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									                                                                         NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING
                                                                                  OCTOBER 2009


                                     UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
                                      OCTOBER 20-22, 2009
                                   SHERATON STATION SQUARE
                                PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent
meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the
Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2009 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2009

1.0    OPENING COMMENTS

1.1    Call to Order / Quorum Check

       The NonDestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:03 a.m., 20-OCT-09.

       It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of
       the meeting.

       A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

       Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

            Name                               Company

        *   Stephen          Bauer             Northrop Grumman Corp.
        *   Mitch            Birzer            General Dynamics
        *   Alain            Bouchet           SAFRAN Group
            Tho (Tom)        Bui               Honeywell Aerospace
        *   Juergen          Burchards         MTU Aero Engines
            Zeljko           Calija            Goodrich Corporation
        *   Michael          Clark             Sikorsky Aircraft
        *   Richard          Costantino        Goodrich Aerostructures
            Grant            Crawford          The Boeing Company
            Michael          Daehling          Cessna Aircraft Company
            Audie            Dickson           Goodrich Corporation
        *   Chris            Dootson           BAE Systems
            Ward             Fong              309th Maintenance Wing - Hill AFB
            Dieter           Frentzen          Goodrich Corporation
        *   Leo              Going             United Space Alliance
        *   Greg             Hall              Cessna Aircraft Company
            Tim              Hayes             Hawker Beechcraft
        *   Sylvain          Héon              Bombardier Inc.
        *   Trevor           Hiscox            Airbus
            Eddie            Hofer             Rockwell Collins
        *   Robert           Hogan             Honeywell Aerospace
        *   Edward           Hohman            Bell Helicopter Textron
            Dennis           Jackson           Sikorsky Aircraft
        *   Phil             Keown             GE Aviation                             Chairperson
            Dr. Hans         Hermann Kopp      MTU Aero Engines
            Tim              Krumholz          Rockwell Collins
        *   Serge            Labbé             Heroux Devtek
        *   Ron              Levi              Lockheed Martin
        *   Donald           MacLean           Raytheon Co.
        *   Michael          Mitchell          Hamilton Sundstrand
        *   Dale             Norwood           Parker Aerospace
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*   Gary            O'Neill         Parker Aerospace
    Doug            Prenovost       Northrop Grumman Corp.
*   Robert          Rainone         Goodrich Corporation
*   Carl            Roche           Textron Defense Systems
    Michael         Rolland         Bombardier Inc.
*   David           Royce           Pratt & Whitney                         Secretary
    Daniel          Ryan            United Space Alliance
*   Bobby           Scott           Bombardier Inc.
*   Michael         Shiplett        Vought Aircraft
*   Andy            Statham         Rolls-Royce plc                         Vice Chairperson
*   Scott           Sullivan        Honeywell Aerospace                     AQS Liaison
    Steve           Tooley          Rolls-Royce plc
*   Peter           Torelli         The Boeing Company
*   Louis           Truckley        The Boeing Company
*   David           Vaughn          Spirit AeroSystems
    Tony            Warren          Airbus

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

    Name                            Company

    John            Abrahams        RTI International Metals, Inc.
    James           Ahlemeyer       Ducommun Aerostructures NY
    Christopher     Andersen        PCC Structurals
    Dan             Antus           Canton Drop Forge
    Leandro         Aparicio        Advanced Coating Technique
    Walter Jr       Asmus           Magnetic Inspection Laboratory
*   Andy            Bakewell        E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.
    Gail            Bardelli        The Barden Corporation
    Greg            Bolduc          GTI
*   N. David        Campbell        West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs
    Jeff            Cerre           Globe Engineering
    Jerry           Colombo         Precise Machining & Mfg.
    Dwayne          Cooper          RTI International Metals, Inc.
    Michael         Craghead        Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc.
    Larry           Culbertson      Stork
*   Robert          Custer          AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.
    Jim             DeChellis       West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs
    Fabienne        DuFour          Sherwin Babb Co.
*   Paul            Evans           James Fisher IMS Ltd.
*   Bill            Evridge         X-R-I Testing
    Albert          Fletcher        West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs
    Ben             Flores          Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.
    Sarah           Fuqua           Kearfott Guidance & Navigation Corp.
    Michael J.      Guthmiller      Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.
    Ballard         Hindman         Advanced Coating Technique
    Randy           Hite            PCC Airfoils
    Jim             Jensen          Moeller Mfg. Company
    Jeff            Jones           Alloy Processing, Inc.
    Greg            Judy            Team Industrial Services
    George          Karelas         Master Metal Finishers
*   Richard         King            New Hampshire Ball Bearings
    Amanda          Kirchner        beyondRelations LLC
    Richard         Kline           X-R-I Testing
    Rick            Kowalczyk       X-R-I Testing
    Karl            Lago            Tube Bends
    Grant           Lilley          Meyer Tool, Inc
    Bill            Lucas           Tactair Fluid Controls Inc.
*   D.E. "Skip"     McDougall       Hitco Carbon Composites
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          Norm             Miller            Senior Aerospace, Ketema Division
      *   David            Mitchell          Mitchell Labs
      *   Alan             Parsons           Exova UK Ltd.
          Scott            Peterson          beyondRelations LLC
          Bryce            Pleake            Hytek Finishes
      *   Mark             Pompe             West Penn Nondestructive Testing Labs
          Jonathan         Pugh              Exova UK Ltd.
          John             Quesada           Corpus Christi Army Depot
          Catherine        Renfer            ESCO Turbine Tech
      *   Cindy            Roth              Team Industrial Services
          Guy              Saenz             Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
          John             Save              Modern Drop Forge LLC
          Tetyana          Shmyreva          Praxair Surface Technologies Ltd.
          Scott            Singer            Imagineering Finishing Tech.
          Tim              Sloan             Solar Atmospheres of Western PA
          John             Smith             Sandvik Special Metals
      *   Greg             Smotherman        Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc.
      *   Ryan             Soule             Alcoa Power and Propulsion Howmet
          Jackie           Sternot           PAKO, Inc.
          Dawn             Stokes            PTI Industries Inc.
          Debbie           Sykes             Hixson Metal Finishing
          John             Tamashaitis       Kamatics Corporation
          Mark             Tierney           Laboratory Testing Inc.
          Marc             Trepanier         Composites Atlantic Ltd.
          Debbie           Vogel             Triumph Actuation Systems
          Mark             Warchol           Alcoa, Inc.
      *   Gary             White             Orbit Industry
          Dale             Wilds             Solar Atmospheres of Western PA
          John             Wilhelms          PCC/SMP Airfoils LLC
          Sean             Wood              Triumph Actuation Systems
          Brian            Yazumbek          Modern Drop Forge LLC

      PRI Staff Present

          Mark             Aubele
          Phil             Ford
          Mike             Gutridge
          Rhonda           Joseph
          Kellie           O’Connor

1.2   Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes / RAIL Review – OPEN

      Motion made by Mike Mitchell & seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the July 2009 minutes.
      Motion Passed

      The minutes from July 2009 were approved as written.

      The following RAIL items were reviewed: See 10.0 and 17.0

      The Code of Ethics was reviewed.

2.0   TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED

      Ray Cleghorn of The Boeing Company observed an audit and reported acceptable results. Russell
      Mobley of GE Aviation observed an audit.

      Seven individuals from Rolls-Royce plc offered comments on their NUCAP audits.

      Six Scope Extension audits were conducted.
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       Nine Auditor Advisories were issued in 2009.

       There is currently one open Supplier Advisory.

       Nine audits were failed by the Task Group, and of those two were overturned.

       Twelve audits lapsed out of 704 or 1.7%.

       NIP 6-01 was revised. A proposal to revise NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 was presented. The revision
       will allow for industry experts to be on an Ad-Hoc group if they are not members of the Task Group.

       The current sub-committee members list was presented.

       The current Ad-Hoc team list was presented.

       “Unrestricted” Auditors can now be utilized for all audits. Several EC-LR issues have arisen due to
       the attachment of documents supporting the compliance section of audits. Discussion ensued on
       the topic of attaching documents to the audits.

       Motion made by David Royce & seconded by Ed Holman to approve not attaching technical
       information pertaining to the compliance section of the audit. If Primes require the information, they
       should contact the Supplier directly. This is an effort to avoid EC-LR issues. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory stating that documents for compliance jobs are no
longer to be attached in the audit. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

3.0    ETHICS AND APPEALS - ISSUES AND CONCERNS – CLOSED

       A Supplier has appealed two findings from an audit. The issue concerns a direct reference to
       specific paragraphs from industry documents in their procedures. The Task Group determined that
       not enough information is contained in the Written Practices to meet the Nadcap requirements.

       Motion made by Bobby Scott & seconded by Dave Vaughn to uphold the findings. Motion
       Passed

4.0     AUDITOR TRAINING REPORT– CLOSED

       The topics covered in Auditor training were presented. Some items presented were Phased Array
       Ultrasonics, Digital Radiography and cultural differences.

5.0    TECHNICAL DISCUSSIONS– CLOSED

       The Annual Performance Review was discussed. Is it the intent of the Task Group that the specific
       part numbers that were reviewed be recorded? The Compliance Assessment Guidance will be
       revised to include the information required. Staff will make a proposal for the February 2010
       meeting.

       A request was made to the Aerospace Quality Systems (AQS) Task Group - Is it necessary to
       review calibration certificates to ensure accuracy and verify that all equipment was within
       calibration when equipment is calibrated by an internal calibration source? Both AC7004 and
       AS9100 require that records of the results of calibrations and verifications be maintained. There is
       no written requirement however, in the AQS system requiring review of those results.

       The Task Group Language and Translation Control Instruction has been created. This proposal
       will provide instruction for approving translated documents, checklists, etc.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue determine next steps for the Language and Translation Control
Instruction. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)
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       Comments pertaining to the proposed checklist revisions were discussed.

6.0    AD-HOC TEAM REPORT OUT– CLOSED

       See topics 10.0 and 17.0 for discussion involving Ad-Hoc Teams.

7.0    SUPPLEMENTS DISCUSSION– CLOSED

       This topic was not discussed.

8.0    NEW BUSINESS– CLOSED

       Phil Ford and Andy Statham presented new Task Group Member training to the following: Tony
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       Warren of Airbus, Tim Krumholz of Rockwell, Ward Fong of the 309 Maintenance Wing, and
       Daniel Ryan of United Space Alliance.

9.0    CHAIRMAN’S BRIEFING - OPEN

       Ad-Hoc groups of the NMC were discussed. Groups are addressing flow down issues and
       standardization.

       The issue of Auditor training will be spearheaded by the NDT Task Group, there currently isn’t a
       formal program for actual training in auditing. A training block will be proposed for new and current
       Auditors.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate general Auditor technique training. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

       Prime observation of audits is encouraged. The Nadcap Management Council (NMC) will be asking
       on the management level to allow Task Group members to do observation audits at least once a
       year. This may become a requirement of being a Task Group member.

       A feedback form is now available for questions and feedback on meetings. This is an effort to strive
       for better meetings.

       The NDT Task Group will complete approximately 1005 audits this year.

       The logistics for the February 2010 meeting were given.

       NASA and Aftermarket providers have expressed an interest in the program.

10.0   PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS - OPEN

       The NDT Staff Report was presented.



         Staff Report OCT
               09.ppt


       Staff delegation was presented and reviewed. No action is required.

       Motion made by Pete Torelli & seconded by Mike Mitchell to approve the revision of NTGOP-001
       Appendix 1 paragraph 4.2.1 allowing non-Task Group members to be members of an Ad-Hoc
       group. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 on a letter ballot to the Task Group. (DUE
DATE: 29-Jan-10)
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       Motion made by Ryan Soule & seconded by Andy Statham to approve the proposed revision of
       NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT. Motion Passed

       RAIL items that are open were reviewed. Update of Prime / Supplier voting members and Method
       Chairs will develop Audit training.

       The cycle time for Suppliers with initial audits is in the red. Staff will investigate.

11.0   SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION - OPEN

       Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee report



        NDT SSC TG Report


12.0   AD-HOC PANEL REPORTS - OPEN

       Reports were presented on the following teams: Filmless Radiography and UT Phased Array.
       The Filmless Radiography team is awaiting the release of the work being performed by the MAI II
       team, which is developing ASTM documents.

       The UT Phased Array checklist was sent to the Task Group for a preliminary review and comments
       were received. The checklist will now be sent for ballot.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to ballot AC7114/3 with the added Phased Array questions. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-
10)

13.0   NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW AND REVISION - OPEN

       Several Nadcap procedures have been revised, including NIP 4-02, NIP 6-01, NIP 7-02, NIP 7-05,
       NIP 8-01, NOP-001, NOP-004, NOP-011, and NTGOP-001 Appendix 1.

       The delinquency policy of NIP 7-03 has been changed from forty-five late days to thirty late days.
       Though late days are available if needed, too many late days may result in reduction in merit (more
       than seven results in a loss of twenty-four month merit; more than fourteen days results in a loss of
       eighteen month merit).

14.0   TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS - OPEN

       The Task Group Language and Translation Control Instruction has been created. This proposal
       will provide instruction for approving translated documents, checklists, etc. English is the official
       language for all audits, documents and correspondences.

       ITAR/EAR issues – “Unrestricted” Auditors can now be utilized for all audits. Several EC-LR issues
       have arisen due to the attachment of documents supporting the compliance section of audits.
       Documents are no longer to be attached to audits reports to avoid potential EC-LR issues during
       audit review. Staff stated that no Auditor is allowed to remove documents from the Supplier given
       to them by the Supplier. All provided copies are to be returned to the Supplier by the end of the
       audit.

       The conduct of Auditors during the audit and at close out meetings was discussed.

15.0   NEW BUSINESS - OPEN

       Proposed changes to the checklists were presented and discussed.

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        Motion made by Gary White & seconded by David Mitchell to approve Bob Custer as the SSC
        delegate for the NMC. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: Task Group to notify NMC of Bob Custer’s approval. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

        The issue of the Annual Performance Review of Level 3’s was discussed. It is permissible for a
        “qualified” Level 2 to perform the review of the Level 3. The Compliance Assessment Guidance
        will be revised.

        The new Nadcap Meeting Facilitation Feedback form was presented, reviewed, and completed.

16.0    DEVELOP AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING - OPEN

        The next meeting with be in Rome on February 22-26, 2010. There will be the regular agenda
        items and also a workshop on NAS 410 rev C. Monday afternoon, 22-Feb-10, with be devoted to
        Supplements with the regular meetings starting Tuesday, 23-Feb-10. The open meeting will be
        Wednesday afternoon and conclude Thursday morning.

17.0    REVIEW ACTION ITEMS FROM MEETING (RAIL) - OPEN

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue Auditor Advisory stating that documents for compliance jobs are no
longer to be attached in the audit. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue determine next steps for the Language and Translation Control
Instruction. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to investigate general Auditor technique training. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to ballot AC7114/3 with the added Phased Array questions. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-
10)

ACTION ITEM: Task Group to notify NMC of Bob Custer’s approval. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 on a letter ballot to the Task Group. (DUE
DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: The items of clarification from the Supplier workshop need to be addressed. Bob Hogan
and Scott Sullivan are to provide. (DUE DATE: 29-Jan-10)

ACTION ITEM: Staff to investigate the cycle time for Suppliers with initial audits is in the red. (DUE DATE:
30-Oct-30)

ACTION ITEM: Staff to send an email prior to meeting so that specific items can be addressed at that
meeting. (DUE DATE: 18-Jan-10)


18.0    SUPPLEMENT AD-HOC TEAM DISCUSSION - CLOSED

        This topic was not discussed.

ADJOURNMENT – 22-OCT-09 – Meeting was adjourned at 12:08 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: David N. Royce, email: david.royce@pw.utc.com



        October RAIL.xls
RAIL:

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                       ***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved
during this meeting? (select one)

YES*                                NO



*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring        Who is responsible:                 Due date:
revision:
NTGOP-001 Appendix I       Mike Gutridge                          29-Jan-10


NIP 6-01 Appendix NDT      Mike Gutridge                          29-Jan-10




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