T-Unit # Speaker Text me
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1 Cheryl I mean… 1
2 Lee Jesus. 0
3 Cheryl See I : 0
4 Cheryl see where 0
5 Cheryl this little thing is? 0
6 Cheryl It looks to me 1
7 Cheryl like it got wiped out. 0
8 Cheryl That’s where 0
9 Cheryl I wrote it. 0
10 Ed Could be. 0
11 Cheryl And it looks like 0
somebody copied it
somewhere else or did
12 Cheryl something. 1
13 John That’s not : 0
14 John I don’t remember that at all. 1
15 Cheryl Do we have a printout of it? 0
16 Ed I don’t. 0
17 ED I had it 0
18 ED and I don’t 0
19 Cheryl That’s okay, 0
20 Cheryl it’s not really a big thing. 0
21 Cheryl We can write it over again. 0
22 John It was a good start. 0
We had the description of the
individual communication
23 Ed devices in there 0
24 Cheryl Oh, that’s right. 0
25 Cheryl You did print it out? 0
26 John Ed printed it out. 0
27 Ed I printed it out. 0
We all got a copy, and then I
28 John … 0
29 Cheryl Oh, then I might have it here. 0
30 Ed You might have it here,. 0
31 John Folded it up 0
32 Cheryl Oh, here it is. 0
33 John Exactly, that’s exactly it. 0
34 John She’s got it. 0
35 Cheryl Oh, well I didn’t take it out. 0
36 John Okay 0
Well, I’ll just put it in the folder
37 Cheryl here. 0
38 Cheryl Well it’s : okay. 0
39 John Do you want 0
40 John me to read it to you? 1
We’ve eliminated side desks
41 Ed with private workstations. 0
42 John Yes 0
43 Cheryl Of course, I can’t … 0
44 John Yes, we’ve eliminated 0
Wait a minute. I can’t type
45 Cheryl here and be looking over 0
46 John Yeah, I know 0
47 John what you are saying. 0
We’ve eliminated side desks
48 John with private work stations. 0
We’ve preserved central table
49 John with built-in public screens. 0
We introduced a personal
communications device which
includes sketch pad, video
capture, keyboard, mouse (or
trackball) and the ability to
50 John display from remote 0
We’ve added video and audio
capture and video link for
51 John remote conferencing. 0
52 John We’re using 0
private computers remotely
located or portables as the
53 John private workstations. 0
The private machines should
54 John be whatever platform 0
55 John the user likes. 0
We are now thinking of this as
a piece of furniture and not a
56 John room. 0
57 Cheryl That’s it. 0
Okay. Well, we’re reviewing
58 John that for today, 0
59 John I guess to see whether 0
60 John we want to add anything. 0
Did we want to put anything
61 Cheryl about the number of : 0
62 John there’s some things in here. 1
63 John Oh, the number of people. 0
64 Cheryl Yeah, th-at it’s variable; 0
Th-at the number of people is
limited only by the size of the
65 Cheryl table or : 0
66 Cheryl is that part of : 0
or are we going to build for six
67 Cheryl here. 0
Oh, : we don’t want to confine
68 Ed ourselves to build it for six. 0
69 ED I think this leaves that open. 0
70 Cheryl Well, I mean 1
our software is not very
71 Cheryl flexible now. 0
72 Cheryl Is that one of our goals? 0
Well, no, but in a two year
scenario we’ll build it for any
73 Ed number of people. 0
Okay, so should I put this part
74 Cheryl in? 0
The size of the table ought to
be determined by the
75 Cheryl installation? 0
76 Ed Yeah, sure. 0
What else we got? In this
77 Cheryl part? 0
About a simple way for
participants to take and put
78 Cheryl the results on private 0
Yeah, we would hope th-at
79 John that one… 0
80 Cheryl Take … 0
We would hope th-at that
81 John would be the. 0
82 John I mean for instance 1
you can do it now to some
83 John extent. 1
84 Cheryl It’s not simple though. 0
85 Ed But it could be simpler. 0
86 Cheryl Meaning it could be 1
Well, your private machine :
87 John oh, yeah I see 0
88 John what you’re saying. 0
89 Cheryl Okay, click a button 0
and this goes to every private
90 Cheryl machine. 0
Yeah, that way everybody
91 John could see. Okay. 0
So should I close out all of
92 Cheryl this other stuff? 0
You might want to leave the
93 John drawings 0
so we can just pick up other
94 John stuff. 0
Well, are we doing this and
95 Cheryl this? 0
96 Cheryl I don’t understand. 0
Are we having a personal
97 Cheryl communications device 0
or are we having private
98 Cheryl machines? 0
Well, the personal
99 Ed communications device … 0
100 Cheryl Is the private machine? 0
… is probably going to be a
101 Ed private machine. 0
But we also, somewhere in
102 ED here : maybe it doesn’t say, 1
but there should be the ability
to take it back to your private
103 ED machines offsite. 0
104 ED Now, what you’re saying 0
th-at if we implement this
work tablet, this personal
communications device with a
105 ED laptop 1
then that could have all of the
106 ED local processing power 0
and the only thing you would
want to get to your office
107 ED machine would be files … 0
That would be the easiest
108 Cheryl thing to do 0
109 Cheryl wouldn’t it? 0
110 Ed That’s : 0
111 ED and that becomes …. 1
Why don’t you take control
112 Cheryl and let : 0
113 Cheryl I mean, 1
114 Cheryl this is : 0
115 Cheryl I don’t think 0
we’ve really spelled it out very
116 Cheryl well here. 0
The way I had seen this
personal communications
117 John device 0
118 John was it 0
actually belongs to the DCR
119 John table, not to the person. 0
120 Ed Right. 0
121 John Th-at it would be here 0
and then really when you plug
122 John in your portable, 0
you’re really only accessing
123 John applications 0
and you really only access the
124 John hard disk. 0
125 Cheryl What is the … 0
Oh, okay, now that’s an
126 Ed interesting idea because then 0
I want that individual
communications device,
however, to be useful to me
127 ED as a part of my portable 1
128 ED or is that simply… 0
129 Cheryl No… 0
130 John That may be an option. 0
Is that used solely to control
131 Ed the public machine? 0
132 John My feeling is 0
it was purely for public
133 John interaction. 0
134 Cheryl I think 0
135 Cheryl that’s the right way. 0
136 John I mean 1
137 John that was my feeling. 0
138 Ed Well certainly … 0
The features th-at allow for all
kinds of different input options
and output options all ought to
139 Cheryl be on the public. 0
140 Cheryl And the private ought to be… 0
But you’re crippling the private
141 Ed machines. 0
Well, to me the privates are
142 Cheryl just the privates. 1
143 John The privates … 0
144 Cheryl You bring the privates … 0
But suddenly there’s no more
145 Ed symmetry between them. 1
146 ED I can’t do here 0
147 ED what I can do here.. 0
Well you can always bind
148 John them… 0
149 Cheryl You can always bind them. 0
Put a Wacom tablet on to
150 Cheryl your… 0
151 Ed No, this isn’t a Wacom tablet, 0
152 ED this is a … 0
153 Cheryl What is this thing? 0
154 John Well, I get the feeling 0
th-at we could make one of
155 John these. 0
156 Ed Yeah. 0
157 John We would literally : 0
158 John I would go to ***, 0
get him to make me a wooden
159 John frame 1
th-at I’m going to put a
Wacom tablet and a keyboard
160 John into as the first prototype 0
of what this thing would
161 John actually be. 0
In other words, we won’t be
162 John able to buy this, 0
but th-at that would then
163 John become a part of this table… 1
How do you attach a Wacom
164 Cheryl tablet now anyway? 0
165 Cheryl Is it like a keyboard? 0
166 Cheryl Or is it like a … 0
167 Ed It’s just a cable. 0
It’s just a cable. Like a series
168 John : a parallel. 0
It goes into the back of your
169 Ed machine. 0
Yeah, the readers. The way
170 John we do digitizers a lot of times 1
they just plug into the
171 John keyboard. 0
They sort of : or the keyboard
172 John plugs into them. 0
173 Ed Oh, the back yeah that’s right. 0
174 Cheryl Oh, can we do that? 0
The Wacoms plug into the
same kind of connector th-at
175 Ed … 1
176 Cheryl Well, that’s 0
177 Cheryl what I thought. 0
178 John Then they have a connector 0
th-at you can get to plug the
179 John keyboard into. 0
In other words there's a sort
180 John of serial setup 0
So we can’t just put them all
181 Cheryl together? 0
182 Cheryl Well then you can practice … 0
183 John You could. 0
You can just plug it into
184 Cheryl portable. 0
No, you can put them all
185 John together. 0
Oh, yeah you can plug it into a
186 Ed portable. 0
But then you would have to
physically change it from one
187 ED to another. 0
188 Cheryl Or we just need to have more.
189 Ed You put it on your portable
190 Cheryl Or we just have to have more.
191 Ed But then we’re relying
on the sharing software to
enable not only the mouse
and the keyboard, but also the
Wacom tablet to have control
192 ED of the public screen.
193 ED That was
194 ED what I had in mind.
On Wednesday, some
thinking of : the thinking of the
private machines as your
195 Cheryl private business
and so whatever your private
196 Cheryl machine was,
197 Cheryl you could outfit it
198 Cheryl however you wanted to,
but that wasn’t the DCR
199 Cheryl business.
200 Cheryl So if you had :
201 Cheryl do you know
202 Cheryl what I’m saying?
203 Ed I mean,
204 ED you certainly have all of that,
205 ED but what you’re doing
206 ED is retraining it
207 ED by saying that.
208 Cheryl So, well I mean ***VS***
209 Cheryl what our product is.
210 Ed **VS**
211 John Yeah, and this is …
212 Cheryl ….and I don’t think
our product is enhanced
213 Cheryl private workstations.
214 Ed Oh, no.
215 John They…
And so if we want to have this
216 Cheryl new personal input device,
217 Cheryl put it on…
No, they come in with their
private machines. **tape
218 Ed fades out**
focusing on their private
219 ED machines,
because they’re plugging their
private machines into our
220 ED network as well...
221 Cheryl What about if it’s a remote?
Then they have to have it out
222 Ed there.
223 ED If it’s remote,
they’re not going to have one
224 ED of these tablets.
Well, but I want them to have
225 Cheryl one.
226 John Yeah.
227 Cheryl I want
the person to be able to come
in here and work on the public
228 Cheryl machine
even if they don’t have a
229 Cheryl machine
230 Ed Now you’re talking about ***
231 ED you’re remote.
232 ED And I’m confused
233 ED are we remote or in here?
Are you talking about a
234 ED remote table?
235 Cheryl No, you come in here :
you don’t even have a
236 Cheryl machine,
but you want to interact on
237 Cheryl this thing.
You want to have the personal
238 Cheryl input device.
Yeah, and part of the personal
239 Ed input device is
something which is sitting
here which happens to be one
240 ED of the DCR’s laptops.
241 ED You know,
242 ED it’s …
Yeah, but why have it on the
243 Cheryl laptop?
244 Cheryl That’s what
245 Cheryl I’m saying.
For the simple reason th-at :
the laptop computer gives you
246 Ed added functionality and
247 ED it’s …
248 Cheryl But you don’t…
249 Ed …you are controlling it,
and there’s one technical
250 ED reason
251 ED and th-at is that
the public machine only has a
252 ED *** number of these ports.
So if you’re going to provide a
253 ED Wacom protocol,
you’re going to have a big
254 ED network snarl of these….
255 John Right. I mean.
***tape inaudible*** and chaos
256 Ed arises.
You give up the sharing
capability or the control of turn
257 ED taking
if you plug them in ***tape
258 ED inaudible***
259 ED I think
that’s probably the only
feasible way to have six
260 ED Wacoms ***tape inaudible***
everybody would be drawing
simultaneously ***tape
261 ED inaudible***
262 John So you’re saying th-at :
263 John I see what
264 John you’re saying because
the difference then here : we
all have individual control to
265 John our mouse,
but it goes through the private
266 John machine
and then it is fed into the
267 John network.
268 Ed Right.
Directly. We’re not feeding
directly into that central
269 John machine.,
270 John but so what I was wondering,
cause I was figuring in a worst
271 John case scenario
somebody would come here,
272 John Byron Pipes,
and he wouldn’t have a
273 John PowerBook
because he doesn’t carry his
PowerBook everywhere.
274 John Right?
275 John He’s just going to talk to us,
and again this was a part of
276 John the dream scenario
but th-at there was actually
going to have to be a small
277 John motherboard CPU here.
278 Cheryl Uh-hmm
… th-at at the worst case
279 John scenario it could be run
with nobody bringing their
280 John PowerBook :
281 John that’s if
we just all bring in a piece of
282 John paper.
283 Cheryl No private machines.
284 Ed No…
285 John But there would actually be…
286 Ed …there are private machines.
There would actually be
287 John private machines :
288 John they might be very slow ones,
because they’re really only
there to power your input
289 John device,
but they’re not running any
290 John applications
because all of the applications
are running on your central
291 John machine.
292 Ed Right.
293 John Do you know
294 John what I’m saying?
So th-at in a worst case
scenario I : we all forget our
295 John PowerBooks
296 John or we just don’t have them …
297 Cheryl But we can still work.
But we could still come and
298 John work on something,
299 John or we can still open Form Z
and we would need an
300 John individual control
and we really only need that
301 John CPU as a means to drive…
Do we really need a separate
302 Cheryl CPU? Just for that function?
303 Ed Again, unless you’re :
304 ED unless we invent
something new th-at goes on
305 ED the public machine…
306 John Yeah.
… how are we going to
307 Ed control access?
How are we going to prevent
308 ED chaos?
309 Cheryl I don’t know.
310 John I would defer your …
311 Cheryl I guess
I would have to answer your
312 Cheryl question.
313 John That’s the thing …
314 Cheryl It just seems like
if the only function of six
personal computers is to allow
315 Cheryl :
you know allow poll(?) and
turn taking from six
316 Cheryl keyboard’s mice and
317 Ed Sure there might be …
318 Cheryl Th-at that’s pretty expensive.
… there might be a simpler
319 Ed That’s a pretty expensive
solution.
320 Cheryl cost.
321 Cheryl I mean
if we’re trying to sell these
322 Cheryl things …
323 John Well, I guess in my mind
we were just running like : in
324 John my mind,
325 John and I’m not saying
326 John th-at I know enough about it,
327 John but I was thinking
328 John to do that to a 286 board,
329 John let’s say
330 John th-at you could buy for like
331 John $50 is enough to do it.
332 Cheryl Uhmmm
333 John In other words, it’s not like
334 John I’m processing anything on it.
It might even be enough just
to have a separate public
machine kind of a gateway
335 Ed machine…
336 John Ah-ha
Which all of us are plugged
337 Ed into,
338 ED but which says
which of us actually gets to
play the games on this (bangs
339 ED on something).
So it’s two machines instead
340 Cheryl of …
341 John The smaller.
… with some turn taking
protocols. That probably is
342 Ed feasible,
but again it’s a
hardware/software kind of
343 ED question.
344 Cheryl Well, I :