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									Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session        “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                                  June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                     Voices from Wisconsin                                                  Madison Hilton


This document contains results from a process conducted by the Department of Public Instruction (DPI) on June 22, 2006 designed
to gather input from educational organizations on the upcoming NCLB reauthorization. These results fall under five categories:
accountability, identification and sanctions, testing, teacher quality, and data collection and reporting/other. The results are listed
according to three questions that were posed to participants: What has been working so far? What are the challenges that we face
with existing law? What would you like to see changed in the law?
The first section of the document contains general themes that were synthesized from the discussions of the day. The second
section contains the detailed notes from which the common themes emerged, representing five “rounds” of conversation. This
information, along with other input sessions conducted by DPI, will be compiled into a more complete representation of Wisconsin
voices.
                                                                Emerging Themes


Topic: Accountability
                                                        What are the challenges that we face              What would you like to see changed in
     What has been working so far?
                                                                with existing law?                                     the law?
→ Disaggregating data has helped to put a great      → Disaggregating data and holding schools and       → More funding to ensure we truly can help each
  emphasis on the needs of special populations         districts accountable for the performance of        student succeed to high standards regardless of
  who are not performing well.                         subgroups has created scapegoats, blame, or         condition.
                                                       negative attitudes toward low-performing
→ Disaggregating data has assisted in advancing                                                          → Accountability should be based on more than
                                                       populations.
  new approaches and strategies in assisting all                                                           large scale state assessment and should include
  students succeed.                                  → The complex model of accountability required        formative assessments.
→ Supports data-based decision-making                  by NCLB is difficult to understand.
                                                                                                         → Recognize growth, including excellence, in
                                                     → Goal of 100% proficiency by 2013 is laudable,       making AYP determinations
                                                       but unrealistic and the formula does not
                                                       adequately recognize or give credit to growth.
                                                     → The curriculum is narrowing, and teachers are
                                                       losing their ability to be creative and
                                                       innovative, while “teaching to the test.”
                                                     → The tone of the law is negative and punitive as
                                                       opposed to providing opportunities and
                                                       support.
                                                     → Accountability based on state assessment alone
                                                       in two subject areas is not an accurate
                                                       reflection on how well the school is
                                                       performing.

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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session              “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                              June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                           Voices from Wisconsin                                               Madison Hilton

                                                                 Emerging Themes



Topic: Identification and Sanctions
                                                        What are the challenges that we face               What would you like to see changed in
      What has been working so far?
                                                                with existing law?                                      the law?
→ Identification has created a sense of urgency      → The fear of identification has resulted in a       → Create a system of identification and
  and concern.                                         narrowed focus in terms of the curriculum,           SUPPORT not identification and sanctions.
                                                       staffing decisions (loosing pupil services staff     Can we identify School Prioritized for
→ There is a recognition that some groups of
  students are not performing as well as others.       etc. to redirect time and funding toward             Assistance instead of Schools Identified for
                                                       reading and mathematics) and enrichment              Improvement?
→ School staffs are reacting to try to respond to      activities.
                                                                                                          → Create supports of adequate duration. Schools
  the areas that missed AYP.
                                                     → Subgroups that are more often represented in         should not skip in and out of eligibility for
→ Identification has resulted in increased             the achievement gap can be blamed for the            support.
  funding/support.                                     label or schools resist serving those students     → More carrot, less stick.
                                                       for fear of missing AYP.
                                                                                                          → Define school success more broadly than 4
                                                     → Even if we agree with the premise that labeling
                                                                                                            indicators, three of which are tied to test scores
                                                       and sanctions will close the gap, the federally      in 2 subjects.
                                                       mandated sanctions are not relevant to many
                                                       Wisconsin school districts. Many districts have    → Create supports for subgroups across schools
                                                       only one elementary, middle, and high school         rather than just individual schools.
                                                       so school choice is irrelevant. Rural areas and
                                                       small schools may not have enough students to
                                                       attract SES providers, limiting the choices for
                                                       those parents.
                                                     → The sanctions are uniform regardless of how
                                                       close or far away a school was to meeting
                                                       AYP. Is it really a comparable situation when
                                                       one school misses AYP for testing 94% of
                                                       students and another school has only 20%
                                                       proficiency in reading and mathematics? Why
                                                       are they treated the same?
                                                     → Identification and sanctions set the bar for
                                                       minimal performance and there is no
                                                       recognition or benefit for excellence or


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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session                “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                  June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                             Voices from Wisconsin                                   Madison Hilton

                                                                   Emerging Themes


Topic: Identification and Sanctions
                                                        What are the challenges that we face              What would you like to see changed in
     What has been working so far?
                                                                with existing law?                                     the law?
                                                            exceeding expectations. Are we seeking
                                                            success or seeking to blame?
                                                     → When a SIFI gets off the list they are no longer
                                                       eligible for support and can slip backward. A
                                                       school that never misses AYP, even if they
                                                       make it by a small margin, will never
                                                       experience added support.
                                                     → There are not enough funds to support all who
                                                       need it.




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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session              “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                          June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                           Voices from Wisconsin                                           Madison Hilton

                                                                 Emerging Themes



Topic: Teacher Quality
                                                        What are the challenges that we face             What would you like to see changed in
     What has been working so far?
                                                                with existing law?                                    the law?
→ Teacher preparation and professional               → The Praxis test for demonstrating content        → The Praxis test (content level exams) should be
  development process is working well.                 knowledge is limiting and is simply a paper        eliminated or accommodate teachers with
                                                       and pencil assessment that doesn’t recognize       special skills.
→ Wisconsin teachers are well trained and the PI
  34 certification and professional development        other critical teaching skills.                  → Expand the list of “highly qualified” school
  process ensures teachers are highly qualified.     → Rural areas face challenges finding licensed       staff to increase awareness that kids need more
                                                       teacher.                                           than teachers to succeed.
                                                     → Staffing schools with specialized needs, such
                                                       as English language learners and students with
                                                       disabilities (SwD) is difficult.
                                                     → Finding teachers with multiple certifications,
                                                       especially at the middle level, is difficult.




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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session              “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                             June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                           Voices from Wisconsin                                              Madison Hilton

                                                                 Emerging Themes



Topic: Testing
                                                        What are the challenges that we face                What would you like to see changed in
     What has been working so far?
                                                                with existing law?                                       the law?
→ State assessment data is being used to show        → Too much time and too many resources spent          → Allow states to determine what grades to test.
  trends and is being used to provide focus and        preparing and administering tests.
                                                                                                           → Require less testing in term of number of
  assist with interventions.                         → No motivation for students to do well. High           grades tested and eliminate the requirement to
→ Each child is now accounted for and all              stakes test for schools – no stakes test for          test annually.
  children are being assessed, even children with      students.
  special needs.                                     → Testing takes time away from instruction and
→ Schools are held accountable for how they            other student services.
  perform on state assessments.                      → Narrowed curriculum – too much emphasis on
                                                       mathematics and reading. Not creating a well-
                                                       rounded child.
                                                     → There has been additional stress and negative
                                                       emotional effects on children.
                                                     → Losing positions in other instructional areas, so
                                                       districts can hire more mathematics and
                                                       reading teachers.
                                                     → ELL students are being over-tested. They need
                                                       more than 3 years to become proficient in
                                                       English before they are subject to testing.




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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session              “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                        June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                           Voices from Wisconsin                                         Madison Hilton

                                                                Emerging Themes



Topic: Data Collection and Reporting/Other
                                                        What are the challenges that we face             What would you like to see changed in
      What has been working so far?
                                                                with existing law?                                    the law?
→ Data emphasis has been important and has           → The disaggregation of data is creating blame     → Require more comprehensive data collections
  made schools more data knowledgeable                 for performance to certain groups of students.     with more information
→ Looking at all students as well as subgroups is    → Finding time and resources for teachers and
  important and has brought a greater focus to         administrators to learn how to effectively use
  groups of students not performing well.              the data.
→ Data helps points out the gap and where            → Making sure that all students are achieving at
  attention should be focused                          their highest levels and using data to
                                                       accomplish this task
→ Districts and schools are using data for
  improvement                                        → Making sure that schools and district are
→ Disaggregation of data has been helpful in           aren’t doing things when reviewing data to
  focusing on the needs of English language            simply not get caught in the AYP trap
  learners and students with disabilities pointing




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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session           “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                            June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                        Voices from Wisconsin                                             Madison Hilton

                                                                 Detailed Notes



Topic: Accountability
                                                                  What are the challenges that we                   What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                     face with existing law?                          changed in the law?
                    ► A greater emphasis is being put on        ► Special populations being the                 ► Make sure that everyone has equitable
                      special populations (special needs, at-     “scapegoats”                                    funds to work with if they are to be
                      risk, “gray area” children) – shines a                                                      held to the same standard
                                                                ► Goal of 100% is not reasonable, or
                      light on kids we are not serving well       statistically possible                        ► More state control
                    ► Pushes curriculum to become more
 ROUND 1                                                        ► Identification of schools doesn’t seem fair
                      effective
                                                                  – whether you miss 1 area or 4 – you are
                    ► Teachers are being held accountable         still identified as failing
                                                                ► Goes against the fact that children
                                                                  develop at different rates, and doesn’t
                                                                  recognize growth

                    ► Forces us to look at how kids learn       ► Teachers are losing their ability to be       ► The goal should be continuous
                      differently                                 creative and are teaching to the test           improvement (growth) – and more
                    ► Makes visible the special populations –   ► Goal of 100% is not realistic                   than just reading and mathematics
                                                                                                                  (formative assessments, etc.)
                      i.e. Special Ed. (now we are held
                                                                ► Special populations being the
                      accountable)                                                                              ► More funding
 ROUND 2                                                          “scapegoats”
                    ► More programs, literacy, and funds                                                        ► There needs to be a greater
                                                                ► Where’s the accountability for character,
                                                                                                                  understanding of the law
                                                                  Social/emotional health, etc.?
                                                                                                                  communicated to the public
                                                                ► Student mobility rate (ELL) is a problem
                                                                  (MPS)

                    ► Disaggregation of data and being held     ► Emphasis on testing makes us lose sight       ► More funding to meet the requirements
                      accountable is a good thing                 of things like creativity and innovation
                                                                                                                ► More longitudinal focus, not short
 ROUND 3            ► It is good to be looking at what works    ► Losing the field studies                        term focus
                      for a broader range of students           ► Loss of critical thinking skills              ► More comprehensive approach needed
                      (mathematics)
                                                                ► Mental health issues of students impede



Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction                                                                                                      Page 7
Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session              “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                            June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                           Voices from Wisconsin                                             Madison Hilton

                                                                    Detailed Notes


Topic: Accountability
                                                                     What are the challenges that we                   What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                        face with existing law?                          changed in the law?
                                                                       success
                                                                   ► Lofty goal is good, but penalties are not
                                                                     fair

                    ► Disaggregation of data and being held        ► Negative feelings towards certain groups      ► Reduce testing
                      accountable is a good thing                    of students/special populations
                                                                                                                   ► Create usable testing – include
                    ► Makes us take a look at curriculum,          ► Tone of the law is negative and punitive        classroom assessments, formative
                      reading instruction, and research                                                              assessments, etc.
                                                                   ► Areas outside of reading and mathematics
                    ► Positive for the internal workings of          get lost                                      ► Look at growth of individual children
                      districts                                    ► Has hurt languages and children in a
                    ► Graduation objective makes us put more         global society
 ROUND 4              effort into keeping kids in school/getting
                                                                   ► Schools fear failing because of the public
                      them back in school
                                                                     perception – understanding the
                                                                     accountability model is a challenge
                                                                   ► Labeling schools as “failing” has a ripple
                                                                     effect on communities
                                                                   ► Student testing is just a “snapshot” of one
                                                                     day

                    ► Assists with longitudinal study              ► Some kids are poor test-takers – find         ► Disaggregate by gifted – a growth
                                                                     other ways to assess                            model that gives credit for movement
                    ► Supports evidence-based decision-
                                                                                                                     across the spectrum
                      making                                       ► Lack of adequate funding
                                                                                                                   ► Define what accountability is for a
                    ► ELL learners now taken as a serious          ► Sacrificing the arts to focus on reading
 ROUND 5              matter, as well as students that fall          and mathematics – narrowing the
                                                                                                                     complete child
                      through the cracks                             curriculum                                    ► AYP is different for each school
                    ► Highlights the achievement gap               ► No credit/accountability for excellence
                                                                   ► One test does not give the whole picture



Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction                                                                                                          Page 8
Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session            “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                              June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                         Voices from Wisconsin                                               Madison Hilton

                                                                  Detailed Notes



Topic: Identification and Sanctions
                                                                   What are the challenges that we                   What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                      face with existing law?                          changed in the law?
                    ► Nursing perspective – benefit because of   ► Fear of being identified has caused           ► 40 cell size needs to be revisited.
                      focus on attendance. Some districts have     schools to narrow the curriculum.
                      hired additional nursing services to
                                                                 ► Other services are cut i.e. vision
                      positively impact attendance, but once       screening, nutritional education, G&T.
                      you’re off the SIFI list the money goes
                      away and services are reduced.             ► Punishment only impacts short term.
                    ► School districts have set up study         ► No incentives for excellence.
 ROUND 1              groups to focus on improving outcomes.
                    ► Focuses the budget on strategies to
                      impact outcomes.
                    ► Supplemental funds bring temporary
                      assistance.
                    ► Lessening of compartmentalizing (can
                      help all students).

                    ► None.                                      ► Shifting of students to choice buildings –    ► Look at longitudinal interventions, not
                                                                   lack of continuity.                             short term fix.
                                                                 ► Diverts money to pay for transportation       ► Look at amount of change over time,
                                                                   and tutoring. Doesn’t seem to make              instead of static bar.
                                                                   sense, divert one pot of money to gain
                                                                                                                 ► More options for parents.
                                                                   supplemental funds.
 ROUND 2                                                         ► Public doesn’t want to see their school on
                                                                   the list – public relations nightmare.
                                                                 ► Causes finger pointing – “it’s the students
                                                                   with disabilities and ESL.”
                                                                 ► Loses the richness of courses. Resources
                                                                   going more toward academics.



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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session       “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                           June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                    Voices from Wisconsin                                            Madison Hilton

                                                             Detailed Notes


Topic: Identification and Sanctions
                                                              What are the challenges that we                  What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                 face with existing law?                         changed in the law?
                                                                Counseling services reduced and may be
                                                                what’s needed.
                                                            ► Focuses on lower achieving students and
                                                              less attention on average and high
                                                              achieving students.
                                                            ► Unrealistic to think students with low
                                                              cognitive skills will achieve proficient
                                                              AYP.
                                                            ► Differences in reporting dates and faulty
                                                              findings of missing AYP.

                    ► Concern for all students.             ► Not measuring lifelong success.              ► “Sanctions” should be a different word
                                                                                                             like “benefits” – students get the help
                    ► Goal is good.                         ► SWD & ESL students – scapegoats.
                                                                                                             they need.
                                                            ► The school will continue to go downhill
                                                              because the better students will choose to   ► Nothing in the law to enable
                                                                                                             achieving. Look at the cell – target
                                                              leave. Poor students will stay and
                                                                                                             resources, give support to improve.
                                                              continue to pull the school down. School
                                                                                                             Require improvement plan to address
                                                              teachers are going to leave poor
                                                              performing school districts.                   issues.
                                                                                                           ► Mentors.
 ROUND 3                                                    ► Focus on reading and math, less emphasis
                                                              on music. Need to focus on the whole         ► Do away with cells – count all
                                                              child.                                         students together. Compare same kids
                                                                                                             over time, not next class.
                                                            ► Eliminating programs that schools and
                                                              communities are proud of.
                                                            ► Statistically impossible to achieve. There
                                                              are some ethnic groups that don’t receive
                                                              services because of disproportionality.
                                                            ► Tutors are not highly qualified.



Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction                                                                                                 Page 10
Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session       “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                      June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                    Voices from Wisconsin                                       Madison Hilton

                                                             Detailed Notes


Topic: Identification and Sanctions
                                                              What are the challenges that we                 What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                 face with existing law?                        changed in the law?
                                                            ► Never going to meet bar because of
                                                              percentage of students in cell.
                                                            ► Going to bankrupt schools.
                                                            ► One size doesn’t fit all - school choice
                                                              doesn’t work. Urban – not safe. Rural –
                                                              not available.
                                                            ► Punitive model. Are we doing anything to
                                                              help the students in buildings/districts less
                                                              than 40 cell size?
                                                            ► Results measured are really based on the
                                                              previous year.

                    ► None.                                 ► Small classes cause greater fluctuation
                                                              year to year.
                                                            ► No choice in rural school.
                                                            ► Sanctions don’t work.
                                                            ► Neighborhood schools are important part
                                                              of community – whole community issue –
                                                              impacts the community (people will leave
 ROUND 4                                                      town).
                                                            ► Specials are cut.
                                                            ► Concentration on the negative. Rather
                                                              focus on high performing schools not
                                                              SIFI. Focus is not on the reasons why a
                                                              school is not performing, focus is
                                                              punitive.
                                                            ► Do we know the benefits of supplemental



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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session       “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                   June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                    Voices from Wisconsin                                    Madison Hilton

                                                             Detailed Notes


Topic: Identification and Sanctions
                                                              What are the challenges that we              What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                 face with existing law?                     changed in the law?
                                                                funds? Is this working?
                                                            ► Poverty issue especially in rural areas –
                                                              incentive to be identified so they get
                                                              funds.
                                                            ► Have to fail to get help
                                                            ► Not bad enough for support, so how will
                                                              they get help to become excellent?
                                                            ► Sooner or later all schools will be on the
                                                              list.
                                                            ► Supplemental funds need to be
                                                              transitioned, not removed, after hitting
                                                              AYP.

                    ► None.                                 ► Impacts only Title schools. Non title
                                                              schools are not punished/ sanctioned.
                                                            ► Why are we punishing the schools that
                                                              need the help the most (i.e. Title
                                                              schools)?
                                                            ► Hometown pride is impacted.
                                                            ► Open enrollment and shopping around –
 ROUND 5                                                      causes declining enrollment.
                                                            ► Sanctions are the same whether a small
                                                              group or large group of students are not
                                                              proficient.
                                                            ► Should be identification and assistance
                                                              instead of sanctions.
                                                            ► Doesn’t highlight successes.



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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session       “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                 June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                    Voices from Wisconsin                                  Madison Hilton

                                                             Detailed Notes


Topic: Identification and Sanctions
                                                              What are the challenges that we            What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                 face with existing law?                   changed in the law?
                                                            ► Group of students become the target /
                                                              labeled as the cause.
                                                            ► IN NEED OF ASSISTANCE (INOA)
                                                              self-fulfilling prophecy.
                                                            ► Sanctions don’t empower schools. Set up
                                                              to make sure public schools don’t work -
                                                              way to privatize.
                                                            ► Gap in appropriated funds – funds cut
                                                              (reducing other Titles).
                                                            ► Programs have been cut that we know
                                                              work (summer school, libraries).




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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session           “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                            June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                        Voices from Wisconsin                                             Madison Hilton

                                                                Detailed Notes



Topic: Testing
                                                                  What are the challenges that we                  What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                     face with existing law?                         changed in the law?
                    ► Every student is identified              ► Testing takes counselors away from their      ► Let the states decide what grades to
                                                                 work                                            test
                    ► Modifications must be made for every
                      special needs student.                   ► Time is taken away from the arts to
                                                                 prepare for testing
                    ► Testing makes the schools accountable
                                                               ► Other teaching positions are lost in order
 ROUND 1            ► Forces teachers to think of themselves
                      as “core” teachers, not just single        for school districts to hire more “core”
                      subject teachers.                          teachers.
                                                               ► It takes too long to get test results.
                    ► Useful data
                    ► Intervention for those students who      ► Pen/paper tests take too long – should be
                                                                 computerized for efficiency.
                      begin to slip through the cracks

                    ► Data – we know more about our            ► The reading reflection was not what the       ► Less testing.
                      students than we previously did.           schools were expecting (not what they
                                                                 were told to prepare for by DPI)
                    ► Its awoken a lot of people
                                                               ► Standards differ from state to state,
                    ► Shows trends
                                                                 therefore, comparing test results from
                                                                 state to state is impossible
                                                               ► Students have no motivation to score well
 ROUND 2                                                         on the tests.
                                                               ► Testing takes too much time and students
                                                                 are tested too often. Not all students need
                                                                 to be tested.
                                                               ► Too stressful for students.
                                                               ► Loss of instructional time.
                                                               ► Are GT students learning up to potential?



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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session       “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                              June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                    Voices from Wisconsin                                               Madison Hilton

                                                             Detailed Notes


Topic: Testing
                                                              What are the challenges that we                    What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                 face with existing law?                           changed in the law?
                    ► Data                                  ► Testing takes time away from other             ► Less testing
                                                              services (such as vision testing)
                                                                                                             ► ELL students need 5 to 7 years to
                                                            ► 3 years is not enough time for ELL to            master English. They should not be
                                                              become master the language and begin             forced to take standardized tests until
                                                              testing                                          they are English speakers.
 ROUND 3                                                    ► ELL students are being tested twice as
                                                              much as other students, reducing the
                                                              instructional time they need.
                                                            ► Mental/emotional effects of repeating
                                                              testing

                    ► Appreciate that tests are based on    ► Children can’t focus long enough on            ► Less testing
                      standards.                              lengthy tests.
                                                                                                             ► Scoring should also include grade
                    ► Testing provides focus.               ► Too much time and money spent on                 equivalence.
 ROUND 4                                                      preparation.
                                                            ► Do the tests truly reflect the values of our
                                                              education system?

                    ► Data                                  ► Investing too much time in testing/ losing     ► Less testing
                                                              valuable time and resources from other
 ROUND 5                                                      subject areas
                                                            ► Over testing ELL students.




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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session            “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                              June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                         Voices from Wisconsin                                               Madison Hilton

                                                                  Detailed Notes



Topic: Teacher Quality
                                                                   What are the challenges that we                   What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                      face with existing law?                          changed in the law?
                    ► High perception of highly qualified        ► Word is out re: highly qualified WI           ► Praxis test needs to be eliminated or
                      teachers                                     teachers, which prompts out-of-state            changed to accommodate more
                                                                   recruitment                                     teachers with special skills (esp. bi-
                    ► PI 34 creates a more reflective process
                      of teacher education                       ► Math curriculum has changed                     lingual)
                                                                   (particularly Middle School), creating a
                                                                   mismatch between licensing and field
                                                                 ► Praxis is concern, particularly in the area
                                                                   of bi-lingual teachers (recruitment from
 ROUND 1                                                           Mexico and Puerto Rico, but teachers
                                                                   cannot pass Praxis)
                                                                 ► Teacher perception of restriction due to
                                                                   testing pressures (more didactic, less
                                                                   creativity in instruction)
                                                                 ► Teacher pay: more requirements to get
                                                                   into field, but pay scale has not kept pace
                                                                   with increases in licensing requirements

                    ► Teachers are teaching in their trained     ► Praxis test does not reflect multi-cultural   ► Address the issues raised regarding
                      areas                                        sensitivity                                     Praxis test
                    ► Portfolio process is working well          ► Because of licensing, rural areas face        ► List of school staff defined as “highly
                    ► Districts are responding to the needs to     challenges finding licensed teachers for        qualified” needs to be expanded to
                      teachers who need extra support              specific subjects                               reflect reality.
 ROUND 2                                                         ► When districts cannot hire needed staff,
                    ► PI 34 process is producing teachers who
                                                                   test results are affected
                      are highly qualified
                                                                 ► Library Media specialists not on list of
                                                                   “highly qualified”, yet support learning
                                                                 ► Law is insulting to teachers, insinuates



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Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session        “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                             June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                     Voices from Wisconsin                                              Madison Hilton

                                                              Detailed Notes


Topic: Teacher Quality
                                                               What are the challenges that we                   What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                  face with existing law?                          changed in the law?
                                                                 that teachers won’t do their jobs without
                                                                 Federal threat.

                    ► NBPTS encouragement of teachers to     ► Challenge of teacher placement,               ► Address the multitude of speakers of
                      become nationally recognized             especially at Middle School level               languages other than English and how
                                                                                                               we will address their educational
                                                             ► Teaching native-speakers in schools (i.e.,
                                                                                                               needs with licensed teachers
                                                               Chinese, Arabic) with teachers who are
                                                               licensed                                      ► Praxis test as pencil and paper basis
                                                             ► Aligning grant programs to bring                for evaluation
                                                               language teachers into schools with
 ROUND 3                                                       licensing requirements
                                                             ► Praxis caters only to those who excel at
                                                               paper-and-pencil tests
                                                             ► Praxis test can be source of
                                                               discouragement for teachers who work
                                                               hard and do not pass (also
                                                               discouragement to field in general)

                    ► PI 34 Professional Development Plan    ► Retaining teachers in WI (recruitment by      ► Address issues raised in challenges
                      working very well                        other states)
                    ► Mentoring                              ► Mentoring (good match between teachers
                    ► Alignment of NCLB and IDEA               & mentors)
                                                             ► Praxis II- based in bureaucracy and
 ROUND 4            ► Level of professional development is
                                                               money, discourages good people from
                      much improved
                                                               entering field
                                                             ► Classroom management not addressed
                                                             ► Teacher dispositions not addressed
                                                               consistently



Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction                                                                                                    Page 17
Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session       “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                           June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                    Voices from Wisconsin                                            Madison Hilton

                                                             Detailed Notes


Topic: Teacher Quality
                                                              What are the challenges that we                 What would you like to see
                        What has been working so far?
                                                                 face with existing law?                        changed in the law?
                                                            ► Teachers required to be more specialized,
                                                              but classrooms becoming more diverse

                    ►                                       ► Challenge in rural areas finding teachers   ► Address issues raised in challenges
                                                              who are multiply certified (esp. Middle     ► Higher education teacher prep
                                                              School)
                                                                                                            programs have credentialed,
                                                            ► Higher licensing requirements keep new        experienced faculty; programs are
                                                              teachers from choosing rural areas (low       state approved and accredited by
                                                              pay, lack of social activities)               national accreditation boards to ensure
                                                                                                            high quality program standards –
                                                            ► Meeting NCLB requirements in face of
                                                                                                            graduates should not be required to
                                                              teacher shortages
                                                                                                            take a content test.
                                                            ► Include school pupil services specialists
                                                              in definition of “highly qualified”
 ROUND 5                                                    ► Addressing needs of children with serious
                                                              health needs within NCLB
                                                            ► Lack of guidelines for outside providers
                                                              of pupil services
                                                            ► Over-emphasis on teaching degrees and
                                                              didactic information, not enough on
                                                              intangible skills (parent relationships,
                                                              communication, community involvement)
                                                            ► Teacher Quality should be changed to
                                                              “School Staff Quality”




Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction                                                                                                Page 18
Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session               “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                              June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                            Voices from Wisconsin                                               Madison Hilton

                                                                     Detailed Notes



Topic: Data Collection and Reporting/Other
                                                                      What are the challenges that we                    What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                         face with existing law?                           changed in the law?
                    ► Standards create an evenness across           ► The identification of ELL and special          ► Would like to see disaggregation along
                      schools, particularly helpful for               education students has led to blaming in         urban, suburban, rural lines as well as
                      homeless students and others who                some instances                                   the other “break-outs”
                      experience multiple schools                   ► Reporting is not always linked to              ► Poverty indicator should not be based
                    ► Common definition of ELL has                    standards so little that can be done to          on self-reports to government
                      emerged and used                                really see how students are doing in             programs in that many rural residents
                    ► Emphasis on all kids has led to more            relationship to standards                        are reluctant to share that information
 ROUND 1              attention paid to students of disabilities.
                      Has led to data retreats focusing on
                      SwD and special education
                      programming
                    ► Emphasis has also resulted on ways to
                      close the discipline gap
                    ► Has raised awareness about public
                      education
                    ► Needs of ELL students are brought to          ► Disaggregation, especially along ethnicity     ► Need to be more comprehensive in the
                      the forefront and we need to be                 lines, leads to racial tensions particularly     data collection so we know more
                      accountable for them                            if it is one of the subgroups that does not      about the students who are
                    ► Know where students are progressing             meet AYP. Same thing holds true for              succeeding—are they taking arts
                      and where they are not                          ELL and SwD.                                     courses, world languages, etc.
                    ► Data is essential for growth so happy         ► Limiting of curriculum; for example, ELL       ► More explanation behind the data,
 ROUND 2                                                              students are not taking a world language         oftentimes the statements are too
                      with that but we need to make sure that
                      it isn’t punitive                               so that their English is emphasized              general
                                                                    ► Makes “illegitimate” the courses that are      ► Because the subgroup disaggregation
                                                                      not tested. These courses are seen as not        leads to tensions, need to find way so
                                                                      contributing to student achievement.             that doesn’t happen.
                                                                    ► No reward exists for moving students           ► Can’t have disaggregation lead to



Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction                                                                                                            Page 19
Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session             “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                            June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                          Voices from Wisconsin                                             Madison Hilton

                                                                   Detailed Notes


Topic: Data Collection and Reporting/Other
                                                                    What are the challenges that we                  What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                       face with existing law?                         changed in the law?
                                                                      beyond proficient, does not ask students       racism
                                                                      to go beyond and stretch themselves        ► Build disaggregation on growth
                                                                  ► Challenges in changing school attendance
                                                                    areas because “those students” aren’t
                                                                    wanted because the tests scores will be
                                                                    affected

                    ► It forced infusion of technology by         ► Loss of focus on the social-emotional        ► Remove time limits on tests
                      creating all the disaggregated categories     aspects of learning
                                                                                                                 ► 8th grade technology literacy is time
                                                                  ► Helping folks to understand that the           wasting—either get rid of it or
                                                                    process of learning is important not just      standardize it
                                                                    the score
                                                                                                                 ► Somehow take social-emotional into
                                                                  ► Best answers often come with think time        consideration
                                                                    so time limits on test should be removed
 ROUND 3                                                                                                         ► Gifted and talented students should be
                                                                  ► Disaggregation often leads to schools not      disaggregated
                                                                    wanting certain groups of students in the
                                                                    building because of impact, “don’t want
                                                                    those kids.”
                                                                  ► Getting the time for teachers and
                                                                    administrators to learn how to use the
                                                                    data

                    ► Data finally helps us to make program       ► Graduation rates are increased by            ► Add something regarding the health
                      choices                                       “dummying down” the requirements or            disparity of students
                                                                    expanding alternative program
                    ► Data retreats used a lot—WKCE                                                              ► Align performance with community
                                                                    modifications (One district had 44
 ROUND 4              information, item analysis help us to
                                                                    students graduate with regular diploma,
                                                                                                                   health agenda
                      collect additional data
                                                                    38 students under an alternative
                    ► Has made all schools and districts more       program.)
                      data knowledgeable



Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction                                                                                                       Page 20
Results of the Educational Organization Listening Session            “Conversation Café: NCLB”                                            June 22, 2006
on the Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind                         Voices from Wisconsin                                             Madison Hilton

                                                                  Detailed Notes


Topic: Data Collection and Reporting/Other
                                                                   What are the challenges that we                 What would you like to see
                       What has been working so far?
                                                                      face with existing law?                        changed in the law?
                    ► Schools go to their data far more than     ► Disaggregation points fingers
                      ever before
                                                                 ► Testing of ELL students after 3 years is
                                                                   unrealistic
                                                                 ► ACCESS is very difficult, perhaps more
                                                                   difficult because of academic language
                                                                   load

                    ► Has forced schools to look at              ► Too often placed on special education       ► Need to look at measurement of
                      performance of special education             students if a school is not doing well        improvement or decline
                      students
                                                                 ► Missing AYP because of “those students”     ► Suspension and expulsion data is
                    ► Do like being held accountable with the    ► Decrease in number of electives because       collected for IDEA, why isn’t it
                      sense that someone cares                                                                   collected for NCLB
                                                                   of focus on reading and mathematics
 ROUND 5            ► Demonstration of performance of                                                          ► Drop off of performance at high
                                                                 ► Decrease in resources
                      special education students to non-                                                         school is of great concern
                      disabled is a plus, but also is somewhat   ► What happens to gifted/talented children
                                                                                                               ► Inequities of funding
                      unfair                                       if we don’t have resources to match needs
                    ► Good to ISES/WSLN but we need to
                      make sure that people know how to use
                      the information




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