ESP 437 Assignment Two ‘Group Skills Development and Analysis Task’ Table of Contents Introduction Comparison Chart Quote Chart Analysis Professional Application Attendance Chart Work Responsibility Chart Group Work Conclusion References Appendix Task One Scenario Task One Decision Task One Transcript Task Two Scenario Task Two Transcript Task Two Decision Introduction: A social skill is defined as a behaviour that is directed towards another person or group, or additionally, is demonstrated in the presence of others (What is a Social Skill, n.d.). These skills are characterised by specific aspects which identify them distinctively as social. Only when a skill helps an individual achieve a goal; is based on a desire to further a relationship with others; is genuine and respects the rights of others; and is appropriate to the situation (based on societal norms), can it be defined as social (What is a Social skill, n.d.). Further, a social skill has the potential to be measured, developed and assessed (What is a Social Skill, n.d.). The following document relates to a group’s development of eight specific social skills, including: - Active listening - Respectful disagreeing - Using I-messages in non-polarising ways to express person opinions - Positive tracking - Summarising and looking for agreement - Suggesting and persuading - Including others - Negotiation To refine these skills, the group engaged in two decision-making tasks, which required them to negotiate a resolution to two hypothetical scenarios. The first task took place early on in the process and an analysis of their discussion provided the opportunity for group members to identify their weaknesses and strengths in the above skills. The second task took place several weeks later, giving group members time to practice and improve in these areas. An analysis of this second discussion illustrated the progress the group had made in the development of applying their social skills to decision-making situations. The following sections of this document analyse and provide evidence of the group’s progress. Comparison: The following chart illustrates the frequency of which each social skill was exercised throughout both decision-making tasks: 90 82 80 76 70 60 Discussion 1 Discussion 2 50 40 30 27 25 21 17 18 20 9 9 8 10 7 8 5 5 5 2 0 SLA AL PT RD N IO SP NP IM AL: Active Listening RD: Respectful Disagreeing NPIM: Non-Polarising I-Messages PT: Positive Tracking SLA: Summarising and Looking for Agreement SP: Suggesting and Persuading IO: Including Others N: Negotiation ***Conclusion/summary of data*** Quotes: The table below provides specific examples of how the group exercised each of the specified social skills: Discussion Skill Quote 1 or 2 Scary: well that’s probably a bit fairer to everybody else as well. Ginger: and the other family members too. Is that what you mean? Like the other family members would still have them too 2 like it’s just not for us? Active Listening Posh: don’t you mean its only one of our grandpas? Scary: yeah Ginger: She had, like, a hard time choosing what to do, like, by asking the other 1 people… Posh: Yeah I’d find it really hard Posh: I like that list... But I still don't know 1 about Tim Respectful Disagreeing Ginger: In theory I think ‘Oh the photo albums should go before the dog but in 2 real life I would definitely take the dog Baby: I'd take the kittens just because the kittens aren't going to be able to survive and we could probably find another way 2 to get the documents (regarding groups Expressing opinion in non- view that the kittens should got before the polarising ways documents) Baby: yeah I wouldn't, if I had a dog I wouldn't leave it (regarding groups view 2 that the dog should not be left behind) Baby: Yeah, like we've got so far we've got Tim, as number one, Debbie as number two, Greg as three and then the other two that don't care, OR, now it's a toss up Positive Tracking between whether Greg should be three 1 OR put down to number give, because he was just like whatever I hate you now, but the other two were just like listen it's none of our business". Posh: So are you happy to have the dogs, 2 the cats, the documents and the photo albums. That's fine? Scary: Yep, yep I mean that's a good, that's a good... Posh: so now we're just working out the order. Is that what we're doing? Scary: yep Scary: so is everyone all alright, all good with the order: Tim, Debbie, George, 1 Ann, Greg, Andrew Summarising and Looking Sporty: all right so the maybes are: ten for Agreement photo albums um yep, the cat and the five kittens, the only manuscript left of that 2 book that was written was that almost finished or something? Posh: But they elderly people they were like kind of nothing, like they’re not really low and they’re not really high like they just didn’t… they didn’t care but… was it 1 like… it’s none of their business really, for them to go up to them and be like hey, like who was she to them, like really Suggesting and Persuading (group laughs) Ginger: well nah I was just going to say thinking about it now I would sort of be inclined to put the documents second the dog third because the dog well as we said 2 before could probably survive, but I know in real life I wouldn’t do that so there’s probably no point in that. Posh (to Scary): all right, so you reckon the 2 pets first? Including Others Sporty: Umm…the photo albums, what are 2 we thinking? Posh: I would take the dog over the money. Sporty: I would personally but I suppose it depends on your economic situation as well. Five thousand dollars is a lot to some people. But it is a life... Negotiation Posh: I guess it is a stray dog like you’ve 2 gotta think like... Ginger: yeah and... Posh: and you’ve only had it ten months, like do you know what I mean Sporty: yeah like you haven’t grown an attachment Posh: yeah it’d be right Ginger: yeah I think the dog will be ok Posh: but we kind of seem like meanies being like yeah we want the money over the dog. Ginger: yeah I know! Scary: yeah but um oh I’ve forgotten what I was going to say yeah but wouldn’t you have formed an attachment within those ten months though? Like it would be like more like survival smart because it has been a stray but I think it depends on just how attached we are to it. Posh: why don’t you just like throw the ashes? Like as you go? Like into the water? And keep something else Posh: Yeah I’d find it really hard, like on the moral list, ‘cos Andrew’s down the bottom because he’s awful because he was just doing it for himself and then… Tim I’d put pretty bad because he didn’t go after his friend and be like look, you need to talk to her (group agrees), he just like said nah I’m gonna keep… I’m gonna stick with you Debbie (Ginger:Yeah) (group mumbles) and he probably touched her butt Ginger: And he didn’t ask the friend like either like oh is it ok if I take Debbie 1 Posh: Mmm Ginger: But then again he is taking care of her so I’d put him like not at the bottom Posh: Like in the middle (Group mumbles, agrees) Scary: I reckon I’d probably him higher because like, he’s the more compassionate one and just like understood, her situation more than… Baby: I’d put him, yeah, I wouldn’t put him top or anything (Scary: no) but I’d put him about three or four… I think Analysis: ***Introduction*** Active Listening: Active listening is displayed when the listener responds to the speaker in some way that assures them that they are being listened to (McGrath, n.d.). This can be demonstrated by simply saying something to acknowledge the speakers words, repeating or paraphrasing the discussion, or by asking a question of the speaker to prove that they are being heard. This was the most commonly used social skill throughout both group discussions, with discussion one showing 76 instances of this skill and discussion two showing 82. Despite its dominance however, it was perhaps the most difficult to capture in the transcripts. Simple words and noises, such as ‘yeah’ and ‘mmm…’ were repeatedly used by all members of the group to acknowledge each others views and opinions, but because some were so minor and indistinguishable, they were often overlooked in the transcription process and could only be captured audibly. More discernible displays of active listening (such as repetition and asking questions) were exercised throughout the second discussion as group members became more conscious of this skill. This was perhaps the most exercised skill as it is employed in everyday conversations, not only in decision- making discussions. This meant that group members were able to use this skill more naturally, allowing group members to feel comfortable and safe in the opinions they expressed. Respectful Disagreeing: Can be demonstrated by stating points of agreement, however small, before points of disagreement (McGrath, n.d.). For example, in discussion one, Posh stated that she liked the order of the list compiled by the group, but still wasn’t sure about the placement of Tim. The use of respectful disagreeing increased between discussion one and two, from five to seven. This could be contributed to the fact that group members were more aware of how they phrased their disagreements, so they did not sound like their suggestions negated the group’s progress so far. I-messages: An "I message" is a statement that tells the listener what you see, think, feel, or want, in an objective manner that does not assign blame or put the listener down (Denton and Kriete, 2009). This can be done, for example, by explaining any relevant personal experiences. I-messages can be presented to result in two possible outcomes: polarisation and non-polarisation. If the information is used in accordance with group consensus, it is said to be non-polarising. It acts as further evidence to strengthen the group’s opinion and consolidates the speaker as a supporter of this opinion. This occurred in discussion two as Sporty told the group that her personal experience with living in a bush fire prone area has taught her the importance of personal documents. Her I-message was consistent with the group’s view that it would be important to save the personal documents. Alternatively, polarisation of the group’s consensus can occur when I-messages are used to give new understanding of the situation. In the first discussion, many of the groups I-messages were polarising, perhaps due to the fact that group members interpreted the story differently and therefore did not have a consistent opinion of the argument. As the group engaged in the second discussion, polarising I-messages were still used, however, non-polarising I-messages increased from 9 to17. This may have been due to the fact that we were less confused about the situation and surer of our individual values placed on the different objects. Similar values helped the group reach consensus and this was reflective in the increased use of non-polarising I-messages. Consequently, the group was able to communicate more effectively and feel more confident harmonious in our end decisions Positive Tracking: McGrath (n.d.) describes positive tracking as commenting on what is going well and on good ideas and highlighting where agreement has been reached. Therefore, it can be summarised as focusing on the strengths, progress and positive aspects of the situation. In discussion one, positive tracking occurred twice. It's frequency increased in discussion two, occurring five times. A likely reason for this rise in frequency could be a simple as by the second discussion we had covered and been taught the social skill in class, therefore had obtained knowledge of how and when it should be used, as well as the positive impact it can have on the group reaching a decision. Another reason could be that all group members had gotten to know each other more by the second discussion and therefore felt more comfortable with each other. Because of this, we were able to express and share our opinions more openly and consequently the frequency increased. A third reason was that throughout the first discussion we got quite confused with the characters of the scenario and their actions. This made it difficult for us to make progress and come to conclusions on different things throughout the decision making process, meaning that there were less points for us to identify as "positive". In the second discussion however, our understanding was clearer, meaning that we were able to reach more decisions in a positive manner, therefore be able to use the skill of positive tracking more often. Summarising: Group Summarising (and looking for agreement on what’s left to be decided) can occur frequently when a group is discussing a problematic topic. It can be described as an individual making a comment which summarises what progress the group has made and/or what the group has agreed on so far and then identifying what’s left to be decided. (McGrath, n.d.) Therefore it is the process of making clear to other group members what has been discussed and what is left to be decided and is a very important skill to obtain throughout childhood, as it is necessary within schooling and working in fields which involve group work. It is a skill usually placed upon the leader of the group or the individual taking notes, as they are aware of what has been said by other members. Within discussion one group summarising occurred 18 times. This number increased to 21 in discussion two indicating several things as to the reasons for this rise. As a group we found the second discussion needed further summarising of which items had been chosen continuously by the note-taker of the group. Therefore it was necessary that we were told repeatedly what we had decided on and what we had left to decide on so we could continue to narrow down the options to take with us during the flood. We were a group that narrowed everything down at the start and needed to backtrack on our decisions, and so summarising needed to be done numerous times on what we had disregarded at the beginning. As a group we had gotten to know each other and it was clear from the first discussion we continually got confused with characters, what they had done and what we all thought of them. When we headed into discussion two we had this knowledge and so when we became confused instead of going along unsure of who or what we were discussing we questioned our note-taker and she summarised for us what we had decided on and what was left to be discussed. Suggesting and Persuading: Helen McGrath (n.d.) describes the social skill of suggesting and persuading as the ability to invite others to consider your suggested idea, and to then provide persuasive reasons that support this idea. This is seen as a learning-related social skill that should be used throughout collaborative learning as opposed to bulldozing and bossing. Suggesting and persuading appeared 27 times throughout the process of discussion one, whilst it appeared 25 times throughout discussion two. The difference between these two amounts of occurrence in each discussion appears to be too negligible to consider, or draw any definite conclusions from. This could be because the skill of suggesting as persuading in itself is a very natural skill that a group of people would demonstrate when completing this task in a group. As a solution must be reached by numerous people who will most likely have differing opinions, so suggestions must be made and people need to persuade the others of their suggestions. The appropriate and effective use of suggesting and persuading could, more than likely, come fairly easy to a university student (which all group members were) as they have already had much experience undertaking problems and assignments in the group format and hence would have already used and developed these skills in order to reap the benefits. Because of how natural it would have been for us to use suggesting and persuading, not much should have changed between the two conversations, which it did not. A possible reason for the slightly higher number of instances in discussion one (a difference of two instances), could be the fact that discussion one was a little bit longer in time than discussion two, hence had more opportunities for the instances of suggesting and persuading to be demonstrated. Including Others: McGrath (n.d.) defines including others as ‘trying to draw other group members into a discussion, negotiation or activity’. This is a key social skill to have within the schoolyard and workforce, it allows for positive relationships to develop with a simple initiation into discussions. It allows a further circulation of opinions by those not confident enough to speak without invitation and makes sure that one topic is able to be discussed as a whole group and not dominated by one single party or viewpoint. It can go hand in hand with the other social skills as it is necessary to include others to share the work load, negotiate and suggest and persuade opinions as there needs to be complete group involvement to be able to conduct discussions using these skills. The first discussion was longer than the second, we therefore found it to be more difficult to come to a conclusion than in the second, and needed the opinions of each group member to decide who to list as most moral characters to the least moral. Therefore it was necessary for us to question each other on our opinions more often than in the second discussion. In discussion one incidents of including others occurred 9 times whereas in discussion 2 they only occurred 8 times. The reason for this may be placed down to the fact we had all gotten to know each other since the first discussion. We attended classes together where we sat together, and had discussed the workload on the wiki page that had been set up for the purpose of the assignment. We were therefore comfortable enough with each other to state our opinions without needing to be asked by other group members Negotiation: Negotiation involves everyone having some input into a decision and gets something that they wanted, not all of what they wanted, in the final decision. It must also be ensured that all parties can live with the decision, even if it is not completely what they wanted. (McGrath, n.d.) Negotiation featured five times in discussion one, whilst it featured eight times in discussion two. Since the numbers being dealt with a small, a difference of three is notable enough to question why this may be the case. Negotiation was often quite difficult to find as most people in the group generally agreed with one another, even if they changed their minds later. However, there was a little bit more disagreeing occurring in the second discussion (as can be seen by the frequency of respectful disagreeing) which could be due to the fact that by discussion two, the group had already worked together for some time and hence felt more comfortable in disagreeing if they felt it necessary. This disagreeing meant that in order for one solution to be reached that each member of the group was somewhat satisfied with, negotiation needed to occur. Therefore more disagreeing leads to more negotiation necessary. Conclusion Professional Application: One example of where this One example of where this skill skill could be effective (if could be effective (if Skill successfully used) when successfully used) when interacting with colleagues interacting with students or parents Active Listening Is critical for interacting with Active listening will help to students, so they feel valued strengthen working and included and consequently, relationships between will be more engaged in the teachers, by assuring that classroom. It will further help the talker is being valued by to ensure students have the listener. This could be interpreted information extremely important if a correctly. When a teacher relationship is strained or repeats or rephrases a student's has come into conflict. For response they are able to example, if there is a dispute confirm that learning has taken within a faculty regarding place and affirms students curriculum content, confidence in their knowledge. negotiation will be easier if If there is a discrepancy both parties feel their views, between the communications, or even just their presence active listening will highlight in the conversation, is being this so any misconceptions can respected by the other. be corrected immediately. Further, by actively listening to another person, the listener may be surprised by the validity of another person’s argument. If they are more open to listening, they may in fact be more open to alternatives presented. Respectful Disagreeing Students may express views Parents may confront the that differ to the teacher's. teacher with different views Although the teacher may not on what should be taught, or agree with them, it is important that things should be taught that they still show respect for in a different manner. In the student's opinion, which order to not cause an can be done by employing the argument, teachers can use skill of respectful disagreeing. respectful disagreeing so as For example, the class is to be able to explain their discussing how much view and why their uphold homework they should be it. For example, a parent given, students may express may disagree with an aspect views differing to the teachers. of the curriculum, such as It is important to show respect that religion should not be for the students views by saying taught in any classes. In that they raise and interesting response, the teacher could point and explaining how it is say that they agree with the valid, but then explaining why parent in that religion they believe their view to be should not be taught as "the more effective that this. truth" or the only way of looking at the world and events, but that it is such an ingrained part of society that students should be given a basic understanding so they can form their own opinions on the topic. Including Others When interacting with students With colleagues, it may be it may be simple to include helpful to question new staff them through assigning and initiate them into members to certain groups discussions within faculty rather than allowing them to meetings in case they may choose their own groups as this feel uncomfortable speaking may lead to students being left up in front of the out. They may also be included experienced teachers. With in how they are going to learn parents it may also be through offering them a list of beneficial to include them in tasks and allowing them to students learning, so choose the order, in this way through the use of reading they are included in the logs, diaries and such processes of their learning allowing them to write notes within the classroom. to you and you to them to make sure they understand they are as much involved in the child’s learning as possible rather than just a witness. Negotiation Depending on the situation, In a faculty meeting, two sometimes it can be teachers have differing appropriate and effective to views on how a unit of work negotiate punishments with should be assessed. The two students. For example, a teachers would need to student is completing work for come to a solution where one subject in a completely both were at least partially different class and the student satisfied. In order for this to refuses to put the other work happen, both teachers away upon request. The would need to see the value teacher of this class could of each type of assessment negotiate with student whether and the skills that they help they come back at lunch time to develop. An example of a complete whatever work for possible solution could be this subject they have not that this unit of work is completed due to completing assessed in accordance with the other work, or whether they one teacher’s idea, but the hand up their other work and next unit is assessed receive it back at a time according to the other decided by the teacher. teacher’s idea so that both skills are being developed. Another example could be that one is used as formal assessment and the other as informal assessment. Attendance at Group Meetings: Names of those who attended First recording (Wk 3) Second recording (Wk 7) Group analysis meeting (Wk 9) Other group meetings as needed (specify) Signatures of all group members to indicate agreement with the above information Task Responsibility: Name(s) of the person(s) who took Task responsibility and made it happen Organising recording equipment for the first recording session Locating an appropriate room for the first recording Transcribing the first discussion Transcribing the second discussion Ensuring that all group members received the relevant material Organising recording equipment for the second recording session Locating an appropriate room for the second recording Communication with members of the group outside class time Collection of the cover sheets and submission of the final qssignment Communicating assignment grade and comments to group members Other responsibilities (Specify) Signatures of all group members to indicate agreement with the above information Chart Conclusion: 5. The completed teamwork rubric (provided on DSO) and a work responsibility chart (see format below) and a summary conclusion about what improvements the group could make if they were to complete another group assignment together in a different unit. These should all be completed by the group as a whole (either in the final class-based group meeting or in a later group meeting) References: Denton, P & Kriete, R 2009, A Conflict Resolution Protocol for Elementary Classrooms, Responsive Classroom, retrieved 3 June 2011, <www.responsiveclassroom.org/article.conflict-resolution-protocol-elementary- classrooms> McGrath, no date, Learning Related Social Skills, Teaching for Interpersonal Development (Deakin Studies Online), retrieved 02 June 2011, <www.vista.deakin.edu.au/webct/urw/lc19034.tp0/cobaltMainFrame.dowebct?J SESSIONIDVISTA=yCVJNqnPLwFGbMLQc5JbMmJhkQ2RrjK5G2FN2W4 mrwWhsfpgMfyd!334190857!vista-m8.its.deakin.edu.au!80!- 1!1522419854!vista-m4.its.deakin.edu.au!80!-1> McGrath, no date, What is a Social Skill, Teaching For Interpersonal Development (Deakin Studies Online), retrieved 03 June 2011, <www.vista.deakin.edu.au/webct/urw/lc19034.tp0/cobaltMainFrame.dowebct?J SESSIONIDVISTA=yCVJNqnPLwFGbMLQc5JbMmJhkQ2RrjK5G2FN2W4 mrwWhsfpgMfyd!334190857!vista-m8.its.deakin.edu.au!80!- 1!1522419854!vista-m4.its.deakin.edu.au!80!-1> Appendixes Task One Scenario: Shipwrecked: A luxury cruise ship sank in a terrible storm and everyone on board drowned except for six people, who escaped in two life boats. In the first boat were Andrew, a member of the ships maintenance crew, Debbie an accountant, George a retired bank manager and his wife Anne, a retired teacher. In the second boat were Greg, a stock broker who was engaged to be married to Debbie, Tim also a stockbroker and Greg’s best friend. During the fierce storm, the two life boats became separated. The first boat washed ashore on an island and was almost totally wrecked. Debbie searched the entire island all day for the second boat, hoping that it had washed up on the island and that Greg was safe, but she found no sign of it. The next day the weather cleared but she still could not find any sign that the boat with Greg had survived. She noticed with some concern that there were several sharks swimming in the water surrounding the island. In the distance she could just see another island. Hoping to find Greg, she begged Andrew to help her repair the boat just enough to ensure it could get her to the other island. He agreed but only on the condition that she slept with him first. Distraught she went to George and Anne for help and advice but they did not want to be apart of her decision and said to her, “We cannot tell you what is right for you, you will have to decide for yourself. We now have to focus on our own survival”. Confused but desperate to find Greg she finally agreed to Andrew’s condition. The next morning, Andrew patched up his boat the best he could, much of the boat had been destroyed and could only take one person. Debbie started to row across to the other island. Just as she reached the shore of the other island the boat completely disintegrated. She was overjoyed to see Greg and his friend Tim waiting for her, both safe despite their boat also being completely destroyed. She threw herself into Greg’s arms. That night when Greg asked her how she had managed to convince Andrew to fix the boat for her, she told him about all that had happened including Andrew’s condition. In a rage, Greg pushed her aside and stormed off shouting “get away from me you slut. I want nothing to do with you”. Sobbing uncontrollably, Debbie walked down to the beach where she bumped into Tim. Seeing her distressed Tim asked her what had happened. Weeping she told him the whole story, “Don’t worry Debbie,” he said putting his arms around her, “I’ve always liked you and I will take care of you until we can find another way to get off this island”. Task One Decision: Task: As a group, rank all six characters from 1 most moral -6 least moral Rank Character 1 Tim 2 Debbie 3 George 4 Anne 5 Greg 6 Andrew Task One Transcript: Posh: Shipwrecked: a luxury cruise ship sank in a terrible storm and everyone on board drowned except for six people, who escaped in two life boats. In the first boat were Andrew, a member of the ships maintenance crew, Debbie an accountant, George a retired bank manager and his wife Anne, a retired teacher. In the second boat were Greg a stock broker who was engaged to be married to Debbie, Tim also a stockbroker and Greg's best friend. During the fierce storm, the two life boats became separated. The first boat washed ashore on an island and was almost totally wrecked. Debbie searched the entire island all day for the second boat, hoping that it had washed up on the island and that Greg was safe, but she found no sign of it. The next day the weather cleared but she still could not find any sign that the boat with Greg had survived. She noticed with some concern that there were several sharks swimming in the water surrounding the island. In the distance she could just see another island. Hoping to find Greg, she begged Andrew to help her repair the boat just enough to ensure it could get her to the other island. He agreed but only on the condition that she slept with him first…oh lovely. Distraught she went to George and Anne for help and advice but they did not want to be apart of her decision and said to her, we cannot tell you what is right for you, you will have to decide for yourself. We now have to focus on our own survival. Confused but desperate to find Greg she finally agreed to Andrew's condition. The next morning, Andrew patched up his boat the best he could, much of the boat had been destroyed and could only take one person. Debbie started to row across to the other island. Just as she reached the shore of the other island the boat completely disintegrated. She was overjoyed to see Greg and his friend Tim waiting for her. Both safe despite their boat also being completely destroyed. She threw herself into grogs arms. That night when Greg asked her how she had managed to convince Andrew to fix the boat for her, she told him about all that had happened including Andrews condition. In a rage, Greg pushed her aside and stormed off shouting get away from me you slut. I want nothing to do with you. Sobbing uncontrollably, Debbie walked down to the beach where she bumped into Tim. Seeing her distressed Tim asked her what had happened. Weeping she told him the whole story, Don’t worry Debbie, he said putting his arms around her, I’ve always liked you and I will take care of you until we can find another way to get off this island. Your task: as a group, rank all six characters from 1 most moral -6 least moral. Include these group rankings as part of your final assignment ...whoa...There’s like million people and only one story line (several people talking at same time, laughing and agreeing Baby & Ginger: I know Baby: I was like what the hell?! Scary: That was totally days of our lives Posh: We might actually have to write stuff down because I don’t know like… Baby: I know Ginger: Coz doesn’t it have an explanation of each…. Posh: Yeah it just says “this persons a stockbroker” which is really confusing. So Andrew, what did Andrew do? Maybe we should say what they each did. So Andrew was the one who said she had to sleep with him, is that right? Ginger: And he was a member of the ships crew Posh: But he was the maintenance guy... oh c’mon Debbie (Group laughs) Scary: I think was the…was there only six characters wasn’t there? Posh: Yep Scary: I think Andrew’s pretty down the list Ginger: Yeh Posh: I don’t understand why they’re in separate boats, if your like getting engaged, wouldn’t you be like hey come on my boat with me, like its kind of weird…(group laughs and agrees) anyway, so yeh he’s pretty bad, Andrew Baby: Maybe they just got like separated and stuff Posh: oh maybe oh yeh .there was a storm. Yeh There was a storm It was pretty serious Baby: All right so we’ve. And then Debbie was the accountant Ginger: We’ve got Andrew Scary: Who was George? Posh: Oh George and Anne all they did was say no we cant help you Scary: Oh yeh yeh Ginger: Oh So they’d be kind of low as well because they were like we have to look after ourselves and we’re not gonna like think about you Baby: Yeh, and look at them, they’re like, they’re like a retired bank manager and a retired teacher so they’re pretty much like they’re only concerned about themselves because they’re retired and they only would have been on this like ship because they’re on a holiday and then they would have been just rescued and think oh we’ve got each other. The end. (Posh and Ginger agree) Baby: But in saying that you would think that they would also, umm because they’re married you would also think that they would feel sympathy. Ginger: and because she was a teacher that’s like a.. Baby: yeh Ginger: because you would have compassion for other people Scary: because they’re older and wiser as well Ginger: yeh Posh: but they are like, pretty distressed. Like, they have been shipwrecked. (Group agrees) Posh: You’d be having a hard weekend (Group giggles) Posh: Alright, okay, so lets go ok, so Andrew was awful because he said he’d only help her If she slept with him. That was bad Ginger: but then again at the end he was like oh I’ll take care of you, but that was sort of selfish Scary: wasn’t that a different guy? Posh: that was Tim Ginger: ohh Ginger: Ohh that was Tim Posh: That was some other guy (Group laughs) Ginger: (laughing) who’s Tim?! (Group laughs) Posh: his best friend… oh! But that was also awful because he’s gone behind his best friends back, and been like hey… this is actually a really good thing, there’s so much going on, these people are awful (Laughter) Ginger: Well would that be kind of like… could you say that he is quite moralistic because he’s like, I don’t want to be with you if you’ve slept with someone else, because like in thinking about (Posh: yeah) what a good person would do they wouldn’t cheat on their husband, but then again it’s kind of mean because it’s like, she only did it so save him… I don’t know where I’d put him because its like… Posh: I know it’s really… this is so confusing, but like at the same time like wouldn’t he let her explain herself and then make a decision (group: yeah) like he just made a split second decision and didn’t give her a chance to say look, I did it to come and find you Ginger: Yeah Baby: Yeah, whereas she was the one that was like ok I really need to think about it because she was like… Posh: Yeah she went and tried to ask people and stuff… Group: Yeah Posh: But does it actually say that she did it? It does, doesn’t it? Baby: Yeah, after they, they next morning and stuff she does give in Ginger: It was like she agreed to his conditions or something Posh: Oh yeah she… yeah… oh… so… oh…. I don’t, look I think she’s bad but at the same time I don’t think she’s that bad (group: yeah) because she’d do anything just to save him Ginger: Exactly and she had like a hard time choosing what to do like by asking the other people and… Posh: Yeah I’d find it really hard, like on the moral list, ‘cos Andrew’s down the bottom because he’s awful because he was just doing it for himself and then… Tim I’d put pretty bad because he didn’t go after his friend and be like look, you need to talk to her (group agrees), he just like said nah I’m gonna keep… I’m gonna stick with you Debbie (Ginger: Yeah) (group mumbles) and he probably touched her butt (Group laughs) Ginger: And he didn’t ask the friend like either like oh is it ok if I take Debbie Posh: Mmm Ginger: But then again he is taking care of her so I’d put him like not at the bottom Posh: Like in the middle (Group mumbles, agrees) Scary: I reckon I’d probably him higher because like, he’s the more compassionate one and just like understood, her situation more than… Baby: I’d put him, yeah, I wouldn’t put him top or anything (Scary: no) but I’d put him about three or four… I think… Posh: Who else have we got? Baby: Well we’ve got the elderly people… Posh: But they elderly people they were like kind of nothing, like they’re not really low and they’re not really high like they just didn’t… they didn’t care but… was it like… it’s none of their business really, for them to go up to them and be like hey, like who was she to them, like really (group laughs) Baby: Just a stranger Posh: Oh yeah, like you’re gonna go up to a stranger and be like look I’ve got a problem… I just need your help… like that’s kinda… Baby: My husband’s gonna like... (group mumbles) if I sleep with another guy… Posh: yeah, like they don’t really care, like if someone came up to you and did that, you’d be like thanks… alright… enjoy yourself Baby: Yeah like I’ve got a question… (mumbles, group laughs) Yeah like exactly, so I think maybe they didn’t Ginger: But I’d sort of like, I might put them like, well personally, I might like I would probably put them like four and five (Posh: yeah) and Tim three… and then… yeah… but I donno like I… Posh: Yeah I agree, like they should be low because they didn’t, take the time to listen to her but then again at the same time Group all talk at once – Posh: I can’t even remember… Baby: We need a guy’s opinion because we’re all like ohh what a sleaze, he’s like hitting on her Posh: Yeah! I know it’s hard Baby: Whereas a guy would be like… Ginger: Yeah she was like upset and he was like doing like a favour for her and like Posh: I guess, but… and you have to think, like I know you have to think about… you can’t think about what happened before, but if he liked her before and he hasn’t gone for her before, and he’s waited for them to break up, then that’s kind of nice (Baby: yeah), but then like he was mean to his friend, he wasn’t mean to her, he’s being nice to her and being like look, you know, we’ll be fine… Ginger: And he was like I’ll take care of you, not like I’ll… Posh: Oh, I’ll take care of you UNTIL we find a way to get off this Island… (Pause) Ginger: Ohhhh Posh: Ohhh, that’s different Scary: Was he actually cracking onto her though? Posh: I donno! Maybe he was being nice Baby: Maybe we just got that impression Ginger: Yeahhh, I think he might’ve Scary: Did he say I’ve always liked you? Posh: He said I’ve always liked you Ginger: But did he say that as a friend Posh: Yeah, I think he might have… I think its like, like it’s really like, Ginger: Its kind of ambiguous posh: we’re not gonna have any conclusions (group laughs) baby: ok, now that I’ve re-read it... posh: it kind of doesn’t sound like sus baby: yeah I’d put him, I’d put him higher then (posh and scary agree) posh: It doesn’t sound that sus. So those people, like the old people need to be low (ginger agrees) Andrew’s obviously lowest, cos that’s just... scary: yeah I agree baby: were we agreeing that Debbie is number one then? (pause) ginger: maybe Tim is number one because he was like “you know I’ve always liked you and I’ll take care of you” baby: and he’s like, he’s kind of put, like... Ginger: Yeah and Debbie’s slept with the guy like in order to find him… Posh: She’s not being moral, like she’s put her morals aside and just been like, you know what… I’ll do ‘ya (group laughs) Baby: She’s been like, like I claim that I have no choice but, actually I did (group laughs) Posh: yeah probably, she’s probably a skank (group laughs) like a hooker or something (group laughs, mumbles) Baby: We’re gonna laugh so hard at this recording Posh: Well, what’s her occupation? Accountant… (group laughs and mumbles) they had little offices, maybe she just… Baby: Yeah its like accountant vs. like Andrew who’s like, the member of the crew, Posh: Yeah I know Baby: and I’m just getting this visual of this person Posh: and like him in his overalls Baby: Hair pulled back and in like a tight bun and being like all like this and you know like Posh: Yeah Baby: And just being like hey babe what’s up (Group laughs) Posh: I’ve got my broom (Group laughs) Posh: But like, yeah I dunno like, I think we’ve pretty much organised it but I just don’t know where Debbie would sit because she gave up her morals but at the same time she’s doing it for good Ginger: I would sort of put Debbie higher than Greg I think... just because Greg should be able to overlook why she did it and not just be so narrow minded and… Scary: Especially because she did it for him Ginger: Yeah exactly Scary: Yeah I’d rate Debbie over Greg I just don’t know about if I’d rate Debbie over Tim. Ginger: I think I’d… yeah, I think I’d rate Tim over Debbie Posh: Yeah so would I Baby: Yeah, like we’ve got so far we’ve got Tim, as number one, Debbie as number two, Greg as… (Ginger: three), as three and then the other two that don’t care, OR, now it’s a toss up between whether Greg should be three OR the or put down to number five, because he was just like whatever like I hate you now, but the other two were just like listen it’s none of our business Ginger: Yeah Ginger: Yeah, Yeah, they had more reasoning perhaps. Baby: He didn’t go looking for her Scary: Yeah he didn’t go looking for her Posh: I think were all going to have differing opinions Baby: His option was sleeping with Tim (Group Laughs) Posh: So maybe that’s, like he’s using it as an excuse and he doesn’t love her he’s like thank god I’m outta here! And blaming it on her. Scary: What are we up to, what do they actually say? George and Ann don’t help with the advice they don’t want to be part of the decision. Baby: Its not like they help to build the boat either. Ginger: Yeah. Baby: Like her only option was Andrew Ginger: yeah, like they could have been like we don’t wanna help you and we don’t wanna influence your decision but we’ll help you build the boat if you decide to go. They were just like Scary: Yeah. Posh: we’re supposed to use like all those words so like..thingo wasn’t…. who was empathetic …who was this. Ginger: well the old couple didn’t show much empathy.. Posh: no or compassion or anything...they were just like…you a slut! Scary: no but Tim showed compassion, empathy and .. (Group Laughs) Posh: cause it doesn’t seem like (Group talks) I don’t know if he’s in it for himself though that’s the only thing. Scary: Yeah Posh: like is he doing it…it’s just…it’s not clear , like “I’ve always liked you” but it doesn’t say like… Ginger: it should be like loved or liked. Posh: Yeah, it should be liked as a friend or I’ve always wanted to do you or… (Group laughs). Scary: hmm… Posh: I don’t know… Baby: yeah I’m still putting Greg way down there. Posh: Yeah I put Greg low because he just doesn’t give her the time of day. Baby: Like the old couple didn’t really do anything good but they didn’t do anything bad either! Ginger: Yeah they just … Scary: Nah they were just like meh.. Ginger: And Greg didn’t show like good listening skills. Scary: mm mm! Ginger: even like, not even negotiation skills. Scary: nup. Ginger: He didn’t really show like empathy Posh: For someone, like if they were like a couple or whatever Baby: She shouldn’t have told him! (Group laughs and talks over each othe)r Baby: go off like the whole entire night (More talking over each other) Posh: But like because…because they’re engaged you kind of see like they would..like do you know what I mean? Baby: Yeah. Posh: they’ve probably been together for like a while, unless they’re like Katy Perry and Russell Brand, like they’ve obviously been together a while but like so you kind of expect that he would be like “oh okay well you know we will talk about it” and stuff. Like you’re in a shipwreck! It’s not like you know, it’s not just a Saturday night this is serious. Ginger: yeah and she did it only to save him and so they could be together. He doesn’t really seem to appreciate it. Yeah he’s like whatever. Posh: alright so Greg is definitely pretty low. Scary: the thing I don’t like about the old couple is that fact that they say we have to focus on our own survival. Baby, Posh, Ginger: yeah! Scary: if they didn’t say that I would rate them higher. (Everyone agrees) Scary: But I dunno. But then again… Ginger: Cause they were selfish. Scary: but then again it isn’t a decision they can make for her. Baby: Yeah but are they both the same its not one says something the one says something, so it’d be like were just putting them together. (Mumbling, and agreement.) Baby: We’d probably like…I dunno I’d probably put um the guy up at like say Greg was down the bottom, then I’d probably put the husband guy like the retired bank manager as third and then the teacher fourth because we think she should show more compassion shouldn’t she. Scary: yeah, being a retired teacher. Posh: Oh so you can’t put them together? Are they separate? Oh no there are six people! Scary: Yeah. Posh: Ohhhh! Oh that’s hard! Cause you don’t know who says what. Baby: Yeah they say it together. So I was just… Posh: oh that’s a good idea to put their occupations. Yeah cause you’d expect her to be… Baby: yeah their occupations are there for a reason. Ginger: what did Greg do and Tim do? Posh: they were stockbrokers, I don’t even know what that is… like how bad’s that. Ginger: its just like Wall street stuff. Yeah it’s like banks and banking. Posh: ohhhh! Baby: Charlie sheen in wall street…that’s all I’m thinking of! (Group laughs). Posh: oh okay so they’re all about money and stuff so they’re not like… Ginger: But you can’t like necessarily say that… (Group mumbles and agrees). Ginger: Cause it doesn’t say any personal traits like that they’re selfish or… Group: mmm Baby: I just think with the teacher one… Posh: do you know what I don’t understand like why wouldn’t Greg just be like oh okay we will talk about this when were safe like were on a deserted island right now I’m not going to run away, and he stormed off! (Group Laughs and agrees. Everyone talks amongst themselves and nothing is clear). Posh: Like you’re on an island with your to-be-wife and some guy that’s hitting on her or maybe hitting on her and now you’ve buggered off like they’re not going to save you now like you’re pretty much screwed now Greg… you stupid guy. Like it doesn’t make sense like he’s obviously dumb …as shit. So… I wouldn’t put him yeah I dunno. (Group agrees). Posh: Like I like that list, and the fact that, but I still don’t know about Tim! It’s so like …that’s probably why it’s there its to like make us talk about it cause no one knows what to say about Tim. Ginger: But I think that Tim… Baby: I think he’s still high… Ginger: Yeah like he hasn’t really done anything wrong. Baby: Like compared to the others. Ginger: Like if were saying it as he likes her has a friend then he’s just taking care of her until they get off the island then he’s not like well let’s run away together. Posh: mm Let’s just for the sake of this say that he’s a nice person. Ginger: Yeah and he sort of hasn’t done anything wrong, like Debbie was trying to find Greg but she did do something wrong but like she questioned it … Scary: yeah she compromised her morals. (Group Agrees). Scary: because she did agonize over it and the fact that she cast those aside. But then again is that selfless? ...To do that? Baby: well not really cause the thing she was chasing was the thing she was in love with. So technically she wasn’t doing it out of selflessness. It wasn’t like she was like okay Greg is like hanging by a thread and Andrew is willing to kill Greg like or something like okay I’ve gotta sleep with Andrew to save like Greg’s life. It’s more like I’ve gotta sleep with Andrew so I can find Greg. Posh: But couldn’t she maybe have gone about it another way like why didn’t she get the couple to help her build the boat. Ginger: Or she should have… (Group Talking at the same time). Posh: Like they could have gone on the boat with her like do you know what I mean? Baby: yeah. Posh: like there were other ways of going about it like she didn’t have to.. Ginger: she could have like negotiated with what…what his name? Posh: Andrew. Ginger: like a little more like she should have gone back to him and been like okay well I won’t sleep with you but I’ll help you Posh: I’ll give you a kiss. Group Laughs. Posh: Ill show you my boob. Group Laughs. Baby: Good option! Group Laughs. Posh: even like no I’m not going to help you but we need to get off this island so we need the boat anyway. Group agrees and talks amongst each other. Baby: she should have even like gotten some bark or something. If you were really desperate like to be like…like if it was me, if it my husband was like no where to be seen and the only way I could get to them was like building a boat and in order to have it built I had to sleep with someone I would possibly try and do every alternative. Scary: Yeah. Baby: I would look around the island for different modes of transport and ways of building a boat. Posh: yeah cause she…like why didn’t she think of that and be like well Greg’s not going to be very happy when I tell him you know, I’ve just done someone else. It’s kind of you know… Baby: and the story like the way its described its kind of like shes like oh and shes not sure what to do and then she just gives up. Posh: she’s confused. Baby: she’s confused and then after a long debate you know. Posh: she’s distraught and then she’s confused, she doesn’t have much going for her! Baby: yeah she’s pretty distraught you have to put that in there. Ginger: but then again I guess she does show honesty by telling him like she could have, even though I don’t know who might say it is the best thing to do would be just to not tell him she does show her honesty in telling him. Posh: yeah. Ginger: oh I don’t know. Posh: But like she didn’t even know if Greg was on that island. Like there were sharks and stuff in the water and she’s like oh there’s an island over there maybe he’s on there, I’ll go sleep with someone. Like it kind of … like she didn’t do it like that but you know what I mean, like there were other options and she just went straight for that, so it’s kind of like. Scary: yeah. Posh: oh it’s so tricky! Baby: I think what we’ve got is that um … Scary and Posh: yeah, put her high. Group talks. Baby: So we’ve got Tim, Debbie and then the teach..no! then the husband, Scary: what was his name? Baby and Posh: George. Baby: and then the teacher. Posh: Ann. Baby: and then we’ve got Greg. Scary: Greg. Scary and Baby: then Andrew. Posh: Does everyone get the same one? ‘Cause it’d be interesting to see like what people write. Group agrees. Baby: that’d be really funny like if its … Posh: opposite! Baby: this is what our case study was… Posh: yeah like I agree with you when you say like oh we need a guy like who said we need a guy yeah cause were all going to say Debbie’s fine and justified. Baby: Naturally we’re all girls and we read into it way like too much. Ginger: yeah! Baby: when we hear this we will be like why did we even analyse that! It’s got nothing to do with the case study! Yet were like oh my God she said this he did that! Group laughs. Posh: we’re backtracking their relationship they were obviously together for years! Like I just don’t understand why they were in different boats like its kind of like he got in a boat with his best friend before he got in a boat with his fiancé. Like I think it’s kind of weird that he did that. Like I know that we weren’t there and we didn’t see it happen but like you’d assume that if you were in a like crisis you’d be where is the love of my life and you’d go and stand with them you wouldn’t go and stand with your bestie. Like do you know what I mean like it’s … unless you didn’t have a love of your life at that point. But um .. Baby and Ginger: Yeah. Ginger: Yeah I’d put him low still, that’s another reason he’s low. Posh: but then maybe she was avoiding him because she wanted to touch Andrew’s bum. Group Laughs. Scary: maybe she already was. Group laughs. Posh: maybe! Maybe she was having a secret relationship that we didn’t know about! Group laughs. Baby: she was like oh he’s hot! Posh: and shes like pretending like oh I don’t know what to do…hello Andrew…alright I reckon that’s good! Group agrees: Yeah. Scary: cool, is there anything else on the task we had to do? Posh: nup, that was it. Include the group rankings as part of your assignment. Scary: lovely! Baby: 20 minutes is up! Scary: so is everyone all alright, all good with the order “Tim, Debbie, George, Ann, Greg, Andrew.” Group Agrees. Ginger: yep. Scary: Lovely! Posh: we’ll need to get your email as well! Baby: oh yeah. Task Two Scenario: The Flood: Your group all teach at local schools and also share a house on the river floods in a country town. It has been raining solidly for several days but the meteorically experts have been saying there is no immediate danger. However a flash flood has occurred without warning and your house is directly in its path. There has just been an announcement on TV from the state emergency services that all houses along the river floods should be evacuated in the next 15 minutes. Many houses higher up have been totally washed away. You have already individually packed up some personal things which you have been able to easily find and now there is only enough room in your car to save four of the following items from your house before you have to leave. You only have on large four wheel drive vehicle to all escape in. Your task is to decide as a group on the four items that will be taken with you and in what order they will be searched for and packed in case you have less time than anticipated. Items can’t be separated into smaller components and must be chosen as lot. 1. A box containing the group’s entire collection of CDs and DVDs, some of which are irreplaceable. 2. The group’s collection of 10 photo albums. 3. the groups pet cat and her five newborn kittens 4. A box containing everyone’s official documents including birth certificate and passports and university transcripts. 5. the only printed copy of a book manuscript one of you has nearly finished writing 6. A selection of files off your computer that will first need to be downloaded onto a memory stick. 7. A box of money that is hidden under the floorboards which contains five thousand dollars and which is jointly owned by all of you. 8. A small fragile antique lamp that was left to you by one of your grandmothers. 9. An autographed guitar which belonged to a famous rock musician before he died who was a friend of the father of one of the group. 10. The ashes of the grandfather of one of you to be scattered at a funeral to take place later in the week. 11. the groups pet dog which they took in as a stray ten months ago Task Two Decision: Task: Decide as a group on the four items that will be taken with you and in what order they will be searched for and packed in case you have less time than anticipated. Items can’t be separated into smaller components and must be chosen as lot. Rank Item 1 Cat & Kittens 2 Dog 3 Documents 4 Photo Albums Task Two Transcript: Posh: alright do you want me to read it? Baby: you did last time. Posh: Oh its long again! Oh there’s a table alright. The flood: your group all teach at local schools and also share a house on the river floods in a country town. It has been raining solidly for several days but the meteorology experts have been saying there is no immediate danger. However a flash flood has occurred without warning and your house is directly in its path. There has just been an announcement on TV from the state emergency services that all houses along the river floods should be evacuated in the next 15 minutes. Many houses higher up have been totally washed away. You have already individually packed up some personal things which you have been able to easily find and now there is only enough room in your car to save four of the following items from your house before you have to leave. You only have on large four wheel drive vehicle to all escape in. Your task is to decide as a group on the four items that will be taken with you and in what order they will be searched for and packed in case you have less time than anticipated. Items can’t be separated into smaller components and must be chosen as lot. One: a box containing the group’s entire collection of CDs and DVDs, some of which are irreplaceable. Two: the group’s collection of 10 photo albums. Three: the groups pet cat and her five newborn kittens. As if you would leave them behind! (Group laughs)Four: a box containing everyone’s official documents including birth certificate and passports and university transcripts. Five: the only printed copy of a book manuscript one of you has nearly finished writing. Six: A selection of files off your computer that will first need to be downloaded onto a memory stick. Seven: A box of money that is hidden under the floorboards which contains five thousand dollars and which is jointly owned by all of you. Eight: A small fragile antique lamp that was left to you by one of yourgrandmothers. Who cares? (Group laugh).Nine: an autographed guitar which belonged to a famous rock musician before he died who was a friend of the father of one of the grou .(Baby: Oh my god! Laughs). Ten: the ashes of the grandfather of one of you to be scattered at a funeral to take place later in the week. Eleven: the groups pet dog which they took in as a stray ten months ago. Sporty: far out! Baby: okay the dog goes before the cat! Group laughs. Posh: yeah the dog goes before the cat! Ginger: but the cat has kittens! Baby: yeah the cat has kittens. Posh: well she can take care of them! Group laughs: no!! Scary: but the cat has nine lives though. Group laughs. Scary: plus another five so that’s like forty five! Group laughs. Baby: I know this sounds horrible but I personally think that the animals would be able to look after themselves. Posh: yeah. Ginger: but the kittens! Baby: yeah like it would be hard but…how many items are we allowed to pick? Group: four! Baby: oh my god that’s like the worst. Scary: and the order. Ginger: I think the personal documents should come first because you need, like you need your birth certificate and you need like you just need that more than anything. Sporty: well, yeah. Posh: but like you can get them reprinted like I got my birth certificate reprinted. Ginger: can you? But like even if you don’t have any other form of ID? Sporty: that the thing like you need it. Just from bush fire area they say have your official documents, take them first because in order to get a lot of the things that you need for help and not having any form of identification as you said it’s hard. But that’s just when you’ve got lives at stake I suppose. Posh: Maybe we should cross out the ones we don’t care about. Sporty: that’s a good idea! Baby: yeah. Posh: we have to hand this sheet in though . Sporty and Scary: alright lets write them down. Posh: so CDs and Dvds, who cares like theyre irreplaceable but who cares. Scary: yeah I agree I don’t think we should. Posh: download them guys come on. So DVDs are nothing, the groups collection of 10 photo albums, that’s hard. Ginger: that’s a Scary: that’s a maybe. Ginger: yeah. Scary: that’d be a maybe. Posh: so what do we all live together is that what this is about…okay um the cat and the five kittens. Ginger: oh the babies. Group giggles. Posh: Ginger can’t decide what she wants to do! Group laughs. Ginger: I really wanna take them but I know. Posh: a box containing everyone’s official documents. Baby: yep that’s a definite, will be in there. unfortunately. Posh: the manuscript. Sporty: ahhh… Posh: the only document of it. Sporty: umm… Posh: hang on! The only printed copy of a book… Baby: a manuscript. Posh: wouldn’t that mean you’d have a copy on the computer or something? Baby: yeah. Scary: but don’t we have to … Posh: oh wait… Group mumbles and laughs about not being able to separate objects. Posh: select files from your computers needing to be downloaded onto a memory stick. Ginger: what were the files sorry? Are they important or just general? Scary: select. Posh: ummm general files. Sporty: what was that sorry? Posh: files from the computer. But its not very specific so… Ginger: and also if it says they have to be downloaded first that means it would take up more time therefore you might not be able to pack the other ones in time. Baby: yeah I wouldn’t, I don’t think I would be putting that in there. Sporty: so we’ll cross it? Group agrees. Posh: umm box of money, five thousand dollars. Ginger: mm like its important but like there are other things that like you can earn that money again. Scary: maybe. Sporty: maybe? Scary: Maybe. Posh: ummm an antique lamp from your grandmother. Scary: I’m going to say no on that one. Group laughs. Posh: as if they’d care. Sporty: I agree. Posh: sorry nanna. Group laughs. Posh: oh! Um an autographed guitar which belonged to a famous rock musician who before he died had been a friend of the father of one of the group. Scary: mmm Group mumbles. Posh: I don’t care! Scary: yeah neither on that one. Ginger: like I can see how it’s sentimental but… Scary: yeah. its just sort of like. Sporty: and the father I’m sure would prefer you’re safe. Posh: we’re pretty much crossing out every single one. Group laughs. Posh: okay the ashes of the grandfather of one you which were being minded before the ash scattering ceremony to be held later in the week. Scary: I’m going to say a definite maybe on that one. Group agrees. Ginger: cause like they could understand like if it’s a flood and you can’t take the ashes but I think we should try and get it in there if we can. Group agrees. Sporty: so yeah. Scary: so what’s more important like a live animal or a dead… Group: person. Group laughs. Posh: Like that’s what I’m worried about maybe … Sporty: yeah. Posh: like that’s the tricky thing. Okay. Um and the pet dog. That you took in as a stray ten months ago. Ginger: if it was a stray then does that mean that it already has survival techniques maybe. Sporty: that’s a good point. Posh: you just want the kittens so bad! Laughs. Group laughs. Posh: you’re like oh the dog’s fine guys lets take the cat! Baby: yeah but Ginger has a point like the dog was a stray it would have, like dog’s anyway would have certain survival…. Ginger: yeah not like brand new… Scary: cause cats don’t like water. Ginger: like their eyes wouldn’t even be open! Group laughs Baby: like theres cases of dogs where they’ve come out of like… Ginger: yeah! Baby: like the dog floating out to sea in japan. Ginger: ohh ughh. Baby: and it was just like hey! Posh: alright so what have we got left? Sporty: all right so the maybes are: ten photo albums um yep, the cat and the five kittens, the only manuscript left of that book that was written was that almost finished or something? Posh, Baby, Ginger: yeah. Sporty: ummm the five thousand dollars, and the ashes of the grandfather who’s being minded. Ginger: I say well personally I would get rid of the five thousand dollars but I don’t know if that’s … Sporty: and pet dog. Scary: Yeah … Posh: But you might need the money. Scary: Yeah Sporty: It depends on the situations Posh: yeah do you know what I mean Ginger: Yeah it would help to like rebuild the house and stuff Baby: I’d get rid of the dog then Sporty: get rid of the dog? Posh: yeah I reckon get rid of the dog Baby: like I love dogs but like Posh: so do I but Sporty: It’ll be right! Posh: that dogs dead to us alright. Group Laughs. Posh: you’re making us get rid of it ! Laughing Ginger: I know but its still sad! Sporty: Umm the photo albums, what are we thinking? Baby: I think they’re definitely there. I mean I know that sounds like awful but I’d definitely try and see if we can include it but I wouldn’t put it in front of um. Scary: I’d take the dog over um the photos. Posh: yeah so would I Group: yeah. Ginger: In theory I think oh photo albums should go before the dog but in real life I would definitely take the dog. Group: yeah exactly. Baby: that’s what I’m saying. You just see it and say “10 photo albums all those memories” but when it comes to the crunch you’ve got like this dog in one hand and these photo albums and you’re like oh I’m taking the dog! Laughs. How would you feel taking these albums and the dogs just like … Sporty: and you always have the memories in your head I suppose but… Ginger: yeah. Sporty: so we’re crossing the dog? We’ve only ticked one! We’ve got, basically we have to cancel one between the cat and the five kittens, the manuscript, the five thousand dollars, and the ashes. Cause the rest we’ve got we can take three of them. Baby: I thought we could take four. Group: yeah we can. Mumbling. Sporty: we’ve already got the official documents. Scary: so I would take the hmm … I’d leave the manuscript. Ginger: yeah. Sporty: yeah leave it behind. Posh: you could rewrite it. Group laughs. Sporty: you could rewrite it! Laughs. Scary: Just think about all these new experiences you’d be able to write about who cares about the old one! Ginger: yeah. Scary: you’ve like survived a dangerous situation. Ginger: yeah. And if they’ve like been reading over it and editing it and stuff it’d probably like they;d have a pretty good memory of it and be able to write it again. Sporty: all right so we’re left with, and we’ve just got to order them, the cat and five kittens, the official documents, the five thousand dollars and the ashes. How does that sound? Posh: I would take the dog over the money. Sporty: I would personally but I suppose it depends on your economic situation as well. Five thousand dollars is a lot to some people. But it is a life. Posh: I guess it is a stray dog like you’ve gotta think like … Ginger: yeah and… Posh: and you’ve only had it ten months, like do you know what I mean. Group Laughs. Sporty: yeah like you haven’t grown an attachment. Posh: yeah it’d be right. Ginger: yeah, I think the dog will be okay. Posh: but we kind of seem like meanies being like yeah we want the money over the dog. Ginger: yeah I know! Scary: yeah but um oh I’ve forgotten what I was going to say yeah but wouldn’t you have formed an attachment within those ten months though? Like it would be like more like survival smart because it has been a stray but I think it depends on just how attached we are to it. Posh: why don’t you just like throw the ashes? Like as you go? Like into the water? And keep something else. Group Laughs. Sporty: that’s not a bad idea! Posh: they throw ashes into water anyway who cares if its flooding. Sporty: I’m just curious as to the size of these objects if we can only fit four in a four wheeled drive. Posh: yeah! Laughs. Baby: I think…so are we all in agreement of the official documents being number one then? Posh and Ginger: yeah. Posh: oh we have to fill this thing in. Sporty: ah cool. Sporty: so official documents at number one? Baby, Ginger and Posh: yep! Scary: I don’t know. Posh: no? Scary: no I don’t know whether you take that over like your cat and your dog. Baby: we don’t have the dog. Scary: oh we don’t have the dog? Sporty: we don’t have the dog the dog’s gone. Scary: hmm Sporty: sorry. Posh: do you want the dog? Scary: maybe. Baby: we’ve only the got the cats. Posh: how many people would take the dog over the money? Ginger: in real life I wouldn’t, but thinking about it like this I would take the money over the dog because you can like be more rational and be like well the dog will survive blah blah blah but in that situation I would definitely take the dog. Sporty: yeah it depends. Baby: yeah it depends. Posh: well then why don’t you go with what you would do. Baby: well you would take your dog! (to ginger) Ginger: oh no way! Baby and Sporty: yeah! Baby: yeah I wouldn’t, like if I had a dog I wouldn’t leave it. Sporty: oh I couldn’t leave the dog. Baby: I couldn’t leave my own teddy bear let alone Sporty: yeah laughs Group laughs and talks over one another. Posh: so lets take the dog. Sporty: I like it. Baby: okay so lets take the money out. The money, like five thousand dollars it’s not like it’s a million dollars, its only five thousand. Ginger: and that’s also like split between five so it’d be a thousand dollars each. It’s not a huge huge amount. Scary: yeah. Sporty: no it’s just ordering them Posh: yeah its just a grand each! You can’t make a house with five thousand dollars. Like do you know what I mean? Sporty: yeah you’re right! Posh: all your money would be in your bank account anyway. Sporty: and I know this sounds really bad and presumptuous probably but with big disasters like this you can get grants you can get help from the government. You can. Baby: yeah. Ginger: yeah. Posh: yeah. Baby: all right so we’ve put the dog back in there. Posh: yeah I agree with you (to scary) that the official documents shouldn’t be first on the list. Sporty: yeah? Posh: I think the live things should be first. Sporty: yep. Posh: then the official documents and then… what’s left? Oh the … Group: ashes. Posh: I don’t reckon the ashes! I know it sounds awful! Ginger: yeah I would take the photo albums over the ashes! Because people are going to understand. Baby: yeah I would take the photo albums. Ginger: and then you have the actual memories with the grandpa not just the ashes that are going to get discarded anyway. Baby: yeah. Sporty: Like I suppose theyre… Posh: yeah they’re just getting chucked out anyway! Sporty: are we doing this for us though or for others? Or are we thinking about other groups because I know different religious groups and other people put great emphasis on death rituals. Posh: I think were just doing it for us. Baby: yeah us. Posh: its like personal, like what you feel cause were supposed to be doing like negotiation and stuff that’s what were doing. Scary: is it all of our photo albums or just one of our photo albums? ‘ Posh: all. Baby: It’s ten photo albums. Scary: well that’s probably a bit fairer to everybody else as well. Sporty: yeah true. Ginger: and the other family members too. Is that what you mean? Like the other family members would still have them too like its just not for us … Scary: yeah that’s true but um Posh: don’t you mean its only one of our grandpas? Scary: yeah Ginger: oh okay. Scary: so there’s the other four doesn’t really… Ginger: yeah. Baby: discard the ashes then first. Posh: Just chuck them. Sporty: well theyre kind of being buried. Posh: theyre getting afloat. Baby: just have like a five minute ceremony or something be like … Group laughs. Sporty: lets do it should we… Baby: yeah so we’ve taken that out, Ginger: so we have Sporty: sorry granddad. Baby: we had four and now its like nup. Sporty: so is there anything else? So you’d definitely take the photo albums over the manuscript and ah .. Group: yep, yeah etc. Baby: so we’ve got the cats, the dog, the photo albums and the official documents. Posh: yeah so what order. Sporty: live things first did we say? Posh: I reckon the cat with the kittens. Baby and Ginger: yeah same. Posh: then dog. Scary: yep. Posh: then official documents then photo albums. Ginger: in a way though I’d kind of put the well in real life I wouldn’t but okay so it doesn’t matter who cares. Group laughs. Scary: no what were you going to say? Ginger: well nah I was just going to say thinking about it now I would sort of be inclined to put the documents second the dog third because the dog well as we said before could probably survive, but I know in real life I wouldn’t do that so there’s probably no point in that. Baby: see I know it sounds terrible but I’d grab the official documents first then the dog cause I know I’d be taking them all anyway so Ginger: yeah. Baby: I just make sure I’d have the official documents first Ginger: yeah. Baby: and I know it sounds terrible but you can always like replace the pet, even though like… Posh: it’d be a different personality … yeah put the official documents second I reckon. Sporty: second? Posh: yeah. Sporty: more so practicality-wise. Scary: practicality wise yeah. Sporty: you’ll know where they are, I don’t know. Baby: it’s better than carrying around a dog or like five kittens and a cat trying to fine the official documents. Group laughs. Posh: but like youre not going to be running out to the car then running back in like do you know what I mean you’re going to be grabbing them all at one time. Ginger: yeah! Posh: you’d just chuck it all in a box...well not the dog and the cats in a box but you know what I mean and like you’ll be able to…yeah. Sporty: if we were in like a prone area we’d have a box of official documents ready to go. I would. We do. Group: yep. Sporty: but…you should. Posh: well they were saying we were prepared for it, it said something about being prepared. Sporty: yeah so yeah I suppose you’d just … Baby: you’ve got the official documents as your number one. back up. Sporty: back up? Baby: I am so confused. Stop writing it in there cause! Laughs. Sporty: all right I’ll stop! I wont cross it just in case. Ginger: all right so what do we want first, the cats or the official documents? Scary: I’d always take the live things. Just personally but… Ginger: I think I’d take the kittens just cause the kittens aren’t going to be able to survive and probably could find a way somehow getting documents… Scary: and I’m assuming there’s going to be provisions for that as well because a lot of people wouldn’t have their documents with them just … Sporty: yeah. Scary: so that’s just if there’s going to be ways that you can replace those quite easily even if you are…well not easily but more easily than it would be in a normal situation. Posh: so are you happy to have the dog the cats, the documents and the photo albums. That’s fine? Scary: yep yep I mean that’s a good, that’s a good … Posh: so now we’re just working out the order. Is that what we’re doing? Scary: yep. Posh: all right, so you reckon the pets first? Scary: yeah I reckon pets first. And yeah I reckon you’re right with the cats, because they’re like the young ones. Baby: yeah cause kittens are babies. Posh: yeah okay so cats and kittens first. Scary: and then I reckon the dog. Group: mhmm Posh: yeah I reckon the dog too. Like.. Sporty: yep. Baby: and then the official documents and then the photo albums. Ginger: cool. Sporty: that’s good. Posh: you can tell there’s only girls in this group Baby: yep. Posh: the guy’s would just be like ohh I don’t care! Sporty: who cares about photos! Posh: DVDs and CDs please! Sporty: and the guitar and football! Group Laughs. Sporty: ummm do I make it official and write it in? Group: yep. Sporty: we’re all happy? Posh: yep. Sporty: all right come on! I should not be doing this! Cat and five… yeah, pet dog, official documents, and photo albums. All happy? Group: mhmm. Posh and ginger: yep. Scary and Baby: I’m happy. Ginger: sounds good. Sporty: all right so what else have we got to do? Posh: just sign it. Ginger: I just realised I didn’t tick my name off on the roll. Posh: yeah neither did I! Baby, Sporty and Scary: its alright she’s got your test! Sporty: this is all so official. Group laughs. Posh: the other one we didn’t have to sign. Ginger: yeah I was just about to say! Scary: okay! Cool.
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