What's Morally Wrong with
• Consider the fact that right now there're thousands of
people across the world.... having sex. It's kind of
disconcerting when you think about it, especially when
you realize you're sitting here listening to me .But when I
tell you some of these people are with partners of the
same sex and some of these people are with partners of
the other sex that fact seems to take on a significance all
its own and the question i want to explore tonight is ----
• What's morally wrong with homosexuality, if anything?
And if nothing, what's all the fuss about? This is a
wonderful, beautiful part of the human experience .If
we're gonna deny this to a whole group of people, saying
you can't have that, that’s wrong. We’d better have a
darn good reason.
Threat to the nation's infrastructure?
• "Homosexuality is a THREAT to the moral fabric of our
country”, it’s a THREAT to the nation's infrastructure" .
How does what I do in bed threaten the nation's
infrastructure? I might think I'm power in bed, but wow
that's a crazy claim.
• "Nation's infrastructure’s better watch out night, babe,"
The Parts Doesn’t Fit ?
• They have this argument in their mind that the parts don't
fit and I realize that if i was going to address people's
actual concerns, I have to address this argument. So i
have two responses to this argument.
• First response: Yes, they do. How do i know? Um, well
because if they didn't ,people would try it, it wouldn't work
and they do something else. I mean what that scenario
gonna look like?“ "Oh my god, the parts don't fit. What're
we going to do?“ "I don't know.“ "Do you want to go
bowling?" "Sure. This isn't working.”
• I would actually have people during the Q&A portion of my
program .I'm not making this up---they're like.. “well，of
course it's wrong, because...."and i would say :if you are
doing it this way, you are doing it wrong, What do you
want me to tell you?
The Words We Use
• Relationships • Sex
• Lives • Lifestyle
• Moral Vision • agenda
When we talk about heterosexuality, we talk about that wild range of activities, When
we talk about homosexuality, we focus on the sex part of it. This is not the only time we
get the sort of false contrast. I mean we say thing...we say heterosexual people ,we talk
about relationships, homosexual people ,we talk about sex; We say heterosexual
people have "lives" ,homosexual people have "lifestyles"。We say heterosexual people
have a "moral vision", homosexual people have an ‘agenda"。The words we use to talk
about these things really affect our way of thinking about them.
• I mean when we look to that, to the Christian Bible we find
some things that actually sound pretty negative with respect to
same sex relationships .The book of Leviticus says "Man shall
not lie with man, as with woman. It is an abomination onto
• Of course the book of Leviticus calls a number of other things
abomination that we don't tend to pay attention to quite as
often 。The Bible suggests that those who divorce and remarry
should be put to death. Why? Well, because the New
Testament defines divorce as adultery; The Old Testament
proscribes death for adultery. The Bible suggests that slavery is
• And i say Bible contends no error----what are you going to do with the
slavery passages? And you know what people say to me ?They say :"John,
you are pulling those passages out of context.“ "You can't just take
passages out of the Bible and quote them...""...as if they mean the same
things today as they did for the people of the time...""i mean you can't just
pull the passages out of context." And i say oh, wait a second! If it's not ok
to do that with the slavery passages, why is it ok to do that with the
• And there's a priest ,Father Prior, who wrote to the school paper, He's very
upset that i have been invited to give this lecture and he wrote this long
letter to the school paper. And in this letter to the school paper, one of the
things he said was "of course homosexuality is bad for society....""If
everyone were homosexual there'd be no society.“ "I’m gonna write to the
school paper to ...So i did, i wrote a open letter to Father Prior ,it said :"Dear
Father Prior...“ "if everyone were Roman Catholic priest there'd be no
Doesn’t Homosexuality cause AIDS?
• What about AIDS? Doesn't homosexuality cause
AIDS? Um.....NO. Virus causes AIDS. And virus
can be passed along by homosexual activity, by
heterosexual activity....by some activities that
are not sexual at all. And furthermore...ifr AIDS
risks were somehow supposed to be the
pyrometer of morality, Lesbians will be the most
moral people in the world. because on the
standpoint of AIDS risk, lesbian sex is the way to
go, i mean think about it, "Surgeon General
Recommends Lesbianism". OK，it's probably
not gonna happen but...
Animals don’t do that
There was a legislator when i lived in Texas, Warren
Chisum, he used to love this argument .He said:
“ Homosexuality is unnatural. Animals don‘t do that.
“ Since when did animals started providing us with our
moral standards...particularly in the area of sex？
I want to make you a promise...and I've made this
promise to hundreds of audiences, so I've got to follow
this whatever happens: if i ever encounter Warren
Chisum in public ,I'm gonna get down on the ground and
start humping his leg, just to drive home the point that
animals DO NOT provide us with our mental standard,
and even they did, well then homosexuality wouldn't be a
problem, because only do animals engage in
homosexual sex, some actually form homosexual pair
Why do Homosexuals Flaunt it?
• You know one of this discussion my mom said: "i just do
not understand why you have to be so open about your
sexuality.“ You father and i are not open about our
sexuality." i want you to think about that
sentence；”your ...father.. and ..i" "...are not open
about our sexuality.“ Not only is that person who uttered
that sentence openly-homosexual.
• she's open about having had sex, at least once.
Heterosexual people do this all the time, they talk about
their wives, their husbands, their boyfriends, their
girlfriends, people they have crushes on...perfectly
normal. we do the exact same thing----and we are
"flaunting" it. we're making an 'issue" out of it. And that's
a double standard ,and it's not fair.
The Solution: Get to Know Each Other
• I think a big part of the solution is for
straight people to actually get to know gay
and lesbian people because only then do
we come to realize we have many of the
same hopos and dreams,fears and
challenges as everyone else.
• I think the way gay and lesbian people are treated in our
society is wrong! Not just irrational, but morally
WRONG!I think there's something perverted. about the
fact that we HATE people---because of whom they love,
we do VIOLENCES against people---because of the
affection that exists in their lives. And the effects of that
treatment...are a far greater moral tragedy than sex
between consenting adults could ever be。I’m asking
you to put yourself i people's shoes before you judge
them, and I'm asking you to judge people...not on whom
they love, but on WHETHER they love. That’s my moral
vision, That’s my” agenda".
And i thank you for listening so patiently to
me tonight, You’ve been a great audience.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH