STATE BOARD OF PLUMBING
DATE: January 21, 2010
TIME: 11:05 a.m.
PLACE: 500 North Calvert Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21202
PRESENT: Charles J. Morgan, Jr., Chair
Jon Garner, Board Member
Russell Wiebking, Board Member
Charles Lenderking, Board Member
Michael Kastner, Board Member
Keith Horton, Board Member
ABSENT: Nicole J.C. Daniels, Board Member
Joseph Radtka, Board Member
OTHERS PRESENT: Sloane Fried Kinstler, Assistant Attorney General
Helen Johnson, Assistant Executive Director, MHIC
Brenda Clark, Administrative Officer
Diane Kastner, Member of the public
Jim Berndt, Member of the public
Jacques Remmell, Eastern Shore Gas Company
Mike Schneider, Pemberton Appliance Company Inc.
William Funks, Cecil County Inspector
J.M. Guido, Maryland Pipe Trades
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Morgan called the Business Meeting of the State Board of Plumbing to Order at 11:05
Upon Mr. Radtka’s Motion, and Mr. Lenderking’s Second, the Board unanimously voted to enter
into Executive Session at 10:45 a.m. in the 3rd Floor Conference Room, 500 North Calvert Street,
Baltimore, Maryland 21202, in order to consult with the Board’s Counsel regarding license
applications. Upon completion of this session, the Board convened to the public meeting at
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Members reviewed the minutes of the Business Meeting and Executive Session held on
December 17, 2009. Upon Mr. Kastner’s Motion, and Mr. Garner’s second, the Board
unanimously voted to approve the Minutes of the Business Meeting and the Executive Session as
COMPLAINT COMMITTEE REPORT:
Plum 100033 Plum 100034 Plum 100035
Upon Mr. Kastner’s Motion, and Mr. Garner’s second, the Board unanimously voted to approve
the complaint committee report.
A. REVIEW OF THE TEST BANK OF QUESTIONS
Mr. Lenderking shared with the Board his concern over the failure rate for the Journey
plumber/gas fitter examination and suggested that the Board consider completing the review of
the test bank of questions with PSI, the testing vendor. Mr. Lenderking expressed the
importance of confirming that the questions are appropriate and legitimate. The Board also
discussed the possibility of PSI performing a survey to inquire as to how many applicants have
been to an accredited program and received former apprenticeship training. The Board requested
Mrs. Clark to update Mr. Smitson, Assistant Commissioner, regarding the Board’s request for his
assistance in contacting PSI to schedule the review of the test bank of questions and to inquire
about the survey.
A. PROPANE LICENSING- PROPANE AND NATURAL GAS SYSTEMS
Mr. Lenderking discussed with the Board propane gas certificates, informing the Board that local
jurisdictions are now enforcing gas licensing and individuals in the gas business are inquiring as
to the scope of their license. Mr. Lenderking informed the Board that the requirements for the
Master Natural Gas examination had no prior consideration for the merging of propane and
natural gas and inquired as to what would be acceptable qualifications’ to sit for the Master
Natural Gas Fitter examination by an individual who currently holds a propane gasfitter
certificate, providing propane gas services.
Mr. Mike Schneider, Pemberton Appliance Company Inc., attended the business meeting to
explain to the Board that he has held a propane gas fitter certificate since 1996 and would like to
be eligible to sit for the master natural gas fitter examination; he explained that the way the
requirements are written makes him ineligible.
Upon review of the statutory requirements in Section § 12-302, Qualifications of Applicants for
Licenses and Certificates, Ms. Kinstler informed that Board that the language would have to be
amended to allow a provision for an applicant holding a propane gas fitter certificate, providing
propane services to be deemed eligible to sit for the master natural gas fitter examination, Ms.
Kinstler further explained that this would require a legislative change. Upon further review,
while comparing the statutory requirements in Section § 12-302 and the requirements listed on
the website, it was determined that the requirements listed on our website has some discrepancies
and would require updating. Upon the Board’s discussion, the Board agreed that Mr. Smitson
should be involved in this discussion and agreed to table this topic until the February business
B. PROPANE LICENSING CERTIFICATES INSURED OR NOT INSURED
Mr. Lenderking discussed with the Board the possibility of the propane licensing certificate
reading “Insured” or “Not Insured”, as the Master plumber gasfitter license does. Mr. Horton
explained to the Board that the insurance information is verified before a permit is issued; the
permit’s office verifies that the license is insured to work and is current.
REVIEW OF THE PSI EXAMINATION STATISTICAL SUMMARY INFORMATION
FOR DECEMBER 2009
Plumber Candidates Tested Passed Failed Pass %
Journey Natural Gas Fitter 1 1 0 100%
Journey Plumber/Gas Fitter 32 8 24 25%
Master Natural Gas Fitter 2 2 0 100%
Master Plumber/Gas Fitter 9 5 4 56%
A. CORRESPONDENCE FROM MR. JAMES THOMPSON
The Board reviewed e-mail correspondence from Mr. James Thompson. Mr. Thompson is
requesting information regarding the code for water systems in condo units that also heat the
home, inquiring as to if there is a new code requiring an expansion unit. Upon the Board’s
review, it was determined that Mr. Thomas will require an expansion unit and a Master Plumber.
Ms. Clark will notify Mr. Thompson of the Board’s response.
B. CORRESPONDENCE FROM MR. SKY BASKI
The Board reviewed email correspondence from Mr. Sky Baski informing the Board that he
holds licenses from Missouri, Illinois, Iowa and Kansas; he is requesting the Board’s
consideration to reciprocate one of his licenses to Maryland. Upon the Board’s review, it was
determined that the Board could not accommodate his request, Maryland does not have a
reciprocal agreement with those States and Mr. Baski will have to sit for the examination. Mrs.
Clark will notify Mr. Baski of the Board’s decision.
APPROVAL OF DECISIONS MADE DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION:
Upon Mr. Lenderking’s Motion, and Mr. Kastner’s second, the Board unanimously voted to
approve the decisions made during Executive Session.
A Motion was made by Mr. Garner, Lenderking by Mr. Lenderking and unanimously carried by
the Board to adjourn the meeting at 12:30 p.m.
Charles J. Morgan, Jr., Chairman
__________ Without Corrections
__________ With Corrections