are. As an Athenian, I have to point out that the battle of
Themopylae, however deathless a tale of valor, was nonetheless a Persian victory in
the end. In contrast, at Salamis, Persia was decisively defeated by Athenian
deception and maneuver. Sometimes, it helps to think as well as fight..."[end of

Zeroedin says:
I took this quote from the Lew Rockwell site that Dr. Jeep provided. It's at the end of
the article Dr. Jeep cut/pasted for us.

But, I'd like to add a bit of History to this piece that I believe is EXCEPTIONALLY


Leonidas, realizing that further fighting would be futile, dismissed all Greek forces
save the surviving Spartans and Thebans on August 11; the Spartans having pledged
themselves to fight to the death, and the Thebans held as hostages as Thebes'
loyalty to Greece was questioned. However, a contingent of about 700 Thespians, led
by Demophilus, refused to leave with the other Greeks. Instead, they chose to stay
in the sacrificial effort to delay the advance and allow the rest of the Greek army to

The significance of the Thespians' refusal should not be passed over. The Spartans,
brave as their sacrifice indubitably was, were professional soldiers, trained from birth
to be ready to give their lives in combat as Spartan law dictated. Conversely, the
Thespians were citizen-soldiers (Demophilus, for example, made his living as an
architect) who elected to add whatever they could to the fight, rather than allow the
Spartans to be annihilated alone. Furthermore, the Spartan royal bodyguard had to
stay because of their king's order. No one forced the Thespians to do so; it was their
free will.

Though their bravery is often overlooked by history, it was most certainly not
overlooked by the Spartans, who are said to have exchanged cloaks with the
Thespians and promised to be allies for eternity..."[Wickipedia...BATTLE OF

T_H_A_T my friends, is the legacy of our calling! T_H_A_T is the GENUINE


Yes! Of COURSE there's the WISDOM & TACTICAL NECESITY issue...but I think you
get my point! Thus, THERMOPYLAE was an EXCELLENT example of UW! To the
E_X_T_R_E_M_E! Too bad they didn't give that "back door" pass a bit more thought
& prep...could have been a tremendous FLANKING op for the other Greek
troops...OR, who knows what. Unfortunately, they didn't FULLY prepare for BOTH

That's another FACTOR that is HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT to UW...COVER A_L_L of the
options that you can, by PLANNING C_A_R_E_F_U_L_L_Y...take the TIME to FULLY
plan & make sure your "exit strategy" is FULLY & MATICULOUSLY developed, so as to
inflict the MAXIMUM injury on the enemy, with the MINIMUM on your troops.

Posted by apetite (Member # 3793) on 03-30-2007 11:18 PM03-30-2007 11:18

There is a book by ernesto che guevara called Guerilla Warfare.

Posted by 08-ARTY (Member # 3529) on 11-05-2007 06:28 PM11-05-2007 06:28

One of the best books I read on the subject is Total Resistance, by Maj. von Dach.
It's available through Paladin Press. The book is old as the hills, but unconvetional
warfare doesn't need to be high tech. In reality, it should concentrate on the basics,
tailored to the situation and equipment on hand.

Posted by Doktor_Jeep (Member # 354) on 11-05-2007 08:42 PM11-05-2007
08:42 PM:

I am currently reading Total Resistance and it has one flaw: it assumes an enemy
that is simply not going to kill everybody.

Everything else is pretty good.

Posted by DanD (Member # 3411) on 11-05-2007 09:09 PM11-05-2007 09:09 PM:

I doubt it would kill EVERYBODY - it needs SOME slaves! I should get this need
money applying at walgreens need ammo

Posted by Taylor County (Member # 3748) on 11-06-2007 07:27 AM11-06-2007
07:27 AM:

Right on O8-ARTY! No flaw in that book. THey do need some slaves and they have to
have a certain # of civies and workers and they have to keep them at a certain level
of happiness. Think VC and how they beat us. No I am not commie or a VC symp.
Just student.. Look at our trash, no really, trash bins, junk piles. We still have tools
to make tools, oak branches to hollow out. Hell grow some bamboo trees.. Use your
mind. Yes, it might be hard, but your deteamaination and attitude is everything. Try
this while on subject of the Swiss..
Posted by 08-ARTY (Member # 3529) on 11-06-2007 07:49 PM11-06-2007 07:49

Taylor County...Ya ever work construction? Ya seen a HILTI ceiling grid hanging gun?
Hmmmm.... with a few mods... Also, just think of all the other tools in the
contstruction trades. Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, masonry... We got RIGID
conduit, electric wire (the garrote comes to mind), sheetrock saws, hammers,
circular saw blade throwing stars (joking on that one. So, we combine our trash
piles, and dipsty dumpsters, and tools, and we got a whole mess of stuff to work

Posted by dreadstalker (Member # 2459) on 06-09-2008 08:54 PM06-09-2008
08:54 PM:

"T.E.Lawrence, best known as "Lawrence of Arabia," introduced a theory of guerrilla
warfare tactics in an article he wrote for the Encyclopedia Britannica published in
1938. In that article, he compared guerrilla fighters to a gas. The fighters disperse in
the area of operations more or less randomly. They or their cells occupy a very small
intrinsic space in that area, just as gas molecules occupy a very small intrinsic space
in a container. The fighters may coalesce into groups for tactical purposes, but their
general state is dispersed. Such fighters cannot be "rounded up." They cannot be
contained. They are extremely difficult to "defeat" because they cannot be brought to
battle in significant numbers. The cost in soldiers and material to destroy a
significant number of them becomes prohibitive, in all senses, that is physically,
economically, morally, etc. It should be noted that Lawrence describes a non-native
occupying force as the enemy (e.g. the Turks)."

This should be required reading in all of your FTX.
That is how I see the militias role in upcoming conflicts.

Posted by earl3 (Member # 4374) on 08-16-2009 07:37 PM08-16-2009 07:37 PM:

I am new here and I want to say this is very informative stuff ! Thanks .
I am working on a modern times strategy and guerrilla tactics manuel . Right off the
top I realized that these 3-5 man groups will have to have absolute confidence in
each other .
You begin something like this and pleasantly find you are in some good company .
Thanks 2 ya all !

Posted by SGTBloodLoss (Member # 3900) on 08-16-2009 07:46 PM08-16-2009
07:46 PM:

Before you finish writing that, spell it with an A, not an E: manual.

Posted by earl3 (Member # 4374) on 08-16-2009 08:12 PM08-16-2009 08:12 PM:

hey thanks and eye will .
One of the tactics I am developing is a remote control air defense in an egagement
of military style helicopters . These remotes , about 10'-12' + wingspan ,when
made mostly of wood do not show up on radar . The remote ground vehicles will
work good for the enemy troops and support vehicles .
Hey Sarge spell check and get back ,

Posted by Marc (Member # 2982) on 08-25-2009 02:15 PM08-25-2009 02:15 PM:

tag for later study

The Proper Use of Cover

Lessons learned from dynamic training

Putting something solid — or better yet, something that will slow if not stop the
penetration of bullets (cover) between you and the bad guy — is a wise tactical
choice. Why then, is the use of cover so frequently ignored by officers in their
firearms training? Go to any law enforcement range and watch a qualification course.
Chances are that only one stage, if that, will encourage or offer the officer the use of
cover. Yes, many deadly assaults occur out in the open. But even in those incidents
cover may be within a step or two, and can be gained after you draw or while you‘re
drawing your pistol, or, for that matter, while you‘re shooting. Furthermore, cover
should be sought as soon as tactically possible after shots have been fired (bad guys
have been known to fake and also have been known to use back up).

Be cover conscious. As you go through your daily routine look around at/for available

The use of cover is a good way to gain and keep the tactical advantage. We will call
this ―cheating,‖ and in the context of a gunfight, cheating is good! Dueling (standing
at 10 paces as you and your antagonist lob projectiles at each other) is a sure fire
way to get yourself killed.

While conducting training for my agency‘s detectives, I was astounded as to how
many of their techniques fell apart when they, while armed with Simunitions had
to... 1) neutralize a threat; 2) from cover, while; 3) getting shot at by a suspect
armed with a paintball gun. As I fired paintballs on their positions of cover, they
were instructed to make hits on me while minimizing their own exposure. All manner
of contortions and positions were assumed, but what won time after time were the
following tactics:

Modify your stance based on the type of cover. This means that if you have
narrow cover you must get narrow. Short cover requires you get small. Just get the
most that you can behind the cover position. This requires that you practice getting
into positions wherein you can properly use cover and accurately fire. You never
want to do something for the first time while in a gunfight. This is why we practice
and why we must practice using different heights, sizes and types of cover.

Stay at least an arm’s reach away from cover. If you hug your cover position
you are limited in your movement and may be hit by secondary projectiles or
shrapnel, if bullets hit the surface in front of you. It seems that some people equate
being close to cover with safety, but just the opposite is true. Closeness limits your
response options and is actually more dangerous.

Stay back an arm's length from cover. By "hugging" cover you limit your tactical

Don’t quick peek. I was taught the use of the quick peek in officer survival training
years ago. It is vastly overrated. The theory is that, with a quick peek, you can find
your assailant while minimizing your own exposure. The problem is frequently the
quick bob-out-and-back doesn‘t let you get enough visual input to see much of
anything, and if you do, once you‘re behind cover the suspect may move. Also, when
peeking, you are in no position to shoot. I had numerous detectives that tried to use
this technique repeatedly, only to catch a paintball on their face mask. In training we
call this ―learning.‖ On the street we call this ―getting shot.‖

Be on your sights before exposing yourself from cover. Align the sights behind
cover. When you roll out, find the bad guy and place that alignment on the suspect
(this is called ―sight picture‖). Don‘t try to move out from cover, then align the sights
find the suspect, and make the shot. This takes too much time and exposes you
while you‘re doing it. Reduce the process by already having the sights aligned.

Roll out. I‘ll credit John Farnam with recommending this technique. The idea is to
roll your upper body out from cover versus stepping out. It is accomplished by
getting a solid base behind cover with one or the other foot forward, and rolling out
from the waist. I‘ve seen it successfully done with a variety of foot positions.
In order to "roll out" from cover, have the pistol up and roll out from the waist.

Shoot around, not over, cover. The exception is long low cover, like a wall where
you cannot shoot around. Our eyes are positioned one third of the way down from
the top of our heads. When we shoot over cover, we expose a lot of target before we
are able to see and return fire. So, shoot around cover by rolling out from the side.

You must adapt to the size of your cover. If possible shoot around not over low

Reload behind cover. If at all possible, do all speed and tactical reloads behind
cover, as well as any malfunction clearance drills. You are susceptible to fire while
reloading. If cover is available, while not perform these pistol operations while safely
ensconced? In my opinion, all malfunction drills should be done behind cover. Think
of it—do you really want to be clearing a double feed out in the open while the
suspect is busting caps in your direction? Even if your double feed clearance drill is
drawing a second gun, wouldn‘t this be more safely accomplished from behind cover?

Now that you‘ve learned some of the lessons I did, go out and practice the use of
cover. As you go through your daily routine, be cover conscious. Work around your
house, car or other points of cover. Use Airsoft or Simunitions for a safe force-on-
force training exercise. While on the range, increase the amount of practice in which
you use cover, move to cover, and shoot while moving to cover. While doing
simulation training, if you have a bad guy role player armed with a marking cartridge
pistol ready to tag you if you give him or her the chance, I guarantee you‘ll approach
the use of cover with a little bit more realism and not like some TV hero.

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Regulated Militia.

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Posted by Doktor_Jeep (Member # 354) on 06-08-2007 03:39 PM06-08-2007
03:39 PM:

Denial of Combined Arms tactics.

Often this subject comes up in usual online and FTF discussions, along with the
occasional discussion by those who love state powers whether in war or police
actions; such missives ending with "You can't beat them. They can surround you and
outnumber you and have all the equipment."

Daunting a task as it seems, such cases involve little more than previous situations
of small forces versus superior ones. There is nothing new under the sun here. Only
what is missing is this: when people are so intimidated by the knight on the 1 ton
warhorse bedecked in shining armor and wielding a sword no blacksmith had the
resources to make, nobody realizes that you can destroy the forge, poison the horse,
and steal the knights underwear (ensuring he will not wear that chainmail *ouch*).

Denial of Combined Arms.

The Art of War will point out "Attacking the enemy where he is weakest". This tends
to be the peroverbial supply line for the most part but in older 2nd and 3rd
generation warfare this was difficult. Basically you sent teams deep behind enemy
lines to blow bridges and cut pipelines and other wartime stuff on a to-do list. Basic
and simple and great stories are written about it and great movies are made.

With the advanced state of 3rd Generation Manuever Warfare and the evolution of
4th Generation Warfare, DOCA might need to be looked at from different angles.

First, advanced 3rd GW is more than supply lines, it's FOPS and FRPs (forward
operating and forward refueling) that are depended upon to extend the reach of an
advancing military force. Second are the high-speed supply lines that do not, as we
might imagine, simply trail in a convoy behing the advancing forces. As seen in Iraq,
it's more complicated than that now.

3rd GW depends highly on Combined Arms Tactics to overwhelm the enemy and take
ground. To put it simply. It's most effective against a force that digs in or attempts
to fight the battle 2GW style. Combined arms tactics mean what it says: using
everything from boots to aircraft to get the job done. He who can overextend the
furthest without suffering for it (like tanks running out of fuel or helos with no
replacement blades) will win.

For the opponents, they bear the brunt of Combined Arms in the worst way,
simultaneosly bombed from high above, strafed by gunships, and advanced upon by
tanks. Without your own air force and tanks, there is no way to deal with this on
these terms.

But there is a 4GW element in dealing with Combined Arms tactics that makes it very
expensive and takes an edge off of the original intent.

Imagine that you have a fighting force that attempts to take and control a valley. An
enemy, using Combined Arms, will deploy gunships as far from it as they safely can
and fuel range will allow, and perhaps fighter jets or bombers. Tanks can be used as
well. Keeping that valley will be expensive if at all possible. The only thing
accomplished by an inferior force when such measures are thrown at it is, they
managed to make the enemy spend a lot of money and manpower to come after

Job well done, now leave the valley.

Because if you stay there, at most you might be lucky enough to make a footnote in
history about a group of brave men who "kept a valley against a superior force for a
few days until they had to be hauled off in buckets".

What happens for example, is with gunships. The gunships might be stationed far
enough away to be safe from the inferior force or remnants thereof, but also far
enough away from the main base where all of the parts and fuel are. So it get very
convenient for that force to use them quickly and reduced logistical overhead. What
happens is, say there are 4 gunships at a FOP, and all 4 of them can (with glee)
make things quite miserable for that dug-in inferior force trying to keep that valley.

But lets suppose that those inferior forces only make it appear there is just enough
control of the valley to make the enemy want to send gunships (costing them
manpower and money) and there are detachments safely away from the valley.
What to do? Now a smaller force still has 4 gunships after their AO to turn them into
grease spots.

But what if the FOP is attacked? Will they still send all 4 to the valley?

And then, even if a somewhat lame attack, there will now have to be more security
at the FOP, complete with more support for it (somewhat defeating the FOP idea). Of
course they will want to put more supplies into it now they had to send more troops
to defend it. That means more supply lines. Worse yet for them, they might want to
keep at least 1 of those gunships around to defend the FOP. Now you have only 3
gunships going to the valley. No sending them all in for a Turkey shoot then.

Meanwhile, another point, not in the valley is attacked. Will they have to dilute the
gunships at the FOP further or bring more in, turning it into more of a base. And now
how many who were at the original base are now at the FOP(s). Can the base be
attacked now? And what if it was at this point? Imagine now they might have to send
tanks to the FOP or into the field. Less at the base.

Surely and perhaps one less gunship being used the way they want it. Some tanks
perhaps not being used the way they want to. More troops to deploy in ways and
places they did not intend or want. Costing more money, creating shortages in areas
they did not plan for, and creating more vulnerabilities. Meanwhile, certain extremely
demoralizing tactics used against all that men and machinery running around with no
clear battle line....

Even the mere threat of this alone can be enough in some cases. The enemy might
be so paranoid at a certain point that they will go Supersize on every operation,
costing more men, material and money to the point that little forays against the
inferior force would have to be ruled out and spared only for big moves that have
more garunteed results. Imagine that 50 man force kept at a small refueling point to
protect it: that's 50 less enemy to have coming after you.

Kind of like how the US Forces took Iraq rapidly using 3rd GW tactics and then are
now held up in the "Green Zone" waiting for the government to keep funding some
"big push". This shows that no superior force is spared the effects of DOCA tactics.

Probably the better defined elements of DOCA would be:

Cost - creating only enough threat to make the enemy waste resources on you.
When you use a 1 million dollar missile to destroy an old truck, who really wins that

Manpower - making the enemy use more troops for something that might have
taken less, costing more money and material even for smaller operations.

Fear - the fear instilled in an enemy will make them disperse resources and
equipment widely, making them more vulnerable to attack while at the same time
creating more logistical problems and cost. And and enemy that is prone to fear a
lot, either by people who get paid to solve all those problems or propaganda that
inflates the lethality of an insurgent force beyond it's ability to garner support for the
actions used against it (this is called "Falling for their own bullshit"), will make rather
silly moves and even go so far as make more enemies.

Moral - hit and run tactics, or anything from the official "Insurgents Book of Dirty
Deeds", will make these constantly moving, constantly ruck-hauling, and constantly
in fear enemy soldiers quite worn out. And civilian contractors who might haul the
dirty laundry and fuel for cheap will rething things and ask for a lot more money,
making the soiled underwear so much more expensive the enemy might have to go
commando in the winter time.

Politics - not wiping the enemy out, not making an example of them, and poor reflex
actions against the populace (only a matter of time with worn out demoralized
soldiers), while costing way more money than a tax base is willing to spend and way
more graves than they are willing to dig, is the political edge of 4GW and a reason
for DOCA.

And remember, not only with the cost of fielding soldiers, but the political
implications as well, whenever an inferior force takes down one soldier of a superior
one using a .13 Cent rifle cartridge, AFTER so many 10 of thousands spent on
training, equiping, and deploying that soldier, marksmanship is still the most
important skill. (Running away real fast is the second).

Posted by zeroedin (Member # 2857) on 06-12-2007 08:47 PM06-12-2007 08:47
Dr. "J"...Since we're taliking 4th Gen., let's look at this from a SMALL UNIT

We're NOT going to even be around, when the GREAT KNIGHT shows up...(who'll
care WHAT he's riding or wearing)...cause we'll have ALREADY blown his FOPS &
FRPS to smithereens!

We're going to be the COOKS in the local "Military luchenette"...or the street
sweepers..garbage collecters..window washers...WHATEVER, that get "allowed" onto
base, for service jobs, & that way RECON, & establish methods to infiltrate, aggitate,
aggrivate, rock'n roll...and make general havoc, without jepordizing the "inside
contact"...o.k.? BUT! Those "RECON" units WON'T be COMBAT troops...until they
HAVE to "disapear".

We're NOT going to be "TAKING ON THE ENEMY"...this is WHY I so often suggest
reading MARCINCOS' "ROUGE WARRIOR" Series Books, because there are DOZENS
of good ideas in them, as to how to wadge 4th Gen WARFARE...If the SEALS don't
now how to...NO body does!

AND PLEASE do not get me wrong here. It's NOT that I'm thinking negatively about
you're post, or that it isn't valuable...(I've ALREADY "copy/pasted" into my MANUAL).

It's just that I REALLY think that we're going to be forced into a MUCH MORE
SERIOUS "INSURGENCY" roll, than anything NEAR a conventional type of combat
dynamic. So that:

KEEPING THAT VALLEY, won't enter our strategy sessions. BUT! How to CUT their
supply lines, capture their commo units...destroy their FOPS....assassinate their local
leaders...blow up their eating facilities...snipe individuals...etc.

Are THOSE the sort of idea you're talking about?s

Posted by ConSigCor (Member # 7) on 10-14-2007 06:10 PM10-14-2007 06:10 PM:


Swarming tactics have been used successfully in wars throughout history by a
variety of organizations from the tribal Parthians (horse archers) to 20th century
Germans (U-boats). Global guerrillas (next generation terrorists) will likely use
swarming tactics as part of their doctrine. This technique, in combination with new
market-based financing techniques is what's called a killer combo.

A good place to start an analysis of swarming is Sean Edwards' Swarming on the
Battlefield (PDF downloads). Here's his excellent definition of swarming: a primary
maneuver that results in an attack from multiple directions (all points on the
compass) by 5 or more (semi) autonomous units on a single target/unit.

It's easy to see the advantages of this type of maneuver:
* It cuts the enemy target off from supply and communications.
* It adversely impacts the moral of the target.
* It makes a coordinated defense extremely difficult (resource allocation is intensely
* It radically increases the potential of surprise.

Swarming is typically divided into two types:
Massed swarming -- Swarmers begin as a massed unit. They break apart and then
swarm on target.
Dispersed swarming -- Units are dispersed (geographically) from the start. Once a
target is identified, they converge to attack. This is the most difficult of the two types
of swarming to defend against since the attacker never presents a massed target.

Historically, swarming is successful only when it scores high in the following areas:

* Elusiveness -- either through mobility or concealment.
* Long range firepower -- standoff capability.
* Superior situational awareness -- having more information about the enemy than
they have about you.

Swarming contra infrastructure systems: guerre de course
Given this background, how will global guerrillas use swarming? First, the target for
global guerrillas won't be isolated military units but rather urban infrastructure
systems. The objective of these attacks will be damage that results in economic
attrition. Let's examine how global guerrilla's will leverage swarming tactics to
accomplish this objective.

The effectiveness of Global Guerrilla swarmers.
attack_rotationGlobal guerrilla swarmers will maintain their effectiveness across the
vital swarming attributes in the following ways:
# Elusiveness. Global guerrillas attain concealment through anonymity in large urban
environments. Reliance on the local population isn't necessary. High degrees of
mobility are accomplished by leveraging public transportation networks.
# Superior situational awareness. Open source intelligence is easy to accomplish (via
the Internet, the media, and other sources). Further, encrypted global
communications, via the Internet, enables global intelligence sharing information
sharing. The small size of operational cells limits the potential of discovery and
counter-guerrilla intelligence development.
# Standoff attacks. Like many historical swarming attacks, global guerrillas will have
significant standoff firepower potential -- the ability to attack from a distance.
However, this firepower isn't a traditional weapon, rather, its the global guerrilla's
ability to use attacks on infrastructure to impact downstream systems miles (perhaps
hundreds of miles) distant. Attacks will be rotated among infrastructures in a modern
variant of horse archer tactics.

How global guerrilla swarmers will surmount traditional limits to operations.
Historically, swarmers have been limited by terrain, logistics, and communications.
Global guerrillas will not be constrained by these limits. This makes global guerrilla
swarming unique to history as can be seen in the attached 2x2 matrix. The upshot is
that global guerrillas will be able to conduct dispersed swarming maneuvers on the
operational level. Here's how global guerrillas will surmount the traditional limits on

* Ubiquitous public transportation networks (roads to airlines) enable rapid, low-cost
transportation for dispersed units.
* Logistics requirements can be met via open economic transactions and don't
require population support. The requirements for operations are relatively limited
(damage to infrastructure requires low-tech tools). Additionally, the small size of the
cells (~5 people) requires little housing/food/etc and in most cases would fall well
below the threshold of detection.
* Real-time, anonymous, wireless communications (both data and voice -- VoIP, e-
mail, Web, cellphones, etc.) enable global guerrillas to coordinate dispersed
operations on the operational level. Tactical operations will be of a conventional type,
typically by a single unit or individual.

Posted by John Robb

* Integrate terrorism, subversion, humanitarian work, and insurgency to support
propaganda designed to manipulate the perceptions of local and global audiences

* Aggregate the effects of a very large number of grassroots actors, scattered across
many countries, into a mass movement greater than the sum of its parts, with
dispersed leadership and planning functions that deny us detectable targets

* Exploit the speed and ubiquity of modern communications media to mobilize
supporters and sympathizers, at speeds far greater than governments can muster

* Exploit deep-seated belief systems founded in religious, ethnic, tribal, or cultural
identity, to create extremely lethal, nonrational reactions among social groups

* Exploit safe havens such as ungoverned or undergoverned areas (in physical or
cyber space); ideological, religious, or cultural blind spots; or legal loopholes

* Use high-profile symbolic attacks that provoke nation-states into overreactions that
damage their long-term interests

* Mount numerous, cheap, small-scale challenges to exhaust us by provoking
expensive containment, prevention, and response efforts in dozens of remote areas

Posted by Doktor_Jeep (Member # 354) on 10-15-2007 12:39 PM10-15-2007
12:39 PM:

I have not read your entire post, CSC - not yet.

But the first thing that comes to mind, given the cursory glance, is "flash mob".

Posted by J. Croft (Member # 3405) on 10-15-2007 02:46 PM10-15-2007 02:46

You can deny their combined arms by sabotaging their ammunition plants, stealing
their freight, blowing up transport links, making facilities unusable through
explosives, chemicals or an outbreak.

You can deny further development by subverting their designers and engineers-or
targeting them if they won't see the light.

You can deny their ability to fly by attacking refineries, pipelines, rail links, tankers.

You can deny them a moment's rest by surveying where most active duty and
support personnel live and go for recreation....

You can sabotage the raw materials that are used in manufacturing weapons.
Additives, impurities, whatever is appropriate. Or sabotage the facilities themselves.

These approaches are a long term strategy and except for targeting enemies in
civilian settings won't have a immediate impact. A few years down the road if
pressure can be built up and sustained the lack of scientists and engineers to design
and service their wonder weapons, the strangling of resources, sabotaged plants,
perloined weapons and munitions, all the dead that they couldn't guard, will
inevitably strangle their war efforts.

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