14-19 Task Group Meeting
Minutes of the Meeting of Thursday 19th May 2005
11am – 1pm
Barbara Prior John Ruskin College
Don King Learning and Skills Council
Gill Cumberland Richmond Upon Thames College
Helen Robinson Prospects Services Ltd
Jennifer Sims John Ruskin College
John Stopani Croydon College
Kate Ambrosi Croydon, London Borough
Kay Trotter Kingston Upon Thames
Lillian Magero Rathbone Training
Michael Larbalstier Prospects Services Ltd.
Richard Beales Merton College
Richard Latham Croydon 14-19
Paula Dunkley SLLP
Sue Overy Connexions
Tony Dowling Representing Sutton
Dillwyn Rosser Way To Work
Hilary Moore` Department for Education & Skills
Keith Hunter Government Office for London
Lianne McCarthy Bromley College
Peter Latham Kingston Upon Thames
Richard Stanley Merton, London Borough
Apologies were read to the forum.
2. Previous Minutes and Matters Arising
The minutes of the previous meeting were agreed.
i) Matters arising were as follows:
ii) A demonstration of Fast Tomato was on the agenda.
iii) The recommendations of the 14-19 Strategy Group were referred to the
Board. Discussions were still underway with the LSC about the group
ACTION: iv) Information on EMA would be put on the website.
v) Teaching Creativity – a workshop would be organised.
vi) Discussion on an event on the White paper was on the agenda.
3. LSC Update
Don King Head of Young People’s Learning LSLSC.
i) The LSC would be putting aside funding for an employability/WRL
framework post 16.
ii) There had been a strong response to StAR options to work with borough
partnerships to develop capacity. Approval had been given to provide some
funding for boroughs not in receipt of AWI funds, (i.e Richmond, Kingston,
Merton and Sutton).
iii) Don outlined the format of the PAN London 14-19 Forum which is chaired
by Joy Mercer and has membership across key areas for 14-19 work. The
group had worked with London Challenge to produce the Pan London Learner
Offer, which had been consulted on.
The LSCs in London are producing a joint 14-19 strategy, which will be
The LSC had approached the SLLP to use its expertise in helping the London
Forum disseminate its work across London.
ESF Bidding Round
The final round of ESF was out for consultation, closing 20th May. The main
item links to the September Guarantee, for the two years of summer activity.
There are other proposals for Young People around E2E and pre E2E
provision, and a particular reference to Richmond.
4. Work Related Learning Post 16
Kay Trotter reported on the group which had met to consider WRL Post 16,
and asked for comment on the draft document which had been sent with the
The focus was to explore the possibilities for post 16, building on KS4, for all
young people and all career pathways.
The process the group had used, including looking at any work by QCA and
Tomlinson, was described.
The group had discussed impact on KS5, identifying which elements have
employment opportunities and the types of employment available. It had
exchanged ideas about current activities and focused on individual student
Skills were identified at Level 3 and Level 2, with differentiation according to
There was discussion about using the document as an auditing tool and
identifying support available for activities.
Don King supported the approach and asked that it support the learner
entitlement being developed.
ACTION: Meeting with LSC to be organised with Project Group FE and
6th Form Colleges, forming a core-working group to take it forward.
5. Fast Tomato Demonstration
Michael Larbalstier, Prospects Services Ltd.
Michael described the tool, which had been developed by the Morrisby
Organisation. It was being used in 1 in 5 school with 125,000 users.
A demonstration of the product was given to the group with opportunity for
A discussion on the use of the product covered its use for careers guidance
and use to publicise courses in each institution. It is currently used in
Bromley, Sutton and Kingston.
ACTION: Recommend to borough partnerships that information on
courses available post-16 are shared.
6. SLLP Activity 05/06
i) Event on ‘After Tomlinson’
The key issue was implementation of the DFES proposals in the 14-19 White
Paper - How do we develop capacity and expertise to deliver vocational
courses across the curriculum?
It was likely to include expansion of vocational provision in schools. The
group would like to hear from others about their experience of ensuring
access to the vocational offer.
The event should focus on;
A clear picture of the way forward.
A clear sense of direction.
It was suggested that 16-19 does not get enough focus, including embedding
of good practice.
ACTION: Janice Pigott to put proposal together for the next meeting.
ii) NEET Project
The response to the questionnaire had been low. It was decided to carry on
investigating the factors involved in engaging NEET or more of NEET young
iii) Support for Value Added
The LSC Value Added project has a conference on 30th June, with a focus on
science, maths and psychology. The SLLP had been continuing the support
for the Vocational Value Added project led by Carshalton, and that would
have a workshop at the conference.
iv) Curriculum Network
The SLLP had issued information on Health and Social Care and Leisure and
Tourism. The other groups were in the process of developing information.
This work would be continued and linked to Curriculum groups through the
Value Added project.
7. Any Other Business
Future Agenda items;
Demonstration of electronic registration.
8. Date of Next Meeting
It was pointed out that the 28th June clashed with the Sutton 14-19
It was agreed to hold the meeting on July 7th from 2-4pm. Venue to be