JANUARY 24-25, 2007
CROWN PLAZA HOTEL
REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or
recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any
WEDNESDAY, 24 JANUARY 2007
1.0 OPENING COMMENTS
1.1 Call to Order/Quorum Check
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson (Mark Covert).
The following representatives were in attendance and a quorum was established:
User Members Present:
Mark Covert Honeywell
David Day GE Aviation
Angel Huang Northrop Grumman
Mira Jacobs The Boeing Company
James Kernan Corpus Christi Army Depot
Caroline Osborne Rockwell Collins
Rick Ouellette The Boeing Company
Bernadette Recio Corpus Christi Army Depot
Chatt Rhodes Cessna-Textron
Zdenek Sitar Honeywell
William Solchik Rolls Royce
Michael Terry The Boeing Company
Other Participants/Members Present:
Kathy Alaniz Barry Avenue Plating
Mark Brown Braddock Metallurgical, SVM
John Cristman X-Ray Industries, Inc, SVM
Laura Curtis Barry Avenue Plating
Gary Fox EME, Inc
Susan Frailey Paulo Products, Inc.
Johanna Lisa Continental Heat Treat
Mike Park Stack Metallurgical Services
John Sattler Raytheon Aircraft Co, FAST Liaison
Stephen Spahr GE Aviation/Corbus, FAST Liaison
Yoshiomi Sukesada Asahi Kinzoku Kogyo
Jim Traverso Honeywell Aerospace, FAST Liaison
Dewey Whittaker Honeywell Aerospace, ETG Liaison
PRI Staff Present:
John Barrett PRI Staff Engineer
EJ Kegerreis PRI Staff
Rick Sovich PRI Staff Engineer
1.2 Review of agenda completed, new business identified resulted in a revised agenda that
was agreed upon.
The following items were identified as new business:
Update on Heat Treating supplier pending failure
Recognition of AS9110 (Repair and Overhaul) Quality System
AC7004 Accreditation Period Data
Standardization of Audit Reviews (WebEx)
AC7004 vs. AS9100 – Are there differences in the levels of assessment?
eAuditNet 2.0 Status
Contract Review – discussion
Failure for serious QMS issues; what is the role of AQS?
1.3 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes
Motion made and seconded to approve the previous meeting minutes as written. The
minutes from the October 2006 meeting were unanimously approved by the Task
1.4 Task Group Membership
A motion was made and approval was reached by the Task Group for the following
David Day as Vice Chair
Rick Ouellette as Secretary
Mike Terry as an alternate for Boeing member
ACTION ITEM: John Barrett to provide new officer forms for Vice Chair & Secretary for
appropriate signatures and filing. Due: 15 Feb 2007
1.5 Review Action Item List
Latest RAIL was updated and will be reviewed and updated on a monthly basis. The
RAIL is located on eAuditNet/Public Documents/Aerospace Quality Systems/Rolling
Action Item List.
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2.0 TASK GROUP TUTORIAL
A supplier tutorial was presented for new attendees.
Briefing - AQS
3.0 TASK GROUP METRICS REVIEW
AQS metrics were presented to the Task Group by PRI. Supplier Cycle time for re-
accreds is currently “Red”.
AQS Dec 07 Metrics Dec2006Nadcap
ACTION ITEM: John Barrett and Mark Covert to submit a presentation to the NMC
addressing prime support to the AQS meeting as well as informing them of the support via
email. Due: 16 April 2007
3.1 Staff Engineer Delegation Oversight Metrics
Correlation Analysis Metric has shown improvement.
4.0 QMS INTEGRATION
Upon the conclusion of the brainstorming event, categories were identified and each
Task Group member picked four (highlighted in yellow) of the nine categories that
should be prioritized. See Liaison Brainstorm for the complete list.
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Liaison Meetings were held Monday, 22 Jan, and Wednesday, 24 Jan 2007, 5:30 –
6:30 PM PST.
ACTION ITEM: John Barrett to distribute the QMS assignment sheet to the Staff Engineers
and the Task Group Chairs that have representatives assigned to them. Due Date: 15 Feb
5.0 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY
Mark Covert & David Day presented an ANOVA evaluation on variability for
auditors. Follow up analysis to be conducted during the closed session for deep dive
of data. Task Group members volunteer to continue variability assessment for three
auditors. Based on discussion and limited review conducted during the meeting, it was
the consensus that auditor inconsistencies based on number of findings requires further
investigation. The current data does not identify trends over time nor complementary
findings documented in any conjoined audits. Further investigation and discussion is
needed before actions are taken.
ACTION ITEM: Auditor data should be reviewed for trends in number of NCR’s
considering the findings in the conjoined commodity audits, trends in content of findings, and
trends in number or type of findings. Review the following auditor’s prior audits for trends
and report results at the next meeting. David Day, Rick Ouellette, and William Solchik to
report on assigned auditor. Due: 18 April 2007
6.0 DISTRIBUTOR PROGRAM SUNSET STATUS
Decision was taken at the October 2006 meeting to sunset the Distributor program
based on a decreasing utilization by suppliers and a decrease of prime endorsement
and/or mandate. Current accreditations will continue to be honored until their
expiration dates. No new audits shall be conducted.
ACTION ITEM: John Barrett to cancel existing standards and checklists for the sunset
Distributor program. Review PRI/Nadcap procedures and eAuditNet for required revisions
for Distributor program references. Due Date: 18 April 2007
THURSDAY, 25 JANUARY 2007
7.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE LEADERSHIP TEAM MEETING
John Cristman, X-Ray Industries presented the SSC summary.
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8.0 AQS POLICY DISCUSSION
The Task Group discussed the policy of approvals for extensions and acceptance of
statement of conformity for a QMS approval. Extensions are granted to align
AC7004 audits with the expiration dates of Special Process audits..
Discussed the revised NOP-002 recognizing supplier requirement to have AS9100
accreditation underway and accredited within 60 days of commodity audit. This
change was reviewed and discussed at the NMC Steering Committee.
Change to NOP-002
Criteria for audit extension, see revised attached rational and criteria. Motion to
accept revised criteria was accepted.
Proposed change for
ACTION ITEM: John Barrett to add agenda item to the July 2007 meeting for draft review
process for Staff Engineer. Due: 18 July 2007
9.0 AUDIT HANDBOOK PROPOSAL
Audit Handbook draft was presented by Zdenek Sitar and John Cristman. The
proposed handbook should provide guidance and expectation for auditors and
suppliers. The draft was reviewed and edited for technical content. The efforts of
Zdenek and John were noted by the Task Group and the results of their hard work
were appreciated by the Task Group.
ACTION ITEM: Mike Terry & Susan Frailey to review and edit the handbook draft for
grammatical syntax and distribute to the Task Group members for review prior to the next
meeting. Due: 18 April 2007
10.0 NTGOP APPENDIX 6 REVISION STATUS
The NTGOP Appendix 6 was updated based on oversight recommendations and
balloted to the AQS Task Group. During the NMC ballot, only two comments were
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received, with one being accepted and incorporated in the draft for final issuance. The
other comment will need further clarification for final acceptance.
ACTION ITEM: John Barrett to review comment for final resolution. Due: 31 Jan 2007
11.0 AQS STAFF ENGINEER SUPPORT PLAN
There is the possibility of approving additional PRI Staff Engineer support for AQS
over the next quarter. If new Staff Engineers are added, they will be assigned a
delegated Staff Engineer as a mentor. The delegated Staff Engineer will review
several audits reviewed by the new reviewer to assure the new Staff Engineer
understands Task Group expectations. An email notice shall be sent to the Task
Group prior to any audits being submitted for 100% Task Group non-delegated
12.0 AUDIT OBSERVATIONS
Discussion on how process works and what direction the oversight committee is
13.0 AUDITOR TRAINING PLAN - 2007
Lockheed Martin provided Auditor Training during the October 06 Nadcap meeting.
Although final plans have not been made for the 2007 training, it is expected that
AC7004 training will be conducted on Saturday, 20 Oct 2007. The expected duration
of the training module is two hours which shall be presented to all auditors. Volunteer
Task Group members will be required for this weekend training. AQS members are
encouraged to review their availability for this training and be ready to volunteer
during the April 2007 meeting.
ACTION ITEM: All AQS members are responsible to develop one unique draft scenario for
the October AQS Auditor Training. Scenarios should be based on the current AC7004 Rev D.
Final selection of scenarios will be based on the Top Ten findings and the Auditor Handbook
guidance. Due: 18 Apr 2007
14.0 ESSENTIAL QUALITY QUESTIONS FOR CHECKLISTS
It was agreed that the work with the liaisons will address this agenda item and that no
further discussion of this item is appropriate at this time. Liaisons shall be working on
identification of commodity questions which address Quality System requirements.
15.0 REVIEW OF NEW BUSINESS ITEMS
15.1 Review of Heat Treat Audit Failure
As a result of a decision to fail a Heat Treat Audit, the AQS Task Group agreed to
suspend an AQS approval for the same supplier. The supplier appealed the audit
failure and the Heat Treat Task Group agreed to reverse their failure decision based on
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the relevance of the submitted job audit information and related findings. AQS shall
continue to monitor this condition and shall take appropriate actions based on the final
audit disposition by the Heat Treat Task Group.
15.2 The members discussed the possibility that recognition of AS9110 MRO be acceptable
as a Nadcap QMS. The general consensus is to accept. Boeing requested that a final
decision to ballot be tabled until the April 2007 meeting. A brief survey of primes
indicated that no one anticipates suppliers with AS9120 will seek Nadcap
accreditation in the near future except for Sealant Distributors.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Ouellette to report Boeing’s position & acceptance then provide
proposed language change for NOP-002 (3.4). Due Date: 18 April 2007
15.3 Mark Covert presented a proposal for the Task Group discussion regarding
modification of the current approval period for AC7004. The attached presentation
generated much discussion. Additional pros and cons were added to the original
presentation. No decisions were reached by the Task Group. It was agreed that this
topic shall be discussed at future AQS meetings. John Barrett presented the attached
data on the actual periods between AC7004 audits. Even though the approval is
granted for 36 months, the actual periods between audits varies greatly due to
associated rules for continued quality systems approval in NOP-002.
AQS Cycle AQS Extensions AQS Cert Length
15.4 Standardization of Audit Reviews
A WebEx meeting was held on 28 Nov 2006. It was generally agreed that this meeting
was beneficial to those who attended. The teleconference provided an opportunity for
members to discuss their audit review processes and share best practices. The Task
Group consensus was to hold another WebEx/teleconference meeting on 12 Mar 07.
ACTION ITEM: John Barrett to set up a WebEx/Teleconference with AQS User members
on Monday, 12 Mar 2007, 10:00-12:00 am EST. Due: 15 Feb 2007
15.5 AC7004 vs. AS9100 – Are there differences in the levels of assessment?
Based on contributions by attending suppliers, it was determined that the requirements
and levels of assessments for AC7004 and AS9100 are appropriate. Organizations
who choose AS9100 have found it more challenging overall to demonstrate
compliance. The requirements of AC7004 in conjunction with the commodity
checklists provide a very detailed evaluation of the quality system to support Nadcap
15.6 eAuditNet 2.0 Status
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Programming for the enhanced eAuditNet 2.0 has begun. The expected roll out of this
version is end of third quarter 2007. Additional information will be shared as it is
15.7 Contract Review
The Nadcap initiative to create flowdown templates by commodity was discussed. It
was agreed that tools which may aid in completing contract review and aid in
completing flowdown of requirements for purchase will be of value. The AQS Task
Group does not plan to create a Quality System flowdown template for this project.
15.8 Failure for serious QMS issues – What is the role of AQS?
When serious issues with the Quality Management System (QMS) are identified by the
commodity Task Group, the Task Group may require an additional QMS audit as part
of the corrective action. If a weakness in the prior assessment of the QMS is identified
related to a registrar performed audit, recent changes in NOP-002 direct the special
process Task Group to notify the AQS Task Group. The AQS Task Group shall
review these issues for possible notification to the registrar or the appropriate
accreditation board to initiate corrective action.
The meeting was adjourned at 5:30 PM, Thursday, 25 Jan 2007.
Minutes prepared by:
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Rick Ouellette Richard.email@example.com
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