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Really Big Balloons
Joe Van Ryzin
Makai Ocean Engineering, Inc.
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Basic Forces
Fresh water
buoyancy: 300 k tons
Drag
Veloc tons
10 cm/s 30 max current
268 m dia 1 kt 540 tow
2 kt 2160 tow
5 kt 13500 tow
Volume: 10 megaton
10 x 10^6 cu m
Area: 226,000 sq m
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Problem with Buoyancy #1:
Anchoring: Provide 300k tons weight or hold-down
Steel: 375 mill $
Lead 396 mill $
Concrete 53 mill $
Salt 5 mill $
(plus transport - however all have to be transported and all ~ same weight)
Tie into bottom: 20-60 mill $ - maybe - a guess
problem: 5000m!
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Problem with Buoyancy #2:
Structural Loads.
Due to pressure, have inside pressure at ~ 1 atm
(assuming a teardrop baloon, 230m dia and 320m high)
50 kN/cm
50 kN/cm
Material: similar to Amsteel blue, UHMW PE, greater tensile load than steel in cable
Estm price: $.33/kN-m in standard ropes - assume $.25
Low cost per tensile load for exotic materials
Thick: 3.81 cm
Estm fabric cost: $2500/sq M $565 million total
If steel: 2.5 cm 6780 cu m estm
52,206 tons
20% fresh water buoyancy
417.648 $ million $8/kg assumed
Makai Ocean Engineering $15/kg finished ship
Towed steel structure?
• Steel structure pre-fabricated in modules
• Assembled in deep water
• Filled with special water – offsets weight of
steel. Not fresh.
• Tow to site and submerge.
• Expensive – and forced to transport you
water to the site in an inefficient structure
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Towing
Can the inflated sphere be towed?
Cost per 1000 km one-way tow
Towing: for Tugs at Cost at Tug Return Total Tow
speed 1000 km Pull 200 t ea $700/T-day 12 kt per
kts days tons # $ million 1000 km
1 22.5 540 2.7 8.5 0.7 9.2 unsafe
2 11.2 2162 10.8 17.0 2.8 19.8
5 4.5 13517 67.6 42.6 17.7 60.3
1.87 days
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Fresh Water Problems
• Anchoring is expensive
• Must deliver weight (in either anchor, salt or
whatever) anyway
• Buoyancy within sphere, because of diameter, is
a significant structural problem for fabric balloon.
• Any leak – serious problem
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Alt: deliver special salt and fresh
water
• Reduce balloon costs by perhaps 90%, keep
buoyancy to 0.1% of that of fresh water (300
tons, more then enough).
• Deploy concrete-weighted balloon just slightly
negative – use fresh water to offset anchors.
• Deliver to site: special salt.
• Produce fresh water at site with RO
• Pump mixed solution to bottom through long
HDPE pipeline.
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Mini OTEC
• First Hawaii
deep water
pipeline
• HDPE
• Flexible
mooring and
intake pipe
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Delivering Fresh Water
Producing and Pumping Water:
Pipe Dia days to RO Cap $
inch kT/day fill million $
20 56 178 39
30 162 60 113 2000 hp
40 340 30 238
50 615 16 431
$700/cm/d
5 km long HDPE pipe assumed. 30” pipe reusable – estm $10m
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Deliver Salt to Site
Produce Water and deliver salt to the site:
Deliver 300 k tons salt
Produce 10 million cu meters of fresh water on site
60 days of pumping
Ship Bulk Carrier Initial water cost Salt Cost
Transport size transport standby $3/cu m Total
Trips k tons $ mill $ mill $ mill $ mill $ mill
1 300 4.5 9 30 5 48.5
2 150 4.5 4.5 30 5 44
4 70 4.2 2.1 30 5 41.3
6 50 4.5 1.5 30 5 41
$15/ton trans pacific bulk transport
$0.5/ton-day
assume works 25% of the time.
John Learned $
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Prelim conclusions
• Fresh-water filled not a good idea
• steel structure: no cost advantage and have serious
deployment issues.
• Need to transport water in any case: cheaper to make
on site
• Fabric balloons are workable structure.
• Fabric balloon deployed empty, deliver salt and produce
fresh water at site to fill balloon over several trips.
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Prelim wild guess
• Fabric balloon: $56 million
• Anchoring: $5 million
• Salt and water delivery: $42 million
• General deployment: $15 million
• Total: $118 million??
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