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                  AMERICAN STATISTICAL ASSOCIATION

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                   COMMITTEE ON ENERGY STATISTICS

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                                     MEETING

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                       FRIDAY, APRIL 26, 1996



                    The Committee convened in the Clark Room

of      the      Holiday   Inn     Capitol,        550        C   Street,      S.W.,

Washington,          D.C.,      at    9:00      a.m.,         DR.   TIMOTHY          D.

MOUNT, Chair, presiding.

PRESENT:                             TIMOTHY D. MOUNT, Chair
                                     SAMPRIT CHATTERJEE

                                     BRENDA G. COX
                                     JOHN D. GRACE
                                     CALVIN KENT
                                     GRETA M. LJUNG
                                     RICHARD A. LOCKHART
                                     DANIEL A. RELLES
                                     BRADLEY O. SKARPNESS
                                     G. CAMPBELL WATKINS

ALSO PRESENT:                        RENEE MILLER
                                     YVONNE M. BISHOP
                                     DIANE LIQUE
                                     L.A. PETTIS
                                     JAY HAKES
                                     JOHN WOOD
                                     GORDON M. KAUFMAN
                                     ROY KASS

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                         NANCY LEACH
                         I-N-D-E-X

Introductory Remarks:
Announcement of Winners of the Contest on
Graphs and Visuals Displays ........................ 3

Restructuring the Oil and Gas Crude
Reserves Program (Agenda Item 5)
Presenter: John Wood, Office of Oil and Gas ........ 8
Discussants: Gordon Kaufman, MIT .................. 19
             Brenda Cox, ASA ...................... 29

An Update on Issues Pertaining to the
Restructuring of the Natural Gas Industry
(Agenda Item 6)
Presenter: Roy Kass, Office of Oil and Gas ........ 54

Statistical Issues Pertaining to
Re-engineering at EIA (Agenda Item 7) ............. 77

Measurement Model for Information Management
Process (Agenda Item 7a)
Presenter: Nancy Leach, Energy Markets
           and End Use ............................ 77

Is the a Summary Measure of Data Quality
(Agenda Item 7b)
Presenter: Renee Miller, Office of
Statistical Standards ............................. 84
Discussant: Dan Relles, ASA Committee ............. 93

Public Comment ................................... 117




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1                               P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S

2                            MR. MOUNT:         I'd like to get started,

3    please.               If people would get seated.                  I'd like to

4    welcome           everybody       to      the      meeting        of        the        ASA

5    Committee.              A couple of introductory remarks:                              I'd

6    like to welcome Larry Pettis and Gordon Kaufman from

7    MIT, a former committee member; and I would also

8    like to congratulate Jay Hakes for his TV appearance

9    last night and a promotion of the Web site.                                                I

10   imagine we'll see a great surge of interest as a

11   result of that.

12                           We're   now      turning         over      to       a        very

13   important event, and that is to announce the winners

14   of the contest on graphs and visual displays.                                          Jay

15   Hakes.

16                           MR. HAKES:      Good morning.             I don't think

17   we need with this group to discuss the importance of

18   graphic portrayal of information.                          We live in an age

19   where            at     least    some       people         need        to       absorb

20   information very quickly.                       They don't have time to

21   go over a lot of numbers, and graphics often tell a

22   good story.               I think you all have had some good

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1    discussions in the Committee here that have helped

2    us see the role of graphs.                 I would report to you

3    that we've had considerable success over the last

4    year or two getting a number of our graphs into the

5    popular press.

6                     USA Today, from time to time, will carry

7    EIA graphs.       There have been -- I think there was

8    one a day or two ago in the New York Times.                   They've

9    had several recently.            The Wall Street Journal has

10   had some and the Washington Post.                       They now do a

11   better job of attributing EIA as the source.                       So I

12   think the emphasis on graphics has helped educate

13   the public on energy issues and brought attention to

14   the even richer data that is available for people

15   who want to drill down and find it.

16                    A couple of years ago, we collectively

17   decided that it might be a good idea to highlight

18   those who did good graphical work and give them some

19   special recognition.          One of the roles of a manager

20   is to keep track of different ideas and make sure

21   they're well coordinated, and I failed a little bit

22   in that regard because I offered at that time to

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1    personally take out to eat the members who won the

2    graphic contest and neglected to remember that when

3    I, several weeks later, emphasized the importance of

4    teams.           So now there are more and more people to

5    take out to dinner every time we have this contest.

6      So there will be less lobster and more pizza.

7                        I'd like to thank the nine judges who

8    worked on this.               We had three from the Committee:

9    Samprit           Chatterjee,          John        Grace      and     Bradley

10   Skarpness.          We appreciate your work, going over and

11   making these hard decisions; and then within EIA we

12   had       Theresa    Hellquist,           Bob     Rutchik,      Susan      Shaw,

13   Sandra Smith, Alan Swenson and Ann Whitfield.

14                       We're     about       to    announce       the    winners.

15   Winner No. 1 is the team of Mary Carlson and Phil

16   Shambaugh;         and     accepting         for     this     group    is      Jim

17   Todaro from the Office of Oil and Gas.

18                       Come on up.

19                       Mary is a repeat winner, incidentally.

20   I remember she won either last year or the year

21   before.

22                       Jim?

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1                            This      is      the      graph          that    won        this

2    particular              award,      and     I    actually          had    seen       this

3    before now, but if you can see how the graphic does

4    give             you    a    better       sense        of     the        impacts         of

5    temperature.

6                            Then our second winner is John Herbert,

7    also of the Office of Oil and Gas; and he developed

8    this graphic on the premium value of gas, reflecting

9    supply uncertainty and weather conditions.                                   That is

10   another one.                 I know John fairly well.                        I play

11   tennis with him occasionally, and I suspect that's

12   what he's doing today.                          So deliver that back to

13   John.            We would appreciate it.

14                           Then our next award winners -- actually,

15   one of the winners I see is here:                                 Michael Lawrence

16   and Hattie Ramseur from Energy Markets and End Use.

17     This is their graphic.                         This office has done an

18   excellent              job   of    developing          color       brochures         that

19   summarize a big, large document.

20                           Come on up, Mike.

21                           These brochures have been widely used,

22   and they've also helped bring press attention to the

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1    bigger document.               We find a lot of policy makers

2    don't have time to read a big document, but they

3    will read a brochure.                  In fact, the only problem

4    I've had, I handed them out at some meetings --

5    secretary's senior staff meetings, these brochures

6    -- and the problem was as we moved on to the other

7    agenda items, people kept reading the EIA brochures.

8      So I guess that's a sign you did a good job.

9                        Then the final set of winners would be

10   Joelle Davis and Imelda Rivers from Energy Markets

11   and End Use, and accepting on behalf of the team

12   would be Nancy Leach.

13                       MS. LEACH:       They're also off.

14                       MR. HAKES:        Yes.       Okay, this is another

15   pamphlet.           If   you    haven't       seen       this   pamphlet,        I

16   think you would want to get a hold of it.                                Okay,

17   it's being distributed, and I think you do see it is

18   a nice way.          In a sense, this is part of our vision,

19   I think, that in the future we may be having smaller

20   printed          publications     that      may     be      viewed   somewhat

21   like these pamphlets that are then backed up by a

22   rich array of resources electronically.                              That mix

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1    seems to make some sense.

2                       I don't know if any of the winners want

3    to thank their mothers or anybody else; but other

4    than that, I will pass it back to Tim.

5                       I always hate to miss a presentation by

6    John Wood, but I do have to go give a briefing on

7    energy to some of the staffers in the Senate this

8    morning.          We will be discussing EIA's '97 budget

9    with them, so I think I need to be there, John.                                  But

10   I'll talk with you later.

11                      MR. WOOD:         Good luck.

12                      MR. HAKES:          I appreciate it.             Thank you.

13                      MR. MOUNT:             So we move on now to the

14   first presentation on Restructuring the Oil and Gas

15   Crude Reserves Program.                  The presenter is John Wood,

16   Office of Oil and Gas.

17                      MR. WOOD:          Good morning.            Due to budget

18   reductions, our resources in the Reserves Program

19   must be reduced.               The annual reserves report is in

20   the       EIA    Flagship       publication.              It   contains          the

21   highest pro-rated data series in the Office of Oil

22   and       Gas    because     of     the     uniqueness         of   the      data.

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1    There's a 50-year history of the annual reserves

2    data.            The last 18 years of this data has been

3    published by EIA, and we would like to retain as

4    high a quality annual program as resources permit.

5                        And just some of the -- we have a 99.8

6    percent response rate from our respondents.                              Just

7    there are certain things that we do that we're very

8    proud of.

9                        Next slide.

10                       But we do have a problem.              Due to budget

11   reductions, the resources devoted to the Reserves

12   Program must be reduced.                  At this time, we do not

13   plan to conduct a full reserve survey.                          That's a

14   3800 sample out of 23,000 operators for the 1996

15   data        year.     The   1995      data      year's     survey    is      in

16   progress.

17                       Next slide.

18                       We've asked the ASA Committee to comment

19   on three possible options.                  Option one:       a complete

20   reserve survey every other year, with no reserves

21   report or survey made for intervening years.                             Two:

22   a complete reserve survey every other year, with

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1    published              reserve       estimates           based       upon        model

2    reserve's behavior made for the intervening years.

3    Three:            a complete reserve survey every other year,

4    with        published         reserve       estimates            based    upon     data

5    from a sample of the largest 150 operators.                                         The

6    remaining reserves would be modeled and estimated.

7                            We have two questions:                    (A) In light of

8    the        reduced           resources,        what       option         would      the

9    Committee recommend; and (B) Does the Committee have

10   any other ideas or proposals on how to implement

11   restructuring                for   the    Oil     and     Gas      Crude     Reserve

12   Program?

13                           Next slide.

14                           EIA     created       the     Reserves           Program      to

15   establish a unified, verifiable, comprehensive and

16   continuing statistical series for crude reserves and

17   crude            oil   and    natural       gas.         The      annual     reserve

18   report provides the most accurate yearly estimates

19   of U.S. pre-reserves of crude oil, natural gas and

20   natural gas liquids.

21                           These        estimates             were           considered

22   essential              in    the   development,           implementation            and

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1    evaluation of natural energy policy and legislation.

2      It is based upon data filed by operators of oil and

3    gas         wells      and       the     operators           of     natural           gas

4    processing plants, customers, our Congress, federal

5    and state agencies, the oil and gas industry, the

6    financial community and the public.

7                         The     reserves         data      is      used     to    inform

8    Congress and resource assessment, strategic planning

9    and modeling.              In particular, it is the annual field

10   reserve data resulting from the survey -- this is

11   field-level data -- that have allowed EIA and other

12   groups,          like      United       States       Geologic          Survey,          to

13   reassess and enlarge the oil and gas resource-base

14   estimates.           That data, then, fields the file -- the

15   oil       and    gas    integrated          field      file       which       EIA     has

16   built and maintains.

17                        A substantial loss of detail in these

18   databases           would     hamper       future       resource         assessment

19   and         modeling         efforts.              The          higher    resource

20   assessments that have been made lately have allowed,

21   for example, U.S. production estimates for gas to

22   grow         through       the    year       2015.           The    latest          USGS

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1    resource            assessment          reflects         future         additions         to

2    crude gas reserves from known fields of 322 trillion

3    cubic            feet.         That's     247     percent          higher      than     the

4    previous estimate.                      Similarly, for crude oil, an

5    increase            of    60     billion         barrels,          or    184    percent

6    higher as assessed.                        This is just the growth of

7    reserves in known fields.

8                             Next slide.

9                             Now     what      are      crude          reserves?            EIA

10   defines crude reserves as those volumes of oil and

11   gas that geologic and engineering data demonstrate,

12   with         reasonable          certainty,          to     be      recoverable           in

13   future years from known reservoirs under existing

14   economic and operating conditions.                                  Now over time,

15   increasing knowledge of an individual field, changes

16   in       price,          changes         in      technology             all     make        a

17   difference in reserve estimates over time; and the

18   net effect has been generally for increases.

19                            Next slide, please.

20                            This slide shows the types of reserve

21   data collected at the field level:                                 the data on new

22   field discoveries, new reservoirs and old fields,

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1    extensions to the reserves resulting from extending

2    the actual known boundaries of a given field, and

3    revisions and adjustments to reserves.                             The sum is

4    reserve additions.

5                         Note that the rather small -- the first

6    positive stack there is the new field discoveries.

7    The        volumetric      contribution             of       the   new        field

8    discoveries is usually quite small in the individual

9    year.            The sum of these various components is the

10   reserve additions.

11                        It   is    the     reserve          additions       in     old

12   fields, as more of the oil in places recovered and

13   estimated to be recovered, that dominates the oil

14   reserve additions.             That's the largest component.

15                        Production has been larger than reserves

16   in most years.            The red line shows the net reserve

17   change, and it's generally negative.

18                        In 1994, there was a 2.2 percent decline

19   in the crude oil reserves, and this is the smallest

20   decline in four years.                The current oil reserves are

21   22.5 billion barrels.

22                        Next slide, please.

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1                     Crude        oil     reserves          change         annually.

2    It's changes vary by region.                      You have plotted up

3    here, the blue line, the U.S. total.                               Texas, the

4    largest oil reserves state, and Wyoming, which is a

5    state with significant reserves plotted in green.

6                     In    1986,        as   oil     prices          and   drilling

7    cratered, all three dropped.                    But the U.S. decline

8    was 5 percent; Texas, 8 percent; and Wyoming, 11

9    percent.

10                    In 1990, Texas was up 2 percent.                               The

11   U.S. total was down 1 percent, and Wyoming was down

12   4 percent.

13                    And the last set of points plotted, in

14   1994, the U.S. total was down 2 percent; Texas was

15   down 5 percent; and Wyoming was down 9 percent.

16                    I     just     put      this      up       to    show      their

17   significant annual changes, and these changes are

18   not necessarily the same in any individual region.

19                    Next slide.

20                    The       reserves           data          are        presented

21   regionally.               The         reserves             are     regionally

22   concentrated, with five areas containing 64 percent

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1    of the natural gas reserves.                          Thirty-three states in

2    the federal off-short have oil and/or gas reserves.

3                            In 1994, gas reserves were up for the

4    first            time   in    four     years.          It     was   a   1   percent

5    increase            and      it's     a    good      thing.         There     is       a

6    relationship between crude reserves and production,

7    and you can't have increasing production for a long

8    period of time without stable or increasing crude

9    reserves.               The U.S. is counting on increased gas

10   production for the year 2015.                                In 1994, the gas

11   reserves were 163.8 trillion cubic feet.

12                           Go to the next slide, please.

13                           EIA's          Reserve              Program         depends

14   fundamentally on survey data gathered on Form EIA

15   23.         We receive company confidential reserves data

16   that are provided to us on the survey each year.

17   This is a sample survey of 23,000 operators.                                     This

18   represents operations in 45,000 fields.                                 The larger

19   operators, the 650 or so companies, provide field-

20   level data.                  The smaller operators provide state-

21   level estimates for their reserves.                                 In 1994, the

22   original sample was 4100 operators.

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1                          Next slide, please.

2                          Our current sampling strategy depends of

3    stratified            sampling.             There's        a       certain    E-sample

4    stratum of Category One: large operators; Category

5    Two:             intermediate operators --                     They report at the

6    field level -- and Category Three:                                  small operators

7    above             production           cutoff          were         selected         with

8    certainty.                There's a random-sample stratum where

9    there's an 8 percent sample collected.                                       State by

10   state, there's a process run which minimizes the

11   total            number    of     respondents           and        still    meets     our

12   target sampling area for that state.

13                         Base-started             sampling            areas     are:         1

14   percent for national estimates; 1 percent for each

15   of the five states having subdivisions:                                        Alaska,

16   California,            Louisiana,            New     Mexico         and    Texas;     2.5

17   percent for each state having 1 percent or more of

18   estimated U.S. reserves for production; 4 percent

19   for        each      state        having        less      than       1     percent      of

20   estimated U.S. production; and 8 percent for states

21   not published separately.

22                         Could I have the next slide?

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1                       Now     the     size       of     operators       is    very

2    skewed.          In the 1994 frame, there were 161 Category

3    One operators, and they were sampled with certainty,

4    and those operators represented 87.5 percent of the

5    oil       reserves    and     83.6      percent        of    the   crude     gas

6    reserves in 1994.

7                       The Category Two operators, 482 of them,

8    represented 5.1 percent of the crude oil reserves

9    and 10.5 percent on the gas reserves.

10                      In the Category Three operators, again,

11   the frame had 22,211.                Of those, we pulled a sample

12   of 3,431, about half and half with certainty and

13   random-sampled operators; and they represented 7.4

14   percent of the crude oil reserves and 5.9 percent of

15   the crude gas reserves.

16                      Now it is this distribution that leaves

17   us to believe that a certain new sample of Category

18   One       operators      would     provide       a    solid    set   of    data

19   every other year that reserve estimates could be

20   based on.

21                      Could I have the next slide?

22                      Now I'd like to review the options we

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1    asked            the    Committee        to    consider.            Option      one      is

2    basically no report, no survey, every other year.

3    The pros:               there's no modeling required.                     There's no

4    expenditures               for       publishing           data.           The      cons:

5    there's            no    data     collected.              The      data   series         is

6    interrupted.               The field-level data is lost.                               EIA

7    would            be     unable      to     provide        annual      national           or

8    regional reserve information.

9                            Could I have the next slide?

10                           Option two would be a report of reserves

11   made during non-survey years based on model reserve

12   behavior.               The pros:          it would provide an estimate

13   of national reserves annually for customers.                                           The

14   cons:            there's no data collected.                        The data series

15   is interrupted.                  The field-level data would be lost.

16     The       accuracy        of      the       national      reserves       would         be

17   questionable,              and       the      regional        reserve      estimates

18   even more questionable.

19                           Okay, the next slide.

20                           Option       three      is    a    report     of     reserves

21   based on a smaller survey every other year.                                            The

22   pros:            the data series is less than complete, but is

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1    not       interrupted.             The      field-level          data   for    data

2    editing          and    resource         studies         would    basically        be

3    available.             It would provide estimates of national

4    regional reserves annually that is based on data.

5    It's more reliable than option two in intervening

6    years.           The cons:       a sample of roughly 150 operators

7    would be surveyed instead of 3800.                              More estimation

8    would be required to expand the limited data sample,

9    and       the     accuracy        of     regional        reserves       would      be

10   diminished.

11                          Could I have the next slide?

12                          I'd   like      to     review       the    questions        we

13   asked the Committee to consider, and they were:                                  (A)

14   In light of reduced resources, what option would the

15   Committee recommend; and (B) Does the Committee have

16   any other ideas or proposals on how to implement

17   restructuring            for     the     Oil     and      Gas    Crude    Reserve

18   Program?

19                          Thank you.

20                          MR. MOUNT:        Thanks a lot.

21                          First    discussing          it    is     Gordon   Kaufman

22   for MIT.

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1                          MR.    KAUFMAN:              Thank        you.             It's       a

2    pleasure to be here.

3                          MR. MOUNT:            Do you want to come up here

4    or do you want to be there?

5                          MR. KAUFMAN:            I'm happy to sit here.                        I

6    have a drill sergeant voice.                       Everybody can here me.

7                          I'm    delighted          to        be        here     and,         in

8    particular, to share with you some thoughts on this

9    set       of      issues.         I    have    followed             EIA    since        its

10   inception, and my heart has always been principally

11   in what John Wood has been talking about.                                        Indeed,

12   EIA 23 is a flagship program, and it's universally

13   recognized to be so.

14                         One of the questions that John asked is

15   a     technical        question            conditional         upon        the    budget

16   being            recast,    and       we    have     to        do    this.            What

17   particular steps can we take to do imputation, or

18   whatever it may be.                    You've got to cover the holes

19   that would be left by a substantive reduction in EIA

20   23.        And as I thought about this, I said, "Well, we

21   could spend a lot of time, instead of fishing, just

22   talking about details and frames and structures and

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1    so on."           But I would rather not do that at this

2    juncture, because I don't believe that there's a

3    clear-cut technical solution to the degradation of

4    quality of data that would follow a drastic axing of

5    pieces of EIA 23.

6                        In particular, it's my personal belief

7    that the loss of field-level data will ultimately be

8    a     disaster.         And    why     do    I    believe       that?        It's

9    probably not true if you wish to compile, as you are

10   required to do, an historical record of the resource

11   base for purposes of statistical preview by those

12   who like to look at the historical record.                              But the

13   real power of this exercise comes in its ability to

14   provide          data   that    is    useful       for       detailed    policy

15   analysis both within Government and outside of it.

16                       John's presentation accents what I would

17   call Morry Adelman's dictum.                      What's most important

18   to measure are not stocks.                         They are flows, and

19   flows are changes.                 When you talk about inferred

20   reserves and proved reserves, if you back away from

21   a     traditional        view,       you're      really       talking      about

22   flows; and the proportional variations in flows --

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1    proportional to the mean or medium size of these

2    flows -- tends to be much larger than it is in

3    stocks.

4                         The old saying that "the devil in the

5    details is in the details" is present here in this

6    activity, and I'd like to return to that thought

7    after            asking   some     --     well,       not      so    rhetorical

8    questions, although you started answering some of

9    them for us, John.                What are the costs of ensuring

10   quality in this particular domain?                            It is always bad

11   politics to talk about trade-offs, but I'm neither a

12   politician nor a government administrator.                              But as

13   somebody's who's a concerned citizen, I feel it's

14   reasonable to talk about trade-offs.

15                        There are alternatives to allocation of

16   funds, just as there are alternatives to deciding

17   how much "f" work to put into a sampling strata, a

18   sampling design with a fixed budget.                            And it's hard

19   for          me,     at    least         personally,            to     make        a

20   recommendation as to which course of action, among

21   the ones that you have put down, is, in my personal

22   judgment,           the   best     without        having        some   kind      of

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1    referent.

2                               What I mean by that is that you said,

3    "Let's cut EIA 23," and presumably other things are

4    being cut; and I would hope that as you consider the

5    strategy, the kind of EIA corporate strategy, if you

6    like,            that      you     might     give       some       consideration         to

7    reallocation.                    So what are the costs of ensuring

8    quality?              I don't know the answer to that.

9                               Renee    is     going        to    talk    to   us      about

10   measuring data quality, which I think is quite a`

11   propos and relevant to this discussion, and she's

12   going            to    talk      about,      as     I    gather       in   your      nice

13   summary of this, consistency and continuity.                                           Can

14   policy           analysis          be    done     with       the    same   degree        of

15   rigor in precision as time goes on if the magnitude

16   of the cuts that you propose in EIA 23 take place?

17                              Ultimately, if you do not maintain the

18   quality of the field-level data, it's my personal

19   belief            that       you     will       substantively          damage        your

20   ability               to    do     rigorous       policy        analysis     as        the

21   current degree of precision the EIA has.                                        It has

22   taken years to build up this particular program and

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1    system, and you have an enormous amount of in-house

2    expertise and knowledge ability.                            It gets back to

3    "the devil is in the details."

4                      What's happened to the resource base --

5    the oil and gas resource base?                         It's self-evident

6    that the size distribution of fields has shifted and

7    that much more of the activity and contribution to

8    the       flows   here   is    coming       from      fields     of   smaller

9    magnitudes.        And you've got to keep track of that if

10   you want precision in this domain.

11                     So at this juncture, I will be happy, if

12   pushed, if you force me into the mold of saying,

13   "Well, we have Option One, Option Two and Option

14   Three, Gordon.           Which do you choose?"                 But what I'm

15   arguing for here is a review of this activity to see

16   if there is not a way of absolutely ensuring the

17   quality of the field-level data; and we can move

18   later to talk about the technicalities about how you

19   might do that, but I'd like to just stop there.

20                     MR. MOUNT:          We have an extra discussant

21   from the Committee, John Grace.

22                     MR. GRACE:          Unfortunately, I don't have

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1    the eloquence or diplomacy of Gordon.                              I'll just say

2    straight out it's a stupid idea.

3                          The database that's collected by EIA in

4    this activity is not only absolutely critical to

5    current policy studies, but its degree of detail and

6    ability as a database to be responsive to what will

7    be changing needs of analysts and policy makers is

8    going to grow dramatically.

9                          As John mentioned, the USGS, when they

10   came out with the national assessment last year,

11   which I worked on for the last three or four years,

12   estimated that around 300 trillion cubic feet of

13   natural gas and 60 billion barrels of oil can be

14   expected         to    come       as    additions          to     reserves      from

15   discovered            fields.          That's       not     new     discoveries.

16   Compared         to    the     proved       resource            base,   it's    over

17   double the amount of gas and triple the amount of

18   oil.

19                         The thing that we need to know in order

20   to make those assessments is the detailed level of

21   data that we find in the OGIFF file, the oil and gas

22   field information file; and without that level of

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1    detail, we can't do even the volumetric estimates of

2    how         much      we     can      depend        on         in     the     future

3    volumetrically.                 And      these       quantities             are     the

4    backbone of the future production of oil and gas

5    over the next 15 or 20 years.                                  They're not the

6    undiscovered resources that, in the survey, we spend

7    so much time and effort thinking about.

8                          As    John     showed,        the        contribution           of

9    undiscovered fields to the annual increase through

10   discoveries is very tiny compared to these, and this

11   is what we learn about in the annual survey done by

12   EIA.

13                         Could I see the next slide?

14                         Even though the OGIFF file gives us the

15   ability          to    understand          now      what        the    volumetric

16   contribution might be, the great gap that exists in

17   our understanding of the supply function of oil and

18   gas in the United States is now large and is getting

19   larger because we haven't mined the OGIFF file to

20   the degree we need to to understand the relationship

21   between          the       marginal       costs       of       those        inferred

22   resources and the volumes that will be brought to

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1    market as prices go up and down.

2                            We have an idea of what the economic's

3    proved resources are by the definition of proved

4    resources.              Necessarily, they're the resources that

5    are        capable        of      being       brought        to     market       under

6    existing price and cost relationships.

7                            We have a good idea now, as a result of

8    the          1995        assessment,           of       what       the      economic

9    relationships of undiscovered resources are -- that

10   tiny sliver which is added every year.                               But that big

11   whopping           part    of      the    bar     graph       in   John's    graph,

12   which is additions through revisions, extensions and

13   adjustments,              is    coming       from      that       section    of     the

14   supply function in the middle, about which we now

15   have some estimates of volume, but have really no

16   understanding of the marginal cost structure.                                       And

17   if we lose the resolution by reduction in sampling

18   size or other strategies -- which I understand the

19   budget problem, but then again, that's not my job --

20   if      we       lose    the     resolution         that      we    have    in    that

21   middle segment, we will have lost the ability to

22   analyze           and,    therefore,           understand          the   nature       of

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1    supplies          that    are    going      to     come      from     the        most

2    important segment of the resource base.

3                        Could you put the last slide up?

4                        The role of revisions is clear.                     It will

5    undergird          supply       in    the      future,         and     it        will

6    undergird          the    vast       majority          of     supply        --     of

7    additions to supply in the future.

8                        As    Gordon's          already          mentioned,           the

9    nature of depletion in a fixed resource base is the

10   movement away from large fields to smaller fields;

11   and that also requires that not only smaller fields

12   be more carefully sampled, but smaller operators who

13   are the operators who operate smaller fields must be

14   sampled.

15                       The    changes       in      price       and    technology,

16   especially in an industry which is becoming increas-

17   ingly dominated in terms of the number of wells and

18   the number of fields by smaller operators, is some-

19   thing that's going to be much harder to understand

20   in      the      future   just       because      of     the       diffusion      of

21   technology over a large number of small operators as

22   opposed to calling Exxon and Chevron up on the phone

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1    and       asking       them        how     they      feel      about      horizontal

2    drilling.             I understand that's not quite the role.

3    The effect is the same.

4                          Finally,           we      see      a     major        level       of

5    divestiture            by       the     large       oil       companies       and      gas

6    companies          as       they        sell      off      their        smaller        and

7    marginal           assets           which        are,         from      their        cost

8    structure, smaller and marginal assets, to smaller,

9    more nimble and adept operators who could profitably

10   produce them.

11                         So in conclusion, we definitely need the

12   ability to see the fine texture in the resource base

13   in order to understand the most important component

14   of volumes that support future supplies.                                  We need to

15   be able to be responsive to the dynamics of changes

16   in      the      resource         base      towards        smaller       fields        and

17   changes          in       the      industrial           organization           of      its

18   production            by        the      increasing            role     of     smaller

19   operators and the ability to see, in this new rather

20   different          world,           what      the      role        of   prices         and

21   technology will be.

22                         I     know       that      the      questions       that       were

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1    posed were technical questions as to how to respond

2    to a bad situation.                    The message that I'm giving --

3    and I don't need to speak for him, but I believe the

4    message that Gordon's given is that the issue needs

5    to be raised to a different plane and addressed as a

6    matter of policy rather than optimization under a

7    constraint.                 Let's look at the constraint.

8                            MR. MOUNT:         Thank you, John.

9                            The third discussant is Brenda Cox.

10                           MS.     COX:        Well,      in    many     ways    I     can

11   repeat what the two speakers said, knowing nothing

12   about            oil    and     gas.         But     just         looking    at     the

13   statistics coming out of this program, you see a

14   situation              in    which     change      can      be    rapid;    and     the

15   difference of a year or two could be important.

16                           However, I approach this topic as -- I'm

17   a     statistician.                  What's      the     best       thing    to     do?

18   What's it mean?                 What's it going to cost?                    What are

19   the quality aspects?                        So that's how I looked at

20   this.

21                           The first thing I did is look at the

22   basic design of the survey, regardless of how often

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1    it's done; and I found -- I think there are some

2    improvements needed in the basic design.                                        In the

3    sampling plan that's being used, I think -- there

4    appears to me that there may be more certainties

5    than actually need to be.                      In business surveys, you

6    have        a    very   skewed       distribution.               So        a   classic

7    business design is to have certainty selections and

8    then differing probabilities of selection based upon

9    size.

10                         In this design, you're either certainty

11   or you're 8 percent, and I think there might be

12   something            that   could       be     done      there        that         would

13   improve the efficiency.

14                         Another       thing       I     notice          is       that        a

15   rotating design is not being used here.                                    It's very

16   common when you're measuring change and when change

17   is      highly       important       over     time      to      use    a       rotating

18   panel approach in which some people are deliberately

19   kept in the sample from year to year and rotated out

20   so      that     a    certain      percentage          of      your        sample        is

21   common from one year to the next.                              And I think that

22   kind of approach should also be considered.                                    So with

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1    that        respect,         I     think       there       are      approaches           that

2    could be used to improve the basic design.

3                           Then I wanted to comment on what's being

4    done in estimation from a statistical sense.                                             This

5    design           has     a        phenomenal           response             rate;        just

6    absolutely phenomenal.                          Phenomenal is 100 percent

7    for       the     certainty            and     99.something            for    the        non-

8    certainty.               That's           just       incredible.               It        says

9    something about the value of this data system that

10   people will respond at such a rate.

11                          Now presently it doesn't appear to me

12   that any adjustment at all, though, is being done

13   for what non-response actually exists, and I would

14   recommend          there          are     some       fairly         simple    weighting

15   class adjustments that could be made.                                         You don't

16   need to do an imputation the way it was mentioned in

17   the       documentation                here.         But    I       would    suggest           a

18   weighting class adjustment there.

19                          Then        I    was      a    little         concerned           that

20   there's a lot of imputation occurring.                                        There's a

21   lot of imputation occurring because operators don't

22   have information that they can report to you.                                            Some

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1    operators,             particularly         the     very         small    ones,        are

2    reporting production.                    They don't report reserves at

3    all, so reserves are estimated for them, as well as

4    adjustments, revisions, new discoveries, et cetera.

5      And that's a little scary, in fact, for me.

6                           How those imputations, shall we say, are

7    being done is by developing a model for what their

8    reserves would be based upon their production.                                       That

9    ratio, which is used to estimate that, is based upon

10   the people who actually report reserves.                                  Well, the

11   people reporting tend to be the larger operators.

12   So you kind of have -- you're estimating what your

13   smaller           operators        are     doing       --    your        very      small

14   operators are doing -- based upon people who are

15   bigger than they are, and it just makes me feel very

16   uncomfortable.                I don't know there's anything that

17   can be done about it, but it's something really that

18   needs to be recognized.

19                          In reading the results of this study,

20   you don't see in actual survey estimates that they

21   make enough -- I don't think you make enough point

22   about            the   fact      that,       in     fact,         some    of       these

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1    estimates,              even       for      the     survey       itself,           are      not

2    actual            estimates.                  They're          approximations                 or

3    guesses.                And       that's       not       to    say        that,      in     the

4    aggregate, they're not good.                              I couldn't respond to

5    that.            It's just that a lot is being estimated.

6                            Now to get to the basic questions we

7    were asked, I suspect there may be no choice but to

8    do something.                 A lot of programs are being cut now

9    and,         frankly,         the       cuts      in     agency           budgets       don't

10   always           flow    from         what      agency         has    a     fat      budget,

11   unfortunately.                     So    assuming         something            has    to      be

12   done, I think that we should look to the subject of

13   cost versus quality and, in particular, to say that

14   EIA        will      not       produce          estimates,            approximations,

15   between-year               projections              if        they        cannot      create

16   something of satisfactory quality.

17                           Now EIA has a perfect opportunity to see

18   what it can do.                      It's got a past data series that

19   you can use to model, to say, "Well, what would have

20   happened           if     we       had      modeled        for       the       intervening

21   years."             In    fact,         you     can      develop          an   estimation

22   approach,           use       a     certain        portion           of    the     data       to

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1    develop          your    estimation          approach,          and    then      use

2    another portion to test it out and to say, "Okay, if

3    we had used this first ten years here to develop our

4    estimation approach, how well would we have done for

5    the next few years," just to see, you know, the

6    circumstances             in     which       your       --      you     probably

7    shouldn't         call     it    "estimation,"           by     the   way.         We

8    probably should call it "projection."

9                        Under       what        circumstances            would     your

10   projection              approach         work?                What     kind        of

11   circumstances would lead to large variations in your

12   projections versus reality?

13                       So that would be the first thing that I

14   would suggest:            that you do a little pen and pencil.

15     I think you've got all the tools available to you

16   now to do that and determine that; and that might

17   answer one question, and that is, how well can you

18   do with a sample of 150?                      How much does 150 large

19   operators          give        you     in    terms       of      making       those

20   projections versus none at all?

21                       Now the other question I have to bring

22   up is the subject of your frames.                               Frames can go

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1    only so long without being updated, and I don't know

2    what        the        ideal     update       period       would      be     for    this

3    frame.            I noticed in the documentation that it said

4    that some units were updated every two years.                                             I

5    don't            know    what     the      normal       range       would     be;     but

6    definitely, if you skip a year, there's going to

7    have to be a full-frame updating before the next

8    survey.

9                            In other words, some of the cost will be

10   greater for this every-other-year survey.                                    You'll be

11   doing more updating.                        The updating may not be as

12   efficient of your frame.                        You may have to trace more

13   operators to find out what happened to them.

14                           There's also a potential for coverage.

15   This survey is doing something that I would do, but

16   you have to recognize that it can be a problem -- or

17   I've done in the past for business surveys, and that

18   is, when you go out with an existing frame and you

19   start looking for people to find out they're there,

20   after            you    search      and    search       and        search,    and     you

21   can't find them, you conclude that they're out of

22   business and gone.                     But that may not be the case.

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1    It just may be that you can't find them.

2                                Now     I've       made      that         same     assumption

3    myself,               but        it's   a     potential          source        of    under-

4    coverage that you have to worry about; and it could

5    lead         to       a     potential          continuing         deterioration               in

6    quality.                    There       really      wasn't        a     discussion            of

7    coverage for this frame, so I don't know how well

8    the coverage is of the existing frame.

9                                Then we get to the issue of how well can

10   you estimate; and then given, and then next, how

11   much        better           could       you     estimate        with        large      units

12   here; and then what would be the cost of all of

13   this, because I think it's a trade-off between all

14   of these.                 Then, in addition, I'd say, "What would

15   EIA do personally were its own uses?"                                        Forget about

16   users.            For its own uses, what would EIA do if they

17   didn't have these estimates in the off-years?                                               How

18   does             it       affect        EIA's       own       internal          programs,

19   procedures, your models, your decision making.

20                               Thank you.

21                               MR. MOUNT:         Thank you, Brenda.

22                               So     we're        open        to        the      Committee,

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1    Campbell.

2                        MR.      WATKINS:              Let         me       make      three

3    comments.          When I saw this item five on the agenda

4    that John had provided, as a euphemism I was going

5    to say, "Well, it's sad."                      But I'm actually shocked

6    with the situation in which you're placed.

7                        I     say    that     because,        if        anything,         the

8    case can be made -- and I think it can be made

9    strongly -- that the reserve analysis and reserve

10   data, the United States, should be expanded rather

11   than contracted.                The reason for that is that there

12   are still gaps, significant gaps, in knowledge about

13   what is happening to the United States' oil and gas

14   reserves.

15                       You     might       argue      that        a    country,          for

16   example, like Saudi Arabia, where they really don't

17   know         and   don't     care       too     much      about         what      their

18   reserves are -- if you were in that position, maybe

19   this        doesn't       matter     that      much.           But      this      is      a

20   situation          at     least      with       respect            to    crude        oil

21   reserves where the reserves are seemingly declining,

22   and       it's     that    much      more     important             that   detailed

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1    reserve data be available.

2                            I think I'm right -- and Gordon, you can

3    comment on this -- that perhaps the best and most

4    detailed data available are reserves for any country

5    is the information available in Canada.

6                            MR. KAUFMAN:          A western --

7                            MR.     WATKINS:            A    western         sedimentary

8    base.             Hopefully,         the     United       States'        information

9    would be moving in the direction of that sort of

10   detail,           and    the     types      of     areas      or       the    types      of

11   information             that      would      be    useful         to    see    further

12   extensions of U.S. data would be in the critical

13   areas            of    distinguishing          affirmly           between      enhance

14   recovery              reserve     additions;         that         is,   a    gauge       of

15   proportion of the recovery of the oil in place for a

16   given area -- distinguish between that and, say,

17   what I call aerial extensions in the reservoir by

18   developing drilling -- reserves added in that way --

19   distinguishing more between types of technology, and

20   John             has     mentioned          horizontal             drilling,           and

21   providing              finer    detail       on    reserves         by       play,     and

22   thereby voiding in terms of reserves analysis of

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1    what the term or what I can term "aggregation prob-

2    lems."

3                            So the fact that you seem to be a place

4    with the situation, where you're going the opposite

5    direction, is, as I said at the start of my column,

6    really quite shocking.

7                            The second comment is that the uses of

8    these            data    seem      to      be     expanding           rather     than

9    contracting.                 For example, there are proposals to

10   augment the national accounts to reflect resource

11   depletion.

12                           John,     that's        not      on      your    list        of

13   functions here, but I'll add to it.

14                           Gordon is aware of the work that Morry

15   Adelman and myself have been doing on valuing in

16   situ reserves and the way that might be utilized to

17   address           the     problem        of      adjusting        the     national

18   accounts           if,       in   fact,       that      was      pursued.          Any

19   application             of    that      kind      of    analysis        relies       on

20   accurate           reserve        information          and,      in    particular,

21   accurate information on the changes in the reserves.

22                           So that the situation, in terms of the

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1    importance         or     the      underlying          importance         of      these

2    data to my mind, is increasing, and it's increasing

3    from         desires      to      more      properly            accommodate           and

4    reflect the question of the valuation of reserves in

5    a        context        of       accounting            for        depletion             or

6    appreciation, as the case may be.

7                        My last comment is that everybody thus

8    far seems to have jointly avoided the questions that

9    John         --   the   options         that      John       has    put    to         the

10   Committee.              So     that     may      at    least       give    you          my

11   preference, which is clearly for option three.                                        You

12   do not want to avoid publishing the reserves report,

13   make it every other year; and at least if you were

14   to have the sum of 150 as the distribution that

15   clearly shows in your own data, you are going to

16   pick up a lot of information by doing that.                                      So my

17   vote, if you are forcing the situation -- I hope

18   that would not be the case -- would be for option

19   three.

20                       MR. MOUNT:           Cal?

21                       MR.      KENT:         Can     I    begin      with    a        very

22   mundane question; that is, how much money are we

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1    talking about?         What's being spent every year --                           I

2    have kind of a vague recollection -- and what are

3    the costs of the three options?

4                       MR. WOOD:       Maybe a three-year time we've

5    gone from about $1.7 million to $1.5 to $1.3 to what

6    we are targeting under out latest budget scenario is

7    more like $870,000 a year.

8                       MR. KENT:      That's to do the full --

9                       MR. WOOD:       Right.        And then that is the

10   full cost of running the surveys, maintaining the

11   system,          maintaining      the      frame           activities,        the

12   quality assurance activities.

13                      MR. KENT:         And what are the costs of

14   your options, then?

15                      MR. WOOD:      I'm sorry?

16                      MR. KENT:        What are the costs?                  If we

17   went with option one, option two and option three,

18   what would those -- obviously, option one costs us

19   almost nothing.

20                      MR. WOOD:         They're not, we hope, just

21   tremendously         different.          If     you        have   a   cost      of

22   running a survey one year and you decide that you

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1    will run it every other year, but in fact try to

2    maintain the same qualities, the same frame quality

3    --      and      the    frame      quality       is     almost    the    key      to

4    getting a good set of reserve estimates.                                Over the

5    years, we've investigated lots and lots, more and

6    more sophisticated sampling to lower the sampling

7    rate and keep the same target rate, et cetera.                                  But

8    it always comes back to:                      the frame has to be good

9    or you're not going to get anywhere.

10                          So   coming       back      to    the    question,       you

11   can't simply take the cost of doing the survey every

12   year on a smooth ongoing basis and divide by two.

13   That just isn't the way it happens.                                We haven't

14   really gotten down to what we would call precise

15   estimates          on,      you    know,      dollar-by-dollar          kind      of

16   savings; but it is in the several hundred thousand

17   dollar range, in kind of marginal costs, to go get

18   the smaller operators.

19                          MR. KENT:           Well, I think it makes a

20   whale of a lot of difference as to which option one

21   recommends             if   one     knows       what      the    cost    savings

22   actually are on these; and I don't know how you

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1    could make a decision, quite frankly, unless you've

2    got a good estimate of:                  if we go with No. 1, our

3    current budget is $800-plus thousand.                             It will only

4    be $200,000; or if we go with option three, we're

5    only going to save $100,000 if we went with option

6    three.           Then   for    that      $100,000,           it    may      be       an

7    entirely         different       conclusion          than         if    you        say

8    $500,000 by going with option three.                         Even making an

9    imprecise mental cost-benefit calculation, you know,

10   I'd need to know what the price tags, or at least

11   the approximate price tags, are here so that one

12   could make the evaluation, at least mentally, how

13   much are we going to lose under each one of these

14   compared         to     the    cost       savings           that       we      would

15   experience under each one of these.

16                      MR. WOOD:        Okay.      I would comment on the

17   option two.           The first year or two costs may well be

18   higher if we executed it well in just the additional

19   modeling study.

20                      MR. KENT:       That's not costless.

21                      MR. WOOD:       What?

22                      MR. KENT:           That's not costless to do

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1    that.

2                        MR. WOOD:            So in fact, you know, on

3    several grounds option two doesn't look particularly

4    good.

5                        On the option one, there are things that

6    we know are somehow qualitative in concept, but we

7    know are costly to avoid that we just haven't tried

8    to make assessments of, and that is that we know we

9    have to do some very serious frame maintenance to

10   make sure that, on an every-other-year cycle, we

11   really approach the same type of quality that we're

12   used to.

13                       And two, the operators tend to have to

14   store the data in a slightly different way for us on

15   an operated basis than they do -- have to for their

16   own personal use.                So if you skip a year, there's

17   enough turnover in the staffs of the companies that

18   we just anticipate a great deal more problems in

19   executing the survey.

20                       So obviously I'm hesitating to try to

21   give         a   precise    quantification             of     the   difference

22   between, for example, option one and option three.

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1    It would, you know, probably be in the 10 percent of

2    the budget kind of options.

3                            MR. KENT:       Okay.      And the second comment

4    that I would want to make, although I do think you

5    should generate more precise cost estimates of these

6    three options, would be to call attention to what

7    Brenda had previously said; and that is, with 50

8    years of good data, 18 of them are your own, if

9    you're            going    to    use      some      sort        of    a    modeling

10   technique,              you've   got     enough       data      to    be    able      to

11   back-cast or something like that and come up with --

12   to see really what you are going to lose of this

13   fine texture by just going back and saying, "If we

14   had done this."

15                           Now, again, in the first year, that's

16   not going to be an inexpensive process.                                     But you

17   could            very   easily     establish         whether         or    not    this

18   approach for the intervening years is going to lead

19   to a significant diminution in quality just of your

20   data just by going back and testing this option in

21   the way that Brenda has suggested.

22                           MR. MOUNT:       Richard?

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1                          MR. LOCKHART:             I have a comment and a

2    question, I guess.                  The comment is to probably one

3    you've already thought about, but when you come to

4    1998, and it's the second time you haven't done a

5    survey or a full survey, or you're looking only at a

6    fragmentary survey, you won't have '96 data.                                  So

7    when you go back and when you're developing modeling

8    methods for filling in the intervening years, you'll

9    be able to look at modeling methods which utilized

10   data from two years ago, as well as simple one-step-

11   ahead-type forecasts.                     And those modeling methods

12   will not be nearly as useful when the two-data --

13   two-step-behind data is missing.                          And so you'll want

14   to think about how well you'll be able to modify

15   your models when you don't have this two-year-old

16   data come, say, 2,000 or 1998.

17                         The second -- that's just a remark.

18                         The question I wanted to raise was that

19   you showed us two graphs:                          one which showed that

20   large            operators    were      roughly        responsible   for      85

21   percent of reserves; and then you focused on a graph

22   which talked about things in reserve, and Gordon

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1    talked            about        the     importance          of      flows.          Large

2    operators               are    responsible           for     what       fraction         of

3    change of reserves?                     In other words, this certainty

4    sample, 150, you have 85 percent total reserves, but

5    we're            really       trying     to    measure       changes.           So     how

6    important are they for that?

7                             MR.    WOOD:          Well,      actually       I     have      an

8    overhead that would probably make that reasonably

9    clear.             This is for the changes in percent of the

10   annual crude oil year by year, so we have 18 surveys

11   in here or 17 changes.                         The percent change is the

12   solid line for the total U.S. crude oil reserves,

13   and the dotted line is a category one reported crude

14   oil reserves.

15                            So    the     flippant        answer       is    that,        you

16   know,            they     represent           85   percent         of    the    change

17   because they represent 85 percent of the reserves,

18   and the changes tend to match.

19                            It is kind of interesting, the biggest

20   mismatch -- for example, one of them is in 1986,

21   when the price of crude oil went from $25 a barrel

22   in December of 1985 to $9 a barrel in July of 1996,

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1    and the drilling dropped several thousand rigs in a

2    six- or seven-month period and there's tremendous

3    turmoil.                So the idea of -- you know, there are

4    things that happen which may explain when there are

5    bigger changes.

6                            Now we actually, in fact, looked at how

7    you       might         do   simple       projections             of   this    at     the

8    national level.

9                            Bob, would you put that next overhead

10   on?

11                           This    is     about      the      simplest      thing        you

12   could do for the annual national-level crude oil

13   reserves.               What we did there was use the first 12

14   changes to calibrate that model and then projected

15   the next file; and the average absolute error in

16   those            five    years      is    about       .4     percent,         and     the

17   largest one was about .6 percent.

18                           Now obviously bigger changes than that

19   do happen, as it happened in 1986; but then again

20   there are other things that might help explain the

21   changes in certain years.                         Again, you would expect

22   to be a little better in oil because the percentage

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1    represented           by     the     large       operators        is   a   little

2    higher.            As you go to the regional level, the larger

3    states would probably not be too much different than

4    this.             As you move into the smaller states, you

5    would            expect   certainty         because        often    the    larger

6    operators don't represent as big a piece of it.

7                          I might comment on two or three threes

8    things as kind of a ready answer.                               We do have some

9    imputation            processes         designed         that      account        for

10   response rate in the size and the expected behavior

11   of the very small operator.                        In the last two years,

12   we simply haven't implemented it because, you know,

13   there was no need to do it for the small certainty

14   operators, and there's a very small problem for the

15   category three.

16                         Some of the imputation processes for the

17   small            operator    reserves,          they      are     significantly

18   different            than    for     the     large       operators.           On      a

19   national            level,      the      reserve-to-production                ratio

20   might be 9 or 10 to 1.                     In New Mexico for gas, it's

21   like 15 to 1.               For the smaller operators, it's more

22   like 6 to 1.                 So that sample of more comparably

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1    sized operators who make their estimates in kind of

2    similar ways, you know, there's a lot of difference

3    in       the      way       the      smaller        operators          are    actually

4    estimating compared to the reported data for the

5    larger ones.

6                            MR. MOUNT:            Why don't you leave that up

7    there, because I think it will stimulate some more

8    discussion.

9                            John?

10                           MR. GRACE:           I would just suggest, though

11   that graph itself does provide some confidence in

12   the national-level aggregate, the greatest concern

13   that        I     have      is     not      in    the     ability       to    peg     the

14   national-level aggregates or even state-level.                                      It's

15   in the field data.                     And it's by the analysis of the

16   field            data       that       we're        going         to   get     to       an

17   understanding               of       how     much       of    these     volumes         of

18   adjustments, revisions and extensions are going to

19   be contributed to supply; and that ultimately is

20   what we care about.

21                           I   mean,        even     more       to     Morry    Adelman's

22   point of the flows are what matter, changes in the

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1    stock can be conceived as flows, but really what we

2    all care about is the flows that come out of the

3    ground not moving categories between reserves.                        And

4    it's the flows that come out of the ground that are

5    affected by the structure of marginal cost, and our

6    ability to understand marginal cost is dependent on

7    that fine texture that's available in the data that

8    never shows up in the book.

9                        MR. MOUNT:         Does anybody else from the

10   Committee want to make comments?

11                       MS. COX:        Just the emphasis on field-

12   level data.           Field-level data isn't being obtained

13   for the small operators; is that correct?

14                       MR. WOOD:        That's correct.        Probably 5

15   percent of the data is at the state level, and that

16   data is very carefully matched painstakingly by Bill

17   Monroe, Office of Oil and Gas, back to the fields

18   where we appear to not have the coverage; but we do,

19   from supplementary data sources, get to dimension.

20   The reserve data, then, is distributed mostly over

21   the small fields -- very small percent back over

22   those.           So it's accounted for in the system.             There

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1    is always at the margin, there's data you don't know

2    at the field level.

3                      MR. MOUNT:              Is there anybody from the

4    public who would like to make comments?

5                      I have a few.                 Basically, I would like

6    to endorse comments that have already been made:

7    that I think that the importance of the costs and

8    the        trade-offs        that      Cal      talked         about    for      the

9    different options is clearly important; the value of

10   a     rolling     sample         that       Brenda       talked        about     for

11   understanding           a    very      dynamic        situation,         and     the

12   ability to do the sort of modeling that you have

13   just        described       with     data      that     have     already       been

14   gathered -- that a number of Committee members have

15   mentioned.        But I want to add one more thing, and

16   that is that these data really do matter, and the

17   cost of acquiring them is really relatively small

18   compared to the cost of many other components of

19   government.

20                     I think it would be very unfortunate if

21   we got into the situation where we're looking at one

22   data set versus another data set within EIA.                                         I

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1    think the important thing is to recognize that in a

2    situation where things are changing, and here the

3    ability           to   extract       oil     has     improved           dramatically

4    over the last few years, sort of understanding these

5    things better is absolutely essential really for the

6    benefit of the country.

7                           This    is     a   highly       strategic          commodity,

8    and the same thing can be said for the issues that

9    we discussed yesterday about the changing structure

10   of the electric utility industry.                                 This is a very

11   dynamic situation and that we cannot understand it

12   without           having      good     data.          The        role    of   EIA      is

13   absolutely essential in this sort of endeavor.

14                          So if you want to have anymore remarks

15   -- have you covered all of your responses?

16                          MR. WOOD:          Well, other than that we'll

17   certainly look into the panel approaches and, then

18   again,           would   also       allow     for     a    certain        amount       of

19   certainty sampling in various panels and potentially

20   the sampling according to size.                                  But I think the

21   driver of what we have arrived at over the years as

22   the sampling procedures is, you know, we have kept

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1    refining the sample size for a given target.

2                      Two, there is such a turnover in the

3    companies -- you know, where a 15 percent change in

4    the frame or more is not uncommon --                            that, you

5    know, we spend a lot of time keeping track of that;

6    and two, any given company can acquire a very large

7    proportion of the reserve base, I mean, half percent

8    and things, even though they're not a particularly

9    large company, through acquisition or something else

10   and the company owner of it.

11                     There's       been      a   tremendous      movement         of

12   the fields operatorship amongst the companies during

13   the last seven years.                In fact, we've documented and

14   tracked that.        So there's been at least a 50 percent

15   turnover         inside      the      companies          on   their      field

16   operatorship.        What that always makes me worry about

17   is that if they'll be such potential for erratic

18   change in a given year, that if you missed any of

19   the sample size and if you don't sample, you know,

20   the larger groups, basically we'll sample. And I

21   thank you for your comment.

22                     MR. MOUNT:           So it looks as though we're

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1    a little bit ahead of schedule, which is very good.

2      I propose that we take a break now and meet back in

3    15 minutes, because our last discussant, Dan Relles,

4    wants to rush off at the end here, and that will

5    give him a better chance of getting to his next

6    meeting.

7                       So I thank all of the contributors this

8    morning.          I think this has been a very important

9    discussion.

10                      (Whereupon, a short recess was taken.)

11                      MR. MOUNT:           So the first presentation,

12   we're revisiting a topic that the Committee has been

13   concerned about for a number of past sessions.                                This

14   is        an     update     on      issues         pertaining       to          the

15   restructuring         of     the     natural       gas       industry.          Roy

16   Kass, Office of Oil and Gas.

17                      MR. KASS:          Hi.      Good morning.         I'm Roy

18   Kass, from Reserves in Natural Gas Division of the

19   Office of Oil and Gas; and I'm going to talk about a

20   sub-part of what has been distributed to you in the

21   past, and I understand came along in a most recent

22   package of material:                the results of an EIA Process

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1    Improvement Team that was looking at gaps in our

2    data.            Specifically, they focused on gaps in the gas

3    data.            We've got a lot of them.

4                          The    two     that     are      most     important       are,

5    first,           there    were     missing       information        that      would

6    enable separate identification of what it costs to

7    transport gas.               There is no way that any reasonable

8    analyst can parse apart the stuff in our data series

9    and get an estimate that they would be confident in;

10   that this is a transportation cost specifically for

11   a given leg or to get gas from one place to another.

12                         The second problem that they focused on

13   was coverage in the measurement of prices.                             This has

14   to do with the changes in the industry that have

15   happened over the past 10 or 15 years.                              I remember

16   coming and speaking to the ASA Committee two years

17   ago when we had noticed the problem.

18                         The problem really comes from the fact

19   that         all     of     our    surveys        go     to     companies       that

20   physically move the gas.                     Our monthly survey and our

21   annual survey go to those companies, and we asked

22   them essentially two questions.

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1                           The first question is:                    How much gas do

2    you sell to customers that you deliver gas to, and

3    what        did       you    get    for      it?         What's        your    revenue

4    stream?

5                           The second question is:                   How much gas do

6    you -- as we pointedly put it -- transport for the

7    account of others?

8                           In    the     second         case,        our    respondents

9    obviously have absolutely no idea what the cost was.

10     All they can tell us is what they generated as the

11   revenues for their transportation function.                                    Because

12   of that, we do what we call "shade in" the revenue

13   thing.            We don't ask anything about that.                       Keep that

14   thought in the back of your mind.                                  It's going to

15   come up later.

16                          As    the     industry        has    changed           over     the

17   past        several         years,     more        and    more     gas        has    been

18   transferred             to    what      we      call     transportation              gas.

19   Customers, especially large customers, can cut deals

20   from all sorts of sources to buy gas for less cost

21   than             if   they      went       to       their        friendly           local

22   distribution company.                     As a result, we are getting,

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1    as I said, less and less of the gas.

2                      We know that.               We try to be up-front

3    about it.         We publish a representation of how much

4    gas, by state, is covered in our price series.                               But

5    people tend to not look at footnotes.                          They tend to

6    interpret table titles the way they want, and a lot

7    of folks say that the number we're publishing -- for

8    instance, for industrial gas -- is the cost of gas

9    for industrial customers in a state.

10                     This     shows      the     representation          of     the

11   past        several   years.        The     earlier         data   series      is

12   industrial.            We've        been       monitoring          industrial

13   transportation versus sales for longer than we've

14   been monitoring commercial.                     And you can see that

15   the industrial is in pretty poor shape.

16                     Nationally, in 1994, we caught about 25

17   percent of the gas; '95 trended down even more; and

18   we figure our preliminary estimates are something

19   like 20 to 22 percent of the gas nationally.                             There

20   are some states where we capture 100 percent; there

21   were some states we capture substantially less than

22   5 percent.        If anybody is working for information in

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1    the state of New Mexico, for instance, and wants to

2    do price, beware.                It is glitchy as all get out;

3    okay?              And     that's         because          we're          capturing

4    approximately 3 percent of New Mexico gas.                                     I got a

5    call on that a couple of weeks ago.

6                        Well, in terms of the coverage issue and

7    the misinterpretation issue, there was an article in

8    NG magazine in the last session that mentioned me

9    and it came to my attention, and I'll quote from it:

10

11   "It seems that the U.S. Government has no idea what

12                       industriales really pay for natural gas.

13                        The      prices        that      me       and        my      group

14                       painstakingly           release           every       month         in

15                       EIA's     natural        gas      monthly         publication

16                       under      the      rubric        average         price           for

17                       natural gas sold to industrial consumers

18                       by state are nothing of the kind, and

19                       the Government readily admits it.                                 The

20                       question is, what do we do about it."

21   What        I'm    doing    here      today      is    really         a    progress

22   report.           It's a heads-up on what we are doing about

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1    it,        what     we     intend     to     do     about       it,     and    it's

2    something to keep in mind.                          I have some concerns

3    that I'll voice at the end about this.

4                         Okay.        So as I said, we monitor natural

5    gas         delivered        to     end-users.                 By     doing      the

6    measurement on the molecules, we're missing more and

7    more of the gas.                We have a basic approach that we

8    came up with in terms of how could we fill in this

9    gap,        and     this   really      has     two-sided        parts     --     two

10   parts.

11                        One is:         go to the people who pay the

12   bills.           They know what the bills are.                      The other is:

13     go to the people who send the bills.                                 They know

14   what the bills are.                 On the one hand, we've got the

15   consumers.               There are, in the industrial sector,

16   about 20,000 transportation consumers.                               That's off-

17   system sales.              Their average consumption a year is

18   something on the order of 300 million cubic feet of

19   gas.             That's a lot of gas.                They are big users,

20   comparing them to the 185,000 on-system users that

21   have an average of about 11 million a year, okay?

22   So we're talking a big difference.

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1                           That         proportional                 difference            is

2    approximately the same as commercial sector as well.

3      We're talking really big commercial users that cut

4    their own deals; relatively small commercial users

5    who don't.

6                           Well, if we've got a frame of 20,000 and

7    we wanted estimates by state, we're talking about a

8    daunting sampling effort.                       If all things were equal,

9    I would opt for doing something other than that on a

10   monthly survey.

11                          There is the other than that.                     Those are

12   the guys who pay the bills.                        Go to the guys who send

13   the bills; okay?                There is a marketing industry that

14   has developed and consolidated over the last few

15   years.           About three years ago, what it took to be a

16   marketer was a business card and a phone.                                 But each

17   of them have bought each other out.                                    It's gotten

18   bigger           and   bigger.           They      have     gotten      bigger         an

19   bigger,          rather;       and     now    we     have        a   pretty   stable

20   group of marketers.

21                          There's an organization up in Bethesda

22   called Ben Schlesinger and Associates that each year

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1    puts together a directory.                    It is the only source

2    that we have located that represents itself as a

3    comprehensive          listing        of     marketers.             It      has

4    approximately 450 entries.                 The top 65 to 70 of them

5    account for about 90 percent of the gas.                            So that

6    represents, you know, a target of opportunity that

7    we're trying to take advantage of.

8                       We're going to go to the folks who send

9    the bills, the marketers.                  We're going to enumerate

10   the top 65, a cut-off sample; all right?

11                      Among   the     advantages          of   going   to      the

12   marketers are that they represent the set of actors

13   who sell the gas.              They could potentially capture

14   sales to commercial and residential consumers.                              The

15   residential off-system sale component is small now,

16   but there have recently been a lot of changes in

17   state regulation and state rules; and looming on the

18   horizon over the next five years is an increase.

19   There are a lot of experiments going on in several

20   states.          There are a lot of marketing affiliates set

21   up by OBC's to cap that market -- and, as I said,

22   it's a small target.

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1                         Disadvantages are that they're not used

2    to EIA.           They are not used to regulation.                        They are

3    not used to filling in our silly forms.                                    And we

4    frankly do not know how, you know, the impact of

5    that is going to play out.

6                         Conversely, EIA is not used to them.                           We

7    really           don't   know    what      they     have       in    their      data

8    system; okay?            We really don't know, on a day-to-day

9    basis, what they need to do their jobs.                              One thing I

10   learned when I came into the statistics business is

11   that         if    you   ask     people       something,            if    you     ask

12   companies          something,       that      something         better       be     in

13   their routine business records, or you are not going

14   to get anything worthwhile.

15                        So the proposed solution is:                        go to the

16   folks who send the bills.                      We have a draft survey

17   form.

18                        Could I have No. 3?              Oh, let me have No.

19   4.

20                        This is really drafty.                   It's last week's

21   version and it's changing day to day.                                    It's the

22   operational part.

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1                           What we're going to ask them, by state,

2    is how much the gas they deliver, f.o.b. burner tip,

3    and how much gas they deliver -- they sell, rather,

4    f.o.b. burner tip, and how much gas they sell f.o.b.

5    citygate; and for the citygate price, that just gets

6    it into the local distribution system.                                   We're not

7    going to ask them this thing called "distribution

8    charges," because that's what the local distribution

9    system charges to get it from the pipeline to the

10   customer's company.

11                          There    are     anecdotes         that     say    that      in

12   some cases that last ten miles has a confiscatory

13   rate.            Why it's important is that in the case where

14   we got the burner tip sales, we want to unduplicate.

15     In      the      case     where     we    have       the      f.o.b.    citygate

16   sales,            we   want      to      add      in     order      to     get        a

17   representation of what the true retail price might

18   be; okay?

19                          Now may we have the old three?

20                          In   terms      of     the      whole     flow     of    gas,

21   that's a real simplified schematic.                                 Every place

22   that a line hits the box or a line hits a circle is

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1    a place where a sale can take place.                                    A marketer can

2    sell at the well head.                            A marketer can sell at a

3    market            hub.        A     marketer         can       sell     at    a   storage

4    facility, at an interconnect, at a place where one

5    pipeline meets another.                         We do not know how much of

6    a marketer's sale they're going to be able to tell

7    us took place to a consumer in a given state.                                           This

8    is something that we're going to go out and find

9    out.         So we have that as a caveat.

10                            Another thing we have as a caveat is

11   that we're interested in states to consumers -- I'm

12   sorry,           sales       to     consumers         by       state,    and      we    have

13   anecdotal           stories from a couple of the marketers

14   already that say they sell to a big customer.                                             The

15   customer takes it up in, let's say, the state of

16   Ohio and moves it to his plants that are located in

17   Ohio, Kentucky and Michigan.                                They know this, but

18   they        don't        know        how     much     gas       goes     to    Ohio,        to

19   Kentucky and to Michigan.                           So again, a problem that

20   might end up really being problematic.

21                            Okay.          We're       in     a    pretest       mode      now.

22   We've            sent    a   draft         to   OMB      for     clearance        in      our

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1    pretest; we intend to mail out to the companies next

2    week.            We're going to ask them to fill in a form for

3    one state, get it back; and mostly we're doing this

4    for two reasons:                      first, to find out whether they

5    can       fill         it    in     from      their       company     records.            I

6    imagine if they can't, we will hear very quickly.

7    Second,               to    get      entree       to     them.         We've      tried

8    telephone contacts, and frankly we ran into a lot of

9    stone walls.                 They won't return our calls.                      We are

10   not business for them.                          As I said earlier, they're

11   not used to doing business with EIA; EIA is not used

12   to doing business with them.

13                              Okay.         Additional           questions   which         we

14   can't            do    in    a    pretest       because        it    wasn't    in     the

15   original OMB clearance.

16                              Jerry -- is Jerry still here?

17                              MR. MOUNT:         Just gone.

18                              MR. KASS:          Just gone; okay.            He, I was

19   hoping, could make me straight about what we can and

20   cannot do at the OMB connection.

21                              But with the OMB clearance process now,

22   there            are        two     iterations           of     federal       register

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1    notices.              In the first federal register notice, we

2    intend           to   find      out    what      states       the      marketers         do

3    business in and the stage of the gas flow, in which

4    the transaction takes place.                          If we find that we're

5    going to be able to capture a lot of gas at those

6    places with two "x's," that's different from where

7    the        transactions            take       place      in       other    of      those

8    potential places.

9                            Okay.         We see some upcoming problems,

10   and this is where, oh, maybe next year we'll come to

11   the Committee and ask for some advice.                                  But this is

12   really a heads-up.

13                           What if we determine that we can expect

14   to fill in some of the gap in coverage?                                   Right now,

15   we're missing 80 percent; okay?                               Let's say that we

16   can fill in, in a best-case analysis, 80 percent of

17   that; okay?              That's different from if we can fill in

18   10 or 15 percent of that.                       This could happen because

19   trades           that    are     out     of    scope.             It   could    happen

20   because of insufficient data in corporate records.

21   It could happen for a lot of reasons.                                     But we've

22   got, on the one hand, we could fill in a lot of the

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1    gap.             On the other hand, we can't fill in a whole

2    lot.

3                          Then we've got to make some decisions.

4    The first is, at what point is it worthwhile to

5    continue with the survey?                          We call it the "901"

6    because we gave it a name.                            Now with this survey

7    will come corresponding modifications to the monthly

8    857.               We're     going      to      unshade         what     our       400

9    respondents,               through      our      monthly        form,       report.

10   They're going to have to report the transportation

11   revenue for their transportation gas.                              We're going

12   to unshade our annual report transportation thing.

13   So on an annual basis, all companies are going to

14   report a transportation revenue.

15                         At what point is it worthwhile to go to

16   that        effort?          Basically,         the     question,       I   think,

17   comes to what's going to be the most beneficial to

18   our customers:               if we go forward with the 901 or if

19   we do something else.

20                         And the something elses that we can do,

21   just        to     give     you    three      examples:           one,      we     can

22   continue as we do.                  We publish all reported prices.

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1      We give a caveat table saying this is the coverage.

2      We let our customers do with it as they will.                                              A

3    lot of customers misinterpret, misrepresent what our

4    numbers are.               This is especially problematic when

5    you get part of the industry press picking up the

6    price table, not mentioning at all what the coverage

7    is, and going forward saying the price in state X is

8    $10 this month.                  Well, it is for a very little bit

9    of gas.

10                           The second thing we could do is report a

11   price for state only if the coverage exceeds some

12   threshold.               For     instance,         I    said      that       there       are

13   states           with    less      than     5    percent.              Are   we      doing

14   anybody           any    real       benefit        by    reporting           out       that

15   state?           Well, if the 5 percent is too little, what's

16   enough; okay?             What's the threshold going to be?

17                           Finally, we could drop the price series

18   from publication altogether.                           Are we doing a service

19   for publishing a 20 percent coverage price?                                              The

20   belief           has    been     that     the     prices          we   publish,          the

21   prices we gather, are a biased estimate of what a

22   true price for that category of customer is, but it

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1    tracks well with what the true price is.                                    This is

2    really            an    article     of       faith,     and       it's    been         the

3    religion that I've been working with for a while.

4    But we don't know; and if people share that article

5    of faith, that's one thing.                        If they think that it's

6    a true data point, they're clearly wrong.                                   We know

7    it's a bias.                 We're assuming that it's a constant

8    bias.             We have no idea what the magnitude to the

9    bias is.

10                           Thank you.

11                           MR. MOUNT:           We have no formal discussant

12   for this presentation, but hopefully there are some

13   comments from the Committee.

14                           MR. KENT:        Well, this is really off the

15   cuff, but will the end of the world really come if

16   you quit publishing the price data?                                And I ask that

17   really,            I    guess,    as     a    serious       question,       because

18   years ago, every time everybody said they wanted us

19   to publish prices, so we published prices so they

20   could            beat   us   up     about      the    prices       we    published.

21   And,        I     mean,      this    almost       seems          like    it's      self-

22   flagellation or something on our part.                                    You know,

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1    why do we need this grief?                             I mean, unlike what the

2    presentation we heard earlier on reserves, you know,

3    where            I   think          we     all      understand              the    absolute

4    essential nature of that, what would we lose if we

5    quit doing it?

6                          MR.          KASS:           Okay.          I     can       give        you

7    anecdotes; okay?                     I get calls from time to time from

8    people who are in contracts that were written years

9    ago,         where        a    price         they        paid     is        geared       to     a

10   published price.                       That's one use of our data.                              I

11   understand with the advent of the spot market and

12   with the advent of the future's market, more and

13   more contracts are not relying on EIA, and that's

14   probably as it should be.                           But we don't know how our

15   customers are using our data; okay?                                     The one way to

16   find        out      is       to     not      do    it    and         see    who     squeals

17   loudest.

18                         MR. MOUNT:               Campbell?

19                         MR. WATKINS:                  Let me make a couple of

20   comments and suggestions.                           First, have you looked at

21   the              possibility              of        collecting               information,

22   particularly on the transportation rates from the

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1    EBB's or electric bulletin boards and the lifelines?

2                      MR. KASS:            Extensively.              It does not

3    fill the entire transportation classification.                                   The

4    EBB's are at the margin of the rate.

5                      MS. BISHOP:         Use the mic.

6                      MR. KASS:         I'm sorry.          The EBB's, to the

7    extent that they cover a price, cover the price at

8    the margin; not the long-term commitments.                                   That's

9    one thing that we looked at early on.

10                     MR.      WATKINS:               But       an         increasing

11   proportion of the gas is transported so-called at

12   the margin.

13                     MR. KENT:        Yeah.

14                     MR.      WATKINS:                So       that        is       not

15   insignificant information by any means.

16                     The second idea is -- you touched on the

17   contracts        --     whether      you      could,        by     a    sampling

18   process, acquire information from contracts on the

19   pricing          provisions,         transportation                provisions.

20   There are some data that are in the public domain in

21   any case.         I think I'm right in saying that any gas

22   that         crosses    international           borders,         that        those

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1    contracts have to be filed in the public domain in

2    the United States, and there is some information or

3    source of information on prices and transportation.

4                         MR. KASS:        That's interesting.

5                         MS.    BISHOP:           People       are       saying    they

6    cannot hear.

7                         MR. WATKINS:          Sorry?

8                         MS. BISHOP:         Talk louder.

9                         MR. WATKINS:           Sorry.        Let me repeat what

10   I       was       saying      about        use       of        the    contract's

11   information, where it can be in the public domain,

12   or obtained by satellite.                     A lot of the contract --

13   or some contract information for international flows

14   is in the public domain in any case.                             They offer --

15   I mean, I was really surprised, and so must you be

16   very uneasy about the amount of information you have

17   on the industrial sector.                      I mean, if your average

18   is 25 percent, as you pointed out, with respect to

19   New Mexico, you're very, very low.

20                        Now    since       all     that      international          gas

21   does reach a lot of market areas -- I mean, it's not

22   as      if       you're    talking      about       a     rim    prospect.           I

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1    suggest you could at least look at that.

2                            Could you put up the flow of natural gas

3    graph, again, because I had a couple of comments on

4    that.

5                            It    goes    to    the     question,          a    point         of

6    clarification:                I take it where you had the "X" with

7    the LDC, that indicates a citygate process.

8                            MR. KASS:       Right.

9                            MR.    WATKINS:           The     omission,         or        what

10   seemed to be an omission, is why you wouldn't want

11   to have an "X" either in the well head or the gas

12   plant as well.

13                           MR.    KASS:          The     way        the    survey          was

14   designed, we're really aiming at getting a retail

15   price.              The       further        away       from       the      site          of

16   consumption              the      sale        takes        place,          the        more

17   transportation                costs     we're       missing,           okay,        which

18   flows            back    to    the     fact      that       we     can't       monitor

19   transportation costs.

20                           MR. WATKINS:          But perhaps related to my

21   earlier comment, if you did collect some of the,

22   let's say, point of -- whether the sale at the --

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1                      MR. KENT:        Let's say the point of "X" is

2    the gas pump.

3                      MR. WATKINS:          -- which is the base for a

4    lot of it, and again going back to the facts that

5    you may have some information in the public domain,

6    the transportation to the point of the price, that

7    could give you, say, a citygate price somewhere down

8    the line --

9                      MR. KENT:           That's what I thought they

10   did.

11                     MR. WATKINS:            -- if you had the well

12   head or gas plant exit price as well.

13                     I'm just trying and groping around for

14   ways you could try and fill some of these gaps.

15   That's all I have.

16                     MR.    MOUNT:              Anybody       else    on      the

17   Committee?

18                     Well, I suppose I would like to say the

19   obvious:          the   price         does     matter      for    analysis,

20   particularly of the industrial sector, and I find

21   the       idea   of   trying     to    get     information        from     the

22   brokers on the supply side very interesting.                               I'm

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1    sorry that the Committee hasn't commented on that.

2    Maybe I could encourage somebody to say something.

3                       I feel that, in addition, this is the

4    sort of thing that may have to be considered for the

5    electric industry.              It seems inevitable that there

6    are going to be brokers who both represent groups of

7    suppliers         and    brokers        who        represent    groups        of

8    consumers who were involved in competitive markets;

9    and I think that if there is one group that I would

10   like         to   know   the     price        of    gas     about,   it       is

11   independent power producers, and presumably they're

12   one of the ones that you're missing.

13                      Are there any comments from the public?

14                      Oh, sorry, Campbell.

15                      MR. WATKINS:           Let me just make another

16   comment on what you just raised.                      I should say there

17   is a lot of information in the trade press, at least

18   on spot prices, hub centers and various points along

19   the system.            So all is not completely bleak on the

20   gas          pricing     outlook,         and        the     trade      press

21   publications do provide some key information.

22                      MR. MOUNT:        Cal?

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1                             MR. KENT:           Well, let me just raise an

2    issue            about    who      should       be    collecting        this      price

3    data,            since    you      brought       up    the     electric      people.

4    What role should FERC be playing in this?                                        And I

5    throw            it    out    as     a     theoretical         question      because

6    somebody's going to have to have the clout.

7                             I'm not that much familiar with other

8    gas markets, other than one in West Virginia anyway,

9    but I do think that what Roy said, if you go to

10   these brokers, they've got no incentive to report to

11   you.             They may not really have the data in the way

12   that        you        want   it.          The     way     they      keep   data        is

13   basically the way they're accountant wants it for

14   their            tax   purposes,          and    I    just         really   begin       to

15   wonder if we've got a problem here.

16                            Certainly what you pointed out about the

17   IPP's and their consumer of gas is that if there's a

18   real regulatory issue here, that we're just going to

19   spend a lot of time beating our heads against the

20   wall, trying to get information that if somebody

21   doesn't have a bit of a stick, we're not going to be

22   able to get.

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1                           That was all I was saying, because I

2    think you're absolutely right.                            As the electricity

3    goes        the       same    path    that      natural          gas    went,      we're

4    going to have more and more difficulty; and this

5    even comes back to the confidentiality issue that

6    we've had before, because brokers are certainly not

7    going to want to have their data put out there where

8    it might become public record for their competitors.

9                           MR. MOUNT:          Well, to offer a carrot in

10   this process, certainly a lot of the things that are

11   done in land grant universities gather information

12   that individuals might be reluctant to release, but

13   that they're actually very interested in looking at

14   reports that contain all the data, obviously without

15   the individual entities identified.                                So this is an

16   advantage to the people who are providing the data

17   on this, you know, as a long-standing tradition with

18   agriculture commodities.

19                          Have you any final comments?

20                          MR. KASS:         No.      I think I would like to

21   follow           up    with    Campbell         about       the        reporting         of

22   important places.

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1                       MR.    MOUNT:           So     thank      you    all         for

2    presentation.

3                       We can move on to the next topic and

4    pick up some time for Dan.                     So we're moving now on

5    to an issue that I think many of us are interested

6    in, statistical issues pertaining to re-engineering

7    at EIA.          All I can say as an introduction is I hope

8    that re-engineering is going better here than it is

9    at Cornell.

10                      The   first       presentation           is   Measurement

11   Model for Information Management Processes by Nancy

12   Leach, Energy Markets and End Use.

13                      MS.   LEACH:           As    Tim     said,      I'm      Nancy

14   Leach.           I'm reporting today as a member of EIA's

15   business re-engineering or BR team.                          For those of

16   you who have handouts -- it looks like this -- the

17   last three pages are details on each measure.                              Oh, I

18   see Renee is giving them out right now.                          It provides

19   the measure, the target, the collection frequency

20   and the data collection method.                        As I talk, I may

21   not give every single piece of those, but you do

22   have that in the back.

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1                           What I'm going to do this morning is

2    provide an overview of the performance measures for

3    only the information management.

4                           Okay,      the      next     slide          --    or   the       IM

5    sections of the BR.

6                           Want to do the next slide?

7                           Essentially,           these          are        the   survey-

8    related           processes:            how       to    design          the   survey,

9    collect the data, process the survey, and then put

10   the       data     out.         As    you     see,     develop          the   design,

11   create           and    update       the     frame,       request         respondent

12   data, receive respondent data.

13                          Next.

14                          Then    we     import       information.               This      is

15   when        we    use     non-EIA        data     sources.              We    call      it

16   imported data.                We clean up the data, and we protect

17   the confidential data, and then we create what we

18   call the information components, or these are your

19   graphs, your charts, your tables, your explanatory

20   text.

21                          The first set of measures are for survey

22   information.                   The       first         two       refer        to      the

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1    availability time for the survey estimates and for

2    the survey data.               The idea is to get the data out

3    faster than we currently do.

4                         The third measure is to track the change

5    in respondent burden.                  This is to keep up with our

6    legislative mandate of -- I think it's a 10 percent

7    reduction in burden each year.

8                         Our     fourth       is     for      edit      performance

9    statistics.

10                        You want to bring up the next chart?

11                        The idea here is to identify good edits;

12   that is, edits that track truly erroneous data with

13   a      minimum       of    respondent          burden         and     processing

14   burden.          A    good    edit      changes        bad     data      and     then

15   provides better data, better quality.

16                        Our   performance           statistics         we    defined

17   were frequency of errors detected, the number of

18   erroneous        records       identified,          the       number     of      true

19   errors identified -- again, trying to get at was

20   this valid data?              Impact of identified errors.                         Did

21   it make a difference?

22                        Sure,    you've        identified         all     of      these

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1    errors.            You went back to respondent.                         Respondent

2    said, "It's fine with me.                            That's exactly what I

3    told you, and I still agree that that's the correct

4    answer."           Well, we don't change the record.                          We have

5    wasted           our    time     by     calling        back       and   irritate         a

6    respondent.             So maybe that's an error that we would

7    want to drop.               And then the number of changes made

8    as a result of validation.

9                           Again,         sure,        identified           all      these

10   errors, but did I change anything because of it?

11                          The emphasis -- let me just say -- can

12   we go back to the one with the yellow tag on it?

13                          The emphasis from the BR Team was to

14   make these automatic; to try to put all of these

15   flags, these counts, within the edit and imputation

16   programs themselves.                     Right now a lot of this work

17   is done manually.                  You go to your error, your error

18   list, and you say, "Oh, yeah, I got five errors

19   flagged."              It's more likely 500 usually -- and then

20   checking it all.

21                          So   the       idea      is    to     get    all   of       this

22   created automatically so we don't have to sit up

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1    there and keep track of all of these edits.

2                     The fifth survey information performance

3    measure is imputation performance statistics.                    Now I

4    was told -- now we can go to the imputation slide --

5    that some of you all might not be used to dealing

6    with the real world where we have recalcitrant and

7    imperfect respondents.              So we do have to do some

8    imputation, and that's essentially the filling in of

9    the missing data.

10                    We   have    unit      non-response,       where     the

11   respondent has refused to complete the form at all,

12   or item response where somewhere in the midst of the

13   form, someone just doesn't answer a question.                       It's

14   skipped or whatever.

15                    Do you have the next one?

16                    So   the    imputation        statistics    that     the

17   group came up with:           the number of total data items

18   imputed, the percent of one particular data item

19   imputed, percent of the total data set imputed, and

20   the effect on the file data.                Does imputation make a

21   difference?      Is it worth the time and effort?

22                    We   identified        two     measures    associated

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1    with data requests.             Essentially, number one is your

2    postal returns.           In the old world, where we mailed

3    forms as would be your postal return, how many bad

4    addresses did you have?

5                         Number two is the cost.                  How much did

6    you have to spend to get the report out?                        And that's

7    the cost fer form.              Again, the idea is to minimize

8    these.           Let's get fewer returns and for less money.

9                         Data receipt measures.                 We had four of

10   those.           It's your percent data entry error by method

11   of entry.           Your percent response is received by the

12   due date.            This is a critical one for many of our

13   surveys.            Our respondents don't respond on time.

14   Therefore, it throws everything off.                         So our target

15   here is to try to minimize that.

16                        The cost per data item sell.                 How much

17   does it cost to get a particular form keyed?                        Is OCR

18   more expensive, as direct as key, whatever.

19                        Then the fourth is time from deadline to

20   continue the next process.                  How long does it take to

21   get from one step to the next.                        In general, again,

22   the idea is to kind of cut down on the amount of

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1    time spent between all of these steps.

2                            Next one.

3                            We also looked at a performance measure

4    for imported -- again, this is your non-EIA data.

5    We often bring non-EIA data in to benchmark our own

6    data or to check sets of our data sources.                                            Here,

7    the measure is the amount of time spent cleaning the

8    imported data.                 You know, do you spend all of your

9    time cleaning the data, so it's really not worth

10   bringing it in?

11                           We    also      defined         a    frame          or    sample

12   measure.               Again, trying to use our resources most

13   efficiently, we're looking at the number of births,

14   deaths,           and        updates       categorized            by      source         and

15   volume.           Is this particular source worth the amount

16   of time or effort and money that we put in?                                           Do we

17   update           our    form?         Is    it    really          worth     our       frame

18   updates?

19                           And     our        last      measure           is        on      the

20   information component.                      Again, this is where you're

21   creating your graphs, your tables, your explanatory

22   text, reports.                Here, the measure was designed to be

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1    number of accesses or hits in the electronic data

2    basis and transmittal of virtual and/or actual hard

3    copies.          Again, the idea is to maximize those.

4                        And Renee will continue on.

5                        MR. MOUNT:         Thank you.

6                        The    second       presentation:            Is    There        a

7    Summary          Measure     of      Data     Quality,         Renee    Miller,

8    Office of Statistical Standards.

9                        MS. MILLER:           Good morning.          Can you all

10   hear me okay?             Okay.      Nancy told you about all kinds

11   of measures that we developed during our business

12   re-engineering process.                   But the one thing that we

13   don't have is a summary measure of data quality.

14                       Now this issue came up several times,

15   and       several    times      we    concluded         that    it     was    very

16   important,         particularly if we make our data more

17   timely.          But we also concluded that we didn't know

18   how to do it.              So we're now turning it over to you

19   and have the following questions.

20                       Is     it     worthwhile           having     a     summary

21   measure?          Do you have ideas on what it should be?

22   Or maybe we should look at this from a different

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1    point of view and concentrate on the explanatory

2    notes in our publications.                            Should we do more to

3    standardize the descriptive material?

4                            Not to worry.               We're not asking you to

5    look at this from scratch.                            I'm going to describe

6    available              measures,        give        background        on     previous

7    efforts, and give you an outline of a proposal that

8    Dwight French and I worked on during the business

9    re-engineering process, but that wasn't adopted.

10                           Okay.       To start with what's available,

11   we        compute            and     publish         revision         error,         the

12   difference              between         our       preliminary          and         final

13   estimates.              Now this measure in particular has been

14   criticized             as     not    being      a    good         measure    of    data

15   quality because it doesn't tell us about the final

16   estimates.              How do we know that the final estimates

17   are any good?

18                           There's an additional problem.                        Suppose

19   we don't revise the data?                       Does that mean there's no

20   error?

21                           We    also     compute        and     publish        sampling

22   error            and    response        rates;       and      while        these     are

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1    considered important measures, the general feeling

2    was       they     don't       tell     the    whole       story.        We    also

3    discuss non-sampling error in our publications, but

4    it's a discussion.                It's not a particular measure.

5                            Going back in time, EIA used to conduct

6    what         we    called       validation         studies.           They     were

7    cradle-to-grave examinations of the data; and as I

8    describe           in    the    paper,        they    proved      to     be    both

9    extensive          and     very      expensive       and       were   eventually

10   discontinued             when     our    budget      was       reduced    in     the

11   1980's.            But they did provide information on the

12   major sources on non-sampling error.

13                           For example, they included an audit of

14   company           records       which       gave      us       information         on

15   measurement error.                   They also included a search for

16   deficiencies in the frame which gave us information

17   on coverage, and they also included a comparison of

18   hard        copy    with       the    automated       file      which    gave      us

19   information on processing error.                           And sometimes the

20   information we got was actually quantifiable.                                    But

21   what we didn't have was a way of adding it all up to

22   get total survey error because sometimes the errors

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1    were offsetting.

2                      We also, in the early days, did a lot of

3    comparisons        with   other       series;       and    in   the      early

4    days, the comparative series were plentiful.                                   We

5    considered the series that we were interested in the

6    "reference" series, and we computed the comparative

7    series as a percentage of the reference series.

8                      So   let's    take      crude      oil    imports,         for

9    example.         We had three comparative series and we had

10   data for three years.                 So we considered it nine

11   independent estimates.              In other words, we had nine

12   independent estimates of the ratio described in the

13   first bullet.          Well, with nine estimates, you can

14   compute a mean, a standard deviation of the mean, at

15   a 95 percent confidence interval.                         And that's what

16   we did.          So for crude oil imports, the 95 percent

17   confidence        interval      was      99.2     to      100.8,     and       we

18   therefore concluded that our data on imports were

19   accurate to within 1 percent.

20                     Well,    as      you      might         imagine,       these

21   conclusions about accuracy were not well received,

22   because we didn't have all that much information

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1    about the comparative series.                         In some cases, we

2    didn't really even have a clear idea of how the

3    comparative series were obtained.

4                       So    although         we     continued          to    perform

5    comparisons, we stopped coming to conclusions about

6    data quality based on them, and we shifted our focus

7    to explaining and resolving discrepancies.

8                       Okay.       Moving on to more recent times,

9    we've looked at elements of data quality, and this

10   may look familiar to Dr. Kent.                        It's from his 1991

11   presentation at the annual ASA meeting.

12                      We         identified               four              elements:

13   timeliness,        customer        satisfaction, consistency and

14   continuity.             This approach differs from the work

15   that was performed in the validation studies where

16   we were trying to measure total survey error.                                   Here

17   we      were     looking      at    the     fitness          of    use     of     our

18   statistical products.                And since 1991, we've made a

19   lot of progress in measuring timeliness and customer

20   satisfaction,           but     we      don't       have          measures        for

21   consistency or continuity.                     By consistency, we meant

22   how well our data compare with other series.                                    Were

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1    they consistent over time -- or rather, were they

2    internally consistent; and for continuity, we meant:

3      are we measuring the same thing over time?

4                        Okay.       Moving on to even more recent

5    developments,            some    of    you     may      recall   at    a      few

6    meetings ago, Paul Biemer suggested that we prepare

7    quality          profiles    where       we    describe       what's      known

8    about each source of non-sampling error.                             And this

9    came up when we were discussing data on imports and

10   exports.

11                       Well,       we    didn't        prepare      a    quality

12   profile for imports and exports, but we recently

13   completed one for the Residential Energy Consumption

14   Survey.          It's this purple publication.                   This was a

15   joint effort between the Office of Energy Markets

16   and End Use and Office of Statistical Standards, and

17   Tom       Jabine,    a    former       committee         member,     was      the

18   principal author.

19                       Another development also in the energy

20   consumption area -- which, by the way, is Nancy's

21   area here -- is a succinct set of notes for the

22   Commercial         Building      Energy       Consumption        Survey,        or

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1    CBECS.           And that's what you have in attachment one

2    of      the      paper.     These       notes      describe         the    survey

3    methodology, sampling and non-sampling error, in a

4    very concise way.

5                         So now that I've given you an idea of

6    what we've looked at in the past, let me move on to

7    the business re-engineering proposal.                               As I said,

8    this issue came up several times, and several times

9    we      thought      it   was   important,          but      that    it    wasn't

10   doable.            But Dwight French and I went ahead and

11   worked on it anyway.

12                        We   realized      the     reason       that     it      seems

13   undoable was that there were several dimensions of

14   data quality, and we listed some of them.                                 There's

15   sampling error, measurement, coverage, non-response,

16   what we called "methodological consistency, which is

17   really the same thing that Dr. Kent called "continu-

18   ity."            And these dimensions differ in the ease in

19   which they can be quantified.                        Sampling error, for

20   instance, can be computed directly from the data.

21   Now methodological consistency, we didn't know how

22   to quantify that.

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1                           Ideally, you would like a series to be

2    stable over time -- not to have any breaks -- but

3    sometimes,             due    to    changes       in     the     industry,       it's

4    inevitable that you revise your data collection; and

5    the issue is:                  Does the series get penalized for

6    having breaks?

7                           Now some of these other dimensions -- it

8    sounds like they should be easily quantified, you

9    know, such as measurement error.                            But we don't have

10   information for each survey on an ongoing basis.

11   This is the type of information that we obtained

12   from             the   validation          studies         which     have        been

13   discontinued.                So the question is:             what to do?

14                          Well, we thought that since we did have

15   some information from each survey, what we should do

16   is gather the information together and then rate

17   each survey on each of the dimensions.                             And we would

18   have two categories:                   the level of knowledge we have

19   and the quality level.                    We thought we would use a 1-

20   to-5 scale since that seems to work in our customer

21   satisfaction surveys, where 5 meant things were just

22   wonderful.             On the other hand, 1 meant they were not

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1    quite so wonderful.

2                           So to give an example of how this would

3    work, let's take non-response.                       A survey might get a

4    score of 5 on the level of knowledge for a non-

5    response if, say, there was documentation available

6    on       the       response          rate,    on     our      follow-up        and

7    imputation procedures, and the key information was

8    presented in the publications.                       A survey may get a 5

9    on the quality level for a non-response if, say, the

10   response rate was 98 percent in terms of both number

11   of       respondents           and     volumes       reported.          And      in

12   attachment two of the paper, there are lots of other

13   examples of how this scale might work.

14                          Well, as you can see, attachment two,

15   you know, was getting kind of complicated.                                  As a

16   result of these complications and other unresolved

17   issues,           this   Business        Re-engineering        Team     decided

18   not to pursue this procedure.

19                          Some of the issues were:                    who would do

20   the rating?              Now the Committee might be thinking,

21   "Well,           you   know,    this     is   kind      of    an    interesting

22   abstract issue."                But one of the possibilities was

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1    we were thinking that maybe the Committee would help

2    us do the rating.

3                           One of the other issues was the time

4    involved.              The perception was that this would be

5    very time consuming.

6                           The third issue was:                      Could we really

7    ensure consistency?                       A general feeling was if we

8    could            be    precise       enough       that      we      could       ensure

9    consistency,             would       we    really      be        giving       any    more

10   information              than        you      could        obtain         from         the

11   explanatory notes?

12                          So that brings us back to the original

13   questions.               Is     it     worthwhile           having        a     summary

14   measure?              Are there ideas on what it should be?                              Or

15   should we take a different approach and try to do

16   more to standardize the descriptive material.

17                          Thank you.

18                          MR. MOUNT:          Discussant Dan Relles.

19                          MR.    RELLES:           Regarding          the        question:

20   "Should you have a summary measure," yesterday my

21   answer was no, but today it's yes.                           So I'll say why.

22                          The "no" was a knee-jerk reaction based

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1    on two observations.                      One is the summary quality

2    measure that has come out of statistics related to

3    modeling is one of the most misused objects I know

4    of; namely, R-squared.                    R-squared is interpreted by

5    most        people     as     being       sort     of     a     measure    of     the

6    quality of a regression model.                                It's equal to 1

7    minus the sum of square's error over the sum of

8    square's total; and the sum of square's error indeed

9    is      a        measure    of    quality       in      the     sense   that      the

10   smaller that gets, the better you are.                                    But the

11   denominator            is     a       measure      of     diversity        of     the

12   original            population,          and      that's         something        you

13   couldn't do anything about.

14                         So if, for example, I took the amount of

15   heating oil consumed during the winter from RECS,

16   and I kind of took the homogeneous population of

17   people who lived in, I don't know, Tennessee, and

18   regressed that on income, I'd probably get an R-

19   square that was around .15 maybe.                             But if I took the

20   entire            country,        I    think      the         regression        would

21   rediscover that the south and the west are a little

22   warmer than the northeast, and I'd probably get a

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1    regression in the neighborhood of .90.

2                           Nevertheless, R-squared is highly touted

3    by people as a measure of quality; and if you talk

4    to social scientists, the first question they'll ask

5    you is:            Was it over 20 percent?                      If the answer's

6    no, they don't want to talk to you anymore even

7    though           you   can    have      R-squares          of     .05   that       are

8    tremendously important for policy purposes, because

9    they can measure fairly steep relationships.

10                          So, okay, the potential for misuse is

11   one        thing       to    recognize.              The        other   thing        to

12   recognize is that any measure of quality is even

13   more complicated than what you described because it

14   depends on the uses to which it will be put.

15                          So let's take a number like 1.0, which

16   many of you will recognize.                        But I don't think that

17   many of you know that it's the sine of 89 degrees to

18   one       significant         digit.           Now     is       that    a   quality

19   number?            Well, I calculated it last night on my

20   calculator, and I assure you -- and I did it three

21   times and I got the same answer each time.                                      So I

22   assure you it's a quality number.

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1                           But now ask me, "Okay, well, what am I

2    going to use that number for?"                            Well, if I were to

3    try       to     use    it       to    plot    a    sin     curve,      it        would

4    correctly get me up to close to one.                              So that would

5    be good.           If I wanted to compute a cosine, it's 1

6    minus the sin-squared, square rooted, I think, and

7    that would get me close to zero.                          But if I wanted to

8    compute a tangent, it would point me to infinity.

9    So      it's      pretty         lousy     for     that.          So    what         was

10   apparently         a     quality        number      is    no    good        for    that

11   particular application.

12                          By the way, that quality number has one

13   attribute         that       I    think     you     all    wish    the       reserve

14   numbers would have; namely, the value of the number

15   doesn't degrade over time.                       I mean, the sin of 1 is

16   going to be the same thing tomorrow.                            So you can ask

17   the question, "Well, okay, that's a quality number.

18     But how can I get an even higher quality number?"

19   The       answer       is,       "Well,     let's      compute         it    to      two

20   significant digits."                    And the answer there is .98.

21   That's still probably not good enough for computing

22   tangents, but it's better than 1.0 for many other

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1    things.

2                      I could go on and perhaps produce -- do

3    the       best   job    I     can      and     produce         it   out    to     100

4    significant        digits         but       the    main        point   that       I'm

5    trying to get across is that you really have to ask

6    what are you going to use that number for?

7                      I guess another number that comes up a

8    lot         in   statistics            is      the      cumulative         normal

9    probabilities.              Let's say at 3 or 4 the value is

10   1.0000, which is fine for a lot of things, like how

11   significant        is    this        regression          coefficient.             But

12   it's pretty lousy for things like computing hazard

13   functions or likelihood functions or other kinds of

14   things that depend critically on, not the cumulative

15   CDF itself, but sort of 1 minus the cumulative.

16                     So with that preamble, I was really sure

17   that the idea of a single summary measure was really

18   a bad idea.

19                     But on the other hand, you look at how

20   many smart people have wrestled with this, and you

21   have to say, "Well, there must be something there."

22                     It's       kind      of    like      ravioli's       a   really

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1    good idea, because if you look at how many cultures

2    have adopted something similar to ravioli, like the

3    Chinese have dim sum and the Jews have kreplach, it

4    must be a good idea.

5                     So what I tried to do is look for kind

6    of a thread that would unite a lot of the stuff that

7    I saw today.       The idea, I believe, is that quality

8    really is a number that you ought to attach to a

9    process that data have gone through; and I want to

10   propose a process where the numbers are 1, 2, 3 and

11   4.         I guess I would assert that the higher the

12   number, the higher the quality.

13                    The quality, what it's really trying to

14   measure, is the degree to which you've empowered the

15   user of the number to deal intelligently with the

16   problems of the numbers.             So by telling you that the

17   sign of 89 degrees is 1.0 to two significant digits

18   -- or to one significant digit, I've given you all

19   the information you need to deal intelligently with

20   that number.

21                    And that's what I want to try to do with

22   regard to the things you collect in surveys.                     My

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1    intention is to sort of find a place to put each of

2    the things we saw today, as well as Calvin's earlier

3    remarks.            So I'm going to propose a 4 point scale.

4    The       higher      you    go    on    the     scale,        the   higher     the

5    quality of the data or, equivalently, sort of the

6    more of the data are understood so you can deal with

7    its problems.

8                         On the first level, I think timeliness,

9    consistency -- oh, and these things also tend to

10   correspond to the order in which you do these things

11   and the order in which you might actually chop off

12   doing them if your budget comes into play.                              I think

13   everything that EIA tries to do, sort of achieves at

14   least level one, namely, it's timely, consistent and

15   continuous.            I think over the presentations I've

16   seen over the last couple of years, I mean, there's

17   every effort given to getting the data in faster,

18   higher quality, pay attention to whether or not it's

19   consistently coded over time.                           If not, alert the

20   user of that.               And I believe these are the natural

21   initial steps that one takes when compiling any data

22   set.             So I'll call those sort of the prima facie

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1    validity observations.                  I believe they're satisfied

2    with virtually all data that we see here.

3                        The      second          level            I        would        call

4    "metadata," which means data about data, and that's

5    where I'd put a lot of the stuff that Nancy and

6    Renee showed us this morning.                         First, you have to

7    know what values the data can take; and what I think

8    of there is building a database that describes the

9    data you have.               I think of things like value the

10   data can take on.                   What are the values of null

11   values?             What      is     the      frequency                of   imputing

12   something?          How often are the data missing?                            What's

13   the time rate of decay of the information?

14                       It's     sort      of    all      the         stuff      about        a

15   variable or a data set you'll need to kind of make

16   initial judgments about it.                         I think of that as

17   perhaps          something      that      could       exist        on       the     Web.

18   Wherever         you   see     a    number       on     --        if    you       had     a

19   database that described all of your variables, a

20   consistent metadata base -- when I was on the Web

21   before I came here, I thought how nice it might have

22   been to be able to click on a data value and kind of

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1    open up something that explained more about that

2    than I could see.                 As a matter of fact, I couldn't

3    see any metadata on the Web when I went looking for

4    it.

5                         But     again,        if     you      had      a       database

6    organized like that, it would be easy for you, I

7    believe, to click on any number and get sort of the

8    standardized description out of that.                                   I believe

9    your        lists    today        that    include       errors      of       various

10   kinds and everything else would be valuable things

11   to pop up when I clicked on that number.

12                        The other thing might be as a management

13   tool,            because     when        EIA      is      having            to        face

14   information, face its cuts, it would be really nice

15   to be able to have kind of a common format for

16   descriptions of databases and variables in it so

17   that        if,    for     example,      you     decided       it   was          really

18   important           to     look    at,     in    eliminating            a    survey,

19   whether timeliness was really that critical in it,

20   that you could just kind of grab the time dimension

21   descriptors of the data and at least be reminded now

22   that this reserves data set is really time important

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1    and perhaps another data set is not.

2                            So I think metadata building is really

3    an important activity and that all of the things

4    that you and Nancy -- Renee and Nancy discussed this

5    morning             really         ought        to       go        into     metadata

6    descriptions.              So anything that had full metadata on

7    it, I would give it two.

8                            Then there's another level, which I'll

9    call level three, which is -- I think what the user

10   would            need     in     addition          to     be       able     to        deal

11   intelligently with the errors, and that's a document

12   like this, which I think is a marvelous document.

13   It describes a survey in a way that if you gave me

14   the data and gave me this book, I think I wouldn't

15   shoot            myself   in      the     foot.         It        talks    about        the

16   design,            the    coverage,           non-response,               measurement

17   error, data processing and imputation, how to do

18   estimation and sampling error -- which includes a

19   discussion of weights -- comparing it with other

20   estimators, and some suggestions for data users.

21                           I really think this is a terrific model

22   of how to document your surveys, and I believe that

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1    -- oh, yeah, it's the thing that Renee waved too.

2    It's         the       residential                energy        consumption           survey

3    quality profile.                       There was a similar one in a much

4    earlier draft stage for the commercial -- what was

5    it?         CBEC, Commercial Buildings Energy Consumption.

6      But RECS is definitely at least a three in quality

7    given that, and the other one isn't quite done yet.

8                               Again, that's likely to come after you

9    assert your timeliness and you build your metadata.

10     It's           a    lot       of     effort       to      produce       one    of      these

11   things,              and    I    fear        that      in    the        budget   cutbacks,

12   you're not going to be able to do too many of these.

13     But that's okay.                       You just advertise your data as a

14   two instead of a three and blame it on the budget.

15                              How do you make it a four?                             Well, I

16   think            making         it      a    four      is     building       still         more

17   metadata, and that's sort of user-oriented metadata.

18     It's about the users' use of your data; and again

19   I'd like to see databases developed that have that

20   information, although I recognize that's even more

21   expensive.

22                              But a good example would be yesterday we

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1    heard about NEMS, and there's certain data that goes

2    into        NEMS,          like       RECS,      and    is    RECS   quality        data?

3    Well,            I    guess      the       question       I'd    want   to   ask      is:

4    Suppose              the       RECS     data       --    what    sort   of     overall

5    contribution of RECS to the total error produced at

6    the end-user result by NEMS -- I guess I'd want to

7    know        the        degree         to    which       RECS,   even    though      it's

8    already a three, whether it's contributing 1 percent

9    of the error, 10 percent of the error, 50 percent of

10   the error; and I'd like to bring that information up

11   front.               You know, the user that I presume needs the

12   document,              that       would       be    the      NEMS    people.        It's

13   another plug to get them to look at random error and

14   error in general.                      I guess I'd like to -- since RECS

15   is a survey, I'd kind of like to see them boot-strap

16   RECS and, for various boot-strap samples, look at

17   the        variations              in       outcomes         from    NEMS      of     key

18   quantities and, from that, get a sense of what the

19   contribution of RECS is to their uncertainty.

20                              I    think       in     discussing        reserves        this

21   morning, I must apologize for listening with one ear

22   because I was trying to think about what I was going

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1    to say, but it was pretty clear that one didn't need

2    a fancy model like NEMS to argue that the time decay

3    rate        of    reserve          estimates         was     so      sensitive         that

4    there's           all      these       incredible          decisions        that         are

5    being made that are going to incur tremendous error

6    if RECS doesn't -- if the reserves go to once every

7    two years.                Again, that's the kind of thing that I

8    think needs to find its way into metadata bases that

9    describe things like the reserve series so that it

10   doesn't escape management attention when budgets are

11   being looked at, if for no other reason.

12                           But again, as a user, not only are you

13   giving           me   a    three,        but      you're      also       giving      me      a

14   database of what other users are doing, and I think

15   that would be, you know, really valuable for me to

16   make even more sense of things.

17                           So I guess at level four, I would say if

18   a data set has been augmented by a metadata set that

19   describes                 user         requirements                 --    not          user

20   satisfaction,               because           I    don't       care       about        user

21   satisfaction as much as I care about how much --

22   well, because users are never -- it doesn't cost

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1    them             anything,       so      they're        never       going    to       be

2    satisfied.               But if I understood how much the data

3    was impacting the precision in what the user cares

4    about,            then    I'd     be     able      to    make      an   intelligent

5    decision            about       whether        it's      worth     spending       more

6    money to increase the quality of the data.                                      And I

7    just don't think that information is known at this

8    point.

9                             It says here I should pontificate, so I

10   guess I'll do that at this point.                                  It seems like

11   we're always coming back to the same issue.                                  Quality

12   gets mentioned everywhere, and quality issues are

13   just always to nest.                          It's kind of like if you

14   mention            quality       enough        times,       you've      shown     your

15   awareness of it, so you don't have to deal with it.

16     That's a little extreme, but I even saw it in the

17   AEO which I got sent a couple of days ago.                                  Right in

18   the front, there was all this preamble about how

19   important quality is and how uncertain we were about

20   certain things, and then, you know, there's all this

21   discussion out to the year 2015 that doesn't mention

22   any uncertainty the rest of the time.

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1                            So I guess I want to pontificate more on

2    the need to deal with uncertainty and to deal with

3    error and to try to be more imaginative on doing

4    that.             I     know that in the past                    --    and I think

5    statistics have come a long way on that dimension,

6    too.             It used to be the way to deal with that was

7    develop               more    complicated          models.              I   remember

8    earlier, you know, we were hearing about uncertainty

9    in NEMS, and there was a whole team trying to deal

10   with those models on an analytical level; and those

11   are hard problems -- especially when you've got a

12   black-box computer program that you're not going to

13   reopen no matter what because it runs to completion

14   without error.

15                           But    I   think      statistics              has   developed

16   techniques over the years for looking at uncertainty

17   -- things like the boot strap, things like multiple

18   imputation,               things      like       just       seat-of-the-pants-

19   perturbing parameters that basically argue there's

20   enough compute power out there.                              We can afford to

21   re-run            our    models     many      times       and         see   how    much

22   variation there is there.                        And I believe that, you

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1    know, quality ultimately has to be answered in terms

2    of how much does it impact the predictions that we

3    really care about, and my feeling is that we haven't

4    seen enough of that here.

5                            So Tim's been asking me, before I run

6    off,         what       do    I    think       I     would        like       to    see?

7    Obviously, a continuation of my discussion for next

8    time.            I think that's all I really want to say.

9                            Thank you.

10                           MR. MOUNT:        So, thank you. Samprit?

11                           MR. CHATTERJEE:              I have no wisdom, or

12   special comments to add.                           No special wisdom, but

13   just some comments to add and maybe a few questions.

14                           The first thing is I think to liven up

15   the proceeding, I disagree with Dan that quality can

16   be summed up in one number.                        You know, it's much too

17   complex           a    process     to     be    summed       up    in    a    number,

18   although I think we should, in your publication,

19   indicate              the    quality      of     the     data      which          you're

20   presenting; and from that point of view, one of the

21   points which is mentioned, which I like very much,

22   is for each data series or data surveys to present

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1    what you call a quality profile, which is a multi-

2    attribute, multi-variate characteristic which would

3    give        the   person,      the     user,       roughly        the    kind         of

4    things which they need to know in using the data

5    analysis.           And some of the points which you also

6    showed in your transparency No. 7, sampling error,

7    measurement               error,           coverage,              non-response,

8    proportion imputed and so forth, I think we'll give

9    the person using it as much information as they need

10   to know in order to use the data for the analysis.

11                       The second point which I had is among

12   the elements of data quality, I think Dan said about

13   that, too, is customer satisfaction.                               I think the

14   customer          satisfaction        is    a    function         of     the      data

15   quality.          You know, what else the customer should be

16   satisfied with if the quality of data which he or

17   she       is     getting    is    not      very     good.          So    I      think

18   elements of customer satisfaction is a function of

19   elements of data quality, and I know in that I might

20   be stepping on toes, but anyway.

21                       The    other       point      which       I    had    was         in

22   thinking about quality, if you look at a quality

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1    profile, it's not just a time -- you know, a one-

2    time thing.             I think quality can be understood if,

3    for successive rounds, successive years, see how the

4    numbers          are    changing.          It's     the       trend    in      these

5    dimensions             which    will       indicate           improvement            of

6    quality or stagnation or decrease in quality.                                   So I

7    think it's the quality measured when one point of

8    time is very meaningless, because it is -- what do

9    you call it -- a standard; and how it does is shown

10   by, I think, the trend over time.

11                          MR. MOUNT:      Bradley?

12                          MR. SKARPNESS:         You know, Dan brought up

13   many very good points about data quality and what's

14   really important, and I just wanted to reemphasize

15   that, that the biggest thing that I get in trouble

16   with with a data set is that I do an analysis and

17   then        I    find    out    later     that      I    didn't       have       some

18   critical          piece    of    information,            and    I     really         am

19   making a statement and I didn't understand the data

20   as well as I should have in the first place.                                       And

21   the reason for that is that I'm using other people's

22   data and that I have to read their documentation and

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1    depend on that; and as I delve into it more, they

2    either omitted a critical step or a critical part of

3    how they collected the data, or I wasn't informed of

4    that,            and   then         until,        you     know,       it's    too       late

5    sometimes.               And so the documentation of how the data

6    was collected and what were the circumstances in

7    those            types        of     pieces        of     information         are       real

8    critical and should be carried on here.

9                             So there was one of these                           --    is the

10   descriptive material and the quality, but I would

11   like to say, you know, not only the summary stuff,

12   but       actually            some       of    the       effort       in    things      that

13   occurred while you were collecting the data is also

14   very         important              to     try      to     understand         what        its

15   usefulness is and its consistency, too.

16                            On          another            note,         the         customer

17   satisfaction part I would break out a little bit.

18   Because you do have this data out on the Web or on

19   the Internet or in a Web site, the transportability

20   of the data becomes a real pain sometimes.                                        It costs

21   a lot of effort to get the data to us, do something

22   with it and get it into SAS, basically.

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1                        I would like people, you know, to think

2    about that part of it, and then the utility and

3    usefulness ultimately -- sort of the two extremes of

4    what you were saying.                    You've got this timeliness.

5    Get it in, but then how useful is it in trying to

6    quantify that.            That's all.

7                        MR. MOUNT:          Brenda?

8                        MS. COX:           I also wanted to comment on

9    Nancy's          paper,   which,        by    the     way,     I   thought        was

10   excellent.           Actually, I thought both papers were

11   excellent, but Nancy's I'm going to send to someone

12   at MPR because we've been trying to develop the same

13   methods.          Do you have all these in there?

14                       I think at a minimum we should at least

15   try       to     describe     the      aspect       of    quality.         You're

16   coming at it more the quality of what we're doing,

17   physically producing -- not looking at timeliness so

18   much as this product here.                     Once you finally get it,

19   what's it like?               I would say that at a minimum you

20   want to describe and quantify your quality so that

21   at       least     your      sophisticated            users,       which      would

22   include yourself, can understand the quality of what

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1    you've got.              And you've got measures here that are

2    going in that direction.                       Like the percent of data

3    that's imputed, I think at least descriptions of the

4    surveys should include things like this.

5                            Now I would say -- I've noticed this in

6    the EIA publications, too, by the way.                                    I would

7    suggest that you think about a standard outline for

8    your methodology discussions and a standard outline

9    where you actually tell people, "Here's the kind of

10   things you should be discussing."                               You should give

11   an explicit definition for your target population.

12   You should give the objectives of the survey.                                     You

13   should           tell    what      is    the    unit     from     which    you're

14   collecting data and who are they reporting for.

15                           In   the        Reserves      Program,       it    wasn't

16   totally clear to me.                      Some of those items weren't

17   totally clear to me from the discussion in the back.

18

19                           And then things like what percent of the

20   data are imputed and items like this.                              So a general

21   -- so that people actually know what they should be

22   going for would be helpful, I think.

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1                         At least, then, with measures like this

2    and a description that would let me get a feel for

3    the whole thing, then I could say, "Well, gee, I

4    felt        pretty    confident      here.          Ninety-nine     percent

5    response rate.          Great."        But then when you go in and

6    you look and you go, "Wait a minute.                        A lot of this

7    data is being estimated."                 I don't know how much, by

8    the way.         The report didn't say -- or maybe I didn't

9    look closely enough.              I will say that.            I might not

10   have looked closely enough.

11                        There's some other areas where you might

12   want to think about quality measures, like sampling

13   and       weighting.        Just      some      measures     like   design

14   effects or the design effect running away.                             Maybe

15   some clustering effects and things like that, so

16   that you get a sense of what the data are like.

17   They're more useful for us as designers and doers in

18   the sense that you look at them and we say, "Gee,

19   look at that design effect.                   Maybe you'd better look

20   a little further."

21                        I was looking at a design where they

22   were over sampling intentionally, but I got down in

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1    the cell that was defining the ultimate level of

2    over sampling -- calculated design effects running

3    away, and I was seeing design effects of nine and I

4    went "Wait a minute."                      You know exactly what that

5    means.           Bad design.        Bad design.           But those kind of

6    measures would be very helpful, I think.

7                         So that would be what I suggest is a

8    simpler technique.

9                         MR. MOUNT:            Anybody else with comments

10   from the Committee?

11                        I     wanted     to    say     that        I   was   entirely

12   persuaded by Dan, and I also started off as a major

13   skeptic about being able to come up with a measure.

14     I think that really what you've come up with is a

15   sort of categorization and that the value of this,

16   particularly             for      people         trying          to   use        data

17   electronically, of having sort of a compact summary

18   of what you can expect to be able to find about a

19   data set, I think is very valuable.

20                        However, it obviously isn't a substitute

21   for metadata itself; and I think that there, as I've

22   argued           before,    there      really       are        opportunities         to

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1    standardize                the      way      that       data         are    documented

2    electrically,               and       there        ought      to      be    much        more

3    consistency            not        just      across       different          data      sets,

4    data files, but also across federal agencies.

5                           I think that it's still early enough to

6    really           do    something             to     avoid           getting    a        very

7    fragmented way of doing this.                             So I think these are

8    very         important           things        that      are        being     discussed

9    today.           I don't know if that's going to stimulate

10   any more comments.

11                          Gordon?

12                          MR. KAUFMAN:               Well, I can't resist the

13   comment.                   In      Conan          Doyle's           "The    Hound           of

14   Baskervilles," Watson remarks that the hound did not

15   bay that night, and Holmes replies to the effect,

16   "Exactly,             my    dear       Watson.          That's        what's       really

17   important."

18                          On this issue of data quality, a key

19   dimension of data quality would seem to be to me

20   identification of what the data does not provide and

21   that's necessary to meet the objectives as to why it

22   was gathered in the first place.                              And when you begin

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1    to      think     along          those    lines,        away     from       numerical

2    measures of quality, you begin to think of scenarios

3    with which many of us are familiar.

4                          If    you     go        back   to       the     oil    and      gas

5    upstream          data,           it's        possible          to     provide          an

6    aggregated projection time series for oil and gas at

7    various          levels      that        is    extremely         timely.            It's

8    extremely accurate.                   It's consistent.                     It's got a

9    lot of continuity to it.                         The problem with it is

10   when a Senator from the Hill calls and says, "I

11   would like in two months an answer to the following

12   policy question," the data isn't there to meet that

13   customer need.

14                         What's the bottom line with respect to

15   measuring customer satisfaction?                              Some animals are

16   equals, but some are more equal than others; okay?

17   From EIA's point of view, as a legislative service

18   as well as servicing a wide domain of users, this

19   notion           of        accurate           measurement             of     consumer

20   satisfaction               for     the        purpose     of         providing        the

21   quality of the data that it provides is going to be

22   an      awfully       elusive       thing,       and      I     would       hope    that

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1    doing            quantitative       performance             measure     wouldn't

2    detract from careful attention to that dimension to

3    data quality.

4                         MR. MOUNT:         So any other final comments?

5      Any comments from the public?

6                         Dan?

7                         MR. RELLES:          Since I got hit three times

8    on short shrift of customer satisfaction, let me say

9    that I agree with everybody on that issue.                              I simply

10   was       suggesting        that     it      would     be      a   byproduct      of

11   minimizing or at least understanding the amount of

12   error that they're incurring, rather than a direct

13   goal that you can pursue, because I frankly don't

14   know how to measure it.                    I think I have a chance of

15   measuring           the     amount      of     error        that    a   user      is

16   incurring by the problems that are in the data.

17                        MR. MOUNT:           So I'd like to thank Nancy,

18   Renee and Dan for the presentations and the other

19   people who have contributed; thank EIA for being a

20   good host; and I think that we can call the meeting

21   to an end early.

22                        I would like to ask the Committee, could

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1    we meet at 12:30 p.m. for lunch?                        That gives us a

2    half an hour to check out for those who want to do

3    it and meet at 12:30 rather than 12:45 p.m.                     Is that

4    okay?

5                     (Whereupon, at 12:05 p.m., the meeting

6    was concluded.)

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