dwpexamination forum now available at
Rumor has it that the DWP use retired or semi retired hasbeensDoctors
from any section of medicine they can find, when they cant manage
that they trawl for the dregs of Europe and the eastern world. This
makes matters worse, as the European, Asian, oriental (other) Doctors
(who may have English as their second language) who wont cant find
employment in their own country (strangely) have difficulty in
communicating with claimants particularly where local dialects are
broad and thus may be misunderstood by the alleged Doctor.
Presumably the reason for the DWP /ATOS Healthcares‟ inability to
recruit outside of the range of retired/foreign „Doctors‟ is that any self
respecting good Doctor would not touch the DWP with a ten foot barge
pole and risk damage to their credibility so early in their career.
However, once past the NHS training stage, many „Doctors‟ work
within the NHS, then gravitate either to specialising or private practice,
from which they retire early with a lump sum and pension. It is no
surprise then that the DWP tempt the most narcissistic of these with
the prospect of £1,500 per week, on top of their pensions, with
protection for prosecution from malpractice and a position of extreme
One must ask the question, “are they really Doctors”. When I say this I
mean if a Doctor has specialised in, lets say neurology and has spent
the majority of his career treating neurological problems, is he
considered capable of examining claimants with many differing
ailments and disability? I suppose what I am trying to say is if a
neurologist had a claimant in front of him /her with, lets say severe
psychiatric issues, would he be sufficiently experienced and qualified to
comment on the precise current state of their mental health with
sufficiently acurate information in his/her report to the decision maker,
so they could make an appropriate decision?
What happens if a claimant, in trying to make him/herself understood
to a foreign Doctor is accused of racism?
Worse still, what if the Doctor is not capable of making him/herself
understood when interrogating the claimant? The list is endless.
My (alleged) contact in the DWP says all DWP (ATOS Healthcare)
Doctors undergo training in the methods to be used during an
DWP ‟examination‟ and in the interest of fairness and academic
accuracy all claimants are asked exactly the same set of questions,
although the order will vary as will the number of, and questions used
with each particular ailment or disability. Let me give you an example.
If Mr A is asked questions relating to his Asthma, Panic attacks and
Lower back pain.
Then Mr B is asked questions on his Anxiety attacks, Asthma and
Both men will be asked different questions on two of the above
conditions (as they differ), but, should be asked exactly the same set
of questions in relation to asthma (which they both have).
The DWP gamble on us (the disabled) being so shocked and frightened
by the whole process of the interrogation ‟examination‟, and know we
will leave their premises as quickly as possible and are unlikely ever
to meet other victims claimants or discus our examinations in public!
I would like to build up a data base of questions asked
by DWP lackeys alleged „Healthcare Professionals‟ to see if this is the
case? as I am not 100% convinced we are all being asked the same
questions. I am also interested in finding out if my suspicions relating
to retired and foreign Doctors are well founded?
UPDATE: Why not try to check out your alleged Doctors credentials on
the Internet? you will find their name on the medical report which you
can obtain from the office dealing with your claim. By the way, they
can not refuse to give you a copy. I checked mine out, and sure
enough, there it was, plain as day. I even got information on my
alleged „Doctors‟ background.
I‟ll be back
Had ESA medical waiting spinal fusion operation (now had it ) HCP was a ―doctor‖ Hermann…
Never worked in this country and only registered with GMC in jan 2008 Guess what …ZERO points
Had medical for ind inj benefit this time ―doctor Bullock qualified in 1959! my surgeon said ―why on earth
is any doctor working at his age ‖ !
Surgeon estimated this Atos HCP must be 72+ years old !
They dont give A TOS oops did i put a space in there ?
Comment by darrel — March 2, 2010 @ 2:44 am
Need I say more, the dregs of Europe and a hasbeen, hard lines my friend I hope you are appealing.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2010 @ 8:14 am
Oh You bet i am ,got my ESA appeal on 30th april,took them 31 weeks to
assess me so i asked if they had a typo when they say you will be in the
assessment phase for 13 weeks …they didnt even reply . got some brilliant
evidence from my medical records and surgeon but it seems as far as any
benefit claim is concerened even if you showed them a smoking gun they still
just tell you you can appeal if you dont agree !
I complained to ATOS about medical and they just send out rubbish replys
that dont address the issues in your complaint it is just a PR exercise for
them and they just whitewash over your complaint.
The GMC dont want to get involved either unless you have been medicaly
damaged by a doctor so basically theres no way to get the ATOS doctors
ethics looked into or to question his integrity as a supposed ―independant‖
Comment by darrel — March 2, 2010 @ 9:02 am
Can you do me a favour and provide the address for complaimts to ATOS, maybe we can all complain and
then compare answers? that would be interesting as they are all likely to be the same. I wish you luck with
the appeal, be honest, come over as a credible witness and I am sure you will do alright. Please let us know
the outcome, Its always noce to see justice done.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2010 @ 3:31 pm
Had my appeal on 16th april didnt even have to go …they rang me on the morning of my appeal and told me
the appeal was allowed …I had won and they gave me 15 points for not being able to bend/squat.
to be honest i feel a bit let down as i had loads of med evidence ,i had also recieved the Atos 1st tier
complaint investigation which found Dr Hermann had not carried out the medical properly and they also
noted he had a higher than was normal complaints against him !
of course buggerall will done about him although they say he has been reported to the Atos medical manager
but they wont tell me what happens about this Polish QUACK.
Oh well now its on with my DLA appeal and my Industrial Injuries Compensation appeal,
It really makes you feel good that the DWP are there for you when you are in medical need after paying into
the system for 33 years!
Comment by darrel — April 26, 2010 @ 11:46 pm
Well done, I am always pleased to hear that some of us are winning. Its interesting to note that you recieved
a call telling you not to turn up? Does this mean that the Tribunals are now so over burdened that they are
making decisions ―off plan‖? You sound as though you were well prepared too, this is essential in appeals,
its also worthwhile being equally prepared on the day of your medical as they will ask if there is anything
you want to ask them or add at the end. Thats when you get the opportunity to show your evidence, so its
well worth taking what you have with you. When you say you recieved the 1st tier complaint investigation,
did they send you a full report on thier findings? I am interested as I have heard of ―Doctors‖ behaving
strangely during ―examinations‖ and wondered what people are doing about it when they feel thay have
been mistreated? Also you are at liberty to check out the ―Doctors‖ you see on the GMC web site, where
information on thier current status is freely available. You can also complain via this site too.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 27, 2010 @ 6:30 am
Yes the Atos 1st tier complaint convenor sent the full two part report they partially upheld my complaint on
the handling of my complaint (they sent me letters stating that my complaint had been investigated by an
―independant‖ HA! doctor when in actual fact the 1st tier found they had not and they miss represented what
the ―independant‖ doctor had said .
The other part was on the actual medical and they could not understand how DR Hermann could say i had a
problem sitting but then say i had no problems bending/squating,also they found he did not justify any of his
statements regarding my capabilities and when he said a return to work within 3 months is expected they
said this was not reasoned at all considering DR Hermann had reported i told him i had appointment for my
spinal fusion operation and the recovery time expected after op was 6 to 12 months!
Funny thing is i won the tribunal without the tribunal having seen this report as i got it the day before the
the GMC is a waste of time as they only investigate if you can prove the doctor caused you hurt or damage
during the medical ,they are not interested in wether or not he carried it out properly or ethicaly.
If anyone else has one of these SHAM medicals ALWAYS put in your complaint to ATOS and the GMC
anyway as the more complaints they recieve the more likely they cannot ignore whats happening with this
despicable company ATOS taking OUR money to carry (your tax and NI )out this fraud against us when we
in fact are genuine and in need of help .
Comment by darrel — April 27, 2010 @ 10:34 am
Its nice to see that someone has had justice.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 28, 2010 @ 6:56 am
It cant be a coincidence,everybody seems to have the same poor opinion of atos.I took a refferal letter about
aspergers and they ignored it
Comment by troutmask — May 20, 2010 @ 2:32 pm
If you have aspergers and it has been diagnosed you probably shouldnt have been called in for a medical,
isnt this in the rules somewhere? Challenge this in your letter to ATOS.
Comment by dwpexamination — May 21, 2010 @ 6:33 am
A lot of people have problems understanding accents, mine, listed as easiest to understand first, are London
(cockney), Scottish (the broad dialects) and Liverpudlian (scousers) but as for foreign accents then Indian or
Asian are my worst 2 and these areas are were ATOS will pick up a doctor from when they need someone
and I bet few if any are registered with the GMC
Comment by Dean — May 22, 2010 @ 12:36 am
Need I say more?
Comment by dwpexamination — May 23, 2010 @ 9:03 am
Regarding the use of retired or semi-retired doctors, you might find this link from the BMA interesting (if
you have not already seen it).
I‘m not sure of the exact date of this but it is after September 2005.
Under section 5: Advice to Members, I quote: ‗The Association recognises that this work can provide an
important source of income for doctors in portfolio careers and doctors who are partly retired‘.
So it seems ‗partly retired‘ doctors do work for ATOS.
I do know that at one of my PCA ‗examinations‘ a few years ago, I was assessed by a doctor who told me
that he was a retired GP and did the work for the extra cash. This was when, I believe, the service was
carried out by Schlumberger-sema (subsequently aquired by Atos Origin), personally i would assume the
practice hasn‘t changed, but that‘s only an assumption.
Slightly off topic, (but you‘ve mentioned this before vide complaining to the BMA), if you look at Section
4: Vexatious Complaints, it seems to me you get an idea of how the BMA, as trade union for its members,
views benefit claimants who compalin or appeal against decisions their members have made. They bemoan
what they see as a ‗compaints culture‘, and say: ‗Doctors providing medical services to the DWP are
frequently subject to what may be considered ‗vexatious‘ complaints, following consultations where the
doctor has provided a professional opinion which has financial implications for the patient. As a result,
doctors may feel vulnerable and be increasingly reluctant to undertake this essential area of work‘.
Extraordinary attitude really. The so called ‗financial implications‘ for the patient is the loss of benefit with
all of the attendant stress and anguish, and potential hardship that that entails, and this is no trivial matter!
Appealing or calling into question such a crucially important decision is a right when somoeone believes the
doctor has NOT been factually accurate, or professional and so on.
The BMA should be more concerned about the ridiculous LiMA system, amongst other things!
The fact that they see people who complain as being ‗vexatious‘ speaks volumes for their attitude towards
benefit claimants, they are more concerned that their members get their share of the pie in terms of financial
Sorry, bit off topic. I only found your great site yesterday and would like to say what a terrific service and
resource it is!
Comment by Vic — June 2, 2010 @ 10:00 am
I read that on the BMA site also when researching Atos complaints …the BMA have nothing to do with
Atos as Atos only use GMC registered doctors,in fact the BMA are not happy with the Atos contracts with
the doctors they employ .Dont expect ANY help from GMC and BMA as they will only get involved if you
can prove you have been injured by an Atos doctor or you can prove the doctor acted unethically… coming
to a conclusion that is against all your other medical evidence and at odds with your own
doctor/surgeon/Physio does not seem to be unethical in the GMC‘s eyes .ITS DOWN TO US TO KEEP
COMPLAINING AND MAKING OUR VOICES HEARD WHEN THIS FRAUD BY ATOS IS BEING
CARRIED OUT EVERY DAY.
Rant over cheers.
Comment by darrel — June 2, 2010 @ 9:08 pm
Thanks for that ―V‖, I wonder if the BMA take the same view of what I would term ―vexatious decisions‖
by ―Doctors‖ who are more concerned about thier financial reward for doing so? Is this not the same as the
―Vexatious complaint‖/ Also tarring everyone with the ―Vexatious complaint‖ brush without full
investigation sends all the wrong messages to those wishing to make a complaint in the first place, thus
reducing the liklihood of this happening‖ Its a vicious circle and thanks for bringing that to our attention.
Comment by dwpexamination — June 3, 2010 @ 7:16 am
Youre welcome and youre right, Nuff said.
Comment by dwpexamination — June 3, 2010 @ 7:17 am
I would like to pick your brains.
I have my medical soon with Atos soon, and I am worried sick.
I have had 3 discectomies. In 1992, 2006 and 2009. Some days I am ok, but most days
I even struggle to go to the bathroom or even get out of bed.
I am concerned that when I see the Atos Doctor, that he will say I am ok, as I know
people who suffer with back problems have a difficult time.
I have spoken to so many incompetent people regarding my problems, and even though
I know they are only doing their job – it makes me mad that I have worked since I was 15,
and I could do a better job than many of the people I talk to!
Any assistance you have regarding my meeting, would be very much appreciated.
Dawn Goodson (age 44)
Comment by Dawn — June 16, 2010 @ 11:00 am
First thing assuming you are well enough to travel to the assessment centre is to make sure you take
someone with you to witness the medical.
ALLWAYS remember they are watching you from the moment you arrive in the car park(no i am not being
If you have to wait for your appointment and you need to sit try and choose one of the high back chairs with
arms and if like me you cant sit for long due to the pain then get up and stand if you have to.
The HCP (health care professional) will watch how you get out of the chair and walk to the assessment
Again REMEMBER allways answer the questions on your capabilities on you BAD days and dont mention
the few good days you may have ,if you say sometimes i can walk to the shop 50 yards away from my front
door the HCP will record ―Goes shopping regularly‖ Always tell the truth but remember ONLY answer how
you are on your bad days .
If you have difficulty carrying out a task they ask you about DO NOT TRY TO CARRY OUT THE TASK
(ie bend forward) Even if you can only do this once and then spend the rest of the day in agony if you
attempt to bend at the assessment the HCP will say you bent to the knees with no problems !
If ANYTHING the HCP asks you to do causes you pain TELL THEM dont hold it in and dont do it if it
I have had two medicals and they use the same old tricks so dont be fooled by the HCP they are there to get
you off benefits you are entitled to claim.
Take your medical evidence with you (scans ,surgeons letters ,doctors letters) the HCP will probably not
bother looking at it but tell him you have brought it along and if you have to later appeal you can tell the
tribunal the HCP had your records but ignored medical evidence.
Bit long winded but if you have more questions and i can help just email me .
Comment by darrel — June 16, 2010 @ 6:40 pm
ATOS………. the mere mention oif their name gives me a near heart attack! Thanks to them not sending an
appointment letter, I have now got to appeal for the reinstatement of my Incapacity Benefits. I am having to
make phone calls everyday in order to get answers and get stonewalled at every turn from these
people……THEY DO NOT CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE!
I had to telephone them to ask when my appointment had been rearranged for, the previosu one being
cancelled buy me due a tooth extraction under general anaesthesia. I was informed that I was due at the
medical centre in ten minutes………. some 16 miles from my house…….told them that it was impossible
for me to attend at such short notice, explained that no appointment letter had arrived through the post, and
the onus has now been placed on me to prove it had not arrived……….so now left with no income having to
rely on the generousity of my family to sget me through each day and my mental health has taken a nose
dive again thanks to this lot………..the sooner they are sacked the better.
Comment by christine dickinson — June 17, 2010 @ 3:48 pm
As I always say, take someone with you, ask them to take notes, the cardboard cut out wont like it but it is
your right to do so. Next take a look at the assessing ATOS page, there is an assessment sheet which you can
print off to help you remember your ―examination‖, there is also a contact form which I urge you to print off
and keep near the phone, when you are talking to anyone from the DWP or ATOS take thier contact details
name etc, make a note of the time of the call, its all on the top of the sheet and tell them you are taking notes.
Once you have completed the examination ask the ―Doctor‖ if you can go through what he/she has written,
they will refuse and tell you , you can get a copy of the report from your local JC+. This is true, your report
will be emailed the same day, it will be in the in tray of the local JC+ within hours of your examination. Call
them the following day and ask for a copy of your report, you will have to be persistant as they will try to
put you off, but stay with it, again its your right to have a copy of the report. If you pass the ―Examination‖
and your benefits are suspended go direvtly to your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer and seek thier
assistance in appealing. Also contact the local CAB, you will find it may take some time to get to see
someone and you must only work with one organisation. They will appoint a representative who will help
you as far as they can. Good luck and keep us posted.
Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:43 pm
Take notes too.
Comment by dwpexamination — June 17, 2010 @ 5:46 pm
The government has decided that working is essential to well being and assumes this is the same for the
entire unemployed population including disabled people and also those with terminal and life threatening
illnesses, unfortunately in my case it would be the complete opposite as I would spend every waking hour
working with any free time taken up with doing normal household chores, coupled with the fact that my
illness is not survivable so therefore I cannot get a loan, mortgage, save for the future or have any long term
goals I would spend what little of my life I have left working and exhausted with no free time, I am never
going to retire (government can save a few quid) to be honest and very blunt death would be a merciful
I did not chose to become ill and disabled why are genuinely disabled and very ill people being targeted and
denied what little dignity they have left by the DWP.
Comment by Matt Winter — July 2, 2010 @ 7:16 pm
Cant wait to be found fit for work
Comment by Matt Winter — July 2, 2010 @ 7:18 pm
Check out our new forum at http://dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where you will be able to read about
others in similar situations and what they did to fight back. There are loads of disabled people in the same
position, its time to unite and defend our rights to benefits before they are completely taken away.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 3, 2010 @ 12:31 am
Here I am again!
Atos have yet again changed my appointment!
I feel like not going. It is obvious from all that I have read, that they are going to fail
me anyway – so why put myself through all of this?
I am very fed up and frustrated.
I keep trying to arrange a break with some friends. And every time I do – Atos change my appointment.
I dont want to tell them that I want a break – as they will tell me that if I am fit enough
to go on a break etc……….
The whole episode is getting me down
Comment by goody — July 21, 2010 @ 9:33 pm
Goody you are allowed by law to have a break of at least two weeks without being penalised for it………….
tell them it is beneficial to your long term mental and physical well being that you have a break, that you are
going with someone to take care of you and if necessary do what I did get a drs letter telling them in no
uncertain terms that a holiday is needed to take away the wtress yoiu are suffering from………. my dr was
livid when I told him what they were up to complaining I needed a hooiday……….. never heard another
thing about it!
Comment by christine dickinson — July 21, 2010 @ 11:04 pm
Thank you for your comment.
The whole bloody thing is making more ill than I was in the first place!
Comment by goody — July 22, 2010 @ 7:38 am
Well, I have just spen the last 2 and half hours trying to get through to Atos again, regarding the so called
visit they were arranging for me – only to be finally told that my medical information and G.P letter did not
give sufficient evidence regarding my condition!
I spoke to two women in Leeds. The first one was reluctant to give me her name, and the second (a
manager), started to get
tetchy. I told her she was tetchy, and then she just started saying to me over and over ‗I was not rude, I was
not rude‘ – she repeated this about ten times – and I could not get a word in!! Until I said ‗I hope you are
recording this conversation, and you will see how rude you have been‘. She then said ‗you didnt tell me you
were recording the conversation‘ and put the phone down!!
Comment by Anon — July 22, 2010 @ 10:33 am
ok people got some numbers for you
Atos Healthcare customer relations telephone number 0113 230 9175
email at email@example.com
or you can write to them at
4 Triton Square
DWP enquiries 0113 230 9175 same as customer relations
hope the info helps!
Comment by christine dickinson — July 22, 2010 @ 10:58 am
follow up to previous post
if you want a copy of your report you can request it the day after as just confirmed with Atos that they are
emailed through on the day of examination. If on ESA (Employment Support Alowance) then you request a
copy of the ESA 85 if on Incapacity Benefit then IB 85
Also if the English of the dr who examines you is not up to ‗conversational‘ standards (Their words not
mine) then you can ring Atos and complain and back it up in writing, plus you can demand to be re-
examined by an English Dr……….. again thats from Atos themselves!
Comment by christine dickinson — July 22, 2010 @ 11:04 am
The woman I spoke to just now was on the number you have given me.
I dont want to to the appointment now – they can stick their money where the sun doesnt shine!!!
Comment by Anon — July 22, 2010 @ 11:10 am
Speaks volumes doesnt it, well done anon, you have them on thier back foot.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2010 @ 7:26 am
Its obvious that they know and are admitting they have serious staff problems. As for english not being up to
conversational level, remember that case with the German Doctor who killed his patient? Raises serious
concerns in my view. Excellent info, keep up the good work, the more amunition we have to fight back with
Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2010 @ 7:29 am
Anon, thats what they want you to do, they will now assume thet they were right and you were making a
bogus claim. Its better to go ahead and be turned down by them than to admit defeat. Please dont give in, I
know its difficult but dont let them get the upper hand.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 23, 2010 @ 7:30 am
I sent email stating that I am still not happy that they have ignored my requests for a home visit. And I
copied in MPs‘, and press etc – and today I have a cancellation letter from ATOS, with no follow up date.
What are they up to now?
Comment by Anon — July 24, 2010 @ 10:36 am
You took the initiative anon, they know they are in jeopardy already with so many appeals being won by the
appelant. You are now in the driving seat by the look of things and mentioning your MP may have been the
straw that broke the camels back. Well done.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 24, 2010 @ 11:50 am
Thank you for that – but does that mean that they will automatically cancel my money?
Comment by Anon — July 24, 2010 @ 11:57 am
Havnt read your letter, but last time they cancelled an appointment with me they didnt stop my money.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 26, 2010 @ 1:13 pm
Do you think they will rebook again? They have re-booked 3 times, and now this cancellation.
What are they playing at?
Comment by Anon — July 26, 2010 @ 2:18 pm
I think they probably will, they are running a business and we are the product they have to work with so sit
back and wait for the brown envelope. No doubt they will probably still want to see you.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 28, 2010 @ 8:47 am
Aha – they sent me a letter yesterday, informing me that they are looking into my complaint, and will
have an answer for me in 4 weeks.
What I find strange is, when I talked to a lady at the DWP wiht my complaint, and she said, that she
as many people had complained about ATOS – I said to her ‗well you employed them‘ – she replied that
they didnt, and that
ATOS were on contract. Well, doesnt that mean that the DWP employed them?
Comment by Anon — July 28, 2010 @ 8:50 am
Do you think they are treating my complaint as an appeal?
I am getting very confused
Comment by Anon — August 1, 2010 @ 1:05 pm
Anon, from what you said previously they are ―looking into‖ your complaint. Try not to read too much into
that and just ait for thier next communication. They do this all the time, they prefer to leave a very foggy
trail behind them because they themselves are bullied and abused by thier own management. They prefer
confusion as it is easy to say thet thier message was ―misunderstood‖ at a later date if they get caught out.
Comment by dwpexamination — August 1, 2010 @ 1:13 pm
Now finally, after 3 cancellations and a complaint – have my home visit booked for next week.
I know I will fail, but I will go along with their little scheme
Comment by Anon — August 4, 2010 @ 8:29 am
Thats the spirit Anon, go in with your eyes open and expect no quarter to be given. Just remember, when
you appeal (should you need to) give them as good as they have given you. Dont give in…
Comment by dwpexamination — August 4, 2010 @ 4:52 pm
Ive been to 2 of these medicals so far and just cancelled the one they had me booked in for today.
Im currently on appeal but the DWP has taken it upon thereselves to send me back to ATOS for some
What a waste of taxpayers money!!!
I recieved 0 points from my last ―examination‖ in my appeal to the decission makers i questioned my ATOS
―Doctors‖ qualifications. At this point i hadnt checked him out on the GMC.
The decission maker wrote in his report that i had questioned the ―Doctors‖ credentials and assured me he
After entering my ―doctors‖ name in the gmc website i found the guy was BARELY qualified to be a GP let
alone assess mental capability. He qualified from the University of Nigeria in 1979 with a MBBS which is
the most basic qualification going!
Since learning this information i did write it in my Tribunal appeal thing. I pointed out that with no
qualification in mental health he was not qualified to come to such a decission.
I have been on appeal for nearly 9 months. The Tribunal people started the whole tribunal thing about 6
months ago but no hearing has been had yet!
These doctors are useless. Mine was rude and i could barely understand him. He fabricated a report of lies
and inacurracies. The next medical assessment i go to i will be secretly recording. I am not going to be had
by some underqualified doctor again!!
Im pretty sure all the atos docs will have bare minimum qualifications….MBBS is entry level. Batchelor of
Medicine Batchelor of Surgery. This means they have NO specialization, they have a rudementry
understanding of human biology and medical apllications. This qualification in no way means they can
accuratly determine the effects of any medically specialized ailment or illness.
These doctors are under qualified for the important job that they do.
How can you accuratly determine the work capability of someone if you have no medical knowledge about
there condition? They take you on face value….on the day of the appointment. They dont look at the DWP
form you fill out before this examination…they just ask you some fixed questions that seem to have little
relevence to most conditions.
I continuosly told him that i had taken 10mg Diazapam to actually get there that day and that my father
drove me for obvious reasons. This was never mentioned in the report the doc wrote up. He tapped my leg,
made me bend my arms and head and a few other motor function tests. He asked me about my normal day.
He asked me about shopping and TV, he asked about ironing and making meals. What has that got to do
with working?? I can watch tv for 2 hours sitting so that makes me capable of work?
Theres serious problems with ATOS….im sure the DWP is paying them a huge amount of money to get
people off IB, ESA, DLA etc. The Atos building i went to was very nice, must cost a few quid to have such
a nice office. How can a goverment agency pay the company thats assessing you to assess you….they
HAVE to be biased as DWP pay their wages.
Its like the whole Judge and state thing….theres no such thing as a fair trial when the claimant is the state.
Speeding tickets for example…the judge works for the state as do the police…how can the judge be fair and
Why have ATOS decided that they need to see me again before me hearing at the Tribunal Service?? Who
runs the Tribunal service…is it a state run thing??
Why are their underqualified doctors getting away with this???
I cancelled my appointment today as i didnt feel well enough to go. I was told that because i had rebooked
the appointment before i had to fill in a form which they were going to send me. They guy took pleasure in
telling me my benefit would probably be stopped as a result of failure to attend and that the DWP would get
a decission maker to look at my ―excuse‖ for not attending this VERY imprtant medical assessment.
This is a total SCAM….lots of people are making lots of money from this little escapade. Wonder how
much a specialist doctor would charge to accuratly assess a patient? I wonder if this is even possible in
under 20 mins???
Comment by Rob From Essex — August 12, 2010 @ 10:24 am
Welcome to our rapidly growing community of ATOS victims, If you take a look at the other pages on the
blog you will see you are not alone, this is the most important thing to remember. Atos and the DWP
are not attacking you, though thats whet they want you to think, they tar everyone with the same brush. Next
time you have an appointment with ATOS, take someone with you, someone you can trust. Ask them to take
notes of the proceedings, the ATOS cardboard cut out will not like it and will try to put you off by saying
you cant use your notes at any tribunal or in any court. Dont worry, just carry on regardless, its your right to
take notes, take a close look at the alleged ―Doctor‖ though, those little tell tale beads of sweat on his upper
lip and his figiting will conform you have hit a major nerve. They hate it when you have a witness who is
taking notes. To make your life a little easier I have produced an assessment form on the assessing ATOS
page, this form will allow your companion to score the building, ―Doctor‖ receptionist, parking etc and will
serve as an aid to your memory when you are writing out your appeal. The DWP usually wait a month or so
before they stop your benefits and the letter usually arrives the day beforee or on the day your benefits are
due, for maximum impact. This is a terror tactic they use, they know that the majority of benefit claimants
rely on thier payments being in the bank or on thier doorstep on time, they also know that the worry of not
being able to pay rent, council tax and to buy food is a great motivator to get you to reclaim on jobseekerrs
allowance. On the assessing ATOS page you will also find a useful contact form, print some of these off and
keep them near the phone. It is essential that you gather the information the form asks you to and that you
make a written record of your conversation, it helps throw them if you tell them you will be making a record
of the conversation, thay hate that. No doubt you are aware of the help available from your Local Authority
Welfare Rights Office and the C.A.B. It is essential that you seek assistance from one or the other and
particularly as a representative at your tribunal. ATOS and the DWP see themselves as judge, jury and
exicutioner untill you take the upper hand. Fight them all the way, when you are at your tribunal come
across as a credible witness, dont shout, swear or act agressivly toward them, they are in a position to help
you. Why not register with our sister forum, its free and is available to you
athttp://dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where you will find loads of people in the same boat, loads of
good advice and support and above all a feeling of belonging, rather than that the DWP try to create.
Comment by dwpexamination — August 12, 2010 @ 5:30 pm
Welll I had my ‗assessment‘ last week…………. rang them to get a copy fo the report and have just finished
a 13 page letter back to DWP listing every single anomaly in it!
Questions not asked, things said to have been carried out and not carried out…………..daughter was with
me taking notes and recording the conversation, and yes he did NOT like it at all! In fact the dr (such as he
was) got quite shirty about the whole thing, especially when I told him it was for my reference if needed!
Got a phone call yesterday from the DWP asking why I had taken my own notes and recorded the
conversation……….told the person on the other end of the phone probably a very good job I did as there
were several glaring mistakes in the report and I would be contesting them…….it seems we are not
supposed to think and act for ourselves we are just supposed to go along with what the drs say ‗as they are
the qualified ones and they know best‘………..told them it was load of crap as the dr had quite clearly stated
I can bedn down and pick something off the floor……….erm he didn‘t ask me to do this and would have
told him that there was no way I could have done it anyway! Also the ‗eyesight test‘ what a joke, asked to
read the chart WITH MY GLASSES ON……… a myopic wombat could have read that chart with glasses, I
refused as the test was not conducted properly.
According to the dr that ‗examined‘ me I was taking a ‗mild painkiller‘……. now 2×500 grammes of Co-
Drydamol every 6 hours is not to me a ‗mild painkiller‘ neither is it to my GP to whom I showed the report
yesterday………….he has picked holes in most of it as well, and he has also offered to write me a letter
(free of charge I might add)telling the DWP what he thinks of the ‗examination‘…….. in his words ‗a first
year medical student could have done better‘
So the letter has left this morning, by guaranteed delivery (they have to sign for it and I can track it)
expensive but worth it, and see hwat happens next.
Comment by christine dickinson — August 18, 2010 @ 9:22 am
Thats the spirit, they dont like it when we fight back eh? I wish I had been a fly on the wall and seen the
alleged ―Doctor‖ turn green when you told him it was for your own reference, now they cant say you have
used it in your defence as it is clearly a simple reminder of the days events to which you can refer if your
memory of events fade. Marvelous, well done and keep up the excellent work, you are an example to all of
Comment by dwpexamination — August 18, 2010 @ 1:28 pm
Atos – have no medical experience, I saw them first 3 years ago and they were horrific. The report bore no
resemblance to what I said or did, the ―Medic/Healthcare Professional‖ told me he didn‘t understand my
condition only an expert could, his words not mine and yet nothing on the report said that even though I had
the proof. My case still went to appeal and after 2 hours, the Chair of the Appeal decided that I should have
been awarded something and he said that nothing relating to my actual condition was on the report. So now
3 years later we have been asked to see the Gestapo Police again even though the condition has worsened
We should petition Downing Street.
Comment by Ellie — September 4, 2010 @ 3:17 pm
Its being tried right now, but they wont listen. What we need to do is vote with our feet at the next Local and
GGeneral elections and sack the present Government. Keep us posted.
Comment by dwpexamination — September 4, 2010 @ 5:13 pm
Well we have developments! You recal I sent in a letter (well mini novel really) listing every single anomaly
int he drs report. Gt a letter back from ATOS Friday morning saying that ‗we have decided that the
assessment was NOT carreid out to ur high standards and we have therefore asked the DWP to rescind their
previous decison (not entitled to ESA on the evidence from the report) to be set aside and anew assessment
booked at your convenence with a different healthcare professional. I can name the date time and place plus
I can have my own GP there as well………..also informed the DWP that if they don‘t play ball and scrap the
decison then I take them to Court and sue the pants off them……….. solicitor all lined up and ready to
go………..will keep you informed of developments
Comment by christine — September 25, 2010 @ 8:38 pm
sorry for spelling mistakes in the above got a migraine from hell right now
Comment by christine — September 25, 2010 @ 8:39 pm
Well done, at least you have proved the first ―assessment‖ was of suffucuent poor quality that the DWP and
thier enforcement arm ATOS have decided to withdraw thier claim that you are fit for work. This sort of
thing is hapening all the time, genuinely sick and disabled people are having thier wrk capability poorly
assessed and as a result lose thier Benefits to which they are legally entitled and are made to suffer serious
stress whilst waiting for a Tribunal to correct Poor performance by ATOS. It will be interesting to see if they
actually allow your GP to attend, they will probably object as they dont want to be exposed to the public
ridicule a real Doctors report upon the performance of an alleged Healthcar Professional would surely bring.
Keep us posted.
Comment by dwpexamination — September 26, 2010 @ 7:19 am
All doctors must be registered with the General Medical Council http://www.gmc-
and as such are subject to the GMC code of practice http://www.gmc-
One of the principle responsibilities that a medical practitioner has in these circumstances is to write a fair
and balanced report
―In paragraphs 63-67 of Good Medical Practice we say
o You must be honest and trustworthy when writing reports and when completing or signing forms, reports
and other documents.
o You must always be honest about your experience, qualifications and position, particularly when applying
o You must do your best to make sure that any documents you write or sign are not false or misleading. This
means that you must take reasonable steps to verify the information in the documents, and that you must not
deliberately leave out relevant information.
o If you have agreed to prepare a report, complete or sign a document or provide evidence, you must do so
without unreasonable delay.
o If you are asked to give evidence or act as a witness in litigation or formal inquiries, you must be honest in
all your spoken and written statements. You must make clear the limits of your knowledge or competence.‖
If the doctor who assesses you doesn‘t comply with the GMC code then you can make a formal complaint to
the GMC. I sense that not enough complaints are being made.
When I went through my own medical assessment,comparing it with the GMC code, I came up 12
complaints against the doctor concerned and will therefore be lodging a complaint with the GMC.
Comment by Dionysus — October 10, 2010 @ 4:43 pm
How did you get on then?
Comment by dwpexamination — October 11, 2010 @ 6:55 am
Awaiting tribunal and complaint to GMC is ongoing.
Comment by Dionysus — October 11, 2010 @ 7:33 am
Can you keep us posted please?
Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 6:48 am
This Government crackdown is a worry.
I have – to my surprise – just passed my examination with ATOS – does this all mean that I have to have
Comment by goody66 — October 12, 2010 @ 7:50 am
Hi, first, well done. Next, I dont know how or when they are going to call people back in for reassessment,
your guess is as good as mine.
Comment by dwpexamination — October 12, 2010 @ 11:59 am
I had my so-called medical with ATOS on the 5th October and waiting to see what the DWP‘s decision is.
Having read through things on here I phoned the office dealing with my claim and asked for a copy of my
medical report. I was told that they would send my request to ATOS as they personally could not send it
out…lol. I think it will make interesting reading as I do love a good work of fiction…
My experiences with ATOS have, so far, not been the best. When it came to making an appiontment I was
sent a letter telling me I MUST phone them within 2 days to make an appointment or my benefit would be
stopped…on principle I left it for a week…they said nothing. I asked for directions to their office (Reading)
and waas told it would be included in the confirmation letter. I asked about parking and was told the same.
When I received the confirmation letter it included basic directions…walk to bus stop, 10 minutes, take bus
to train station, 10 minutes, walk to assessment centre. No map, no directions, no indication of how long it
might take to walk from the train station, no details about parking…helpful eh? I only knew where to go
because my friend had had a medical (which she failed) a few weeks previously.
During the medical I was told that I wouldn‘t be asked to do anything I found painful. That was obviously a
joke as I was asked to do several things I had already explained caused me intense pain, and when I failed to
carry out these tests to her (the HCP) satisfaction she encouraged me to try again, but harder this time…I
refused to attempt anything more than once and she didn‘t look happy. Oh well, shit happens. I was
criticised for not having a copy of the referral letter from my GP to the spinal unit at the hospital…I had
only been referred the day before…and it was implied that I was lying about it. Very caring. The list of
minor insults goes on, and on.
Can anybody give me an idea how long it takes for the DWP to actually make a decision after you‘ve had
Comment by dawn hill — October 27, 2010 @ 6:54 pm
Hi Dawn hill, welcome to our growing comunity. Unless they have changed thier procedures it is your right
to have a copy of hte ―Doctors‖ report. Your local JC+ should supply this on request, beware, they will try
to put you off but be patient and polite but firm. Ask the name of the person you are talking to, make a note
of it, ask them to put you through to someone who can help. I have produced a contact form on the assessing
ATOS page of this blog and on the useful templates page of our sister
forum http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org Print a few of these off and keep them by the phone it
is essential that you keep a record of every conversation you have from now on with the DWP or ATOS. I
assure you it will come in handy if you find yourself in an appeal situation. It is also your right to decline
any exercise the ATOS HCP asks you to do if it causes you pain or severe discomfort, they are not there to
press you into doing something that will hurt you. ATOS never give enough information on parking, its
endemic from the evidence provided by readers, they do make assumptions, make unusual comments in
thier reports and will usually ignore any supporting evidence you provide them with. The Decision Maker
will have many similar cases to deal with and it can take a while to get a reply, I have evidence to support
every option from one week to never recieving it. Eithere way if you find yourself in a position where you
have to appeal please do so, never give in, challenge every decision you feel is wrong, assumed or
downright lies. Read some of the horror stories onthe blog and the forum. Keep us posted and good luck
Comment by dwpexamination — October 28, 2010 @ 10:28 am
Thanks…I received my medical report today….only 2 days after I requested it…I am surprised…I‘m going
through it now. Being honest, it seems relatively accurate. There are a couple of glaring errors tho. How
could one be said to have ‗walked normally‘ when I have a severe limp? She also said I can ‗crouch to the
floor and stand up again‘…I managed to get down into a squat but was then unable to rise without falling
over…I did get up eventually but with much difficulty. It also says that ‗none of the above apply‘ in the
category bending and kneeling, yet later in the report says I cannot bend to reach my knees. that has
confused me a bit, either I can bend, or I cant. I know I cant, but anybody reading the report would think I
can. Also said in the category of reaching that none of the above apply, when I cant raise my arms above
shoulder level. This was noted in the next section tho…again I‘m confused. She states that visual field
testing is normal in both eyes….this is true, but as a visual field test was not carried out…how would she
know? Other than these (quite serious) lies, sorry, errors, I find the rest of the report fairly accurate. She is
not english and, although she did have good spoken english, it shows in her spelling…she stated, and I
quote, ‗mucsle weakness-mainly on the tights‘. At least it made me laugh…
Having read the report tho, I think I will be needing to appeal. Not impresssed. Will keep you posted.
Comment by dawn hill — October 29, 2010 @ 11:14 am
Having read through my medical report thoroughly I have now found some more errors…when describing
relevant features of physical exam for upper limbs…she states I have restricted movement of upper arms and
neck…but that my forearm functions are normal…this is true…but in her summary she states that I have a
mild disability due to impairment of the forearms and hands. Good eh? In her medical examination findings
she states that forward flexion in my lower back is ‗above knees‘ which is true. As I noted before she said
‗none of the above apply‘ in the category of bending and kneeling. The descriptors on the diability alliances‘
(factsheet 33} website state ‗cannot bend to touch the knees and straighten up again 15pts‘. Is it me or is she
contradicting herself in such a manner as to deliberately give wrong or misleading information? Does
anybody know if the DWPs DMs actually read the whole of the report or just the sections where the HCP
has made their conclusions relating to each activity?
Comment by dawn hill — October 29, 2010 @ 5:24 pm
These glaring innacuracies need to be identified and a challenge made on each descriptor. As you say, you
eather can or cant perform the ―tasks‖. Eye tests, well if you werent informed one was being carried out,
then how can you participate to a point where the HCP can have or form an opinion. Before you appeal
make sure you go through the report with a fime toothed comb and identify statements which are untrue,
fabrications and lies, once you have the reply from your local DM and feel you need to go further enlist the
help of your Local Authority Welfare Rights Officer or the CAB, these are good people who will help you
with your appeal. Keep us posted
Comment by dwpexamination — October 30, 2010 @ 10:36 am
Now youre cooking.
Comment by dwpexamination — October 30, 2010 @ 10:37 am
i have just had my second medical and failed i was given 14 points on my first medical and awarded 1 point
at my appeal ive been awarded 0 points at my second medical with exactly the same condition which makes
me wonder what the hell is going on, ive read on medical websites of doctors being offered cash to not give
out sick notes and also my own gp had a friend who worked for atos and left as there was massive
corruption and also the guidelines they went by classed us all as scum and wasters it sickens me that when i
was able to work i paid my taxes so people who were ill got help now that im in the same boat i get nothing i
know it sounds bitter but we know the system is now flawed .
Comment by Anonymous — November 2, 2010 @ 1:31 am
But the Government are trying to prove the opposite to the general public by thier manipulation of the
media. Are you going to appeal? it will be interesting to see how that turned out. lease keep us posted.
Comment by dwpexamination — November 2, 2010 @ 7:37 am
Here we go again!!
Passed my bloody Atos Medical – and now the Job Centre want to see me – to see if they can help me in
Do I have to go?
Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 2:18 pm
Have you seen the HCP‘s report?
Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2010 @ 2:20 pm
No – I have not
Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 2:25 pm
Can I suggest you call your local JC+ and demand a copy of your report, its your right to have it. Go through
it and identify any inconsistancies and appeal via the JC+GL24 form. You muist act quockly as you only
have one month from the date of the letter informing you of your benefit termination to apply. Keep us
Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2010 @ 2:30 pm
Apparantly I am on the Work Related Activity Support – I dont know how this is – because most days I
cannot even go to the toilet unaided!!!
Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 3:15 pm
Start the appeal process before its too late, otherwise you will just become another statistic and ATOS will
think they have got it right?
Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2010 @ 6:37 pm
The job centre had put off my meeting for now – and Belfast are sending me an appeals form.
It must be the same for all of us genuine ones – as soon as you think you are sorted – another silly letter
It afffects my problem more. I become tense and stressed – and feel worse than I did before!
Comment by goody66 — November 4, 2010 @ 6:53 pm
Its all part of thier plan, Joe Bloggs started the alarm bels ringing months ago when he warned all of our
readers not to become complacent. Dont worry, its not just you, though thats what they want you to think.
We are all going to get it soon. Keep on your present track and appeal, check out the useful templates page
on our sister forum http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org , you may find some useful basic letters
there which you can alter to meet your own needs. Keep us posted.
Comment by dwpexamination — November 5, 2010 @ 7:58 am
my wife fell over in feb2009 smashed her skull had a major brain bleed died twice on way to hospital
transfered toQ E birmingham for emergency surgerin may 2009 following a medical (south african doctor)
atos say she is fit for work so we appeal (on the grounds that the doctor is unqualified and a disgrace to his
proffesionand win this took 11 months then she is called for a atos assesment (june2010) in oct she is called
for another medical on arrival this cancelled because my wife (SHE WEARS 2 HEARING AIDS) cannot
understand the rumanian doctor a month later next appt guess what same rumanian doctor now they want us
to go worcester for this which is 45 miles away we live near Hereford Its very sad my wife thinks it would
easier if she had died that day
Comment by chris woodward — November 6, 2010 @ 12:57 am
Woodward, I am sorry to hear of all your troubles. The system is so hung up on saving money, that they are
people with real problems!!
Why dont the MP‘s etc stop having their ‗expensive business lunches‘ – that would save money!
I am being sent an appeals form now – I hope my money is not stopped whilst this happens.
My money has been stopped 3 times this year – due to questions, and I have had to borrow from family and
friends. It is all more worry
Comment by goody66 — November 8, 2010 @ 11:05 am
perhaps the gvt should hold the medicals on the same basis as a court hearing
including the swearing of the oath, at the end of the day we as claimants would
gladly swear on oath to the condition we are in we just want to be recognised
and i wonder just how comfy atos would be to swear they are being truthful after all in a court of law they
would perjure themselves
Comment by Anonymous — November 9, 2010 @ 8:56 pm
very helpfull thanks. ive got a doc coming tomorrow and its stressing me…
Comment by andy — November 9, 2010 @ 9:43 pm
Welcome to our world ―A‖, I assume you mean an ATOS ―Doctor‖ and you are having a home visit. First
try to get someone to witness your medical, if not, try to record it. I have produced a form on the assessing
ATOS page of this blog to help you to remember what happend during your medical. Make sure you keep
some kind of record of the events today, it is essential you do so as you may need it later if you find yourself
in an appeal situation. Keep us posted.
Comment by dwpexamination — November 10, 2010 @ 9:44 am
Here we go again!!!
Just had a letter from Reed Employment – wanting me to attend an interview, to help me back to work.
I now feel that I am (like most of you), being bullied!
I am fed up with phoning and writing letters to all of these people.
I have just sent a letter to Belfast regarding Work Related Benefits. What don‘t these people
Comment by goody66 — January 15, 2011 @ 1:45 pm
Can anybody help with my post above – regarding my ‗summons‘ to Reed Employment please
Comment by goody66 — January 17, 2011 @ 12:15 pm
Please check out our sister forum at http://www.dwpexamination.myfreeforum.org where this subject has
been previously commented on
Comment by dwpexamination — January 17, 2011 @ 5:23 pm
Hi i wondered if they are investigators that will take on these claims that the medical examinations are
bogus, i have a congenital birth defect in my spine i have been in chronic pain for 10 years i‘m 36 i have
problems sitting stand and laying, i have secondary conditions caused my the first illness of disc
degeneration disease, a prolapsed disc, femorral syndrome, carpal tunnel and undiagonosed pain in left hip
and knee, also have just been given a prelimanary diagnosis of ME. My dispute with disability has been
going on for almost 4 years, culminating in me given up on the 2nd pier of my appeal because they could‘nt
even read the facts in my case correctly they based their assumption on my consultant writing i was ‗very
active‘ and underneath wrote he had never met me!?! That was based on me complaining that i was a very
active youngster and teenager and could‘nt believe i had this condition since birth, and that i wanted to do
yoga because it was shown to reduce some of the symptons and could they advise me if this would make my
condition worse, i was penalised for this. My gp signed me off with a sick note however DWP just sent me
on another and declared i have failed although my neighbour just received it because she is a heroine
addict!!! I‘m so tired of this situation because i cannot claim benefits i do not qualify for any services that
could help me and my children, adult social services came and assessed me and provided me with home aids
and class me as disabled, all other institutes class me as disabled apart from DWP, they canceled my claim
told me i cannot re-claim for 6 months and that i should have income support, spoke to them and was
advised my claim was active and to see their advisor done this 3 weeks ago and still have not recieved any
money, phoned them today and was told my claim was cancelled because i refused to go through their
appeal process because its flawed and one-sided, i would prefer to appeal in belgium in the human rights
courts because the quality of my life is poor and they are trying to force me to work when i have trouble
taking my children to school.
Comment by Anonymous — February 3, 2011 @ 5:22 pm
You should always appeal, never gove in, dont let them fob you off with excuses.Contact your local CAB or
Welfare rights officer. It will take you years to get your case in front of the human rights courts. Dont punish
yourself, ask for help and take the fight to them
Comment by dwpexamination — February 4, 2011 @ 12:52 pm
I recieve D.L.A and incomesupport/incapacity/ssevere disablement allowance for a anxiety/mental health
problem.I don‘t know what i am going to be asked or how and i am panicking!
I have had my problems for 21 years and had only sporadic help from the N.H.S leaving me to the care of
charities such as Mind.
I never set out to get benefits for dishonest reasons-my life fell apart in my 20′s and i have had to live with it
since then-WHY is the state of my health MY FAULT?
Has anyone else out there been to a reassessment with similar conditions to mine?
I realize they are taking physical problems into consideration so how do i stick to my guns with what is MY
health codition-NOT what someone else decides what it is or isn‘t?
Comment by anonymously. — April 12, 2011 @ 5:04 pm
Log on to our sister sitehttp://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/index.php and think up a
There are people with your health conditions on there that can give good advice on what to do next, and how
to handle what‘s coming.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 13, 2011 @ 1:05 pm
I have an interrogation with ATOS ―healthcare professional(!)‖ Dr Marion Minalcea. Does anyone know
anything about this person – I have mental health problems and am struggling to cope with the thought of
Comment by caz — July 11, 2011 @ 3:14 pm
Click on to our forum, there‘s people on there from all over Britain with your condition and they can help.
Comment by dwpexamination — July 11, 2011 @ 8:46 pm
I was ―examined by a ―Registed Nurse‖, I failed naturally, this was the second time I had been disallowed
ESA, I won my first appeal within 30 seconds of sitting down at the tribunal, hope it will be the same this
time, not quite so confident however as I am sure the ―goal posts‖ have been shortened considerably
Comment by Anonymous — July 15, 2011 @ 10:59 am
30 seconds of sitting down ? just shows how ATOS are so wrong, would be interesting to see how you got
Comment by dwpexamination — August 25, 2011 @ 2:22 pm
HI I HAD MINE IN JULY AND AM NOW FIGHTING AN APPEAL AFTER I WAS TOLD I HAD
FAILED the way i was treatyed by the so called doctor was disgusting he told blatant lies dont think he
realised my wife was sitting next to me listening to my answers he then tried to make me walk out side in
the street in front of neigbours who all now know my buissiness he tried to force walk me i told him i cant
do anymore and had to turn back he left at speed in his car dident leave me anything or say anything just a
smirk on his face these people are a total disgrace if i fail my appeal they WILL be taken to tribunial and
court…. after his so called medical i was in severe pain and cant sleepdue to worry.
Comment by colin e w — October 4, 2011 @ 9:36 am
It will be a few months yet before you are given a date for the tribunal appeal Colin, meanwhile read up on
the forumhttp://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and get great advice on what you can
do in the meantime, what are you doing for money for instance ?.
Comment by dwpexamination — October 4, 2011 @ 10:03 am
Slipped disk in the lumbar region with associated sciatica. Rotator cuff syndrome of the right shoulder, torn
cruciates and a cyst in the right knee. I had kidney disease and an operation to remove the offending article
last year and a long standing issue with clinical depression. Because I can at least shuffle 200 yards and lift
my arms to shoulder height. Nil points.
The doctor (doctor indeed) could even hear the noises coming from my right knee when I was forced to do
Maybe I am a hypochondriac, or maybe I have some very real emotional issues. It‘s hard to tell isn‘t it
whether a person is actually capable of working.
I‘ve tried to work since getting cut off by the DWP early this year but I have to say. Not very successfully.
Although reasonably intelligent, I don‘t deal with paperwork very well. Especially this appeals business
which took 6 months to be even looked at. They called me, I said I wasn‘t sure whether to continue with it
and had to think about it. I get a letter to sign to say I want to cancel the appeal. I don‘t sign it. I get another
letter saying my appeal has been cancelled anyway. What was was the point of the signature and the waste
of paper in the first place.
My situation is, absolutely flat broke, living with parents, suicidal and I feel close to being another statistic.
My dying breath will be to curse a bunch of uncaring public schoolboys in government to feel the same
emotional torment, poverty, hardship and physical pain as I have. Just so they bloody understand that I am
not a lazy layabout.
Comment by D Smith — October 31, 2011 @ 4:40 pm
You had every right to appeal, what they want is for you to drop your appeal and this is what they do, just
browbeat people in to submission with constant hassle and threats because appealing is bad for them and
good for you especially judging by your condition a winning appeal would be no problem.
Anyway, what you can do now is re-apply for ESA etc if six months have passed when you were informed
by the DWP that you were fit for work, then if you have to appeal we can offer serious help on the forum
here http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ that‘s help with paperwork and advice et
al (plug and play) in to winning.
Comment by dwpexamination — October 31, 2011 @ 8:37 pm
i have been told i have lost my verbal appeal and now have a written one sent away about a month ago i got
a letter saying it could take up to another 11 weeks , i dident get a written report from the witch doctor who
was supposed to know what he was doing and he told blatant lies so the next letter will be interesting if i
lose this appeal they will be going to tribunial and court alredy seen about getting these fake corrupt people
done, i will keep everyone informed fingers crossed , ps i still say thes ATOS doctors are fake and corrupt
like the government who brought them in.
Comment by colin e w — November 4, 2011 @ 12:30 pm
Are you saying you applied for an ESA 85 and didn‘t receive one ?.
Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2011 @ 1:02 pm
hi is that the doctors report that i was supposed to be left with me after examination [yes thats what im
Comment by colin e w — November 4, 2011 @ 2:27 pm
Yes it‘s called an EASA 85, they don‘t actually give or leave it with you, you have to apply to the DWP for
it, and most people don‘t apply unless they are appealing, that‘s when they see all the lies the ATOS
Doctor/Nurse told the DWP about them.
So if you are appealing, then it‘s imperative you get that report from the DWP or you will not know which
descriptors you are appealing against, of course it suits them if you don‘t see it and that‘s why they don‘t
automatically send a copy, as with just about everything with the DWP you have to ask..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2011 @ 3:21 pm
hi many thanks for your speedy reply sir its very much appreciated,i have just phoned the DWP and
requested this report, they did say i should get some kind of reply in the next 2 weeks regarding my written
appeal and have forwarded my request for that report, as soon as i find out more i will get back to you once
again many thanks….colin.
Comment by colin e w — November 4, 2011 @ 3:44 pm
You can get more advice here Colin for free at the
forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ from people like you and I who have
been through the mill and now help others with their experiences with ATOS/DWP.
Comment by dwpexamination — November 4, 2011 @ 4:59 pm
My report was enough to have me erupt into a mental psyche out.
I worsened a tryin to rip it up. Ended up attacking myself pretty bad over the whole thing, lies, pointless
opinionised random comments that were only to put me in a bad light. Nothing explained my situation with
the nhs, nothing about my mental state was added, i felt totally victimised by the words used, the lack of
truth and facts, the nowhere to turn, just didnt know what to do.
When mentally abused with chemical toxins via ‗medicinal‘ healthcare goes wrong, its truly a time to lose it.
When atos get involved? ….. Hell i would not express top anyone what my ideations became. Even scare
myself at times. Its a time of which i wish never to repeat, i did go so down hill. Suicidal/homicidal
twisted/bitter etc. Albeit the drug was in effect at a high dose still and withdrawal along with adversely
reacting, symptomatically, i was a psychopathic, arthritic, confused headache.
I say it were the drug, end o day, this drug enhances the initial reaction, anger turns to hate filled rage, stress
becomes nervous agitational aggression, a feeling of no way out, becomes intentional fighting for survival
(potential fatalities of myself and others)
had this been a few years ago, the brutal truth woulda been a case for dismissal of a ‗dr‘
Comment by Sue E Sidal — December 16, 2011 @ 7:16 pm
Hi, I have been declined my DLA and ESA for mental health problems. Last time my ESA was declined I
requested an appeal and it was once when I called to say that I could not attend appointments one morning a
week due to psychotherapy that I was informed my decision had been reversed a few weeks before. Now I
have only discovered my decline since 5 December when I received a letter saying my ―sick note‖ had run
Is it policy not to tell the claimant about decisions?
Comment by Anonymous — January 13, 2012 @ 5:18 pm
No it is not policy to not tell you about decisions, they should tell you by letter that you have been refused
If I were you I would contact my local welfare rights or the charity ‗MIND‘ and find out with their help
what is going on.
Comment by dwpexamination — January 13, 2012 @ 5:59 pm
I have an ATOS exam tomorrow, I have had them in the past with no problems (not with atos) but it seems
to me the government has hired a new band of mercenaries to lay waste to our ill and disabled! It clearly
shows what this government thinks of our struggling under classes!!!
I found your web site very informative and will take on board all the info I have gleaned, Thank you!
Comment by Conrad McGarty — January 25, 2012 @ 7:18 pm
The assessment in itself is not usually a problem, a normal examination is around 20 minutes and is just a
bunch of questions basically with a short physical examination for appearances sake, the problems start
when you are found fit for work and you decide to appeal and ask for the ESA 85 report, that‘s when you
see all the lies they tell about you to justify their decision that you are work fit.
If this happens to you then don‘t hesitate to contact us here at the
forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and we will try our best to help make
your appeal a more pleasant experience than reading your ESA 85 assessment report.
Comment by dwpexamination — January 25, 2012 @ 8:12 pm
Best of luck to you Conrad,
Comment by Sue E Sidal — January 26, 2012 @ 12:50 am
The exam seemed to go ok, though I did break down talking about my problems! It only took about 10 mins
and I was out of there. I‘ll just have to wait to see the outcome and hope it is in my favour. Thanks folks for
all your support!!
Comment by Conrad McGarty — January 26, 2012 @ 5:18 pm
Here‘s hoping it‘s good news..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — January 26, 2012 @ 6:09 pm
Obviously cannot know but seems a very quick ‗exam‘, that can only be a good thing.
Long drawn out ones tend to be the ‗trying hard to find a wayt to fail you‘ or ‗pointless wastes of time‘
i respect the having broken down during the ordeal, its far too personal in all areas, unfair that you are co-
ersed into an emotional state..
My hope is with you, i truly hope all is good and you are given the fairness needed.
Comment by Sue E Sidal — January 27, 2012 @ 1:04 pm
Divorce, a brother committing suicide, another dying of ill health and recently losing my son aged 13 and
my mum in close succession as well as other trauma, they would have to be insane to argue the fact that I‘m
depressed!! I think that is why the exam was so quick, the breakdown just underlined it! I think they will get
off my case at least for a little while! Thanks again for your support.
Comment by Conrad McGarty — January 27, 2012 @ 5:49 pm
Conrad…No problems, that‘s what we are here for, help and support.
Comment by dwpexamination — January 27, 2012 @ 5:57 pm
hi every one i had an assement in august 2011 it was a nightmare over 2 hours i was there ( i have wrote
about it on this blog if anyone wants to read it ) it is in the another horror story colum at the bottom of the
page . i also failed and scored no points i got a copy of the medical i had and it was full of lies and
inconsistences . i appealed through my local unemployed center i also got my doctor on board
ANDDDDDDDD i wrote to my local MP .which i think helped me a great deal i won the appeal but the dwp
did not inform me ohhhhhhhh no they informed my mp who then wrote to me telling me i had won and that i
had been put into the support group .he also sent a copy of the letter that the dwp had sent to him ( not me )
they were not happy about me going through my MP and told my MP that there was a way to go about
appeals . in other words i should not have gone through my MP the cheeky barstools .but i do believe that
had i not gone through my MP it would still be on going now
Comment by sheila — February 5, 2012 @ 8:39 am
They sent it to your MP rather than you because they reckon if your MP wants to fight your battles then
he/she can be your carer as well, as you can see it‘s a form of insult and I‘m sure the meaning of this DWP
disrespect will not be lost on your MP either.
These pen pushing civil servants at the DWP are getting far too big for their boots and something needs to
be done about them, for far to long now they have been swaggering around boasting to each other and
bullying their claimants and acting as if they are a law unto themselves, it‘s about time they were brought
down to earth.
By the way you were quite right to get your MP involved, they don‘t like it when the MPs are aware of what
they are doing, but at the same time they are so arrogant and think they are special they still treat people like
dirt whether the MPs know or not..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — February 5, 2012 @ 9:13 am
There is only one way to stop the atos liars and that is to record your assessment. I will be up against them
soon and they won‘t be treating me like dirt as the whole matter will be recorded from being called. I don‘t
care if they refuse to medical me I will continue to demand a medical until they throw me out. There is a
website called consumers defence league – check it out – most sick people have successfully attempted to
record their medical and the atos ‗liar‘ has refused to do it. Also on the website is a document to download
of questions to ask the atos doctor – they won‘t even answer the questions – get the feeling atos liars are
running scared. Don‘t be put off if they refuse to allow you to record – carry on as you set off and don‘t give
in. The reason they won‘t want you to record is that action could be taken against them when you compare
your assessment outcome with the recording on the day. Come on folks, buy yourselves dictaphones –
reasonably cheap and lets stop the ‗liars‘ of atos in their tracks.
Comment by M enson — February 6, 2012 @ 9:28 pm
Your quite right M enson, they know what they are doing is just downright immoral and recording exposes
them for what they are, liars and cheats, imagine doing a job like that ?, knowing you have to lie your head
off every day to get a bonus..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — February 6, 2012 @ 10:24 pm
Nice one, good to see spirited defiance is still rife.
All the best to you.
Comment by Sue E Sidal — February 7, 2012 @ 12:32 pm
Hi folks, just had a phone call from DWP the have put me on income support allowance running from early
march. That is a hell of a weight of my mind, they will reassess me in 18 months. Just thought i would let
you know the outcome, thanks again!
Comment by Conrad McGarty — February 7, 2012 @ 4:05 pm
They put you on Employment support allowance that‘s great news, you should get backdate money all the
way back to last year as well..!!
I suppose it‘s the work related activity group then and not the support group ?.
Comment by dwpexamination — February 7, 2012 @ 4:58 pm
Im pleased for u conrad. 18mnths is going to go quick in terms of ‗sudden creeping up on u‘ so keep alert
throughout to endure no hidden scams will creep up too.
Youve had an ordeal of traumas to cope with and no one has a right to say how long or short recovery will
Go at your own sanitys pace.
All the best and well done
Comment by Sue E Sidal — February 8, 2012 @ 2:33 am
NEED HELP PLEASE I DO NOT HAVE AN APPOINTMENT AS YET WHEN TO ATTEND MEDICAL
Someone reported me to the DWP for not being as disabled as I am claiming for, and now have to be told
that I will have to go for a medical. I get high rate DLA on both catorgories and ICB I suffer with
Rhumatoid and Osteoarthritus, in my back and all joints, Fibromayalgia of the shoulders, and Depression, I
also have a heart problems and unstable angina (getting pains again thru stress that this is causing). I can
hardly walk, only as far as my car using a stick which is on a driveway outside my door, when I go shopping
for food I have to take someone with me so that they can lift my scooter or wheelchair out of the car, and
also put my shopping in the car and take it into the house, also reach things off the supermarket shelves for
me. I cannot shampoo or even brush my hair, I have to rely on friends or neighbours to come and wash and
brush my hair and do my housework and sometimes even cook a dinner for me and my 15yr old autistic son,
a lot of times we have take aways. I have spoken to my consultant rhumatologist and my GP, who are both
willing to back me, but have been tod that the medical doctor can over ride their diagnosis.
You all state that I should take someone with me to the Medical and also record this, but more often that not
I am home alone till my son gets home from school.
Please can anyone advise me
Comment by cutekitty — February 8, 2012 @ 8:33 am
Apparently 90 % plus of these types of calls to the DWP are malicious and borne out of some kind of petty
jealousy or revenge rather than fraudulent claims, the DWP already know all this, and are probably long fed
up investigating people and finding out that they are not fraudulent.
As for attending a functional assessment ? everyone who is in receipt of sickness benefit or DLA etc will be
called for a functional assessment sooner or later it‘s just a matter of time before every single person is
Both your own DRs are willing to back you ? that‘s great, the ATOS DRs over rule them all anyway, your
DRs are just telling you why should they be any different. Wait and see when you get an attendance letter
then take it from there..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — February 8, 2012 @ 9:27 am
I would certainly buy a dictaphone to record your assessment (reasonably cheap) and go to the
website http://www.consumer league defence and download a document which refers to questions you
should ask the examining hcp before any assessment takes place. The administrator of the website has put all
this together (Recording & questions to ask) and in using this method, atos have on 5 ocassions refused to
assess him because of the legality that surrounds his right to record (this can be done as long as you are party
to the conversation which you will be). It is always better to have a chaperone to the assessment – I use
assessment as they do not take account of anyone‘s disability and where medical evidence is available this
will not be mentioned when you receive your verdict from the DWP hence the reason why everybody should
record the assessment. Further to this, the recording (if the atos hcp allows) will not correspond with what
the atos hcp has said. Given that most atos hcp refuse to continue with the assessment due to recording goes
to show that they are nothing more than liars and to call themselves Gp‘s, nurses etc is an insult to the real
caring medical profession. There is a mass of detail on the above mentioned website so take time to check it
out – it certainly makes you feel better when you know you have rights and don‘t be afraid to fight back – its
you or them. If the atos doctors continue to behave in the lying way they do then the oxford dictionary will
have to change the meaning of doctor from ‗trained in healing arts‘ to ‗persecutors of the sick‘. I hope I have
been able to help you move to your next plan of attack and the fightback to survival.
Comment by M enson — February 8, 2012 @ 12:52 pm
Can someone give me the address & telephone number to enable me to put in a complaint about the ‗Dr‘ I
saw for a so called ‗Medical‘ for DLA. last week…..The whole thing was a complete ‗sham‘ from start to
finish, i honestly felt like i was being interviewed by the Police for some serious crime!!…..right from the
beginning i knew i was wasting my time & decided to myself that he just didnt know what he was doing
….early into the ‗Medical‘ when discussing health issues i had put on my claim form, i mentioned a cancer
related condition to which he screwed up his face looked confused and asked what it was ….the main
reason..I was actually there was regarding arthiritus in my knee and hip, ..the questions i was asked were
ridiculous !!…ie how many times a day do i brush my teeth !!……the physical examination was pathetic i
was asked to bend my knees roll up my trousers to enable him to see my knees then all he did was touch
each knee…..he didnt even look at my hip ie check rotation mobility stiffness etc !!…..in the past i had
arthiritus in my other hip which has now been replaced so i do know what an examination of the hip entails
as ive had them many times over the last 10yrs……..fortunately my Son was with me so all this was
witnessed, on leaving the examination he shook my Son‘s hand thanked him for coming along and
completely ignored me……What a nightmare the whole thing is, these so called Dr‘s shouldnt be allowed to
get away with treating human beings in this manner !!!……I left there feeling terrible, stressed and confused
by it all…..
Comment by confused — February 17, 2012 @ 1:50 pm
Hi Confused………….. ATOS Hea;thcare Albert Bridge House Manchester, address should be at the top of
your appoontment letter. Sned by guranteed delivery (expensive but worth it as you can track it progress)
and also get your appeal in now…………. they have to pay you until the appeal is heard. List every single
thing they asked or did not ask, tell them that you were treated with contempt (which you most certianly
were) get you son as well to write and enclose his letter with yours…………. they should offer at least to re-
examnie you BUT do NOT accept the same DR!
Comment by Christine — February 17, 2012 @ 4:05 pm
Hi Christine, thankyou…I completed my DLA reclaim form in Nov, i got a letter in early Jan telling me i
was no longer entitled to DLA,apparently they had requested a report off my consultant which they didnt
get, according to my consultants secreatry they never received a request for a report i sent the appeal form
off and in the meantime i managed to get a written report off my orthopaedic consultant which i sent to
them, then i got the appt for the sham medical, since writing my first blog earlier ive phoned dla for a copy
of the ‗dr‘s‘ report to be told a decision was made yesterday that i am not entitled to dla, & that ill have to
wait 2-3 wks for copies of all the paperwork for tribunal…..so my feelings about the ‗medical‘ being a
complete waste of time were right……cant wait to go through the report !!……..
Comment by confused — February 17, 2012 @ 7:19 pm
Thats rubbish! They have the report there or they wouldn‘t have made the assessment……..keep harrying
them to give that report to you! HAd the very same thing, when I threatened them with legal action they
caved in……….. sometimes you have to be prepared to really threaten them to get a result. They turned
down my DLA and then when I told them a solicitor was waiting to sue the pants off them then they
reversed the decison, have been awarded it now for an indefintie period…Tell your MP dr, anyone who can
help get this sorted, they really hate it when you fight back
Comment by Christine — February 17, 2012 @ 8:12 pm
Ill start harrassing them on Monday…..and threatening them……when you threatened them with legal
action Christine were you at the stage waiting for a tribunal ?…..apparently when they didnt receive my
consultants report they wrote to my gp, i got a copy of his report this morning and was shocked to see he had
only put o/a in my knee and my other illness on his report, but had omitted o/a of my hip !!…when in fact its
my hip that mostly causes me the mobility problems & his other mistake was that he put the date of my
replacement op wrong he was 6mths out !!…when i mentioned this to dla earlier today they just didnt want
to know….ive got an appt with my gp nxt fri when ill be confronting him and pointing out his mistakes ……
Comment by confused — February 17, 2012 @ 11:05 pm
Yes was waiting for a tribunal hearing, passed that with flying colours,was in for about 5 minutes and they
gave the decision the day after as they had quite a few to get through. Sentthe copy of the judgement to the
DlA lot and got it all reinstated straight away……….. they hate being wrong! Good idea as well to go see
your gp…………. tell him to get the facts correct and inform DLA at once!
Comment by Christine — February 18, 2012 @ 1:07 am
I graduated in Medicine back in 1996 (MB, ChB Bristol) and currently work as a Locum SHO up North (not
a particularly stellar career I must admit).
Can tell you from the grapevine that no self-respecting British qualified Doctor with any credibility would
touch ATOS with a bargepole.
They employ those who simply cannot find work elsewhere.
Comment by James — February 18, 2012 @ 9:01 pm
Thanks for the confirmation, we have known for a long time that ATOS healthcare have to scour the dregs
of Europe for people to carry out their dreadful work.
The Senior Nurse in my own GPs practice was offered a position as a Health care professional a few years
back, she said at first blush the contract was very enticing, I asked her why didn‘t she take the job ? she
replied I continued to read the contract..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — February 18, 2012 @ 11:17 pm
How on earth are they getting away with it !!….cant wait to get my report and google his name because im
100% sure he wont be qualified in orthopaedics…so therefore his report should not over-ride an orthopaedic
surgeons report, i mean c‘mon we want the organ grinder not the monkey…..i just wish i had read this page
before i went then my medical would have gone completely different, i wouldve stopped the medical myself
within the first 4mins & questioned him….i still cant believe this has happened, its a nightmare, to think hes
sat there & read my consultants report & still not carried out the examination correctly ….its a joke, theyre
the fraudsters & they have the cheek to make out its us !!….im so angry !!….Does anyone klnow what info
the dla give these dr‘s about us for the medical ???………last night a friend of mine got rushed into hospital,
i couldnt use my car as its not taxed as from yesterday cos my dla has stopped, so i borrowed my son‘s car
went down to the hospital, couldnt park anywhere near the hospital as my blue badge is out of date now too,
finally found a parking place but there was no way i couldve walked that far it was impossible..so had to go
back home, & tomorrow ive got to go and queue up for god knows how long at the local dvla to tax my
car….how damm inconvenient !!…..Ill be certainly phoning dla in the morning and giving them a piece of
my mind and forwarding a complaint ……ive also got an appt with my gp on friday when ill be confronting
him about his 2 mistakes he made on my dla report and ill certainly suggest to him that maybe he should
think about working for ATOS !!!…..
Comment by confused — February 19, 2012 @ 10:07 am
Yes James, ATOS do you use doctors who can‘t find work elsewhere which says a lot for those who atos
employ – either total failures or are doctors for the sake of being a doctor and nothing more. If this
behaviour continues by atos then the meaning of doctor will have to be changed from ‗the art of healing‘ to
‗the persecution of the sick‘. Thank goodness there are pro‘s like yourself who know what the DWP and
ATOS are doing and have walked away from the temptation of a nice weekly salary – don‘t know how these
doctors sleep in their beds at night. One thing I have learned is that the atos doctors (liars) are not to keen to
continue with any assessment where the client chooses to record – I will be recording mine whether they like
it or not and from there one is in a position to assess what is put in writing with what is recorded – I will be
very happy to go to court should any irregularities be listed. At the end of the day this whole matter relates
to money and nothing more and given the amount of money paid to the atos doctors on a weekly basis is
probably the amount of money paid to 15 claimants per week so how on earth can anyone say a dwp
claimant is a ‗scrounger‘ and ‗fraudster‘ – the real fleecers are those working in and for government.
Comment by M enson — February 19, 2012 @ 3:07 pm
any meetings one has with these people should be recorded – so buy yourself a dictaphone and demand it be
recorded – at the end of the day its not illegal and your right given that you are party to the conversation.
Visit consumer defence league website and download a document which relates to questions you should ask
the doctor before any assessment takes place- it appears that the atos doctor will refuse to continue with the
medical as he/she/they do not wish to find themselves wrapped up in a legal battle coupled with the fact that
what is recorded will have to correspond with the written document.
Comment by M enson — February 19, 2012 @ 3:15 pm
hi all had an appointment with tribunal for dla appeal today at 1.20 pm , 10.35 am phone call appointment
cancled they want a doctor to visit me at home . no surprize there ( only the timing ). will record the
conversation as advised but not sure if i can record it with video , dont think so . but will post a new thread
as to what questions he asks ,as i suffer with asthma arthritis of both knees and lower back ,also tendonitus
of most joints , which i have medical proof to back this up.will get back as soon as he has left the house .
another tactic by (twatoso) the way atos operate
Comment by terry lock — February 27, 2012 @ 12:52 pm
I would certainly apply any means and where video is not permissable would continue with a recorded
assessment – at the end of the day this is not illegal given that you are party to the conversation. One thing to
bear in mind is that the hcp for atos will not be happy to have anything held on them and will do their
upmost to resist such filming or recording – stand your ground and state the bogus medical will be recorded.
Chances are they will refuse to carry out the assessment and leave. It might be wise for you to
visit http://www.consumer defence league website – click on forums and enter atos recordings in the search
area this will bring up some material for you to browse and there is a document within for you to download
and read to the atos doc prior to any medical being carried out. Hope you get sorted with irrelevant info prior
to the medical and wish you good luck. You must tell the atos hcp about any filming or recording and don‘t
let them fill your head with piffly crap that its not legal to do such – it is for the reason I stated above. We
are all aware these bogus medicals result in false information for the purpose of benefit so by having
recorded info will make your life easier when taking your claim further ie appeals etc should this be the
Comment by Anonymous — February 27, 2012 @ 1:29 pm
Would appreciate it if you went to the
forum http://dwpexaminations.blacktrianglecampaign.org/phpBB3/ and let them know as well, you can copy
and paste it of course..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — February 27, 2012 @ 2:02 pm
ok thanks for the advise by anonymous ,i think i can video it ,so i will use my webcam ,also will check the
link out now thanks again for the advise
Comment by terry lock — February 27, 2012 @ 3:49 pm
My twin boys had a DLA Tribunal hearing in Dec, which were both adjourned as the Panel wanted more ‖
HMCTS to commission a report from a Healthcare professional relating to disability living allowance‖ (very
hostile Judge and disabled rep). We had the Dr. come around a few weeks back, general banter I say ‗well
you know whats it‘s like in the NHS‖! He replies clear as day, ―actually NO I have never worked within the
NHS‖. This Dr. was definitely of English decent in his mid 60′s I would have thought. Anyway got reports
back today, Headed Disability and Carer‘s Service DLA Examination Report not quite the independent
report I had been lead to believe it should have been given it was commissioned by the should be
Independent Tribunal Service. Well fight is on know we know what we are up against!!
Comment by Anonymous — March 2, 2012 @ 9:07 pm
It‘s a myth that the tribunal service are independent from the DWP/ATOS they work in conjunction with
each other, they‘re not supposed to but they do, and will deny it if challenged…!! Why else would you get a
hostile Judge and Disabled representative ?.
It‘s a scam, I lost an appeal last year around the time that the tribunal service were letting ATOS HCPs in
the back door to re-examine appellants files, they stopped it when they were found out but that was to late
for me, a couple of months later I went to an appeal with the exact same evidence and my appeal was
allowed. Figure that one out ?.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 2, 2012 @ 10:13 pm
in reply to your feed you have to fight on – get yourself a dictaphone and make the other party aware that
you intend recording the meeting – take no crap or excuses from them that such cannot be done – it can as
long as you are party to the conversation. Don‘t deal via telephone – make sure you have a paper trail from
the institutions – via phone they will deny anything said (in short unplug your phone between 8am & 8pm
and tell your family to text you if you have a mobile and only connect your phone if you have to make a
call). In relation to british gp‘s working for atos, they are a disgrace and one will usually find they are
bordering retirement, retired or struck off and I can‘t wait for my time to come before them (I‘m an injured
NHS employee or just a number should I say) and the question i will ask is, bearing in mind we are con
artists claiming benefit (so they think) ‗ you have been treating sick and disabled people for x number of
years at the expense of the taxpayer yet all of a sudden your contract changes to atos and you are no longer
involved the art of healing but more a persecutor of the sick – who‘s the con artist now!!! This is about
money and one keeping there heads above water – the atos lot get around £1200 + per week to deprive a sick
person of approx £70.00 per week – disgrace – how do they sleep in their beds at night. Stick in their and
fight every financial avenue. Me, they pay £5000 per year, I was earning that in 1984, to keep me in prison
for a year would cost approx £45-50,000 per year + plus someone would be keeping check on my human
rights which we do not have on the outside world + plus there are no places either ( its a luxury now to be in
prison – have to go on the waiting list until an available place becomes vacant – it would solve my problems
wondering if I could be homeless next week)!! FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE ENTITLED
Comment by Anonymous — March 2, 2012 @ 11:41 pm
such as your case we find out who really sticks by who? I am waiting to face all these people and can‘t wait.
You say in these tribunals there are a judges etc and if i disagree with their with verdict will no doubt
proceed to court. I recently had a court hearing whereby a judge agreed that my health problems would go
against the respondent – so what is the difference against the dwp – I will fight every avenue – self
represented as I no longer trust solicitors (I fought one of them in court over bad malpractice – beat that
person as well – self represented as no other solicitor would take the case on)!! Fight on buddy – when you
are on state benefit there is nothing left to lose – apart from a basic quality of life. Check
out http://www.consumerdefenceleague – and go to forum and enter atos medicals or anything dwp related
regarding esa etc and there is a wealth of info for you. Good luck to you – I went to work and ended up a ‗so
called scrounger‘ because of an employment injury‘ – disgrace!! will keep the forum informed when my
they call me in – god help them – as thatcher said (I‘m not a thatcherite supporter or a tory) ‗the lady is not
for turning!!!!!!!and this lady ain‘t!!!!!
Comment by Anonymous — March 3, 2012 @ 12:15 am
Thatcher was a saint compared to this lying madman we have at the helm (And I hate Thatcher) this guy
listens to know one, respects no opinion, is a compulsive liar and is totally obsessed with giving as much of
our money to slimy corporate companies as he can.
After the next election the Conservatives will be finished probably for ever, and the Lib-dems too, can‘t
forget those pieces of trash.
The worst British Government ever known..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — March 3, 2012 @ 4:15 am
Re: 140. Can I ask if I am right on this please, A DLA Tribunal hearing is an open court is this so? If so
would it be ok for me to invite some friends along to my son‘s hearings, so that they can see what goes on at
these things! Another point the dear Dr. that wrote the medical report has put; in the section, Summary of
functional ability, Variability,
―He plays many musical instruments‖ (yes my son plays Guitar, keyboard, electric drums) to me this
comment is a tad discriminatory – You have a disability therefore no way can you play an instrument- Little
info here! my son has a genetic disorder that has left him with a dysfunctional Autonomic nervous System
all his bodily functions are effected, yes he can play instruments when felling ok, but in an adapted way, and
for short periods of time. But this comment implies that he play an instrument thus he must feel/be ok
enough to do everything else, at that time, this is not quite how it works in real life!!! Any way can I bring
this up in view of explaining that the Dr. is a tad off course when it comes to disability in the real world.
Comment by Anonymous — March 3, 2012 @ 8:05 am
just a quick update had a letter today from atos doctor to say he will call on sunday 18 march between 11-2
pm. phoned to find out
if he thought it was april 1st , he said no i will be there in the said time , i asked him if he has heard of
mothers day, his reply was
pardon , i said i thought so , he sounded about 65-75 years old and his of pakistan origin , so will have to
have my recorder ready
will make a note of all questions he asks and will update asap , many thanks
Comment by terry — March 13, 2012 @ 10:55 pm
Never heard of mothers day ?, it‘s because his mothers a bitch…LOL.
Please update and keep us informed Terry, and good luck..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — March 13, 2012 @ 11:09 pm
yes will do , kinda makes you think if atos celebrate xmas or anything , they prob celebrate when you lose
your appeal for dla lol?.
will be back in touch , thanks all
Comment by terry — March 14, 2012 @ 10:29 am
Makes you wonder if they have time to spend the money they are constantly trying to earn, never got
enough, wouldn‘t matter how much they earned…LOL.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 14, 2012 @ 4:11 pm
Very glad i found this website,very informative.I myself have to go to a ATOS medical in 2 wks time,kinda
know now what to expect!!!
Comment by Colin — March 15, 2012 @ 4:49 pm
Cheers Colin, and good luck..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — March 15, 2012 @ 6:29 pm
well had my home visit from atos yesterday,the mechanic called about 11.45 i was in bed as i siffer with
arthritis of the back knees and hands also depression ,asthma , gave me a 15 min oral exam and a 16 min
physical examination, would not allow me to record it but was happy for my partner to take notes , asked me
for a list of my medication which my partner gave to him and
how long i had been suffering with arthritis and tendonitis ,told him three years , how long have i been
suffering with depression i said 7 years
ok i will ask you some basic questions do you know your name and date of birth (lol) i replied yes thank you
, well can you tell me please
so i told him ,then he asked me my age , i told him .he then noticed my 26 in tv on the wall and said do you
watch a lot of tv , i replied no as i cannot concentrate on anything ( and that was my test for depression ). he
then tried to give me a physical examination , asked me to bend my knees i told him i could not ,so he ended
that . then asked me to get out of bed , which i replied i cannot without the help of my partner ,so he asked
my partner if she could help me , so after a 3 min struggle i stood up on my cruches ,he then asked if i could
walk the 4 metres to my bathroom . i gave it my best shot but could only manage 2 metres then almost fell
OK thats enough you can get back in bed now thank you .
asked me why i was sweating ,i replied its the oramoph along with the 200 mg of trazodone and the 10 mg
patches of morphine i take also the pain killers ,oh ok he replied and that was more or less it . i did ask for
his gmc number which he gave to me , i also asked for his field of expertise ,he replied geriatrics,i said
wonderful just what i need ,he looked at me oddly. the total time was 31 mins, ps on the way back down the
stairs my partner noticed him counting the steps ,so as he got halfway down she told him 12 and he replied
ok thank you. ( but i had already told him i dont go downstairs unless i have an appointment with my gp or
hospital ). asked if i could see his report but he refused and said i could obtain a copy from dwp in 2 days, i
did not sign it which ticked him off ,i said im not signing anything i cant read . ok ok he replied . so now i
have to wait for
my tribunal hearing and of corse my report from dwp tomorrow ( should make for good reading) . ok i will
update as soon as i have had my tribunal
good luck all and thanks for reading
Comment by terry — March 19, 2012 @ 3:28 pm
Good Luck …
Comment by confused — March 19, 2012 @ 4:06 pm
It‘s an absolute nonsense that someone with your health problems have to go through that, and to think that
people like yourself have been in the past told they are fit for work, and ATOS wonder why people hate
them so much, they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
At the moment ATOS are struggling to cope so they are allowing so many people through with ESA, but
almost always the WRAG variety and hoping they won‘t appeal, if you get the WRAG and want to appeal
for the support group then let us know and we can help give you a start up the greasy appeal pole.
On the other hand if they dare say you are fit for work, then of course you have no option but to appeal,
welfare rights will help and so can we on the forum, up to a
Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 4:08 pm
Does anyone know what ‗Medical Practitioner‘ actually means ?…….the ejit who did my medical just had
his name followed by medical practitioner ….no Dr…..
Comment by confused — March 19, 2012 @ 4:10 pm
thank you all for your advise i have taken it onboard and will update asap thanks again
Comment by terry — March 19, 2012 @ 5:51 pm
A medical Practioner according to ATOS don‘tcare is someone trained (Couple of weeks) in disability
analysis, also known as Health care professionals, this is a cover to cater for the various dross (Can‘t get
decent British DRs) they pick up from all over the world, some of whom are not even registered to practice
in this Country.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 8:17 pm
if you have the idiots name and registration number then you can go to the GMC council website and enter
his details to see if he is registered. I think medical praticitioners are as near as damn it doctors but he could
also be a junior doctor – not too sure. Nevertheless none of them are qualified properly in disability. At the
end of the day all they are in it for is the big wage at the end of the week. But hey, get us all back to work
then they‘ll be out of work as they won‘t have anyone to medical!! if everyone keeps appealing, the whole
system will collapse and hopefully take atos with it.
Comment by Anonymous — March 19, 2012 @ 8:50 pm
The GMC site is good for letting you know if that health worker (lets call it that) is registered, but the GMC
are totally useless if you have a complaint regarding a DRs malpractice. They can‘t even stop these foreign
DRs from practicing here, so says the Daily mail online this morning.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 9:31 pm
Thx dwpexamination & annon…..ill take a look at GMC, got his name but not his reg no, just been going
through his ‗report‘, nearly run out of highlighting pen .:)……seeing my Consultant on Fri going to get a
report off him for my tribunal n looking fwd to seeing what he has to say about that idiots ‗report‘…….im
sure they make it this stressful in the hope that people will give up n not bother appealing….its absolutely
Comment by confused — March 19, 2012 @ 9:39 pm
i am led to believe that all doctors etc have to register and be licensed to practice in this country – where
they aren‘t registered /licensed can be reported to gmc and be struck off. Check out an aticle sometime ago
think it was called – atos doctors could be struck off (Newspaper) – just enter it into your comp and it should
come up. I have a head to head with these numpty‘s soon and i will be recording and have a witness to take
minutes of the whole thing. will update this website when it happens.
Comment by deleted — March 19, 2012 @ 9:41 pm
i am led to believe that all doctors etc have to register and be licensed to practice in this country –
where they aren’t registered /licensed can be reported to gmc and be struck off.
Have a look at the following article in the Daily mail online and see if you still believe it ?. As I said the
GMC are paper tigers.
Absolutely shocking isn‘t it ?.
Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 10:42 pm
You can get the details from the GMC site ok, but don‘t expect anything from them, for the reason why ?
please refer to the link I supplied in answer to Deleted/s post.
Never mind here‘s it‘s here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2116878/Danger-doctors-ignoring-
Comment by dwpexamination — March 19, 2012 @ 10:49 pm
You could look the following up:
Training and Development Unit
Guidance for Health Care Professionals undertaking Disability Living Allowance / Attendance Allowance
Version: 11 Final 11th January 2012
I found it so very informative! Does sort of explain about DR. HCP‘s though.
Comment by Anonymous — March 21, 2012 @ 11:44 am
Can anybody please tell me if it is acceptable to have an ATOS medical carried out by a Nurse? My
previous medicals were done by ATOS ―doctors‖ and I wondered if there is a case for complaint as she
failed me with 0 points and I have 2 complicated problems one being purely orthopaedic and the other
Comment by Gail — April 2, 2012 @ 1:38 pm
That‘s a good question Gail and has been asked many times over the last three years, in fact that question
bothered ATOS so much that they decided to stop playing Doctors and nurses, they now call themselves
Disability analysts or Health care professionals, this is their way round it, and I think you will find that‘s the
answer they will give you if you ask them.
They (ATOS) also stopped calling their assessments as medicals, that‘s right they no longer call them
medicals they are functional assessmentsand if you ask why they need DRs or nurses if they are not
medicals ? then the answer is ‖Well they have a medical component‖ it‘s all mixed signals though because if
you look at the booklet (WCA AL1C) that comes with the letter demanding you attend their assessment,
then you will notice it says on there ”About your medical assessment” so between the DWP and ATOS
they haven‘t got a clue what they are doing.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 2, 2012 @ 2:03 pm
i agree with you Gail as had one of these assessment recently had only just had stitches out of hand the day
before but it was a nurse who scored me 0 points too although the condition i suffer from is incurable and i
am certain she had idea of this condition and she has overridden a specialist who did the op
off her own bat she has decided how long it will take my hand to heal in 6 to 8 weeks when it is 3 to 6
months to even see if the op has worked
even if the op worked it will not cure me as it will keep recurring
would not have minded so much if she had any knowledge of the condition as far as i could tell did not
realise it involves nerve tissues and everything else
Comment by june — April 2, 2012 @ 7:46 pm
I wish I‘d known about this forum before my ‗functional assessment‘. I stupidly and naively went along with
no clue what I was doing. I have been diagnosed with mental health problems, and am on medication. I was
pleased that I turned up punctually at my appointment, because I have agarophobia, and there‘s no knowing
when I will be able to go outside – I have to wait and see. I even told the ‗nurse‘ how pleased I was with
myself. Today, I got a phone call from the ‗decision maker‘ telling me that I will, from today, be ineligible
for ESA – I never asked to go onto it in the first place, it was recommended to me by the job centre clerk. So
what do the children and I do for income? I can‘t apply for JSA because I‘ve received ESA this calendar
month (It‘s precisely the same amount). Desperately frightened now. I don‘t know where to turn.
Comment by Migimoo — April 4, 2012 @ 2:38 pm
There is something you can do, first of all you don‘t have to sign on, so what‘s left ? you can appeal and get
the assessment rate, it‘s the same money anyway (Rent rebate etc) as Job seekers allowance and if you win
your appeal then all the extra money they owe you is all backdated, if you were unfortunate and lost the
appeal then you pay them nothing.
So by appealing you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. You may ask how do I appeal ?.
Well the first thing you do is ask the DWP for the ESA 85 ATOS report (That‘s the report on your health
and is what the DWP based their decision on) and also the score sheet, you also ask for a GL 24 appeal
When they all arrive from the DWP you have a good look at the ESA 85 report and you will see all the lies
the HCP told the DWP about you.
Then you can start your appeal, it would probably be a good idea in the meantime to get in contact with
welfare rights or the CAB because they can help you fill it all in and keep you on the right road.
Almost everyone fails the assessment and most get zero points but thousands have went on to win their
appeals, it‘s all a scam, it‘s a con, they hope you will give up and don‘t bother them, so don‘t fall for it,
appeal and win, as I said you have absolutely nothing to lose if you appeal.
Comment by dwpexamination — April 4, 2012 @ 3:23 pm
Im worried sick about my medical.
I suffer severe depression and anxiety i barely leave my home.
My mother was seriously ill due to anorexia and alcohol issues in her younger years. Dhe also suffered
anxiety n depression. My mum had this medical and was denied her benefit. A month later she gied at aged
39 due to sudden cardiac arrest. Bare in mind she had been in intensive care with phnumonia and a heart
attack the year before. Anyway we finally recieved a new form to reapply after an appeal on the day of her
I am now 21 & had to take on the family home and billd, funeral cost ect.
I cannot loose this money i have nightmares worrying what will happen to me and my younger brotherif i
was to loose my benefit. Our dad isnt around we have no one but eachother.
My illnrs ruined my life i had to leave college because of it and pretty much lost all contact with friends
because i cant go out because of this irrational fear of what could happen. My medcal is this week and i am
really bad with my condition. My mums anniversary is coming up so its extremely hard and also i have
noone to go with or transport.
Im so worried i have anxiety attacks thinking about it.
Comment by misso — April 17, 2012 @ 12:35 pm
You are not alone, you have found us and we will try help. It is not always easy to help and I often ask for
further details so I can help you to decide a course of action.
First please feel free to join our forum, you can sign up at dwpexamination.org and you will meet other
people in a similar situation to your own.
Next do not go to the assessment alone, try to get someone to go with you and take notes.
Read the informatrion on this blog and the forum for guidance on what to do during your assessment.
Good luck and keep us posted
Comment by dwpexamination — April 17, 2012 @ 3:27 pm
Had an ATOS‘ medical‘ in Feb, for my DLA…& lost it as ive posted previously,… anyway I went through
the eejit‘s report with a fine tooth comb, and after hours n hours i finally sent off 9 pages of submissions to
the Tribunal Service…Ive been told its gonna be at least July till i get a date for my Tribunal……since then
ive been struggling on income supoort emotionally and financially,…then low n behold this morning i got a
‗Limited Capability for Work Questionnaire‘ from the lovely ATOS !!!……..so its sure a knocking bet that
ill have to go through another pathetic ‗medical‘ and be refused again…how pathetic is this system
!!!!……cos i cant see one eejit from ATOS going against another ATOS eejit. in their decision….im just
hoping n praying i dont get the same so called ‗medical practitioner‘ that i had last time cos ill swing for him
……I really feel like just putting all my paperwork in the bin…..wtf are they trying to do to people !!!…this
is all so annoying as its all due to my GP not putting my main condition on the form the DLA sent to him to
complete, as the decision maker said she sent me for the ‗medical‘ as my GP‘s report was a bit sparse with
info …ive mentioned this to my GP many times, each time he replies it wont have made any difference
anyway, all the criteria has changed………i got DLA previously for o/a in my hip which i had replaced in
2009,when o/a started in my other hip…. so the only difference now is its in my right hip as opposed to my
left hip …and also in my knee….im slowly but surely losing my patience with my GP now as hes had ample
time to correct his mistake, and also on the same form he put my op date wrong he was 5 months out
!!!……….think i should suggest to him he goes n works for ATOS !!…..
Comment by confused — April 26, 2012 @ 2:04 pm
For people on the edge and thinking about giving up.
I have been fighting for help since October 2010, had two scam ATOS medicals and a real medical from a
real none greedy none bribe-taking Doctor.
As a result of my perseverance, as I too came very close to giving up, I have now had my decision reversed.
I have been to court twice, making me feel like a criminal, (never been to court before), had both hearings
adjourned, had a DWP representative present at both and was awaiting another court date when I received
the letter this morning informing me I have the higher rate mobility indefinitely and the lower rate care,
which I am not happy about as I had that already before they took it of me when I applied for mobility.
I am now awaiting the back pay so that I can stock the cupboards and start living a sort of normal life having
struggled on incapacity benefit for two years whilst having to pay for prescriptions, council tax and my
mortgage without any help.
Don‘t give up, fight this unjust corrupt system.
All these appeals are costing the government more than they are saving by denying people any resemblance
of a normal life.
Comment by Kev — May 14, 2012 @ 9:49 am
We urge everyone to appeal Kev, this system is corrupt to the core, we are up against serious criminals who
want to deny us our rights and eventually take them all away from us.
Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 10:59 am
Do you agree or disagree that the disabled are bearing the brunt ?.
Click on the link below and cast your vote.
Comment by dwpexamination — May 14, 2012 @ 7:49 pm
Check out my story people: I was zeroed too with fibromyalgia and the medical assessment was kept by a
bloody nurse! Guys this is not a game, this is dangerous. There are people who can loose their lives if they
can not access to non-supported medications. I would suggest let‘s find a way to get in touch with a human
rights organisation and flock together to do something. Because we are weak if we are split but very strong
and loud if we are together.
Comment by Tony — June 14, 2012 @ 7:15 pm
People are already losing their lives Tony, and we have been flocking together for at least three years, some
of us just haven‘t caught on yet http://www.dwpexamination.org
Comment by dwpexamination — June 15, 2012 @ 5:08 am
Hi everyone. I am having my fourth run-in with atos next Tuesday. I‘ve had dyspraxia all my life, severe
depression for most, and in more recent years- agoraphobia, sociaphobia, hypersomnia/insomnia, and a
weak back due to sleeping on a settee for several years when homeless. I was working part time until 2004
when I had a massive panic attack at work and nearly commited suicide. (I had started taking Prozac late
2003, and I am still on them today).
My experience with atos has been mixed but mostly negative. Back at the first exam I was still going out,
and so travelled to Truro in Cornwall. I needed my grandmother with me for moral support, and rescue
remedy to calm my nerves. I saw a complete IDIOT of an Indian, and we could barely understand one
another. Obviously I failed and immediately appealed. It was then I saw the ‗report‘ basically stating that
since I got in and out of the chair with no difficulty and was ‗well kempt‘ I was fit for work! The rest was
completey inaccurate or even fabricated altogether. I was angry and fairly rude in my written appeal and
made threats of MPs and newspapers…Funny enough I won. However they got their revenge.
By the second interrogation, I had deteriorated and was no longer going out. That, on top of my first
encounter prompted me to request a home visit–which was refused. I was informed that there was ‗not
enough evidence to suggest a home visit was warranted‘ and told to turn up or lose my benefit. I attempted
to go but had a huge panic attack and had to come back home. My money was stopped and I appealed again.
This time I lost and was told I had no right to appeal again against this decision. This left me hundreds of
pounds in debt with my family and I had to endure humiliating visits to the job centre whilst having panic
attacks and signing forms stating that I was able and willing to work when I was neither! I made a fresh
application for IS and was accepted no problems??!!
I have to be honest though, the third time was the charm. In early 2007, I was given a home visit straight
away with no wrangling. I had an absolute gem of a female German doctor. She seemed to be the exception
to the rule of atos; excellent spoken English, wonderfully pleasant, empathetic, kind, professional, and
genuine. She made me feel at ease and the exam was a joy from start to finish. I would imagine the report
was well done but I never saw it as I was passed—make of that what you will!!!
I was supposed to be due my next in 2009 but luckily was left alone until this ESA ‗migration‘ reached me
last winter. I filled in the WCA form which seemed slightly improved for mental health issues, and sent it in
last November…..I only heard back three weeks ago! And: Oh joy, a total cow. :-/ Very abrupt and
inflexible. She wouldn‘t get off the phone when my mother informed her that I was ill in bed–as if the world
would end if she didn‘t speak to me RIGHT NOW. My mother dug her heels in but compromised and told
her I would call back. After half a frigging hour of ―Welcome to BT answer‖ I got through. This so called
doctor sounded about eighty years old–couldn‘t find my file–and told me her name after I had already asked
for her by name! Then came the inflexibility again; she wanted a nine am appointment which I said was
unsuitable because of my terrible sleeping patterns. She started moaning about how difficult it was for her to
make visits all over the county and that she‘d have to juggle appointments, (my heart bled–not) she had also
ALREADY sent the letter without confirming the suitability of the time. (Which never turned up) She then
never bothered calling back until three weeks later.
Of course with all the horror stories of this new benefit system and atos‘ track record, I am stressing
something terrible and losing sleep over it. I am going to have my mother present for the exam, and after
reading these posts, am toying with the idea of her taking notes. I shall also request the report straight after
aswell, so thanks to everyone on here for their advice and I apologise for the ‗War and peace‘ post lol! Any
suggestions as to what my mother could make notes about?? I‘ll post updates—Cheers
Comment by Adz-angry-at-atos — June 20, 2012 @ 3:11 am
Only a person who is seriously ill would risk not turning up and lose all their benefits, ATOS and the DWP
have obviously noticed this and in my opinion are guilty of a great injustice, you are not the only one
because this has happened to thousands of people all over Britain, one day there will be a reckoning and
these bastards at ATOS/DWP will be held to account.
The main reason your mother should be present is for moral support, so any notes she takes should be to
compare with the ESA 85 assessment report, for instance if you are physically examined and what they
asked and did, sometimes ATOS claim on ESA 85s to examine physically but didn‘t bother, also take note
of the time the assessment started and finished, expect ATOS to give you a sob story about how your notes
cannot be used at any tribunal appeals.
If you are told this, then ask why he/she is talking about tribunals when you haven‘t even been assessed yet,
ask, what makes you think there might be a tribunal appeal ?, have you already made up your mind the result
of the assessment before I even got in the door.
Instead of taking notes though are you aware that you can now request that your assessment be
recorded by ATOS ? Chris Grayling has conceded this and has informed ATOS that anyone who asks for
their assessment to be recorded either in their home or at the ATOS centre then ATOS must acquiesce.
ATOS will do the recording and give you a copy of the digital CD. They sometimes complain because they
don‘t want to do it, and because they have only a limited amount of recording machines in the Country, they
may even say you can‘t get your assessment recorded, I can assure you that you can, plenty of people have
had recordings by ATOS. It‘s easy to see that this is better than taking notes, and also it‘s very difficult for
them to tell lies on the report because of the recording.
Comment by dwpexamination — June 20, 2012 @ 5:30 am
Thank you for your kind words and advice. That is MOST interesting! I had a quick google of that MP in
the context of atos and there was some V enlightening reading to be had. Our voices are evidently being
heard at least, if there is mass request for recording and the employment minister has had to comment.
Progress I‘d say. Will be contacting atos later today, (not the old crinkly) and politely demanding it is
recorded. We‘ll see what the reaction is, but I feel very much empowered now and shaln‘t back down! I‘ll
post the results! lol
Comment by Adz-angry-at-atos — June 21, 2012 @ 3:24 am
Well, I phoned atos and jc+. Made a note of times of the calls, but unfortunately forgot to take names. Got a
mumbling bloke at atos. Think he was harping on about not being able to have next Tuesday recorded (as in
new appt will have to be made which is fair enough), but thought he was saying it can‘t be done at all–so I
butted in with ―I AM ASSURED YOU CAN‖! hahaha. Then understood him a bit more as he told me my
file would be recalled from the ‗Dr‘ and some sort of ‗management‘ will be contacted to arrange a recorded
appt. ‗Might have to wait a while‘….I‘m migrating rather than a new claim so take ALL the time you
need!!! Bloke at jc said it was all hunky dory. Made a note on system apparently and notifying claims or
something. Informed them both that I‘ll be writing too and sending RECORDED delivery, so I‘ll stop
thinking about it for now and have some breathing space!
Comment by Adz-angry-at-atos — June 22, 2012 @ 6:21 pm
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/5828 please sign this Epetition about Atos Assessments
Comment by confused — July 3, 2012 @ 7:26 pm
Re. Recording an ATOS work capabilty asssessment. You don‘t need to buy a dictaphone. ATOS will
record the interview on professional equipment and give you a CD of the audio recording on the day. In
order to have your interview recorded phone this number in Leeds. Atos Healthcare Customer services.
Leeds 0113 2309175. If they try to fob you off ask to speak to Jeff Hampshire or phone him direct on Leeds
0113 2309136. Mine was recorded and I‘m so glad it was
Comment by Anonymous — July 8, 2012 @ 11:47 am
Re. the above post, I missed the post by dwpexamination @179. so a double post. Still, mine does also
contain a contact number so hope that helps.
Comment by Anonymous — July 8, 2012 @ 11:53 am
After a heart attack in 2001 I suffered a full stroke last November (‘11) leaving me with aphasia, and it‘s
possible my heart was affected – strokes can affect the system in many ways. I‘m in receipt of Incapacity
Benefit and Pension Credit – I‘m 62. I understand that I was supposed to be assessed for the WCA by Atos
but I‘ve head nothing. I‘ve heard that the over 60s, especially those who can claim Pension Credit, have
been quietly shunted to one side – the DWP can‘t impose sanctions because those involved can simply claim
100% Pension Credit until they qualify for the State Pension. I feel for those under what is now 61. Perhaps
Cameron and his ilk have a use for us – making Soylent Green.
Comment by Wildswimmer Pete — August 15, 2012 @ 1:17 pm
Thanks Pete, maybe one day we will get rid of them eh ?. Maybe..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — August 15, 2012 @ 2:35 pm
I have a medical coming up on the 6th of September with atos are they as bad as iv heard
Comment by wayne tyrrell — August 16, 2012 @ 6:02 pm
They are your worst nightmare, Freddy and Jason with a little bit of Iain Duncan Smith all rolled in to one,
but don‘t take my word for it, the ATOS Health care professional didn‘t acquire the soubriquet ”THE
SMILING ASSASSIN” for nothing.
Put it another way, have you ever heard anyone saying something positive or good about them ?…..Neither
Comment by dwpexamination — August 16, 2012 @ 6:17 pm
Failed my atos assessment in dec 2011 (0 points) With the backing of my GP and a letter supporting my
appeal against the decision i finally had my tribunal hearing on monday.My welfare rights advisor also
submitted a submission to say that according to the descriptors i should have been awarded 27 points and
recommended i should be placed into the support group.Tribunal was held in magistrates court and believe
me when i say i felt intimidated more by the attitude of the GP and the Judge than the architecture.I knew
within 4 – 5 minutes i had no hope.After the hearing i was told i would recieve a decision letter within the
next few days.Yesterday i recieved that letter….0 points awarded!
The attitude of the tribunal judge and GP made me wonder if i would find anything out about them on the
net? I found out that the GP has appeared before the GMC in 2007 and has had restrictions placed upon her
for the rest of her career..although they do not seem to appear to restrict her being a tribunal GP for the
DWP. Some of the proven charges included the with holding of 48 patients records,declaring herself sick
and taking leave from a practice whilst working at another,and she has been found unfit to work in a practice
single handedly.This is the character of people they are letting decide our fate.
Comment by rob — August 24, 2012 @ 7:13 pm
What you need to do is ask the appeal panel for a statement of reasons for their refusal to award you
benefits, the welfare rights officer may be doing that for you, sometimes they don‘t bother telling the
appellant, they just get on with it, so it might be a good idea to write to welfare rights and ask them are they
It takes a while to get a statement of reasons, there‘s a certain procedure they have to go through, need to ask
them permission first (Stop laughing) of course the panel will refuse permission, that‘s standard, then it goes
on and on, obviously all designed to drive everyone involved round the twist.
When you read the statement of reasons you can scan it for mistakes in law, the welfare rights officer will do
that, you just might be able to claim that the Dr had no right to be on that panel, you can ask your welfare
rights officer that question, just ask the welfare rights on the same letter.
I remember a couple of years ago I was reading about a fellow who went to an appeal and when he got there
he noticed that he‘d seen the Dr somewhere before, he wracked his brains, nope couldn‘t remember, he left
the tribunal with zero points, was going down the road and BAM it hit him, he remembered where he had
seen him before, yes you guessed, the Dr on the tribunal panel worked for ATOS, and not only that had
actually assessed him before in the past.
He demanded a statement of reasons and with the help of welfare rights he argued that his appeal was unfair
because the Dr on the panel had a conflict of interests, the Commissioner agreed and ordered a fresh appeal
hearing which he won.
So you see there is hope still..!!
Comment by dwpexamination — August 24, 2012 @ 11:20 pm
Thank you for the advice.You are right,the Tribunal didn‘t tell me on the way out i can request a statement
of reasons so will be getting onto that on Monday.The welfare rights officer is as hard to get hold of as a
greased pig! I rang the day i got the notice of decision from tribunal and awaiting a call back within next
This morning i am facinc a possible long wait in casualty as for the last 3 days now i have had severe pain
down c-spine shoulders arms and pins and needles in hands and feet so i don‘t think i can put off a visit any
longer! I had a carbon fibre disc replacement 2 years ago in my c-spine and i am hoping it isnt on its way out
of position.Had this been last monday the tribunal would have sen this monkey in his natural habitat,so to
speak,but i doubt i would have got a single point had i been dragged in inside a body bag!!!!!!
Best wishes and thanks for the advice.
Comment by rob — August 25, 2012 @ 7:27 am
Cheers…by the way, you don‘t need to actually speak to the welfare rights officer, as I said just send them
letters and correspond. Also I can tell you the appeal panels never ever tell a person they have a right to
request a statement of reasons, one reason is that it‘s more work for the judge, the Judge needs to sit and
write all that out and explain why they refused your appeal, and probably that‘s the reason why the Judge
has the more powerful vote. That‘s right, very few people know that, the voting on these panels are not
equal, the Doctor on the panel can give you ESA but if the judge disagrees ? guess what ?.
Comment by dwpexamination — August 25, 2012 @ 7:47 am