Winchester Local Children’s Partnership
Notes from Meeting held on 21 September 2011
Romsey Room, EII Court
HCC Offices, Winchester
Attendees: Louise Chapman – Twyford St Mary CE Primary School
Jean Humphrey – Wessex Youth Offending Team
Lorraine Ronan – Winchester City Council
Julie Amies – Senior Sports Officer, HCC (Chair)
Paul Williams – Winchester Area Community Action
Sally Humphries – 14 to 19 Consortium Director
Paul Nicholson – The Westgate School
Debra Crook – Behaviour Support Team Leader, Childrens Services
David Harvey – Area Strategic Manager (Alt Ed), Childrens Services
Helen Dove – Service Manager, Sussex Partnership NHS Foundation
Clare Beswick – Micheldever CE Primary School
Apologies: Matthew Haynes, Debbie Dean, Neil Hopkins, Sam Severe, Lin
1. JA Welcomed the group.
2. Minutes of last meeting and matters arsing
Minutes of last meeting agreed.
Matters arising: Agreed
Julie Amies and Jane Samsome have met with Helen Dove and the
CAMHS team on 20 July 2011.
Children’s centres – tender might be delayed now until October.
Funding Applications – Podium Project by Peter Symonds
progressing. Looking to work with primary schools – Cherelle Parnell
will provide an update at our next meeting.
Delivery Plan – has been updated and loaded onto the Children’s
Services website. There is a need to keep it up to date.
3. Overview of Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services
JA gave an overview of the background to this item. Mental health
issues of young people is a priority for the Partnership but
information on available services was absent. JA and JS met with
Helen Dove of CAMHS and Caroline Hobbs from Children’s Services.
It transpired that a comprehensive excel document exists of all the
different services in Hampshire (‘Services Supporting Children and
Young People with Emotional, Social and Mental Health Needs
(Western Hampshire). This document will need updating as some of
the information is very out of date.
Helen Dove then gave an update on the re-organisation of CAMHS.
Prior to 1st April, it was offered by 5 different providers. Now
Hampshire will come under one provider – Sussex Health Trust.
There will be lots of change and lots of work to do. The first
consultation on management and locality is just being finalised.
Since these changes have happened, Children’s Services boundaries
have also changed.
North – Basingstoke, Aldershot, Andover and Test Valley
West – Winchester, Eastleigh, Eastleigh Southern Parishes
South East – Havant, Fareham, Gosport
At the end of October the second consultation on equality and skills
will take place.
There will be a change in referral format and the referral criteria will
also change (forms will be developed).
Helen offered to forward a copy of the new document to everyone Helen
once it has been approved. Dove
JA commented that perhaps it would be good to link the referral
process to the above mentioned document. However, one size does
not necessarily fit all. It is just as important to have details of the
relevant Service Manager contact, if in doubt.
It was felt that there was a need for practical support for Head
Teachers and teachers dealing with children while the referral was
taking place to ensure that it is a good process for all involved,
especially the child.
Helen felt that it would be good to deliver awareness training. There Debra
is Emotional First Aid training available for School staff dealing with Crook
children with emotional problems. Debra Crook volunteered to find
out more details.
The following was agreed:
1) A need for awareness of services that are available out there –
who to go to etc.
2) Training needed for staff dealing with children on a day to day
3) Enough provision to deal with situations at varying degrees.
4. Provision for children and young people with emotional, social
and mental health needs
JA gave out a document for ‘Services Supporting Children and Young
People with Emotional, Social and Mental Health Needs (Western
Hampshire)’. The information was originally provided for GP’s and
put together by Karen Clarke in corporate communications.
Jean Humphrey asked if this document could be emailed out to Julie
everyone in the group. Amies
It was felt that most of the LCP’s are not aware of the document for Julie
‘Services Supporting Children and Young People with Emotional, Amies
Social and Mental Health Needs (Western Hampshire)’ and Julie will
raise awareness amongst other LCP’s.
There are many services listed in the document, but are their details
up to date? There may be a need to keep all contacts in the
document as some children live in a different area to where they go
to school and therefore will need to access support in more than one
A lot of the details were aimed at Secondary School age and above.
It was felt that there would be a need to include details of services
below that age group given the increase in exclusions at Primary
It was suggested that a link to this document be put on the schools
websites, then parents will have access to the main document for
information. As public information is contained within the document,
then there shouldn’t be a problem.
Post meeting – JA rasied this at the Children’s Trust Board. Steve
Crocker will ask CAHMS to update the document and for it to be sent
to all LCP’s.
There is also the EXIT directory, which is a more public facing
document through extended services.
In addition, there is a presentation on 5th October 2011in Ashburton Julie
Hall to advise everyone about the Tier 3 CAMHS model, delivered by Amies
the Strategy & Commissioning Team. Julie Amies will circulate the
details of the meeting to everyone.
The question was asked, that as an LCP, do we want to commission Helen
training. It was felt that the Emotional First Aid course would be a Dove
good idea for school staff. Helen Dove will provide details of the cost
and course content.
Discussion then took place about the point at which items are Julie
escalated to the Health and Wellbeing Board and around the links Amies
with the Clinical Commissioning Groups. JA to raise at the Children’s
Post meeting – JA raised at the Children’s Trust Board. The clinical
commissioner advised that LCP’s should raise needs at their local
Clinical Commissioning Group and in the Joint needs strategic
A decision was made to re-visit all the above at either the January or Helen
March meeting once we know the full set of CAMHS services. Helen Dove
offered to attend to give an update.
5. Therapeutic Early Intervention Support for Primary Age Pupils
in the Winchester District
Debra Crook, Louise Chapman and Julie Amies met to work up some
Looking towards extending intervention support in Primary Schools.
DC had had a therapist in Basingstoke who worked with the child, the
family and the school. But there is no therapist available in
Winchester. This service worked well in Basingstoke. Evaluations
were very positive and successful. The benefit to the school is good
as interfacing with teachers and other agencies, as well as the child
and the parents. All very calming. In some cases, it negated the
need for CAMHS. If this was in place, then it may be possible to stop
the flow of problems into the secondary schools as the problems are
caught and supported early.
Given that the number of exclusions in primary schools is rising and
schools are finding it difficult to meet the needs of some vulnerable
young children with existing resources, a project to develop a
resource to support the pupils, their families and the staff in school
will be developed.
Helen Dove talked about ‘Mindfulness’ and its use in schools – it uses
Buddhist and meditating techniques and has been used with children
as young as 5 years. It builds on self-coping techniques.
It was agreed to move this forward by setting up a task and finish
group and will include Louise Chapman, Debra Crook and Claire
Beswick. A SENCO would also be helpful and colleagues will help
The task and finish group will:
Look at the appropriate type of help
Evaluate the project
It is hoped to start the project in January 2012. Crook
JA to circulate the Youth Crime Prevention Quarterly Report Julie
Coincidentally, Eastleigh are using a Play Therapist in the
Eastleigh/Winchester area, which appears to be successful, using the
CAMHS playroom. No-one had any contact details but could be
through InTouch and Chris Parsons.
Post meeting – JA has discussed with Jon Le Fevre, Headteacher at
Netley Abbey Infant School who is using a combination of a play and
drama therapist with excellent results. The T and F group can use
this practice when considering their project.
6. Integrated Youth Services Statement of Intent
PW recapped on the process so far.
Every LCP had to put in a Statement of Intent, which included a
budget plan and how the money would be spent. Winchester LCP
budget will be £73,773 for the financial year 11/12.
A meeting was arranged to discuss priorities with 12 organisations
across the spectrum of the voluntary sector. It helped to consolidate
priorities and brought together 75 – 80% of the voluntary
organisations. Priorities were mental health counselling and support
services, NEETS and LGBs.
Each partnership will have its own priorities – unsure at present how
the commissioning will work, as Hampshire holds the budget.
Waiting for feedback on the process. It will probably be one year
funding initially and the voluntary sector will be able to pitch for
‘contracts’. There are issues over the commitment only being for 1
year, as 1 year is not enough time to get a project off the ground,
but it does give the opportunity to fill gaps in provision.
A further update can be provided at the next meeting when more
information should be known.
Post meeting – JA has received the ‘lots’ of services that will be put
out to the voluntary sector for checking and signing off. This had to
be done in less that 4 days, an indication to the very tight timescales
surrounding this work.
Sally Humphries explained what GirlsCan was about. It is an
organisation that promotes achievement of 14+ girls, who are
struggling. Information went out to schools and colleges over the
summer. The scheme received £10K from Hampshire so wanted to
set up a pilot to help girls with self-esteem problems in the age group
14 – 19 years. If it is successful, then plan is to extend it to primary
Post meeting – PW has made some furher enquireies with the VS. At
the last WYPAG meeting you spoke about a programme of activities
designed for girls that I think you were planning with Streetreach?
Do you think that this is something that could be scaled up and rolled
out to other areas? Winchester 14-19 Partnership is looking to
develop such a programme with http://www.girlscan.co.uk/ which is
part of http://www.ignite-leadership.org/ - I think it would be even
better if we could do something locally and keep the funding and
resources to build capacity in the District.
8. Progress for Success update
Hampshire gave money to work with NEETS. The funding came after
the schools had left for the summer, at short notice and with a tight
turnaround, which was difficult.
A summer programme was put together, working with the YMCA and
included counselling, CV writing and work based workshops. It was
hoped to draw between 40 and 50 people but only 8 attended the
Feedback from the schools was that the lack of attendance was due
to young people having already sorted out placements for
The YMCA are working to roll out successions to this pilot. They are
trying to find out who the NEETS are in the area in order to target
them. This group are at greater risk this year as Connexions is
closing and locating NEETS might be much more challenging as a
It was felt that the summer was not the right time of year for
contacting this group of young people, as it really needs to be now.
The problem is funding and trying to find pots of money to tap into.
It was also felt that it was important to capture post 16 year olds
who drop out in October or January (1 term or 2 terms at college),
rather than post year 11.
Another problem is evidencing that there is a need. We know there
are NEETS but our area has 0% NEETS, so it would appear that our 3
secondary schools are already buying in solutions (however, mostly
provided by Connexions, which will disappear).
Lorraine Ronan – it would be really helpful if changes in staff in
different organisations could be advised to the group, but it was felt
that it would be more helpful to circulate new structures as they are
David Harvey- wont be able to attend every meeting, but very
supportive of the work the group is doing. As DC works in his team,
then she will be able to feedback.
10. Dates of future meetings
Tuesday 22 November 2011 a.m. at Westgate School
Thursday 26 January 2012 a.m.
Tuesday 6 March 2012 a.m.
Wednesday 9 May 2012 a.m.
Tuesday 3 July 2012 a.m.
Venues TBC – any offers of locations to be forwarded to JA