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DATE: 07/29/2009
TIME: 4:34 PM
TAPE: TRANS 30A
UCE1: UNDERCOVER EMPLOYEE #4192
WELLS: HAROLD WELLS
WAITRESS: UNIDENTIFIED WAITRESS
(U): UNINTELLIGIBLE
(SC): SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATION
(Keys rattling loudly)
(People talking in background)
(Cell phone rings)
UCE1: Yeah. Gonna meet you. I'm sitting inside the booth. Yeah. I'm in a
booth inside. Yeah. To eat, I, I ordered a, a sandwich man. Ah! All
right.
(People talking in background)
(Dishes clanking)
HAROLD WELLS: How's it going, man?
UCE1: All right. How are you doing?
WELLS: I'm good.
UCE1: Looks like those HORNS are gonna to take care of them SOONER'S man.
WELLS: Oh yeah? Uh, I hope not. I hope the SOONERS uh, put them in their
place. Talking about the Big Twelve championships? That's the
SOONERS, isn't it?
UCE1: Yeah, yeah.
WELLS: You all couldn't put TEXAS TECH away. There's something wrong.
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UCE1: Yeah, yeah, they seemed to get our number.
WELLS: (Laughs) I'm just glad BRADFORD and uh, MCCOY are staying around
another year. Seems to me this could be the best game of the year, right
there.
UCE1: All Big Twelve, right?
WELLS: Yeah, yeah.
UCE1: So what you know man?
WELLS: Trying to stay out of trouble.
UCE1: Well, that should be easy for you.
WELLS: Oh, seems like it keeps uh, following me around. Try to—figured I’d do
something —see I worked in narcotics for seventeen years and, uh---I was
running with a guy we'd, uh, we'd stopped. And he just knew, knew,
knew, good stuff, you know, so I was running warrants around town. And
then uh, Narcotics guys got embarrassed and got pissed off. Made a
bunch of (background voice drowning out conversation). You know? A,
a think about three weeks time we got like twelve nice buys. A hundred
and forty-four pounds of marijuana and about a hundred ten in cash.
UCE1: Oh, here in Tulsa?
WELLS: Yeah, they got all pissed off at me. So. I try to stay low. We had, uh, we
did that deal. I turned in that money. They asked me a hundred questions.
I go, “Hey man, I don't even know who this guy is, for real.”
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: They says, “Will you tell me who he was?” I put no date of birth, no
address in the report. Just your name. Just the name you—from the motel
registration.
UCE1: Huh! That's way even better.
WELLS: No one knows your money except for you except for you, the DA, the, uh,
prosecutor. So I said---usually people want to come to court to explain
why they have that money.
WAITRESS: How are ya?
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WELLS: Doing good.
WAITRESS: Want something?
WELLS: Just water for me.
WAITRESS: Just water, okay.
WELLS: So anyway. So then the narcotics guys go, “If you need any help, you
know you can call us.” So---but, I know how they do, man. If I tell you
I’m going to do something, I'm gonna do something. I'm not gonna sit.
My word's more important to me than any bad guy getting locked up.
So—
UCE1: That's all we got, man.
WELLS: Yeah, the most important tool you got is your name. And, so, uh, and
my—
WAITRESS: There you go. And I think your wrap's almost up.
UCE1: Thank you.
WELLS: My, uh, reputation is, is---People have come to me and said, “Man, how
do you get so much information from your informants?” I said, “Cause I
trust them more than I trust you.”
UCE1: That can't set right with them, can it?
WELLS: I just told them---I said, “If I was to get killed in the line of duty today, I'd
have six informants to carry my casket. I trust them. I count on them. I
know I can't count on you guys.”
UCE1: Well, are they, are they just shit heads, or what...what's up with that?
WELLS: Well, you know you call ‘em---I gotta deal going on, said this guy's in
town doing this. Well, “I’m working a part-time job tonight.” Or, you
know, “I'm at home fixing steak with my family” or something. Well, I'll
just do it myself.
UCE1: All right.
WELLS: I mean it’s---the loyalty that used to be amongst officers isn't what it used
to be.
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UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: How, how, how's my business going?
UCE1: It's going all right, man. I’m getting them back—back in the game up
here.
WELLS: You got that uh, meal, meal ticket yet?
UCE1: A meal ticket?
WELLS: It's like—I had a CI tell me it’s called a million dollars.
UCE1: (Laughs)
WELLS: Said, “If I get a meal ticket, I'm through.” Yeah---
UCE1: That's a long way off!
WELLS: Not the way your plan is.
UCE1: Nah! Come on now. Everybody says (U)
WELLS: Well, I was telling a friend--- I said , “Man, I've I've been in the game long
enough to believe that---”
WAITRESS: Here you go, sir. Anything else I can get ya?
UCE1: No.
WAITRESS: All right. Enjoy.
WELLS: Said pe---, people over there in the game say they've earned their money.
UCE1: It's not as easy as everybody thinks it is.
WELLS: Everybody's pissed off. Everybody wants a special deal. Everybody
wants a discount. Everybody wants to rip somebody off. Want to sell
some bogus stuff. Want, they want credit.
UCE1: Yeah. People always want it all the time, man.
WELLS: The phone. The pager goes off non-stop. So. I just thought I was gonna
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get to know why I was sitting down there. Taking full advantage at the
Waffle House out here. Sitting there uh, just talking. Yeah. Yeah. All
right, we’re just talking. All right, bye. Have to check in with him. I told
BRUCE that uh.
UCE1: Um, guys rolling around like that. Man, they're just asking for trouble.
WELLS: Same police. One of them said, why did you stop me man? And anyway,
came rolling back here and uh, an Explorer pulls up. Doesn't park in the
parking place. Pulls alongside the curb. Goes to the motel room. That's a
dope deal.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: That's the way I think.
UCE1: Well you see a lot that a lot of people don't see, though, you know.
Everything is taken for granted. So how long are you gonna stay in?
WELLS: Well, I'm gonna retire in probably about two years. Trying to build a
house in Costa Rica and...gonna take two years to get it built, so. I got
that else to go.
UCE1: You gonna build a house in Costa Rica?
WELLS: They get a lot of rain down there. It's just, I mean I'm getting out of here. This country's c
UCE1: Yeah but, how much it cost to live down there?
WELLS: Oh, it depends on how you live. You live, you can live on a thousand
dollars a month down there. This guy here again.
UCE1: Gonna bust him? (U).
WELLS: I bought some land down there by the ocean.
UCE1: Maybe I'll go down there.
WELLS: Uh, if I had your money, I, I'd already be down there.
UCE1: Awesome. (U).
WELLS: (Laughs)
UCE1: How?
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WELLS: You like surfing and uh, which I don't. Surfer's paradise, man.
UCE1: Good looking women?
WELLS: Oh, that's...why a friend of mine lives down there now. Been there for
eighteen years. Said there's seven women for each man, each man. He
said I came down here when I was twenty years old. I couldn't believe the
good-looking women. And they're very aggressive. I go hey, well I'm
married, so. That's not my angle. But he said man, so, because there's
seven women for every man, the competition between women is pretty
fierce. So uh, lot of them. They, they have a term down there for uh, men
that came down there as preachers in the ministry on a mission trip and
they just stay.
UCE1: Hum. What’s that?
WELLS: It was just like a uh, cemetery for pastors.
UCE1: Uh huh.
WELLS: Spanish word for cemetery for pastors.
UCE1: Oh, wow, I need to go to Costa Rica.
WELLS: (Laughs)
UCE1: You got to speak some Spanish, then?
WELLS: I speak very little.
UCE1: You don't have to down there?
WELLS: Uh.
UCE1: They speak a different, man. They speak...
WELLS: Yeah a little bit different.
UCE1: They like use, like vos and stuff, that's like, that's, that's just different. It's
like.
WELLS: Yeah.
UCE1: Semi-formal or something. We don't ever use that.
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WELLS: Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a formal language down there. More
Castillian Spanish.
UCE1: I don't know.
WELLS: Yeah, they, they say be careful what you say down there cause some
words, I mean, and see the car right here that just pulled up there. Pulls up
there while I'm there.
UCE1: Yeah, they're scoring a hit.
WELLS: That's why, that's why I called you. I thought maybe you, you, you had
business coming over. So man now, tell me the truth. You don't want to
tell me say, I don't want you.
UCE1: I'll tell you.
WELLS: Yeah, where was the dope at in your room?
UCE1: Um, it wasn't in my room. I'm telling you the truth. I don't keep it in my
room.
WELLS: Was it, was it next door?
UCE1: I keep it close by. So.
WELLS: Was it in the car? Or next, next door.
UCE1: Not next door. But I got, look and I remember you saying this time.
WELLS: You, you, you gave it to your girl or something like that.
UCE1: I got, I got a guy.
WELLS: Where's he stay?
UCE1: Just a guy. Give him a couple of hundred bucks.
WELLS: To deliver your stuff?
UCE1: Yeah, he takes it. So I don't have it. I don't sit on it.
WELLS: So where's it sitting at now? I won't do anything with it, just (U).
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UCE1: And he'll bring it when I call. And drop it off. So it's the same way (U).
WELLS: So, so your, your players here will come meet you and bring you the
money, you call the guy. Give it a second... where does he um, have you
meet him at?
UCE1: He, he will come out up there too. Just so, so it's quick. So they don't
have to go somewhere else. If they have to roll they're gonna think I'm
jacking with them, so they'll wait.
WELLS: Always do this. Money in this hand...dope in this hand. If you've been
dealing with the same people for a while, they get a little trust, but uh, you
know. So, so your guys, are they waiting for it now?
UCE1: I, I called him already. Told him I was in town. I told him I'd call him.
When, when I was ready for him to go through.
WELLS: So he should go up, up to your room. And then your guys will roll around
and come up to you. And give the guy a pound. Or two?
UCE1: One. This guy only came up with one. He said he, cause I was dry for so
long, they started going their own way, so that's why they came up, came
up for, down for a pound...so -
WELLS: So, how do you take this guy off? Hey, we need to take him off away
from your guy. That got you in.
UCE1: Right.
WELLS: Okay, you still have business to do in town. So we want, don't want to
mess with that. But um, we don't want to know how, that that’s your
livelihood. The guy comes out of your room with a pound. Where is he
going to put it at? Down his pants?
UCE1: No, that's up to him. But he, he usually does. He's dressed. I mean, I
don’t know how is he dressed this time? He’s usually dressed kind of like
I do. There’s a lot of rooms in pants.
WELLS: So is he gonna be a black guy?
UCE1: He's a black guy. (U).
WELLS: Is he likely to be armed?
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UCE1: He never has been. He never has been. And I don't, I don't think he's a
baller. I think he's just a, he's, he's a roller. I don't think he bangs.
WELLS: That’s smart. Like the ten rules of drug dealing. Don't, don't use your
own stuff. Don't keep it near you. You don't put it where you lay your
head and all that stuff.
UCE1: No, you don't.
WELLS: That's smart though. That's true.
UCE1: Well, but uh, I mean he's, he's an all right guy.
WELLS: What kind of car does usually drive?
UCE1: He's gonna be, I don't, I don't know cause he's, he's coming in to town.
He's coming into town to get it. And he usually rents a car.
WELLS: Do you know where he lives man?
UCE1: Somewhere in Kansas.
WELLS: Kansas?
UCE1: But he comes here, cause it's cheap.
WELLS: Does he know about where your at now?
UCE1: Just that I'm at this, this hotel.
WELLS: Because he could leave here and head back north immediately. And he'll
be outside the city limits immediately.
UCE1: Now see, that's the thing. He’s...
WELLS: Not if OHP's following him.
UCE1: Well he's, he's staying in town with his girl. He's staying with his girl.
She lives here.
WELLS: Do you know where that's at?
UCE1: I don't know. I know it's like north side of town. That's all I've heard him
say. Like the only time I ever talked to him like by 240 or something.
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WELLS: Okay.
UCE1: So (U).
WELLS: Uh.
UCE1: He's, he says...We’ve met different places and it's always, he says he has
to go back into town. Not close to here, but not too far. Yeah, he acts like
he has to back into town.
WELLS: So but, he doesn’t know any, any of your other players? Okay uh, I think
part of the deal we made was you keep your expense money, we turn in
the profit.
UCE1: Profit?
WELLS: How much do you need to make?
UCE1: Are you talking for this guy or for all of them?
WELLS: Just this guy only. I don't want to hurt you but I want to turn something in
and make the District Attorney happy.
UCE1: Yeah. My expenses on this time was uh, ten grand. So...
WELLS: How much you gonna to uh, sell it for? Ten grand for the whole thing?
UCE1: For both.
WELLS: For one pound you gonna come up here for one pound?
UCE1: It was a light load.
WELLS: That means you got to break it in half?
UCE1: Yeah, I've already.
WELLS: How broke is it?
UCE1: No, no, no. Not this time.
WELLS: I want it to be clean.
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UCE1: Not, not for this guy. (U). But for my other guy, it's clean. So he's got
some good stuff.
WELLS: All right.
UCE1: But, and I've got, I don't know, man.
WELLS: How's your stuff packaged? Tape all around it, shrink wrap?
UCE1: Yeah. Nah, it's got, not shrink wrap.
WELLS: It's uh Seal-A-Meal?
UCE1: Sela-, good stuff. That plastic wrap that's got several layers. Plastic wrap
around it. Grease, red grease. And then more plastic wrap. And then the
last is green plastic.
WELLS: So, if we try, try to stop him, he may try to pitch it.
UCE1: No. You'll find that. You'll find that.
WELLS: So when he comes out, does he put it somewhere in his car or in his trunk
or someplace?
UCE1: Put it right under his, cause he, he's gonna jet. He's not gonna stick
around, fart around. He's gonna stick it and go. He's probably stick it
under his seat.
WELLS: Yeah. Um, I need to get somewhere where I can, don't ever uh, assume
that I see anything.
UCE1: All right.
WELLS: As soon as he leaves, you give me a call. Tell me what he was driving,
what he was wearing. You got my number?
UCE1: I saved it again. I'm sorry that...
WELLS: That's all right.
UCE1: I was farting around...
WELLS: (U) here. You go down the lot. Get on Two Forty-four and you'll (U).
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UCE1: Uh, I don't even know if he'll get on the highway cause when he's
traveling hot. Cause he's gonna go straight to his girl's house. And then
he'll re-think whatever he's gonna do. Highway is the worst place for him.
WELLS: Yeah, he'll be slinging it up in Kansas when he gets home.
UCE1: Probably. I don't think he, I don't he think deals with here.
WELLS: What's his name, do you know his name?
UCE1: He goes by TERRELL.
WELLS: Yeah.
UCE1: He's a little bit tall, a little bit taller than me.
WELLS: Now, is your guy with the product. How long will he stay in the room
with you?
UCE1: With me?
WELLS: Yeah.
UCE1: Uh, man like two seconds.
WELLS: Did he see us run in on you?
UCE1: Uh. He, he didn't see, he didn't see you run in on me. (SC) He saw, he
saw but hey, he wasn't uh, he, he's not gonna run, run up on...
WELLS: But you think he saw us that day?
UCE1: Yeah, he did. He, he saw that but uh, all he knows is y'all didn't catch me
with shit. So, that's why y'all cut me loose.
WELLS: And there's nothing in the room?
UCE1: There's nothing in the room.
WELLS: Now, now, hey let me ask you this. Just between me and you.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: We turned in thirteen thousand, twelve thousand dollars. Is that the only
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thing that was there?
UCE1: In the room?
WELLS: Yeah. No, no officers hit you up for anything?
UCE1: I, I...
WELLS: That's about what, what we, that's about what we thought you had.
Twelve something, thirteen something.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: That's good.
UCE1: Were you worried about that?
WELLS: Just wanted to make sure.
UCE1: Huh.
WELLS: You know, I mean I'll, I know that stuff happens. They never let me see it
cause they know I don't approve of it. But I always try to check on it (U)
and usually when I catch them they say hey, I got, you know, does it ever
get converted to personal use. You're paying an informant off, that's one
thing. Easing expenses, going to work, that's something else. You don't
go buy you a bass boat or anything stupid.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: I know that stuff happens. I don't approve of it. So I try to make sure it's.
UCE1: Man, that's all dope (SC).
WELLS: It's uh, in other places...(SC)
UCE1: I don't know how you (U).
WELLS: A lot of guys that we pop, expect us to do that.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: And if we don't do it, then it was false. It's part of the, it's part of the deal.
UCE1: Yeah.
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WELLS: And someone started a rumor that this whole deal with you and J.J. and I,
is that we were setting you up to rob you. And it's pissed me off.
UCE1: What do you mean, like in your, your department or...
WELLS: Yeah, remember that big fat sergeant?
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: (U).
UCE1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
WELLS: He told those guys. He said, hey I think H.R. is setting that guy up to rob
him. So I called him in there and said (U). It's a good idea but it isn’t in
the game plan.
UCE1: Is that what that guy does? I mean, is that...
WELLS: I mean, he just makes stuff up, you know. He just, he doesn't, he doesn't
even know I'm out here. He's, he's crazy.
UCE1: I guess.
WELLS: That guy right there. He got (U). Look out the window here. No. Over
here. This window. Oh, never mind. You got a white, bright white
Cadillac. He's riding all, got a white rag on his head, got a white chick
next to him.
UCE1: Where'd he go?
WELLS: He went back this way. Is he your guy?
UCE1: Shit, no!
WELLS: (Laughs)
UCE1: No, he ain't. The guy, that guy he rolls, he rolls gold. It's uh, you know,
(U) street guy. And uh, no, this place got a lot of shit going on, right
around here.
WELLS: Yeah. I called the uh, Narcotics office. Our Narcotics guys. Just asked
them if anything was going on at that. I didn't want to run into one of
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them, you know. They said no. So.
UCE1: Man, that's all you guys. I’m not....
WELLS: So they don't have anything that you want, involved in anything close, so
lay low.
UCE1: So uh, how do you want me, just to go forward and then give you a call
and...
WELLS: What time you think it's gonna happen?
UCE1: Like I said, I told him I'd probably call him when it's ready.
WELLS: (U) I think we prefer doing it after dark. Is that fine with him?
UCE1: Yeah. I, just I mean, it's up to me, not up to him, so.
WELLS: Yeah, I know some players don't play after dark just because the
probability of getting stopped is higher.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: You have to understand, most of these, they are in the business like you
are, a professional. They understand manpower, shifts.
UCE1: Yeah, but after dark is a long (U). Seven or whatever, mine is nine or ten
o'clock. Twelve o'clock, that is...
WELLS: Yeah, that's risky. After midnight it's risky.
UCE1: Yes.
WELLS: Just the selection of cars is (U). Best time to do it is during rush hour.
UCE1: Well, especially this guy. Black guy driving black, get you stopped quick,
so.
WELLS: Now, now, now, now. You'd be surprised. We don't care.
UCE1: You should have got something to eat then.
WELLS: Ah, my guys are gonna go eat now so I was just kinda waiting on them.
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UCE1: All right.
WELLS: Well, so did uh, seven o'clock will be all right. Seven thirty will be, it's
just about five now. Hey look, let's say he rolls out of here and we lose
him, you know, uh, we'll try it again next time.
UCE1: All right.
WELLS: So there's nothing really at risk here if we, if we lose him then we're no, no
worse off than we were.
UCE1: I hear ya.
WELLS: We'll try to pick him up when he leaves here with a plain, plain unmarked
car. Like I said, don't assume that I'll see anything. Let me know soon as
he, as soon as your guy leaves the room, you get on the phone and say
okay. This is what he's wearing, this is what he's driving. This is the way
he left. We'll try to get on him out of the parking lot in a plain car. And
then try to follow him here for a minute and see which way he's going.
But really, has he ever mentioned a town called Broken Arrow?
UCE1: Uh.
WELLS: He, he just has people in Tulsa basically.
UCE1: Yeah. He's always stayed in Tulsa.
WELLS: I can't believe he won't get on Two Forty-Four. Get on the expressway.
You don't think he'll get on the expressway?
UCE1: Uh, I don't know. Not, not when he's getting...I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t.
WELLS: Okay, here's, here's not what's gonna happen. We're not gonna ask him to
give, who his source is.
UCE1: Okay.
WELLS: Normally when we pop somebody we ask them hey, who you getting your
stuff from. They'll be real vanilla, stop him, find his dope, lock him up, go
on his way. Now he doesn't know any of your other players, does he? He
doesn't know any other players in town? That, that you work with?
UCE1: Not, not of mine. Least I don’t think so.
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WELLS: Cause uh, he's going to figure it out pretty quick. We’re not gonna tell
him, it’s not going to be in the report. If he's gonna wonder why he got
picked out. He's gonna add it up.
UCE1: And I, I, you're right. I don't know. It's also, it's also what haunts me, I
don't know.
WELLS: Well he doesn't, doesn't know, know your people.
UCE1: No, he doesn't. You're right.
WELLS: And he, you know, I give his cur-, uh, his girl a call and say, hey JOKER
may have fucking narced on this. He's gonna say okay, so what's his (U).
UCE1: Uh, huh. You're right.
WELLS: You say you go, go by JOKER.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: And these guys, got a call you they call you JOKER?
UCE1: Most of them.
WELLS: I'd like to ask you where, where you got that name at?
UCE1: I don't think you did. I know you don't pick your name, right?
WELLS: So how long you had that name?
UCE1: I was sixteen. Sixteen I was always messing around. Usually that means
getting in trouble, getting my ass kicked sometimes.
WELLS: Yeah.
UCE1: What do they call you?
WELLS: H. H. My football coach called me sleepy.
UCE1: (Laughs)
WELLS: Cause it looked like I just woke up. Hope I didn't play that way.
UCE1: So you played football, H.R.? What'd you play in football?
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WELLS: Played linebacker. Flanker back and (U). Like an extra blocker, receiver.
Called wideout, not like the wideouts they use. Changed terms over the
years. Slot back. Flanker back. We ran the uh, the not the west coast
then it was called, oh, back when I was playing they had like a T
formation.
UCE1: Uhm.
WELLS: That was the, the old school. Took like fullback out of the plan. And uh,
put it on wider passing guy out in the corner, so if it went wide, then you
could uh, if you were needing to split out wider, the flanker back lines
(U). More, more often than not. (U) You block. Hardback block was
legal back then.
UCE1: What the hell is that?
WELLS: (U) you line about up like this and the guy comes in and tries to go for the
quarterback. Come around this way and blindside somebody, crack him.
UCE1: Hmm.
WELLS: And then you get one of the other linemen to uh, hit the guy down low.
And hit him high.
UCE1: Man, you don't look big enough to be a football player.
WELLS: Players have gotten bigger over the years.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: How, how old, old are you?
UCE1: Thirty.
WELLS: Thirty. See I'm fifty-eight. We had the biggest line in the state to lead the
(U). When I was in high school. I lined average two hundred and twelve.
Two hundred and twelve wouldn't even make the team nowadays.
UCE1: (U).
WELLS: Yeah.
(Music and people talking loudly in the background)
WELLS: Anyway, it don't make too much sense now. Seventh, eighth, ninth grade,
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I played both ways. I was an All-Star in the Junior Athletics Association.
Went to high school. Didn't grow any. Same (U). So I didn't grow any.
Everybody else grew. Went to high school. Played on the Varsity Squad.
One of two sophomores came to (U). I was one of the two. All I did was
kick-offs. I was a Junior, they told me I'd be sitting on the bench and I go,
no, I don't want to be on the bench. I couldn't do that. So.
UCE1: And that was the end of it, huh?
WELLS: I quit. So.
UCE1: Anyway, you want me to uh, holler at this guy?
WELLS: Why don't you let me uh, I'll give you a shout back about seven thirty or
so. What time is too late, nine o'clock too late?
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: If you call him and tell him uh, you think between now and then, he's just
waiting for you to call him.
UCE1: He's waiting. He's at his girl's place.
WELLS: How much did you bring up here this time?
UCE1: Huh?
WELLS: How much did you bring up here this time? Twenty? Ah, two? Two!
UCE1: I told you it was light.
WELLS: Telling me the truth?
UCE1: I left it alone. I haven't...
WELLS: How much, how much did you bring up here last time? That's where
you...
UCE1: Oh, yeah. That was another two. Telling him I'm playing hard. Cause it's
hard to get these guys going again. And I don't have the money.
WELLS: So, how much is this guy gonna pay for this pound?
UCE1: The same.
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WELLS: Same. Thirty?
UCE1: Thirteen.
WELLS: Thirteen. So I turn in three thousand?
UCE1: It's up to you man.
WELLS: Why don't you just keep that. Don't even worry about it. I don't care
about three thousand.
UCE1: Got the other, the other, from the other.
WELLS: Yeah. Yeah. You're not fighting that? You're not? Did they send, send
you any letters or anything?
UCE1: Letters? Like a kite, what are you talking about?
WELLS: They send you letters saying the court date for your money is such and
such.
UCE1: Uh uh.
WELLS: Get you to roll, roll over on that. Got a guy at the airport one time had a
hundred fifty-nine thousand dollars. Lied about where he got it from.
Wasn't any drugs at all involved. And the dog going (U). I swear to you.
Came back from Vegas. Went to Vegas to launder his money. Dog ran
on the money, didn’t alert. So we seized it. Right. Basically anything
other than lies, told a bunch of lies. And uh, never even showed up.
UCE1: It's not worth it.
WELLS: Just show it. His lawyer showed up along the bank. Judge goes no. I
want your client in here. Uh, my client's not here. He's over in Russia.
Crazy world, man. So how can you make it, just going two, two at a time?
When you, you're used to doing ten?
UCE1: Well, I can't like, I, I left Tulsa, man. I left it. I, I, I, so I'm just trying to
pull them back in. The problem is they don't want back. They don't come
easy for some reason, so.
WELLS: Is the uh, border real tight around there?
UCE1: Uh, it's all right. It's better than it was. Well, I mean it was. It was real
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bad just a month ago. It was bad, bad. But it’s better.
WELLS: Seems like the perfect deal is to get paid to go pick up a load and not
know it. I had an investigation uh, this preacher comes into the chief's
office. And his, this girl confesses that her brother-in-law bringing back a
load of dope and he’s a retired policeman. So I did a bunch of
investigation. And uh, ended up talking to him on it, you know, he made
two trips and that was it. He said uh, I suspected it's probably drugs. I
mean it was a semi into Wichita. Anyway he said this guy asked me if I
wanted to make some money and he needed an armed guard. He asked
him what for and he said well, it's a bunch of jewelry, some furs, and some
other items. But it's from the warehouse down in Florida and bringing it
to Wichita. And I want an armed driver. So he makes this trip from
Florida to Wichita. Guy gives him forty thousand dollars. Just to drive a
truck. Truck's locked. He don't know what's in it. And got paid in cash.
The guy called him up the next month and said hey, can you make that trip
for me again? He said sure. So then he gave him again forty thousand
dollars for every trip. And then he said I, I figured it that, even though I
didn't know what was in it, I figured it was probably dope. So, I quit.
They can't get you for what you don't know. I mean, that'd be the perfect
uh, job. Just, just to uh, if you get caught with it man, it's yours. Even if
you don't know. (U) I've seen a lot of good uh, uh, concealment methods.
False floors, false dashes, false batteries on cars that actually worked.
UCE1: Yeah, yeah.
WELLS: Guys, they're good.
UCE1: Lock your steering wheel. Lock the...
WELLS: Yeah. So I'll give you a call about uh.
UCE1: So what time you want me to tell him? You want me to tell him?
WELLS: Uh, if it's normal for you to call him at home, tell him maybe seven or
something. But uh, like I said, if we miss it then, you've made three, um,
G's on this one, and...
UCE1: That's not hardly worth your time.
WELLS: (Laughs) That's more money than I made this month. Or this week.
UCE1: I know. I know.
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WELLS: (Laughs)
UCE1: I know, but it's uh...
WELLS: But you know it's good (U) going away with this.
UCE1: Hmm?
WELLS: And whatever I said. You won't have to worry about us ever again.
UCE1: See and that's the thing. Uh, I won't worry about you. It's good for me to
have somebody where you are. You hear me?
WELLS: Yeah, yeah I heck yeah. Yeah you won't believe how (U). The most
powerful person in this system is the officer. Because uh, I have such
good rapport with an informant been in trouble a lot of times. See, what
(U) got a bunch of charges on him. He’s a three time ex-con. Oklahoma
law says three times, three strikes and you're out. The minimum sentence
is forty years. So he gets forty years for dealing a little rock of crack
cocaine. So, when the judge sentences him, I say to the judge, uh, he's the
main judge in Tulsa. I say hey, Judge Gillard, uh, I know it's nothing for
you to uh, this informants given me armed robberies, serial armed
robberies, homicide suspects, not to count the dope busts. He’s a good
informant. He's done a lot of good for us. I know he screwed up, but I
(U), three time ex-con but anything you can do for him, I sure would be
grateful to you. Next week when all of us come in, he gives the guy a four
years suspended sentence.
UCE1: Huh?
WELLS: Oh, the, the D, D.A. is pissed. Defense attorney can't believe it. The
officer that arrested this guy goes, hey, what happened up there? But the
judge understands that this uh, ears on the ground, eyes on the pound is
invaluable. Police officer's brother gets shot during the robbery. They
call me and goes man, get a hold of your people. Within uh, two days we
had the guy.
UCE1: Huh.
WELLS: Yeah, yeah. I can' t keep these officers from jacking these guys up. Yeah.
But um, yeah, I mean it's just, uh, like I said it's good to have people that
can uh.
UCE1: Yeah, I hear ya.
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WELLS: It might not count for everything. It might count for something.
UCE1: Somebody to talk to the judge. That's more than I got.
WELLS: So even these lawyers, the reason why that when we bust somebody, the
reason why the lawyer doesn't want you talking, is because I can do more
for you than he can. And he knows that. I can get things dropped or
attitudes changed and he can't do that. See your lawyer doesn't make his
money if you're, if I'm helping you out.
UCE1: Hmm.
WELLS: And it just really pisses me off to see these guys go down and do time on
that. Cause their lawyer says don't talk to the police. Yeah, that's your
best ticket out. So. If you get popped down in Texas and they say who's
your source? You give them a load. And you walk.
UCE1: Yeah, that's, that's, that's a tall order, bro.
WELLS: You always want to keep somebody in your back pocket. You need to
keep somebody else. Have more than one, one source. All of my best
lines, some of these bars. I walk into a Mexican bar and I don't know
anybody. Don't speak English very well. Walk in three o'clock in the
afternoon, order a beer. They say no one comes in here and orders a beer
(U). My source got busted in Texas somehow. I was looking on shopping
(U). I might have used him, but I was used to getting a couple of keys you
know a week. My guy got busted. I got to find a new source. So to me
it's about business. I'm not about to (U). It costs money to (U) up there.
He's been two different ounces of cocaine (U). He said just keep it. Took
out a grand. And gave it to one of my girls to test.
UCE1: Did that work? No shit.
WELLS: I mean (U). Next thing I know I'm talking to him (U). Kilo's of dope.
But my office got so mad. Cause I was out there working on my own. I
said screw it. I’m not going to do it there.
UCE1: Umm.
WELLS: Screw it. I'm just saying, you got to keep you more than one source. In
case you want to give up a source. Let's say you get run in on by Dallas
Police Department. Or wherever you live. They catch you with a couple
of pounds. It's possible. You say man, I'll give you my guy. You give
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them, you give them a guy that - and a couple of pounds and they’re
happy.
UCE1: Plan is not to let that happen.
WELLS: Well, and, and the more cash they get, the better they like it. Cause cash
at the D.A.'s office loves the cash. I had a C.I.'s pretty much doing what
you're doing and he had about eight ounces. He does the deals. He good
man. But they were, never call me again. If you're gonna stay in the
business and I know you will. Always keep about forty thousand dollars
somewhere around your house. So if they come looking for you, keep
your jewelry. If you're dealing dope, they will. They find that cash, you
get to walk. Cause the D.A.'s office, I won't contest the cash that I got
from business. If I was you I'd do some construction work cause if you
work construction. So I can come in and show you some receipts, get the
cash back, or you can drop the charges, and I won’t fight the cash.
UCE1: That's pretty sweet.
WELLS: Like, like, like a break, you know?
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: You got me with this. And I could probably get it back from if I fight it.
But I won't fight it. If I wanted to put the breaks on my...
UCE1: It's all business.
WELLS: All business. Money is what drives the likes of us.
UCE1: Yeah.
WELLS: Well, I'm gonna run. I'll give you a call about seven.
UCE1: All right.
WELLS: And we'll go uh, if you find out anything that comes up between now and
then, call me.
UCE1: All right.
WELLS: All right.
(END OF CONVERSATION)
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