Rusciano, Anthony - Statement

TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF ANTHONY RUSCIANO Airight, the date right now is August 18, 2008. The time right now is 1453 hours. I'm Detective Melich with the Orange County Sheriff's Office. Also present is 10 11 12 Sergeant John Allen with the Orange County Sheriff's Office, Also present is uh, Deputy Anthony Rusciano. And Anthony, you are currently employed with the Orange County Sheriff's Office, correct? Yes sir. YIVI: Okay. This is in reference to uh, case number 08-074777. Uhm, Anthony well WG asked you, or John gave you a call and asked you to come down and talk to us. You came on your own free will, correct? AR: YM: Yes. You came info the office. We started asking you questions about uhm, Casey Anthony, and whether or not you knew her. Because based on another conversation with Sergeant Allen over the phone l guess we'd come up with some information that you might have been.... 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Yes. YM ....connected through uh, either My Space or Face Book.... Yes sir. Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG ...or anything else? Okay. And that's the reason we wanted to have you corne in here today. Uhm, John, did you want to start with questioning? JA: Sure. Uhm, I, I want to get the, the initial stuff out of the way first. Uh, during our initiai conversation where you indicated you'd only met her once at a party.... AR: JA: Yes sir. ...you have since told us that wasn't true and you lied to us because you were just afraid, right? AR: JA: Yes sir. Okay. Uhm, uh, you come in here today and, and uh, you, you told us another version of those events. AR: JA: AR: JA: YlVh JA: YV: ES AR: YW!: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: Yes sir. Uhm, uh, and that wasn't, that, that wasn't entirely true either, right? There's a little more to it, yes sir. Okay, Do you remember the version of events that you told us..., Uh (inaudible). ...when you came in? Yes. To make sure.... Yes. Well right. It's the same dates for everything basically. Right.... The same (inaudible). 2 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #0 8-069 208/GG But you weren't, uh, S I guess I'm just trying to get through that, that you know, , 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you, you indicated before we went on tape.... Yes. JA; AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: ...the reason you've been untruthful with us, you're not hiding anything, right? No, no, no. You're not lying to us to mislead us in our investigation, okay? Absolutely not. You lied to us because you were afraid? Yes sir. Right? Uh, you lied to me the first time because you were afraid, right? Yes sir. You lied to us the first time you came here because you were afraid, right? Yes sir. But you're in no way trying to impede our investigation, okay? Absolutely not. You're not, you don't have some information about this and you're trying to misdirect us... Absolutely.... JA: AR: JA: ...in some other direction, right? Absolutely not. Okay. So uh, uh, uhm, you're just simply trying to keep your name out of what you think is a, as you explained to us you know, you don't want to be associated with this. AR: JA: Yes sir. Uh, but you don't have, you didn't, you didn't help in any crime? 3 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-G692G8/GG NO sir. You didn't help cover up a crime? No sir. JA: Anything that you toid us that wasn't the truth, the things you've told us so far that wasn't the truth was not in a, a, a deiiberate attempt on your part to mislead our investigation, right? AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: No sir. Okay? Absolutely not. You only did it because you were afraid? Yes sir. Okay. Alright. Uh, now that we've gotten that behind us, okay, uh, do you want to start, uh, I think we need to start with uh.... YM: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: The beginning. ...how you first met her, okay? Right, And uh, this time okay, you understand you're on tape? Yes sir. Okay? And I would like you to raise your right hand because uh, (unintelligible). Do you swear and affirm that this statement you're going to give us will be the truth? Yes sir. Okay. Alright. Why don't you start from the beginning and tell us how you first met her. 4 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-089208/GG I met her uhm, like I said, I don't know exact dates, when we went to the firing range, one of the days with Jesse she met us with her child. Jesse being? Grund. okay. Her ex-fiance. (Inaudible). He was in the Academy with me. Okay. Uhm, they met us at the Subway on 1 think it's Moss Park Road. The one that's right there by the Pubiix. Okay, And uh, they sat on one side and I sat with four or five guys on the other side. And uhm, after that, probably a coupie weeks after that uhm, I was working downtown at Latitudes. It's a bar off Church Street And she came in, i think, I guess she came in with him. And uhm, they were just hanging ail over each other. And he was flaunting her around. You know, trying to, i guess showing her off, however, whatever he was doing. Because they had gotten back together I'm assuming. So I was like, yeah (affirmative), that's cool; whatever. And we uh, became Face Book and My Space friends uhm, probably around Christmas time. But at this point I was dating a girl over in Tampa. And 1 talked to her a few times after that. And then I think it was around the 6th, I want to say, because we went to the, uh, what was that game? The Michigan/Florida game at, on the 1 s t . Uhm, and me and my girlfriend had broken up at that time. And I saw her a few days after that. So i want to say it was in a week, a week of the, 5 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-06920B/GG beginning of January. And uhm, we went and ate at the Hiawassee uhm, Aie House. The one off Hiawassee and, and 50. JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: Okay. And uhm, and then we uh, we hooked up after that. Meaning you hooked up, what do you mean you hooked up? Intimately. We're ail adults here. We had sex. You had sex? Yes sir. Okay, where did you guys have sex? Uh, at my apartment Your apartment? Yeah (affirmative). Okay. And that would have been, when would that have been? January. it was during January? Yeah (affirmative). Okay, Uh, do you know where her daughter was at that time? Absolutely not. Okay. Did she ever discuss her daughter while you guys were talking? No. Okay. The only time she ever toid me anything about her daughter was when she toid me she got a new job as a party planner or, or something along those lines. s Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-G692Q8/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1617 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JA: AR; JA; When would that have been? That time; January. During January? That was the first time she ever mentioned her to me. i had never seen her prior, I mean, in between the time that I met her at the Range and January I never saw the daughter, The only time i ever saw her... In between the time you met her at the Range in January how many times did you see her out socially or... With, at, at all... Uh-hum (affirmative). .., ever? Yes. Uh, I think just that time. I'm ninety-nine percent sure. Just that once or twice downtown because I would let, you know, you like let your friends in. Right. You make sure you don't, they don't pay the cover to get into the bar. Right. Were you a bouncer down there at Latitudes? Oh, security, yeah (affirmative). YWI: Security? Okay. Uhm, and maybe once or twice down there, At that time did she ever mention she had a daughter? Was there any conversation? I didn't talk to, really talk to her... Okay. 7 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-0692Q8/GG ...when she was at the bar because they were two girls off doing their thing. Alright They weren't even.... (Unintelligible). The, the, the, the, the, that first time you and her had sex at your apartment..., Uh-hum (affirmative). ,.. was there any discussion about her daughter,... Huh-huh (negative). ....at that time? Just that she had a party planner and that uhm, it was taking up a lot of her time. And that she was working from home. Alright. So that's all she really told me about it. So at that point did you even know that she had a daughter? I knew it because I met the daughter at the Subway. The daughter was with her. Okay. At the Subway down there? Yes. Okay. At, at the Range. Okay. Her daughter came with her. Alright, Because we all thought it was her sister. And then we're like, she's like, "No, it's my kid." 8 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-06920S/GG Okay. Alright, uh, and then after y'all have had sex that first time in your apartment what happened after that? AR: Uh, I didn't talk to her for a while. I want to say maybe a month, two months. Then it was a couple of things on My Space here or there, or Face Book, or uh, AIM, the instant Messenger thing. You know, hey, how you doing? Blah, blah, blah. And then I think we started talking again in the end of April, the beginning of May. JA: AR: Okay. Give or take. Pretty heavily on Instant Messenger., Not really through Face Book as much. And uh, I think I saw her, well she stopped by once. Uhm, uhm, I think it was, i want to say the beginning of May. She stopped by for a few minutes. Nothing happened. She just, she was talking about Jesse again. Something about how she was fighting with him. But she was talking to some new guy named Tony. JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: Okay. So I don't know who that is. Anduh.... So the, the time you guys had sex was she still engaged, that first time uh.... No. Ho. Was she stii! engaged to uh, Jesse at the time do you know? No. We, when we, when 1 met him she, she wasn't even engaged to him. Okay. They had broken up before... Okay. ...we went to, to the Academy. Alright, 9 Rusclano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG And then uhm.... So Tony comes into the picture? Kind of. Okay. Uh, she said something about some guy named Tony, i, I don't.... Okay. ... really* 1 don't even know who he is. And then I think around the end of May she came over again and we had sex again. I want to say towards the middle, toward the end of May. Okay. The same place. Uhm, she didn't say anything about where the kid was or uh, really didn't talk much about her at all. Did you ask? Huh-huh (negative). Okay. i really, not, uh, and then I want to say right around my birthday might have been the last time I physically talked to her on the phone or on My Space or Face Book or Instant Messenger, which is the first of June, give or take, I think. Anduh.... How, how many different of these, uh, how many different uh, these instant message conversations do you think you had with her? On, on the..,. Right. Like you mean the instant Messenger? Correct. A dozen maybe. 10 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #G8-069208/GG A dozen? From.... Over, over a, a couple months. JA: AR; JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: Starting when and ending when? Oh, uh, (sighs), probably between February and June. Okay, we're in June. Okay. Best guess. Alright, We have a, we actualiy have a, a conversation. Uh~hum (affirmative). ...an instant message conversation here, Uh-hum (affirmative). It looks like it took piace between you and her.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...in May. Correct. Uhm, on May the 8!h. Okay. Uh, what is your instant mess.... NY Italiano Three. Okay. So this would be, be you here? Yes sir. NY Italiano Three? Yes sir, And you knew her on-line as? Casey 0 Marie, yes. 11 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG Okay. Alright, let's, uh, let's go through this. Well it looks, it looks like this took place.... AR: JA: AR: JA: YM: JA: Uh-hum (affirmative). ...at uh, eleven o'clock at, at, at uh, uh, after eleven..., Okay. ... o'clock that evening. Let me'just get some of this before you go through \t Okay. Alright. How would you get, i mean how would you come about talking ■ with her on-line? How did, how would that normally happen? AR: JA: AR: Uhm, we!! she, a lot of the times she wasn't on. Uh-hum (affirmative). tt was always like, \ don't know if you know, but like if they're on but they're not there it, it says they're sleeping or whatever. JA: AR: Right. It's got a little icon next to it. So every once in a whiie I'd say, hey stranger, or she'd say, she'd come up and say something like, hey, how you doing and stuff like that. JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: Alright. And!.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...know, you know, it was just regular conversation from there. Alright. Oh, it looks, it looks like here that on the 8 th .... Uh-hum (affirmative). Uh, she's talking about at least the kid is passed out. Do you know who she's talking about there, do you know? 12 Rusciano. Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I'm assuming her, her daughter. But iike I said, you know, she may have said like subtle things like that, but uhm, unfortunately I really can't remember exact,... Alright, ....details of the conversation. Uhm, how bout her nanny? Did you, she ever have conversations about her nanny? Just about that like you said, iike she had a nanny but I didn't know who. Or... You're like..... .., or she didn't say exactly (inaudible). And iike I said, I, I'm asking you about your conversations with her.... Uh-hum (affirmative).. ...regarding the nanny. Did she ever indicate to you what the nanny's name? Did you ever meet the nanny? I never met the nanny, no. Do you know anybody else whose ever met the nanny? Maybe Jesse. Weil I'm, I'm asking you did..., Ho. ...did, did every.... I do not. Did you ever have a conversation with Jesse about her? About her? Yes. Just about her relationship with him. 13 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-Q692Q8/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Okay. Did, did he ever talk about the nanny? I don't think so. i can't, I can't really recall. Did you.... Uh, if he, if he did it wasn't by name and it was, i mean because he said when he was with her that I, i don't know if they were living together or not, but maybe they uh, that uh, uh, I really don't know. Alright. It looks like here uh, during this conversation and let's see here. So this is not, May 4th, oh, these are different. May 3rd. Okay, May 4th. Uh-hum (affirmative). They're not done puiling ail the records on those. Okay. They're still trying to find some more. So.... Okay. ...that's just the beginning of it. JA Yeah (affirmative). Let me ask you this while he's.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...while he's going through all that Since this case has come up.,.. Uh-hum (affirmative). YM ...what are your, what are your ideas about this nanny, having known her..,. What are my, what, uh, (inaudible). Well does she exist? The, uh, the, personally what do I think? Yeah (affirmative). You're just asking my personal opinion? 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG Yes. About the whole thing, or just about the nanny? About the nanny, Does she exist? I don't think so. Where do you think Cayiee was whenever she would come by and uh, spend time with you? i really don't know, 1 mean uh, i couldn't tell you. Okay. Every once, I mean the only thing that she ever said to me like along the lines of where the kid would be is what she, that her mom was coming home, or that her mom was with her. Nothing really about a nanny that I remember. Did she ever make any comments to you about how stressful it was or uh, how she was dealing or coping with having a child? Just that uh, how do, how do you put this? Like you know how like when you're young and you have, 1 don't know because I don't have kids, but when you're young and you have a kid that it's harder to like go out and have a good time or, or anything along those lines. Uh-hum (affirmative). And that, that's, that's the most she's ever said like to, like, or like me and Jess.,, like a bunch of us went out one night, the guys from the Academy, Uh-hum (affirmative). And he wanted to bring her but she couldn't go because of the kid I'm assuming. And she was like, you know it's, it's hard being such a young mom. And, and when she says stuff, like when somebody, and not even just her, when 15 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08~069208/GG somebody says stuff like that to me I'm like, wasn't it, wasn't it your choice to have the kid? You know or not. YM: Did, did she say that to you, or you're just hearing this third party from someone else? AR: I've heard her, I heard her say once or twice maybe that it's, it's hard being a single mom. YM: AR: Uh-hum (affirmative). Stuff like that. But that, 1 didn't think, take it as anything out of the ordinary because people say it all the time. YM: Did she make any comments to you or (uninteliigible) anything about you know, what if she hadn't had the kid, or what if you know she'd gone a different route with this whether she'd.... AR: YW1: AR: YM: Huh-huh (negative). ...give it up for adoption? No, i don't, I don't think so. Did she ever say, compare it to anything, fike how hard it is raising a child? It's uh, you know, she would rather have, you know, this, this, as opposed to having a kid? AR: No. She wouid just say that uh, you know, just like I said, it was hard being a single mom and being twenty. What is she, twenty-two (inaudible). YM: She ever compare it to being harder than working a twelve hour work scheduie dealing with a kid? AR: YM: AR: I don't, uh, uh, no. No sir. Or uh, I mean this is just another snippet. She uh, uh, like I said,... 16 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG No, that's okay. ...I'm sorry, I.... Oh, I'm just trying to pick your brain.... Okay. ...and see if you remembered independently. Yeah (affirmative). But and if not.... (Unintelligible). This is a different format.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ,,.that's over there, mind you, but uh, since you're NY italiano Three.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...uh, 1:03 p.m., I don't know what date.... Yeah (affirmative). ...it says. Yeah (affirmative), it said.... Uhm.,.. ...yeah (affirmative), I went downtown and got (inaudible). Yeah (affirmative). Do you remember what, what, what day this was you went down at (unintelligible). Oh, no, I, I don't. I don't. That was probably one day that i, I was probably, obviously probably more towards the latter and being drunk. Okay. Because it's one o'clock in the morning, Well that's one o'clock in the afternoon actually, so. 17 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Oh, is it? Oh.... Yeah (affirmative), yes. Hopefuliy you weren't getting drunk that early. No, no, no, (chuckles). it says here at about one uh,-3:43.... Uh-hum (affirmative). Uh, "Seriously, spending the day with Caylee is ten times more exhausting than working a twelve hour event." Oh. See that.... (Unintelligible)..., And that's.... Well yeah (affirmative). ...coming from her. Yeah (affirmative). That's the thing that, like she said the par...the party planning thing. Uh-hum (affirmative). So that, that's what I, I, iike I said lt I don't remember exact details, but.,.. Okay. But is that, is that conversation and now by looking at this you remember it may have been? Uh, probably, yeah (affirmative). Okay. AR: And then like, I, I guess, I mean, I'm trying to think. Maybe, maybe once she said, you know, I'm, I'm going to drop her off somewhere. But I'm not really exactly sure where. Or... Well... 18 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-0692G8/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ... she never gave me an exact place, if she did I, I really don't remember. She said it was ar... no, you know what? S think she said it was around where she lived. That's all I've really. Did she ever mention to you anything about this nanny at all? Uh, a name would come up, or siblings, or mom's name, or whether she had kids, or whether she's got a dog.... She said she was young. ...or anything? She said she was young. I remember that. She say where she met her, or how she met her? I don't remember. She said she was young and she might have said she had a kid that Caylee would play with.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...maybe. Uhm, I'm reaily, I really don't remember. I'm sorry. I'm really trying • her&. Uh... JA: AR; JA: AR: JA: Uh, some of the stuff we, you know, we're.,.. Uh-hum (affirmative). ...we're older and, and of course uh... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...don't, don't IM {instant message) that much. Uh-hum (affirmative). So you may have to help us out. Yeah (affirmative), if you need. BRB is? Be right back. 19 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG Be right back. K? Uh-hum (affirmative). What is that? K; okay. Okay. Uh, you're talking to her here. ! can see, I could DEF? DEF; definitely. Definitely see you moving into a GF role? Girlfriend. Okay. Uh, right here, up here, uh, she seems to be talking about the nanny coming back from Tampa. ■Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhrn, "She's coming back from Tampa. Her sister is getting married this weekend." Okay. Do you remember her telling you anything about the nanny's uh, uh, uh, somebody in the nan..,uh, the nanny going to a wedding? Anything like that? No. She never, I don't remember her telling me anything about that. I just, the, the best I can remember she said she was young. She might have had a son or a daughter that was around the same age. Alright, it looks like here, "Yeah (affirmative), I just called her. She's on 1-4. Good, so that's a plus. That it is/ And then you're uh, you seem to be asking here... She (unintelligible) take the... "So is she willing to get the^ offspring?" Yeah (affirmative), the child. 20 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-089208/GG I'm assuming you're talking about the offspring.... Yeah (affirmative), (unintelligible). ...you're talking about the child? Uh-hum (affirmative), Okay. And as for the sex. Uh, "Let's, hey let's (unintelligible) right now when it is as good as it has been. I need it, i uh, I told you I need a routine. But it's not my main concern for seeing you.1' Uh~hurn (affirmative). JA: "Once in three weeks is a tease.11 Are you meaning uh, uh, uh, are you, are you getting here that.... AR: JA: Talking over seeing her on.... That you, you hadn't had sex with her in three weeks? Is that..,. I'm not sure if it was either I had sex with her or talking with her. Alright. But you know it's like when you talk to somebody and all of a sudden they just disappear off the face of the planet for a while. Okay. r That's why I said it was [ike a tease. JA: YlVh JA: 1 see. Yeah (affirmative). Okay. Down here, Casey Marie uh.... Uh-hum (affirmative). She's, you uh3 you're telling her, "Come over and I'll cook." Uh-hum (affirmative). JA: Uh, "How? You want me to bring the little snot head?" Uh... 21 Rusciano, Anfhony/Case #08»Q69208/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I didn't say anything. Like she.... Uhm.,.. ...itwas like.... Right, ! understand that. But, but she's, see, she seems to... Uh-hum (affirmative). Casey seems to be asking you here if you want her to bring the little,... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...snot head. Uh-hum (affirmative). JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: Uh, I'm assuming there the little.... Just I'm assuming.... .... snot head to be who? Yeah (affirmative), the child. Okay, so, so you beiieve that when she, when she's referring to the little snot head here.... AR: JA: AR: JA: The child. ... she's talking about her daughter? Yes. Okay. Uhm, I see. Okay. "I meant when she is accompanied by another adult.... i really don't even remember what that means. Okay. I'm sorry, huh. Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG : Well let me ask you. Did you ever, did she ever, was uh, did she ever refer to her child as a snot head uh, any other time when you guys were talking on the phone, or? AR: She called her like munchkin and, and weird little things like that. You know, like... JA: YiVi: JA: YM: JA; AR: JA: Alright. Yeah (affirmative), but what eise that's more close to snot head. Yeah (affirmative). Because that's not (unintelligible). I have pet names for my kids too. Yeah (affirmative), and snot head... And snot head is not one of them, okay? Mo. Uhm, ta, uh, nothing iike that. I mean that might have been the first time I ever, that's what, uh, that's why i didn't say anything. 1 was like what the hell is she talking about? And then, you know what I mean? And then ! figured (unintelligible).... She never mentioned the kid as like a little pain in the ass, or.... Uhm, like she was always calling her different, iike weird things, And it was good thing weird things, or.... Yeah (affirmative), it wasn't.... YIV! ...bad weird things. No, uh, not that i remember anything bad, but it was more like, you know iike, like munchkin. She said munchkin a lot. YIV!: Uh-hum (affirmative). 23 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG AR: S know she did, but snot head, that kind of, that, I remember that one because was like, well, you know. What'd she say about her parents to you? Uh, what was your impression, what was.... Uhm.... JA: AR; ... she gave you of the parents? She said when her morn and dad could that they would take care of the kid. But, and they,! mean they, she said that they iove him, and I, i believe that the way that she talked about her. But the, the, the fact the parents worked, that they couldn't take care of her all the time. That's why she had a nanny. What did she say about the relationship between her and the mom and her and her dad, or her and her brother? Uh, I know her brother doesn't live here so she didn't really talk much about him. Did she say where he iived? No. She said, ail I remember is her saying that she was moving up, she was supposed to move to Jacksonville or something with some guy she was dating up there. Uh-hum (affirmative). Mike, Matt, Mike. Okay. Something like that. And that she was buying a house up there for her and the daughter. YM: AR: In Jacksonville? I think so. Ruscrano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Did she ever say how she was going to pay for this house? No. She just said it was up north. And I'm assuming she said, I think she said Jacksonville. YM: Uh-hum (affirmative). And uhm, then i didn't taik to her for a little while after that, And after that I was like what the hell? And then she said she wasn't going up there. She broke up with this guy, whatnot, and uhm, she nev...she just said she would be glad to be out of the parents' house, but her parents helped her a lot with the kid. Like her mom would take her when she wasn't at work. But her mom worked full-time, so. YM: Did she mention any uh, an...any uh, any animosity between her and her mom or her and her dad? Nothing more than i complain about my parents. You know, my dad's a pain in the ass and,... So nothing out of the ordinary, or above, or saying she.... Right. ...you know, she, they're driving me crazy. They're driving me to drink; anything like that? Uh, I, f don't know. I mean she was, uh, when she, when I saw her out she, she flipped back pretty easily (inaudible). YM; What was uh, what else did she do besides uh, alcohol? What else did she..,. Nothing that I know, i would have said something about something like that. You know, I don't play with the'drug thing. If I knew about that I would have said something. What about uh, was she on (unintelligible) Ecstasy, marijuana? Huh-huh (negative). 25 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #0S-069208/GG Alright, you hear about what people do. Now.... I thought, well 1..., ...uh, whether, whether.... ...I thought, I.... ...you condone it or not uh, you, you certainly. [ know that she said she's tried stuff !ike that. Such as? The marijuana, Uh~hum (affirmative). And maybe uh, some kind of pills or something. ! don't.... Well a Zani Bar or something or uh, Ecstasy or? If, if she did it was in passing and it wasn't something that I really remember. What do you specifically remember her mentioning? Marijuana. Okay, what else? That's reaily it. Now what... Uhm, that, that's just the one that stuck out because i mean like I said, if she was talking to me while I was drunk, I, that's something I reaily honestly wouldn't remember, you know. But may, I mean 1 don't know. Did she ever say what the drugs make her uh, what, what uh, drugs make her fee! like, or how she acts when she starts taking drugs aside from the uh, liquor? 1 don't know. Not really. No. What was her tolerance for beer? She..., 26 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 g 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 High? Yeah (affirmative), She could put back. Hold her own? Yeah (affirmative). Every time that you go, whenever you guys would go out how much would she consume? Would she drink to excess, or would she just, would she be social about it or what? More social probably. How would she act when she started drinking? Would she be more open? Just get really like, like, you'd have to baby sit her.' Sloppy. Uh-hum (affirmative). Would she get angry, or kind of snap out of it? I would, oh, the only time ! really saw her shithouse like that was when she was with Jesse, He'd pretty much carry her out of the bar. So I mean that, that, I made my assumption about her right there. You know what I'm saying, like wow, this girl can't handle anything, Like I, I'm assuming she was pretty tanked. And this was when approximately? ! want to say around November maybe, Okay, this is last year, before? Yeah (affirmative). I stopped working at the bar downtown in January. On . January 7th actually. And then uh, (sighs), yeah (affirmative), so it had to be between uh, uh, September and the end of November because I took off in, I think most of iY\e month of December because of Christmas.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ... and because we were graduating from the Academy. So, it had to be between September and just.... Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-Q6920&GG So all you know is that she used cannabis, had a high tolerance, a high tolerance for drug, a high tolerance for.... Alcohol. ...for beer.... Yeah (affirmative). ...and uh... I don't know if it was just beer. I mean liquor and alcohol i'm saying. A high tolerance for alcohol? Uh-hum (affirmative), And uh, you know he may have tried some other things, but you're not quite sure what? Uh-hum (affirmative), what (unintelligible). Some type of pill, but you're not sure? No. I, I'm not going to go on record saying that, you know, because I don't know for sure, i'm not it !ooks like you have another conversation with her.,. Uh-hum (affirmative). JA: ...with her, with the babysitter and her mother and all that come up. Uh-hum (affirmative). I want to talk about that a little bit. Okay. It says here uh, it looks like, "1 talked to her twenty minutes ago." Uh-hum (affirmative), Is she talking about the babysitter here? Uh, I'm assuming so, yes. 28 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08~Q692G8/GG Uh, down here, "in the meantime", this is her talking to you. AR: JA: Okay. "In the meantime my boss is giving me shit because 1 took three years of Spanish in high school AR: JA: AR: JA: Uh~hum (affirmative). ...but! can't speak it to save my life." Uh, "I can translate just about anything." Uh-hurn (affirmative). Uhm, well was this uh, the boss, something about her boss, is she talking boss at work? AR: .1 think she, yeah (affirmative), ! think she's talking about, like f said, she said she was working for some party planning thing. JA: AR: YM: JA: AR: JA: Uh-hum (affirmative). And that might have been the boss. She always.... Go ahead. (Inaudible.) She always told me that she worked from home, so I.... 1 see. Okay, but to your, you, she, she had, uh, she told you she was employed, right? AR: JA: Yes. She told me she worked.... So you'd be surprised if you, if, if you found that she hadn't had a job in two years? AR: Yes. Well, what, they only way I found that out was through the news. You know, when I was.... JA: AR: Okay. ...watching like the, the thing and 1 was like (inaudible), 29 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-Q69208/GG But before the news came, before this all came on the news you.... I was under the assumption.... You thought she had a job? As a party planner, yes. We!! she led you to believe that? Yes. Okay, down here it says uh, it looks like you're talking about the baby sitter... some more. And she's uh, you're being uh, you, you say to her, "Be productive and come over here"? Uh-hum (affirmative). Okay, you're wanting her to come over, correct? Uh-hum (affirmative), yes. The baby, "if uh, my mom could actually sit up I'd already be there." She's talking about her mother there? Yes, yes. Uh, she can't baby sit. She can barely hold her head up right now." Uh-hum (affirmative). JA: AR: JA: AR; JA; Once again, still talking about her mother here? . Yes. Uh, this is you now. (Inaudible). "Not your mom's fault Call that other bitch." I was talking about the nanny. You were talking about the babysitter? Yes sir. Rusclano, Anthony/Case #08-06920S/GG Okay. So uh, uh, you certainly believed at that point that there was a babysitter,,. Yes, absolutely. ...or a nanny, correct? Okay. Alright, uh, "I just caiied her. She'sstuckin traffic." Uh-hum (affirmative). She's talk, again 1 think she's talking about the babysitter? Uh, I think she's talking about the nanny at the nanny at this point because.... Okay. ....she's talking about her mom up there. Uh~hum (affirmative). Okay. "I'm sad. I've been sad ai! day. Shit, I've been sad for days." Do you know what she was sad about? Absolutely, no, no 1 didn't. About, no, she, yeah (affirmative), she would always come across sometimes, uh, 1 don't know if you guys read ail these. She'd just well,... Yeah (affirmative), we read them all. I'm sure you do. Like when she'd say something it would be, like we'd be, do you know how somebody says something totally out of nowhere? She, we'll be talking about something and then she'll throw something like that and you know what the hell are you talking about? You know so, so some of that stuff 1 would just take and be like oh, okay, weil sorry. You know I don't know exactly what she was talking about there. Was there ever a conversation about who the child's father is? She ever talk to you about that? 31 Rusciaiio, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG Uhm, yes. She said it was some guy that uh, a friend of hers may, 1 think it was from high school maybe. Okay. That she met some, i don't know exactly where. Uhm, and that he died. But then Jess, from Jesse, he told me that she tried to tell him that he was the father because I guess she got with him, you know, when she was pregnant, or right after she got, I don't know exactly the timeline there. Uh-hum (affirmative). Because that's way before me. But I guess she tried to tell him that he was the father of the baby, or he, that's what he said, but he, he was just as out there as she is. So uh, all, the only thing I know about the real father that he died. That's all she told us. And you know that because? She told us. Okay. So this is not something that uh, you don't have any personal knowledge of other than what she told you? No. No.... And..., ...only from what she told me that, that she met him, maybe in high school. I'm not sure. And that he didn't have, play any role, and that right when Caylee turned one, or right after she was born, he died. That's all 1 know. Uh, it looks like just based on the chats that I have here and those.... Uh-hum (affirmative). 32 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #Q8-069208/GG ...(unintelligible) and probably giving me more but uh, it looks like she was (unintelligible), you know, she was kind of dragging you along, or stringing you along. Just, it's a, it's a, it looks like it's obvious from what, reading.... Uh~hum (affirmative). ...this. You know you, you thought there was something there. There might be something there. Yeah (affirmative). And she's like nonchalant, it goes back to the two times, you guys oniy had sex two times, right? Uh-hum (affirmative). Early January and then sometime.... January..., ...in mid-lvlay or early.... ...and sometime in May. ...May? Towards the, yeah (affirmative). How was she when, when she had sex? Was she one of those people that would be real clingy, or was it just as a matter of factly (sic), or was it just okay, we're done, i'm going to go home? Nonchalant. Like just, hey, okay, it's good, it's over, you know. Did you, uh, did she spend the night afterwards? No. Never spent the night. Always left five minutes after we were, it was over. Okay. I kind of, that's when you know you kind of feel like the girl. You're like damn man, I just got used. You know what I'm saying? I always felt hosed after, like 33 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #OB-069208/GG just sort of, that's, I definitely remember that. Because every time it was over I was like, she's putting her clothes on,, phew, right out the door. YM: AR: YM: AR: YM: AR: Who was the first one to initiate contact afterwards, you or her? Me. Oh, oh, and... (inaudible) and later on did she call you? You kind of go a couple of days... Uh.it.... ...and reach out on IM? ...and sometimes it was weeks. Like I said, between February and March I'm sure you guys saw it. I, ! don't think I talked to her very much. YM: AR: Ufvhum (affirmative). And then maybe it was her, maybe it was me, I, I'm not really sure. Every once in a while iike 1, I'd hit, like, like I said it'd be (unintelligible) and I'd be like, "Hey are you there?" And nothing back. And I'd be like, "Alright." YM: AR: Uh-hum (affirmative). You know and then maybe a week'd go by and I'd send her a text message or something, but. YM: AR: YM: AR: YM: AR: YM: AR: YM: Did she teli you of any sexual transmitted disease she has? No. Did you use protection? Once out of the twice. First or second? Uh, first. ' Okay. So nonchalant? Just done, over with, get out? Yeah (affirmative). I felt iike the girl. Okay. 34 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-Q6B208/GG She ever talk to you about any uh, about any other guys she was involved with? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Uhm, Jesse, wel! they were on and off. JA; AR: JA: Uh-hum (affirmative). This guy Mike or Matt up in Jacksonville. Okay. Whaf d she say about him? That she's known him for a long time. She said they were good friends and that they were date, they dated she said pretty heavily. I think it was between that in February and May. Of this year? Yeah (affirmative). Maybe. I think he's up in Jacksonville. He's from here, i know that. Mike or Matt. I'm not sure what his name is. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, and then this guy Tony. That's was towards the end of May. What'd she say about Tony? Not much. She said that uh, she didn't realty say. She said, "I have a boyfriend now. I really like him. His name's Tony." And that's, I, i've never met him. I don't even know what he looks like. But I'm, I'm pretty sure, yeah (affirmative), we didn't really, because once, around my birthday we stopped talking and I ne... I, then no contact with her after. I'm pretty sure about the, that week of my birthday. I, Cm pretty sure i didn't talk to her. And then like f said, I got that text message like the four...! think it might have been her mom that sent that out though. On what day now? it was either the 14th or the 15th of June. June or July? 35 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG It was definitely June, it was definitely June, it was one of those mass text messages. You know how you can tell it's like a, it's sent to everybody. June or July? Definitely June. Positive because I was ; I was, i know I worked 300's that night and I was sleeping. Your text messages come through on your,... Phone, yes. On your phone? Yes. But my question to you is uh, uhm, is there a way to, we need to recover that message if possible, Uh, Verizon. I have Verizon. And hold on a second. We may need to... How far to you keep the text messages on your phone? Oh, it deletes after a hundred and fifty. Has it been a hundred and fifty since it? ' Oh, yeah (affirmative). Since June 15*h... You text a lot? I use four thousand a month. So but it was definitely, definitely June 15th. YWI: Can you give us a, a time, a date and time.... Uhm.., ...or pretty close to that? I want to say it's around probably nine in the morning. On what day? The 15th. 36 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG YM; AR: You're, you, you're sure of that? I'm uh, ninety-five percent sure because 1 remember roiling over, and you know, Hke I said.... YM: AR; What did the text message say? It said, anybody, uh, uh, it's something along the lines of anybody uhs please help us, or please help me. Caylee's been missing for, oh, and you know what? it might have been July because it said thirty days, I'm sorry. JA: AR: JA: AR: Okay. it say JuL.yeah (affirmative), it was July. Alright. Because she said Caylee's been missing for thirty days. That's, now I remember. JA: AR: Okay. I'm sorry about that. And uh, please help us. If you have any information please call me. And that, at that point 1 was like you know, like is this some kind of sick joke? You know what! mean? And I sent, 1 think I sent one back and said, "What?" And then I never got anything back. And then after that it was like, and 1 think 1 might have called her that night. JA: AR: JA: AR: Called who? Ca... Casey to see what was going on. Uh»hum (affirmative). You know, because uh, after, it was probably later in the night when I was on shift because I was like is this some kind of sick.... JA: AR: Did you talk to her? No. 1 got, it went right to voice mail, like straight to voice mail. 37 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-Q69208/GG JA: AR: JA: YiVl: AR: YM: AR: YiVl: AR; YM: An YM: AR; YM: AR: YM: AR: Okay. Like the phone, you know when the phone is turned off? Right. Which number did you call her from? My, my phone number, H H f l f l ! is it 321? U h , ^ P It's with Verizon. is that the only, is that the only number you ever... Yeah (affirmative). ...called her from? You ever call her.... That's the only number i have. You don't have a house number? No. Okay, I only have a ceil phone. It's through Verizon. Okay. Uhm, I can get those. Uh, I'm sure you guys can too, but I can get, I can pull it up right now if you need to see it. I'm pretty sure on-line. JA: AR: JA: YM: AR: YiVl: AR: And, and we'll, well hold off on that for the time being. Okay. Uhm... Do you have uh, any IM's or chat, or uh, chats saved on your computer? Uh, no. Because uh, this, what this does is it brings up most ail of it. Uh-hum (affirmative). 38 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #Q8-069208/GG But in order for us to make sure that there's not something there that kind of cuts off that you might have the continuation..., I can bring it in if you guys need my computer, i don't, I don't save that stuff, no. Because as soon, actually as soon as they're done, like the window pops up I just exit out So I never save them. Okay. But if you guys want to take a look at my computer I'm more than welcome to bring it in. Uhm, we'll see if we'll need to do, was any of this on the agency computer? Any 10 11 12 13 14 chats? No, no. God no. Yeah (affirmative), but when you're, but when you're working, you know, some people..,. No, I.... I know some people who, who (inaudible) and they have IM's coming on. I don't have a IM on my work computer. Okay. Any e-mails sent from your work computer..,. No. ...to her? Okay. Everything's on my e-mail. I don't know if, ! don't think I sent her any e-mails, but if you need my e-mail address I can give you that too. We got it. Okay. Uhrn.... ; 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The one at G-Maii? Okay. 39 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-0B9208/GG A; R: A: R: &: R: ^: R: JA: R: \; R: Now at first the, the, the uh, I first learned about your involvement with her..., Uh-hum (affirmative). That, well that first time I called you. Uh-hum (affirmative). Uhm, from somebody in HR (Human Resources). I know. Well you had a conversation with somebody down there. Tell us about that. Kristen Driggers. Alright, what, Kristen? Driggers. Kr... Kristen Driggers. You had a conversation with her about this case, correct? She, uhm, not uh, I didn't say anything about but more than I knew her like I told you the first time. I didn't say anything more to her than that. And the fact that.... \: ^: JA: ^: \: *: . Soyoutoid her basically you had just met her once at a.... Yes. ...party kind of thing? Yes. Alright. And the only, then she, she already had an idea because of the fact that she was like..., i: 3: V: Well she had an idea of what? What do you mean she had an idea? That we, that we, like the group of guys knew her. Uh-hum (affirmative), Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-0692G8/GG Because of the fact she was at the Academy a lot when we were there and she knew that, I think she, I don't know if she saw her or not. But she knew that Gr...l guess Grund was with her. JA: AR: Okay. I, I don't know how. And then that, that's, she, uh, she actually initiated it with me. She said, "don't you know this girl?" So and then that's all, that's ail we.... JA: When she said to you, where were you guys at when she asks, "Don't you know this girl?" AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: 1 think it was pa... passing through here, in, in passing. You weren't at her poof? Kristen's? Yes. Were you, were you out... I've never gone at, to her anywhere. Were you with, were you uh, you, you weren't with her at a, at a, at, at, at, you... Oh, it... ....(inaudible). ...might have been my pool. Not at her pool. Okay, I'm sorry. Your pooi. Yeah (affirmative). You guys.... No, no, no, I've never gone, yeah (affirmative), she came out to (inaudible). She was over your, your, your place? Just yeah (affirmative), we were hanging out by the pooi. Okay, so you and her were at your pooi? Yeah (affirmative). 41 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #Q8-069208/GG Okay? Yeah (affirmative). And tell, tell us about the incident where you, where the two of you were by your pool. Uhm, we were hanging out, you know, just uh, tanning, whatever, hanging out by the pool, and I think she, well I'm, like I said, I don't really know exactly how it came up, but she said, you know, "Are you following this case?" Da-da-da. "Don't you know the girl?" Or something, something along those lines. And I said, "Yeah (affirmative), you know, and I, you know brought it up. And it wasn't more than a two or three minute conversation. i know she quizzed you about it, right? Yeah (affirmative). Okay, she's.... Like you, yeah (affirmative), she said something about Grund and then I said, "Yeah (affirmative), he went out with her." And she's like, "Didn't you know her through this?" And, "Didn't you see her at the Academy?" She asked like four or five questions and I was like, "You know that's, -that's enough." Right. You know. Wei!! mean she, I mean well 1 had a conversation with her, Uh-hum (affirmative). I know the dea! between the two of you.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ... okay? Uh, was she jeai.,. I mean did she think that, that, ! mean did she quiz you to, was she pressuring you to.... Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-Q69208/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 AR: JA: JA: Oh, you mean the, the jeai... like the jealousy factor kind of thing, like what was.... Yes. ...going on between? Uh, not real.... Did she believe uh, uh, you said she questioned you. Did, did she question you about Casey? Did she.,.. Like.... ... believe that, did she believe you when you told her that you had just met her once at a party? (think..,. Or did she question you further? I think so. Uhm, i couldn't really tell. But she, i mean she questioned me further, but not like, like intimate stuff, you know. She didn't ask you if y'all had sex? Huh~huh (negative). But she que... did she question you further as, as to did, don't, don't you know her better? i mean was there anymore, I mean.... She, yeah (affirmative), she.... ...when you, when you said to her, when you said to her hey, i just, I just meet her once... Yeah (affirmative). ...at a party, did she let it go, or did she ask you.... She.... ...more questions? Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JA; ...she did like the, you know, like the, the girl oh, are you sure about that? You know what I mean, stuff like that like girls do, And then.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...I just kind of brushed her off after that. I see. it was kind of like yeah (affirmative), whatever. It's none of your business, you know. Did she ever bring that up? Uh, did she ever bring it up again after that? Only, i think she said, when she brought it up to you guys. I think that's the last time she told me about it, she talked to me about it. She called you as soon as she talked to me, didn't she? Or sent me a text. One of the two, I'm not sure. I think it was a call. Right I think it, I'm pretty sure it was a call. Did she ever discuss this with you any other time at your house, or her house, or? Nothing more than like a two, like you know, like,! mean like it would be on the news or something and she'd say something about it. And when did that take place? Oh, man, uh.... How many times that take place? Maybe twice. Your house or her house? Uh, I've never gone to her house. Okay, it's always been at your house? Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-OS92O8/GG Yes, always, Okay. I've never, yeah (affirmative), I've never, ever gone to her house. So two other occasions that you, you beiieve two other occasions.... i believe so. ... she was at your house and.... I believe so. ....it came on the news and she.... Yeah (affirmative).., ... she asked you (inaudible). ,.. like we were sitting you know, watching TV or whatever, and it came on. Okay, at your house? Uh-hum (affirmative), Not hers? Yes. Okay. Yes. JA: Alright. Uhm, do you know why she said something to somebody here about it? Huh-huh (negative). Did she tel! you why she brought it up to her supervisor? No. I didn't ask her why. JA: Okay, I mean I can understand why, but I didn't, uh, that, that's whatever, she did what she did, so that's fine. Alright 45 Rusclano, Anthony/Case #Q8-069208/GG It's, you know, the, it's water under the bridge now. It's over. ' Sure. (inaudible). 4 5 8 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JA: AR: JA: Are you still, are you still involved with her? No. When, when did you guys quit seeing each other? Uhm, S think the last time I saw, like oh, like seeing each other like that? Yeah (affirmative), like-dating, seeing each other. ! want to say like.... Like intimate seeing each other. Around FTO. When FTO started. Okay, when that, and that would have been when? Uhm, May 6 th I think ! started on FTO. Okay. So.... Right after, well it was, we were pretty much on the, on the fritz after I got out of the Academy. Okay. At that point I was like, "Listen," because she-was real clingy and.... Uh-hurn (affirmative). ...really. And I found out a lot of things that I've heard about her. So that was towards F.T.E.P., which was March. And then we started talking less and less once I got out of here because I'd see her almost every day when I was here because of class. Okay. And I want to say May, And then we talked periodically every once in a while. 46 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG Alright. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 But she still came over your house after, after May? Yes. Yes, YM: AR: Because obviously this story is coming out.... Yes. So you remained friends? Okay. Well there, you guys weren't intimate at that point? No. Once after that, but that was in the end of July. JA: AR: JA: Okay. Alright. Before or after she questioned you about this thing with Casey? After. After? Okay. Alright. And you have uh, uh, you have, you don't have any other information that you think will be helpful to us? No. You have not held anything else back from us, okay? No, that's, that's absolutely everything. Alright. And uhm, you know I know we started off,! know we started off with you kind of misleading us.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...and not being truthful. You are being truthful now? That's, that's everything I know. Okay. That's the best I can do. I mean uhm, like I said, uh, I, I'm sorry I don't know exact dates for stuff like that, i know... 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #Q8-069208/GG JA: That's alright. It isn't, it isn't you not remembering dates that bothers us. What bothers us, okay... AR: JA; AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA:. AR; JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: Uh-hum (affirmative). ...is that you have a phone conversation with me in which you tell me basically.,.. I, no, 1 definitely understand. ...thatyou, that, that... (Inaudible). ...that you met her, that you know, that you had a, you know.... Oh, yeah (affirmative). ...you, you (unintelligible) a brief encounter uh, with her at a party. Uh-hum (affirmative). Leaving me with the impression that that's it, okay? Uh~hum (affirmative). Then you come here and you start off telling us uh, you know, we... Welluh.... ...weaskyou uh.... Uh-hum (affirmative). ...you know, once again we ask you, you know, uh, you know.... Well... ...you're here now. You're talking to us. Uh-hum (affirmative). So clearly you should understand that we're, we're, we're looking for'something and,... AR: JA: Uh~hum (affirmative). ...and then you know, you, you know you're untruthful with us,... 48 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-069208/GG : JA; Yeah (affirmative). ...here. Okay, and I understand you're afraid and i understand you're not trying to mislead us, AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: YR/I: Uh-hum (affirmative). But you understand the importance of.... 1,1, (inaudible). ...of telling us the truth, right? As soon as that turned on everything that I know I told you. Okay. To the, to the best of my ability I told you. Okay. And like 1 said, if there's anything else I will cooperate fully if you guys need me. Does she have any other cell phones or any other numbers you could call her at aside from her cell phone? No, I don't. I only have that one number. If that, I don't remember what it was. Did she have one? Did she have any other celt phones? That I had the numbers? JA Yes. ' No. That's the only, I only have one number ever for her. Okay. (Inaudible). She still, she still plugged into your phone? No. Come on man, (Laughs.) I know it was a, I think it was a 321 number. 49 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #G8-069208/GG Anyone else from your Academy class uh, we!! let me rephrase it this way. How many people from your Academy class hooked up with her either before or after you did? I, I don't know of any. Just Jesse. Just Jesse? Just Jesse that, that I know of. Like I said..., Weil how many, how many wouid you suspect then? I mean let me phrase it that way. Wei! man, it could be uhm.... Come on you're, you're a guy. Really.... Guys compare notes. Uh, Jesse I know for a hundred percent.... Okay. ....sure... Who else? ...that she stayed over there a couple times i know, but that's it. You never met Tony? No. This new guy? No, IVe never met him. ! don't even know what he looks like. Okay, And I haven't met Mike either. The Jacksonville guy. Alright. I don't know if you guys ever heard of him, but! know.... Mike or Matt.... 50 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #08-0692G8/GG AR: YM: AR: YM: AR: YM: JA: AR: JA: AR: Matt. ...from Jacksonville? Yeah (affirmative), I definitely know he exists because she talked about him a lot. She taiked about her job a iot too. She did. Urn just... Taiked about Zani a iot. Did she? Yeah (affirmative). UhJ it was, it was definitely she toid me party planning, you know if that tells you guys anything. JA: YM: AR: JA: YM: AR: JA: AR: JA: AR: JA: YW1: Alright. Okay. She said she worked from home all the time. Did you ever see.... All the time? Yes. Did you ever see a check stub? No. No. Were you ever with her when she got.... She never had money either, Alright. (Laughs.) JA: You ever with her when she, were you ever with her when she passed checks or used.... 51 Rusciano, Anthony/Case #Q8-0S9208/GG No, huh-huh (negative). How'd she, how would she pay for stuff? When we went out I always fucking paid. Excuse me. Okay. 1 got nothing else. Alright. And you swear and affirm everything you told us is the truth? Yes sir. Correct? Alright. AR: That's everything ! got. This transcript has been reviewed for accuracy.