landsurv aug2009

							                                    MINUTES

               BOARD FOR PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYORS

DATE:              August 5, 2009

TIME:              9:30 A.M.

PLACE:             500 N. Calvert Street
                   Room 308
                   Baltimore, Maryland 21202

PRESENT:           Charles Maloy, Chairman
                   Joan Dunne
                   John Mettee
                   Donald Ocker
                   Daniel Lavelle
                   Thomas Orisich

OTHERS
PRESENT:           Pamela J. Edwards, Assistant Executive Director
                   Milena Trust, Assistant Attorney General
                   Harry Loleas, Deputy Commissioner
                   Deborah L. Evans, Administrative Secretary
                   Shannon Davis, Outreach Coordinator
                   Steve Jones, Maryland Society of Surveyors

CALL TO ORDER

        Charles Maloy, Chairman called the meeting to order at 9:35 a.m.

MINUTES

       Motion (I) was made by Mr. Orisich, seconded by Mr. Mettee and
unanimously carried to approve the minutes of the June 3, 2009 meeting as
written.
MINUTES – LAND SURVEYORS
August 5, 2009
Page Two

COMPLAINT REPORT

#08-LS-06 – inactive
#08-LS-10 – continued – waiting for more information from respondent
#08-LS-15 – closed – consent order signed
#09-LS-05 – closed – letter of warning to be sent
#09-LS-06 – send for investigation
#09-LS-07 – closed - complaint withdrawn
#09-LS-08– under review
#10-LS-01 – send 10 day response letter
#10-LS-02 – need more information from complainant; send 10-day letter
#10-LS-03 – send 10 day letter to respondent
#10-LS-04 – send to investigator

      Motion (II) was made by Mr. Mettee, seconded by Ms. Dunne and
unanimously carried to accept the committee’s report as submitted.

CORRESPONDENCE

        The Board received an e-mail from Mr. Gustafson inquiring as to whether
3-D laser scanning requires licensure. The Board states that 3D laser scanning,
just like photogrammetry or GPS, is a tool that is being used, and it is not the tool
or the equipment itself that defines whether or not the licensure is required, but
the end result or purpose for which such equipment is used. The Board
emphasized that it does not license the technology; instead, it is the purpose for
which the technology is being used that defines the licensing requirements. Ms.
Trust will draft a letter back to Mr. Gustafson. Motion (III) to adopt this position
was made by Mr. Orisich, seconded by Ms. Dunne and unanimously carried.

NEW BUSINESS

        Mr. Orisich bought to the Board’s attention that some County RFP’s may
allow professional engineers to do work that only a professional land surveyor or
property line surveyor should do and specifying a scope of work that is less than
the requirements needed to meet the minimum standards of practice. Ms. Trust
will draft a letter to Talbot and St. Mary’s County regarding this. It was noted that
the Board does not have the authority or interest in advising any municipality on
the manner in which the county business is conducted. However, the Board is
charged with making sure that in the interest of public protection, the services are
performed by individuals who are appropriately licensed to perform such services
and meet the minimum standards of practice. Pursuant to the terms of the
Board’s licensing statute, a portion of the services called for by this RFP
MINUTES – LAND SURVEYORS
August 5, 2009
Page Three

could only be performed by Maryland licensed professional land or property line
surveyors. It should be noted that the Board appreciates their revisions of this
RFP and any future RFP’s in order to assure full compliance with the Maryland
State law governing land surveyors.

OTHER BUSINESS

        Ms. Trust and Shannon Davis, the Outreach Coordinator will draft an
article for the next newsletter regarding 3-D laser scanning.

       Ms. Edwards reported to the Board that the Professional Land Surveyors
and the Landscape Architects Board have decided to be excluded from the RFP
for an exam vendor.

       Mr. Loleas reported to the Board that he talked to one exam vendor who
would be willing to write the state specific examinations and the cost would be
around $15,000.00. Board members and outside people would be part of the
test development team.

      Mr. Maloy asked that staff start working on an RFP for the development of
these examinations.

      Mr. Orisich will be attending the NCEES Annual Meeting. It was also
noted by the Board that Howard Harclerode, Chairman of the Professional
Engineers Board, is running for Treasurer.

APPLICATIONS FOR PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR BY EXAMINATION

   1. William F. Grueninger, III – approved.
   2. John P. Demos – approved.

APPLICATIONS FOR CORPORATION

   1. Foresite Associates, Inc. – approved.
   2. Advanced Civil Design, Inc. – approved
   3. M. A. Engineering Consultants, Inc. – approved.

      Following a review of the above applications by a minimum of two board
members, a motion (IV) for approval was made by Mr. Orisich, seconded by Mr.
Mettee and unanimously carried.
MINUTES – LAND SURVEYORS
August 5, 2009
Page Four

EXECUTIVE SESSION

      Motion (V) was made by Mr. Orisich, seconded by Mr. Ocker to go into
Executive Session at 11:00 a.m., 3rd Floor Conference Room, Baltimore,
Maryland 21202. This meeting is permitted to be closed pursuant to State
Government Article, §10-508. The purpose of this meeting was to consult with
Counsel. Upon completion of the Session, the Board re-convened the public
meeting at 11:125.am.

APRIL 2009 EXAM STATISTICS

Fundamentals – 14 sat, 9 passed, 5 failed

Principles & Practice – 19 sat, 11 passed, 8 failed

Maryland Law & Ethical Issues – 19 sat, 16 passed, 3 failed

Maryland Road Grade & Storm Drain – 38 sat, 20 passed, 18 failed

9 people passed to get LSIT certificate
20 people passed to get licensed as a Professional Land Surveyor

ADJOURNMENT

      There being no further business, motion (VI) was made by Mr. Orisich,
seconded by Ms. Dunne and unanimously carried to adjourn the meeting at
11:45 a.m.


______ With Corrections

______ Without Corrections


Signed by Charles Maloy, Chairman, September 2, 2009.